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Post# 1157181   8/17/2022 at 10:43 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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So my 1957 picture-window KitchenAid dishwasher after 15 years of use has developed a leak so off to the basement it goes for a few months for a complete overhaul.

As a "temp" I just found this never used, still in it's box Bottom of Line Whirlpool dishwasher from 1985/1986. I will be fun to use for a few months and then off it goes as it doesn't go in my kitchen. At least there is no woodgrain on it! All I saw in the FB Marketplace posting was a picture of the box so I had absolutely no idea what was on the inside. I brought it home and ran it's first load last night. Everything came out clean albeit a noisy little machine with minimal outside sound insulation.


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Post# 1157182 , Reply# 1   8/17/2022 at 10:50 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Best I can say about it that it blends in. lol. But white on white in your kitchen, it must be a first.

Good luck with bringing the KitchenAid back to life.


Post# 1157185 , Reply# 2   8/17/2022 at 11:13 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Noisy is an understatement I'll bet.

Post# 1157187 , Reply# 3   8/17/2022 at 11:51 by turquoisedude (.)        

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And it'll still outclean anything you'd bring home NIB from Home Depot today....   The control panel is soooo classic Whirlpool, too!


Post# 1157208 , Reply# 4   8/17/2022 at 15:51 by qsd-dan (West)        
WHAT?!?!

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Robert installed a dishwasher with more than one wash arm?

Just when I thought I saw it all! 🤣


Post# 1157217 , Reply# 5   8/17/2022 at 19:16 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
Exciting.

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It's probably not absolue BOL given the fact that it is W-o-W and it also looks like it has interchangeable color panels for the front.(?)

If I remember correctly the absolute BOL would have had a black plastic control panel with a aluminum control panel insert and it only came in white with a preformed aluminum lower access panel and the knob would have been chrome with a black center. The rest would most likely be the same.

Yes, classic performer from Whirlpool. I've no doubt they made millions of these and a significant percentage of new apartments, condos, and starter homes built in the 70s into the 90s had a version of this.

Does it have the rear wheels Robert, to make it easier to install?
I also like the Whirlpool door latch. It's so simple yet affective. No clunky slide bar like a Kenmore or GE, and no lift up handle like a KA.

Robert with that plastic door.... it would be much easier to cut a window into this, just saying.

And maybe you could do a little experiment with a decibel meter app on your phone. Find the reading with it as is installed.
Then get some spray foam, take the DW outside and apply your own custom sound insulation blanket. Once it's reinstalled test it again and see what the difference is.



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Post# 1157220 , Reply# 6   8/17/2022 at 19:36 by qsd-dan (West)        
no lift up handle like a KA

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Post# 1157222 , Reply# 7   8/17/2022 at 19:55 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Trust me if it wasn't brand new in the box it wouldn't have come anywhere near this house much less get installed in the Kitchen. Nothing like the smell of a brand new 38 year old dishwasher. It will make a good temp however and I don't have to rush to fix the KitchenAid. Love the blue racks however, blue racks are a thing of the past for sure. Capacity wise it's about the same as the Roto-rack as the center tube in the lower rack does reduce it a bit.

Robert installed a dishwasher with more than one wash arm?
Does the upper spray tube in the '65 Lady Kenmore Roto-rack count Dan lol???

also looks like it has interchangeable color panels for the front.(?)
No it's just one thin sheet metal panel without any color changes. No rear wheels either, just four leveling legs.

It's probably not absolue BOL given the fact that it is W-o-W
I'm positive it is absolute BOL. Here is the entire 1980 line of Whirlpool dishwashers and my 1985 matches the bottom of the line 1980 machine with the exception of the colors and knob.


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Post# 1157224 , Reply# 8   8/17/2022 at 20:03 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
lol

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Oh I'm sorry Dan. For what it's worth I also dissed my babe - Kenmore.

I like the KA handle better than the slide locks. It is like a step up and reminds me of lifting the door handle and opening the door to a 1984 Lincoln towncar, Grand Marquis, or Crown Vic. Solid.

Yet the Whirlpool easy press handle is almost Tesla-esque.

See what I'm saying here? It's just different worlds.

Don't even get me started in analyzing how far over the tracks the GE and Kenmore slide handles were.




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Post# 1157225 , Reply# 9   8/17/2022 at 20:04 by qsd-dan (West)        

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"Does the upper spray tube in the '65 Lady Kenmore Roto-rack count Dan lol???"

