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Post# 1155659   7/31/2022 at 20:34 by appnut (TX)        

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I still cannot buy into this. I recently bought some new 100% cotton big thick towels and again said wash in cold water.

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Post# 1155660 , Reply# 1   7/31/2022 at 20:46 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I recently stepped down to using warm water (averages 105 degrees) instead of hot on all loads of whites and was stunned to find the detergent actually works better. Iím using Tide 10X Heavy Duty pods for large loads and Tide 4-in-1 with Oxi pods for smaller loads. Iíve also replaced my beloved Clorox bleach with a 30-minute manual soak. These are both significant changes in lifelong habits for me.

I experimented with using temp-controlled cold water for all loads back when Tide ColdWater first appeared, but eventually reverted back to my warm & hot water ways.

I might be more tempted to wash loads of mixed colors in cold if I lived where the water at the tap rarely dips below 75 degrees, but the water here is refrigerator cold half the year. Not interested.

We are decidedly old-school, Bob! LOL


Post# 1155663 , Reply# 2   7/31/2022 at 21:03 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Washing in cold in some areas of the country and if you have an electric water heater might save $, for me not so much.  Was looking at my utility bill for June, gas bill was $14.  I have a gas cooktop, gas dryer, nat. gas grill and water heater set as high as it will go.  It's not costing me much to heat my water, I'll stick with hot or warm washes and a warm rinse if cycle permits.


Post# 1155667 , Reply# 3   7/31/2022 at 21:25 by qsd-dan (West)        

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Detergents heavily reliant on modern day enzymes do a better job removing stains at lowers temps, no arguments there. Where they fail, quite miserably I might add, is in the final sniff test right out of the washer. There's always a hint of sourness (bacteria?) when I washed a couple of dark towels I rarely use in 120F wash, spin rinse, and deep rinse temps using enzyme detergents. The white towels which are the daily drivers washed in 160F using detergents with little to no enzymes are 100% fresh smelling, all the time, every time. I started washing the darker towels with the whites at 160F and they immediately became just as fresh smelling the very first go around. Yeah, they fade a little every few washes but nobody sees them anyway and I can't take them with me into the next life, so blazing hot water washes it's!

Post# 1155674 , Reply# 4   7/31/2022 at 23:00 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Cold water? Sorry, don't buy it.

I still wash everything in HOT. I must have dumbed down washers because even my ice silk Cockcon underwear comes through with no shrinkage or damage.


Post# 1155678 , Reply# 5   7/31/2022 at 23:16 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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With all the viruses out there in circulation these days, itís either hot or warm water for me along with dryers with ozone lights that kill off bacteria and viruses as well. My laundry is thoroughly cleaned and sanitized unlike the people who only use cold water which is absolutely vile.

Post# 1155681 , Reply# 6   8/1/2022 at 01:57 by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Steam phase

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I found that using a steam phase during a wash cycle really improves results. I have a Miele W1 and when I select AllergoWash, it does a steam phase for 20 to 30 minutes after the main wash depending on if I choose the short option. The washer spins out the wash water and then covers the element on the base of the drum to create steam.
I use this option if I'm washing dark-coloured towels at 40 degrees and at the end of the cycle the towels smell incredibly fresh and odour free. I've done this for white towels too washed at 60 degrees.
I believe if you use steam for items that can't be washed hot, you can still achieve a good level of hygiene and odour removal.


Post# 1155684 , Reply# 7   8/1/2022 at 03:33 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Posted a link to YT video in another thread where some scientist (or whatever) conducted tests on bio and non-bio detergents and stain removal at various water temperatures.

Bio detergents worked best in warm to moderate temps, performance fell off at higher temperatures.

OTOH non-bio detergents were opposite, stain/soil removal was far better in hotter water.

However distasteful some may find it. warm or cold water washing is not going away, and is being heavily pushed from many directions. Both in Europe and North America washing machine and laundry product makers have been given directly or indirectly their marching orders from government. Energy use must decrease but performance cannot suffer.

