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Samsung recalls more than 660,000 washing machines after fire hazard reports
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Post# 1167321   12/23/2022 at 15:12 (487 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Strange my Kelvinator, Frigidaires, Apex, GEs and Horton's haven't had a recall!


Post# 1167322 , Reply# 1   12/23/2022 at 15:17 (487 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
samsung recall wonder why

I wonder why? Maybe because the washers you've outlined above were better built.

Post# 1167331 , Reply# 2   12/23/2022 at 16:51 (487 days old) by UltraWash (Charlotte, North Carolina )        

It doesnít surprise me that they would get recalled. This is the second recall on their washing machines if Iím not mistaken.

Post# 1167337 , Reply# 3   12/23/2022 at 17:15 (487 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Iím glad I donít own one. Cousin had a Samsung dishwasher and it didnít hold up. The way I look at it, the recalls can happen to any make and model. Had an expensive KA dishwasher that didnít even get 5 years use, kept burning out boards.


Post# 1167347 , Reply# 4   12/23/2022 at 18:17 (487 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Doesn't surprise me, they make the shittiest, most unreliable appliances in the industry. 

Post# 1167350 , Reply# 5   12/23/2022 at 18:21 (487 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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It says that the fix is a software update.

It would be interesting to know if the software is at fault (causing hardware to do things it shouldn't), or if the software is being used to work around or compensate for a hardware design issue.

Post# 1167352 , Reply# 6   12/23/2022 at 18:24 (487 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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I saw this on the news tonight and they said it applies to top load washers. I dont trust any of this new stuff!

Post# 1167370 , Reply# 7   12/23/2022 at 20:11 (487 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)        

Samsung to be avoided at all cost. I have spent many months in South Korea working at their facilities and have seen how this company operates from the inside. Totally unsurprising to hear about fires or other accidents due to cost-cutting or overstressing parts to make performance claims. 

Post# 1167374 , Reply# 8   12/23/2022 at 21:03 (487 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
This is why...

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Software does NOT belong on washers!

Washers are washers. Computers are computers. The two pieces of equipment do their jobs just fine, apart. They do not belong together. The two should not mix.

If the fix is a software update, shouldn't that be a clue that software does not belong on freaking washing machines?



Post# 1167377 , Reply# 9   12/23/2022 at 22:51 (487 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> If the fix is a software update, shouldn't that be a clue that software does not belong on freaking washing machines?

No, because for all we know the software could be working around hardware limitations, or even issues as a result of unforeseen ways the user is using the machine. Eliminating the software wouldn't eliminate the problem.

Post# 1167379 , Reply# 10   12/23/2022 at 23:00 (487 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> Washers are washers. Computers are computers. The two pieces of equipment do their jobs just fine, apart.

You'd be shocked at how much digital logic is in vintage laundry machines. The cam wheels inside mechanical timers are literally firmware, and you can re-program your machine by swapping them. There are multiple levels of conditional logic throughout, with the whole suite of binary inputs (fill sensors, lid/door/OOB, start, centrifugal, temperature, and cycle switches) and outputs (valves, lights, motors, heaters, bells and buzzers).

Post# 1167387 , Reply# 11   12/24/2022 at 00:25 (487 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Not a surprise to me, I knew it was (and still is) foolish to put electronics inside a washer where they are exposed to humidity etc. and can fail in a way where they machine wonít function anymore or will fail in such a way where itíll short circuit and catch fire. Usually you hear about dryers going up in flames do to lint build up inside the machine but now washers? Itís a world of pure ridiculousness with all this ďtechnologyĒ nonsense they put inside everything these days and people fall for it and believe itís new when in reality itís just something thatís been rehashed or purposely make it flashy and sleek and con you out of appliances you had for decades and once your old one is gone, you are are at the whim of the greedy appliance tycoons who donít give a darn about their customers.

Post# 1167397 , Reply# 12   12/24/2022 at 01:38 (487 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Can anyone legit picture 660-THOUSAND washing machines?




But you know they've probably made that many.  Not all at once but ....woah.

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Post# 1167400 , Reply# 13   12/24/2022 at 02:32 (487 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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At least that's just for the top loaders and not the front loaders. My uncle has the WF395BTPAWR/A2 front loader and I actually like that washer.

Post# 1167405 , Reply# 14   12/24/2022 at 06:14 (487 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Everyone on the inside knows semiconductor controls are a failed idea, burning up at end of life, its been admitted by the very manufacturing reps sitting on NFPA-70s code making panels.

