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Post# 1167971   12/31/2022 at 15:30 (468 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        

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All thanks to Consumer Report's crappy testing and lying about this. The Whirlpool CAE2795FQ, MVWP575GW,MVWP576KW and MAT20MNAWW have been DISCONTINUTED. Consumer Reports saying HE machines are better is a big fat lie! The only HE machine I think works better than a traditional Agitator washer is the Calypso and maybe the Maytag Neptune series (Both the TL and FL) and Maybe the Frigidaire Gallery front load washers from the 2000's I recently junked my LG WM0642HW to make room for a normal VMW. I have an unlimited supply of parts for the VMW series which is a good thing because of how cheap they are. Though the Earlier version of the VMW which is the world washer which I still have is pushing on 24 years old with the original gearbox from 1999 and it still works well! I heard the "commercial" VMW Gearboxes are not as good as the world washer gearboxes and the "commercial" VMW gearbox is the same cheap gearbox that the "normal" VMWs use. The only option for Speed Queen these days is the TC5. Speed Queen has improved the TR series by a bit but the TC5 will always be better. I think the "commercial" VMWs are overpriced for what they are but if they were in the $500-$950 range then I would consider them perfect. All that's left is the cheap o $299 Amana NTW4516FW which is now $599




Post# 1168029 , Reply# 1   1/1/2023 at 00:15 (467 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
speed queen tr series

Off topic, but what what will speed queen do with the tr series now that the maytag mvwp575 series may be out of the picture?

Post# 1168031 , Reply# 2   1/1/2023 at 00:50 (467 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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There's probably another reasoning behind this. Consumer Reports has been on a decline, I doubt that was the main cause why Whirlpool decided to move on since CR has competition they're getting beat at which is people like Lorain Furniture that does testing on YouTube for viwers to look into free of charge. One reason could be that the next wave of EPA regulations kicked in where Whirlpool was forced to ditch those machines. Another reason could be the reliability issues those machines were running into, I've read online especially here on AW that they were having problems under the warranty. Or it could be that the sales were not exceeding up to Whirlpool's expectations because of advertising on the HE machines or employees/managers that would get consumers sold into with limited washer experience from Blow's (Lowe's), Home Creepo (Home Depot), or other major furnishing stores around. Not just from CR.

Post# 1168032 , Reply# 3   1/1/2023 at 00:58 (467 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Also regarding HE machines. I love Kenmore, General Electric, and Speed Queen top loaders but honestly, I'd rather have a front loader where it can do better than either of those machines. So I'd rather pay more for a SQ front loader than a SQ top loader where it uses less water and electricity, fit more laundry in there, more quieter, and cleans just as well if not better than a SQ top loader.

Post# 1168033 , Reply# 4   1/1/2023 at 01:05 (467 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
EPA Bullcrap

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Everything from the EPA/DOE Is nonsense. Electric Dryers are still made with 5400W Elements when they could be reduced to 3600W or 4500W and still work fine. The F&P Top load dryers are 3600W on Medium setting and the Frigidaire Gallery Bearing Hitch model is 4500W. The GE Dryers have a 5600W element that is too close to the drum. The Frigidaire element is also a little too close to the drum but because the wattage is lower, It's not as intense. Haven't had any issues with scorching with the Frigidaire. Whirlpool still makes the 29" Dryer design just like they have since 1966 with the 5400W Element. I don't see them stopping production anytime soon. As for the washers. I feel like we should be able to use as much water as we want. Manufactures should copy what Fisher&Paykel did with the EcoActive system. put in a small amount of hot water and dissolve the detergent, Recirculate that for 5 minutes then top-off to the selected water level with cool water. Unless F&P Patented that then That would work perfectly. If the EPA/DOE is all about energy then that's how to save energy while still filling the tub to the top with water.

Post# 1168034 , Reply# 5   1/1/2023 at 01:37 (467 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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There is one problem however when it comes to water usage, they can be controlled by the government. In Utah, we are the second most driest state in the country and we're also going through a severe drought. I know there are areas here where some of the lakes are being very strict for those that live nearby to them. Sooner or later those areas, maybe the whole entire state, are probably going to require us to use HE machines.

Post# 1168043 , Reply# 6   1/1/2023 at 08:31 (467 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
EPA and energy star programs

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Hi Kelly, over 70% of Americans want energy star appliances.

I have friends that work with department of energy in Appliance engineering and regulation.

They havenít done everything perfectly, but theyíve saved an incredible amount of energy in this country. All other nations are doing the same thing

Luckily you live in a country where youíll be allowed to keep your old appliances as long as you can keep them going.

It doesnít really save energy to have a smaller heating element in a dryer. Sometimes it actually uses more energy because it Has to run longer and pull more conditioned air out of the home because it Has to run longer .

With your interest in fire safety, Iím not sure why you would have a Frigidaire dryer with a heating element behind the drum it is miserable and dangerous design.

Hopefully you have a sprinkler system in your laundry room with your interest in fire safety.

Happy New Yearís, everyone John.


Post# 1168054 , Reply# 7   1/1/2023 at 12:37 (467 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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The only real way to make a lower wattage dryer hot is to make it a low air output dryer such as the Maytag dryers that had a perforated drum which used a 4500 watt heating element along with 18,000 btus of heat on the gas versions. Itís possible, BUT will have to design something from the ground up to make it safe and efficient along with being easy to repair and service etc.

