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Thread Number: 92224
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
End of an Era, "commercial" VMWs discontinued! |
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| Post# 1167971 12/31/2022 at 15:30 (702 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
All thanks to Consumer Report's crappy testing and lying about this. The Whirlpool CAE2795FQ, MVWP575GW,MVWP576KW and MAT20MNAWW have been DISCONTINUTED. Consumer Reports saying HE machines are better is a big fat lie! The only HE machine I think works better than a traditional Agitator washer is the Calypso and maybe the Maytag Neptune series (Both the TL and FL) and Maybe the Frigidaire Gallery front load washers from the 2000's I recently junked my LG WM0642HW to make room for a normal VMW. I have an unlimited supply of parts for the VMW series which is a good thing because of how cheap they are. Though the Earlier version of the VMW which is the world washer which I still have is pushing on 24 years old with the original gearbox from 1999 and it still works well! I heard the "commercial" VMW Gearboxes are not as good as the world washer gearboxes and the "commercial" VMW gearbox is the same cheap gearbox that the "normal" VMWs use. The only option for Speed Queen these days is the TC5. Speed Queen has improved the TR series by a bit but the TC5 will always be better. I think the "commercial" VMWs are overpriced for what they are but if they were in the $500-$950 range then I would consider them perfect. All that's left is the cheap o $299 Amana NTW4516FW which is now $599
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Post# 1168029 , Reply# 1 1/1/2023 at 00:15 (702 days old) by GELaundry4ever  (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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speed queen tr series Off topic, but what what will speed queen do with the tr series now that the maytag mvwp575 series may be out of the picture? | ||
| Post# 1168031 , Reply# 2 1/1/2023 at 00:50 (702 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
There's probably another reasoning behind this. Consumer Reports has been on a decline, I doubt that was the main cause why Whirlpool decided to move on since CR has competition they're getting beat at which is people like Lorain Furniture that does testing on YouTube for viwers to look into free of charge. One reason could be that the next wave of EPA regulations kicked in where Whirlpool was forced to ditch those machines. Another reason could be the reliability issues those machines were running into, I've read online especially here on AW that they were having problems under the warranty. Or it could be that the sales were not exceeding up to Whirlpool's expectations because of advertising on the HE machines or employees/managers that would get consumers sold into with limited washer experience from Blow's (Lowe's), Home Creepo (Home Depot), or other major furnishing stores around. Not just from CR.
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| Post# 1168032 , Reply# 3 1/1/2023 at 00:58 (702 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Also regarding HE machines. I love Kenmore, General Electric, and Speed Queen top loaders but honestly, I'd rather have a front loader where it can do better than either of those machines. So I'd rather pay more for a SQ front loader than a SQ top loader where it uses less water and electricity, fit more laundry in there, more quieter, and cleans just as well if not better than a SQ top loader.
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| Post# 1168033 , Reply# 4 1/1/2023 at 01:05 (702 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
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EPA Bullcrap
Everything from the EPA/DOE Is nonsense. Electric Dryers are still made with 5400W Elements when they could be reduced to 3600W or 4500W and still work fine. The F&P Top load dryers are 3600W on Medium setting and the Frigidaire Gallery Bearing Hitch model is 4500W. The GE Dryers have a 5600W element that is too close to the drum. The Frigidaire element is also a little too close to the drum but because the wattage is lower, It's not as intense. Haven't had any issues with scorching with the Frigidaire. Whirlpool still makes the 29" Dryer design just like they have since 1966 with the 5400W Element. I don't see them stopping production anytime soon. As for the washers. I feel like we should be able to use as much water as we want. Manufactures should copy what Fisher&Paykel did with the EcoActive system. put in a small amount of hot water and dissolve the detergent, Recirculate that for 5 minutes then top-off to the selected water level with cool water. Unless F&P Patented that then That would work perfectly. If the EPA/DOE is all about energy then that's how to save energy while still filling the tub to the top with water.
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| Post# 1168034 , Reply# 5 1/1/2023 at 01:37 (702 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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There is one problem however when it comes to water usage, they can be controlled by the government. In Utah, we are the second most driest state in the country and we're also going through a severe drought. I know there are areas here where some of the lakes are being very strict for those that live nearby to them. Sooner or later those areas, maybe the whole entire state, are probably going to require us to use HE machines.
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Post# 1168043 , Reply# 6 1/1/2023 at 08:31 (702 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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EPA and energy star programs
Hi Kelly, over 70% of Americans want energy star appliances.
