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Thread Number: 90507
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Kenmore Top Loader? |
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| Post# 1150367 6/5/2022 at 21:05 (690 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
I may be picking up this machine. I know this type of washer has different operation versus the Kenmore with the more round knobs. Does this version do the permanent press with a partial neutral drain? If so, what is the purpose of this. I believe it does the cycle, drains partially, then adds new water, agitates, then fully drains. Why does the "Normal" cycle say "cold rinse only". Can fast agitation be done on the small water level?
Last, does anyone know when this machine was made? I am waiting for the serial number. Thanks! ibb.co/BsWHQ60...
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Post# 1150375 , Reply# 1 6/5/2022 at 22:12 (690 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 It's a direct-drive and operates prit'much like all of them in that respect. Normal cycle forcing a cold rinse regardless of the temperature knob setting is an energy-saving thing. The Normal and Perm Press cycles presumably do a speed shift to low at 6 mins regardless of the water level, being labeled as Gentle at that point. The designated Heavy Duty cycle presumably runs at high speed for the entire wash period. Permanent Press cool down is to help avoid set-in wrinkles that may occur when such treated or synthetic garments are spun when warm or hot immediately after the wash period. It's useful primarily when line-drying, being that the heated air and cool down of tumble drying has an effect of shedding and avoiding wrinkles. There appears to be a Pause tag at the point in Perm Press at which the motor turns off for the remainder of the two-mins drain period after the partial-drain is achieved, so presumably it does perform the cool down process. | ||
| Post# 1150397 , Reply# 3 6/6/2022 at 06:43 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150399 , Reply# 4 6/6/2022 at 07:33 (689 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ) |
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My sister has this exact washer and matching dryer, and I was just using it this weekend. You can get a fast agitate on any water level setting by using the "heavy duty" cycle.
You can get a warm rinse on normal or heavy duty but not on perm press. I'm not sure about the neutral drain on Perm press but I think it does. Hers were purchased in 1995. | ||
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Post# 1150400 , Reply# 5 6/6/2022 at 07:38 (689 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1150406 , Reply# 6 6/6/2022 at 08:48 (689 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Also, how do I get it to wash on a slow/fast and use the warm rinse?If you're referring to slow agitation and fast spin through the entire cycle with a warm rinse, that may not be possible without some dial-pushing unless Perm Press does a fast spin instead of slow and does not override the selected rinse temp to cold (as permanent press fabrics need). My guess is Normal does slow agitation for the last 6 mins of the wash period but fast agitation for the rinse, and the rinse is always cold. Heavy Duty can do a warm rinse but presumably runs fast agitation for the full wash time (and rinse). | ||
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Post# 1150419 , Reply# 7 6/6/2022 at 11:00 (689 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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My advice to you is to keep looking for a direct drive Kenmore that has an actual speed control knob rather than have the speeds fully controlled by the timer. The least expensive with the speed knob had 4 combinations Heavy Duty (fast/fast); Normal (slow agitate fast spin) delicates would be slow/slow and hang dry would be normal agitate slow spin. Those models have two additional auxilliary knobs--for auto 2nd rinse and speed control--usually labeled as fabric care.
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| Post# 1150428 , Reply# 8 6/6/2022 at 15:37 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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So even though on the dial it says "cold rinse only" for Normal, you're saying it can still do warm/warm? Is it a true warm rinse that lets in 50% cold, 50% hot? or 60/40? Appnut I already have a Kenmore 80 Series from 2000 with the speed control knob, so I don't mind this. I understand that excessive wear on clothing came from those who did not know how to properly load the machine. I don't think I'll have any issues. Do you know how old this machine is? Also, if I set the timer to 6 minutes on Normal, that is labeled "gentle" so would that indicate slow/slow? | ||
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Post# 1150434 , Reply# 9 6/6/2022 at 16:33 (689 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Matt, this machine is from the mid-1990s. I had friends from church who had the next model up that had a knob for extra rinse on/off. And I was at their house numerous times in 1997 & 1998, even while they were doing laundry and was the first time I'd encoubntered a machine like this. The cold rinse only on Normal is by design and cannot be altered. Every time I was there, they always used Perm Press. It had a gentle agitation for rinse also. Reminded me of former neighbors when I was growing up that got a 1967 Whirlpool set that as next to TOL. On Perm Press/Wash'n'Wear it shifted to gentle agitation at the 6 minute mark. It also did a gentle agitation rinse.
