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Post# 1171098   2/3/2023 at 16:25 (447 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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4.8 cu. ft. with heat pump dryer technology. Said to wash & dry a 10 lb. mixed load in 2 hours (see useer guide) Supposed to be on market June 2023.




Post# 1171116 , Reply# 1   2/3/2023 at 18:57 (447 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie )        

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Here are some details, 120 volt , interesting

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Post# 1171117 , Reply# 2   2/3/2023 at 19:05 (447 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Thanks Phil,,.

Post# 1171118 , Reply# 3   2/3/2023 at 19:48 (447 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The UltraFast Combo not only eliminates the transfer step, but it saves time with its ability to wash AND dry a large load in about 2 hours.
I'm dubious on this claim until I see it happen ... 2 hrs wash to finished-dry with non-vented heat-pump drying?


Post# 1171120 , Reply# 4   2/3/2023 at 19:54 (447 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
normal cycle

How will the washing and drying perform on the normal cycle?

Post# 1171125 , Reply# 5   2/3/2023 at 21:00 (447 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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Neighbors have a 120 volt Whirlpool washer and separate heat pump dryer connected to cold water. Washer shakes alot in spin and dryer takes well over 2 hours to dry any load . And then you have to empty a full container of water. Jerome, an old GE filter flo set would get it done in less than half the time. Unfortunately they are not here anymore.

Post# 1171128 , Reply# 6   2/3/2023 at 21:48 (447 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Aside from Miele (even then only their commercial laundry line) along with IIRC Asko and Bosch no one is offering 208v-240v washers or dryers in USA for domestic laundry appliances.

Since GE is going with a heat pump dryer in theory need for high wattage heating power is diminished. By going with 120v this unit can be marketed as a "plug and play" replacement for standard washer and dryer without requiring special wiring.


Post# 1171129 , Reply# 7   2/3/2023 at 21:53 (447 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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About 6kg give or take does seem to be upper limit for combo units if one wants to avoid hassle of having to take half load out of washer before drying starts.

Unlike USA across pond combo units never truly faded out, there long as been decent enough market for such appliances despite various drawbacks. Switching over to heat pump instead of standard air or water cooled condenser dryers is a game changer however.

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Post# 1171135 , Reply# 8   2/3/2023 at 22:06 (447 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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That sounds perfect.

 


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Post# 1171200 , Reply# 9   2/4/2023 at 13:47 (447 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Here is a short video


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Post# 1171207 , Reply# 10   2/4/2023 at 14:59 (447 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Everything old is new again !!!!

Post# 1171222 , Reply# 11   2/4/2023 at 17:11 (446 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA)        

This sounds good If I didn't have space for two separate units. However, with the space, I would not consider it. I don't mind the heat pump, but why have hours tied up in one machine doing one load, when I can have one load washed and put into a dryer, and then have the next load washing as the first load is drying? Let's keep it moving!

Post# 1171260 , Reply# 12   2/5/2023 at 04:45 (446 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
2h sounds dubious

No, not really.
4.8cuft is about 135l.

10lbs is about 4.5kg.
That - first of all and most importantly for drying - gives you the 1:20 ratio conventionaly regarded as required for fast and even drying.

Then, an EU stand alone heatpump dryer can dry 4kg of laundry spun at just 1000rpm (60% residual moisture) in about 90min.
This has probably a 1200rpm spin or higher in a bigger drum, getting you 50% residual moisture or less.

Given that most washers on the US market offer some kind of TurboWash equivalent, 30min for a wash and 90min for a dry seem reasonable.



I think that 120-180min is reasonable for most loads in this device, dry to dry.

A heatpump dryer can be surprisingly fast - especially at 120V - if you have enough space to give it proper airflow rates and a big enough heat exchanger.

You can do that in 24" EU sized cabinet for a dryer alone no problem.


Now, this machine "only" has a 4.8cuft drum in what appears to be a 27" cabinet but with a greater height than normal and maybe even an inch more depth.
Leads me to believe they basically designed a 27" heat pump dryer base into a pedestal, then added some air flow channels into a 27" washer by shrinking the tub a bit. Stack it and connect it, done.

Basically any current EU A+++ class dryer can dry 8kg of laundry (17-18lbs) with only 1.5kWh of energy usage in less than 3h from 60% residual moisture - that's the energy label testing.
They use a 400W heatpump and a 100-150W drum/fan motor.
That's an equivalent heating/drying power of just about 1.5kW.

If you can fit just that into the cabinet, you are basically already there.
Biggest challenge is getting good enough airflow and fitting a lint filter somewhere.
But given you have the additional space of a 27" cabinet, I don't see why that isn't doable.



I do think the price is absurdly good for that kind of appliance though.

A normal TOL frontload washer and dryer are probably more expensive than that - and they aren't even heatpump.


I am also somewhat of the opinion that the only reason there aren't any good full size heatpump dryers out there for the US isn't price, technical disability or even cost per se.

It really is only the lower margins one would have to accept and the probably lower demand.

Given all that space in a 27" cabinet, you could easily beef up the heatpump power - the already high needed airflow comes natural to US dryers.


Post# 1171264 , Reply# 13   2/5/2023 at 06:45 (446 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New GE full-size combination. Washer dryer.

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It’s always been in inevitable. that this product will come back to the market both for the US and the rest of the world. And transferring a load of laundry from the washer to the dryer has always been a pain in the neck with the days busy lifestyles. It’s much nicer to throw a load in and come back and have it done. This will also eliminate the mold and mildew problems that some people had with front loading washers.

This should also allow a self cleaning condenser system as it will wash itself compared to other heat pump and condenser dryers.

It makes so much sense now that front loading washers are the smart choice for energy and performance. There’s no reason not to combine trying in the same unit

I think you’ll see a number of other companies introduce similar products to this, and the cost should come down .

Hopefully they’ll make some simpler versions. I don’t like dispenser systems for detergent on washing machines because too many service problems.

John.


Post# 1171266 , Reply# 14   2/5/2023 at 07:10 (446 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

I would like to see a unit that runs on 220-240 volts for the US market.

Jon


Post# 1171270 , Reply# 15   2/5/2023 at 09:41 (446 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Yes, indeed, Jon

With a 208 or 240 V power source they could put a stronger compressor in and shorten the drying time another 20 to 30 minutes. They could also make a Coldwater only machine that could do a decent job of heating the water needed for washing clothing. It would be more energy efficient, especially in all electric houses were using electric heat the water anyway,

Full-size combos will be back.

John.


Post# 1175605 , Reply# 16   3/22/2023 at 15:31 (401 days old) by appnut (TX)        
KBIS demo video

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This was just put on You Tube about an hour ago.

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Post# 1175627 , Reply# 17   3/22/2023 at 16:55 (400 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Very impressive - I would wait awhile before I would make a purchase just to make sure it Works good!


Post# 1175736 , Reply# 18   3/23/2023 at 10:04 (400 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Same

I don't think that the design will be fundamentally flawed.

However, there are probably many components in there that could be failure points early on.


They - probably - will use an inverter heatpump and maybe even a variable speed drying fan like Haier uses on the TOL Fisher & Paykel heat pump dryer available in parts of the EU and Australia.


Programming all that is a task, and all these electronics can easily have bugs that can lead to early failures.



Nothing that wouldn't be ironed out in a second or third revision.
But better safe than sorry.



I am very happy about how they layed out the drawer though.
Still lots of manual dosing possibilities even with 2 large automatic dosing tanks.


Post# 1175750 , Reply# 19   3/23/2023 at 13:19 (400 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Due to its height, it looks like it's being squished between those pillars.

I noticed the Sanitize cycle is one that needs oxi. I also had to laugh at his "a full-sized load... of 10 pounds" statement. Not quite sure what to think of GE being able to track how much time passes between the end of the cycle and the user opening the door. With connected everything, it's not surprising - but I was a little surprised nonetheless.

Will be interesting to see how this unit performs.


Post# 1175752 , Reply# 20   3/23/2023 at 13:31 (400 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Tracking of user data

Being "on the inside" of such things now, they can track anything anyway anytime once you connect your machine.

If marketing wants to make some claim, they send someone on the software development team a request to insert that tracking feature in the next app update.
And within 6 weeks, you have your market research data, on the cheap.




I did not realise that it's a Sanitize with oxy cycle.

For such a premium appliance, I am somewhat surprised if they do not include a washing heater.



Load size is a thing there...
It is effectively the size of what an old school TL with agitator could wash, just for non stop washing and drying.


Post# 1175753 , Reply# 21   3/23/2023 at 13:32 (400 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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This is how it looks inside of the 24" Electrolux combos with heat pump.






Post# 1175831 , Reply# 22   3/24/2023 at 07:12 (399 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
The ELux HWD design

Is very "good" in ways and very "bad" at the same time.

They basically took a simple base washer dryer and bolted the heat exchanger on top.
That made it very easy to design and thus the first on the EU market.

Especially in the EU form factor, making a heatpump washer dryer combo is surprisingly hard.
Heatpumps rely on large heat exchangers and very good airflow, both things that just take up a lot of space.
They made it a tiny heat exchanger and a comparatively high power compressor with the compressor in the bottom of the machine.

Servicing is a nightmare.
Dry times aren't impressive. And it certainly is more efficient than a normal combo.
But nowhere near the potential.



LGs washer dryer combo with heatpump IS very efficient, but even slower.

