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Thread Number: 91244
/ Tag: Other Home Products or Autos
More internet insanity - This time about vac'ing carpets. |
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Post# 1157557 , Reply# 1 8/21/2022 at 17:32 (613 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1157567 , Reply# 4 8/21/2022 at 19:30 (613 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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The best
Is a top fill VENTED Central vacuum with a dual voltage electric hose and power nozzle for carpets.
Portable vacuums can't compare to the suction that a central vacuum can produce. Most importantly is the health benefits of having the exhaust vented OUTSIDE. You want all those fine dust particles, carpet-off gassing, and odors OUTSIDE your home envelope. If you have allergies this will go a long way to help alleviate those symptoms. Even if one lives in a home not plumbed for a CV system, finding a way to make it work so it's vented outside is worth the effort. | ||
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Post# 1157569 , Reply# 5 8/21/2022 at 19:42 (613 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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The most ridiculous thing I've seen in recent years are these people who claim they don't like vacuuming, and they've pulled all their stretched carpeting out, or they've built a new home and put in these fakey (often gray) laminate floors
And they have like 3 shedding dogs. OMG. Like they think having a hard surface floors doesn't require cleaning. Sorry, that's not how it works. All floors need to be cleaned. Sweeping is not affective and those battery operated things suck up some of the dirt and expel the fine dust particles right up just a few inches from your nose. How convenient. Installed carpeting is great at sound absorption and it holds dirt in place until the carpet can be properly cleaned. Hard surface flooring allows dirt to become airborne again and actually makes allergies worse. The noise and echo from rooms that don't have proper carpeting is unlivable. | ||
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Post# 1157576 , Reply# 7 8/21/2022 at 20:03 (612 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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The "expert" | ||
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Post# 1157581 , Reply# 8 8/21/2022 at 20:23 (612 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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I much prefer the weight of the Kirby, it "digs" into the carpet and gets the dirt out like nothing I've used. I've used a few power head units and they just don't have the heft to push into the pile of the carpet, without that it does not matter how much suction you have. | ||
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Post# 1157583 , Reply# 10 8/21/2022 at 20:44 (612 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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My advise is based on years of experience with the wonderful products and innovations that others have created for us all to enjoy. Specifically vacuums related herein. I've repaired numerous vacuums in the past, installed central vacuum systems, and have even experimented building my own vacuums so I do know how they work.
The original intent of the central vacuum invention was great for sure though over the years the technology hasn't always been so user friendly as it has been in the last 20-30 years. It is true that there are only about 3 brands of power nozzles that are high quality and a person really only needs one. But a beat-bar floor attachment that's working is better than NO such floor attachment, I think we can agree. Other than that GREG, you're more than welcome to IM me if you have other questions not related to this thread. You can also create a post in the Dirty Laundry section and please don't clutter up Roberts forums with inappropriate attacks, petty jealousy, or whatever it is you've got going on toward me. | ||
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Post# 1157585 , Reply# 11 8/21/2022 at 20:54 (612 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Carpeting is not indestructible by a vacuum.
If one were to put a operating power nozzle in one spot and just leave it there the beater bar would damage the carpet by literally breaking the yarns off in little pieces until there is a noticeable spot on the carpet where the yarns are missing. Hurrying over vacuuming isn't good either because dirt that is left in the carpet to pile up will act like little sharp edge knives and cut at the carpet fibers. This is especially true of sand and gravel. Sand is after all miniature rock. | ||
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Post# 1157586 , Reply# 12 8/21/2022 at 21:19 (612 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Kirby
Nothing personal...
They are too heavy, too loud, made of metal, over powered, have highly questionable sales tactics, impractical, and over priced. Their carpet shampoo attachment is a total joke. Like most other over priced vacuums you can often find used or slightly used ones on the likes of Ebay or Craigslist for $50 to $150. If you take a vacuum with too strong of suction and an aggressive beater bar brush that vacuum will break up the fibers of whatever it's vacuuming and the "dirt" it creates will actually be the fibres of the item vacuumed rather than actual dirt. Kirby has special sales tools that are a type of filter they slide into the machine, they run a few passes, then pull out the filter and show it to the customer so they can say "see how affective it is". I went to an interview once in 2010 at a Kirby wheel-dealer. The owner was so slippery. | ||
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Post# 1157588 , Reply# 14 8/21/2022 at 22:27 (612 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Some people profess to be a "Jack of all trades", but you know what they say about that! | ||
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Post# 1157592 , Reply# 15 8/21/2022 at 23:53 (612 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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 When I bought this home it 1997, it had wall-to-wall green carpeting of different types. Mostly that awful faux textured look (1970s?), but also some shag like WTW nonsense.
