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Thread Number: 90683
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Who makes hot fill washers today, apart from Ebac? (UK) |
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| Post# 1151888 6/21/2022 at 08:31 (668 days old) by Jaycey (UK) | ||
I'm interested to know because I've seen so many conflicting stories about such machines. People publish lists online that I then go through, only to find that not one is actually a hot fill. Then I read more stories about how some machines have a hot fill fitting but "they don't use it" (this often from 'hot fill haters') - makes in this category have included Hoover and LG. However, I've painstakingly gone through their washers, and can't find any evidence for this (although some brochures say things like 'some models have a hot fill fitting', then say no more about it).
DOES anyone genuinely make hot fill machines these days (apart from Ebac)? And if so, is there a proper list or page somewhere, that gives all the relevant information? (Including machines with hot fill fittings, that do actually use it!) I've heard the rumours that 'hot fill is coming back'- but is it really? :/ PS. Whatever is out there, it would need to be damn good to get me away from my 30-year old Hoover Logic! ;) In all the years I've had it, I've never found anything better? BUT the old girl is wearing out, and parts are getting harder to find...;( | ||
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Post# 1151987 , Reply# 3 6/22/2022 at 04:41 (667 days old) by foraloysius  (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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A friend of mine has a solar boiler, which means in her situation she has a lot of hot water available. That boiler is next to her washing machine. She has a premix installation that makes every washing machine into a hot fill one. No need for a special machine that's very expensive, every washing machine can be connected to it. Here's an example of such a premix contraption.
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Post# 1151988 , Reply# 4 6/22/2022 at 05:01 (667 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Any top loader | ||
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Post# 1152008 , Reply# 5 6/22/2022 at 10:04 (667 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia) |
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Hi Louis That is a clever gadget. does it have a timer so that after initial hot fill, the rinses are cold?
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Post# 1152012 , Reply# 7 6/22/2022 at 10:22 (667 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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It's an intelligent system. Based on time it knows when to use hot water and when not. For that reason there is a pre-wash button (Vorwäsche) so it knows it has to use hot water somewhat later too.
Here's the link to the manufacturer's page. Unfortunately it seems to have sold out at the moment. The price on the manufacturer's page is €259.- but I have seen it on other websites cheaper. The website is in German, with Google Translate you might get a decent translation. www.alfa-mix-shop.de... Ofcourse this is only one of those gadgets, there are more of those on the market. | ||
| Post# 1152096 , Reply# 8 6/23/2022 at 04:48 (666 days old) by Jaycey (UK) | ||
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@gizmo
Thanks very much for all this. "I find the hot fill is very valuable and I wouldn't want a washer without it" - I'm right with you there! :) Looking in showrooms is an unhappy experience as a rule - "If it has two inlet fittings, it will be hot and cold fill" can also mean than the manufacturer fitted this but the machine doesn't actually use it (sounds crazy but I've been told this to my face!). I shall be rechecking Miele, LG and Fisher & Paykel and keeping my fingers crossed... @henene4 I've never even heard of a stain-setting issue with hot water fill? :o (I've had one all my life and have never experienced this.) "Most people barely wash over 40C" - not me, I wash at 40, 60 and 95 (never below 40) - I've read the science, I want clean, bug-free washing (and a mould-free machine). "Yesterday's tech for the EU market" - I'm running yesterday's tech already and so far have found nothing better (and I'm in the UK). It's sad to see "not in the UK" after so many of the makes you mention. (A plumber told me that cold fill was really all about corner-cutting and trying to get production costs down - but it's always the consumer who suffers?) @foraloysius Wow - you've really got me interested in your gadget! And you say there are others? (Would you happen to know what makes?) What an amazing idea! (So simple and yet makes so much sense, like all good ideas!) I wonder how a modern machine reacts to hot water coming in - does it work OK? (I also wonder if using such a gadget might invalidate the machine's guarantee?) @ozzie908 A toploader is something I hadn't even considered - but now you've got me interested! Have you got one yourself? I have a utility room so I have the space. After having had a quick look around, I can see there are some pretty good ones around. Thanks for the tip. ^ PS. My own situation - a small utility room on the first floor, next to the room with the boiler in it (a combi boiler - water gets hot very quickly, and doesn't have far to 'travel'). | ||
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Post# 1152099 , Reply# 9 6/23/2022 at 05:26 (666 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Jaycey
I can only find German products, not sure if they are available in the UK. I guess it's best to ask an installer what products they have. Or perhaps a company that sells solar water heaters. That's how my friend got hers.