Hence why appliances are now required to have AFCI and GFCI protection.

Post# 1167411 , Reply# 15   12/24/2022 at 07:47 (487 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Not too surprising. Our consumer magazine released it's latest test of washing machines. They buy three samples of each model they test and run them through 1.640 cycles. Both Samsung and LG failed, due to bearing failure and cracked concrete weights, respectively.

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Post# 1167419 , Reply# 16   12/24/2022 at 08:49 (487 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The era of top loading washers is over

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There is not a top loading washer built today that I would buy, you just canít make one energy efficient and still do a good job. Overall, even the Calypso that I like so much has significant limitations when you wash large items in it.

Even though we sell Speed Queen top loaders, I would not personally want one in my house.

The problem is not computers at all.

We have picked up three Maytag top loaders in the last two months on the scrap pile. Fancy models with glass lids made 2015 or later have not found a thing wrong with any of them, and can only conclude that people just donít like them, and they buy something else .

Yesterday I was working on a 1985 Maytag dryer for one of our customers she had had the matching washer and the damper failed and there was a small hole in the outer tub so she replaced it with a new Maytag top load or three months ago, but she canít stand the new washer.


Post# 1167420 , Reply# 17   12/24/2022 at 09:12 (487 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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BradfordWhite: Can anyone legit picture 660-THOUSAND washing machines?
That's a tiny fraction of the models and machines Samsung, or any major manufacturer, has produced.

Post# 1167425 , Reply# 18   12/24/2022 at 10:51 (487 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)        

All of this is so disappointing......  We all need to preserve the earlier models since that may be the only hope.

Post# 1167427 , Reply# 19   12/24/2022 at 11:09 (487 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Perhaps my wording was wrong...

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I guess what I mean is mechanical vs. electronic. Or if you are going to have electronics in your machine, subject them to rigorous testing and real-life scenarios before sending them out the door. I think quality control at Samsung must suck, because didn't they have some issues with washers literally exploding on the inside years ago? I thought I remember hearing something about that.

John, you are exactly correct. Top loaders made after 2010, sans Speed Queen, are terrible for the most part. Old TL's are fine, though admittedly not energy efficient as you said, new front loaders are good but the hybrid that is a HE TL just isn't a good washer. I've never had a great experience with one. There are budget TL's on the market today that do wash well but they last a pitifully short amount of time.

If I had to buy a new washer, I'd get a front load LG with turbo wash or a Speed Queen TC5 TL. Can't see myself being able to afford an SQ FL any time soon. But no washplate for me.


Post# 1167433 , Reply# 20   12/24/2022 at 12:35 (487 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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The biggest problem with appliances today is the price people will pay for it. Because people will buy a certain model because it is a dollar cheaper than another is the biggest driving factor. We are a niche market and far from the majority of appliance purchasers. There are many kitchens for example full of new appliances that are only there for looks and will never be used. In my experience with the majority of customers they want change often and really donít want to keep the same appliance for 40 + years.

As cited many times on this site alone folks think itís a great idea for a speed queen but are not willing or canít spend the money to purchase a great American built machine that will last. I for one will probably never buy a new appliance for the rest of my life but knowing what I know about speed queen if I didnít have the money I would finance a new pair if thatís what it took. Again most of us are appliance enthusiasts here and there just arenít enough of us for the manufacturers to build them the way we think they should but lucky for us we have this site and the wealth of information even for someone thatís never worked on one before to revive the machine for more years of dependable service doing the job being washing, drying, cooking, refrigerating, etc. the way we want them to.

Post# 1167447 , Reply# 21   12/24/2022 at 14:31 (486 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
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Melvin, very well said. For example, as a blind person I can't work on vintage appliances myself but I know enough about them that I can pay someone to do what I need them to, per my instruction.

For example, my brother-in-law isn't an appliance person per se but he is a tinkerer by nature so he has fixed many things in his household that would have otherwise been sent to the landfill. He and my sister have a direct drive Whirlpool, similar age to mine, that he restored several years ago and it's been in service since. He wasn't able to make it to me over the Christmas weekend like we had planned due to the cold/wind, but when the weather is better he's going to come replace my gearcase, clutch, coupler, and swap out agitators in my 2005 DD. I had also remembered you mentioning on another thread to go ahead and replace the spin tube seal while it's apart, so we're doing that as well. After this is all done the washer should not need touched for several years at least, I'm thinking.