After purchase but before moving in, I took a month off my job, ripped out all the carpeting, sanded, stained, and finished those floors with hardwood underneath, and installed laminate fake wood flooring the one room (master bedroom) with just plywood below.
In the living room I eventually installed a nice thin area carpet inherited from my dearly departed mother. It does currently need vacuuming, but I try to go easy on it.
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Post# 1157593 , Reply# 16 8/21/2022 at 23:57 (612 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1157595 , Reply# 17 8/22/2022 at 00:10 (612 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Matt it sounds like you got a great deal and I'm glad you're happy with your Kirby's and the Hoover Spirit.
I remember when the Spirit first came out. I bought one of the bol orange model with money I saved from my paper route when I was 12 in 1983. (similar picture.)
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| Post# 1157605 , Reply# 18 8/22/2022 at 01:52 (612 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Since I have Kirby’s in my collection and yes vacuum cleaners are another interest of mine, I usually will go over the same spot 4 times since that’s what Kirby recommended with the 1935 Kirby 1C I read in the comments section on a YouTube awhile back. I always have good results going over the same spot 4 times along with overlapping my strokes and it might take a little longer but always get a lot of dirt off the floor since when I go to empty the bag on my 1965 Kirby Dual Sanitonic 50, I pretty much will fill the small plastic bag I put under the emptor to catch and dispose of the contents from the bag.
Believe it or not, airflow is what actually picks the dirt off of the floor, not suction. Suction is merely a negative pressure and since suction is not a movement of air, you won’t pick up anything off of the floor. That’s why carpets in most homes that have a low airflow machine look trashed after a few years since there still tons of dirt left in the carpet which is simply unhygienic. Most people think their Dyson or Shark stick vacuum is going to deep clean their carpets and or rugs but again there’s not much airflow which means you aren’t going to get the carpets or rugs properly cleaned. A lot of people like to debate about bagged vs bagless vacuums and there are some bagless vacuums that are decent for what they are but I tend to favor bagged vacuums more since you don’t have to empty the dirt every time you are don’t using it along with replacing filters on a yearly basis. Bagged vacuums are just easier to deal with since you don’t need to empty the dirt out every time you are done using it and there’s no worries about replacing filters on a yearly basis. Some people like to complain about how you have to buy bags for bagged vacuums but if you have are least 6 bags and each one lasts 2 months, that will last at least 1 year easily. People tend to fall for Dyson’s marketing on how “bagged vacuums loose suction” and that was true with vacuum bags back in the 60’s 70’s 80’s and 90’s but most vacuum bags were only single layer (mainly Hoover) that tended clog with fine dust but since vacuum bags were multiple layers and were HEPA from the 2000’s and on, bagged vacuums don’t have the issues with loosing suction like the single layer bags of many years ago. Simply upgrading to bags with multiple layers or HEPA will improve the cleaner abilities of a bagged vacuum. | ||
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Post# 1157671 , Reply# 22 8/23/2022 at 13:40 (611 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Exhaust
Vacuums don't just expel dusty air.
They also expel chemical off-gassing that carpeting does A LOT of. And biological contaminants. and just general stink. and heat. and 100% of all dust regardless of what type of bag one uses. When you exhaust outside you can use a simple $2 CV paper bag and change it every month if you want. A hepa bag is woven plastic. They are expensive, don't break down well, and don't trap all those things mentioned above. An exhaust hole through a wood framed exterior wall can be done with a simple Walmart bit and a cordless drill. Then just slide a piece of CV pipe through and cap with a 90" facing down. CLICK HERE TO GO TO bradfordwhite's LINK
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Post# 1157672 , Reply# 23 8/23/2022 at 13:47 (611 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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J.F.Y.I.