I have friends that work with department of energy in Appliance engineering and regulation. They haven’t done everything perfectly, but they’ve saved an incredible amount of energy in this country. All other nations are doing the same thing Luckily you live in a country where you’ll be allowed to keep your old appliances as long as you can keep them going. It doesn’t really save energy to have a smaller heating element in a dryer. Sometimes it actually uses more energy because it Has to run longer and pull more conditioned air out of the home because it Has to run longer . With your interest in fire safety, I’m not sure why you would have a Frigidaire dryer with a heating element behind the drum it is miserable and dangerous design. Hopefully you have a sprinkler system in your laundry room with your interest in fire safety. Happy New Year’s, everyone John. | ||
| Post# 1168054 , Reply# 7 1/1/2023 at 12:37 (701 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
The only real way to make a lower wattage dryer hot is to make it a low air output dryer such as the Maytag dryers that had a perforated drum which used a 4500 watt heating element along with 18,000 btus of heat on the gas versions. It’s possible, BUT will have to design something from the ground up to make it safe and efficient along with being easy to repair and service etc.
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Post# 1168064 , Reply# 8 1/1/2023 at 15:08 (701 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Happy New Year! So what's gonna happen to the Maytag commercial units? Who will be the only commercial washer left? | ||
| Post# 1168070 , Reply# 9 1/1/2023 at 18:07 (701 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
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Reply 6
I like the Frigidaire because it dries fast and matches the front load washer that I love so much. I just take it apart and clean the cabinet out every 3 months and I take care to never overload it. Have not had any issues with scorching. I also never leave it unattended. I stay active and My Simplex Fire Alarm system will trip if the lint ignites. I would just throw the door open and hit it with an ABC Fire Extinguisher and I keep one nearby just in case. I clean the lint filter after every load and My vent is a very short rigid duct. 1 45° elbow down. 1 45° Elbow left and then straight outside about 18" Only issue I have found is that mine doesn't get as hot as people are describing and the Load is always damp after the end of the cycle on the Automatic Settings. It dries towels all the way though but clothes I have to re-run it like 3 or 4 times. I can't figure out why it doesn't dry all the way the first time.
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| Post# 1168072 , Reply# 10 1/1/2023 at 18:55 (701 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa) | ||
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Post# 1168087 , Reply# 12 1/1/2023 at 21:30 (701 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1168089 , Reply# 13 1/1/2023 at 23:57 (701 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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vmw disappearing I am very disappointed to hear that they're discontinuing their commercial vmw lineup. It's only gonna get worse. | ||
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Post# 1168091 , Reply# 14 1/2/2023 at 00:05 (701 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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bean counter Bean counters don't care about quality and performance. They care about money. Happy new year by the way. We'll see what the future holds. If I had to get to get a washer and dryer pair, it will be between perfect wash or classic clean or the GE commercial laundry. | ||
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Post# 1168104 , Reply# 16 1/2/2023 at 10:12 (701 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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VMW washers
Has it really been confirmed that they’ve stopped making these commercial models altogether?
That YouTube video referenced in reply number 15 is interesting but it’s riddled with mistakes. It would take me two hours to go over all the mistakes that guy made He’s also not taking into account that current VMW machines have been upgraded a lot. He’s comparing this commercial model to what they made five years or so ago. His review of the 27 inch dryer is particularly filled with mistakes. John | ||
| Post# 1168107 , Reply# 17 1/2/2023 at 10:26 (701 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
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Post# 1168108 , Reply# 18 1/2/2023 at 10:29 (701 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1168109 , Reply# 19 1/2/2023 at 10:34 (701 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1168153 , Reply# 20 1/2/2023 at 22:03 (700 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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mistakes What mistakes were made in this video? | ||
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Post# 1168361 , Reply# 22 1/5/2023 at 11:06 (698 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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speed queen perfect wash models So what will speed queen do with the perfect wash models? I believe they make both the classic clean and perfect wash models for those who want choices on how they get their laundry done. If worse comes to worse, I would have no issue with the perfect wash system. | ||
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Post# 1168363 , Reply# 23 1/5/2023 at 11:19 (698 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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VMW platform
I have no idea what's planned for the commercial models after this but it doesn't look like the VMW platform is ending as a whole. The Amana NTW4519JW model referenced above looks like just an updated version of the Amana NTW4516FW. More or less the same cycles and options, still a dual-action agitator but with a stainless steel tub instead of porcelain and slightly more capacity. Although, the jury is still out on the capacity thing. Amana's US website says it has a 3.8 cu. ft. capacity, while appliance stores from Canada, where this model has been available for a while, put it at 4.4 cu. ft. I wonder why the difference.