That gets around the space issue by completely different means.
LG uses a moving drum inside a stationary tub - their "Centum" design.
With that, they can move the whole free travel of the suspension into different spaces - mainly horizontally in the base of the unit.
Thus, they mount fan, compressor and heat exchanger DIRECTLY onto the fixed tub at the top.
Combine that with an inverter heatpump and you get the efficiency you really should be getting.

That however leads to other problems.
The "Centum" system is pretty delicate for balancing, not very water efficient and known to eat socks.



Haier/GE used the fact that the US form factors are a lot more variable.

They took the 27" cabinet, filled it with a "one size down" tub and drum and stretched the cabinet by the height of a pedestal.
They then used the pedestal space as the dryer unit area.
Which in turn means you can have a normal wash unit with typical spin characteristics AND all the space of a typical dryer base unit.


Post# 1176013 , Reply# 23   3/25/2023 at 12:18 (398 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
An issue often encountered

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With washer/dryers is when they have finished spinning an item or 2 can cling to the drum and refuse to move during shakedown and staying put when drying and you end up with an item of clothing like a piece of card !!

No amount of intelligent programming can stop things sticking to the drum.


Post# 1176023 , Reply# 24   3/25/2023 at 13:25 (398 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Items sticking to the drum

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My next door neighbor had the 33" wide Lady Kenmore as well as the narrower Lady Kenmore combos. Sears technician told her to use fabric softener (particularly with the 515 rpm spn seeed for the narrower combo) and that would keep the garments from sticking to the tub. I can say I witnessed garments completely falling in the first couple of minutes of drying.

Post# 1176149 , Reply# 25   3/26/2023 at 16:58 (396 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
515rpm spin

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I would imagine they would be holding a little more water the last W/D I used had a 1400 rpm spin and a lot of stuff clung to the drum it needed an arm to swing in and peel everything off lol

Post# 1176223 , Reply# 26   3/27/2023 at 06:12 (396 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Laundry ring protection

There IS a system that checks for that and tries to actively prevent that.
And the one manufacturer doing that is of course Miele.


Since Miele is one of the 2 combo producers that still use the metal electrode plate on the door for drying sensing, they can quite easily detect if stuff is touching the door.

If a non stop wash dry cycle senses a load in the wash, but then in the dry cycle, there is no touch count in a certain amount of time, it runs a recovery routine consisting of wetting the load and spinning it again.
At least, that's what the service manual says.

Miele also limitis the final spin in a non stop wash dry cycle to 1200rpm (max, that RPM is reducible in the settings).
Since it - usually - runs a thermo spin anyway and that is run at full speed the likelyhood is quite minimal it would run into a stuck laundry situation.



Many other manufacturers rely on a few other factors.

Since most use thermal drying sensing, a laundry ring will not cause early drying ending.
Given that most do run thermal spins and combo dry cycles easily run 2h plus, at some point, the laundry will most likely release from the drum.



I would guess that more modern direct drive motors could do some sensing routine to check for a laundry ring formation.
But not sure if anybody does.


Post# 1176258 , Reply# 27   3/27/2023 at 16:21 (396 days old) by Mrlaundry1011 (South Wales, UK)        
Stuck laundry

I had that happen with my hoover 7kg washer dryer, a full load of towels got dried to the sides of the drum completely. I’ve noticed the new 14kg hoover I used they now do slow tumbles during sensing after the final spin and everything then just falls off, however still not anti crease or interval spinning. My sisters Siemens IQ500 washer dryer does interval spinning on any combo cycle, much shorter pause and tumble periods between bursts for gentle drying but cotton drying takes 25-30min to do the final spin since it does very long periods between spin bursts to make sure nothing sticks. It also does near LG stepping motion once the final 1400 is complete and during sensing, then again for about 10min once the thermospin has finished. Gentle drying does no thermospin however. I’ve noticed it stupidly gives up trying to spin if it can’t balance for the final spin easily or the thermospin, when drying bedding, that it’ll just end the prog and you come back to either soaking wet or warm very damp bedding at the end, think it’s happened 4 times in the 1.5yr she’s owned it. The hoover 11kg which had the 13kg drum never had stuff stuck to side, neither the Zanussi I had (though quite old)

Post# 1179797 , Reply# 28   5/4/2023 at 10:17 (358 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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This was additional current I just got from yale appliances


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Post# 1179863 , Reply# 29   5/4/2023 at 21:27 (357 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
I'll take a combo

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Without electronics, compressors, VFDs, wifi, detergent pumps, and complex air flow channels.

 

Give me a bank of 5,600 watt heaters, a 4/16 SPC motor and a 1970s Maytag Bakelite timer. 

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 1180007 , Reply# 30   5/7/2023 at 01:06 (355 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
Spin speeds?

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I wonder what spin speed it operates at on a regular load?
Hugs,
David


Post# 1180009 , Reply# 31   5/7/2023 at 02:11 (355 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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David, max rpm spin is 1300.

Post# 1180060 , Reply# 32   5/7/2023 at 17:58 (354 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well I have discovered the model offers "Sanitize with Oxi" which means there is no onboard heater/steam ability during wash, which now precludes me from ever considering this. No thank you!!!

Post# 1180067 , Reply# 33   5/7/2023 at 20:13 (354 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
pumps

Circulation or no circulation pump? Inquiring minds want to know.

Post# 1180182 , Reply# 34   5/9/2023 at 05:44 (353 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The new GE combination washer dryer

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Looks like this could be a pretty good Appliance. The video from Yale appliances referenced in post number 28 is just painful to watch.

I can’t stand these guys to get on line that just blather on and have no knowledge about the product at all the stupid questions they ask Etc. like the stupid remarks he’s worried about how well it’ll dry because it has such a large drum ??????

Unless you have a half an hour to waste, don’t bother watching, I actually did have time to waste on Saturday and watch the whole video. Oh my God

Combination washer dryers will eventually be main stream in this country. It doesn’t make any sense to have separate washers and dryers at all.

John


Post# 1182826 , Reply# 35   6/17/2023 at 14:43 (314 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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This now contains user manual if anyone is interested


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Post# 1182846 , Reply# 36   6/18/2023 at 10:07 (313 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Test

Attached below will be some of the test results from the same guys. Seems halfway decent.
This machine needs a built in heating element for wash water and a warm rinse option. Towels would likely dry quite a bit quicker.


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Post# 1182849 , Reply# 37   6/18/2023 at 10:16 (313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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That Yale guy always says various wrong bits of info and detail in his videos.

Dress shirts shouldn't be washed/dried with bath towels.


Post# 1182919 , Reply# 38   6/19/2023 at 09:09 (312 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Odd

Why this does not have a built in heater is beyond me.
It has pretty advanced controls and a hefty price tag - adding the relay and heater can't have been such a big challenge?!?

That's one of the things I don't really understand why apparently no heat pump combo does - for a "speed" drying setting, you could just cycle the wash heater during drying, much like a DW does during drying. Sure, eats into efficiency, but cycling it even to 500W or 250W equivalent heating power could get temps into the 100-120F range faster, kick starting drying.



It does have an "Extra Hot" temperature setting though that supposedly uses 100% tap hot water.
But explicitly states it does not heat the water.


Post# 1182923 , Reply# 39   6/19/2023 at 10:06 (312 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Exactly Henrik!!!!

Post# 1183145 , Reply# 40   6/21/2023 at 17:37 (309 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
washer sounds

How will this washer sound in addition to the drying component?

Post# 1187330 , Reply# 41   8/11/2023 at 09:18 (259 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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Here is another video that was just added!


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Post# 1187333 , Reply# 42   8/11/2023 at 10:07 (259 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yeah, Ben does good vids

Post# 1187337 , Reply# 43   8/11/2023 at 10:26 (259 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Very interesting

The compressor this uses is a single speed, linear LG compressor.

Not what I expected, but should be a quite reliable choice.
They could do a lot more with a variable speed compressor.
Together with the lacking water heater, that really makes me believe they had to hit a price point.


I think they might update some stuff there later in this products lifecycle.

If it gets them enough revenue, of course.


Post# 1187343 , Reply# 44   8/11/2023 at 11:44 (259 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I watched a video once on this a while back... and every day youtube recommends another video with this machine... and I usually watch it...and it must be catching on with a lot of people...

It doesn't have a heater...I think I could live with a FL without a heater. I mean, before FL's were a thing, we all had TL washers with no heaters...It's just that after having one for so long, it makes you feel like you're taking a step back..

From what I understand about this machine...a lot of people are commenting it takes five hours to dry but according to people who actually own this, those people saying that don't own one... they just believe it will take that long from past experience or something..because the ones who own it say this is not the case...depending on the load size, thickness, it can take 2 hours to max 3 hours..

I'm trying to imagine loading a load of laundry and waiting 2 to 3 hours before I can do ANOTHER load of laundry.... I guess I could work around that...changing habits, etc. One lady said she puts towels/sheets in when she goes to bed because she doesn't care if they're wrinkled....and saves clothes for the day when she can get them straight out when they are done.


Post# 1187354 , Reply# 45   8/11/2023 at 17:04 (258 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL)        

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I looked at this at Lowes yesterday $2800 for it. Nice idea but only for someone who has the time to spend doing laundry for hours. We have a 13 year old Whirlpool Duet pair (gas dryer). My wife did 4 loads(one week and 3 adults), Whites, Lights, Darks, and Towels. She started at 8:30AM and was done by noon. That is washed, dried, folded/ironed and all put away. And during this time she still had time to sit and work on her counted cross stich in those only 3.5 hours. This modern device would have taken over 8 hours to get done or more. This will fill a category for those who throw everything on one load.