Post# 1168064 , Reply# 8   1/1/2023 at 15:08 (467 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Happy New Year!

So what's gonna happen to the Maytag commercial units? Who will be the only commercial washer left?

Post# 1168070 , Reply# 9   1/1/2023 at 18:07 (467 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
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I like the Frigidaire because it dries fast and matches the front load washer that I love so much. I just take it apart and clean the cabinet out every 3 months and I take care to never overload it. Have not had any issues with scorching. I also never leave it unattended. I stay active and My Simplex Fire Alarm system will trip if the lint ignites. I would just throw the door open and hit it with an ABC Fire Extinguisher and I keep one nearby just in case. I clean the lint filter after every load and My vent is a very short rigid duct. 1 45į elbow down. 1 45į Elbow left and then straight outside about 18" Only issue I have found is that mine doesn't get as hot as people are describing and the Load is always damp after the end of the cycle on the Automatic Settings. It dries towels all the way though but clothes I have to re-run it like 3 or 4 times. I can't figure out why it doesn't dry all the way the first time.

Post# 1168072 , Reply# 10   1/1/2023 at 18:55 (466 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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I've never seen one - Are the commercial and non-commercial VMW machines dramatically different?

We had a typical standard VMW washer a few years back. Miserable washing performance, and it needed three repairs within a year. I wouldn't have recommended it to anyone.


Post# 1168076 , Reply# 11   1/1/2023 at 19:31 (466 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
If not VWM then what comes next?

What does Whirlpool have in the production pipeline to replace these machines? Maybe a more energy efficient Belt or Direct drive? What was once old comes back as tomorrow's new!

But then again, the bean counters probably have the last word and will squash spending any more than what it costs them today to build the current machines.


Post# 1168087 , Reply# 12   1/1/2023 at 21:30 (466 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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It seems unlikely the VMW platform is ending as a whole ... although it would/will be interesting to see what replaces it if that did/does happen.


Post# 1168089 , Reply# 13   1/1/2023 at 23:57 (466 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
vmw disappearing

I am very disappointed to hear that they're discontinuing their commercial vmw lineup. It's only gonna get worse.

Post# 1168091 , Reply# 14   1/2/2023 at 00:05 (466 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
bean counter

Bean counters don't care about quality and performance. They care about money. Happy new year by the way. We'll see what the future holds. If I had to get to get a washer and dryer pair, it will be between perfect wash or classic clean or the GE commercial laundry.

Post# 1168096 , Reply# 15   1/2/2023 at 08:02 (466 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
MT mvwp575gw, SQ TC5, WP CAE2795FQ, and Amana w/ dual action

This is a long post that is basically a review. Please feel free to skip, but I think it's important for me to say this as someone who has experience using the Maytag mvwp575gw washer and now the SQ TC5.

I own and use the Maytag mvwp575gw since the summer of 2018 in a pet/kid-friendly home. No repair issues yet. I really think one just has to be more careful about not overloading, using the correct wash temp (all deepwater full tub wash cycles have tap hot, if needed!), and the proper amount of a quality detergent (I use Line 2 for half loads and between line 3 and 4 for full loads). I prefer Tide powder original and bleach. When I use liquid, I prefer Persil or Tide hygienic clean. I don't use fabric softener. It can gunk up the washer (Think about it. Rinses are cold). This and dryer fabric softener sheets can coat fabrics, and, in my opinion make it more difficult for the water and detergent to work as well next time when being washed. That said, people have to do what works well for their situation.

My kids range greatly in age. I have ran this washer from morning to night when my college-age kid brings home a car load of laundry. It's a champ. Short cycles are so nice!

The Maytag "commercial residential" mvwp575gw is better made than the"commercial technology" residential models. This video linked below does an excellent job explaining why. The only real area of concern for me is it appears they did use the same gear case as the less expensive vmw models--repair/replacement of this part will probably EOL this washer for me. There are some inexpensive and easy-to-replace parts that allow the agitator and tub to move in different directions that can be replaced by most consumers.

The biggest con of the washer is Normal is the ONLY half tub fill. It also has a spray rinse only (although, it works surprisingly well!). Need a quick wash or have a smaller and lightly soiled normal load, this works well! Literally, I have washed and dried items in less than ONE hour. (Note: I use a spin dryer to reduce dry time-overall prefer the Ninja vs. Panda). The wash action is too rough for delicates. Wash cycle is only 7 minutes long, so the wash action is too short for heavier soiled items--I find a manual 10-minute presoak helps! On this cycle ONLY, Hot water is luke warm (cold is mixed in), and warm is cool (more cold is mixed in). There are workarounds for this, but the consumer assumes ALL risks and liability. Mine involves a Y-hose and Dramm valve (I use the valve to shutoff on the cold line where the hot and cold would mix when using this for main cycles). It depends on your setup, what outlet faucets you have, etc. as to what works best for you. My faucets are newer ones that are turned OFF after I am done using the appliances.






