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Post# 1153157   7/3/2022 at 01:22 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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My sister is once again having to replace an ISE Badger that has gone dead.  She had a home warranty for years and they kept replacing one garbage (adj.) disposal with another garbage (adj.) disposal.  She quit the warranty a while back and now she's on her own to replace the dead Badger.

 

Her disposers don't ever see hard use.  Generally they only handle scraps that get away from her.  She has chickens so most fresh vegetable waste gets fed to them.  A neighbor told her that a 1.25 HP Frigidaire (model FF13DISPC1) got the nod from Consumer Reports.  That particular model is going for $159 on Amazon and has a 12-year warranty.  Reviews are mostly positive.  The splash guard is removable which I think is a big plus.  One consistent comment is that the unit is quite heavy, so one would hope that means durable as well.

 

Can anyone advise on the Frigidaire or another make that's a better choice?  She won't want to spend big bucks on an ISE Evolution just based on how little she uses a disposer.

 

Link to Amazon listing provided below.

 



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Post# 1153160 , Reply# 1   7/3/2022 at 03:18 by SudsMaster (California)        

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Ralph,

Well, I can't speak to the Badger disposers.

However I've had a Titan disposer for at least 10 years with zero problems.

The Titan I have I got at Costco. It's a model T-1060, 1-1/4 HP.  I *think* it's also sold under the American Standard brand name.

Here's a link:



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Post# 1153164 , Reply# 2   7/3/2022 at 06:54 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Best Disposers

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Hi Ralph, I would have her get another ISE, but get one with SS grinding components, usually you will find these at around $150 or so price level.

 

I would absolutely skip the Chinese junk like the FD you posted, these have cheap hi speed motors and small capacity chambers, these are sold under the Moen name as well, we seem to be replacing a lot of these disposers in just a few years.

 

These cheap little units do not have any way to unjam them like ISE models, we end up throwing them away when they get something like a screw or a penny caught in them, the tiny blades sometimes break off or bend, either way the unit is done.

 

For best life and durability a disposer needs to be used, she should grind up heavy stuff in it every week such as fruit rinds, chicken bones and what ever else the chickens will not eat.

 

John L.


Post# 1153184 , Reply# 3   7/3/2022 at 10:53 by SudsMaster (California)        

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Post# 1153203 , Reply# 4   7/3/2022 at 12:59 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
California Composting Law

In California we are required to separate food from other garbage and put it our Green Waste cans, now called Organics Cans. As Consumer Reports mentions, garbage disposals feed the waste to the municipal sewage disposal plants which are more efficient than composting. This new system is a big change for most people and there is no enforcement yet. Eventually they will fine people $500 for not doing it correctly. I am considering a larger garbage disposal that will do a better job. Currently I have the ISE Badger, my second one. I do not use it very much just dump the food scraps in the garbage can.

Post# 1153211 , Reply# 5   7/3/2022 at 13:39 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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I won't even do a gd. It's such a stinky mess. You can't clean the inside of the chamber. Plus I'm on septic, but even if I weren't it's hard on the pipe system.
I've removed more than one gd and put in a standard sink drain to replace it.

I put all food scraps in the freezer, then thaw, then compost.


Post# 1153215 , Reply# 6   7/3/2022 at 14:01 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Reply #5

 

Hi Brad, its a shame that someone that likes ? appliances does not know how to use them and just spews out lies about them.

 

A disposer never stinks if used properly.

 

A disposer keeps drain lines cleaner then no disposer.

 

A disposer is GOOD for a septic system.

 

To each their own but as my business partner Jason and I often joke, it no wonder so many people live alone with all the crazy ideas out there. 

 

A disposer also uses less electricity than freezing garbage in your freezer [ talk about gross, I would never put a lot of the stuff I put down a disposer in my freezer with my food ]

 

John l.


Post# 1153216 , Reply# 7   7/3/2022 at 14:31 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Thanks for the replies (except the one I am happily oblivious to that John referenced directly above).  I couldn't find anything on Costco's site resembling the A.S./Titan in the provided PDF.

 

I checked for ISE Evolution models (per ISE, their only series with SS grinding components) on Amazon and found one for a little over $200, but specs are vague on the grinding materials and it also indicated that it's made in China, which goes counter to what ISE claims on their web site.

 

I'm going to advise my sister to take a pass on the Frigidaire, but will have to do more investigating on what's what between the ISE site and Amazon.


