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Thread Number: 92982
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Post# 1175694 3/23/2023 at 00:12 (400 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 This topic is largely aimed at GELaundry4Ever/Jerome but everyone surely can participate. I recently bought a digital water meter device which attaches to a faucet and records the volume of water that passes through. I ran a moderate-size load this evening in one of my HE toploaders, a Fisher & Paykel AquaSmart (the one I picked up from Kirk Rivas). Four pairs of cargo shorts, two boxer shorts, one shirt, one small bath towel (used as a rag-towel), and sixteen briefs/underwear. Normal cycle which operates only in eco wash mode but I selected a deep/softener rinse (no softener used!). What is your reasonable (no eco-outrage, please) guess as to: 1) Gallons of water for the Eco Active pretreatment phase (fabric saturation and recirculation period). 2) Total gallons of water in the eco wash after fill is completed (Eco Active + top-off fill). 3) Gallons total for the three spin-sprays. 4) Gallons for the deep rinse. 5) Add those figures for the total of the complete cycle. I'll post on Tue 3/28 the numbers I recorded. | ||
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Post# 1175721 , Reply# 1 3/23/2023 at 06:35 (400 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 1175732 , Reply# 3 3/23/2023 at 09:27 (400 days old) by drummerboy928 (Illinois) | ||
Water Usage
I have no idea as to the extent of the High Efficiency of these machines, but i’m going to guess in total, it’s probably around 18 gallons total.
In terms of actual cleaning ability, these F&P aquasmart are absolutely amazing machines. The “Eco Active” (if i recall correctly) is very similar to the “catalyst” phase on the catalyst machines. Despite being an impeller machine, they throw clothes around like you would not believe. I would definitely own one of these if I could find an affordable one in good condition. | ||
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Post# 1175737 , Reply# 5 3/23/2023 at 10:31 (400 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Fun game! My estimate:
1. Pretreat phase: 3 gallons 2. Total for wash: 10 gallons 3. Spray rinses total: 3 gallons 4. Deep rinse: 8 gallons 5. Total: 24 gallons. This is equivalent to 90 litres or approximately eighteen thousand thimblefuls of water LOL. It would seem that my total also just happens to be the same as John's total. If we're both right, do we split the prize money between us?!
Mark
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Post# 1175738 , Reply# 6 3/23/2023 at 10:41 (400 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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HE topload washer So why are there so many complaints on these washers? | ||
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Post# 1175739 , Reply# 7 3/23/2023 at 10:44 (400 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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People always complain about things when they are different. Reality doesn't matter once one has an opinion. @Mark 5ml for thimble actually sounds realistic. Impressed! | ||
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Post# 1175741 , Reply# 8 3/23/2023 at 11:23 (400 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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| Post# 1175747 , Reply# 9 3/23/2023 at 13:13 (400 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
if i look at my curent daily driver
if i look at my current Maytag washer (top load) my only complaint is one if i use another cycle other than quick wash (46 minute 57 minute if big load) it takes 2 hours to wash my second complaint is the clean cycle with afresh and the fact that on rinse (*clean washer cycle it sometime leaks) witch leads to my question why did they not keep the option of mechanical timers or classic machines that where pull to start the load push to stop and whats the advantage of a deep wash fill option when there already auto sense for the load?
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| Post# 1175804 , Reply# 10 3/23/2023 at 22:11 (399 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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Eco active - 1.5 gallons Wash phase 7 gallons Spray rinse total 1.5 gallons Deep fill rinse 8 gallons 18 total I’m probably far off, but I have a fisher paykel agitator version and it didn’t use much more water. | ||
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Post# 1175809 , Reply# 11 3/23/2023 at 22:43 (399 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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My 1984 Maytag LA511 uses 20 gallons on Small and 40 gallons per load on Extra Large. I only use Ex large loads, about 1 every week. Just like I only run the dishwasher with a full load maybe once a week. Use your Cascade every night I am not wasting extra detergent. Dishwashers used to be known as the hide a dirty dish and thats what I do.