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Post# 1150435 , Reply# 10 6/6/2022 at 16:35 (689 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1150437 , Reply# 11 6/6/2022 at 16:54 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Thank you guys for the replies. The seller just through this machine out there. It's a Kenmore Elite. Seems fully loaded with the blue plastic still on it. Thoughts on this one compared to the original one?
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Post# 1150438 , Reply# 12 6/6/2022 at 17:32 (689 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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This model should give you complete control to do prit'much whatever you want (except not Ex Slow agitate with Fast spin). The separate speed control provides: Hang Dry = Fast (180 spm) agitate, Slow spin Heavy Duty = Fast agitate, Fast spin Normal = Slow (120 spm) agitate, Fast spin Delicate = Slow agitate, Slow spin Handwash / Casual = Extra Slow (90 spm) agitate, Slow spin Handwash Plus / Fine Delicates = Intermittent Extra Slow agitate, Slow spin It does not reduce agitation speed during the wash period, maintains the selected speed for the duration. It runs the same speed for rinse agitation as wash agitation. Water level selection has no effect on speed. Spin speed follows the speed control for all cycles, so Fast spin can be hand on Perm Press if desired. Permanent Press II has a one-stage cool down. The water valve is probably a 40% hot / 60% cold mix for warm. The two 100°F ATC Warm wash choices will alternate between warm and hot to moderate the temperature if necessary to average-out to the 100°F. My mother is using a similar model, that's what it does. ATC 70°F Cold wash should alternate some warm with the cold flow if needed. ATC 75°F Warm rinse presumably alternates some cold with warm. There's a small circuit board inside the console that runs the ATC in response to a temp sensor located in the water flow path after the valve but before the spray flume. The four non-ATC choices of course provide full-hot, full cold, or hot+cold at the valve mixing proportion. | ||
| Post# 1150439 , Reply# 13 6/6/2022 at 17:43 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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DADoES
Thank you for your insight on that machine. Can you please explain how this machine differs from the first machine I listed in regards to permanent press?
My assumption was the first model I listed does slow agitation, partial neutral drain, pause, re fill, agitate, then drain. What is Permanent Press II? I think my current Kenmore has "Permanent Press I" | ||
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Post# 1150441 , Reply# 14 6/6/2022 at 18:08 (689 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Ultra Clean is the Normal cycle. Either Ultra Clean or Perm Press can be used for delicates, accordingly to the speed selection. The Soak cycle fills, agitates 4 mins, then shuts off without draining to soak for however long is desired. Reset the timer to a Spin position to neutral-drain the soak water (reset to spin again when it shuts off after draining if you want to spin the load before washing). Then reset again to run a full wash/rinse cycle. The Prewash cycle runs a 4-min wash, drain, spin, and shuts off. Reset to run a full wash/rinse. Permanent Press I probably runs a spray in the first spin as a cool down. Permanent Press II is more deluxe with a partial-drain, refill, and agitate for cool down, which is a more traditional Perm Press treatment. The partial-drain is to the point that the water level pressure switch resets. ALL the drains, of course, should be neutral, unless the neutral drain pak in the transmission is worn and not functioning properly. Your first machine of consideration above is before there were Perm Press I and Perm Press II variations so it should be the same as Perm Press II. This machine with the blue film on the panel may not run any sprays in the first spin on any cycle. It should do a couple sprays in the spin after rinse (not in the spin after 2nd rinse). However, the text along bottom edge of the console references Ultra Rinse System so it possibly does first spin sprays. The one my mother is using (a 1999 model) does not say Ultra Rinse System and does not have first-spin sprays. | ||
| Post# 1150442 , Reply# 15 6/6/2022 at 18:14 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150443 , Reply# 16 6/6/2022 at 18:57 (689 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1150451 , Reply# 17 6/6/2022 at 20:27 (689 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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King Size Capacity | ||
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Post# 1150455 , Reply# 18 6/6/2022 at 20:58 (689 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Reply # 17 Same tub size, these TL washers are not great for washing king sized comforters unless they are pretty thin, only a large FL washer is good for such items.
These later DD washers may use a 70/30% inlet valve where 70% water flow is cold, this is what SQ and others used in later TL machines to conserve hot water.