After four years of seeing the situation get only worse, I managed to snag a TC5 and its matching dryer. I haven't changed my original opinion. I use both washers on a regular basis. Maytag is still my overall favorite for cleaning performance and still takes the spot for my second overall favorite. The TC5 is my overall favorite when everything is considered because of the build quality (real transmission, better suspension design, and reputation for better quality electronics), more choices for smaller cycles, and no a design that will require less frequent repairs. With that said, I got this before prices went up again. I estimate the MT will last me 8 to 10 years, and the SQ TC5 12 to 15 years (bearings will probably EOL this for me).

I believe the reviews you'll see on the Maytag mwwp575gw are genuine. As far as I know there are no incentives given to reviewers for a review unless you count the change to win in a low-dollar sweepstakes (I never won). Maytag has ruined their reputation by producing a lot of low quality inferior products, but their marketing is spot-on for getting people convinced. I am forever grateful to Lorain Furniture because I cancelled my order for another Maytag when I saw his review for this model. The old AWN432 were nowhere to be found. The TC5 was not released until 2019.

On the other hand, I think it's unethical that Speed Queen blacklists someone based on an honest and TRUE review instead of taking the time to learn from it. It also appears they give people real incentives (free product, for example) in exchange for a review. I won't link it here, but there are a few reviews where the person doesn't have a clue like the one trying to add the detergent to the fabric softener dispenser. Thanks to some unbiased reviews (Lorain Furniture, Kirk Rivas, and others), I was able to sort this out.

I am hoping these are the last washers I will buy as my kids are getting older and moving out, so I have less wash to do these days. With that said, I am considering purchasing a front load (probably LG or SQ) when the MT dies. Top load and front load each have their pros and cons.

For anyone wanting a top load, you should strongly consider buying one of these models listed in the subject while still available.

I have no idea why anyone thinks a top load with less water that doesn't even get some of the clothes wet, cooling down chosen temp, and more chemicals is a good idea? Also, these HE washers are yard ornaments in my rural part of the world. BTW, they are not the most attractive pot for plants either. They wind up in a landfill in 5 to 10 years now instead of 20 to 30. New math, I guess.

I kind of feel like the character in the movie, Jingle All The Way. I am glad I have the Maytag mvwp575gw and SQ TC5, but what a journey to get them.

Hope everyone is having a good start to the New Year!



Post# 1168104 , Reply# 16   1/2/2023 at 10:12 (466 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
VMW washers

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Has it really been confirmed that theyíve stopped making these commercial models altogether?

That YouTube video referenced in reply number 15 is interesting but itís riddled with mistakes. It would take me two hours to go over all the mistakes that guy made

Heís also not taking into account that current VMW machines have been upgraded a lot. Heís comparing this commercial model to what they made five years or so ago. His review of the 27 inch dryer is particularly filled with mistakes.

John


Post# 1168107 , Reply# 17   1/2/2023 at 10:26 (466 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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I just looked in my dealer portal and indeed the mvwp575gw is discontinued. I hadn't heard that. Looking at the new price sheets show another residential commercial model. Evidently it hasn't been announced yet so I will hold back the model number at this time.

Post# 1168108 , Reply# 18   1/2/2023 at 10:29 (466 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I guess Whirlpool family is announcing several new models. Kirk Rivas said the other day the Amana NTW4516 is being replaced with the NTW4519, which is already available in Canada.

Post# 1168109 , Reply# 19   1/2/2023 at 10:34 (466 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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just check the maytag website seem even the model i have is being replace i wonder what the replacement model will be

Post# 1168153 , Reply# 20   1/2/2023 at 22:03 (465 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
mistakes

What mistakes were made in this video?

Post# 1168353 , Reply# 21   1/5/2023 at 06:23 (463 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
The bottom line...

I went back and watch the video. I can't find any discrepancies for the main points vs. what other reputable reviewers have stated. This video goes into the history more than the other reviews I've watched.

In regard to new top load washers sold TODAY. You only have a few good choices: Maytag mvwp575gw or mvwp576kw (get the 575gw model for more warranty), Speed Queen TC5, budget Amana with the dual action agitator, or possibly the GE Commercial. That's it. These washers have cycles that use tap hot, enough water, and have the better wash action.

The Maytag mvwp575gw "commercial residential" has many upgraded parts that are better made when compared to the Maytag (and other vmw) "commercial technology" models also sold to residential customers. Many other reviewers have pointed this out. Period. In my opinion, the vmw design keeps this from being a true commercial washer. It was designed to be easier to repair (and it is--I have no special training, but I can see that!), the gearcase will be the part that mostly likely causes consumers like me with DIY skills to replace it and the weakest point I can see with this washer. Because it uses a gearcase instead of a real transmission, I do think there are a couple of inexpensive but easy to replace parts that the consumer will have to replace before replacing the actual gearcase. These parts are why the tub and agitator can move in different directions. It's possible even I could replace the gearcase considering the cost of the part to the consumer and skills needed. I'm being honest in that I'd opt for new washer that was an option vs replacing a gearcase. I've had no issues with balancing loads. Wash like items with like items. If you want to wash something like a small pet bed, be sure to balance it with something of equal size weight like a towel--I do monitor these cycles more closely.