1.25....Ok, maybe 1.5 wash arms but even that's pushing it 🙃


Post# 1157226 , Reply# 10   8/17/2022 at 20:12 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WOW BOL 1986 WP DW

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Hi Robert, this should do the job well, but once I got used to the power-clean pump system and temperature hold in the main wash I would never want to permanently go back to one of these.

 

However when you get done with it I would like to buy it from you to replace one of my DU8000XR PC machines, I would put a PC pump in it along with the controls from mine and the in door silverware basket, mine are showing some water after 35+ years of use.

 

John L.

 

The main door panel should flip over to black.


Post# 1157227 , Reply# 11   8/17/2022 at 20:18 by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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That dishwasher will clean very well. I had one in a condo my ex and I were renting. Yeah its a bit noisy but this dishwasher can move a good amount of water thru that wash system , like 50 gallons per minute. It does not heat the water or maintain water temps. The silverware basket is a ample in size if I recall right and granted it isn't in the door but this dishwasher will hold a good sized load. The cycles are not long either. As long as your water heater temp is set at 140F and the run is short to the dishwasher it will do well.
Where I lived in Maine where the condo was, Portland's water came from Sebego Lake and was naturally soft so there was no need for rinse aid to be used. I dont know how the water conditions are there but I am assuming if its anything like Chicago's a rinse aid is needed. Here in Florida a rinse aid is definitely needed.


Post# 1157228 , Reply# 12   8/17/2022 at 20:24 by qsd-dan (West)        

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No worries Bradford, I was just giving you a hard time.

Dig the 80's box Towncars. Parts are getting hard to find for them though, especially the TBI ones from '80-'85. I remember when these could be had in the mid 2000's for $3k-$4k with low miles and in pristine condition. Not anymore!


Post# 1157229 , Reply# 13   8/17/2022 at 20:26 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
Look at the model line up in #7

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Do you see any door handles/latches/grab bars...anything? No. It's sleek. Just under the control panel in the center.

Back then it seems like Whirlpool was the only one with that kind of handle.


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Robert,
"Trust me if it wasn't brand new in the box it wouldn't have come anywhere near this house ..."
We wouldn't expect anything less.
When reports start coming through that you've taken to perusing the trade-ins in the back alley of the Lowes store we'll know it's time to pull the metaphoric plug on you.

"I'm positive it is absolute BOL."
Yes, I know functionally it was BOL. Back then, (I used to get the GE and Whirlpool appliance catalogs each year) with some models, usually the most BOL, they would offer it in different trim lines. GE used to do this with their most BOL gas stove too. Some would be standing pilot, some would have a light, some had a bottom drawer, some had two oven racks vs. one. But it was all the same model.

What I'm saying is you've got a more deluxe BOL model.


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Post# 1157230 , Reply# 14   8/17/2022 at 20:29 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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Here is a more BOL of the BOL, Robert.

You've got W-o-W. That was like TOL of the BOL.
lol



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The second from the top in the model line up in #7 was the dishwasher that they had in Mr. Mom.


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Post# 1157234 , Reply# 15   8/17/2022 at 21:08 by peteski50 (New York)        
Whirlpool!

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Robert Good Luck with this great find!


Post# 1157235 , Reply# 16   8/17/2022 at 21:08 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Reply # 11

 

Hi this DW does run the heater durning the washing and rinsing periods and does help maintain the water temperature, It does not do a thermostac hold however, but consider no Hobart KA ever did either and almost no Maytag ever did either.

 

John L.


Post# 1157260 , Reply# 17   8/18/2022 at 03:55 by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Nice dishwasher!

 

But that is one evil looking cookie jar.....surprised


Post# 1157272 , Reply# 18   8/18/2022 at 08:07 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I would put a PC pump in it

So John a Power Clean pump and related parts would fit in this machine's tub, all the mounting holes are exactly the same?


Post# 1157273 , Reply# 19   8/18/2022 at 09:01 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Robert, correct it just drops in you can even use the same wash arms or you can drop in the later PC pup and motor that has the extra filter under the lower wash arm.

 

I have the older system in both my DWs and they work great.

 

With the PC pump and motor you can add the tuning weight that takes all the motor hum out.

 

John L.


Post# 1157275 , Reply# 20   8/18/2022 at 10:35 by Jetaction (Minneapolis)        

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I had also seen that dishwasher as it's fun to search but have too much still already. I am glad you got it, love the white on white, ahead of its time!

Post# 1157276 , Reply# 21   8/18/2022 at 10:43 by peteski50 (New York)        
Whirlpool!