If the DD were to for some reason die a horrific unrepairable death I would do what I had to do to get a good modern machine. No budget crap is coming in here after my VMW Whirlpool from 2016 died after 5 years. If that means I have to finance to get something decent, so be it.

Post# 1167461 , Reply# 22   12/24/2022 at 18:30 (486 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> Or if you are going to have electronics in your machine, subject them to rigorous testing and real-life scenarios before sending
>> them out the door. I think quality control at Samsung must suck, because didn't they have some issues with washers literally
>> exploding on the inside years ago? I thought I remember hearing something about that.

Yes - 100% agree on the need for rigorous testing. Very important, and easy for management to skimp on when under cost pressure. Samsung has had a number of recalls - there was a big one for washer fires in Australia too a few years back.

From Samsung's notice:
"This software remedy addresses potential overheating within the control panel of certain models. Such events present a smoking, melting, overheating, or fire hazard to the product and consumer."

In the CPSC notice, they instead refer to it as a "short-circuit", which is a bit more specific. "Potential overheating" could just be a duty cycle limitation, part being run at its limits, etc, but "short-circuit" is a failure full stop. Sometimes stressing electronics can lead them to fail shorted, so the first could lead to the second. But either way I'd bet some errant control logic is at fault.

Post# 1167487 , Reply# 23   12/24/2022 at 22:54 (486 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
I've written before ...

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and it still holds true:


"The best solution I've found to make electronic timers, and electronic devices in general, last and operate problem free is to simply unplug them or some how turn off the electricity to the device when not in use. Give them at least a half an hour per day not energized.

Pull the plug on that electronic washer when it's not in use. Or install a timer.
So easy.

This also holds true for cel phones, modems, and computers.

But I can bet that's TOO EASY, yes too easy for some and there are those who will scoff at the very notion.

For those who scoff and fail to implement such a simple idea that works- you deserve the problems you'll get."


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Post# 1167497 , Reply# 24   12/25/2022 at 05:41 (486 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The beauty in EM timers: they turn themselves off automatically at the end of each cycle.

I would avoid plugging and unplugging as it tends to wear out the contacts of receptacles, especially those cheap 50 cent builder's grade.

Post# 1167546 , Reply# 25   12/26/2022 at 07:50 (485 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Or use a surge protector.. Yes, I know, they're built in...


My Duet FL's control board went out year # 2.. Before I went out, error codes, fixes that didn't work, etc. I just knew I had an expensive lemon.. Once that board got replaced, in just a few months, it will be 18 years old. The only thing I did after the board was replaced? Plugged the machine into a surge protector. Is that the reason I've had no issues? Maybe... Maybe not..

Samsung would be the LAST appliance brand I would buy. I would have to be desperate.. I've heard more good about LG than bad.

Post# 1167554 , Reply# 26   12/26/2022 at 13:42 (484 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
"I've heard more good about LG than bad."

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This. If I had to get a modern machine, LG would be my third option.

My choices in rank order would be:

Speed Queen FF7. Probably not gonna happen because even with financing, that price tag would be really, really tough for me to swing in a fixed income. Unless I could find one used, I just can't see myself being able to do it.

Speed Queen TC5. This would probably be my most likely option as even though it's still expensive, one could finance the machine and make the price workable. But if there were none available and I needed a new machine right away, or if I just decided that front load would ultimately be best, I would do...

LG with turbo wash. I've really heard very few bad things about this machine. I think FL's with a recirculating pump should be the gold standard in 2023 and beyond. Still using very little water, but making use of resources to deliver a superior result. I think the turbo wash is truly a great design and hope other manufacturers start to use it.

No Samsung for me, ever. I was actually thinking about a Samsung washer several months ago when my Maytag A112 washer died, but I just couldn't bring myself to take a chance after hearing so many negative opinions on them.

You know the funny thing is, when I bought my 2005 WP TL in July, I was strongly considering a WP Duet that the appliance store also had. It was roughly the same age, a 2006 model I believe, but since I had to order online, I wasn't able to go in and see how the machine looked, i.e., filth in the gasket, etc. I know that front loaders need more? different? maintenance than TL's and I didn't want to end up with a poorly performing neglected machine. But I was astounded that an FL had lasted that long, and apparently Mark's experience is the same. I will say that I had a closed mind to the possibility of an electronic FL being a buy it for life machine, and I have since reconsidered my stance. The knowledge I have acquired on this site and elsewhere has helped me get rid of some silly notions and biases I've had about appliances for years.


