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Post# 1141643   2/8/2022 at 09:43 (806 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I saw this pair posted for sale in my area, asking $450 CAD. I don't know anything about them or how old they are and have asked for the model numbers. The seller claims the only reason her mother in law is selling is because she needs a stackable pair for her new laundry room and these are not stackable. She says they are in perfect running order. Is $450 a good price? Are these good machines? Can they be moved laid on their side? I'm guess the original shipping bolts are not available.

Thanks.

Gary





Post# 1141729 , Reply# 1   2/9/2022 at 07:29 (805 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Bosch Nexxt Washer And Dryer

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Those were Bosch's attempt at uber sized washing machines and dryers aimed at going after Whirlpool's Duet market.

Bosch standard sized front loading washers and dryers have a pretty decent reputation for quality and wash day performance. For USA market they ranked slightly below Miele, but above Asko and Creda, the other two European imports to USA laundry market.

Bosch Nexxt 300 washer and matching dryer could not be stacked due to washer controls being on top. IIRC release of Bosch Nexxt 500 (a redesign) solved that issue among other things.

www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin...

Introduced with much fan fare, these units didn't remain long on North American market IIRC. Just as with Miele and their uber sized units there were a number of issues that kept creeping up and causing complaints from consumers. IIRC one issue was rear bearing failure on washing machines.

Note there were two versions of these washers; Nexxt 300 and 500 series.

www.amazon.com/Bosch-Nexx...

www.manualslib.com/products/Bosc...

www.manualslib.com/products/Bosc...
applianceadvisor.com/bosch-exit-f...


Post# 1141730 , Reply# 2   2/9/2022 at 07:31 (805 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 1141740 , Reply# 3   2/9/2022 at 11:14 (805 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Launderess,

Thanks very much for the info. After doing some more research and reading a lot of reviews complaining about the washer failures, I decided to pass on purchasing even though the seller claimed they were problem free for 15 years.

Gary


Post# 1141742 , Reply# 4   2/9/2022 at 11:26 (805 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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IIRC these series were taken off the market because a new series 27 inch machines were introduced, the Bosch Vision series. The Vision models were not sold for long and were the last of the 27 inch Bosch models on the North American market.

Post# 1141750 , Reply# 5   2/9/2022 at 13:00 (805 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Both Miele and Bosch tried to enter North American market with large size washers and dryers. Both announced their machines with tons of fan fare, each also subsequently introduced successive models that dealt with issues from first incarnations.

Neither lasted very long with both Bosch and Miele pulling their large washers and dryers from North American market, and that was end of things.

This being said the new Miele W1 series have about or same capacity as the W4XXX washers IIRC.


Post# 1141783 , Reply# 6   2/9/2022 at 23:00 (804 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines)        
I think you made a good decision

A family friend had their Bosch nexxt from 2007-2021 five kids and they did at least 5 loads a day.. the dryer was more of a problem then the washer. Though they killed the pump on the washer 2 times in those years (it was their fault) they had a pretty good run with them.

I had a Bosch vision in my first condo. They were great machines, but still had a lot of kinks they could have worked out.

One thing I believe Bosch had it figured out- their baffle/waterfall design. Those paddles could get clothes wet just as fast as an LG turbo wash. I’m not sure if the compact models use that design still.


Post# 1141786 , Reply# 7   2/9/2022 at 23:13 (804 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Baffle design

Not really, the huge, slanted and curved baffles were only ever on the 27" washers.

The next gen 24" washers however started with the VarioSoft drum pattern and the matching lifters.
Those were (and still are) quite large. but not as slanted and they were assymetrical.


I would have maybe payed half the price if they were in good condition bearing wise.
You might have gotten a few more years out of them, but not 450$ worth.

The dryers were actually also launched over here but with half the heating power due to amperage constrictions.
Took ages to dry and had fairly poor airflow to get at least some heat going.




I think in general, most EU based washer makers that try to make it in the US failed becuase they didn't design with the US market in mind.

They tried to use as much of their known techniques for a washer that just dosen't work that way.
That's why there were many OOB issues, why Miele thought a washer only perfroming with a 3/4 drum was worth it etc.
Further, we just don't design dryers the same so they were pretty meh most of the time.

Today, Miele hast the OctoPlus range on their professional side of things.
AFAIK these only really got started after the US debakel and they are pretty good machines for the money.
Taking that design and altering it WAY down cost wise would probably be a way better idea than the other way around.


Post# 1141791 , Reply# 8   2/10/2022 at 00:40 (804 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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There has been much discussion about why Miele pulled their uber sized laundry appliances from North American market, thus effectively ending production since they weren't sold elsewhere IIRC.

Some defend Miele by saying 4XXX washers and matching dryers were built to commercial quality standards but after all was said and done Miele couldn't sell enough of them to make profit. That is Miele was losing money on each unit, and it wasn't about defects or whatever.

www.automaticwasher.org/c...

Miele builds and sells large washing machines for OPL, laundromats and other commercial uses in Europe and other parts of world. So idea they couldn't build something similar for North American market is a laugh. Yes, they would have to cope with our 120v/60hz power, but that is a minor issue. For problems with matching dryer Miele's defense was they hadn't built gas dryers previously. I don't believe that was wholly true, but whatever.

Miele and Bosch pulled their uber sized washers and dryers back in 2016. How long Miele USA will continue stocking parts for these orphaned appliances one does not know.

www.reviewed.com/laundry/...