Modern top shelf (and even some middle) laundry detergents work quite well in temps ranging from 86 to 105 degrees Fahrenheit. This is largely attributed to new complex enzyme cocktails along with various other bits like polymers.


Post# 1155687 , Reply# 8   8/1/2022 at 05:15 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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I rarely do hot or cold wash. Cold only for delicate items.

It's cool, warm, and warm-hot washes and cold rinses.

I always pre-wash dirty clothes, sheets, and towels.

For detergent it's original Oxydol, Simply clean Tide, and Foca detergent (the stuff made out of baby seals. lol).

And for most loads (not towels) a bit of april fresh Downy in the rinse.



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Post# 1155697 , Reply# 9   8/1/2022 at 09:24 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Cold water washing is why all of the emphasis in the advertising is for products that make laundry smell fresh artificially, because it is not actually washed in a way that makes it OR THE MACHINE smell fresh and of course, people do not leave the door open to let the machine "air out" between uses.

Post# 1155722 , Reply# 10   8/1/2022 at 15:08 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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In all fairness, laundry done under ideal circumstances:
the proper amount of unscented detergent
clean, filtered, softened water
thorough cleaning in the machine
the machine is clean with no lingering bacteria to get on clothes.

Clothing is not a thing of wonderous fragrance. It is after all wet cotton mixed with other petroleum based threads of polyester and the like.
The cheaper the clothes the more woven plastics.

But yeah, if you ask a novice person how clean their laundry is they will most likely judge it based on the amount and type of perfume it's giving off.
This implies that one could take a pile of dirty clothes,
hose them down with perfume
perhaps fold or hang the still dirty clothes
and they would be fooled into thinking they were clean.


Post# 1155724 , Reply# 11   8/1/2022 at 15:33 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Cold water washes

I generally do 1 load of dark colors a week in 75įF water. I have noticed that detergents do clean much better at this temperature than they did 10 years ago. However, after many washes I find that my clothes can have deodorant and oily stains on them that is removed in one cool wash.
To wash towels or sheets in cold is crazy. Warm is understandable.


Post# 1155747 , Reply# 12   8/1/2022 at 20:31 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
washing in cold water

The only time I wash in cold water is when I wash my dark clothes.

Post# 1155764 , Reply# 13   8/2/2022 at 00:17 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
I donít wash in cold water at all,

I only wash in hot water if itís my laundry or warm water if itís delicate even though I constantly see adverts for ďcold powerď and laundry detergent in Australia that advertises that it uses enzymes for ďcoldĒ water, Iíll stick with my powders my Oxy clean and my biozet thank you very much, but generally I tend to wash anything in hot water no matter what the hot water temperature is, itís like one time I think I did my entire laundry in 80įC water at a laundromat thatís about an hour away outside of my city and that was because they had a really hot temperature there and I decided to give it a shot, did a pretty good job, but generally the only time that Iíll end up having to wash in cold water is either and attended laundromat where the operator chooses cold water, that I canít really help or when hot water is physically not available but thank God for washing machines with heaters

Post# 1155796 , Reply# 14   8/2/2022 at 10:11 by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
I live in Mobile, AL

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What's cold water?

 

lawrence


Post# 1155808 , Reply# 15   8/2/2022 at 16:42 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
Energy use must decrease but performance cannot suffer.

And their tally of bricks shall not diminish.

So let it be written, so let it be done.


Post# 1155861 , Reply# 16   8/3/2022 at 09:20 by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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In reference to Dan's earlier post about a hint of sourness when removing his dark towels from the washer, I see very little mention of people using ammonia as a deodorizer.  

 

I've included a link to an old AW thread from 2015 where ammonia usage was discussed at length.



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Post# 1155873 , Reply# 17   8/3/2022 at 12:27 by Qsd-dan (West)        

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Ammonia works well but I'm septic now and it's on the "Do not use" list.

