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Thread Number: 89605
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
3 Speed Hotpoint Washer? |
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Post# 1141983 2/12/2022 at 15:36 (803 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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I came across this picture in another thread and I noticed Handwash and Delicate are two distinct selections.
I'm guessing: Normal= fast/fast Permanent Press= fast/slow Wool/Knits= slow/fast Delicate=slow/slow Handwash= (?) extra slow (?)/slow Does this mean this washer had a 3 speed clutch? Or some type of SIS slow agitation? GE never used multi speed motors in their washers, right? How does handwash differ from delicate? | ||
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Post# 1141986 , Reply# 1 2/12/2022 at 16:37 (803 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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interesting I've never seen a 3-speed hotpoint, let alone a 3-speed GE filter-flo. | ||
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Post# 1141999 , Reply# 2 2/12/2022 at 18:26 (803 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142001 , Reply# 3 2/12/2022 at 18:30 (803 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1142004 , Reply# 4 2/12/2022 at 18:34 (803 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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HandWash Indicator | ||
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Post# 1142006 , Reply# 5 2/12/2022 at 18:42 (803 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142021 , Reply# 6 2/12/2022 at 19:56 (803 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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I'm wondering just as much as you. This is one reason I wish tech sheet databases were online free of charge. Whirlpool's used to be publicly available until 2007/2008 on their service matter's site. I know GE customer reps can pull up any tech sheet and associated revisions with just the model number at their computer going back to about 1970. They have them as scanned volume book sets. What I would give to have access to one of their offices with several external hardrives lol.
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Post# 1142043 , Reply# 7 2/13/2022 at 06:46 (803 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Hmm
Interesting that it is badged as a “multi-speed washer” though. Makes me wonder if they paired a two-speed clutch with a two speed motor or something like that. Pretty sure the multi-speed clutches were rather brief in their production due to being problematic.
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Post# 1142048 , Reply# 8 2/13/2022 at 09:14 (803 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142060 , Reply# 9 2/13/2022 at 11:19 (803 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 1142077 , Reply# 10 2/13/2022 at 12:10 (802 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
I agree with Glenn about the marketing. By the time this washer was built there were only one and two speed clutches with single speed motors on these machines. The multi speed clutches and variable speed machines were not made for too many years.
I know whirlpool was using speech like this on direct drive machines. A one speed would state multiple combinations even though it was a single speed. Pulse agitation was considered a speed. | ||
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Post# 1142079 , Reply# 11 2/13/2022 at 12:33 (802 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1142160 , Reply# 12 2/14/2022 at 11:10 (802 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Thing is that pulsing really isn't the same as a lower speed. Especially with fragile items - like knits or thin synthetic curtains - the higher speed still is problematic as it can be to forceful and stretch things. | ||
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Post# 1142163 , Reply# 13 2/14/2022 at 11:34 (801 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142166 , Reply# 14 2/14/2022 at 13:07 (801 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 1142170 , Reply# 15 2/14/2022 at 13:47 (801 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Multi speed Ge Filter Flow washers GE of course from the mid 50s made one and two speed washing machines, then in the mid 60s they introduced a four speed clutch on the Filter Flow washers.
the Four-speed clutch either allowed you to have four or three agitation speeds depending on the model the machine, even though the three speed models really had four speeds but you couldn’t utilize them.
Around 1968 when electronic technology advanced GE had a variable speed clutch but didn’t really offer any virtue over three or four speeds so that didn’t last long,
several other manufacturers tried infinite speed agitation and it was also a total bust there was no advantage and therefore no great sales.
I don’t think it’s been established that the Hotpoint in question in this thread has intermittent agitation the setting on this machine might just be a silly duplicate setting.
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Post# 1142175 , Reply# 16 2/14/2022 at 14:43 (801 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 1142181 , Reply# 17 2/14/2022 at 15:22 (801 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142198 , Reply# 19 2/14/2022 at 17:47 (801 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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A particular 1978 Kenmore model that I had, refurbed and sold, has five Fabricare heat choices -- Cotton/Sturdy, Permanent Press, Touch Up, Knit, Delicate. It has one heating element. Two bimetal temperature thermostats of 150°F (high) and 140°F (low). I would have figured 155°F and 135°F but looking up the original part numbers indicates 150°F (65.5°C) and 140°F (60°C). Cotton/Sturdy, Permanent Press, and Touch Up are high. Knit and Delicate are low. | ||
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Post# 1142229 , Reply# 20 2/15/2022 at 02:31 (801 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Dryer Temps With A Single Heater
I have to disagree on this one. The water in the fabric prevents the fabric itself from overheating, regardless of the input power. As the fabric loses moisture, it begins to steadily heat up, and the remaining water which evaporates out of it becomes gradually hotter. This is reflected on the exhaust temperature to the extent delicate drops the heater at a lower exhaust temperature, while normal drops the heater at a higher temperature. In simple terms the exhaust temperature is always equal to the fabric temperature.
I know this because I've used Whirlpool based dryers for 15 years now. Delicate really is delicate, medium really is medium, and high really does the clothes very, very hot. The fabric temperature before cool down, even when the time dry cycle has been reset, always reflects the temperature knob no matter the fabric inside. Same for the door, the door is warm during delicate heat, painfully hot on high heat. In fact, whether or not the dryer is overloaded with towels or has only a few delicate items the heater does not shut off at all for the first 10 - 40 minutes of drying- with larger loads taking longer for the heater to turn off. Only when the fabric gets to very roughly 35% moisture does the heater finally turn off. It comes back on soon though. As the clothes get dryer the heater on time steadily decreases, while the heater off time increases. This is how/why auto dry works, in that the timer does not advance until the exhaust temps open the cycling stat, indicating the load is close to being finished. The more time the cycling stat spends open, the less moisture there is the fabric to keep exhaust temps down. GE dryers are another story, and a perfect example of GE being to smart for their own good. GE advertising brags how GE dryers do not yo-yo their temps as much as competitors but it does nothing to increase performance or fabric care. I had a GE dryer, my opinion of it is about that of its companion washer. It had two heaters, and upon starting the cycle the drum inlet thermostat would remove the first heater abut 5 minutes into the drying. This left only one heater, which greatly increased drying time as less BTUs was being put into the drum. | ||
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Post# 1142248 , Reply# 21 2/15/2022 at 07:04 (801 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1142254 , Reply# 22 2/15/2022 at 09:42 (801 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Like the GE dryers…
Honestly, no difference between the top two buttons. Both high heat. Both function the same no matter where you set the time.
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Post# 1142262 , Reply# 23 2/15/2022 at 13:15 (800 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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@Dadoes, I know :) I was referring to Henene's reply that a dryer must have two heaters not to scorch items. Whirlpool dryers have one heater, with a high inlet temp, but IMO have the best fabric care in the world. The more I look at dryers, the most I like Whirlpool, by far.
Regarding the washer my vote is that the Handwash setting is simply an identical slow/slow setting with the user needing to pull out the normal agi when doing handwash items. | ||
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