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I have this brochure from about 1985 my Aunt had the 5003 model PC what a great DW!
Is this BOL model similar to your model Robert?


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Post# 1157279 , Reply# 22   8/18/2022 at 11:34 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Thanks Peter!

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It's odd there is no sign of white on white in the brochure and the BOL control dial has a marking for light wash where as my machine has no extra cycle markings what so ever, just pull to start. Maybe my machine is a 1986 model?

As for the reversible color panel on the door I confirmed my suspicion that there is none. I pulled one of the side supports off and sure enough it is simply a white wrap around panel with no way to reverse that panel...


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Post# 1157285 , Reply# 23   8/18/2022 at 11:57 by peteski50 (New York)        
Whirlpool!

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Robert can you show a close up picture of the control dial?
Thanks


Post# 1157287 , Reply# 24   8/18/2022 at 12:07 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Sure Peter here you go...

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Post# 1157288 , Reply# 25   8/18/2022 at 12:11 by peteski50 (New York)        
Whirlpool!

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Thanks Robert that is the most basic!


Post# 1157289 , Reply# 26   8/18/2022 at 12:17 by peteski50 (New York)        
Whirlpool!

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This was my portable model 8700 I used for about 2 years was the best DW I ever had sorry I gave it up


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Post# 1157293 , Reply# 27   8/18/2022 at 15:13 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Congrats Robert! Yes it is a 1986 model built the 22nd week of 1986.

Post# 1157294 , Reply# 28   8/18/2022 at 15:29 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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When we moved into our home in ‘94 the DW was a BOL Whirlpool that the sellers bought in ‘91 when they moved into our unit. It was really a very good DW. It had an Almond front panel with a black control panel and bottom panel under the door. I didn’t realize until we’d been here for a while that the panels were changeable when I was cleaning the sides of the door. Underneath the Almond panel, separated by sheets of cardboard were both a black and also a white panel. Once I learned about this I would change them out just for the hell of it.

The only reason I got rid of this DW in 2000 was because the racks were rusting. Also it was pretty loud. But as DW’s go, if was very fast, completing a load in under an hour and cleaned better that the more expensive Maytag MOL that I replaced it with. And the Maytag’s racks began to rust as soon as it was out of warranty and it was just as loud as the WP that it replaced.

I think that this DW was a great find Robert. Sometimes simple is much better. Most people use only the basic cycle anyway. Plus with this DW you can set it to only rinse the dishes if you want, just by turning the dial.

Eddie


Post# 1157309 , Reply# 29   8/18/2022 at 21:01 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        

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It's great you've found this old NEW stock dishwasher. I don't know how you do it. You find amazing stuff. It's awesome.

 

We all can agree its solid BOL Whirlpool. It will perform great. And they made this dishwasher for several years.

I wonder if this might be slightly newer as the W-o-W, A-o-A, and B-o-B appliance trend didn't really start until the early 90s if I'm remembering correctly.  

Pic is from Fall 91 they still had colored appliances with the black control panels and trim but were starting to add W-o-W.  I'm not sure what the official perameters are.

 


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Post# 1157310 , Reply# 30   8/18/2022 at 21:05 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Roberts White WP DW

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Was built the 22nd week of 1986, it was meant to be an inexpensive model not a WOW machine although I did see a few of this model show up in all white kitchens in the next decade.

 

John L.


Post# 1157384 , Reply# 31   8/19/2022 at 16:35 by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

It's always amazing that there are treasures like this still out there waiting to be found. Glad it was able to go to home that is able to appreciate it!

Just an FYI on upgrading the pump, I upgraded my porcelain tank Ultra Wash to a second revision power clean pump and added the quiet tuned damper. The newer style thunderbolt arm will not work, it strikes the rack rails. On the plastic tank models, there are small cutouts for the wash arm in the rack rails. That being said, a 24 series Hydrosweep will work just fine in it.


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Post# 1157824 , Reply# 32   8/25/2022 at 10:00 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The photo in the kitchen was actually a bit shocking.

Should pull out the sheet metal panels and spray them pink or turquoise!


Post# 1162960 , Reply# 33   10/31/2022 at 21:19 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Buzzzz the NOS dishwasher is now dead! Barely 70 days use and today the motor just hums and in about 2 seconds cuts out on the motor protector. I suspect it's the motor relay. Does anyone know if a Kitchenaid DW or GE washer motor relay will work in this machine? I'm making an assumption that this DW has an external motor relay I haven't gone in an looked yet.

