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Thread Number: 92837
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Post# 1174148 , Reply# 1 3/8/2023 at 22:09 (416 days old) by GELaundry4ever  (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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video I am going to watch the video. | ||
| Post# 1174637 , Reply# 2 3/13/2023 at 17:07 (411 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Post# 1174653 , Reply# 3 3/13/2023 at 20:38 (411 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Not surprised that it doesn't use the old school DD system.
And I'm not really sure why it doesn't, being that it's non-high efficiency in every other way including water levels. You'd think they could make it a truly commercial machine by putting a real transmission in it. This is proof of what many have suspected all along -- the VMW platform isn't about high efficiency as some people like to think it is. Yes, a lot of VMW machines are high efficiency but the reason for the platform is a cost-saving measure. I think the DD platform was getting too expensive to produce in today's market. | ||
| Post# 1174669 , Reply# 4 3/13/2023 at 23:19 (411 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
No DD transmission | ||
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Post# 1174701 , Reply# 5 3/14/2023 at 09:12 (410 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Yes I am aware of this. I'm just pointing out that back when DD's stopped being produced, it was rumored by some that it was because of efficiency standards tightening and the DD platform couldn't meet those. Obviously that is not actually the case, being that we still have these full-fill TL washers. There must have been other reasons, so I can only surmise that cost was a large part of it.
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| Post# 1174746 , Reply# 6 3/14/2023 at 18:53 (410 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
if my curent washer daily driver ended up being a lemon
if my curent washer turn out after 3 years to be a lemon or with a major defect and needed to be exanche because of extended warenty i think i would chose the model in the video just would just like to know cycle leght for each cycle for this model? and if it would mean exchanging the dryer as well to have a match set woukd go with the matching electric dryer
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| Post# 1174748 , Reply# 7 3/14/2023 at 19:49 (410 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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I was hoping they'd bring back the old school DD system just like when Speed Queen brought back their old school top load washer. I'd agree that the DD top load washers was most likely getting more expensive to make. But they would've still competed against the reliability to SQ's TC5. Probably would've costed around the same as the TC5 or maybe a little less which I would've had no problem with, you basically get what you pay for. Speaking of price, the other Maytag is now discounted for a closeout at $809. Only 7 left until they're gone for good.
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Post# 1174753 , Reply# 8 3/14/2023 at 21:19 (410 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Washer, energy, efficiency
Is more than just water consumption, new style VMW type machines, spin much faster than TC fives and direct drive Whirlpools , they also use about 1/4 of the electricity to run the machine, they’re also 40 or 50 pounds lighter using a lot less materials to build the machine.
All of this is taken into account in the design and energy efficiency of machines, in any case, there’s no top load washer that I would buy today. If you’re serious about washing machines, get a Speed Queen front loader or possibly a whirlpool or Maytag front load washer. John. | ||
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Post# 1174783 , Reply# 9 3/15/2023 at 08:20 (410 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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washer video I saw the video, and I was disappointed. There's no direct drive system. It will break at any moment with a normal family. I count on it. | ||
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Post# 1174794 , Reply# 10 3/15/2023 at 11:29 (409 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1174797 , Reply# 11 3/15/2023 at 12:23 (409 days old) by drummerboy928 (Illinois) | ||
This machine also has the heavier duty 1/2 HP motor, belt, and other components. IIRC the old models really only struggled with the gearboxes, since they use the same plastic gearbox as the other models. I don’t doubt that they used it again in these new models, but I wouldn’t say that they would be horrible machines, especially now with the added water level selector. At a moderately reasonable $1,034 without sales pricing, I can see these being a pretty strong competitor in the field of modern washers.
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Post# 1174886 , Reply# 13 3/16/2023 at 06:57 (409 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Old washers and dryers
Are not lined up in a junkyard somewhere or being buried in landfill.
They are generally crushed and ground up and recycled for metal, Content and , etc.. It’s a difficult equation to decide whether a new machine pays for itself or not in savings and energy. It seems that even these new cheaper machines are lasting a decade or so judging by what we see going into the recycling. In any event anybody that’s interested in and serious about a washing machine has a little business buying a top load washer they are simply an inferior product, they’re not good for your clothing. They’re not good for the environment or not very efficient overall. John | ||
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Post# 1174894 , Reply# 15 3/16/2023 at 10:56 (408 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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"From my experience I think 10 years from a new Whirlpool is optimistic."
My VMW Whirlpool lasted just under six years. It finally did this thing where it got stuck shifting between drain and spin, reminded me of a computer getting frozen up, although usually with the computer turning it off and back on or perhaps unplugging and replugging it usually solves the frozen issue...not so with the whirlpool VMW. Whatever I tried, I couldn't get it to unhang itself from that point in the cycle. Repairman told me it was the gearbox but since I know a bit more about these machines now I wonder if it was actually the mode shifter that gave out. I do think these commercial versions might last a few years longer than that, but only time will tell. | ||
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Post# 1174896 , Reply# 16 3/16/2023 at 11:03 (408 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Regarding FL vs. TL, I agree FL is probably the way to go in the modern market in many cases though not all. As mentioned above, some peoples' houses just aren't made for the design of an FL. My dad and stepmom have a tiny pass-through laundry room, you walk through it from the garage to get to the rest of the house. There are the laundry machines on one side and the furnace on the other and literally enough room to walk between them. The washer is next to the garage door so I can't picture a front loader not getting in the way of the garage door opening/closing or there even being enough room to have both front-opening doors ajar on washer and dryer to load/unload laundry. I'm sure modern houses are structured differently to account for this but older houses definitely look like they were built with TL's in mind.