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Post# 1187356 , Reply# 46   8/11/2023 at 17:25 (258 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Same for me kind of... Today I washed sheets, mattress pad, blankets in 3 loads.. started at 7:30 am and was done by 1130...Yesterday I did the same in another room.. Now, I have a extra set of sheets/pad/blankets so I don't have to wait...but this would have been a pain and drawn it out into an entire day..

But I can see how this would totally be doable with a little rearranging habits, which I HATE doing.

Wow - that duet set is 13 years old? And that's not even the German ones.. Cool!


Post# 1187357 , Reply# 47   8/11/2023 at 17:36 (258 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Reply 41 additional GE combo video

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Hi Peter, thanks for posting this video, interesting video, but the guy doesn’t know much about appliances that’s for sure.

Why he would try to test whether it really works in two hours without actually using the test load that Aham uses is beyond me, and it’s kind of common sense. You don’t mix towels with shirts and expect everything to be dry.

Every heat pump dryer I have seen the refrigeration unit it’s just a package and a replaceable part that’s nothing new

And it’s definitely a very energy efficient alternative Especially to an electric dryer. The operating cost of this machine would be about is low as a front load washer and a good gas dryer.

Reply 44, hi Mike where speed is important. The ideal situation would be to have two of these machines, but you have a very good set up now that works well for you and there’s probably no reason to change it .


I hope this GE machine speeds up the return of full-size combination washer dryer‘s, it would be possible to even speed up the drying time over what GE has done with a larger compressor.

They could also build a 240 V version if needed to get the larger compressor in it.

Even though most frontload washers sold have a booster heater in the United States so few people ever use it I don’t think it’s much of a selling feature and it does help keep the cost down and keep the reliability up by not having a heater in the machine.

John


Post# 1187558 , Reply# 48   8/14/2023 at 10:02 (256 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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One question I have is how the dryer part is able to work within the same cubic foot drum as the washer. I've always heard that you're supposed to double cubic feet capacity when thinking about your dryer as opposed to your washer. for instance if you have a 3.5 cu. ft. washer, you'd one a 7 cu. ft. dryer. The 4.8 cu. ft. washer drum is a great washer size but wouldn't that hamper the ability to dry evenly and well? Or is the method of drying different altogether?

I'm not sure I would care for this setup. As others have stated if I have more than one load to do I like to have one washing while another is drying. I suppose the idea is that you do laundry throughout the week or as needed rather than on one specific day, but I think that would feel to me like the laundry was never done. I dunno, I think like all things in life this would work great for some people but not everyone.


Post# 1187559 , Reply# 49   8/14/2023 at 10:29 (256 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Capacity of the new GE combination

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Hi Ryne, this machine is smaller in capacity than the typical large frontload pair from a US manufacturer or from Speed Queen.

The 4.8 ft.³ drum for capacity gives you about the same washing and drying capacity as a typical 24 inch washer and dryer from Europe, etc., this machine should be able to do approximately 10 pound loads easily.

It would probably allow you to still do a king size comforter, but it may not dry it is evenly and as wrinkle free as you would get in a larger dryer.

I would think once you get used to having an all in one machine, it could be very useful for most people you just have to get in the habit of doing laundry, a little more often , I’m sure there are times that any of us forget to take the laundry out of the washer and put it in the dryer for a half an hour or more so the actual time may not be that different unless you’re right on top of the washing machine all the time.


Post# 1187560 , Reply# 50   8/14/2023 at 10:56 (256 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        
Reply #49

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Thanks John. What you say makes a lot of sense. Yesterday I started laundry at about 1 in the afternoon and had two loads to do. One of pants/shirts (no jeans), load dryed in about 50 minutes. Other load was towels/socks/underwear/cotton pajamas and that dried in a bit over an hour. There was some lag time between loads as I was doing other things so I'd say I finished by about 5 PM. So yeah, come to think of it, time would likely have been equivalent in the all-in-one.

The price point does put it a bit out of reach for a lot of people so I hope that comes down some.

Also many people replace their washer but not their dryer or vice versa. For instance I'm almost certain my washer will go first but my Whirlpool dryer will likely still be working, so I would just need to replace the washer when the time comes.

But it is an intriguing idea and I hope it takes off well. Would be interesting to see how other manufacturers compete with this.


Post# 1187621 , Reply# 51   8/15/2023 at 06:54 (255 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Just a thought. You could have one of these and keep your dryer. Do the 1st load in the combo, take clothes and put in the dryer and start another load in the combo and let it go through the entire cycle. By the time the 1st load is dry the second load would be drying in the the combo.

Jon


Post# 1187707 , Reply# 52   8/16/2023 at 06:31 (254 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie )        

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I'm curious have any members purchased this yet as a daily driver? I've never considered myself an early adopter of new technology. All the reviews on YouTube with the exception of two that I've seen so far are very positive. The one very negative review was from some woman that bought it that had a family of six complaining about the 2-hour wash and dry time, to be honest is not a suitable machine for her unless she were to buy two. My current front loads Frigidaire affinity set is still working the washer does make a little bit of a scraping sound during the wash tumble when doing towels or heavy items. I am considering purchasing this if and when there's a bearing situation with the affinity washer. With the elaborate filtering system I wonder how well this will do with pet hair? I currently have a gas dryer and will keep that to use on heavier loads like towels.

Post# 1187712 , Reply# 53   8/16/2023 at 08:30 (254 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Yeah, this would be a very interesting unit to team with an (existing) dryer...do a full load wash-only of whites/towels, transfer to old dryer, then a smaller straight-through load of synthetics/lighter materials, and there you go!

Post# 1187720 , Reply# 54   8/16/2023 at 10:40 (254 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
But it makes me wonder what everything finished at the same

Time that way you’re not waiting on the dryer to finish drying with the washer dryer

Post# 1187727 , Reply# 55   8/16/2023 at 13:58 (254 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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At least one YT reviewer has large dogs and said this was an amazing results.

Post# 1187801 , Reply# 56   8/16/2023 at 21:25 (253 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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Here is a video of a test cycle. I was disappointed that the machine only did 1 rinse
very skimpy on water usage. Most FL give at least 2 rinses with optional extras.
Lets get some opinions?



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Post# 1187803 , Reply# 57   8/16/2023 at 21:33 (253 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
single rinse

Why would it do a single rinse? What cycle was it on? I thought it did 2 rinses on the normal cycle.

Post# 1187812 , Reply# 58   8/16/2023 at 23:21 (253 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
But it makes me wonder what everything finished at the same

Time that way you’re not waiting on the dryer to finish drying with the washer dryer

Post# 1187815 , Reply# 59   8/17/2023 at 00:18 (253 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I saw that video earlier recommended from youtube.

After watching this particular video... it makes me NOT like this (not that I need to buy or would buy this anyway. I'm sure there are other better cycles... at least I HOPE so... That being said, I would take this over an HE TL washer any day.



Post# 1188093 , Reply# 60   8/21/2023 at 11:26 (249 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Buy now or wait?

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I'm very interested in this unit. If I buy it, should I buy now or wait for later generations? 

 

Are there other brands that I should also consider?

 

Sarah


Post# 1188096 , Reply# 61   8/21/2023 at 12:20 (249 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
If you’re ready for it by it

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But the price could come down or it could go up may be improved or it may get cheaper in construction quality,

Many times today when they first bring a product to market it’s better than the products they make two or three years later when they start doing a lot of cost-cutting, and they don’t pay as much attention to quality when they’re engineers move on to other products.

So the real decision is really rather you’re ready to spend the money and you need the product.

John.


Post# 1188100 , Reply# 62   8/21/2023 at 12:51 (249 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

It's a relatively new product.
If there is no need to buy, waiting would be smart.


2 ways this could go:

It actually is a huge success and they make a second gen.
Then the "old" gen will go on sale to clear out stock.

Or they fail, and the old stock goes on sale to close that chapter out for good.



Either way, just keeping an eye on prices is always a good idea.
Over here there are price comparison websites that automatically send an e-mail alert when the price drops below a certain threshold you set.

Got my mum her dream fridge 300€ cheaper that way.


Post# 1188103 , Reply# 63   8/21/2023 at 13:19 (249 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        
Reply #60

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Sarah, my opinion is that if you are in the market for a machine anyway and you are a small household, so would not mind the wait time for an all-in-one washer/dryer to do its job, I say go for it. I think this machine could work very well for some people.

If, however, your current washer and dryer work fine and you wouldn't have been in a mindset to replace if you hadn't found out about this model, I say keep what you have and wait a while. Henrick in the reply above states why pretty well, so no need to repeat but that's my take on things. :)

Have a great week!

Ryne


Post# 1188110 , Reply# 64   8/21/2023 at 17:32 (248 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New GE 27 inch combination. Washer dryer.

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I predict GE has a very big hit on their hands, this machine will be sold the world over it’ll be a big hit in Europe, and through much of the Asian world as well.

Finally people can wash a full-size king size comforter, etc. at home.

This machine will be a big hit largely because it’s so energy efficient in Europe, they’ll probably make a model with an electric heater because many machines are still cold water only there.

This is the first mass produced full size combination washer dryer since GE discontinued theirs in the spring of 1973. Sales are already strong they’re back ordered until the middle of October, we have two on backorder.