Post# 1141799 , Reply# 9   2/10/2022 at 04:37 (804 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Bosch was building those larger washers here in the USA.  The redesign only lasted a year and then Bosch pulled the plug on them.

 

 

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. – (Jan. 21, 2011) – BSH Home Appliances Corporation, announced today that it will phase out sales of its 27" front load laundry products by the end of the year.

Due to this phase out, the company will close down one of the three production lines located in New Bern, NC. This closure will impact around 100 people out of the 730 employed at the facility. Employees working on the production of the 27" laundry products are anticipated to work until spring.

By exiting the 27" laundry segment, the company can turn its focus and resources to dishwashers and built-in cooking appliances in the North American Market. In the next two years, BSH plans to invest $50 million in the dishwasher business to strengthen its leadership position. In addition, the company plans to accelerate sales of its 24" laundry product line in North America.

While BSH will be phasing out sales of its 27" washer and dryers at retail by end of 2011, this phase out will not impact the service commitment for these appliances.



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Post# 1141802 , Reply# 10   2/10/2022 at 04:50 (804 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Besides Miele and Bosch, Asko was also a European manufacturer that tried selling 27 inch laundry equipment.

www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin...



Post# 1141816 , Reply# 11   2/10/2022 at 09:10 (804 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Ah yes, the Askos. We're these actually made by Asko? I think they had the Quadro Suspension... but other than that, I was always dubious about a them actually being made by Asko.

Besides the dryer, the Nexxt washer was also sold in Europe. Weirdly enough, it kept the weak 1,300 watt element but became cold-fill only. Meanwhile, the Duet remained dual-fill (hot connection being optional) and had a 2 kW heater.

Too bad the Bosch units were pulled. They had Sanitize cycles up to 170F and we're able to do profile washes. And the drum lifters were great - much better then these rope-makers in my Duet.


Post# 1141818 , Reply# 12   2/10/2022 at 10:39 (804 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Can't remember ever seeing the Askos before...
The manual hints towards some LG relationship from the cycle table.

But the manual also straight away disqualifies it: Temps are listed at under 100F for hot, warm and cold even less.


Post# 1141819 , Reply# 13   2/10/2022 at 11:01 (804 days old) by APPNUT (TX)        

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Those 100 are less temps scream LG

Post# 1141828 , Reply# 14   2/10/2022 at 13:48 (803 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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The service manual for these large Asko washers says Daewoo Electronics Corp.

Post# 1141849 , Reply# 15   2/10/2022 at 17:48 (803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Asko has been passed around so many times you don't know what you're getting anymore.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asko_Appli...

Early Asko washers developed quite a following in North America. Though not long lived and needing more repairs than Miele washers of same era, Asko did have lack of drum boot and ability to do full boil washes in their favor.

Commercial/industrial h-axis washing machines long have not used door/tub boots, and it makes sense IMHO. But Asko is only washers that made it to USA anyway on domestic side that did so.






Post# 1141871 , Reply# 16   2/11/2022 at 00:57 (803 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I looked at those Askos in the showroom in Nashville way back when....I didn't know the exact manufacturer but the label said "Made in Korea" so I swore I wouldn't buy them.  I'd already been burned by the Samsungtag!

Asko calls their bootless machines "Steel Seal"


Post# 1141878 , Reply# 17   2/11/2022 at 05:32 (803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Bosch may have hastened to pull their large front loaders from North American market due to the unfortunate tendency of Americans to commence legal action.

Like Maytag Bosch was hauled into court via class action federal lawsuit regarding so called deficiencies in their washing machines.

www.eppsteiner.com/bosch-...

topclassactions.com/lawsuit-sett...


Post# 1141880 , Reply# 18   2/11/2022 at 05:42 (803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Future member of AW!






Post# 1141881 , Reply# 19   2/11/2022 at 05:46 (803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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At least one member across the pond has Bosch uber W&D set.

www.flickr.com/photos/che...


Post# 1141962 , Reply# 20   2/12/2022 at 09:24 (802 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        

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We currently have a set of Bosch Nexxt and Vision. The Nexxt set I got new in late 06' It has never stopped. The only problem we have had with the Vision set is the motor control on the washer went bad. The Nexxt washer is the best washer I have ever had in terms of cleaning. The set in the original post appear to be one the first versions. The clue is the dryer does not have a window.

Post# 1142040 , Reply# 21   2/13/2022 at 04:39 (801 days old) by jannie123 (USA)        

Video of My Bosch Nexxt washer and dryer is really helpful for me. Thanks for sharing.

Post# 1142041 , Reply# 22   2/13/2022 at 05:18 (801 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Both Bosch and Miele entered North American market with uber sized machines that already had competition from Whirlpool and LG. Also despite their issues and perhaps bad reputation Maytag Neptune washers were in that mix as well. KitchenAid had an uber sized upscale washer and dryer on market (it didn't last long) as well.

forums.macresource.com/read.phpQ...

Out of the gate Miele was going to suffer price wise because their units were entirely built in Germany and shipped to USA. Less said about state of Miele's USA service/support network better, but suffice to say it wasn't extensive as Whirlpool, nor perhaps Bosch or LG for that matter.

Miele and Bosch understood American households wanted h-axis washing machines with greater capacity. What they perhaps got wrong was not every home had space to install large units side by side. People wanted washers and dryers that stacked. WP offered this with Duet, but neither early Bosch Next nor any of Miele 4XXX units could be stacked.




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