Stain setting by using hot water is a well known issue. That's why some washing machines have a stain cycle that can be used in combination with higher temperatures. I think it was Bauknecht who started with that. The heating goes on halt for a while at around 40 degrees Celcius to let the enzymes do it works on stains like grease, fat and blood. After that the temperature goes up. This system was designed to let people use the pre-wash less with stains. Just curious, what toploaders are still on the market? When I google I can't find any American style toploaders anymore that are available in the UK. | ||
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Post# 1152102 , Reply# 10 6/23/2022 at 05:45 (666 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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My Dreamspace has hot and cold fill. I've only been able to use it in one place I lived - everywhere else there's only cold water available. I liked it a lot. Even the shorter 1h cycle would wash well, as it would target a fill temperature of around 40C, so cleaning would start immediately. It's still fine with a cold fill, as most of my clothes are lightly soiled anyway... but I do miss the hot fill.
I haven't come across a recent LG with dual fill, except for the larger "American" 15 or 17 kg model. I also wonder, considering the cost of a Miele Passion or a V-Zug, how long it would take to recoup the purchase price through energy savings. UK YouTube user MrLaundry101 has a Fisher & Paykel and has nothing but praise for it. He also has short written reviews under the Community tab (scroll back 6 months). CLICK HERE TO GO TO Logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 1152132 , Reply# 12 6/23/2022 at 09:10 (666 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@Jaycey
I have a USA Whirlpool top loader and I find liquids work best in it as its only a 12/15 minute wash cycle, it too is in the same place as the boiler so if I want a super hot wash I turn the boiler up and let it fill it does do an actual hot water intake where as some add cold this one mixes hot and cold when you select warm and it also adds some hot to the cold wash so its not freezing cold as our Up North water can be.
I also have a Whirlpool Dreamspace that uses hot and cold but it senses the temp of the water too hot it adds cold etc but I select whites let it fill then pause it and turn the temp to 60 like you I never wash in cold water just the thought makes me want to throw up all that sludge in the water and no heat to kill bugs??? No thank you and yes I know I could buy even more products to kill stuff but where is the saving doing that ? | ||
| Post# 1153096 , Reply# 13 7/2/2022 at 10:16 (657 days old) by Jaycey (UK) | ||
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My new project - ask all the manufacturers!
Thanks to everybody for all their replies - they certainly got me thinking and looking around.
In the end, I decided to just sit down and email all the manufacturers who supply washing machines to the UK (and some suppliers) to try and get an accurate picture. I made a spreadsheet to record this and to collate the responses (even from companies I knew didn't make hot fill machines - I wanted to give everyone's customer services department a fair crack of the whip). I thought people here might be interested to see what results I got, so here's a JPG of the spreadsheet. There's a lot who haven't replied yet, so this is on-going (hopefully!). I'd be grateful to know if I missed out any manufacturers - I went through pages and pages of information to get my list, but I still might be out by a few? Anyway, it's food for thought - and some people just don't care, it seems! PS. I've tried to load a large sharp picture of my spreadsheet, but whatever size I load this page seems to shrink it down and blur it somewhat (even in 'full size'). I'm sorry about this, it's not me - but hopefully you'll still be able to read it?
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Post# 1153106 , Reply# 14 7/2/2022 at 11:48 (657 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Some other choices | ||
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Post# 1153639 , Reply# 17 7/8/2022 at 02:57 (651 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hot Fill machine
Hi Jaycey , the only true Hot & Cold washing machine being actively promoted is for the Ebac here in the UK, and this has been produced primarily for people with Solar Hot Water Heating and Solar Energy where you have the latest thermally insulated Hot Water Storage Tanks linked in with a "Pumped Prime" Hot Water system where the hot is pumped around a short hot water loop constantly so you always get Hot Water straight away.
From your Hoover logic any larger capacity washing machine is going to give you more economical energy costs savings than what you have now . Todays machines use of water , electricity to heat and detergent required will wash more for less than your logic, hot water provision not withstanding. We did a test on the use of water in a new 9kg washer dryer and on a cottons cycle the amount of water for washing 9kg, 2 deep rinses and the water didnt even fill a single tub Hoover washing machine being able to wash only 3 kg or 6lbs of clothing. | ||
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Post# 1153640 , Reply# 18 7/8/2022 at 03:07 (651 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Ebac Washing Machine
Here are a few pics of Alistairs Ebac Washing Machine... including a final rinse & spin where you can see the motor and inner components !!
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Post# 1153641 , Reply# 19 7/8/2022 at 03:09 (651 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Ebac Rinse & Spin Video | ||
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Post# 1153642 , Reply# 20 7/8/2022 at 03:13 (651 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Ebac Review | ||
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