Post# 1156306 , Reply# 18   8/8/2022 at 04:52 by SudsMaster (California)        

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Clothing and such I generally wash in warm water. Towels, sheets, whites, etc. Hot water.


Post# 1156319 , Reply# 19   8/8/2022 at 12:25 by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Warm water most of the time over here...

I wash most of our clothes and linens in warm water, don't use hot or cold very often. We have almost no whites so no real need to worry about dye transfer or anything like that. I don't really understand why most clothing labels say to wash in cold now, and on items that in my opinion aren't that special or fancy. For instance I bought a couple pairs of cotton track pants from Old Navy, just basic elastic pants, and they say to wash in cold. What the heck for? I've washed them on warm several times now and they've been just fine. Now I am pretty careful with the dryer, drying most things on low except towels, socks, and underwear. Hang drying really isn't much of an option here except for items that absolutely require it, because we have no yard and minimal space inside.

Post# 1156577 , Reply# 20   8/11/2022 at 03:04 by Stan (Napa CA)        
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Maybe Iím the only one in the free work that still hand washes dishes using a dishpan, but can you imagine what the dishpan would look like if one only used cold water?
Top or front loader washing machines are going to be gunked up with pure nastiness with constant use of cold water, liquid detergents and fabric softener! (I donít use)
Many of us here have taken washing machines apart and have seen what can build up on outer & inner tubs.
Yes we all have to wash certain things in cold, but for everything?
Nope


Post# 1156603 , Reply# 21   8/11/2022 at 10:55 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
Stan My Friend

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You arenít alone in washing your dishes by hand. Iíve been washing the dishes by hand for over four years now. And I wouldnít dream of using cold water to do it either. And BTW I canít ever see myself going back to using the DW.

At the very least warm water needs to be used for doing most of the laundry, with the rare exception of certain fabrics that would be adversely effected by not washing them in cold water.

Eddie


Post# 1156641 , Reply# 22   8/11/2022 at 17:32 by Stan (Napa CA)        
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Thatís what I get for assuming I was alone with my dishpan!
Iíve never had a DW so I donít know anything else
But Iíve not heard of someone having a DW that gave it up?
Prey tell?


Post# 1156650 , Reply# 23   8/11/2022 at 18:26 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
Stan,

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In April 2018 Iíd started the DW with a full load in the afternoon while I was getting dinner ready. When the cycle was complete I opened up the DW to put the clean dishes away. What I found was a dirty load of dishes with the food baked on them. The pump apparently had gone out and the water just sat at the bottom of the tub with the detergent undissolved because it hadnít been recirculated with the water, and Iíd used the heated dry option.

So in the middle of dinner prep I had to wash 3 days worth of dishes with baked on food and detergent by hand, and I wasnít a happy camper. Since the DW was just under 1 year old and still under warranty I called Whirlpool to make a service appt. The soonest they could get someone out to repair it was over 3 weeks out.

In the meantime I of course had to do the dishes by hand and I found that I actually liked doing them by hand better! I always had every pan, bowl and implement clean and ready for use whenever I wanted to use them. No more stopping to remove a dirty pan from the DW to wash it by hand. And no more having to unload and put away dishes an hour and a half after Iíd finished dinner and have to disrupt my evening after getting comfortable watching a movie or show. Leaving them until the next morning doesnít work for someone OCD like me, plus I donít like to start my day with work, I want to read the paper while I have my breakfast and tea.

And I found that the whole process of doing the dishes by hand was oddly calming. While waiting for the DW to be repaired we had family over for Easter dinner and even doing all the dishes for lots of people and a big holiday meal wasnít a deterrent.