Get the Maytag mvwp575gw model if you want the 5-yr warranty, which is often (ironically) sold for less at independently owned local appliance stores rather than the mvwp576kw model that sells at big box stores that has a 1-yr parts/labor warranty.

I expect to get 8 to 10 years of life out of this MT575 washer when used correctly. This is definitely a lot less than the 20 to 30 (or more!) years somone could get out of the real Maytags that are no longer sold.

The only other better built top load washer would be the Speed Queen TC5, which has a real transmission backed by a 15-year parts only warranty. Because it has a real transmission, I expect it to work longer without periodic repairs (those plastic parts that enable vmw models to have an agitator and tub that can move in different directions). The suspension design is better. Four heavy duty springs secure the tub to the base vs. 4 rods. It has more options when it comes to washing smaller loads. You still should use common sense and try to balance those odd loads. Other than a belt or board, there is not a whole lot of repairs I could do myself on this washer, and I won't even attempt to replace the bearings. This is good!

SQ has another model, LWN, that would probably work the best in a commercial settings but the TC5 design should hold up better than a vwm.

Most reliable unbiased sources state this SQ TC5 washer will probably last about 12 to 15 years. The bearings will be a common reason people end up replacing the machine. With that said, I will definitely consider paying someone to replace the bearings if I can no longer get a similar machine.

The price difference when sold at NORMAL price can be justified to pay more for the Speed Queen TC5 over the appliance's expected life especially if you have to have some repair the appliances for you. But it really comes down to how often you want to replace a machine as the MT doesn't cost as much as the SQ either not to mention this is good to keep stuff out of the landfill. For some people who have a limited budget, the other models will work well just for a shorter time :-)

All models may have a longer life if the person has the knowledge and tools to repair the appliance and can get the parts at cost.

This was an unpaid and unbiased endorsement for both products :-)


Post# 1168361 , Reply# 22   1/5/2023 at 11:06 (463 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
speed queen perfect wash models

So what will speed queen do with the perfect wash models? I believe they make both the classic clean and perfect wash models for those who want choices on how they get their laundry done. If worse comes to worse, I would have no issue with the perfect wash system.

Post# 1168363 , Reply# 23   1/5/2023 at 11:19 (463 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
VMW platform

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I have no idea what's planned for the commercial models after this but it doesn't look like the VMW platform is ending as a whole. The Amana NTW4519JW model referenced above looks like just an updated version of the Amana NTW4516FW. More or less the same cycles and options, still a dual-action agitator but with a stainless steel tub instead of porcelain and slightly more capacity. Although, the jury is still out on the capacity thing. Amana's US website says it has a 3.8 cu. ft. capacity, while appliance stores from Canada, where this model has been available for a while, put it at 4.4 cu. ft. I wonder why the difference.

Post# 1168370 , Reply# 24   1/5/2023 at 12:53 (463 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Canadian standards just measure volume/size differently, they're the same machine. Same with the old tv's. In Canada a tv screen/tube would be measured including the unseen area behind the mask whereas in the US it was measured solely on the viewing area.. ergo a 19" US set was a 20" set in Canada.. My LG front load capacity is advertised with a smaller capacity than the identical US model

Post# 1168379 , Reply# 25   1/5/2023 at 14:44 (463 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
gentle on clothes

I don't understand why machines are becoming more and more gentle on clothes. I don't have any delicates, so why is this happening? The last time I checked, there's a gentle/delicates/knits cycle. I want my clothes "beaten" clean.

Post# 1168381 , Reply# 26   1/5/2023 at 15:32 (463 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Cubic foot capacity of new top load washers

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Are pretty meaningless because few of them fill the tub more than half full. If not just a quarter or an eighth full.

Yes, some machines have a cycle where you can fill the machine all the way up but thatís not typically how theyíre used. Cubic foot capacity on frontload machines is a good way to compare them as you can typically fill the front loading machine completely and get things clean without damaging them.

New machines are generally not that delicate on clothing impeller type machines are actually quite hard on clothing.

John.


Post# 1168384 , Reply# 27   1/5/2023 at 16:18 (463 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Impeller type machines

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Yes the harshness on clothes and the super low water usage resulting in reduced capacity is why I don't like impeller machines. Not that I think washers need a ton of water to clean -- front loaders don't but top loaders really do and that's why HE TL's fall on their faces often. I can fill my Whirlpool DD pretty full, not packed in but definitely loaded to capacity, and so far haven't suffered any clothing damage. I imagine I could get about half as much in an impeller washer, so John is right on that for sure.

Post# 1168402 , Reply# 28   1/5/2023 at 19:20 (462 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
NOT the end

The mvwp575gw is getting an upgrade, and will be replaced with a different model number. My understanding is the warranty is the same (5year parts and labor) and the unit itself will just have better options and a nicer look.

Thatís all I can confidently divulge.


Post# 1168414 , Reply# 29   1/5/2023 at 20:28 (462 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Regarding Maytag and Amana here. If I wanted to buy a Whirlpool top loader today, it'd be the WTW4816FW along with the matching gas or electric dryer. That has extra features, plus it has a 5 year warranty, and it's still cheaper to buy than both the Maytag Commercial or the Amana. However, it's only available through Lowe's.

www.lowes.com/pd/Whirlpoo...