Post# 1167563 , Reply# 27   12/26/2022 at 15:42 (484 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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There`s a lot of Samsung bashing here so there must be some truth to it but IIRC a few years ago our consumer magazine had all 3 LGs fail whereas the Samsungs held up well.
Am on my 3rd Samsung phone and have always been happy with them.
My first VCR in the late 80s was a dirt cheap Samsung and it was incredibly reliable.
Just bought a Samsung microwave with convection heat and I couldn`t be happier with the performance. Reliability wise I can only hope for the best after reading all those negative comments, time will tell.

Post# 1167577 , Reply# 28   12/26/2022 at 18:02 (484 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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We have a LG stove that we bought around the same time as our LG washer and dryer. We were using it for around a month or so until we had a problem one night. My dad was using the bottom oven since it has a convection, he was taking a pot out of there afterwards and he accidently broke the top oven glass door with the pot. We had a LG service tech come out and replace the door but LG wanted to charge us because they knew it was my dad's fault. However, he and the LG technician both agreed that this was a design issue because if you notice on the stove here, there is no silver frame for the bottom other than the sides and the top. So the LG technician fought with LG to warrant for a replacement door at no charge and eventually that was granted unto us. We were also granted a free exchange or replacement of the same model I believe if we chose to. But my dad knew eventually this would happen again at some point as one of us could accidently break the same door again so he tried to have LG take the stove back and refund us but they refused. I get that we were over the return policy. I remember my dad was looking into a Samsung to replace the LG if they did took the stove back but of course that didn't happen. So since then, we've been super careful of using the bottom oven. Other than that incident, it still cooks just fine. But I liked our old Jenn-Air better. At least I'm super glad we replaced our old Jenn-Air because rodents we're getting through the vent as the Jenn-Air had a fan on top of the stove for steam coming out of the pots and/or pans. I wondered if that Samsung he was looking into would've done a better job than the LG.

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Post# 1167587 , Reply# 29   12/26/2022 at 18:51 (484 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Yep - 18 years in April... Crazy hard to believe...

Lorraine Furniture (an appliance guy who also does YouTube videos) praises LG front loaders. He takes them apart and says they are super easy to work on...

Post# 1167596 , Reply# 30   12/26/2022 at 19:36 (484 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Samsung versus LG

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Both these companies make some very interesting appliances. I donít think thereís very much difference between the two companies many other products are made in China. I personally try to avoid buying Chinese appliances when we make perfectly good things here.

I would not call the broken upper oven door on the LG stove I designed the fact a lot of oven doors are made that way with no edge on the tempered glass, I dare say you couldnít break it again if you tried, if you just hit glass the right way it will break.

I donít think LG front loaders are all that great having the recirculating pump really doesnít do anything except bring dirt and lint up in to your laundry from the sump and have it stick in your clothing it really doesnít improve cleaning at all my front load Speed Queen does not have a pump and I put these massive loads in it. They get wet takes a few minutes and they wash beautifully.


Post# 1167603 , Reply# 31   12/26/2022 at 21:05 (484 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        

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In your opinion, are there good FL options out there, aside from Speed Queen? My sort of plan if I needed to replace my DD TL was always to get an SQ TL or LG FL and keep my old WP dryer. Would you not recommend LG then?

Post# 1167606 , Reply# 32   12/26/2022 at 22:00 (484 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Great front loading washers

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Hi Ryne

Whirlpool makes excellent front load washers right over in Clyde Ohio, you can get them for less than $1000 and you can actually get parts and service for them if needed.

I would prefer to buy American made union built over a combination of Korean Chinese, assembled in some nonunion plant in the south any day.

LG and Samsungís biggest problems are lack of parts and service information, if youíre going to buy one, make sure thereís a local dealer that wants to work on it.


Post# 1167612 , Reply# 33   12/26/2022 at 23:38 (484 days old) by moon1234 (Wisconsin)        

Not too surprising. Our consumer magazine released it's latest test of washing machines. They buy three samples of each model they test and run them through 1.640 cycles. Both Samsung and LG failed, due to bearing failure and cracked concrete weights, respectively.

I a Miele W1 with 8000 hours on it. Well over 5000 cycles. I have another W1 with 3000 hours and over 2000 cycles. I will find the money to pay for quality. It makes me ill to see so many cheap appliances being disposed. Most of those components will wind up in a landfill. That is not sustainable or good use of resources.