After the DW was repaired I decided to just keep on doing the dishes by hand and I like it so much better! I wash and David dries and puts them away. Its a pleasant ritual that we both enjoy. And it takes all of 10 mins or less using about 2-3 gals of water. I donít let the water run only turn it on very low to rinse and I let the rinse water go into the dishwashing side of the sink. By starting out with only 2Ē of hottest water in the sink washing the cutlery first, then the glassware, next plates and the bowls pot and pans this way I use a minimal amount of water to save water. When Iím finished there are maybe 6Ē of hot soapy dishwater in the sink, which I then use to clean the stove top and wipe down the counters. I save this water to wash the dessert, coffee and tea dishes later on to save water.

I also took the garbage disposal out too a few years before starting to wash the dishes by hand, we compost instead.

I use the DW to store the dish draining rack and drainboard and the coffee can we use for the compost, so I still use the DW, just not for its intended purpose.

I know most members here think Iím crazy as a crap house rat. But at age 71 Iím entitled to my do it my way.

Eddie



Post# 1156660 , Reply# 24   8/11/2022 at 19:02 by Stan (Napa CA)        
Eddie

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After reading that Iím glad I never had one!
We kind of do the same thing but I just have one big old sink
(reason for the dishpan)
Dinner clean up is shared. When cooking I have dishpan filled with ďhotĒ sudsy water and clean as I go.
That way thereís not much to do after dinner. I try my best to save water too, but sounds like you have it down to exact Science.
I donít compost Per se
Scraps are separatedÖsome for the chickens and the rest go in news paper or whatever I can find and taken straight to the alley garbage can. The rats can have whatís left. LOL


Post# 1156707 , Reply# 25   8/12/2022 at 06:57 by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Interesting issue - and one that is definitely very personal with no single correct answer for everyone. I grew up without a dishwasher until 1975. So my mother had to do dishes three times a day and when there was a holiday dinner, that was another production altogether. I can see both sides - when I am alone I don't use many dishes so it makes sense to keep up daily by doing them by hand. Right now, though, I have my sister living with me. She is a first class slob who believes every drink of water and every snack needs a new dish or glass- and not paper or plastic. Also, since she has limited mobility I'm the one doing the dishes after every meal, not to mention cleaning up after her constantly, shopping and preparing all meals. So for now, it's the dishwasher.

For larger groups (dinner parties, holidays, etc..) it's definitely the dishwasher. I'm not a big fan of washing tons of water and wine glasses by hand and that's where the dishwasher excels. Glasses are hard to get perfect by hand...

By contrast, one of my friends (a self professed genius, engineer and OCD) has never used a dishwasher. He claims to have "invented" a foolproof process that results in dishes as clean as a dishwasher gets them, using much less water and in a fraction of the time. That would normally be fine but he uses his platform to "dishwasher shame" his friends into hand washing and his results don't pan out. On several occasions I have had to eject him from my kitchen during a group dinner for starting to unload the dishwasher and wash things by hand. And his "foolproof" process is only correct on two counts - speed and water saving. As OCD as he is about everything (his house and yard are immaculate), I have never had dinner at his house where I didn't need to wash a glass before using it. When I point it out to him, I am being a "drama queen". Sorry, but I refuse to drink from a glass with someone else's lip prints on it.
So while there is no one correct answer for all, my only non negotiable is immaculate drink ware...


Post# 1156721 , Reply# 26   8/12/2022 at 10:53 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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I donít blame you for not wanting to drink out of glasses with someone else's lip prints on the rim, thats nasty.
I use an old fashioned waffle weave cotton dish cloth when I wash the dishes, a fresh one daily. I go over EVERY surface of EACH item Iím washing with the dish cloth to be certain that nothing is missed.

Since I grew up without a DW and didnít have one until I was 36 years old Iím well schooled in proper dishwashing technique. Some younger people that have never been without a DW may not have the skill set to wash dishes properly by hand, but it can be learned.

Everyones different, but I can assure you my kitchen and everything in it is spotless. I donít like anything to be dirty. When I still used the DW I almost always had to hand wash at least one or two things that hadnít gotten clean enough to suit me.