Post# 1168515 , Reply# 30   1/7/2023 at 00:57 (461 days old) by smurdle450 (California)        
Here it is.

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MVWP585GW/MVWP586GW.

Seems to be two variants.


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Post# 1168521 , Reply# 31   1/7/2023 at 03:48 (461 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 1168531 , Reply# 32   1/7/2023 at 07:16 (461 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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seem they are realising a classic clean style model with classic agitator?

Post# 1168535 , Reply# 33   1/7/2023 at 07:59 (461 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
mvwp585gw...

The lack of smaller load options with water temperature control was the biggest con. Looks like they have fixed it! I def would prefer this over the GE Commercial unless they've changed something between how the 575 and 585 works.

I ended up getting around the Normal Eco cycle by using a Y-hose and Dramm shut-off valve on the cold to get a real hot and warm. Works, but requires more user interaction. The wash action is too rough for delicates and the wash time is not long enough for whites on its own but a manual presoak can make the cycle work even for that. User assumes all liabilities and risks of using a modified setup. I turn my washer OFF and unplug after each use and use a surge protector while in use.

It's still a vmw. It seems like the gearcase is the weakest point there. It could be repaired at a reasonable cost based on price of part for someone who can do it themselves. I'm not sure if *I* would try that or not. But really. Just don't overload the washer and use it correctly in every way. I've had no issues with mine, which has been used heavily for a kid/pet/workout/work friendly family--so we've tried it with all types of loads. The other parts that allow the tub and agitator turn separate are easy to replace and not expensive.

Can't beat the clean of that dual action agitator!

Oh, how I wish I could replace the board on mine and add a switch. It probably involves replacing the whole console and everything that plugs into it. Still I am interested! Maybe someone here can help me figure that out?

LOL. Maytag ought to let me try this out. I've been their biggest unpaid endorser LOL. I'm only biased because I know it just works. It looks like the price difference between SQ TC and this MT is around $500 now going by MSRP? True this won't last as long, but you don't pay as much for it either. It's definitely the best top load washer in that price range plus the price includes a parts and labor warranty!

For me, this means that parts will continue to be available. :-)


Post# 1168536 , Reply# 34   1/7/2023 at 08:05 (461 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Dual Action vs. Straight Vane

I think you will get a little better wash action with the dual action agitator as it is very effective in moving clothes and even larger items down, in, and through the water. I can see the difference when washing a quilt in my Maytag vs. TC5 (but I still feel it gets clean in this washer too). Some will prefer the straight vane for commercial settings and maybe even home use. The tiny and inexpensive parts that cause the top and bottom agitator to move in different directions will require more frequent replacement in an environment where people are more likely to overload. I've not had to replace mine in 4.5 years of use.

Post# 1168540 , Reply# 35   1/7/2023 at 09:47 (461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I wonder if any changes were made to the companion dryer. The only thing needed to be added is a signal or wrinkle guard on/off ability. That alone prevented me from getting that dryer when I had to replace my old Dependable Care dryer summer 2021.

Post# 1168547 , Reply# 36   1/7/2023 at 10:45 (461 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
MVWP575GW vs. 585GW

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Could someone explain to me the main differences between the two washers? Unfortunately, my computer screen reader won't describe the picture above as it's just a graphic, and I can't find text documentation for the newer model online.

Ryne


Post# 1168551 , Reply# 37   1/7/2023 at 11:14 (461 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Ryne

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For the new washer:

Water levels are low, medium, high and deep wash. Cycles are bulky towels, powerwash, delicates, mixed, normal eco, rinse and spin, drain and spin. Temperatures are tap cold, cold, cool, warm, hot. The final of the four rotary knobs is presoak and extra rinse, presoak, extra rinse and off (no options).


Post# 1168552 , Reply# 38   1/7/2023 at 11:20 (461 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Ryne,

There are four knobs on the panel instead of three that the previous machine had.

A water level selector is added with choices of Deep Water, High, Med, and Low.

All cycles apparently follow the water level selector.† None are indicated as hard-coded as previously for only a deep fill or a partial fill.† Choices are Bulky/Towels, Powerwash, Delicates, Mixed, Normal Eco, Rinse & Spin, Drain & Spin.

Wash Temperature choices of Tap Cold, Cold, Cool, Warm, and Hot.

Options knob with choices of Off, Presoak, Extra Rinse, or Presoak and Extra Rinse.


Post# 1168553 , Reply# 39   1/7/2023 at 11:21 (461 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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The cycle signal can be turned on or off. There's no switch for the wrinkle guard.

Post# 1168556 , Reply# 40   1/7/2023 at 12:03 (461 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Water level selector on newer Maytag commercial

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This would be a selling point for many people, I can see that feature causing this machine to be even more desirable than even the TC5, and that's saying something for a VMW machine -- I think we all know how I feel about them LOL

But perhaps I would actually purchase this washer if my current DD were to die. Never thought I would consider a VMW washer again, but this actually looks like a really great machine!