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Post# 1175811 , Reply# 12 3/23/2023 at 23:23 (399 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1176006 , Reply# 13 3/25/2023 at 11:22 (398 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1176060 , Reply# 14 3/25/2023 at 20:40 (397 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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answer to dadoes Try doing a full basket of sorted laundry in an HE Cabrio or Bravos or any other machine. Trust me, they leave your clothes dirty with that stupid wash plate. I've seen videos of them in action. The only good washer is speed queen. | ||
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Post# 1176063 , Reply# 15 3/25/2023 at 21:10 (397 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1176142 , Reply# 17 3/26/2023 at 15:50 (397 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Jerome! You need to start proving what you preach! And stop bashing every brand and washing action yo don't like! It shows a lack of maturity and respect! | ||
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Post# 1176147 , Reply# 18 3/26/2023 at 16:44 (397 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I owned a Whirlpool Cabrio and I had no problem with how it cleaned at all. It filled with more than 5 gals of water and surprisingly moved the clothes around pretty well too. The problem I had with this machine, and it was a deal breaker for me was that it would unbalance on loads with jeans and towels, but there was no signal that it had become unbalanced. Instead the washer would refill with rinse water and attempt to balance the load, which it would never manage to do. It would go through this exercise of futility, over, and over and over again until I noticed something was wrong and manually rebalanced the load.
My washer is upstairs and before I noticed this problem happening every time I washed a load of towels and jeans it took over 2 hours for the load to finish and I only realized why after I did some investigation and monitored the machine when it went into the spin-drain after the wash portion of the cycle. So from then on I had to race up the stairs every time I washed a load of jeans and towels when the first spin-drain was supposed to begin. If I’d wanted to babysit a washing machine I’d have a wringer washer and get a weeks worth of laundry done in 60-75 mins of hands on work. That GD Cabrio was one of the worst washers I ever owned, but not because it didn’t clean well, but because is wasted water and my time. I was thrilled to see it leave our home forever. The washer that I did own that didn’t use an adequate amount of water was an LG FL, and that was the WORST washer I ever owned! The normal cycle would wash for 24 mins with only about 2” of water in the bottom of the tub. A full load of wash never became saturated with water during the wash portion of the cycle. And as if if that wasn’t bad enough, this machine REFUSED to go into a spin with heavy towels, it would literally run for 2+ hours and never spin, just endlessly hunt for that “sweet spot” to begin the spin, but it never found it. I wouldn’t have an LG washer if you gave it to me and paid me to use it! J-U-N-K!!!! Eddie This post was last edited 03/26/2023 at 17:36 | ||
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Post# 1176172 , Reply# 19 3/26/2023 at 19:02 (396 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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maytag reviews Here's an example. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
| Post# 1176173 , Reply# 20 3/26/2023 at 19:11 (396 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I’m currently rebuilding a Bravos XL (Oasis), coincidentally the exact MVWB880 model I owned that I sold to my aunt before the current Duet Alpha. I have one part coming Monday and it’ll be completely finished (fingers crossed), with a brand new bearing and seal pack, and even a new set of feet. I’ll be doing a couple of test runs in the garage before even considering it coming into the house, but I’ll be letting it drain into a 5-gal bucket and washing at least one 8-ish pound mixed load, so I’ll try to remember to tally the water usage then.