Post# 1153217 , Reply# 8   7/3/2022 at 14:39 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
oh John

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I see you still haven't pursued the definition and practice of 'tact'.

Speaking of your lies John: You can Google search your assertions. Most are common sense and others are advice from industry experts in the plumbing field and those who install septic systems.

Lots of people use their gd "properly" and the gd still stinks
BECAUSE people can't access the sidewalls of said gd so it can be thoroughly cleaned of debri. That's because a gd is a poorly designed product.

A gd adds more bacteria debri to a septic tank that a tank may not be able to process in time. It's also adding shredded food particles that can flow through to the leach field where it can plug up said field causing it to fail. Either way, whether cleaning out a septic tank more often or having to dig up and replace a failed leach field is added expense and bother.

Food scraps are still considered food, John. What's kept in the freezer typically?

Apparently those people who put their children's stuffed animals in the freezer to kill bacteria have a level of maturity and understanding of what a freezer is that it allows them a freedom you've yet to discover.



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Post# 1153220 , Reply# 9   7/3/2022 at 15:01 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Ralph, you might want to consider the ISE Contractor 333 model, which is 3/4 HP, and has stainless steel grind components. These aren't sold in big box stores, but at plumbing supply places such as Ferguson.

Post# 1153224 , Reply# 10   7/3/2022 at 16:16 by appnut (TX)        

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Well Brad, I don't have an odor problem with my garbage disposal. Periodically, I fill up the sink side with the garbage disposal with warm to hot water and Dawn Dishwashing liquid. ONce sink is full, I turn the machine on and pull off the sink stopper and let the water swirl and flow throughout the grbage dispoal. No smell whatsoever!!!

Post# 1153226 , Reply# 11   7/3/2022 at 16:32 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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Bob, I used to do that too years ago but when you consider it, there's still no guarantee that it will clean everything out.

When I had rental properties they all had disposals and they all had build up in them.

Well intentioned perhaps, the garbage disposal may have been an attempt at dealing with food waste but.... when you consider how bad the drain systems were back in the 50s or whenever the disposal was created it's like.... they weren't thinking very far down the line on those.

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Green bins are so much better at disposing of organics. After all, you wouldn't put grass, dead flowers, and leaves in your disposal.

The green bins handle it all and make a giant compost pile saving all these things from going in the landfill or heaven forbid, the sewer system.



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Post# 1153227 , Reply# 12   7/3/2022 at 16:38 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I drain my dishwashers into my 32 year old Maytag batch feed disposer and turn it on each time one drains and the inside is shiny stainless steel on the turntable and there is no odor.

Post# 1153230 , Reply# 13   7/3/2022 at 17:28 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

We got a garbage disposer put in soon after moving into this house in August, 1957. It was a Waste King Pulverator. When it quit sometime in the late 60's, it was replaced with an ISE model 77. That lasted until sometime in the early 90's, when an ISE Badger was installed. That cheap thing lasted until 2002,then started leaking, and quit a few months later. I removed it, and reconnected the drain. I didn't replace it because I planned to renovate in a couple years. Due to unforseen circumstances, I still don't have my permanent kitchen finished, so don't currently have a disposer. I don't ever remember any of them having a foul odor, except the last after it began leaking. I suppose if one needs scrubbed, a round toilet brush would do the job.

If BW doesn't like disposers, then he shouldn't own one. It's not his place to tell the rest of us whether to or not. Guess there's always those who will say the blue sky is orange, deep water is shallow, etc. I have to contend with a woman like that in the hiking group. Maybe they should meet - they might like each other.


Post# 1153242 , Reply# 14   7/3/2022 at 20:18 by SudsMaster (California)        

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Ralph,

 

I believe the American Standard (1.25 hp) that Costco sells today is equivalent to the Titan I mentioned. This is supported by numerous Google searches that turn up American Standard along with Titan. My conclusion is that Joneca out of Anaheim, CA makes/made the Titan and has licensed the design to American Standard.

 

And here's a link to the American Standard equivalent to the Titan:

 

www.costco.com/american-s...

 

 


Post# 1153252 , Reply# 15   7/3/2022 at 22:10 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Reply #14

 

That disposer is a piece of crap, it uses a small high speed motor, they even admitted in the description that it can not handle large bones, they don't say anything about build quality.

 

It looks like the same Chinese crap.

 

All you really need in a disposer is a strong induction motor and SS grinding components.

 

John L.