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Post# 1168370 , Reply# 24 1/5/2023 at 12:53 (697 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Canadian standards just measure volume/size differently, they're the same machine. Same with the old tv's. In Canada a tv screen/tube would be measured including the unseen area behind the mask whereas in the US it was measured solely on the viewing area.. ergo a 19" US set was a 20" set in Canada.. My LG front load capacity is advertised with a smaller capacity than the identical US model
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Post# 1168379 , Reply# 25 1/5/2023 at 14:44 (697 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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gentle on clothes I don't understand why machines are becoming more and more gentle on clothes. I don't have any delicates, so why is this happening? The last time I checked, there's a gentle/delicates/knits cycle. I want my clothes "beaten" clean. | ||
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Post# 1168381 , Reply# 26 1/5/2023 at 15:32 (697 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Cubic foot capacity of new top load washers
Are pretty meaningless because few of them fill the tub more than half full. If not just a quarter or an eighth full.
Yes, some machines have a cycle where you can fill the machine all the way up but that’s not typically how they’re used. Cubic foot capacity on frontload machines is a good way to compare them as you can typically fill the front loading machine completely and get things clean without damaging them. New machines are generally not that delicate on clothing impeller type machines are actually quite hard on clothing. John. | ||
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Post# 1168384 , Reply# 27 1/5/2023 at 16:18 (697 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Impeller type machines
Yes the harshness on clothes and the super low water usage resulting in reduced capacity is why I don't like impeller machines. Not that I think washers need a ton of water to clean -- front loaders don't but top loaders really do and that's why HE TL's fall on their faces often. I can fill my Whirlpool DD pretty full, not packed in but definitely loaded to capacity, and so far haven't suffered any clothing damage. I imagine I could get about half as much in an impeller washer, so John is right on that for sure.
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Post# 1168402 , Reply# 28 1/5/2023 at 19:20 (697 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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NOT the end The mvwp575gw is getting an upgrade, and will be replaced with a different model number. My understanding is the warranty is the same (5year parts and labor) and the unit itself will just have better options and a nicer look. That’s all I can confidently divulge. | ||
| Post# 1168414 , Reply# 29 1/5/2023 at 20:28 (697 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Regarding Maytag and Amana here. If I wanted to buy a Whirlpool top loader today, it'd be the WTW4816FW along with the matching gas or electric dryer. That has extra features, plus it has a 5 year warranty, and it's still cheaper to buy than both the Maytag Commercial or the Amana. However, it's only available through Lowe's.
www.lowes.com/pd/Whirlpoo... | ||
| Post# 1168515 , Reply# 30 1/7/2023 at 00:57 (696 days old) by smurdle450 (California) | ||
Here it is.
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Post# 1168521 , Reply# 31 1/7/2023 at 03:48 (696 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1168531 , Reply# 32 1/7/2023 at 07:16 (696 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1168540 , Reply# 35 1/7/2023 at 09:47 (696 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1168547 , Reply# 36 1/7/2023 at 10:45 (696 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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MVWP575GW vs. 585GW | ||
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Post# 1168551 , Reply# 37 1/7/2023 at 11:14 (696 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Ryne
For the new washer:
Water levels are low, medium, high and deep wash. Cycles are bulky towels, powerwash, delicates, mixed, normal eco, rinse and spin, drain and spin. Temperatures are tap cold, cold, cool, warm, hot. The final of the four rotary knobs is presoak and extra rinse, presoak, extra rinse and off (no options). | ||
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Post# 1168552 , Reply# 38 1/7/2023 at 11:20 (696 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Ryne, There are four knobs on the panel instead of three that the previous machine had. A water level selector is added with choices of Deep Water, High, Med, and Low. All cycles apparently follow the water level selector. None are indicated as hard-coded as previously for only a deep fill or a partial fill. Choices are Bulky/Towels, Powerwash, Delicates, Mixed, Normal Eco, Rinse & Spin, Drain & Spin. Wash Temperature choices of Tap Cold, Cold, Cool, Warm, and Hot. Options knob with choices of Off, Presoak, Extra Rinse, or Presoak and Extra Rinse. | ||
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Post# 1168553 , Reply# 39 1/7/2023 at 11:21 (695 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1168556 , Reply# 40 1/7/2023 at 12:03 (695 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Water level selector on newer Maytag commercial
This would be a selling point for many people, I can see that feature causing this machine to be even more desirable than even the TC5, and that's saying something for a VMW machine -- I think we all know how I feel about them LOL
But perhaps I would actually purchase this washer if my current DD were to die. Never thought I would consider a VMW washer again, but this actually looks like a really great machine! | ||
| Post# 1168567 , Reply# 41 1/7/2023 at 14:26 (695 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Hmm
Unless if they brought back the old school motor with the old school direct drive transmission, I'd still would buy a Speed Queen TC5 over this "new" Maytag Commercial. Can't say that I was impressed when I tried out the MVWP575GW1 last year. I think it washed just as good as the old school direct drive Whirlpools like my Kenmore 90 Series but I questioned about it's reliability because I kept reading online through different websites about the warranty issues they were having and I've read more reports of issues of them than I've read the issues about the SQ TC5. Plus this is not a popular opinion but I actually hated the sound it made as it was washing, quieter yes but not old school sounding as my Kenmore and the TC5. I guess the only thing that I did liked better about it was that as it was filling up, the tub slightly spun every 10 seconds I believe.