We used to have a Flume sensor on our meter that measured water use down to the 1/10th gallon, but sadly the county updated our meters to fully electronic models that the Flume is no longer compatible with. I did keep a few cycle charts for both the front loader and the WTW4855 agipeller washer I had for a short time, but I’d have to find where I put them. The top load of course used a little more water, but not by much, definitely not comparing to a traditional machine. I’m expecting the Oasis should fall somewhere in between. | ||
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Post# 1176174 , Reply# 21 3/26/2023 at 19:12 (396 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Post# 1176311 , Reply# 22 3/28/2023 at 09:35 (395 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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28.8 gallons for the full cycle. Jerome eventually referenced a 5-gallon bucket. So that's a little more than five-and-a-half buckets. 1) Gallons of water for the Eco Active pretreatment phase (fabric saturation and recirculation period). 5.8 2) Total gallons of water in the eco wash after fill is completed (Eco Active + top-off fill). 5.8 eco + 3.7 to basket float = 9.5 3) Gallons total for the three spin-sprays. 1.6 + 1.6 + 1.5 = 4.7 4) Gallons for the deep rinse. 8.8 to basket float + 5.8 top-off = 14.6 (photo 1) 5) Add those figures for the total of the complete cycle. 9.5 wash + 4.7 sprays + 14.6 agitated rinse = 28.8 (photo 2) I didn't get meter photos for the eco wash and sprays. | ||
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Post# 1176333 , Reply# 24 3/28/2023 at 15:16 (395 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Post# 1176350 , Reply# 25 3/28/2023 at 18:03 (395 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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| Post# 1176409 , Reply# 26 3/29/2023 at 09:00 (394 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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What's the point? To show that some "HE" washers really don't save resources? That at least one "HE" washer washes well, but needs a lot of water to do so? Or just to tweak Jerome because he makes generalizations you don't agree with? | ||
| Post# 1176416 , Reply# 27 3/29/2023 at 11:15 (394 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Jerome your Consumer Affairs link is out of date. Those are reviews from 2017 the most recent. It’s 3 months into 2023.
There have been improvements, and even back then those TLs weren’t that bad. Try checking some emotion at the door and let some data in. Anecdotally, I know of 4 people who have agipeller TLs of various ages. 3 Maytags and 1 LG. All 4 of them are liked by their owners totally fine. They’re not inclined to get online and complain. None of them are walking around with dirty clothes! If they were, I WOULD hear about it. In fact, if anything, these top loaders are becoming MORE popular. I’ve noticed that at my two local Home Depot’s, the front load options are dwindling. And the top load section has doubled in size. I even asked one of the sales ladies this past weekend. She says the top loaders have surged in popularity the past few years. LG and Maytag are the two most common. The new GEs are gaining ground too, with their good price/features package on their new Profile models. You may hate them! But the buying public for wherever reason, is swarming to impeller top loaders. They clean fine. I don’t see anyone around me with stains all over their clothes or reeking of BO. www.getoveryourself.com.... | ||
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Post# 1176418 , Reply# 28 3/29/2023 at 11:37 (394 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Manufactures Need to Start Building Medium Size FL’s Again
My space that is dedicated for the laundry is in a closet with bi-fold doors. In order to be able to close the doors the washer and dryer can’t require more than about 28”to29” in depth. This puts most of the full size FL’s out of the question for many buyers. I don’t want to remove these bi-fold doors and hang a freakin’ curtain over the opening to conceal the WD when they aren’t in use.
I believe the reason most of the new full size FL’s are so deep is because they are all mostly 4.5 cu ft in capacity or more. Why? They are really too large for most users that like to sort their loads. Why can’t manufactures offer 3 to 3.5 cu ft capacity FL’s like in the past? I think if they did lots of us that have dedicated laundry closets with limited depth would purchase FL’s again. The smaller 2 to 2.4 cu ft FL’s are just a bit too small for the average user. And the 3.5 cu ft Speed Queen FL is just to expensive for most buyers. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1176420 , Reply# 29 3/29/2023 at 11:47 (394 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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sorting laundry Personally, I like to sort my laundry. Why do most average users overstuff their machines without sorting? | ||
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Post# 1176425 , Reply# 30 3/29/2023 at 12:05 (394 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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It would be nice to have a medium size 27 inch wide FLW
However, the 24 inch wide machines have capacities of almost 3 ft.³ today, which is much bigger than the 2 ft.³ three belt Westinghouse that you had back in the 80s that you like so much Eddie.