Eddie




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Post# 1156790 , Reply# 27   8/13/2022 at 00:35 by SudsMaster (California)        

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I hate washing dishes.
 
Back in the 60's in SF, radio station KYA had a DJ named Ed Hider. His thing was to intersperse music with humorous clips he'd collected from God Knows Where. One of my favorites was the one with the sound of dishes breaking and a woman screaming, "I hate washing dishes!" over and over. Somewhere I might have a tape of that, but it might have been lost when I played it back in a funky recorder. But I did make a little loop of it to play in unusual locations. One such was in a set of caves we used to frequent. The tourist reactions were priceless.
 


Post# 1157174 , Reply# 28   8/17/2022 at 09:02 by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I, too, have been washing more dishes by hand. I like to get done and not wait on the 2 hour dishwasher, then have to go back and unload. I still use the dishwasher when Im baking or cooking a lot but since I live alone, I have to save up enough dishes for a full load and that takes nearly a week, and then the dishwasher gets odorous!!! Itís just easier and faster to wash them and be done with it.

A good top shelf dish soap is worth its weight in gold. I did find that a few lower-or-middle-shelf dish soaps can leave an unpleasant aroma on the dishes, and you have to use a lot to cut the grease. Ivory can smell like a wet dog, and those soaps that are ďseasonalĒ, ie. pumpkin spice smelling etc. is just weird. Palmolive has a strong disinfectant scent, that too can linger on dishes.

As for laundry Iíve been washing more in just warm water and getting better results. Think they have reformulated the detergents. Someone had observed the same results and posted. Itís hard to not use hot water on whites though, just learned behavior.

Barry


Post# 1157233 , Reply# 29   8/17/2022 at 21:07 by SudsMaster (California)        
Sudsy bath towels

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Yesterday I ran a load of bath sheets, and although I added far less detergent (Kirkland Ultra Plus liquid) than usual, the suds wouldn't go away. Finally I had to run almost 10 rinses in order to bring the suds down to a manageable level.

This is in a Neptune 7500.

The next load I run (I wash ~ 1/2 the total number each time) I won't add any detergent. We'll see.


Post# 1157343 , Reply# 30   8/19/2022 at 02:14 by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
What's best???

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When to wash towels in cold, hot, or warm water

As earlier stated, towels are meant to be washed in cold or warm water.

But, does this mean that we are never to use hot water on our towels?

Surely you must have come across a label on some towels that reads “hot water-friendly,” what then do they mean? 

 

There are specific times when you might have to choose a different water temperature like hot water for instance, over the ideal cold or warm.

Hot water is perfect for your towels to get soaked in when they are extremely dirty and heavily infested with germs and bacteria. 

How do you know your towel is contaminated with germs?

Various research has proven that a bath towel most especially, is home to over 80% of bacteria and disease-causing germs.

The more you use a towel without washing it, the more germs you collate, and the more the towel fibers are rendered useless. 

When your towels get to this point, what it needs goes far beyond just a cold or warm water wash. At this point, the towels are actually yearning to be rejuvenated. 

Hot water helps in loosening the fibers by softening the ingrained dirt clogging the pores. Asides from that, it kills the bacteria and germs and expels that damp odor.

On the other hand, cold water is perfect for a first wash and subsequent weekly wash.

It is advised that you wash new towels before even using them. This you are to do with cold water and a very tiny amount of detergent.

Cold water easily removes every form of dust or debris and wash towels clean. 

Warm water can be used to treat towels periodically and rid them of day-to-day bacteria.

 

 

Tide Hygienic Clean and Bounce every third washing.

 

 

 



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Post# 1157354 , Reply# 31   8/19/2022 at 08:39 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Being that 99.9% of my towels are white or colorfast, there's no logical reason to wash them in a separate cold-water load when they can all go together with the accumulated load of all the kitchen cloths and towels, socks, and other white cottons in hot water.† Less water usage is involved for a single LARGE load vs. multiple small loads.