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Post# 1168572 , Reply# 42 1/7/2023 at 14:59 (695 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1168577 , Reply# 43 1/7/2023 at 15:22 (695 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 1168578 , Reply# 44 1/7/2023 at 15:35 (695 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1168579 , Reply# 45 1/7/2023 at 15:48 (695 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Speed Queen TC7
Would be an amazing washer if it was a TC5 with a TR7 control panel. I would absolutely do whatever I had to do to buy that machine.
If the Maytag commercial with water levels can get approved I don't see why this SQ would have trouble. Seems like both machines would use the same-ish amount of water. Ryne | ||
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Post# 1168695 , Reply# 47 1/8/2023 at 11:43 (694 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1168709 , Reply# 48 1/8/2023 at 13:29 (694 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Indeed | ||
| Post# 1168730 , Reply# 49 1/8/2023 at 14:34 (694 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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No Love lost losing the VMV's. | ||
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Post# 1168994 , Reply# 51 1/10/2023 at 06:13 (693 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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only getting worse From what I can tell, it will be only getting worse. Wait until they get rid of the tc5 altogether. | ||
| Post# 1169005 , Reply# 52 1/10/2023 at 08:35 (693 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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back in 2021
back in 2021 when shoping for new washer dryer i suggested to my mom that we look at the speed queen huebsch washer series she said they where to costly, i am the one that do the laundry in the house for 2 myself and my mom even do i explain to my mom that no matter the cycle chosen on the maytag washer we now have she thinks it takes to long to wash and since it was purchuse in 2021 the big question i ask myself is how long will they last since having this set 2021 had to have the electric outlet the washer is plug in replace then a month later was the dryer electric power outlet plus power cord and termal fuse inside the dryer (maytag tech) huebsch speed queen might be more costly in term of price but they are of better quality but keepong them in note because the curent washer is a vmw model but i know its not the machine thats defective but if i have to rely on hot or warm water it cause the house pluming to bang when it mix hot cold water even do its not reccomended to resolve the issue i have set it to tap cold water wash rinse cold water back in 2021 we should of gone with speed queen huebsch i even question my self if sometime use vintage washer are not the better choice last 2 pics as refrence
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| Post# 1170775 , Reply# 54 1/31/2023 at 08:14 (672 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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What a cluster f... No temperature ratings for any selection.
Cold water added to "Hot" (WTF?)
Cold water added to "Warm" (Another WTF?) No temp rating for "Cool"
Warm water added to Cold if incoming temp is below 50F (should be 75F)
This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water.
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| Post# 1170792 , Reply# 57 1/31/2023 at 14:20 (671 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Well that's disappointing, this new model also tempers the hot water as well. No thanks, I'd rather just buy a SQ commercial LWNE22SP115TW01 and swap out the control panel from a 9 Series.
www.automaticwasher.org/c... | ||
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Post# 1172713 , Reply# 58 2/19/2023 at 21:22 (652 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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new maytags What is the drive system on the new maytag commercial units? I bet they're trash. | ||
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Post# 1172714 , Reply# 59 2/19/2023 at 21:27 (652 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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cycle guide What is the cycle guide on this machine? | ||
| Post# 1172752 , Reply# 60 2/20/2023 at 16:02 (651 days old) by drummerboy928 (Chicagoland, Illinois) | ||
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| Post# 1172753 , Reply# 61 2/20/2023 at 16:37 (651 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1172779 , Reply# 62 2/20/2023 at 23:15 (651 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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drive system I highly doubt that they beefed up the drive system, particularly their transmission. I bet the average consumer will abuse this type of washer. | ||
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Post# 1172973 , Reply# 64 2/23/2023 at 23:26 (648 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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maytat hot water I have a feeling that the hot water temp on the maytag is tempered. | ||
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