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Whirlpool to expand offerings of removable agitator
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Post# 1162957   10/31/2022 at 20:05 (528 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

I guess the removable agitator was only exclusive to lowes but because of "good feedback from consumers" whirlpool is expanding this agitator to other models..... which made me chuckle for a minute.... who are these consumers that think this is so great? The 2 in 1 agitator is a JOKE! it does NOTHING!! Has anybody seen videos of it? It just angers me that these companies make these machines that are useless and the public just accepts it as normal. To think they had a good performing machine like the calypso (which washed great for an HE machine) to today in 2022 and we can't even make a machine that can turn over a load of socks and only spins at 700 rpm, back in 1950 frigidaire spun at 1100 rpm. It's like each year we regress and i see these machines get worse every passing year and it has nothing to do with water and energy standards because the calypso would still be able to pass all the standards in todays market. Anyone else feel the same way as i do? Thank heavens for the maytag mvp575gw, and the speed queen tc5 classic, but one would think that after all these years and as far as technology has come we would have something more than wash plates and agitators. We need a revolution in the laundry industry, a breakthrough wash action like calypso. Anyways, my rant is over, comment below. 😀


Post# 1163000 , Reply# 1   11/1/2022 at 16:24 (528 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

I really don't think Whirlpool gave its WP & KM Calypso machines a fair chance. It's true that there were engineering issues that needed to be corrected, but the concept was a winner. Good top-loading turnover without being a water guzzler or without trying to agitate clothing in a thimble-full of water with a shredpeller.

Post# 1163053 , Reply# 2   11/2/2022 at 11:03 (527 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Personally, I think the best top-loading HE design was...

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The Bravos, Oasis, and Cabrio designs with the floating basket. I think it was discontinued around 2014 in favor of a different design based on the VMW platform. VMax, I believe it is, someone like @DADoES would know more about that than I would. But those machines seemed to do a really good job with cleaning when they were that design and weren't very loud either. Wonder why they abandoned it for more of a VMW platform as I feel it's an inferior design.

Post# 1163054 , Reply# 3   11/2/2022 at 11:17 (527 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Whirlpool calypso washers

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While I love many things about the calypso washer and will always have one in my personal laundry room, the machine was doomed from the beginning it was way too expensive to build and too complicated, there was no way to bring the price down that’s why they only ever made a top-of-the-line version of it and they never put it in the commercial end because it wouldn’t hold up.

The whirlpool belt floating basket machines or neat machines but we’re prone to bearing failures and stock baskets they were also expensive to manufacture because of the large motor needed and use too much water compared to other high-efficiency top load designs.

The current whirlpool built top load washers are doing OK but that said I would never buy any new top load washer today none of them compete with the performance of a front loader and they’re all hard on clothing.

The idea of selling one of these washers with a removable post it’s just a sales gimmick, some people are just not satisfied with the impeller machines and they think if they can put an agitator post in it will work better , I expect this sales gimmick to be a short-lived thing.


Post# 1163055 , Reply# 4   11/2/2022 at 11:26 (527 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
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Good point about the bearing issues in the floating basket TL's I didn't think about that, but it actually did happen to my dad's washer a few years ago. I don't recall if he had it fixed or just got a new machine.

I also agree about modern top loaders, wouldn't have one period. When/if I can finally afford to buy new, I would probably have a Speed Queen FF7 or an LG 4000 series with turbo wash.

Post# 1163064 , Reply# 5   11/2/2022 at 15:20 (527 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

I totally agree, fisher and paykel bravos/cabrios had great blooming action and used enough water and some had a recirculation spray, which brings me to another point, every manufacturer as little as 5 years ago all started putting recirculation pumps, the GE HE top loaders even all had them in the gtw700 series machines, and yet in 2022 every manufacturer stopped putting recirculation pumps, i just don't get it. And another question i ask myself is why would whirlpool abandon the fisher and paykel design to make their own that does not even move clothes around, the cabrio vmw is really terrible, the washplate and agitation profiles move nothing, , and what really irks me is the prices of these machines have almost doubled in the past year, lets charge more but give less, pretty soon there will be nothing left it will just be a plastic tub made for just soaking overnight.

Post# 1163069 , Reply# 6   11/2/2022 at 16:11 (527 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
going to the laundromat

At this point, I'd be better off going to the laundromat if this is what Whirlpool is doing to their laundry line.

Post# 1163078 , Reply# 7   11/2/2022 at 17:23 (527 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Reply number five

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Hi, whirlpool never built a top load washer like a Fisher Paycal they did use their motor design and the floating basket design under license from them. Whirlpool is still using the direct drive motor design from Fisher Paycal in their higher and top load washers , The ones that don’t have a belt.


Recirculating water and a top load washer is not always a good idea, in the Calypso it caused bad streaking of lint and dirt, it will do the same in other top load washers this is why it has been abandoned. It’s very much like a spin drain automatics it forces the dirty water through the clothing.


Recirculation in a front load washer does not cause the same problem because the clothing keeps moving and the dirt will flush back out of it but on the top load washer it’s better to let the dirt settle into the outer tub where it will be drained away when it drains and spins


John L

Post# 1163131 , Reply# 8   11/3/2022 at 17:23 (526 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
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I personally have never had issues with my Calypso streaking dirt on my clothes. Lint can become a problem if I put towels in the mix but if I don't. It runs just fine. I'm currently using my Fisher&Paykel AquaSmart and the link below shows it turning over a heavy load of towels on HE Mode. I could have picked Conventional but it rolled over just fine. Towels are not usually that dirty anyway although I sometimes use conventional for Towels to flush out dirt and cleaning products from rags.


Post# 1163204 , Reply# 9   11/5/2022 at 00:41 (524 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

MaytagNeptune, i agree with you, i have had two different HE top load washers with a recirculation pump, my GE adora top load with smart dispense, GE called it "wash action waterfall" and i also had a whirlpool cabrio, i have two large golden lab dogs and i have never had any problems with lint with the recirculation pumps. I actually had less lint residue with top loaders that had a recirculation pump. Seems like a silly reason to me to get rid of recirculation pumps, i believe it's more because of cost cutting more than anything.

Post# 1163249 , Reply# 10   11/5/2022 at 22:36 (523 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
eliminating recirculation pumps

Eliminating recirculation pumps was the stupidest thing that Whirlpool and GE among others have ever done!

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