Post# 1153257 , Reply# 16   7/3/2022 at 22:53 by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Thank you John for giving it to us straight! WE want AND get the facts, sir and that's what we want! Not crap from the internet! Greg

Post# 1153258 , Reply# 17   7/3/2022 at 23:24 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
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Greg, John is not a walking library of facts who's "word is law". lol

He speaks from experience, bias, and opinion like the rest of us.

The internet is a repository of much more reliable information. Don't fear it.


Post# 1153260 , Reply# 18   7/3/2022 at 23:43 by SudsMaster (California)        

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The American Standard Model  ASD-1250 food disposer (same as the Titan):

 

ASD-1250 1¼ Horsepower Garbage Disposer

  • 1¼ Horsepower
  • Bio Shield® Anti-Microbial Agent: Molded throughout provides protection against odor-causing bacterial growth
  • Removable Splash Guard with Bio Shield
  • 3-Bolt Mounting System for Easy Replacement
  • Insulated Sound Shell
  • Silver Guard®: the unique feature that captures most metal objects before they enter the disposer chamber
  • Corrosion Proof Grind Chamber and Drain Housing
  • Attached Power Cord & Plug
  • Less Jamming (no dejaming wrench necessary)
  • Septic Safe
  • Measures 15.5” High x 8.7” Wide
  • 10 Year Limited Warranty

From the operation manual:

 

The Anti-Jam Swivel Impellers make a clicking
sound as they initially swing into place. This
indicates normal operation.
A. Remove sink stopper. Turn on a medium flow of cold
water.
B. Turn switch to ON position; your motor is turning at full
speed and ready to use.
C. Scrape in food waste. Down the drain go table scraps,
peelings, rinds, seeds, pits, small bones and coffee
grounds. To speed up food waste disposal, cut or
break up large bones, rinds and cobs. Large bones
and fibrous waste require considerable grinding time
and are more easily thrown away with other trash. Do
not be alarmed that the disposer slows down while
grinding. The disposer is actually increasing torque
(grinding power) and is operating under normal
conditions.
D. Before turning disposer off, let water and disposer run
for approximately 15 seconds after shredding or
grinding stops. This assures that all waste is thoroughly
flushed through trap and drain.
E. It is not recommended to use hot water while running
disposer. Cold water will keep waste and fats solid so
disposer can flush away particles.

 

TIPS FOR SUCCESSFUL OPERATION
A. Be sure disposer is empty before using your dishwasher so it may drain properly.
B. You may want to leave the stopper in the sink drain when not in use to prevent utensils and foreign objects from
falling into the disposer.
C. Your disposer is ruggedly built to give you many years of trouble free service. It will handle all normal food
wastes, but it will NOT grind or dispose of such items as plastic, tin cans, bottle caps, glass, china, leather, cloth,
rubber, string, clam and oyster shells, aluminum foil or feathers.

 

(Link already provided in previous message.)

 


Post# 1153261 , Reply# 19   7/3/2022 at 23:46 by SudsMaster (California)        

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PS: The Titan has a strong (1.25 HP) induction motor, stainless blades, and corrosion resistant basket (mostly stainless), and it CAN handle large bones but cautions that these will take a long time to grind into powder, that's all.

 

Also, as I said, I have owned the Titan/American Standard disposer for at least 10 years with no problems. It is reliable and quiet.

 

I wouldn't touch a Badger with a 10 foot pole.

 

 

 

 


Post# 1153266 , Reply# 20   7/4/2022 at 01:01 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
American Standard

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The American Standard Model ASD-1250 food disposer. With free shipping, that's not bad. It has good reviews and good sound insulation too.

It says free shipping but if not, Amazon Prime days are coming up.


I don't know that it makes a difference and American Standard is owned by a Japanese syndicate out of Tokyo called Lixel Group.



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Post# 1153268 , Reply# 21   7/4/2022 at 01:13 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Thanks Tom,

 

The Contractor 333 seems to be a popular item.  I found a grand total of one available through the Ferguson outlets in Los Angeles, which is where my sister lives.  Fortunately the one I found is close to her.  I think the price is a good compromise compared to the more costly Evolution models.  If she's interested, I advised her to order/purchase it on line ASAP (before they open again on 7/5) and opt for in-store pick-up.

 

 


Post# 1153270 , Reply# 22   7/4/2022 at 01:31 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
That ISE

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is a quality choice too and also available from Amazon with free delivery.

Though, it is nearly twice the price but with almost HALF the power of the Amer. Standard mdl.