There is absolutely no good reason to ever use a warm rinse in any washer, it just promotes mold and bacteria growth in the washer and your clean clothing to say nothing of the damage of using more than 10 gallons of extra hot water per load does to the planet.
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| Post# 1150471 , Reply# 19 6/7/2022 at 07:24 (688 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Thank you for your input. Do you know why they advertised these as having King Size Capacity then? Are there any advantages over the other tub?
I also enjoy having a warm rinse option available, even though, from everything I have read, it's not very beneficial with today's detergent. I do feel it rinses better because the scent is nearly gone when I pull the laundry out of the wash. | ||
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Post# 1150477 , Reply# 20 6/7/2022 at 10:04 (688 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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King Size Capacity is partly a marketing term, and may be partly features if the machine has a Triple Action agitator on which the auger is spring-loaded to lift itself slightly upwards and press down on the load for helping promote rollover. The effect during agitation doesn't trigger unless the load is very large to provide enough resistance. You can determine if it's a Triple Action agitator by pulling upwards on the auger to feel the spring resistance. Some models have Triple Action Agitator descriptive text on the agitator cap. This video on how to remove/replace the auger shows the spring mechanism. This video (which is not mine) shows the vertical "triple" action with a set of king-size sheets and a king-size blanket. Watch closely, it's subtle. Easier to see at full-screen on a computer monitor than on a little phone. Many people probably would say the machine is overloaded but it's not. | ||
| Post# 1150506 , Reply# 21 6/7/2022 at 18:20 (688 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1150627 , Reply# 22 6/9/2022 at 06:06 (687 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150640 , Reply# 23 6/9/2022 at 09:22 (686 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Timed bleach, probably not but need a photo with the lid open, or the model number to be 100% sure. The temporary/manual lid switch bypass depends whether it's plunger-style (poke a finger, stick, straw, pencil, etc. into the plunger hole) or hinge-style (unscrew the lid hinge on whichever side, loosen it from the lid and turn it down as if the lid is closed). A more permanent solution either way is splice the wires together. Or place a jumper across the connection plug instead of cutting the wires, but full motor current passes through it so that isn't the best method. | ||
| Post# 1150642 , Reply# 24 6/9/2022 at 09:34 (686 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Bleach Dispenser | ||
| Post# 1150704 , Reply# 25 6/9/2022 at 16:12 (686 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Model Number
Here is the model number. The selling is going to completely recondition the machine. Replace the neutral drain kit, suspension, and clutch.
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Post# 1150725 , Reply# 26 6/9/2022 at 18:28 (686 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Parts diagrams shows it has a timed bleach dispenser of a design that wasn't used for long. I've not run across a machine with this dispenser design or seen one operate so my assumptions on how it operates are by observation of the design. A reservoir with a valve operated by a wax motor is incorporated into the tub ring. The funnel immediately drains into the reservoir with the bleach presumably held there until the wax motor opens the valve during the wash period at which point it releases into the outer tub for mixing into the load. That's assuming wax motor still works and/or the tub ring hasn't been changed to a different style or any other related modifications. Serial CM3246395 = factory production August 5-9 of 2002. | ||
| Post# 1150731 , Reply# 27 6/9/2022 at 19:32 (686 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150735 , Reply# 28 6/9/2022 at 20:44 (686 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1150749 , Reply# 29 6/9/2022 at 21:59 (686 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1150783 , Reply# 30 6/10/2022 at 06:17 (686 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150804 , Reply# 31 6/10/2022 at 14:41 (685 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Tech Sheet
Should be able to be pulled up by a registered service tech. Can anyone help?
Typically unless a user has trouble with their machine and asks for the wiring diagram on a forum linked to Google, they are hard to come by, as unfair as it is. The machine in question is not rare, in fact these tend to show up more than BOL machines in seller listings. As with anything Kenmore, you're buying the creme de la creme of a Whirlpool product, and one of the best overall washer line ups ever made. No better balance of clean-ability, flexibility, longevity, durability, clothing care and servicability has ever been offered for the price IMO. I wouldn't hesitate as this machine has all the legit features and combinations a user could ask for. | ||
| Post# 1150808 , Reply# 32 6/10/2022 at 15:54 (685 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150809 , Reply# 33 6/10/2022 at 16:00 (685 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1150812 , Reply# 34 6/10/2022 at 16:32 (685 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1150817 , Reply# 35 6/10/2022 at 17:26 (685 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150819 , Reply# 36 6/10/2022 at 18:59 (685 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Nice! Can you post or link to the cycle sheet?