Post# 1168567 , Reply# 41   1/7/2023 at 14:26 (461 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Hmm

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Unless if they brought back the old school motor with the old school direct drive transmission, I'd still would buy a Speed Queen TC5 over this "new" Maytag Commercial. Can't say that I was impressed when I tried out the MVWP575GW1 last year. I think it washed just as good as the old school direct drive Whirlpools like my Kenmore 90 Series but I questioned about it's reliability because I kept reading online through different websites about the warranty issues they were having and I've read more reports of issues of them than I've read the issues about the SQ TC5. Plus this is not a popular opinion but I actually hated the sound it made as it was washing, quieter yes but not old school sounding as my Kenmore and the TC5. I guess the only thing that I did liked better about it was that as it was filling up, the tub slightly spun every 10 seconds I believe.

Post# 1168572 , Reply# 42   1/7/2023 at 14:59 (461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Alex, you did mention back in June 2021 the rumor of a SQ TC7 type of product. I wonder if this will cause SQ to atually turn that rumor into reality.

Post# 1168577 , Reply# 43   1/7/2023 at 15:22 (461 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Yes that's right. From my understanding, I heard that it needed to get passed through the pentagon so I don't know if SQ is still fighting for it to get approved or if it had already gotten rejected. I'm not sure.

Post# 1168578 , Reply# 44   1/7/2023 at 15:35 (461 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
needed to get passed through the pentagon

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This is a prime example when government has way too much power.


Post# 1168579 , Reply# 45   1/7/2023 at 15:48 (461 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis)        
Speed Queen TC7

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Would be an amazing washer if it was a TC5 with a TR7 control panel. I would absolutely do whatever I had to do to buy that machine.

If the Maytag commercial with water levels can get approved I don't see why this SQ would have trouble. Seems like both machines would use the same-ish amount of water.

Ryne


Post# 1168669 , Reply# 46   1/8/2023 at 06:47 (460 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
I found a link for the Maytag mvwp585gw

It says out of stock at Lowes, but the price shows $1,854??? You've got to be kidding me. It has pictures. It looks a lot like the Maytag mvwp575gw with the black console panel and white body, but has an additional button on the left for water selection. The knobs look gray. The text is more on the side then around the knob.

It is likely the dryer will outlast the washer, would be nice if they made the new model match with the older dryer.



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Post# 1168695 , Reply# 47   1/8/2023 at 11:43 (460 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I"m seeng conficting photos with what appears one with a tub that's stainless steel and others with the tub appearing to be white porcelain.

Post# 1168709 , Reply# 48   1/8/2023 at 13:29 (460 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Indeed

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Same on the Whirlpool Digital Library page. The white tub's agitator also lacks the softener dispenser.

Post# 1168730 , Reply# 49   1/8/2023 at 14:34 (460 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
No Love lost losing

the VMV's.

Post# 1168917 , Reply# 50   1/9/2023 at 15:47 (459 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)        

Consumer reports is extremely biased and ridiculous, they would probably say the TR series sq cleans better than any machine ever made so thatís no surprise, they arenít honest at all and Iíve never trusted them before. I wish they would just cut the BS and refuse to make HE machines and go back to direct drives with all mechanical controls, I could care less what the government says because if their so worried about water usage then why are they allowing these huge huge Maytag commercial VMW models to fill to the brim and other new machines with huge tubs that full at least halfway? Thatís not conserving water or energy if thatís what their so worried about, it just doesnít make any sense to me because a big part of tbe country is still using good old fashioned direct drives or other machines, they canít force everyone to an HE so why are they even trying still? Theyíve been selling these VMW machines which is the exact same size as a DD and fills too the top, so why is it we have to have belt driven terrible sounding machines why canít we have the direct drives if you guys just make the same thing with a different power house? Not one bit of it ever makes any sense at all. HE was the biggest corruption to ever hit the washer industry and they donít save energy nor water as they proclaim upon the alter. Itís ridiculous and Iíve had more than enough of this stuff, just cut the utter nonsense and make your long lost customers happy again. That will never happen and I cannot imagine how much worse these machines will get if theyíve become this bad in just a decade, it has been nice seeing them try but itís not enough, the government needs to stay out of it and stop trying to control everyoneís lives so much. Im very shocked there hasnít been a ban against old direct drives or speed queens or Maytags still being used in households since they hate classic technology so much. This is terrible they are getting rid of those machines, they were the best Whirlpool made current washer they offered and now there will be nothing to clean laundry other than TC5 SQ models and front loaders.

Post# 1168994 , Reply# 51   1/10/2023 at 06:13 (458 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
only getting worse

From what I can tell, it will be only getting worse. Wait until they get rid of the tc5 altogether.

Post# 1169005 , Reply# 52   1/10/2023 at 08:35 (458 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
back in 2021

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back in 2021 when shoping for new washer dryer i suggested to my mom that we look at the speed queen huebsch washer series she said they where to costly, i am the one that do the laundry in the house for 2 myself and my mom even do i explain to my mom that no matter the cycle chosen on the maytag washer we now have she thinks it takes to long to wash and since it was purchuse in 2021 the big question i ask myself is how long will they last since having this set 2021 had to have the electric outlet the washer is plug in replace then a month later was the dryer electric power outlet plus power cord and termal fuse inside the dryer (maytag tech) huebsch speed queen might be more costly in term of price but they are of better quality but keepong them in note because the curent washer is a vmw model but i know its not the machine thats defective but if i have to rely on hot or warm water it cause the house pluming to bang when it mix hot cold water even do its not reccomended to resolve the issue i have set it to tap cold water wash rinse cold water back in 2021 we should of gone with speed queen huebsch i even question my self if sometime use vintage washer are not the better choice last 2 pics as refrence

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Post# 1170773 , Reply# 53   1/31/2023 at 06:45 (437 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
MVWP585GW water temp and water usage

Reply #46 - $1854. This must have been the Canadian price?

