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Fully Automatic Impellar Tub Washer
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Post# 1141955   2/12/2022 at 08:18 (802 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Has anyone ever made a fully automatic impellar tub washer? One that fills, washes, drains and rinses? All functions except the spin of course.




Post# 1141979 , Reply# 1   2/12/2022 at 14:23 (801 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Here is an example of an automatic impellar washers, except this one spins:







I know of twin tubs, and stand alone impellar washers, but all of them are manual fill and drain, and those with an electric drain pump require the user to manually set the washer to drain.

I'm thinking of one that is fully automatic.


Post# 1141987 , Reply# 2   2/12/2022 at 17:01 (801 days old) by EEMac (Olympia, WA)        
I love those controls

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I love the simplicity of the controls on that Hotpoint!

Post# 1141988 , Reply# 3   2/12/2022 at 17:15 (801 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Thats an interesting little machine. And I agree with EEMac about the simplicity of the controls. However, I think that the user needed to use at least twice the amount of that cheap detergent or a better detergent, then I think this machine would probably do a fine job of washing.

Eddie


Post# 1141990 , Reply# 4   2/12/2022 at 17:32 (801 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
Haier

I think the little Haier apartment size impeller top load is fully automatic (single inlet valve sink hookup)I have one in the collection,but the control PCB is bad and i havn't ran it.Some on here have this machine and really liked it-split capacitor motor reverses back and forth for decently agressive wash action.

Post# 1142005 , Reply# 5   2/12/2022 at 18:38 (801 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I have a later GE version of that Hotpoint with three water levels, three cycles Regular, Delicate (shorter), and Perm Press (faux cool down with a cold spray before the agitated rinse).  They don't spin after the wash, only the final spin at the end.


Post# 1142011 , Reply# 6   2/12/2022 at 18:55 (801 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Simplicity

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I could not agree more EEMac! I love, love the washer in this video. I wish there were full size versions of this machine. From very BOLs, to TOL programmed cycle washer. 80s Hotpoint font would have made everything all the more better.

Manufacturers could easily build a machine like this today at minimal cost. They already have the wash plates, motors and drive mechanisms in place to do so. The solenoid and a brake band used on Whirlpool portables could would rid of the lid locks, and a slightly smaller impeller could remove the gears from inside the VMW mechanism. If anything reliability would go up.

@cfz2882: Can you post pics of the Haier in your collection?

You make a perfect real world example of why electronics should not be in these simple washers, or really any washer for that matter. A good Midwest timer is all you need and will last for years without trouble or none sense.

And you hit the nail on the head- people fall in love with PSC motors when they try them. They are simple, durable, economical, efficient, cool running, can be reversed/cycled many times, accelerate slowly without a clutch when putting a basket into spin, and no centrifugal switch to fail- among a laundry list of other advantages.



Post# 1142013 , Reply# 7   2/12/2022 at 19:18 (801 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
HLP 21N

Is the model of the haier washer described.Mine is in machines in need of repair storage.The PC board of the washer is like most asian washers potted in epoxy-making repairs all but impossible. several years ago,the HLP 21n sold for ~200$

Post# 1142016 , Reply# 8   2/12/2022 at 19:27 (801 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Wait- I think the HLP21N spins, no?


Without the spinner I think the cost could be brought down.



Post# 1142030 , Reply# 9   2/12/2022 at 22:53 (801 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
yes

spins quite well-basicly it is a full feature washer shrank down to (i think) 18"


Post# 1142039 , Reply# 10   2/13/2022 at 03:23 (801 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Avanti has been selling fully automatic impeller washing machines in USA for ages.





www.avantiproducts.com/pr...






Black and Decker branded machine...





Magic Chef branded...





For various reasons fully automatic top loading washing machines using impeller instead of central beater have long been popular in Asian countries. As with the GE ,Hotpoint and other sort of machines of old that landed in North American markets, most of modern offerings either come from Asia, and or are based on their designs/technology.


















Impeller washing machines long have been considered easier on laundry than using central beater. Hence reason you see such designs going back to semi-automatic washing machines. There is also by removing central beater allows greater tub capacity.