(The ones I've seen for EM Kenmore Elites are relatively simple for all the cycle options, a big plus in dependability and repair) I personally would not worry about having a 75*F rinse. IMO, no enhanced rinsing is gained at 100*F vs 75*F. Both temps relax the fabric and will dilute away detergent. The whole idea of an ATS warm rinse is to allow the user the option of not having to rinse clothes in stone cold water during the winter while saving energy over an unregulated warm fill which can get quite warm in the summer even with a 30/70 water valve. I say this on experience, 65*F cold water and 150*F hot warm makes for a strong warm. Hot/Warm- I hear you! I wish all washers could have this feature. Sadly not so. If you really wanted it I guess you could tinker with the fill circuit and set something up as previous generations of Kenmores offered hot/warm. | ||
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Post# 1150822 , Reply# 37 6/10/2022 at 19:14 (685 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1150823 , Reply# 38 6/10/2022 at 19:25 (685 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Thank you for the info on the warm rinse. I guess 75*F is sufficient. So if warmer water relaxes the fabric, then why isn't' this option widely available on today's machines? I live in the Midwest where the winters are extremely cold and the incoming water is between 42-50 in the dead of winter. How do these new machines wash out detergent residue in cold climates?
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Post# 1150853 , Reply# 39 6/11/2022 at 10:55 (684 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Graphic quality of the tech sheet is not the best and it's too large for full view in one image. The bleach valve (wax motor) is energized through the wash drain period, total 4 increments on Ultra Clean, 3 increments on PP. There are sprays in the first and second spin on both cycles. Not in the Extra Rinse spin. Dry Agitate at the last 2-mins of the wash period on Ultra Clean facilitates agitation and neutral drain testing without water. The lid switch is in the circuit at that point. Also an editing/typing tip: A ° symbol can be had via [Alt]248 (using the number pad for the digits) on a computer keyboard, and an iPhone (maybe others) via press-hold 0 (zero) for extended character choices. | ||
| Post# 1150855 , Reply# 40 6/11/2022 at 11:02 (684 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1150975 , Reply# 41 6/13/2022 at 04:54 (683 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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| Post# 1150985 , Reply# 42 6/13/2022 at 08:43 (682 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
A simple solution to getting a hot/warm or hot/cold combination on a machine that won't allow it is to do what my mother does... set the control for warm/warm or warm/cold, then turn off the cold water valve while the washer is filling for the wash cycle. Or you can adjust the warm water temperature to whatever you like by only opening the cold water valve partially. Make sure to turn it back on fully after the wash fill is completed or you will end up with a hot rinse. Of course this might not be possible or inconvenient if the water valves are not easily accessible.
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| Post# 1150998 , Reply# 43 6/13/2022 at 14:21 (682 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Well if you set to warm/cold and turn off the cold water nothing would even come out during the rinse cycle because the machine isn’t designed to allow anything but cold in. Now if you selected warm/warm and did this you would get hot water for rinse. Unless you limited the cold water valve.
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Post# 1151027 , Reply# 44 6/13/2022 at 21:12 (682 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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If I had this washer... I would use the heavy duty cycle all the time as I have mostly cotton fabrics. They're all sturdy. | ||
| Post# 1151028 , Reply# 45 6/13/2022 at 21:16 (682 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Fast/Fast vs Sow/Fast
The way I think of Kenmore/Whirlpool DD washers is that they are the only washer ever made with an actual Heavy Duty cycle. 10 minutes of slow agitation provides about the same fabric wear and tear as 10 minutes of high speed agitation on other top load washers.
I know of single speed washers (like GE for example) that put the delicate cycle on on the high speed permanent press cycle, where as nearly all 2 speed Whirlpool washers switched to some combination of low speed agitation on the normal cycle several years after the first DDs came out. I do not recall Whirlpool ever placing delicate on a continuous high speed cycle, and the very few in existence single speed Whirlpool made washers that did have "delicate" on the knob used short 5-10 second bursts of agitation. When shopping at Sears the salesmen would always tell me to go with a 2 speed washer as the single speed versions "chewed up" the clothes. In short slow speed agitation is normal speed agitation and ex slow tends to be closer to that of delicate when using a DD machine. | ||
| Post# 1151660 , Reply# 48 6/19/2022 at 09:58 (676 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Kenmore Elite Restoration
So I wanted to share some pictures of the Kenmore Elite's restoration thus far. The seller has painted the cabinet, changed the motor coupler, replaced the entire suspension system, replaced the clutch, and changed out the neutral drain kit. Here are some pictures.