If it's not the relay then the motor is locked up for some reason, although I kind of doubt that is the problem.


Post# 1162962 , Reply# 34   10/31/2022 at 21:53 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Likely has a locked up or stuck motor, relay is in console but is not likely bad, I have boxes of them if you want me to send one.

 

Carefully try turning the fan inside the bottom of motor to see if it is locked up, you can use an Allen wrench if you want.

 

Might be time to up-grade to a Power-Clean module.

 

John L.


Post# 1162963 , Reply# 35   10/31/2022 at 21:58 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Thanks John will do, I'll try to get the motor turning via the fan tomorrow and will report back. I'm really surprised the motor/pump would be locked up already with such little use.

Post# 1162970 , Reply# 36   11/1/2022 at 05:37 by chetlaham (United States)        
Gorgeous! <3

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I love, love love simple machines like this! Especially when they are as well built as this machine.


It is possible this model was a builder or contract model. I know GE offered various BOL machines in bulk to home builders that could not be purchased by consumers. Could also be a custom model for a particular store as when price matching was/is involved.


I'm with John, I'm tempted to say you should install a power clean module. The filtration and particle disposal is next level. And yes, I remember that metal tuner in Kenmore machines.

Question- is the wiring diagram and cycle sequence pasted to the inner door? ;)

Keep us up to date on this machine, I like it! <3


Post# 1162981 , Reply# 37   11/1/2022 at 14:18 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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So I investigated this issue. John I could not find any motor fan at the bottom of this square motor however when I had the motor out I found a water slinger on top of the motor that I could have tested turning the rotor shaft with. So first I took off the spray arm and diffuser and the motor started to work again. There was nothing unusual like foreign waste under the diffuser so I'm not sure what was going on.

What confused me about the diffuser is it seems to have three parts the main diffuser top, a disk below that is aligned by little plastic dowel pins and a round rubber seal. It seems the plastic disk just sits under diffuser top and is not securely connected to the diffuser dowel pins same with the ring seal. I ended up having to take the motor out to reinstall the diffuser assembly because I couldn't turn it down without the disk and seal falling out and not being properly aligned. I did get it all back together and ran a test load, the first wash, rinse and second wash went just fine, it drained after the second wash and the motor was locked up again for the 1st rinse.

I have no idea what is causing the motor to lock up. But now I can barely turn the shaft via the water slinger now. I suspect something in that diffuser may be defective.

Update to thread: I just took the diffuser off again and took some pictures. Pict 1 shows that disk is stuck to the impeller preventing it from turning. Pict 2 and 3 shows the three parts. In Pict 3 you can see how the impeller has scraped up the bottom of the disk. I'm pretty sure that disk is not supposed to separate from the housing. I looked up the part number 301559 and that doesn't come up anywhere. I wonder if I can bond the disk to the housing?



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Post# 1163011 , Reply# 38   11/1/2022 at 19:53 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Neat problem

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That white desk that’s under the top housing is supposed to be permanently heat welded in place, it came loose and fused on to the wash impeller.

 

Never saw this happen before that’s the fun thing about this business is always something unusual that you see every week.

 

Robert you can either glue or refuse it back together or I can send you the entire top of the pump assembly we have lots of them laying around I never saw nothing Anything ever happened to one, at least until you got one lol

 

John L




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Post# 1163018 , Reply# 39   11/1/2022 at 20:23 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
John

Its kind of like a Maytag washer no one ever has any problems with them...ive never had one yet that would wash right.


Post# 1163021 , Reply# 40   11/1/2022 at 20:44 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Thanks John, yeah I used JB Plastic weld on the where the disk meets the dowels so hopefully that will solve the problem permanently. Thanks as always for the info and offer of a good used one!

Question just out of sheer curiosity would a power clean module fit in a 69 Whirlpool?



Post# 1163025 , Reply# 41   11/1/2022 at 20:59 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Wheel of power clean pump module fit a 1969 whirlpool dishwasher.

No unfortunately that was the last year of the larger diameter pump the power clean module would fit back to a 1970 however.

John L


Post# 1163634 , Reply# 42   11/11/2022 at 10:58 by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
speechless

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A 1980's appliance existing in Robert's stable??

Now the Rock of Gibraltar has really moved!




Post# 1165725 , Reply# 43   12/5/2022 at 21:49 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Dishwashers peaked in performance, longevity and reliability in the 1980s. If I had to choose any DWs from any decade it would hands down be the 80s.


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