Go to Lowes website and specifically type in the model number, wvwp585gw. You can get additional info on this washer. The manual seems very specific that cold is added to hot to save energy. I've attached a photo from the user manual. I'm getting really irritated. There needs to be a tap hot for whites!

On the 575 model that I have from 2018, it alternates between hot and cold for deepwater cycles as required when warm, cool*, and cold* is chosen. [*Even with cold or cool, enough hot is added to ensure detergent dissolves.] If you turn off cold and cold is requested, the washer will just hum and spin. This is what happens in deepwater cycles when choosing anything other than hot or on the Normal cycle where hot is luke warm and warm is cool. If it's letting cool in while hot is running, then I am not seeing it. To the best of my knowledge the 575 has tap hot for the deepwater cycles at least when the water heater is set for 120 but seems to work above that too. I have tested the temp, tried turning cold off when hot is selected for deepwater cycle, etc. I'm getting the same readings. To get the most accurate test, force your water heater to turn on and heat. My hot water is colder in the morning when I haven't been using it and hotter after it has finished filling up and reheating it. Keep in mind the water sitting in the pipes will be cooler, will be cooled as it falls through the air into the tub, and will be cooled some by the tub/clothes temp. The 585 models certainly seems like it may add cold.

In some ways the automatic temp sensor can be helpful because it does add some hot to cold and cool washes to at least ensure detergent dissolves. It also means other temps should be within a certain range. However, there needs to be a tap hot. I am all for saving money where I can. I haven't noticed a difference when using cool rather than warm for office wear. But whites needs tap hot.

I'll be curious what the initial reviewers find.

I also found how many gallons of water are used for low, medium, high, and deepwater. A photo is attached.

One thing I forgot to mention is that I can change to a different cycle on the SQ TC5 without draining the water and starting all over again.





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Post# 1170775 , Reply# 54   1/31/2023 at 08:14 (437 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
What a cluster f...

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No temperature ratings for any selection.

 

Cold water added to "Hot" (WTF?)

 

Cold water added to "Warm" (Another WTF?)

No temp rating for "Cool"

 

Warm water added to Cold if incoming temp is below 50F (should be 75F)

 

 

This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water.

 

No thanks!


Post# 1170780 , Reply# 55   1/31/2023 at 09:12 (437 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
mvwp585gw....tap hot workaround. Also, Ryne, read this one.

Reply #53. I made a typo in the post. Model is mvwp585gw .

Ryne, I don't know what screen reader you use to test this with. I hope this helps.

Here is the text in the photo that shows the cycles and wash temperature.

It's set up in a table format with temperature in first column and fabric information in the second column. To avoid the table format, the wash temp info will be followed by the recommended fabric.

Hot
Some cold water is added to save energy. This will be cooler than your hot water heater setting.
Whites and pastels
Durable garments Heavy soils.

Warm
Some cold water will be added, so this will be cooler than what your previous washer provided.
Bright colors
Moderate-to-light soils.

Cool
Warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and to help dissolve detergents.
Colors that bleed or fade
Light soils

Cold
This is the temperature from your faucet. If your tap cold water is less than
50įF (10įC), warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and help dissolve detergent.
Dark colors that bleed or fade
Light soils

Here is the text in the photo that show the water level cycles:

WATER LEVEL

LOW
The Low setting is recommended for small loads, approximately 1/3 capacity with a water level of 8 gallons.

MEDIUM
The Medium setting is recommended for medium loads, approximately 1/2 capacity with a water level of
12 gallons.

HIGH
The High setting is recommended for large loads, approximately 3/4 capacity with a water level of 18 gallons.

DEEP WATER
The Deep Water is recommended for extra-large loads, approximately full capacity with a water level of 24 gallons.


The tap cold setting will allow one to use a y-hose and some valves (I've been using Dramm) to control your wash temp at the faucet for the mvwp575gw (note: I tested it using the recommended setup). I had to do that because I have more smaller loads now and don't want to waste water. After the washer fills, I have to remember to turn it back to the desired rinse temp. With the eco cycle, it's not really that big of deal as much water is not used, so I don't care if it's a warm or cold spray. Anyway, I turn water off and unplug washer when not actually being used. It's a big risk as those Dramm valves aren't made for this, and many are tested with cold water only. The levers on those "garden hose" valves can be weak points too.

I guess they include tap cold that for places that only have cold water. It likely is the only cycle that does require a reading from the thermistor. So there's this option for some, but it's not user friendly, requires more hands on, and involves flood risks!

Another option is to fill it with hot from another source if available. You will need to start the cycle, pause, fill manually, unpause...

"This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water." This is how the 575 operates and probably how the 585 will operate :-( .

What makes no sense at all is why they cool down hot water temp on many of the front loads too because they use a lot less water.

I still think the mvwp575gw would be my overall second choice even with the water levels.