The 24 inch machines are typically large enough to wash a queen size comforter they easily handle the load of the typical American Toploader. John | ||
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Post# 1176428 , Reply# 31 3/29/2023 at 12:16 (394 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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John,
Many people these days have King size beds and we don’t want to go to the laundromat to wash our bedding. There is a market for the med size FL. I’ve considered one of the 2.4 cu ft FL’s, but not if I have to go to the laundromat to wash my king size bedspreads and blankets. All of the info I’ve read about these 2.4 cu ft FL’s states that queen size bedding is the largest that they can handle.
When I owned Frigidaire FL’s in the late 90’s and early 2000’s they could handle anything I put into them. They were quick, washed and rinsed well and conservative in the use of water. If the objective is to get folks using washers that conserve on water use then give people what they want and need. And BTW, the ‘87 Westinghouse FL that I used for 7 trouble free years washed all of our kingsized bedding with no problems whatsoever. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1176431 , Reply# 32 3/29/2023 at 12:23 (394 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Sorting clothes Jerome! That's conjecture on your part as to overstuffing! You are seeing washers on campus that yes, college kids DO overstuff but the rest is another one of the things you need too prove! So get to proving! | ||
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Post# 1176434 , Reply# 33 3/29/2023 at 12:51 (394 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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laundromat Well, I go to the laundromat to wash and dry my clothes and they're more high-efficiency unlike the so-called HE machines that use more electricity and more water. I can get 3 loads done within an hour. | ||
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Post# 1176438 , Reply# 35 3/29/2023 at 13:38 (394 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1176441 , Reply# 36 3/29/2023 at 14:09 (394 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Jerome! How do they use MORE electricity? PLease explain! We WANT to know! | ||
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Post# 1176444 , Reply# 37 3/29/2023 at 14:14 (394 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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King size bedding can vary in thickness , etc. | ||
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Post# 1176468 , Reply# 38 3/29/2023 at 16:33 (394 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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John I’m pretty sure that our kingsize sheets, even the flannel ones, and our kingsize blanket would fit in one of the 2.4 cu ft FL’s. Its our heavy, woven cotton bedspread that I think would be too heavy for one of these smaller FL’s. Even dry its very heavy, filled with water I think it would be too much for one of these machines. But the 3.1 cu ft Frigidaire FL’s from the late 90’s and early 2000’s had no problem with this heavy weight spread, ditto for my old Westy, which I believe was either 2.4 or 2.8 cu ft capacity.
Next time I’m in an appliance store I’ll have to take a look at one of these machines. Even though I’m pleased with my current machine and the drought is over for now, water scarcity is going to continue to be a problem here in the future, so any replacement washer will need to take that into consideration. That being said I still think there’s a market for mid sized FL’s. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1176489 , Reply# 39 3/29/2023 at 19:48 (393 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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more complaints Here are some more complaints that validate what I'm saying. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
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Post# 1176490 , Reply# 40 3/29/2023 at 19:55 (393 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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complaints about HE machines Never mind. It was the wrong link. Here are more complaints to validate my point. You need water and an agitator, along with a heavy duty motor to get the job done. This is why people come to speed queen in the first place. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK | ||
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Post# 1176492 , Reply# 41 3/29/2023 at 20:08 (393 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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These complaints are BRAND specific! You can't sit there and tell us that this is true for every washer brand out there! You are loosing it Mate! | ||
| Post# 1176514 , Reply# 42 3/30/2023 at 00:36 (393 days old) by Egress (Oregon) | ||
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IDK, we've been satisfied with our LG frontloader. does much better than our old maytag "norgetag" did with bulkier items. cleans just as well if not better. | ||
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Post# 1176582 , Reply# 43 3/30/2023 at 17:06 (393 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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the only HE washer The only HE washer that makes sense is a front loader. | ||
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Post# 1176650 , Reply# 44 3/31/2023 at 11:50 (392 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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These Fisher and Paykel top loaders have always been the exception to my stance that HE top load machines just aren't all that good. I really think they do a great job at accurately sensing the load and providing enough water but not too much. The old Bravos/Cabrio floating basket platform boasted good washers as well, my dad had one and I enjoyed using that machine.