It may take a couple years, but you’re going to see all the major US players, as well as LG and Samsung produce a full size combination in the next five years I predict.

John


Post# 1188112 , Reply# 65   8/21/2023 at 17:46 (248 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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John this combo is 28" wide you can check the specs - in fact all GE FL full size washers are 28" wide!

Post# 1188114 , Reply# 66   8/21/2023 at 18:11 (248 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Current full-size GE front load washers

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Hi Pete, thank you for pointing that out. I had not realized that their full-size front load washers and matching dryers are all 28 inches wide. You may have saved me a problem. I’ve only sold a few of the separate GE units lately.

Their top load, laundry and separate dryer‘s with rear control panels appear to still be 27 inches wide.

This is the thing I love about this site even as much as I know about appliances I occasionally learn something very important like this.

Thanks again for pointing this out.

John.


Post# 1188118 , Reply# 67   8/21/2023 at 18:56 (248 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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I am thinking of making a purchase on this GE but I dont want to rush into anything like I did with that original LG I had. I have the smaller LG now and it washes flawlessly. But the drying sux. I use the big dryers in my coop and hang dry a lot of my laundry. This big combo looks tempting especially to be able to wash and dry bedding. But from viewing one video I noticed the washer only gave 1 rinse and that was disappointing to me. The other thing I didnt like was the fact your almost expected to hookup to the internet to have good results with this unit. From what I understand it needs to be updated at times from the web. I am wondering how fast service will be with GE. I predict LG will be the next to make a combo like this one.


Post# 1188120 , Reply# 68   8/21/2023 at 19:28 (248 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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Where I expect this unit could do really well is in the communal laundry environment. Of course they would probably need to make a commercial version with beefed-up components, but imagine a college dorm laundry room with say 15 of these instead of 15 separate washers and dryers. College students and apartment dwellers are notorious for neglecting to switch laundry over after the wash cycle so this could be a game changer in that situation, not to mention universities and landlords being able to just set one price for laundry instead of separate prices for washing and drying.

Post# 1188130 , Reply# 69   8/21/2023 at 20:51 (248 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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I can’t imagine that a communal laundry room in a college would be a good place for this machine for many reasons, when you’re paying per load, people tend to stuff things pretty full, and this would be a very easy machine to overload to where it would not dry the load properly.

The extra cleaning and maintenance that the filter needs would never be done in a commercial setting you would have to have an attendant servicing them all the time.

I’m afraid commercial communal laundries are going to continue to be dominated by heavy duty, Speed Queen, type machines, and either gas or electric vented dryer’s for a long time to Come.


Post# 1188173 , Reply# 70   8/22/2023 at 09:29 (248 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE combo rinsing

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Hi Pete



You can select an extra rinse. You can also select extra water which adds 3 gallons to the fill level.

John.


Post# 1188282 , Reply# 71   8/23/2023 at 12:34 (247 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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The sensing to start the cycle was quite interesting...more than just trying to figure out load overall, trying to figure out how heavy the individual pieces are so it can loosen the spun-out clothes from the basket.

Post# 1188284 , Reply# 72   8/23/2023 at 13:02 (247 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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I'm just wondering if it gives more rinses on the Towels or the Whites cycles? Even with extra rinse selected sometimes 2 just isnt enough! On my current LG I can get up to 4 rinses if I select the stain option with extra rinse! But I always get at least 2 rinses no matter what. Cant believe water restrictions have become that tough!


Post# 1188289 , Reply# 73   8/23/2023 at 13:51 (247 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Peter, my current LG WM4200 for Towels cycle, default is 3 rinses. I can add a total of 2 more rinses for a total of 5. But that wasn't publicized, I had to find that out myself.

Post# 1188306 , Reply# 74   8/23/2023 at 16:32 (247 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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I feel all the cycles should be able to do at least 3 rinses. The newer LG and Speed Queen FL you can get up to 5 rinses! It's nice that many are offered but not really necessary in my opinion!



Post# 1188312 , Reply# 75   8/23/2023 at 17:32 (246 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
single rinse

I'm very disappointed with the single rinse on the GE combo. Why did they do that?

Post# 1188363 , Reply# 76   8/24/2023 at 03:28 (246 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Well if there's a more water button and extra rinse option...that's a relief!

Post# 1188364 , Reply# 77   8/24/2023 at 04:07 (246 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Just watched the video and yes, the rinsing performance is abysmal and similar to their regular front loaders. Reminds me of their top loaders that won't spin after the wash or that Soak Rinse feature where there was no agitation during the low-fill rinse.

Post# 1188475 , Reply# 78   8/25/2023 at 08:00 (245 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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I also watched the video and technically it did two rinses by it doing a drain and fill without an interim spin between the rinses, which is pretty typical for washers these days. I agree rinsing appears poor. I wonder if other cycles it will spin between the rinses?

Post# 1188476 , Reply# 79   8/25/2023 at 08:53 (245 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Here is one positive with extra water option


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Post# 1188613 , Reply# 80   8/27/2023 at 06:55 (243 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
GE combo

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This load was a test of towels with extra water selected as well as extra rinse! A little to much soap in my opinion. I dont know how many rinses it gave but all the towels did dry well in a decent amount of time.


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Post# 1188617 , Reply# 81   8/27/2023 at 07:20 (243 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Demonstration video number 80

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Good demonstration it seem to rinse away the suds very nicely, it sure doesn’t look like it had a dozen towels in it looks more like 4 to 6 when he removed the load at the end.

John


Post# 1188744 , Reply# 82   8/28/2023 at 13:01 (242 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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What the heck is with all that soap? I would say the user used to much but I'm pretty sure the machine dispenses it in the right doses? No? anyway, if it used that much water for the wash... and both rinses... that's PLENTY of water... just way too much soap...I cringe when I see that much soap because I know it's really bad for the washer

In all the years of having my FL washer, I rarely ever see the first soap bubble...I mean, not even a little.


Post# 1188788 , Reply# 83   8/29/2023 at 00:44 (241 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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I completely agree the user used WAY too much detergent, and the towels wasn't dirty at all. Adding the extra water option was overkill for that load.
The machine has 3 setting for dispensing detergent, less, normal, more, called "smart dispense" for liquid detergent. Powder detergent is added manually.
the towel cycle has 2 default rinses, only 1 more rinse can be added. Without the more water option, that cycle uses plenty of water.
The user of that machine obviously doesn't know how to do laundry correctly. sad.


Post# 1188792 , Reply# 84   8/29/2023 at 03:06 (241 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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the user responded to one of my comments and he says he ONLY used the more water option because people requested it... He thinks GE put that option to make those that who think FL washers don't use enough water happy...

I keep seeing people comment also about being afraid if a stain doesn't come out if it gets dried into the fabric setting it... Here's my experience with that... that stain most of the time will eventually come out with future washes (not always) depending how bad it is..even if it's been dried..I've missed food oil stains that got dried...I put a drop of dish soap on it...wash it again with the next load...dry it and the oil stain is gone...The only kind of stains I usually have to deal with are small food stains...and sometimes I miss treating them...but I can usually get them out even after they have been dried... so I wouldn't panic over that..


Post# 1188794 , Reply# 85   8/29/2023 at 06:42 (241 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Too many suds in a wash load ?

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Reply number 82, Hi Mark, while I certainly agree, more detergent was used on this load than necessary. I cannot imagine how the extra suds would hurt the washing machine.

In my extensive experience in my colleagues experience, I have never seen a problem with using too much detergent in a washing machine in so far as it actually harming the machines, mechanical or electrical systems.


If you want to see what the lack of detergent does to a machine, look at the thread on reviving a recent direct drive model from your fellow Kentucky friend, you could very clearly see the harm that it’s done to a washing machine by using too little detergent.

I always try to air on the side of using a little too much detergent, when I rebuilt my lady Kenmore belt, drive machine after over 30 years of use there was barely a trace of any film in the outer tub on the outside of the wash basket, etc..

John


Post# 1188802 , Reply# 86   8/29/2023 at 08:48 (241 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I don't know.. seems like I remember reading somewhere that extra suds are bad for the washer...maybe it was a spider failure discussion on here or something? I know there's many things that can cause it but most people agreed it was bad washing habits because all the machines we saw taken apart with a spider failure looked like HELL...the NASTY goo on the outer drum.. You're right... too little isn't good but too much isn't either...It's really a mystery why some spiders fail and others don't...it's gotta be something the user is doing...I feel like I remember reading excessive suds could somehow make their way into it causing corrosion...but I'm not really sure how that would even happen... so it could be fake news...

Post# 1188805 , Reply# 87   8/29/2023 at 09:53 (241 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Smart Dispense

In my opinion for most people, smart dispense is for people who are too lazy and stupid to be doing laundry. I can see if I'm a blind user which I am.

Post# 1188806 , Reply# 88   8/29/2023 at 10:21 (241 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
JEROME

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that is NOT the reason why the smart dispense is on that machine! You need to learn some manners on here, which you're not comprehending!

Post# 1188810 , Reply# 89   8/29/2023 at 10:53 (241 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Mark, goo on the spider, inner surface of the outer tub, exterior of the drum is not detergent residue in my comparatively limited experience.  It would generate sudsing if so, right?  None of the various nasty toploaders and front loaders I've cleaned up had the gunk generating suds when sprayed/scrubbed with water.


Post# 1188822 , Reply# 90   8/29/2023 at 15:20 (241 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Oversudsing happens a lot in laundromats, but those machines last a long time. But too much detergent like we see here and laundry that isn’t rinsed well, can lead to skin problems.