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Post# 1153271 , Reply# 23   7/4/2022 at 01:37 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
VS

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Amer Standard stats

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Post# 1153272 , Reply# 24   7/4/2022 at 02:02 by SudsMaster (California)        

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Here's a guide from Insinkerator about how to use a disposer (it's for the 333 Contractor).

 

Please note that it says "small bones" only.

 

support.insinkerator.com/app/ans...


Post# 1153286 , Reply# 25   7/4/2022 at 09:14 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The great disposer debate...

 

Ralph, I use my disposer much like what you've described your sister's usage is.  

 

When my just-out-of-warranty 3.25 year old ISE Badger (with SS grind components) started leaking, I shopped all of the ISE/Moen/Cheap-China models out there.  Intending to buy an an ISE Evolution TOL - $440 MSRP, I was floating around Amazon one night and stumbled upon this Waste Maid unit for $44.  I won't bother to tout its scant-few features and stats, suffice it to say it was an impulse of "lets try this for fun" and here it is.  I've had it for nearly a year now and so far, it hasn't failed.  It's quieter than some of the others I've heard from this multi-branded make so I guess that's a plus though it doesn't run for long periods so I don't care much either way.  

 

For ~10% of the price of the TOL Evolution ISE (I have no doubt is still the superior product in many ways) I'm satisfied for now and will keep my expectations commensurate with my investment.  Amazon Prime Days are coming up soon...


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Post# 1153287 , Reply# 26   7/4/2022 at 09:40 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
BPI bags

Does anyone use BPI certified bags for their kitchen waste? Some communities allow these bags to be used in your kitchen for compostable waste and can be thrown into the Organics Can.

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Post# 1153306 , Reply# 27   7/4/2022 at 12:11 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Thanks for that info Greg.  I did see that make on Costco's site.  I'll be discussing options with her later today.

 

I wonder why they went with "Maid" rather than "Queen."


Post# 1153358 , Reply# 28   7/4/2022 at 18:55 by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I have an ISE Evolution Compact pig that is very quiet and does the job. I never have an issue with aroma coming from said pig. My dishwasher drains right into it and every so often I use those Disposer Care packets that foam like mad to scour the insides out. The only thing that I will have to say that I do run thru the dishwasher from time to time is the sound baffle at the entrance to the pig...I just pull it out and pop it in the dishwasher to get rid of anything that clings to it. Or I wash it by hand.
This ISE disposer has not had any issues whatsoever and gets rid of everything I throw at it...and yes I put bones down. The only thing I dont is corn husks...but other than that never an issue and I think we paid less than $200 for it at Lowes.
The house in Mass we had a Waste King Gourmet that lasted us for about 15 years until the top separated from the sink flange ...what a mess that was. That was replaced by a Moen disposer and that was kinda slow compared to the Waste King, but it did the job. I think I paid about $130 for it at Home Depot.


Post# 1153406 , Reply# 29   7/5/2022 at 07:59 by WhiteWhiskers (Silicon Valley, California)        
re: reply# 2

> I would have her get another ISE, but get one with SS grinding components,
> usually you will find these at around $150 or so price level.

Perhaps this ISE at Lowes is what combo52 refers.


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Post# 1153439 , Reply# 30   7/5/2022 at 16:49 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Gary, thanks for that information on the Lowe's model.  I'm pretty sure she's dead set against any of ISE's Badger models though, even though that particular Badger may be an outlier.   Good to know for future reference though, since I have a Badger that was here when we bought the place in 2018 (I hardly ever use it because memories of having to crawl under the 1925 family home to snake the sanitary line which wasn't disposer-friendly still haunt me).

 

She went after the one remaining 333 at the Glendale Ferguson near her early this morning and it was already gone.  She's checking stock at Pasadena and San Gabriel now.  She had considered eliminating a disposer entirely but her plumbing guy told her it would cost just as much to rework the drains, so replacement remains the path forward. 

 

I really wish I had removed the Maytag FC-5 we put in when we remodeled our previous, previous kitchen in 1990.  I'm sure it would still be operating quietly and taking anything we threw into it.  I saw a used one at Urban Ore a few years ago and should have grabbed it.


Post# 1153443 , Reply# 31   7/5/2022 at 17:51 by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I agree with John, I don't have any problems with build up or smell  but I use very high end disposers.

I have more disposers than anybody else in here.
If she wants a good one and it kills me to say this really but Hissun disposals are really pretty good

for a good price. They have Fixed and Swing hammers and under-cutters so you don't clog as much

unlike the terrible Badger anything which is garbage.