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| Post# 1151662 , Reply# 49 6/19/2022 at 09:58 (676 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1151667 , Reply# 51 6/19/2022 at 10:25 (676 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1151825 , Reply# 52 6/20/2022 at 17:57 (675 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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So the seller is nearly done with restoring the Kenmore. He is noting that the machine is wobbling (as he put it) during spin. He has it on a concrete floor. He has replaced nearly every major component in this machine, including the suspension system. He is wanting to swap out the counter balance ring and replace all four 4 leveling legs. Given that the suspension system is new, what could be causing this issue?
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Post# 1151829 , Reply# 53 6/20/2022 at 18:16 (675 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WP- KM DD tub wobble when spinning Some Tub wobble is normal with no clothing at normal spin speed.
Check to see if balance ring is 50% full of water, remove cabinet and tub cover and lay machine on its side, with a bright light it should be about 1/2 full.
Very unlikely that anything is wrong with the feet unless you can see any damage.
How much experience does this person have working on DD washers ?
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| Post# 1151835 , Reply# 54 6/20/2022 at 19:00 (675 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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He suggested the counter balance ring being the culprit right away. He told me he has been working on direct drive washers for over 20 years. I've seen his work and he does a great job.
I never knew the counter balance ring could go bad. So they're suppose to have 50% water inside there? If that's the case, doesn't it dry up over time? | ||
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Post# 1151836 , Reply# 55 6/20/2022 at 19:29 (675 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1151841 , Reply# 56 6/20/2022 at 19:50 (675 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1151886 , Reply# 64 6/21/2022 at 08:27 (674 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1151901 , Reply# 68 6/21/2022 at 10:13 (674 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Length of pause was different based upon timer. For my 1986 LK, the pause length was long enough for the motor to pause as the timer advanced the incremet for drain to spin and was just 3-5 second at most. My parnter has a 2010, 2011 DD Estate or Admiral. Its timer sequence was much longer. More like a 15-30 second pause at the end of the drain increment and timer advancing to spin. First couple of times I observed that I was really shocked.
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| Post# 1151923 , Reply# 69 6/21/2022 at 14:56 (674 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152400 , Reply# 74 6/25/2022 at 10:15 (670 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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So I got the machine. Only issue is when the tub comes to a stop it makes a loud banging noise. Machine is level.
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| Post# 1152401 , Reply# 75 6/25/2022 at 10:19 (670 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152415 , Reply# 78 6/25/2022 at 12:25 (670 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152417 , Reply# 79 6/25/2022 at 12:40 (670 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1152446 , Reply# 80 6/25/2022 at 18:06 (670 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 1152449 , Reply# 81 6/25/2022 at 18:29 (670 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152535 , Reply# 82 6/26/2022 at 15:56 (669 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1152544 , Reply# 83 6/26/2022 at 18:36 (669 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1152549 , Reply# 84 6/26/2022 at 19:05 (669 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152707 , Reply# 85 6/28/2022 at 09:26 (667 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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@DADoES
Is it normal for the tub to be not centered. The water spout definitely ins't aligned.
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Post# 1152710 , Reply# 86 6/28/2022 at 09:50 (667 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Water Inlet On A DD Washer | ||
| Post# 1152712 , Reply# 87 6/28/2022 at 10:33 (667 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1152723 , Reply# 88 6/28/2022 at 12:34 (667 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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That's a photo of spin, so no way to determine how much of the skew is related to the spin oscillations that normally occur. How does it sit during agitation? Or after braking when spin is stopped? (a bit of skew may occur then depending on aggressiveness of the braking) A factor that could come into play on tub lean is if the wrong motor counterbalance spring is installed. There are three choices identified by a swipe of color (blue, green, or none) to match the stripe colors on the motor's label. Your service guy surely is aware of that. | ||
| Post# 1152724 , Reply# 89 6/28/2022 at 13:05 (667 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Here is the picture after the tub stopped spinning. The motor counterbalance spring installed is this one show here: (Red)
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Post# 1152732 , Reply# 90 6/28/2022 at 14:40 (667 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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That tracks as correct per parts listings. There's also a kit P/N 285901 that includes the choice of three springs | ||
| Post# 1152733 , Reply# 91 6/28/2022 at 14:44 (667 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152851 , Reply# 92 6/29/2022 at 14:34 (666 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Is it normal for these Triple Action Agitators to wobble and splash out softener? I don't recall the dual action one doing this.