Post# 1157357 , Reply# 32   8/19/2022 at 09:06 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Who wrote that article Larry posted? It sounds like something written either by a computer, or by a foreign person without good understanding of the English language. That's a very strange usage of the word "collate" - I think "collect" is the more appropriate word. Collate means to collect, sort, and assemble in a particular order - something that doesn't happen with germs in a towel.

I wonder who such a piece of information is aimed at? They must think their readers are total idiots. It's common sense to wash a new towel before use. Towels "yearning" to be be rejuvenated? That's a new one on me!


Post# 1157358 , Reply# 33   8/19/2022 at 09:39 by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Tom,

let's just say it is a third-party Amazon link.

We must take this article with a grain of salt and march to our own drummer's beat.

 

Tauwel.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.

 


Post# 1157375 , Reply# 34   8/19/2022 at 13:28 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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The more plush a towel is, the more care one has to give them to keep them fluffy.

That tends to mean not using hot water, not using to much fabric softener, and making sure to dry them in a tumble dryer vs. air drying.

Certain sheet set will quickly deteriorate if you wash in hot water...I've learned from experience.


Post# 1160371 , Reply# 35   9/25/2022 at 10:42 by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        
more on this

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now I'm in the group

new T shirts I got have to be washed in cold water

no fabric softener

Are they kidding

T shirts are worn next to the skin you have to wash them in warm or hot water

or cold water and ludicrous amounts of detergent oxy clean snowy bleach or some such rubbish

and wash them for ludicrous amounts of time



Post# 1160373 , Reply# 36   9/25/2022 at 11:03 by appnut (TX)        

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I've learned that most likely so much indicates being washed in cold water is to avoid liability due to shrinkage or other "damage" to fabrics. Most people don't give a tought about approaching laundry. They just toss clothes in the machine, throw in some chemicals, and push a button that gives them the same settings repeatedly. I recently bought a new set of towels. Instructions said wash cold; gentle cycle tumble dry low. I washed them in luke warm water dried on medium when I brought them home. After using them for the first time I upped the wash temp to about 130F and dried on medium high. the last time I washed them the hot temep was about 140. No issues whatsoever.

Post# 1160874 , Reply# 37   10/2/2022 at 00:32 by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra SeŮora de Los Angeles de Porciķncula)        

Los angeles, California....

In my laundry room hot means HOT.

I cook my clothes (towels, whites and light colors) in freaking hot
Blacks and darks, eventually, warm (depending on what loads im washing together, it deplets the water from my heater before it has a chance to recover).

Wool or anything extremely delicate, ok, i may consider a cold wash.


And regarding rinses.... if I see a tiny bubble when the asher is draining in the laundry sink, that is an extra rinse (or 2 or 15) before the final rinse with a capful of downy april fresh.


Post# 1160891 , Reply# 38   10/2/2022 at 07:25 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
cold washing

Cold washing will never go away. Nothing has changed.

Post# 1161125 , Reply# 39   10/4/2022 at 15:38 by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        
bump

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I bought some Hanes t shirts and the label says cold water

you have to wash things like these in warm water at least as they are worn next to the skin and get everything on them and in them


Post# 1161548 , Reply# 40   10/11/2022 at 09:31 by kd12 (Arkansas)        

Looking at today's POD (10/11) for the Maytag A902 it's interesting that only Bright Colors called for a cold wash in the washing instructions. I'm not sure how "bright" my gray t-shirts are but they all call for cold-wash only. Also boxers call for cold wash and briefs call for warm wash, regardless of color. I just ignore this whole "use cold-wash only" stupidity that certain interests are calling for and just go with what the clothing tag says. Also have to put a plug in for Cheer. Used to use Tide years ago, and it seems Cheer lives up to its old All Tempa-Cheer tagline. Gets clothes cleaner for me than Tide did in all wash temperatures, and smells better too. I think the brand of detergent you are using really does matter for cold vs warm wash emps.


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