It was a stretch, but I am glad I have the TC5 even though it only has two water levels. If you want perfect wash, use the Delicate or Permanent press. It's gentle BUT I still have more agitation when needed. Also, I am getting older. It's more difficult to do repairs due to back issues and eyesight.

Can't wait until this new model can be tested.


Post# 1170781 , Reply# 56   1/31/2023 at 09:23 (437 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Correction. Sorry.

I meant the mvwp585gw (like the mvwp575gw) would still be my overall second choice even though I prefer the dual action agitator and even though the 585 now has more water level options. It's still my top pick for cleaning performance. The difference in price and my ability to repair the appliance are two key factors that would weigh heavy in my final decision.

TC5 is still my overall top pick if I had to choose just one. It still has good cleaning performance, more durable, better built (transmission, suspension, maybe electronics), and still has different wash cycle options for the half-size loads. In the real world, most people can only choose one. I personally would prefer to use the space the second washer takes up for something else. I don't plan on repairing the Maytag when it breaks, but I don't think I will scrap it either (storage, just in case).


Post# 1170792 , Reply# 57   1/31/2023 at 14:20 (437 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Well that's disappointing, this new model also tempers the hot water as well. No thanks, I'd rather just buy a SQ commercial LWNE22SP115TW01 and swap out the control panel from a 9 Series.

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Post# 1172713 , Reply# 58   2/19/2023 at 21:22 (417 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
new maytags

What is the drive system on the new maytag commercial units? I bet they're trash.

Post# 1172714 , Reply# 59   2/19/2023 at 21:27 (417 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
cycle guide

What is the cycle guide on this machine?

Post# 1172752 , Reply# 60   2/20/2023 at 16:02 (417 days old) by drummerboy928 (Illinois)        
Reply 58

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assuming they kept the same design as the 575, as it appears they may have, then the new ones will have the same ďheavier dutyĒ VMW design.

Post# 1172753 , Reply# 61   2/20/2023 at 16:37 (417 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Hopefully they beefed up that pathetic gearbox in their new design.


Post# 1172779 , Reply# 62   2/20/2023 at 23:15 (416 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
drive system

I highly doubt that they beefed up the drive system, particularly their transmission. I bet the average consumer will abuse this type of washer.

Post# 1172796 , Reply# 63   2/21/2023 at 06:28 (416 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Transmission and a Few Thoughts...

In this YouTube video, it says the GE Commercial has a steel transmission that seems like it would be better quality.






Lorain Furniture has also reviewed it.

http://youtube.com/live/UCTADubfQF8?feature=share
(Posted this link below as it doesn't seem to be embedding correctly)

I still prefer how the Maytag Commercial fills and washes. Lack of the water level switch was the biggest con. I would buy this Maytag washer again! I would also consider the GE Commercial as my third pick. It seems like they have done away with the budget Amana that had the dual action agitator? Even so, these more expensive picks are a little better built.

Depending on the difference in price, some may find the Speed Queen TC is worth that due to having a real transmission, sturdier suspension, and better build quality. There is a Facebook group that definitely seems to differ though. Seems like there are more issues now that electronics have been added and concern with heating elements going out premature and dryer being too hot. I have both the SQ TC 5003WN and DC electric dryer. With the dryer, I use a timed setting, and have spun dry the clothes with a Panda or Ninja first (no issues here). However, I got my LG dryer working again, so that is my main dryer right now. But in my limited use, no issues with a too hot dryer. Washer seems to work well for now. I wish it had a separate presoak cycle without the extra rinse though. More water level options would have been nice, but at least I have smaller load options for all main wash cycles with this model.

Anyway, back to the Maytag washer. The manual seems to suggest this does not have a true hot, which makes no sense. Most consumers probably have their hot water at 120 to 140 anyway. It's too expensive to keep it any higher just for laundry. I set mine at 120.

I know you all are disappointed they didn't beef up the transmission. But at least it has an excellent wash action (dual action agitator moves clothes down, in, and through water well!), enough water, and (if needed) can still have tap hot water. There are a few workarounds that work to have tap hot, but it involves more user interaction and is inconvenient. The Maytag mvwp575gw seems to have tap hot at least at 120 for all the main cycles, so maybe the 585 is the same way? Maybe it adjusts it down only if it is above 120? Remember that water will be hotter coming from the water heater as soon as the unit has finished refilling and heating than it will be after a period of time it wasn't used. Also, water in pipes will be cold or cool until the water from the heater takes its place. The air, clothes, and tub will cool it down some as the tub fills. That is why I think some of these other tests are not quite right. But 115 if your water heater is set at 120 does not mean this is being adjusted down. The Maytag is still my main washer. It will be 5 this summer, and I haven't had any repairs. Just don't overload, use the correct amount of detergent, and an occasional hot wash along with routine maintenance (the wash cycle tablet).

It sounds like they are fixing to do away with these all together. So while I wish we had the old Maytags, at least we have these that do a good job just not as long. Crazy no one has looked at the real not so eco friendly issues with these washers designed to save money.


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Post# 1172973 , Reply# 64   2/23/2023 at 23:26 (413 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
maytat hot water

I have a feeling that the hot water temp on the maytag is tempered.


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