Post# 1188824 , Reply# 91   8/29/2023 at 15:35 (241 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
smart dispense

So what happens when the smart dispense tank tubes get clogged and error codes result? Sure I would use it, but how effective is it before these tubes end up getting clogged?

Post# 1188855 , Reply# 92   8/29/2023 at 23:25 (240 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I know cheap dish liquid tends to gunk up....whereas the more expensive ones don't... maybe it's the same with liquid detergents...? But what's a good question: WTH would you do if that happened?

Post# 1188863 , Reply# 93   8/30/2023 at 04:12 (240 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Automatic dosing issues

The EU had these systems for decades now.
Some systems have more issues, some less.


The biggest issue is not necessarily type of detergent/softener, but time.
If you leave for weeks, manufacturers recommended emptying tanks.
Most machines have flushing cycles for the lines in case of either changing detergent or leaving the system unused for long periods of time.

Given that within the pipe, there is no contact to air, the time until issues arise isn't terribly short.



But it can happen, and that usually means taking apart the system and flushing out all the piping or changing it out.

Some systems have the pumps right on the drawer which means there is less distance between where the detergent exits and the reservoir, others like Mieles TwinDos have quite long pipes.



In general, under normal use of the system (once a week) and with minimal care, you shouldn't run into issues.





On the topic of oversudsing with automatic dosing: These systems usually need to be told a specific amount for a specific load.

Since US detergent manufacturers appear to be less keen on providing such information, most manufacturers just "guestimate" what to dose.
Thus, he might have just misadjusted the system.

Some suds are usually not a big issue, but as soon as a closed suds layer with a sufficient thickness (half an inch or more) forms it certainly is to much detergent.
That is as long as rinsing performance is still up to par.
Some detergents just suds more even with correct dosing yet still rinse away nicely.


Post# 1188875 , Reply# 94   8/30/2023 at 10:27 (240 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New full-size GE combo

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It looks like GE has a real hit on its hands, I just checked with my distributor. They have almost 500 back orders for this machine. They said 200 are coming in on Monday.

I’ve predicted for 30 years that full-size combos will come back. It makes absolutely no sense to have two machines to do one job,

I predict this machine will be a big hit throughout the world as people in Europe, etc. can finally have a combo that will do a decent size load in a decent amount of time with very low energy usage.

It will be interesting to see how fast whirlpool Electrolux Samsung and LG get on the ball and start building machines that people want.

John


Post# 1188878 , Reply# 95   8/30/2023 at 11:33 (240 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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This machine is more than 71 centimeters wide and more than 81 centimeters deep. That footprint makes it way too big for European households.

Post# 1188881 , Reply# 96   8/30/2023 at 12:01 (240 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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John, I just don`t see this combo to become a huge success in Europe. I even have my doubts it will ever make it on the market over here.
First of all there`s not that much need for a full size washer-dryer like in the US.
Most nations in the EU have a tradition to use duvet covers which are changed as frequently as sheets and pillow cases. So comforters get washed less frequently than in the US.
Those who still prefer double sheets are mostly southern nations that get away with rather thin blankets. Again not much need for uber sized laundry machines.

Next thing is our love for rather small standardized appliance cabinets.
If you live in small city apartment where every square inch is precious the first option would be to stack a dryer on a washer. If this is impossible you`d either hang dry your clothes (still a very popular method to dry clothes in Europe) or go with a standard sized combo which might fit under a kitchen countertop or in a small corner in the bathroom.
If you have a bigger home where let`s say the washer would be located in the basement there`s no need for a combo. A combo is always a compromise compared to two separate machines.
And let`s not forget those who don`t have wide enough staircases or door frames to go above our standard cabinet sizes.


Post# 1188882 , Reply# 97   8/30/2023 at 12:04 (240 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Louis you got right to the point while I was still typing my post. LOL

Post# 1188893 , Reply# 98   8/30/2023 at 13:57 (240 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I do think a similar design (standard size, just taller) is the way to true and good heat pump washer dryers.

Certainly not all, but I do think that many that do need a washer dryer have 10cm of additional head room.

But, for the EU market, you really need to stay with 60cm width and not much more than 65cm of depth at max.


Post# 1188975 , Reply# 99   8/31/2023 at 14:34 (239 days old) by Lavamat_jon (UK)        

LG & Samsung are both launching their equivalents, being showcased at IFA 2023.

Both rated 25kg wash and 13kg dry capacity, and seem to have a similar set up to the GE - taller units with I presume a heat pump on top.

Hopefully both of these will have heaters unlike the GE.

Jon


Post# 1188976 , Reply# 100   8/31/2023 at 14:36 (239 days old) by Lavamat_jon (UK)        
Samsung

Samsung Reveals BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo at IFA 2023
Korea on August 30, 2023

All-in-One Washer and Dryer powered by Digital Inverter Heat Pump Technology
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. today unveiled the new BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo with Digital Inverter Heat Pump technology at IFA 2023, a major consumer electronics trade show in Berlin. The model eliminates the hassle of transferring laundry from washer to dryer and completes laundry loads in one step. It combines a 25kg large washing capacity with a 13kg heat pump drying capability and is backed by intelligent functions to give consumers more flexibility.

“Samsung’s first BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo with Digital Inverter Heat Pump technology not only makes doing laundry much easier by providing hassle-free load transfer, but it also saves space,” said Junhwa Lee, EVP and Head of the Customer Experience Team of the Digital Appliances Business at Samsung Electronics. “The laundry experience can now be more pleasant and easier, while also saving energy by AI Energy Mode in SmartThings Energy.”1

Saving Space With the New BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo
The model allows users to save space in their homes as it takes up less space than installing two machines since it can finish a full laundry cycle in one machine. Consumers who strive to get more utility out of their living spaces can take advantage of the free space for other uses. Its simple and flat BESPOKE design blends harmoniously with the home’s interior space as well as any other appliances and pieces of furniture.

Making Your Washing Easier
The features of the model and laundry cycles are designed to give users a more holistic and seamless experience. When consumers start the machine, they can control it more intuitively and select the course of washing and drying easily through the Wide LCD display. The display also shows informative reports at the end of the cycle for users’ reference.

With AI Wash,2 the BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo detects the weight, softness of the fabric3 in each load and the ongoing level of soiling based on the water turbidity to optimize the amount of water and detergent. Using this information it continually adjusts the soaking, rinsing and spinning time to achieve the best results quickly and efficiently.

Operating Automatic and Smart Functions
Samsung applies its advanced technologies to help users manage their machine efficiently. Once the cycle is completed, the door automatically opens so users can take out the laundry with less effort. It also lets out humid air and heat while bringing fresh air into the drum. The machine comes with Heat Exchanger Auto Cleaning System which effectively preserves the quality of the drying. It also supports AI Energy Mode in SmartThings Energy,4 offering smart energy savings.

Samsung will display its latest digital appliances lineup including the new BESPOKE AI™ Washer & Dryer Combo during IFA 2023, which starts on September 1st.


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Post# 1188977 , Reply# 101   8/31/2023 at 14:39 (239 days old) by Lavamat_jon (UK)        
LG

LG Offers One-Stop Laundry Solution With New Second-Gen LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer at IFA 2023

User-Friendly New Model Delivers Complete, Hassle-Free Laundry Experience

The new LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump

SEOUL, Aug. 21, 2023 — LG Electronics (LG) is introducing the latest addition to its second-generation LG SIGNATURE lineup, the new Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump, at IFA 2023. Leveraging LG’s advanced heat pump technology, the new, space-efficient appliance delivers an effective washing and drying performance, gentle clothing care and an unparalleled one-stop laundry experience.

The stylish 27-inch Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump features LG SIGNATURE’s seamless, elegant design, and boasts ample room for getting clothes clean and dry with a 25-kg washing capacity, and 13-kg for drying. A genuine space-saver with a large capacity, LG’s washer-dryer also integrates the innovative TWINWash™ feature, a small washer located below the main drum that’s ideal for cleaning delicates or daily workout gear. The ability to wash and dry makes the company’s new all-in-one model especially suitable for homes and apartments where space is at a premium, and responds to the call from many consumers for a laundry solution that saves both time and space.

A one-stop laundry solution, the LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer streamlines the user experience, providing intuitive ‘single touch’ control. Its AI-powered laundry and drying course detects fabric types and load size, as well as the presence of residual moisture, automatically applying the optimal settings for the best washing and drying results. Conveniently, the drying process begins as soon as the washing cycle has concluded, reducing operation time. This level of automation means users can spend less time doing the laundry and more time doing the things they love.

LG’s innovative, new appliance employs the company’s own inverter heat pump drying module to significantly reduce drying times and maximize energy efficiency. And thanks to 6 Motion™ AI Direct Drive technology, the washer-dryer also intelligently optimizes drying performance and minimizes fabric damage for each and every load.

The company’s new combination washer and dryer further enhances ease of use with a range of thoughtfully applied smart features. The appliance’s smart touch door and voice recognition capabilities, for example, allow users to turn on the machine and open its door with practically no effort at all. They can also use voice commands to set the washing or drying cycle, while the washing machine itself can verbally update users on the status of their laundry. Moreover, the LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer’s bright, seven-inch LCD display provides easy control of features and settings, and gives users access to any new cycles they’ve downloaded via the ThinQ app.

