Thread Number: 92846
/ Tag: Vintage Dishwashers
KitchenAid dishwasher timer got stuck/dispenser not opening |
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Post# 1174279 , Reply# 1   3/10/2023 at 13:49 (420 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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Anyone have any ideas? I’d really like to use this dishwasher if possible |
Post# 1174283 , Reply# 2   3/10/2023 at 14:24 (420 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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From what you described, it sounds like the timer motor is OK, but the mechanism that it drives has some kind of dead spot or is otherwise getting hung up. This seems odd for a barely used machine. I wouldn't know exactly how to analyze this, and finding a replacement mechanism could be a challenge since yours isn't a model that was sold to the general public.
The timer assembly is easy to access if you want to investigate what might be wrong. The control panel is held by a few screws. Remove those and it will open up to reveal the wiring, etc.
There are experts here who may be able to provide a diagnosis or troubleshooting advice. You may need to be patient and allow them some time to reply. |
Post# 1174288 , Reply# 3   3/10/2023 at 14:39 (420 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1174291 , Reply# 4   3/10/2023 at 14:52 (420 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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Have you installed this machine? Are you trying to test run it with cold water? "Automatic Water Heating" will pause the timer until the water temperature gets up to a pre-set number (140 degrees?). I think it is probably fine.
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Post# 1174315 , Reply# 5   3/10/2023 at 19:31 (420 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1174317 , Reply# 6   3/10/2023 at 20:26 (420 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1174340 , Reply# 7   3/11/2023 at 00:56 (420 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1174360 , Reply# 8   3/11/2023 at 06:14 (420 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I don't think there is any thermal hold on this DW, you can try pushing Energy Saver Wash to by pass any water heating if you want to try this.
Does the timer feel stiff and kind of stick where it gets stuck ?, If so open up the control panel and spray some silicone spray lubricant in the timer on the cam etc [ Do Not Use WD 40 ] this often helps if the timer gets stuck.
John L. |
Post# 1174379 , Reply# 10   3/11/2023 at 10:04 (419 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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The user manual I found infers that the timer does stall during water heating of the main wash period. Parts diagram shows two thermostats on the heating element, perhaps one normal/140°F and one overheat protection? |
Post# 1174388 , Reply# 11   3/11/2023 at 10:47 (419 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1174417 , Reply# 12   3/11/2023 at 15:07 (419 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I don't see where the verbiage in the manual cites a specified heating period where all action stops. Instead, it reads that the cycle will continue to wash while the water is being heated.
As a former owner of a KDI21, this matches my experience. I don't think there is any difference between the automatic water heating across the 21, 22 and 23 series. Taking this further, I think the term "Automatic Water Heating" means that the heating occurs while machine is running instead of a silent period of inactivity while the water is heated, which was true for the 20 and earlier series with the feature that added heat to the tap-hot water. |
Post# 1174429 , Reply# 13   3/11/2023 at 17:05 (419 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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I don't see where the verbiage in the manual cites a specified heating period where all action stops.
All action never stops, just the timer motor. It's stated under "Time Needed To Heat Water" how lower water temperatures will extend time during the wash portion of the cycle until 140F is met. The only way it could achieve a longer cycle is by stalling the timer.
heating occurs while machine is running instead of a silent period of inactivity...
That matches up with what the poster states. The timer stalls during the wash cycle until 140F is reached, then continues advancing. I don't think the poster ran the machine long enough to achieve 140F during the wash portion of the cycle for the timer to advance.
I never used these newer machines before so I may be overlooking something here. It doesn't rule out a bad timer/dead spot if it never advances once 140F is achieved during the wash portion of the cycle. |
Post# 1174434 , Reply# 14   3/11/2023 at 18:06 (419 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1174503 , Reply# 15   3/12/2023 at 12:23 (418 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Glenn and Dan you’re absolutely right, this dishwasher does have one thermal hold in the main wash where it holds the timer operation till it hits 140° this can be omitted as glen found by pushing energy saver wash. Then the timer should go right through the cycle
If the incoming water temperature is low or the dishwasher is not installed and insulated, it could take more than a half an hour before the timer will start to advance from this. It’s only a 750 W element that’s heating the water. I was working on a similar model yesterday and it does stall for quite a while while heating the water to 140. The customer had an instantaneous gas water heater that’s only putting out about 120° , John |
Post# 1174592 , Reply# 16   3/13/2023 at 08:04 (418 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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I would like to clarify that it continued washing while it seemed the timer had stopped. I left it for 30 minutes and came back and the timer was still in the exact same spot, and it had been washing the entire time. |
Post# 1174715 , Reply# 19   3/14/2023 at 12:49 (416 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1174803 , Reply# 20   3/15/2023 at 14:24 (415 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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Tried everything again last night and the dispenser didn't open this time... I have the front cover off and watched the bi-metal strip during the time it should've tripped and it never did. Going to take it apart again and see if something needs to be adjusted maybe |
Post# 1174812 , Reply# 21   3/15/2023 at 15:11 (415 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1174843 , Reply# 22   3/15/2023 at 17:47 (415 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1174849 , Reply# 23   3/15/2023 at 19:17 (415 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes, do you need a full charge of water to put enough load on the motor since the five metal is wired in series with the motor.
You can also adjust the bimetal loosen the two screws and adjust it, so it just barely catches the little finger on the dispenser release arm, that way as a bimetal starts to deflect it all released properly these dispensers were a little touchy to get right, but then they worked pretty well. And yes if it’s leaking, it may not work properly but I doubt yours is leaking. This was a pretty lightly used dishwasher . John |
Post# 1174856 , Reply# 24   3/15/2023 at 20:56 (415 days old) by Kenmoreman ( Southern NH)   |   | |
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Checkthe wires going to the heating element. Make sure they are both connected. The bi metal is powered thru the heater resistence. |
Post# 1174888 , Reply# 26   3/16/2023 at 08:12 (415 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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