Rainbow is really not a healthy option. The worst is when people don't take all the pieces apart after each use, rinse them all off, let them dry....and it starts growing mold inside the machine. Then the next time one uses it, it spits out thousands of mold spores. But even when those are working as they were intended, tests have shown they don't trap dust like they advertise. | ||
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Post# 1157677 , Reply# 24 8/23/2022 at 16:00 (611 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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A Hepa filter is only as good as it is sealed throughout the air channels and mounting. . If it's not sealed well then dirty air is going to bypass it.
The best vacs I've ever used have always been the full size Hoovers and Eureka's with their full size brushrolls and beater bars. The older Royals were also very good along with Kirby's. Any of the new vacs with those skinny brushrolls, even my expensive Miele allervac cannot deep clean a carpet nor can it handle long dog air. | ||
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Post# 1157707 , Reply# 27 8/24/2022 at 00:31 (610 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re: Reply#23
When I married David he had a Rainbow that he loved. We used it all the time and never had any problem with mold. And we never left it open to dry out or put any of the reservoir into the dishwasher, we didn’t have one then. We just rinsed it out with fresh water and wiped it dry with paper towels. Just because some dissatisfied Rainbow owner posts a YT and says it spits out mold spores doesn't make it so. There’s plenty of opinions on YT that aren’t necessarily so.
We sold it for $200, along with several other household possessions in order to come up with the $2500 down payment plus the closing costs on the FHA loan for our first condo. David misses it to this day. It was one of his most prized possessions. The first really expensive thing he’d ever bought for himself. The day we closed escrow we had exactly $250 left over from the money we’d saved for the closing costs. We went right to Macy’s from the title company and bought a new Eureka canister with a power head with that $250. This was in 1987. You could say that the Rainbow helped us to become homeowners and provide a secure retirement for us. People that own Rainbow vacuums swear by them. We used to just fill it with water and let it run in the middle of the house for awhile the freshen the air and it really did make the air smell cleaner. And you could actually see the dust and dirt that it captured from the air in the water when we emptied it out, even though we hadn’t vacuumed the floors, just cleaned the air with it. We now have a Miele C1 compact canister with a Turbo head and David really loves it. It does an excellent job on our plush pile off white WW carpet. Its light ,maneuverable and has really powerful suction. He does all the house cleaning and prefers a canister, especially because we have stairs and venetian blinds which he dusts with the Miele. Eddie | ||
| Post# 1157711 , Reply# 28 8/24/2022 at 02:16 (610 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
Eddie 
I have a friend that has two rainbow vacuums that she’s had for years..she’s in her 80s now and still uses them.
She always empties and washes out after each use. She swears by them. Here’s a pic of my old Compact. (I was taking it apart to deep clean it) I don’t have carpet and my vacuum doesn’t have a beater just a attachment for floor and one for carpet. The bag can be taken out and the hose reversed..turns into a leaf blower or a hairdryer LOL Good enough for me.
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Post# 1157895 , Reply# 29 8/26/2022 at 02:03 (608 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 1157935 , Reply# 30 8/26/2022 at 15:20 (608 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 1157937 , Reply# 31 8/26/2022 at 15:37 (608 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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I can't imagine how a rug can get to this state.
Bonus, he's easy on the eyes too.
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Post# 1157965 , Reply# 32 8/26/2022 at 22:57 (607 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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The rug in the video looks like it's been in a building that had a fire. My neighbor's furniture and carpeting looked like that after their basement fire. | ||
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Post# 1157968 , Reply# 33 8/26/2022 at 23:34 (607 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Yes, building fire or it's been dredged from the river where it sat a few years.
The hot thing on YT these days is people doing stuff like cleaning carpets or mowing lawns, or power washing, etc. Stuff that both teaches and is comforting in some way. The vid above is only a few weeks old and already has over half a mill views. This one's only 2 days old and has over 50K views. That's awesome money for them. | ||
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Post# 1158161 , Reply# 34 8/29/2022 at 03:01 (605 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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