I am a Christian and not a save the planet person, BUT I also believe God made us stewards of the creation we were given. MANY of the product decisions made today reveal that many people take no responsibility for the purchase decisions they make. The resources and energy that go into making a product should go towards making them reliable, long lived and able to be reused or responsibly disposed at the end of its useful life. What is happening today is borderline criminal for our children and future generations.

At this point the most long lived item in many homes will be a cast iron frying pan. My mother has her mothers and those will be passed down as well. By the time they make it to use they will be over 100 years old. Should we ever need to recycle them they can be directly melted and remade into something else.

All of our appliances should have a manufacture to recycle plan before they hit the market. Sending them to landfill is not a plan.

Post# 1167616 , Reply# 34   12/27/2022 at 00:25 (484 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well John, I say it again. IF SQ would put a heater in their damn front load washers then I might buy one. Contrary to what YOU think, Europeans are intelligent and really know laundry processes with heaters. My experience with having 3 front lloaders, one without a heater, and two with a heater, wash results are far superior with difficult stains with a heater and super hot water. I personaly think LCB is far too harsh on fabrics. Once I STOPPED using LCB, my items that had routinely been blached, lasted far longer without LCB and gradually heated to very hot water was far superior and textiles lasted far longer.

Post# 1167628 , Reply# 35   12/27/2022 at 07:02 (484 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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appnut - agree and disagree...

Back when I had a TL washer and we'd pour a cup of bleach for whites... I could totally see it breaking down the fabrics sooner... HOWEVER, now that I have a FL which uses a miniscule amount of LCB, I don't notice this at all...I can't believe how much LCB we used in the past... WAYYY too much... If I could go back in time, I'd be pouring like 1/3 cup (IF THAT)... I only use white towels so I can bleach them, and they are 20 years old and still look great

But yea - we need a heater... but I thought SQ had a model with a heater in it now...maybe I dreamed that or something. LOL

Post# 1167631 , Reply# 36   12/27/2022 at 07:38 (484 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Whirlpool Dreamspace.

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I have no idea how old this is but it keeps chugging on and washes and rinses really well and with a 1400 spin it makes drying really quick, I kept it as I could not be bothered to move it out the shed...

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Post# 1167637 , Reply# 37   12/27/2022 at 10:35 (484 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, wayy back in the early days of recent front loaders (late 1990s, early 2000), Amana (remember this was when SQ was making washer that had the Amana brand label on it) had a model with a boosted heat hot wash option. It was very bref, like 8 minutes lol. But it was pulled from the market. And eventually SQ did offer pretty much the same model, but I guess it didn't sell very many. No other front loader being sold offered a heater (the early Neptune and Frigidaire models). Around the time of the 2001 or 2002 Wash-in, Sears had recently begun selling their HEe3 and He3T models (the T model had an onboard heater). And we had to go to 2 different Sears stores to get to see the Hettie. There is a photo somewhere in the world of our own ChesktermikeUK checking out the He3T and was "arming the Hettie". And remember this was back in the glory days of when Whirlpool would allow Sears to have an exclusive before the WP brand offered the same feature. There were some members that purchased a He3T and abolutely loved having the Sanitize cycle and a few other cycles that also used the heater to incerase and maintain warm & hot wash waters. And they could tell a difference.

Post# 1167675 , Reply# 38   12/27/2022 at 16:53 (483 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I honestly like our LG washer and dryer. We bought them because our service technician recommended them. I also recall that the technician recommended Samsung as well, I can concur because I also like my uncle's Samsung. If I had to do it again, I totally would buy another LG. Unless if Speed Queen was offering another full 10 year parts and labor warranty, then I could see myself paying extra for a SQ. Even if it doesn't have a heater which I would have no problem with. Honestly, I couldn't find a cleaning difference between having a heater on versus not having a heater on. That's why I don't use the heater on our LG anymore, plus it's another part that can break on a machine anyways. And as far as other LG and Samsung products, I honestly like them as well. I think they made some nice vacuum cleaners, electronics, monitors, etc. Probably the only product I would be cautious to buy for myself would be an LG dishwasher. My aunt just bought one a year or so ago for her new house and she said that it doesn't wash as good as her Maytag from her old house.

Post# 1167709 , Reply# 39   12/27/2022 at 21:14 (483 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Remember the Samsung Eco Bubble? WTH was that all about?