If I could have one of these new, it's likely what I would replace my DD with when the time comes. I see they used to sell them at Lowes, don't think they do anymore. | ||
| Post# 1176701 , Reply# 45 3/31/2023 at 21:13 (391 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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gelaundry4ever
no matter the kind or brand of washer that his own today vmw topload that use a deep fill water wash to stay n the subject my current washer depending on load size on auto sense water level can use up to 19 gallons of water sure on my current daily driver i have my complaints because of long cycles but if using quick wash its not that bad, its just a question of adjusting like for exemple my curent daily driver usaly takes for a normal size load 46 minutes counting spray rinse since extra rinse is on very heavy soiled level for optimal stain treatment and extra power button on 57 minute if on the load sensing part it detects that the load is bigger requireing more water washers are constently evolving eather its a vmw topload washer or any topload of any brand or frontloader the purchuse of a washer depends in one need like for myself and my mom that are 2 or current washer fits or needs.
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| Post# 1176990 , Reply# 46 4/3/2023 at 10:05 (389 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1179911 , Reply# 47 5/5/2023 at 15:26 (357 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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New measurement on which to offer guesses. Neptune TL. Load: 7 cargo shorts, 20 briefs, 3 shirts, 4 small towels, 1 pr socks. Cycle: Colors/Jeans with extra rinse (wash, rinse, rinse, rinse). The after-wash spin failed to balance on a couple/three tries (the machine is less persistent on retries for interim spins than on the final) so it was skipped and the 1st rinse is less gallons than normal for the fill due to no extraction. There are sprays in each spin, but the first was skipped due to the balance problem. Last rinse is a slightly deeper level. I will post the numbers on Thu 5/11. | ||
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Post# 1179913 , Reply# 48 5/5/2023 at 16:22 (357 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 1179928 , Reply# 49 5/5/2023 at 20:54 (356 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I personally don't think I'll ever be a fan of any HE TL washer... That being said, all the complaints you read online about them.. I've read those same complaints about my FL washer.. Smells, mold, dry spots, not enough water, doesn't clean, doesn't rinse...none of which I experienced except tangling...that I do experience but I've gotten used to it...
When you watch YT videos of them in action...maybe they are doing good cleaning and rinsing and we're just not seeing it... Truthfully, I can't remember the last time I even watched an HE TL washer video because I don't want one or need one.. I just can't imagine all of the testing, R&D they do they would put out a washer that doesn't clean clothes or rinse when using it the way they recommend. I'm sure there's a learning curve to using one... I could be wrong... but I don't think I'd be happy with one... I think I'd take the worst rated FL washer of an HE TL washer. | ||
| Post# 1179945 , Reply# 50 5/6/2023 at 04:40 (356 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1179947 , Reply# 51 5/6/2023 at 08:29 (356 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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my HE topload experience... ...is with a 2010 VMW Cabrio: I can say reply #18 is right on-about these washers getting stuck in a rebalance routine,draining and refilling before defaulting to a low speed final spin.Get the load size right and the VMW Cabrio will do a good wash job :) | ||
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Post# 1179948 , Reply# 52 5/6/2023 at 09:36 (356 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1179953 , Reply# 53 5/6/2023 at 11:44 (356 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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The Whirlpool TL VMW I had wasn't an HE model per se but it still got stuck in the rebalancing loop occasionally when washing bedding. I then realized I was doing it wrong for that machine, i.e., washing sheets and blankets together. For some reason that washer didn't like it so I had to split those loads up. They are okay machines but they really are extremely persnickety about what one washes together.