“The LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump is an advanced, all-in-one package offering space efficiency and time-saving automation together with a top-notch performance,” said Lyu Jae-cheol, president of LG Electronics Home Appliance & Air Solution Company. “Aligned with LG SIGNATURE’s new brand theme, ‘Live beyond.’, which is all about presenting solutions that help consumers live their ideal life, we will continue to introduce innovations that go beyond expectations and make everyday life more convenient.”

LG will be showcasing its latest home appliances, including the new second-generation LG SIGNATURE Washer-Dryer with Heat Pump, at its exhibition booth (Hall 18, Messe Berlin) at IFA 2023 in Berlin, Germany, from September 1-5.


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Post# 1188978 , Reply# 102   8/31/2023 at 14:44 (239 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Key word is inverter

I was - as stated - surprised to see a single speed compressor in the GE combo.

You can build outstanding heat pump dryers with single speed compressors.
But a combo is inherently a less than optimal situation for drying (air ducting is sub optimal, filters could be bigger etc. etc.).

Having the possibility to vary power levels can compensate for that.



I wouldn't be surprised if people find that the Samsung and LG offerings dry similarly fast or faster and slightly cooler, especially with larger loads.


Post# 1189201 , Reply# 103   9/3/2023 at 03:20 (236 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The stated 25 kg washing and 13 kg drying, would that be wet or dry garments?

Post# 1189202 , Reply# 104   9/3/2023 at 05:13 (236 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Dry garments.

The stated capacity fairly close to this one.

www.lg.com/mx/lavadoras-y...


Post# 1189204 , Reply# 105   9/3/2023 at 05:41 (236 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Speaking of combo units: Roborock is once again presenting its Zeo One unit. Part of the drying system uses Zeolite.

Post# 1189208 , Reply# 106   9/3/2023 at 10:42 (236 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The LG combo mentions the need to keep the cold tap open to use the dry cycle.

Post# 1189210 , Reply# 107   9/3/2023 at 12:05 (236 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Do you mean the Mexican one? That's a regular one the way they have been around for ages.

It was purely to what a residential 55 lbs washer looks like - turns out you already have them.


Post# 1189215 , Reply# 108   9/3/2023 at 13:15 (236 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yes, the Mexican one.

Post# 1189537 , Reply# 109   9/7/2023 at 12:52 (232 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
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Post# 1189668 , Reply# 110   9/9/2023 at 08:57 (230 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Here is a video of the unit being disassembled

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Post# 1189669 , Reply# 111   9/9/2023 at 09:39 (230 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Update: It DOES use an inverter compressor

This guy now says that it has a compressor inverter, but I am almost 100% sure that some video before showed the compressor sticker, and that model number led to a single speed LG compressor.
But for the life of me can't find the shot I got the compressor model number from.

I wouldn't be surprised that that inverter is a fan inverter.

GEs parts diagram lists it as an inverter, but not as to what for.



Edit:

I found my previous mistake!
LGs nomenclature is somewhat weird in that regard, and it does indeed use an inverter compressor.

Still can't find the shot that showed the compressor number in the videos, but found the following LG compressor number in my search history:
FLB075LBNA

The A in the end codes the control type as "A-control".
Which made me think it was a single speed.

But, I found another listing that shows the full spec tag of such a compressor, and it appears LGs uses some weird control scheme.
It says it is an Inverter compressor, but lists a variable voltage of 0 to 220V at a single frequency of 53Hz.
This could mean - since the F in the beginning means it's a linear compressor - it uses some weird mixture of voltage and wave form modification for power control.

So this might actually have variable compressor power after all.



Sorry for the mistake.




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Post# 1189671 , Reply# 112   9/9/2023 at 10:04 (230 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE’s new combination washer dryer

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Reply number 110, hi Pete, thanks for posting this video. This guy is probably a good repairman video. It’s not near as bad as the other one where the guy did a teardown on it

But as with so much stuff on the Internet, it’s not a very useful video, the guy has so much miss information it’s not funny and too little useful information, he makes comments like the board looks really expensive or why don’t you look up the cost of it, and the compressor is the least troublesome part of just about any appliance that uses compressors today why he would worry about something that he’s never seen fail is beyond me.

His thoughts that this is going to be a difficult product to repair and troublesome and you should buy a service contract. I wouldn’t trust any repair person that recommends a service contract on a product

Apparently it does have an inverter in it for the compressor and it also has a water heater for heating the water,

I have one of these on order that we will do some testing on when it comes in. I think it’s going to be a very successful product. I hope several other companies will follow suit quickly.

As I stated before I think this will become a huge product all over the world, including throughout Europe. It takes up a lot less space than two separate machines. Yes, it won’t fit where people currently have a washing machine in their kitchen in the UK , however for new housing apartments etc. the space can easily be found for this one very versatile energy efficient machine

John


Post# 1189672 , Reply# 113   9/9/2023 at 10:11 (230 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
And now I know why I am completely wrong

So, it was this video I got the compressor footage from:






Turns out he just spliced in some footage of a fridge and just showed the compressor.
That's where I got the number from.



So sorry for missing that details.

Research continues!


Post# 1189677 , Reply# 114   9/9/2023 at 11:27 (230 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
I "think" I found it

I'm off of work currently, so I have time to digg into that kind of stuff.

Looking at the 2 tear down videos, you can actually see it is a Highly branded Hitachi compressor.

You can see the last 9 model number digits:
04SD-H5ET
And it clearly says R134a.



Together with this pdf, you can gather some information:
www.philexi.com/down-load...

It appears it's a medium efficiency, inverter compressor.

The pdf does list a single speed R134a compressor with a matching name (BSA804SV).
It's dimensions and ratings would approximately match the compressor and application, the V instead of D just indicates a specific voltage and frequency, with D being a type of DC inverter application.

If you assume it is an BSA804SD and search for it, this is a pdf if its performance characteristics:
ries-gmbh.de/produkt/rotary-dc-k...
Under assumed conditions (70C condensing temp to get a 50C+ hot air temp and a 15C condensing temp) that heatpump can move something like 1500-2000W of heat, which matches just about what EU heat pump dryers manage.


Post# 1189687 , Reply# 115   9/9/2023 at 14:23 (230 days old) by Mrlaundry1011 (South Wales, UK)        

Looks like the new LG 25kg/13kg has a filter too, but this time on top like usual in a Japanese/Korean market with Panasonic and Hitachi etc

Post# 1189730 , Reply# 116   9/10/2023 at 05:38 (229 days old) by neptune1 (Northern Virginia)        
Washer/Dryer combo

Why can't manufacturers make a VENTED washer/dryer today like they did in the sixties? The Lady Kenmore vented washer/dryer combo was a pretty good machine.

Post# 1189748 , Reply# 117   9/10/2023 at 13:16 (229 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
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For this machine to get a market share, they should put in a heater first. Although boil washes are seldom done anymore, every machine still has the option to do so. An Indesit that didn't have the option was a disaster for the sales figures.

I already mentioned the foot print. A lot of houses has been built in the last few decades here, so this combo will not fit there. More housing will be built, but it's expensive to build here, so every square meter counts. No architect in his right mind will design a bigger bathroom in order to make room for a combo that is way too big for our standards.

And then the price. $2,777.- is a lot of money. Given the fact that GE doesn't have a distribution netword in Europe for household appliances (nor in a lot of other markets), means it will be more expensive here. At least €3,000.- or more. Noone is going to fork out that amount of money for a machine from an unknown brand with no service network that is way too big while you can have a decent washing machine and heat pump dryer (with the option to stack it) for around €1,200.-.

Actually I doubt that GE will try and market it here.



Post# 1189792 , Reply# 118   9/11/2023 at 06:22 (228 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Louis I don’t know what plans GE has, however, one of the reasons payer bought General Electric was to get their foot in the door with bigger appliances and they had their eye on the European market. I don’t know how that’ll pan out.

I’m sure they would have to add a heater, and of course make it 220 or 240 V etc. anyway apparently according to the last teardown video this machine actually does have a water heater in it but in any case all front load washers, either have a heater or have the capability of having one easily.

In any case a larger machine would be a big hit for anybody anywhere, the ability to be able to wash and dry, much larger items and loads is always a plus and machines worldwide are generally getting larger not smaller, including refrigeration.

John


Post# 1189800 , Reply# 119   9/11/2023 at 11:53 (228 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I think that Samsung and LG *might* give it a try.

I do think, for some people, it could have an appeal.
With the right marketing it could make sense.



But you wouldn't start a complete new distribution system for a single appliance.

Haier does not cross sell any US machines here, but both LG and Samsung do or did.
So they might just give it a shot.


Post# 1189854 , Reply# 120   9/12/2023 at 11:37 (227 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Looks an interesting Big piece of washer dryer combination unit , good seeing how many different people are embracing it . I like the guy with the ASMR channell videos , also this family mum who interestingly could sell this unit
on the merits of "finally time delay start finish technology has finally revolutionised laundry, she loads up each night and sets the finish 5 mins before getting up , washed dried - Job Done.

Like any product its the little things like time set delay start , max long spin speed before dryeing , thermal spinning , turbidity sensors and weigh / load / detergents auto dispense advantage etc .
All stuff we have had to a degree for years, but Heat Pump Tech takes it to the next level. .

Ive just got the LG 10.5 / 7kg dry, auto dose, 360d Turbo wash , condenser dry model and for just me in a small apartment its absolutely ace !!