This being said at least in many parts of Asia these machines aren't without issues.

Japan and many other Asian countries laundry is done in cold water, and these washers lack heaters. Even hooking a washing machine up to tap hot water can be an issue because many laundry areas lack dual taps. Some resort to installing washer close to bathroom where hot water can (hopefully) be found.

Consequence of doing washing in cold water, and leaving lid of washer down is tendency of machines to get a whiff after awhile from being fouled by mould growing inside. Hence there is a vast and bewildering array of antibacterial/disinfecting products sold in Japan and elsewhere. These washing machine "cleaners" are meant to cope with said issues.










Post# 1142067 , Reply# 11   2/13/2022 at 11:38 (801 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Thank you for the vids! :) Never knew about the foam system, I'm glad to know it exists and gives me inspiration for a new filter flo system.

I think all those models spin as well.


Post# 1142249 , Reply# 12   2/15/2022 at 07:07 (799 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I so wish they would do that. I have a old but bullet proof 2003 G.E. Harmony washer that is still going never a problem with it

but the stupid options are madding .. If I use mixed clothes setting there is never enough water . I know this is a eco washer but how can clothes get clean if half of them are dry and don't get wet , I have found clothes at the end of the wash that has tide still on them. There is no low ,med , high water button .

I have gave up and wash everything in blankets that make the machine fill all they way up . Damn that washer is almost 20 years old it just hit me.


Post# 1142268 , Reply# 13   2/15/2022 at 15:06 (798 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Can you make a video of the GE Harmony washing on bulky?

I hear you, the touch controls ruin it. Another washer that could /should have gone with a timer dial. And a water level selector. Impellar washers are promising, but sadly to few no nonsense ones have been sold in the US.


Post# 1151276 , Reply# 14   6/16/2022 at 00:19 (678 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
I FOUND A VIDEO OF AN AUTOMATIC!

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Ok, so after months of searching I finally found a video featuring a fully automatic twin tub washer. I'm befuddled why more of these were not made, they are so cool!







Post# 1151411 , Reply# 15   6/17/2022 at 04:27 (677 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Suds galore in the last rinse and the water is far from clear. Clearly evidence that such machines are useless when they don't spin between rinses. How much more evidence do you want?

Post# 1151412 , Reply# 16   6/17/2022 at 05:00 (677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
You can keep this fully automatic twin tub

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I will stick to my manually operated one that has a superb spinner which you pretty much remove most of the detergent with the first spin, 2 rinses and a 1 deep rinse and everything is clean and it will heat the water too.

Post# 1151413 , Reply# 17   6/17/2022 at 05:07 (677 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
No mould when dried out and given a wipe.

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Post# 1151416 , Reply# 18   6/17/2022 at 07:03 (677 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Those look nice, but take extra work. I like having the ability to either walk away or watch the action on the side lines.


I will admit the rinsing isn't so great in the above vid.


Post# 1151419 , Reply# 19   6/17/2022 at 07:33 (677 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Twin Tub in pic #6

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That one is so nice looking! That would be perfect in a fully automatic version. Do have any vids of it washing?

Post# 1151429 , Reply# 20   6/17/2022 at 09:32 (677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoovermatic washing & Rinsing !!

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Hoovermatic washing & Rinsing being used by Jon Jetcone on a visit !! These do have a linked heater wash timer which is automatic then you spin out and rinse in the spinner !!






Post# 1151431 , Reply# 21   6/17/2022 at 09:39 (677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
English Electric Twintub Washing

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The English Electric Liberator twintub is based on the Hotpoint Series, again a linked heater wash timer then rinsing in the spin can !!






Post# 1151433 , Reply# 22   6/17/2022 at 09:45 (677 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Philips Twintub

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Again with linked heater / timer then manual rinsing and spinning






Post# 1151450 , Reply# 23   6/17/2022 at 12:15 (677 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Much Liked, Thank You!

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Great concept, needs to be mad more automatic on both sides.

I love the 100Hz hum in the second video.





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