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| Post# 1180087 , Reply# 54 5/8/2023 at 07:36 (354 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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| Post# 1180280 , Reply# 55 5/10/2023 at 17:00 (352 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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That sounds pretty spot on for that era of high efficiency top loader. I've tracked the water use for several loads with the Bravos-Oasis, and it seems to be around the 30-35 gallon range for full loads every time. A nearly full load of darks ended up being 14-15 gallons for the wash and rinse fills, plus a few for the spray rinse, ending at 33. A full towels load last night ended at 38 gallons altogether. I do wish I had a good KitchenAid DirectDrive and a way to have my WP Duet Alpha hooked up at the same time to get direct water use comparisons of each, because I'd imagine that the Oasis design would consistently hit that "33% less water and energy" mark that they always advertised, but the front loader would easily be less than half.
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| Post# 1180283 , Reply# 56 5/10/2023 at 18:06 (352 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1180430 , Reply# 57 5/12/2023 at 14:39 (350 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Oops. I forgot to post the numbers yesterday. Wash - 6.8 gal, an odd addition of 0.9 gal more toward the last couple mins (7.7) [1st spin fail, no spray] Rinse 1 - 4.6 gal 2nd spin spray - 1.0 gal Rinse 2 - 7.0 gal 3rd spin spray - 0.8 gal (then the spin also aborted) Rinse 3 - 9.3 gal Final spin spray - 0.8 gal Total - 31.2 gal | ||
| Post# 1180432 , Reply# 58 5/12/2023 at 14:53 (350 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1180490 , Reply# 59 5/13/2023 at 01:21 (349 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1180506 , Reply# 60 5/13/2023 at 10:32 (349 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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I'm guessing this machine was made back when the water-saving measures were starting to take off but weren't to a crazy point yet. Machines like this and the Bravos-style washers made it seem like high-efficiency top loaders could provide a good working alternative for people who didn't quite want to continue using the water-guzzling machines of old but weren't quite ready to commit to a front loader either.
These days, water restrictions have become so stringent that there's no real way to make a top loader effective and have it still be HE. You either use the settings as they are and it truly isn't enough water and it wrecks clothes especially with the impeller versions, or you use deep-water settings which not only defeats the purpose of the HE machine but also comrpomises cleaning as that's not how they're designed to work. This machine appears to be a bit quirky, i.e., aborting spin twice, but if it's like Neptune TL's I've seen on Youtube, it gets the job done. Unfortunately though, it wouldn't pass muster today because it uses too much water. Aside from possibly the Speed Queen TC5, I don't believe I would buy another modern top loader. If I am faced with the prospect of replacing my old direct drive TL, I'll be looking at a front loader. It's just the only practical choice left in the mainstream modern market. | ||
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Post# 1180508 , Reply# 61 5/13/2023 at 10:47 (349 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Logixx Wow! I doubt my Duet used much more than 20 gallons on any given cycle, except Bulky with extra rinses. I would imagine that 16-18 gallons would be a good guess for a full load. In the LG/Kenmore FL we have, a Normal cycle probably is pushing 24 with the water level raised slightly. | ||
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Post# 1180518 , Reply# 62 5/13/2023 at 14:14 (349 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Well, the 33 gallons are for a full load. A full European-style load. That's filling the tub to the top and then stuffing in more.
The Baby Clothes would be the cycle in question. It's essentially a normal Cotton cycle with an extra rinse by default (3 in total).