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Post# 1152871 , Reply# 93 6/29/2022 at 17:39 (666 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1152873 , Reply# 94 6/29/2022 at 17:46 (666 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1152897 , Reply# 95 6/29/2022 at 21:03 (666 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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It's not unusual for an auger to wobble a bit, I've seen them looser than that. I've not had hands-on use of that style dispenser so the splashing, which isn't to the extent that a lot of softener is wasted, may be a characteristic of it. Just to say, fast agitation is unnecessarily aggressive for that load. :-) The degree (LOL) of cooling depends to a degree (LOL again) on the temperature of the tap-cold water supply. The pause isn't a functional part of the cool down process. It's to run out the remainder of the two-minute timer drain increment after the water level pressure switch resets (which is what turns off the motor for the partial drain). | ||
| Post# 1152900 , Reply# 96 6/29/2022 at 21:14 (666 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1152907 , Reply# 97 6/29/2022 at 22:27 (666 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1152912 , Reply# 98 6/29/2022 at 22:36 (666 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1152915 , Reply# 99 6/29/2022 at 23:14 (666 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
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| Post# 1152916 , Reply# 100 6/29/2022 at 23:19 (666 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1152918 , Reply# 101 6/29/2022 at 23:33 (666 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The cycle sequence chart posted above shows that the bleach wax motor is active in the Ultra Clean/Normal cycle at 6 mins of wash through the drain increment, total of 8 mins. Total 6 mins on Perm Press, at 4 mins of wash through the cool down drain increment. Wax motors of course are slower to actuate than solenoids. | ||
| Post# 1152928 , Reply# 102 6/30/2022 at 05:23 (666 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1152958 , Reply# 103 6/30/2022 at 15:17 (665 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1153027 , Reply# 104 7/1/2022 at 11:57 (664 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The momentary burst of water when the cool down drain ended is probably related to how the water level switch contacts transition from full state to empty state. Direct-drive operational sounds ... this is apparently your first usage experience with one? :-) The tub does seem to be leaning slightly to the right but not enough to be an operational problem or concern. | ||
| Post# 1153028 , Reply# 105 7/1/2022 at 11:59 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153029 , Reply# 106 7/1/2022 at 12:00 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153030 , Reply# 107 7/1/2022 at 12:56 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1153035 , Reply# 108 7/1/2022 at 13:32 (664 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The spin brake mechanism is external from the transmission. Changing the transmission is unlikely to have an effect on it. The noise at spin braking seems related to the brake being aggressive and the tub suspension springs stretching/retracting when the tub jerks. It's not unusual that a new brake assembly is very aggressive. Try more grease on the brake drum/shoes to ease the aggressiveness. Safety protocol (per whatever consumer safety outfit is involved), as I understand, require that the basket stops within 3 seconds of the lid opening during spin. This fellow's machine is old and presumably hasn't been serviced but brakes so aggressively at 9:50 (low speed spin) in this video that the entire machine moves. The next spin braking at 40:50 (high spin) isn't as rough, nor is the final spin stop at 55:57. | ||
| Post# 1153036 , Reply# 109 7/1/2022 at 13:55 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153041 , Reply# 110 7/1/2022 at 15:59 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153059 , Reply# 111 7/1/2022 at 18:59 (664 days old) by barcoboy (Canada) | ||
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DADoES,
No I have had experience with direct drives. I just find them loud in the fact that the agitation sound of the transmission is nearly the same loudness during the neutral drain as it is when the machine is agitating, minus the water splashing sounds. Compared to an older belt drive Whirlpool, where you can still hear the agitation sound when neutral draining, and sometimes even see the agitator moving slightly, but it is quieter than when the machine is actually agitating, and much quieter than the direct drive transmission. I'm guessing the shorter, quicker strokes of the direct drive probably are what cause it to be louder.
