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Thread Number: 92942
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Is my timer bad? 1994 Kenmore DD |
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| Post# 1175129 3/18/2023 at 20:05 (412 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
In the process of refurbishing my 1994 Kenmore direct drive. The timer seems to work fine, except after the full tub rinse, it will do 2 spray full rinses and then a 3 second spray rinse towards the very end. I'm not sure, but I believe this maybe due a bad timer. The timer is original. The water inlet valve is brand new.
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| Post# 1175133 , Reply# 1 3/18/2023 at 21:40 (412 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
 Hard to say unless someone here has this exact model and confirm proper operation. Whirlpool/Kenmore was constantly playing around with spray rinses in their belt and direct drive machines and never really settled on any particular sequence although most of them had a spray rinse before and after the final spin. In any case, I would not be complaining about better rinsing unless you use fabric softener. There may be a schematic/timer chart somewhere hidden in this machine, usually inside the console. I know where they were on Maytags but not WP/KM machines. | ||
| Post# 1175135 , Reply# 2 3/18/2023 at 22:03 (412 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Timer chart | ||
Post# 1175136 , Reply# 3 3/18/2023 at 22:23 (412 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Likely have a timer going bad No water is supposed to spray in in the last one or two minutes of the spin cycle. However it looks like this is happening in the first two minutes so you are probably OK at least for now.
If it’s doing this, the timer is failing I’ve seen them fail in this manner on several occasions If it’s early in the spin cycle, I wouldn’t worry about it, like Dan said it’ll just improve the rinsing, but I don’t think it’s supposed to do it anyway.
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| Post# 1175138 , Reply# 4 3/18/2023 at 22:29 (412 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1175152 , Reply# 5 3/19/2023 at 06:14 (412 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hi Matthew, yes, if it’s doing this near the end of the cycle as you originally said, you probably need to replace the timer.
In your video, it showed all this happening in the first two minutes, which wouldn’t hurt anything if it spins for a couple minutes after the last spray of water, so I sort of revised my post based on your video. John | ||
| Post# 1175155 , Reply# 6 3/19/2023 at 06:53 (412 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1175182 , Reply# 7 3/19/2023 at 12:18 (411 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1175775 , Reply# 8 3/23/2023 at 18:21 (407 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1175790 , Reply# 9 3/23/2023 at 20:09 (407 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 That's odd. Spray rinses operate via an intermittent cam (which I believe rotates continuously whenever the timer motor runs) and normally are consistent in duration. There's no tech sheet on the machine with a timer sequence chart to confirm the behavior? I've been unable to find it online by the document number referenced on the parts diagram/list. | ||
| Post# 1175798 , Reply# 10 3/23/2023 at 21:30 (407 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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timer sequence chart
Hopefully it can be determined from this. Here is a larger view.
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Post# 1175805 , Reply# 11 3/23/2023 at 22:14 (407 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Right there beneath the Warning box: Timer Switch #13-Spray. Two 15-second sprays, at 0-15 secs and 40-55 secs, of the 120-second increment whenever the circuit is active ... which is during the first increment of the final spin (but not on the 2nd Rinse spin) on Ultra Clean, Normal, and Permanent Press. Odd, but not particularly a problem as long as the extra spritz occurs only during the first spin increment, no sprays at any other time during the spin such as in the last increment that would leave the load excessively wet. | ||
| Post# 1175826 , Reply# 12 3/24/2023 at 04:31 (407 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1175883 , Reply# 13 3/24/2023 at 19:48 (406 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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Post# 1175964 , Reply# 14 3/25/2023 at 06:38 (406 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Needed Spray Rinse | ||
| Post# 1175996 , Reply# 15 3/25/2023 at 10:16 (405 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1176189 , Reply# 16 3/26/2023 at 21:05 (404 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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| Post# 1176827 , Reply# 17 4/1/2023 at 21:18 (398 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
Hey Matt. I just posted about this not too long ago here, I have the SAME issue. It sprays during the last minute of the HI spin cycle, so I shut the valves off now after the two main spray rinses to avoid having to respin the load. And a new timer for mine costs more than a used machine, no thanks.
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| Post# 1176829 , Reply# 18 4/1/2023 at 21:28 (398 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
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The weird thing is, I bought a new timer and it did the same thing. But even with the 3 second spray, it doesn't leave clothes excessively wet or anything. I just don't understand it because the original timer did, then one made 30 years later, go figure? I also tried 2 timers to confirm, so all 3 did this.
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