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Post# 1180650 , Reply# 63 5/14/2023 at 20:58 (347 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Neptune TL whites load. Whites cycle, Extra Rinse (3 rinses total). 6 bath towels 4 hand/smaller towels 6 sackcloth dish towels 15 wash/dish cloths 2 t-shirts 60 ankle socks The third interim spin and spray (before the final rinse) failed (aborts after 4 tries -- try / distribute / try / distribute / try / distribute / spin or fail) which is unfortunate because it's faster and longer than the other interims. Failure leaves the load saturated for the final rinse fill which is deeper, so the gallons report is reduced from normal conditions. A failed interim spin triggers an extended drip/drain in place of the spin. Pics = loaded, wash drain, final rinse drain, finished-and-fluffed. Numbers posted on Thu 5/18 (if I don't forget). | ||
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Post# 1180917 , Reply# 65 5/18/2023 at 19:05 (343 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Wash = 8.9 gal initial + 0.9 top-off after tumble began = 9.8 gal Spray = 0.9 gal Rinse 1 = 4.8 initial + 1.6 top-off = 6.4 gal Spray = 0.8 gal Rinse 2 = 5.1 initial + 3.5 top-off = 8.6 gal Spray = no spray, spin aborted Rinse 3 (no extraction, load drip-drain saturated) = 7.3 initial to high level + 1.3 top-off = 8.6 gal Spray = 0.9 Total = 36 gals | ||
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Post# 1180931 , Reply# 66 5/19/2023 at 00:16 (343 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1180935 , Reply# 67 5/19/2023 at 06:45 (343 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Maytag Neptune top load washers
Were designed to save water and do an excellent job cleaning clothing.
Unfortunately, like all automatic washers with slanted tubs or washing paddles, they tangled badly Maytag originally patented a top load washer with horizontal paddles on both sides of the tub when they first were coming out with an automatic washer in the late 40s and never used this design till the Neptune Toploader was introduced. 36 gallons of water is a lot of water for a high-efficiency top load machine, however, it’s still less than half the water that a traditional top loading agitator machine would use. That coupled with much less hot water usage and detergent usage 1/3 the electrical usage and much better water extraction still made it a pretty efficient machine But it’s still uses twice the water of a good front load washer for the same size load and is much harder on the clothing. | ||
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Post# 1180945 , Reply# 69 5/19/2023 at 12:25 (343 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1180947 , Reply# 70 5/19/2023 at 13:06 (343 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1180948 , Reply# 71 5/19/2023 at 13:07 (343 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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I don't need three rinses in the TC5, and I find the volume adequate. I consider it a shortcoming if these "HE" machines need three rinses. Can John back up any of his claims? | ||
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Post# 1180952 , Reply# 72 5/19/2023 at 13:25 (343 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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My good old Maytag A606 uses 40 gallons on large, and no extra rinse is necessary. I suppose the Neptune would save hot water, but not much water overall. | ||
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Post# 1180953 , Reply# 73 5/19/2023 at 13:33 (343 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Two rinses is standard on all Neptune TL cycles. I ran two empty cycles yesterday to check what's the fill volume with no clothes. Wash level and low rinse is 4.3 to 4.5 gals. Final rinse is 9.4 to 9.6 gals, which also applies to all fills for the Bulky cycle. The TC5 numbers are presumably for no clothes. | ||
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Post# 1180955 , Reply# 74 5/19/2023 at 13:50 (343 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Maytag Neptune top load washer
The load size Glenn used would not fit into any Maytag dependable care washer ever made.
It would take closer to two loads and 80 gallons to wash and rinse it as well as the Neptune Toploader for that matter unless you went to extra rinses with a lot more water. Try it yourself I own a Maytag Neptune Toploader and I’ve used every washing machine you guys are talking about John | ||
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Post# 1180958 , Reply# 75 5/19/2023 at 14:11 (343 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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The load size Glenn used would not fit into any Maytag dependable care washer ever made.