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Post# 1153070 , Reply# 112 7/1/2022 at 23:58 (664 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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a real washing machine Now that's a real washing machine with substance. The direct drive is something the folks at the Clyde plant should be proud about. I wish they'd bring these back. | ||
| Post# 1153079 , Reply# 113 7/2/2022 at 06:08 (664 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153346 , Reply# 114 7/4/2022 at 18:06 (661 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Bleach Dispenser doesn't work
It's unfortunate I discovered the bleach dispenser doesn't work. I took the machine apart and it appears the hose connecting the dispenser to the tub has a kink in it. I tried to adjust it but it just defaults back to the kink. Unbeknownst to me, I had filled the bleach dispenser with 1 cup of bleach thinking it would properly dispense. This was not the case. The bleach appears to splash all over during the spin cycle resulting in quite a mess on the floor. I had to manually drain the a dispenser. It also seemed pretty gunked up. I was unable to remove the plastic dispenser itself from the tub ring. I was searching youtube for a tutorial on how to go about replacing this style bleach dispenser, but was unable. Does anyone have any insight they could share on this?
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Post# 1153348 , Reply# 115 7/4/2022 at 18:17 (661 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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bleach dispenser Is it a time flow through or static dispense where the bleach just flows into the dispenser when you pour it in? The timed flow through ones will flush water through it. | ||
| Post# 1153350 , Reply# 116 7/4/2022 at 18:20 (661 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1153368 , Reply# 117 7/4/2022 at 20:11 (661 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The dispenser is integral to the tub ring. The only separate part referenced on diagrams is the wax motor (which may be the problem), P/N 8318246 which is NLA. Or is the kinked hose causing the obstruction to draining the bleach? There is no water feed line to flush the dispenser. Bleach is held in the reservoir until the wax motor energizes and then drains into the tub via gravity. The wax motor substituted at some point to the entire tub ring P/N W10213410, which is also NLA. This source claims to have it but I'd be leery without direct confirmation. Whirlpool W10213410 Perhaps set up an eBay notification for both items? | ||
| Post# 1153377 , Reply# 118 7/4/2022 at 21:06 (661 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1153379 , Reply# 119 7/4/2022 at 21:45 (661 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The hose has (or should have assuming it's the correct hose) a nozzle at the end which may be difficult to pull through the tub. Pushing it through from outside may be more workable in that respect, which of course requires removal of the tub ring, agitator, and basket. Your choice. P/N 3948705. You can find this info via parts diagrams for the model number ... AppliancePartsPros, SearsPartsDirect, etc.
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| Post# 1153442 , Reply# 120 7/5/2022 at 17:42 (660 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Kink
Here are a few pictures of the kink hose. It kind of seems to long IMO.
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Post# 1153444 , Reply# 121 7/5/2022 at 17:55 (660 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Kinked Bleach Hose That's not the correct hose, take it off the BD and see if you can cut it shorter and reattach without the kink.
To test the BDer take the hose off and pour hot water in it and attach a 120 volt line cord and see if the wax motor gets warm to the touch and allows water to flow through in about a minute or two.
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| Post# 1153449 , Reply# 122 7/5/2022 at 18:23 (660 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153453 , Reply# 123 7/5/2022 at 19:06 (660 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
I believe that is the wrong outer tub for that bleach dispenser assembly. On the machines that had the automatic bleach dispenser that was built into the tub ring the hose was installed lower on the side of the tub and because yours has the hole in the tub for the common gravity dispenser it has caused the kinked hose. As recommended you may be able to shorten the hose to make it work.
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| Post# 1153455 , Reply# 124 7/5/2022 at 19:15 (660 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153456 , Reply# 125 7/5/2022 at 19:54 (660 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1153460 , Reply# 126 7/5/2022 at 20:23 (660 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1153461 , Reply# 127 7/5/2022 at 20:36 (660 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1153487 , Reply# 128 7/6/2022 at 09:38 (659 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1153499 , Reply# 129 7/6/2022 at 11:59 (659 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1153696 , Reply# 130 7/8/2022 at 16:18 (657 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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The guy who refurbished my machine believes the piece that comes with the clutch (I'm not sure what it's called) has more play in it than it should. I thinks it had come off and was resulting in the clicking noise. We have since applied grease to the brake rollers and spring. The tub doesn't come to a complete stop like it did before, but it's very quit now.
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Post# 1153709 , Reply# 131 7/8/2022 at 18:08 (657 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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