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Post# 1174898 , Reply# 17 3/16/2023 at 11:06 (408 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1174902 , Reply# 18 3/16/2023 at 12:27 (408 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1174937 , Reply# 19 3/16/2023 at 20:03 (408 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Recycling, major appliances, etc.
Modern front loading washers can use as little as 1/4 of the electricity, the hot water half the detergent and 1/3 the water of a traditional top loading washer.
There is no evidence that these new machines only last 1/3 as long many of these VMW washers will actually last 30 years in the usage they’re subject to in homes. Yes, it takes a lot of energy to build a washing machine. That’s why modern machines that weigh half as much already are saving a lot of energy in manufacturing and shipping costs I just delivered two new high-efficiency top loading washers today to people we easily just picked the machine up and carried it up and down the stairs. We can’t do that with older machines or even TC5000 so even if these new washers last half as long you’re still way ahead when you consider that they use so much less energy. For people with tight laundry rooms, the 24 inch European size machines will fit easily, a 24 inch European machine will do the same approximate load as older top loading washer, such as a Maytag or direct drive whirlpool. Even if you have unlimited free well water you still have to heat it. You still have to put enough detergent in it to make it work and you still have to pay to run the washer which takes at least three times as much electricity as a modern washer if you have a standard split phase motor running the washer. Hi Sean, reply number 18 are you really that out of things? I think everybody realizes that my picture is a picture of a museum showing off the technology of the last 70 years of washing machines that is not my laundry room. I think that’s pretty obvious. John. | ||
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Post# 1174947 , Reply# 20 3/16/2023 at 21:00 (408 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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The front load vs. top load debate will go on and on until both sides are left screaming into the void. I think it's safe to say we all have washers we like and ones we don't. That's what's so great about this board -- so many different opinions and a wealth of knowledge to bring to the table. It'd be a pretty boring world if we all thought things should be done the same wouldn't it? :)
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| Post# 1174959 , Reply# 21 3/16/2023 at 23:52 (408 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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I definitely agree with you, it would suck living in a place where everything is exactly the same. And I also agree that there is no ending battle between what is better between a top loader and a front loader. Both have it's pros and cons from my experience. In the end, we just use what we like the best. As for me, I'm a type of person that would love to have both a top loader and a front loader in my house. We did it at our last cabin before and I really liked that idea. But if it all had to come down to this where if I was given a choice to keep only one washer in the whole wide world and use it for the rest of my life, what would it be and why? It would be my Kenmore 90 Series. I love that thing so much, it is my all time favorite. I think it's what really got me into laundry in the first place. And there's a good chance that I may end up using that machine for the rest of my life since it's the only washer that I own.
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Post# 1174962 , Reply# 22 3/17/2023 at 00:25 (408 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1174963 , Reply# 23 3/17/2023 at 00:44 (408 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Bob,
those Frigidaire FL’s from the late 90’s early 2000’a were really very good machines. If they still made FL’s like those I’d have one in a hot second. They were relatively fast, cleaned excellently and weren’t temperamental about going into a spin AND maintaining a spin. I owned two of these, should have never gotten rid of the last one. Eddie | ||
| Post# 1174970 , Reply# 25 3/17/2023 at 02:30 (408 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
 Most of the weight savings isn't geared for the purpose of customer or the environment, it's for shipping materials from other countries, specifically 3rd world countries....mainly China. I'd rate recyclability as a strong priority of being environmentally friendly as well. Plastic is certainly not one of them. All of those good old machines from the past were made from quality, virgin metal and are very recycle friendly. What happened to all of those millions of plastic outer tubs is DD Whirlpool/Kenmore machines that people threw out? Probably sitting in landfills leaching toxins into our water supply, screwing around with out endocrine functions.
I'd also rate longevity and reparability as environmental pluses. Back in the 90's, it was still easy to obtain most parts and repair most machines back to the 50's, at least from the Big 3 (Whirlpool/Kenmore, Maytag, GE). Today, lots of parts are obsoleted after 10 years from end of production, if not sooner. | ||
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Post# 1174973 , Reply# 26 3/17/2023 at 06:47 (408 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE filter-flo or whirlpool Give me a GE filter-flo or a whirlpool clean touch any day of the week. none of these new machines will get your clothes clean in a gallon of water. I am so sick and tired of these energy and water restrictions. I just want clean clothes! I don't care about the environment! You can't have both! | ||
| Post# 1174980 , Reply# 27 3/17/2023 at 11:25 (407 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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You can't have both! At the risk of getting off topic, I'm not so sure. I think good policies and some sense could take care of both. But right now, despite what ever the intentions may be, we're getting neither. I'll leave it there, but I understand what you're saying. | ||
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Post# 1175026 , Reply# 29 3/17/2023 at 19:47 (407 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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| Post# 1175031 , Reply# 30 3/17/2023 at 20:38 (407 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Post# 1175034 , Reply# 31 3/17/2023 at 20:56 (407 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE washer Which GE washer are you talking about? Are you talking about the newest models? | ||
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