Thread Number: 92945
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
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Post# 1175191 , Reply# 1   3/19/2023 at 15:13 (411 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)   |   | |
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Post# 1175192 , Reply# 2   3/19/2023 at 15:27 (411 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Boss302 / Jim, The two sprays are spray rinses at beginning of the spin. The motor isn't running so there's no spin, which is the source of the problem. The replacement timer was new-stock, or did you get a used one (or perhaps rebuilt/repaired from a refurbisher service)? Does the problem occur on a slow spin-speed selection? Does it occur on the Ultra Clean cycle after the wash drain (during the rinse spin) or in the spin after 2nd Rinse if you turn on that option? Does it occur in the same way on the other two timer cycles, Normal and Permanent Press? Also just to say, your machine should do a neutral drain after wash (or rinse) agitation, before spin engages. Your video shows a spin-drain, which will occur if there's no preceeding period of agitation to reset the mechanical neutral drain mechanism inside the transmission (i.e. if you filled in some water for the video test then immediately set the timer to a drain position). Spin-drain shouldn't occur during normal operation unless there's a problem with the neutral drain components. That being said, neutral drain failure isn't a fatal condition and is not related to the motor not running. Your machine was manufactured in August of 1994. |
Post# 1175211 , Reply# 4   3/19/2023 at 18:15 (411 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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You could have gotten a bad timer. When the washer is in the final spin and no motor, jiggle the timer knob to see if the motor comes on. I have replaced them more than once. Defective out of the box, or someone returned a faulty timer to get a refund. |
Post# 1175214 , Reply# 5   3/19/2023 at 18:27 (411 days old) by Boss302 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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BlockEight88, I already replaced the timer and it didn't do anything for it. By the way I used to live in Crown Point. Waiting to see what DadoEs says. |
Post# 1175219 , Reply# 6   3/19/2023 at 19:11 (411 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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When the neutral drain component(s) fail, the tub will spin up (sometimes immeadilty, sometimes during the neutral draining process) when it should be neutral draining, then stop, then spin up again according to the factory specs.
Not sure why it's adding water towards the end of the spin cycle unless it's during the actual spin portion of the cycle as programmed by the factory. It's pretty rare that new timer will fail in the exact same manner but not impossible. Does the machine eventually continue spinning until the very end of the entire cycle or does it hang up?
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Post# 1175222 , Reply# 7   3/19/2023 at 19:35 (411 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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All the cycles should function such that after each of the wash and rinse agitation periods: momentary pause of the motor, restart for neutral drain of two minutes (the motor runs but no agitation or spin), another brief pause, motor restarts for spin. Fill Wash Agitation Neutral Drain Spin (may or may not be sprays depending on the timer programming) Fill Rinse Agitation Neutral Drain Spin (probably always two sprays) [2nd Rinse is a repeat of fill, agitate, neutral drain, spin] The Permanent Press cycle has a cool down after the wash: momentary pause, partial drain (until the water level pressure contacts reset) with another longer pause for the remainder of the 2-min drain increment until the timer advances, refill (always select a cold rinse for Perm Press or the cool down has no purpose) and agitate two minutes, then proceed with a full drain, spin, rinse/agitate, drain, spin as outlined above. Operation of the motor is electrical. The motor reverses direction for agitation vs. spin. The timer of course pauses the motor before a reversal so it first coasts to a full stop. The pump always runs with the motor -- spin direction it drains, agitate direction it pushes the water into the tub outlet instead of pushing it out the drain hose. Neutral drain is a mechanical function inside the transmission, via springs and weighted cams that hold or allow the spin gear to rotate. A brief period of agitation is required to set the mechanism so the spin gear is held stationary at the next motor reversal. Another pause releases the hold, then restart in the same direction spins the basket. Setting the timer directly to a drain or spin position after a full cycle has ended will result in immediate spin since no agitation has yet occurred to set the neutral drain mechanism. Seems your no-spin problem is electrical since the motor is not running (per the video). Could be the speed selector switch is bad? Neutral drain is always at high speed so the motor circuit likely is hard-wired through the timer, doesn't go through the speed switch during drain. Spin speed is selectable so the motor current goes through the switch during spin periods. Agitation is a different path through the switch to allow different combinations of agitation and spin speed. You didn't say if it spins when a low spin speed is selected. |
Post# 1175229 , Reply# 8   3/19/2023 at 20:39 (411 days old) by Boss302 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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It spins at the end of the wash cycle, is that different than the spin cycle? |
Post# 1175277 , Reply# 10   3/20/2023 at 02:34 (411 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1175361 , Reply# 11   3/20/2023 at 19:54 (410 days old) by Boss302 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Awesome. Thank you all for your input. |
Post# 1176913 , Reply# 13   4/2/2023 at 14:21 (397 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)   |   | |
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Post# 1176923 , Reply# 14   4/2/2023 at 16:01 (397 days old) by Boss302 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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It wasn't actually an extra spray rinse, it was a spray rinse that wasn't a spray rinse because it wasn't spinning, so it just dumped a small amount of water in the tub. |
Post# 1176945 , Reply# 15   4/2/2023 at 20:49 (397 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)   |   | |
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