There 159 bucks on Amazon 3/4 HP I was shocked Ise has a competitor.

 


Post# 1153446 , Reply# 32   7/5/2022 at 18:03 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
ISE 333 It Is --

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Ferguson in Pasadena has three 333's in stock, so she's buzzing right over to get one.

 

Thanks to all for the input, with special thanks going to Tom for the tip on the 333 model.

 

 


Post# 1153474 , Reply# 33   7/5/2022 at 23:40 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

You're very welcome, Ralph. Hope it serves her well.

Post# 1153531 , Reply# 34   7/6/2022 at 16:14 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
It's In

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Post# 1156497 , Reply# 35   8/10/2022 at 07:47 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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The first garbage disposal I remember in the house I grew up in was some orange one, oosibkh an InSinkErator, replaced by an off-white one which clearly was an ISE, so me being away from there lost count of all those new ones replacing one after another until a Badger pretty much like what we have here is now in its place...

Of which we'd gone from a Whirlpool branded one which quit working to a Badger which a day ago just gave up the ghost...

Left now to find someone who can quickly install a new one of which I'm thinking an appliance repair/service--a friend of mine who'd put in that one and rerouted and redid some of the plumbing under our sink is not as able or available as on that one day, a mere few years ago...



-- Dave


Post# 1156686 , Reply# 36   8/11/2022 at 23:29 by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I have  a great disposer , I have a 1988 WASTE KING SS5000 it has under-cutters,cast grind ring , center ripper..

140 bucks and I will cover shipping .... / Ask around I have sold many disposers in here..

Trust me you cant go wrong with this machine....


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Post# 1156693 , Reply# 37   8/12/2022 at 01:59 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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one of these from dollar tree works wonders for cleaning the inside of a disposal.  A little Comet sprinkled on the brush, shove it in and scrub away.  I've been doing this for years and no problems.  When the brush is pulled back out, it scrubs the back side of the baffles.View Scrub Buddies Plastic Toilet Bowl


Post# 1156714 , Reply# 38   8/12/2022 at 08:53 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I've never got less then 10-12 years from a SS ISE model. They are more expensive initially than Badger but SO much cheaper long term. I can't fathom replacing a Badger with another one, perhaps that was the yet another disadvantage of having a home warranty.

Disposers are a wonderful asset to a kitchen, can't imagine not having one. They are a bit of a pain to deal with when they fail though so it is wise to not to buy junk. Most important advice is if the rubber splash guard isn't removable, don't even consider that model.


Post# 1156778 , Reply# 39   8/12/2022 at 21:34 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Well just like that it struck me to work my hex wrench under my disposal and now she’s whammin’ ‘n jammin’ away—I will have to call the appliance place and cancel the replacement…


— Dave


Post# 1156788 , Reply# 40   8/13/2022 at 00:06 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
I remember those

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One place I lived had a plastic pocket stuck to the disposal and inside was the wrench. I actually needed to use it once and it worked perfect.

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Post# 1156791 , Reply# 41   8/13/2022 at 00:43 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I would be interested in your 1988 WKSS5000 disposal!
Thanks:
Rex


Post# 1156808 , Reply# 42   8/13/2022 at 09:37 by Syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD)        
Disposer use ..

I've done warranty and service with Alco Appliance, and on my own since 1995. Aside from a few design flaws which ISE corrected thru the years, bones, fruit pits, rinds, and ice cubes definitely reduce or eliminate any bad disposer breath u might be experiencing....all that debris flying around in the chamber acts like a toothbrush... scouring it away. The small amounts of oil n grease are great too, that keeps the seals lubricated, prolonging the life of the unit. Every time I go into a customer's home the first thing I'm greeted with is "Oh I never put anything in it I hardly use it at all!"
And then I ask them why do they have one... It's a small joke, but the worst thing anyone can do with these units is to not use them or not use them for what they were intended for..... I've rebuilt several models for our home and yes we're on septic.... I've put them through torture tests, as I've seen combo 52 do which is lots of fun. Spare ribs steak bones anything that will fit gets tossed into it.... And no we have had no major septic issues... Another mistake people make is to pour hot grease down these things with hot water.... Or to pour any grease through them at all...
Well builders models are okay to use, I agree with combo 52 purchase one with stainless steel shredder components... Do not expect any of the badger series to have a lifelonger than 5 to 7 years...



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