I honestly don't know about the latest Whirlpool or Maytag FL washers. I've seen the wash cycles on youtube vs LG and the LG with turbo wash seems SOOO MUCH better with my eyes...Not only the recirculation but it just looks like they use more water.. I know the whirlpools/maytags have recirculation too...

it's so crazy... I remember complaining when I first got my duet in 2005 because I couldn't believe how little water it used... and in comparison with the ones on the market now, my duet is like a freaking swimming pool.

Post# 1167794 , Reply# 40   12/29/2022 at 07:32 (482 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
How odd nobody has commented on

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The age of my old Whirlpool? Is it because its not US made?

Post# 1167797 , Reply# 41   12/29/2022 at 08:43 (482 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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The console/controls design reflects the early/original Duet.† The rotary cycle knob is like that of the KitchenAid Ensemble and Maytag Epic ... so presumably mid-2000s but the market timeframe may be a bit different in the UK.

Post# 1167799 , Reply# 42   12/29/2022 at 08:48 (482 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
German Built full size whirlpool washer

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Neat to see that they sold those there. They were good washers. They sold a ton of them here in the USA

It was built sometime from the mid 90s to the early 2000s I canít decipher the serial number.

I have the KitchenAid pro line version of that machine. The only thing I donít like about it is the tangling due to the silly slanted tub.

It could probably last a long time yet though.


Post# 1167803 , Reply# 43   12/29/2022 at 09:00 (482 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That Whirlpool Dreamspace was built for the European market, perhaps even only for the UK. Specifications were different than the models for the North American market. The capacity was a bit smaller IIRC and the spin speed a bit higher. Just like the early American Duet models, these machines were made in the Bauknecht factory in Germany. There was a matching dryer available for a while, but that had to be imported from the USA and therefor an expensive product.

Post# 1167808 , Reply# 44   12/29/2022 at 12:15 (482 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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If I can decipher the serial number correctly, your washer was made in 2003, week 43.

Post# 1167813 , Reply# 45   12/29/2022 at 13:54 (481 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Whirl, pool, front load washer from Germany

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That date of 2003 sounds about right.

Austin measure the depth and diameter of the tub and I can compare it to the US models. I highly doubt that they made a smaller capacity version of that machine. It just wouldíve been cost-effective and there would be no reason to make a 27 inch wide machine smaller capacity anyway.

But you could be right Louis you usually are.


Post# 1167819 , Reply# 46   12/29/2022 at 16:17 (481 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Don't forget that a different capacity rating doesn't have to mean a different sized drum. It's just a rating in another country. A different standard may apply here.

BTW, what was the spin speed on the first North American models, I forgot. Was it 1100 or 1200 rpm? This one has 1400rpm, just as the similar Bauknecht model in Germany. Germany may have had this Whirlpool model too in it's line up.

Post# 1167823 , Reply# 47   12/29/2022 at 16:46 (481 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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The earlier versions of this Whirlpool washer had a drum of 80 liters and were sold as an 8kg machine. Mine is the later version with a larger drum of 93 liters (miraculously the capacity increased to 11kg) and the spin wash lowered from 1400 to 1200 rmp.

That's how it was in Europe.

Post# 1167825 , Reply# 48   12/29/2022 at 16:51 (481 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thanks Alexander

Post# 1167827 , Reply# 49   12/29/2022 at 17:40 (481 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
German whirlpool washer

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Iím talking about drum size I know they make different claims for the same size drums. Weíve been doing that for years in the US but my point is the drums are going to be the same size.

And so the usable capacity would actually be the same.

In the US we had final spin RPM of 1100 to 1300 they played around with that a little bit depending on the model.


Post# 1168263 , Reply# 50   1/3/2023 at 21:30 (476 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I still have my HE3t. I do love the option of being able to have it start with cool or warm water and heat it to hot (121įF, 127įF, or 153įF-depending on cycle).
If it makes it to June, it will be 20 years old and Iíll need to post about it in the Imperial forum!

Post# 1168278 , Reply# 51   1/4/2023 at 04:52 (476 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
#36 FL that started it all for me.

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A friend had one similar in 2007 and that introduced me, and sold me on FL washers. I ditched my Kenmore TL from 2000 amd bought a new WP 9200.

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Post# 1169421 , Reply# 52   1/14/2023 at 09:10 (466 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        

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Hi Joihn

As best as I was able to ascertain it measures 14.5 inches from the back to the front rim and 66 inches around the inside of the drum.

I am surprised to learn its nearly 20 years old its doing well and with my 32 year old Huesbch gas dryer they make a wonderful vintage couple both of whom have had very little done to them.


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