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Post# 1189885 , Reply# 121   9/12/2023 at 21:07 (226 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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so basically...the last video is a big family... they use a workaround and just load it throughout the day and then time delay it to run at night and time it so that it's getting done by the time they get up...it sounds like they do it every single day...so no laundry build up...It definitely would change the way people do laundry.

Post# 1189891 , Reply# 122   9/13/2023 at 02:05 (226 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

That's definitely one way to use a combo.

Basically like many use a DW.
Either start it when you go for work, or when you're done for the day.

Except to reduce creasing you set it to be done just before you get up.
Then unload next time you are around to do it.
Could even run both "shifts" if laundry is a lot.



One issue with "done at" delay timing - especially with dryers in general - is that they assume a certain probable cycle time.

If that time isn't kept (smaller load, bigger load, OOB) it will finish early or late by a fair bit.

One has to just be aware that might happen, and might adapt that to needs.
Really crunched for time in the morning? Set it to finish half an hour earlier so it REALLY IS finished when you get to it.
Something's creasable in a small load? Set it half an hour late.


Post# 1189896 , Reply# 123   9/13/2023 at 05:52 (226 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Full size combination, washer dryer’s, reply 120

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Hi Mike, thanks for posting the video. It’s interesting. She’s certainly not a good spokesman for GE however too many mistakes, but she does point out that this type of product would work well even even in a large family

When the combination washer dryers were introduced to the world in the US in 1952. This was the promise was the end of wash day. You would wash clothing whenever needed as necessary, there were a dozen different combination, washer, dryers, engineered, and built in the US that all did what they claimed they washed and dried an 8 to 10 pound load of laundry.

Unfortunately, they were introduced to soon and did not sell as well as expected and of course they had initial problems just like automatic washers did in the 1950s unfortunately because sales were poor, the manufactures could not put the money into redesigning and improving the product and most manufacturers got out making them only whirlpool re-designed the machine completely and continued to make it till the early 70s, General Electric continued to improve the quality of it and work the bugs out of it, but they never made the fundamental redesign away from a machine that only spins at 200 RPMs.

it was still an informative video she brought out a Lotta good points. I feel sorry for her kids if she’s the only one teaching them.

John


Post# 1189900 , Reply# 124   9/13/2023 at 07:39 (226 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi John

Why would you say she is not a good spokeperson for GE ? would she not be an "Average Mrs Mum Laundry User" In which case while she may not be a textbook user by our standards shes found out what it needs to do for her requirements and it works for her
- clean dry clothes and a happy mum ?

Your comment did make me smile though as a few years ago I was working with P & G for Ariel at their technical centre and I asked the question "Why Dont You Include Any Of Our Guys In the Focus Groups" the Director burst out laughing and said " You lot would be the absolute worst for testing new products because you probably know how to use them better than we do - We Require Worst Case Scenario to make sure it can work in when used by Joe Public ? Ha Ha ..

Couple of things I noticed about the GE is for an inverter motor its rather loud on spin and my only worry (which is a requirement for me as in semi open kitchen area) is the noise level albeit for a few mins on spin but on the long period winey compressor / fan noise on drying, my latest LG WD is really quiet with the direct drive system.

The best thing I have clocked with my LG is the inverter pump system which is almost silent compared to the incessant Chug Chug of many drain pumps today , which when on a dry programme can be irritating !!


Post# 1189925 , Reply# 125   9/13/2023 at 15:57 (226 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I notice a lot of reviewers say that the clothes are sort of humid feeling when the drying is done...but that they are dry.. I wonder if that type of drying makes wrinkling minimal or worse?

Yes... You would definitely need to work out some things before setting delay if you want it to be done "around" the time you get up..

It sounds to me like they don't worry with sorting...everything wore that day goes into the machine and washed at night.. So that would take sorting out of the equation which BUGS me if that's what they do.

That's the only thing that I would need to figure out wash jeans and heavy items together (this day) before bed

Wash mixed load (this day) before bed

Wash towels this day (before bed)

I dunno tho - something about getting up every single day and having to deal with a load of dry laundry is just ugh to me.. I like to get mine done the way I do it now.. some days I want nothing to do with laundry.


Post# 1189937 , Reply# 126   9/13/2023 at 16:20 (226 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I personally think that - at least as an EU user that never really used household vented dryers - creasing is minimally worse in a heat pump dryer than in a normal condenser.

That bit of humid feeling is due to the fact that that is a closed system.
The laundry is dry, but warm, and there is a certain amount of moisture in the air in the drying system.

That amount is higher than in the surrounding air.
And that moist air is also in the clothing.


What you feel is the humid air in the clothing, not humidity in the fabric itself.
That's also why shaking the items once while taking them out makes the moisture "disappear".

In a vented dryer, after cooldown, all that air in the drum and clothing is only as moist as the room air - because it is.


Post# 1189950 , Reply# 127   9/13/2023 at 16:53 (225 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Heat pumps can go dryer, in my early Twin motor Miele dryers, stuff comes out hot and bone dry, even st Normal plus. The newer generation on extra dry comes out feeling damp until you shake. The stuff is dry, but you just have to program your brain to feel it differently.

On the plus side, the stuff from the newer dryer doesn’t seem to get as hot as the older generation.


Post# 1190089 , Reply# 128   9/16/2023 at 08:57 (223 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Here is another quick video

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Post# 1190091 , Reply# 129   9/16/2023 at 09:43 (223 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Another thought provoking video..

But what I cant get my head around , Washer Dryers are always a compromise, due to the amount of tech required and the amout of clothing being dried in one go..

So, Why would you ever want 2 of these if you had the space for 2 units over a full size heat pump dryer ?




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Post# 1190092 , Reply# 130   9/16/2023 at 10:35 (223 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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It's amusing that these reviewers who claim to be knowledgeable and technical always get some detail explanations and terminology wrong.


Post# 1190099 , Reply# 131   9/16/2023 at 14:37 (223 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Wash & Wear - a tale almost as old as laundry

First of, many US consumers don't use the full capacity of their uber size washers.
A 4.x cuft combo could potentially wash and dry as much as a 2000s TL was abled to wash.


And then, there is the old concept of truly wash and wear laundry processing.
Just toss in, hit a button, come back a while later and put away.

Laundry cycle times can be broken down into dry to dry times.
Dry dirty laundry in, dry clean laundry out.
A quick washer and quick dryer are only as quick as you put laundry from one into the other.
And even if each only needs 30min - you have to go back every 30min. If washer and dryer times aren't synched up, you either waste time or walk back even more often.



There are many reasons not having to make extra round trips might make sense if you are willing to make the other sacrifices.


Post# 1190166 , Reply# 132   9/17/2023 at 18:00 (221 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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What I can't wrap my mind around is that in the comments on the Youtube vids I've watched of this so many people are all like I'll just buy two of them. Who the hell has over 5 grand to spend on two of these when one can get a very high quality set for less than half that? If you have the space for two of these machines why wouldn't you buy a nice set and save a ton of money not to mention be able to move laundry along a lot quicker? I'm sorry but buying two machines like this makes zero sense.

Post# 1190185 , Reply# 133   9/17/2023 at 22:52 (221 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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What I can't wrap my mind around is that in the comments on the Youtube vids I've watched of this so many people are all like I'll just buy two of them. Who the hell has over 5 grand to spend on two of these when one can get a very high quality set for less than half that? If you have the space for two of these machines why wouldn't you buy a nice set and save a ton of money not to mention be able to move laundry along a lot quicker? I'm sorry but buying two machines like this makes zero sense.

 

Guy at my work about 8-9 years ago was talking about how he bought 2 combo units like this (don't remember the brand). Knowing it was only him and his wife (they never had children, both parents passed), I ask what the reason for that was. He said his wife has terrible OCD and was frantic about the possibility of the machine breaking down and having to use a laundromat. I chuckled and told him the spare machine would probably be deteriorated enough to have problems right off the bat from sitting by the time he needed to use it. He replied that that the main combo already had 4 repairs and they've been using the spare semi regularly between waiting for repairmen to show up for a diag, waiting for parts, then again waiting for the repairmen to schedule and fix.

 

My response using ancient Maytags without a single repair 😲


Post# 1190266 , Reply# 134   9/19/2023 at 09:57 (220 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
I think this is a good comparison






Both are ventless, both are heatpump, both are about the same price.


Post# 1190279 , Reply# 135   9/19/2023 at 15:05 (220 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I went to BestBuy today and saw it for the first time. I was rather impressed with what I saw. Aside from the fact that the unit is large - I did like the bold lettering on the console. Seems to be easy to operate from the looks of it but who knows. I dont like the idea of having to hookup to wi fi but I guess everything is made that way. Im not impressed with the auto dispense but again they all seem to be going that way. The price tag was 2900. I would wait for a sale but right now I'm not looking to make a purchase.



Post# 1190286 , Reply# 136   9/19/2023 at 17:07 (219 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Interesting comparison, and this guy made the least mistakes compared to the other ones he was the first one to accurately even know the voltage each machine operates on lol.

There are still many factors in deciding which one to end by and install. The stack units are in notoriously difficult install because you can’t get any of the utilities wants it shoved into the closet so the one unit GE is generally going to be a lot easier to install. Plus you have the space on top or above it to use for shelves, etc. and extra storage.

I would have to guess that the LG will be much harder to repair and more of a repair problem in the long run because you have a lot more going on with both a washer and a dryer then with one simple combo .

It also appears that GE has a much better filter for the drying system than the LG.

To me, it basically comes down to whether you want to convenience of being able to throw in clothes and come back and have them dry or whether you still want to bother transferring laundry all the time, the LG would have the advantage of two separate machines and if you’re really wanting to get a lot of laundry done on a given day two separate machines of course will be a little faster.

John


Post# 1190297 , Reply# 137   9/19/2023 at 19:51 (219 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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I agree with John in that I think it's completely personal preference, no right or wrong answer regarding which of the two units one would choose.

If I had to buy new of both washer and dryer right now, I'd probably splurge on a quality front load washer and just get a basic 29-inch Whirlpool dryer. I'd come out spending close to a grand less that way and transferring clothes doesn't bother me at all. My apartment is small and the laundry area is literally feet away it's nothing to me to get up when I hear the washer stop and switch the laundry over. I might feel different if my W/D was in a bbasement or garage, I can see in that case forgetting to transfer clothes all the time.

Ryne


Post# 1190306 , Reply# 138   9/20/2023 at 00:17 (219 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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why would you buy 2 of these when you could just buy a nice set??

Here's one very good reason: Not having to deal with cleaning out a long dryer vent run that eventually gets clogged every 6 mos to a year.. Obviously if you have a perfect setup where the dryer vents directly out would not make sense. So so SOOOO many homes have LONG vent runs including mine...but I use a workaround to keep my vent run from clogging.


Post# 1190307 , Reply# 139   9/20/2023 at 01:51 (219 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
matching set

I'd buy a brand new matching set if it was up to me. A nice front load washer and a matching dryer.

Post# 1190309 , Reply# 140   9/20/2023 at 03:20 (219 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

As said, if it's just about not venting and you have a 240V outlet, the LG WashTower in the heat pump version is a valid alternative.

Still have the possibilities of seperate units plus the larger drums.


Post# 1190311 , Reply# 141   9/20/2023 at 07:45 (219 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
GE Combo...

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"why would you buy 2 of these when you could just buy a nice set??
Here's one very good reason: Not having to deal with cleaning out a long dryer vent run that eventually gets clogged every 6 mos to a year"



True , My question as to why is based on a Full Size heat Pump Dryer if space for two units , no vent required !!


Post# 1190312 , Reply# 142   9/20/2023 at 08:07 (219 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Maybe people are using them like DishDrawers: one machine to take clean clothes out of, the other one as a hamper for dirty ones. No need to sort when you can wash in cold water with auto-dosed liquid detergent. 😉

Post# 1190373 , Reply# 143   9/21/2023 at 01:38 (218 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I keep forgetting about the heat pump dryers...

Yes, that would be optimal...buy a regular FL washer and a heat pump dryer INSTEAD of buying 2 of these.. Personally, I love having a regular dryer..

I'm one of the RARE people that don't have to have a matching set..(I just need them to be the same color) don't get me wrong. I would prefer matching.. but for whatever reason it doesn't bother me... which is very strange because I'm usually OCD about things like that.


Post# 1190426 , Reply# 144   9/21/2023 at 19:15 (217 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

There is a tax credit/instant rebate of up to $850 on heat pump dryers  coming.  It is based on your income level.  The tax credit is available now, most states,  not FL, will roll our the rebate program later this year.


Post# 1197200 , Reply# 145   1/15/2024 at 18:53 by peteski50 (New York)        
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Post# 1198520 , Reply# 146   2/3/2024 at 19:24 by peteski50 (New York)        
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Here is another interesting video


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Post# 1198532 , Reply# 147   2/4/2024 at 02:29 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Post# 1198534 , Reply# 148   2/4/2024 at 06:16 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Seeing their loads I am 90% sure that's just user error.

You just can't dry a 3cuft load in a 4.5cuft drum the same way you do in a 7+cuft dryer.
Keep in mind these are even less accurate in sensing as they have to use basically thermostatic auto dry with a very low temp system.



My partner ended up with a compact combo through some coincidences.

It can dry very well - if you keep in mind what you are drying and how much.

If you have basically 100% even thickness through out the load you can load more.
But especially on items like jeans, sweatshirts and the like with pockets and seams, you just HAVE to leave room for proper tumbling and airflow.

Combine that with heat pump dryed clothing tending to feel more moist you just will have people not understand the appliance they are using.


Post# 1198539 , Reply# 149   2/4/2024 at 08:43 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New GE heat pump combo review, reply, number 146

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Hi Pete, thanks for posting, I actually watched the whole review. It’s a little bit painful the poor guy that did it. I’m sorry he’s acting career didn’t make it.

I think the main problem he’s having is he’s having buyers remorse about how much he paid for it and when you have space for a full-size washer and dryer, he was a fool to give up the Maytag dryer, he just got rid of a pair of machines that cost about $1700 to buy this machine and he thought it was gonna do everything. He should’ve kept the dryer to have when the occasionally want to do really large loads, or if they were in a hurry, rather than all the whining, he never mentioned how much water and electricity this new machine is saving either maybe he can’t figure that out.

The main problem he’s having with drying is the loads may be a little big but the machine is tangling the stuff, and this was my fear. You really can’t have a dryer with a slanted drum , it’s bad enough to have a washing machine with a slanted drum but you can untie things before they go in the dryer, but a combo I think is going to have problems with this. This may be the biggest flaw I’ve seen in this GE yet.

The little bit of lint that he pulled out of the lid, filter, housing, etc. was not causing a problem , but he feels good by cleaning it. You’re only supposed to clean the lint filter every two or three loads every time you remove the filter lint gets past the filter assembly it’s not necessary it’s also not necessary to tape and glue the filter halves together that’s not where the lint is getting into the blue condenser. Also, his pictures of the blue condenser never showed , any significant lint on the condenser there’s no problem with the machine.

He’s also completely confused by technology doesn’t seem to know how to schedule a warranty call understand how deliveries work, when he showing you how the tighten the locknuts on the front feet he’s turning them the wrong way, etc.


Post# 1198544 , Reply# 150   2/4/2024 at 10:25 by peteski50 (New York)        
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This is a new video - I wonder how the boot got twisted like that!


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Post# 1198547 , Reply# 151   2/4/2024 at 12:10 by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)        
Boot twisted

Something like that was shown in another thread some time ago, and the only possible explanation seemed to be that something was caught between the boot and the glass door (user error) so that when the machine spun it caused that damage

Post# 1198550 , Reply# 152   2/4/2024 at 12:44 by me (Essex, UK)        

Possibly something sharp, like a broken zip pull attached to a bulky item pierced the seal, or hooked through a drain hole in the seal and the seal ripped and twisted up rather than the item ripping.

A common problem with some early washer dryer designs was fastenings like buttons getting hooked in the air vent hole at the front, although that usually ripped the clothing.



Post# 1198555 , Reply# 153   2/4/2024 at 14:07 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Torn door boot on a front load washer

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This can happen with any front load washer it’s definitely user air. They didn’t show what item was stuck in the boot probably a pair of jeans with a screwdriver in the pocket, lol.

The unfortunate thing is GE will end up paying for this user error this guy should be a whole lot, nicer with a whole house full of GE appliances. They might get tired of his bullshit pretty quickly Treating the service provider like that is not the way to get good service wait until that refrigerator starts breaking down.

I’m afraid Pete, this video is not worth posting except to show what assholes people can be in this world.

John



Post# 1198736 , Reply# 154   2/7/2024 at 13:15 by peteski50 (New York)        
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This is a more positive video!

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Post# 1198741 , Reply# 155   2/7/2024 at 14:01 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
what combo52 said

I agree what combo52 said. Also as I have pointed out so many times, people just shove everything into a single without sorting whatsoever or even emptying their pockets. And then they blame the machine.

Post# 1198742 , Reply# 156   2/7/2024 at 14:06 by peteski50 (New York)        
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I think GE should have made or should make a brush to clean out the inside of that filter assembly and supply it with each unit!

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Post# 1198743 , Reply# 157   2/7/2024 at 14:07 by peteski50 (New York)        
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I didnt mean to attach the same video again


Post# 1198774 , Reply# 158   2/8/2024 at 02:03 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Issue is that it's very easy to bend the fins of the heat exchanger - and once they are bend, they impede airflow even worse than some fluff.

While yes any lint build up on the evap isn't optimal, it takes a lot more than you'd think to have any major impact.
Keep in mind most lint is in the front half inch of the heat exchanger, the rest of it will be basically free of any lint.


Post# 1198941 , Reply# 159   2/10/2024 at 01:24 by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Today I scrapped a Miele Heat Pump drier from 2011, I bought it second hand for $100 and when it arrived, there were no secondary filters and the front of the evaporator was choked with fluff and lint. I cleaned it out but it never managed to dry a load, it would get warm but never hot, it was either worn out from age or abuse.

I stripped it down for parts as everything other than the sealed system is compatible with the 4 others that I have, what amazed me, is how clean the evaporator and condenser were, considering that the front of the evaporator was originally stuffed full of fluff. For those speculating about the fluff forcing itself all the way through, this is what a 13yo abused dryer looks like.

I had only ever cleaned the front, the rest of the unit is as freshly unwrapped.

The evaporator is at the front, the condenser at the back and there is a secondary condenser in front of the compressor, this is used to dump heat into the room to reduce the temp in the airflow and to help improve the condensation of moisture.

Best of all, I dissaessmbled the entire thing, with just the refrigeration system left on the base, all with a single Torx Screwdriver. No other tools needed


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