I'm sure it wouldn't. I owned a Maytag DC washer for a short while and this would make up two loads in that machine easily. However, I've washed similar sized loads to this in my direct drive Whirlpool many times and have never had an issue. This past week's towels load consisted of: 10 standard-size bath towels, 6 hand towels, 17 washcloths. Some would say that was overloaded majorly, but it wasn't. It came to the very top of the tub but I did not have to pack it in or push anything down to make it all fit, and it gave me a perfectly smooth, balanced wash with good turnover. Dried in about and hour and 10 minutes on medium heat. Ryne | ||
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Post# 1180960 , Reply# 76 5/19/2023 at 14:25 (343 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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But would the load work in an HoH dryer? :-) It fit fine in my SmartLoad. Completely dry at Normal dryness level. I didn't directly pay attenion or time it but I'm sure it was less than an hour. I recall thinking "hmm, the dryer is already finished." Neptune TL FAV6800 maximum spin is 850 RPM vs. AquaSmart being 1,000 (1,010). | ||
| Post# 1180966 , Reply# 77 5/19/2023 at 16:29 (343 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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Two rinses is standard on all Neptune TL cycles. And apparently a spray rinse is "standard" on the "normal" TC5 cycle. So a lot depends on how the user decides to use the machines and how others decide to skew the numbers. | ||
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Post# 1180971 , Reply# 78 5/19/2023 at 17:00 (343 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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speed queen perfect wash How many gallons does it fill with on the highest settings on the perfect wash? This also applies for the heavy duty cycle. | ||
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Post# 1181017 , Reply# 80 5/20/2023 at 11:54 (342 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1181021 , Reply# 81 5/20/2023 at 12:29 (342 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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Yet supposedly SQ's reason for the redesign was to meet increasing regulations, which makes me think they're somehow supposed to be more efficient. They're said to have brought the "classic" design back when they found a "loophole". I didn't say the TRs claimed to be HE. | ||
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Post# 1181022 , Reply# 82 5/20/2023 at 12:54 (342 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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stringent rules So now that the rules are becoming more stringent in terms of water and electricity, what will Speed Queen do to their top load washers? | ||
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Post# 1181037 , Reply# 83 5/20/2023 at 19:06 (341 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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IMO ... The "loophole" for SQ TC is temperature restriction and reduced water usage via spray rinse instead of agitated rinse, on only the Normal/Eco cycle. The wash fill is still minimum 13 gallons (per 2019 info) for even one sock. The rinse restriction can be bypassed easily by selecting Extra Rinse. The added concession to regulations on the TRs, beyond the same temp and spray rinse on Normal/Eco as TC, is automatic water level sensing but it's not overly frugal per videos. Consider that the Neptune TL dates back 20-ish years, early in the HE toploader curve. Calypso predates Neptune TL and is a better design. Very frugal for washing, generous for rinsing. I drained a similar whites load into my KitchenAid toploader years ago. It filled the KA to the rim of the basket, right up to the tub ring. | ||
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Post# 1181057 , Reply# 84 5/20/2023 at 22:16 (341 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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speed queen perfect wash cycles Personally, I'd stay away from the normal eco cycle and stick with heavy duty. | ||
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Post# 1181076 , Reply# 85 5/21/2023 at 03:12 (341 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1181137 , Reply# 86 5/22/2023 at 17:28 (340 days old) by Egress (Oregon) | ||
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if only the kinks in the calypso design would have been worked out, it is quite a cool concept and definitely very water frugal. not quite as good as any modern front loader i'd guess but likely better than many HE toploaders even today. | ||
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Post# 1192330 , Reply# 87 10/21/2023 at 12:35 (188 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1192333 , Reply# 88 10/21/2023 at 13:57 (188 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
not really sure what the consumption is
Hope somebody knows here is eye candy not really sure why it is small CLICK HERE TO GO TO bpetersxx's LINK | ||
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Post# 1192664 , Reply# 89 10/28/2023 at 11:46 (181 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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For comparison ... F&P IWL12 Intuitive Eco. Queen-size sheets set plus eight shirts. Traditional wash (no Eco treatment). Creasables option which adds a cool-down (full drain, refill, agitate), and water level auto-sensing is oriented toward a higher fill by increasing the fill one level higher than auto-sensing selects, although in this case it selected High so can't go more than that. Total 69.7 gals. | ||
| Post# 1192669 , Reply# 90 10/28/2023 at 13:53 (181 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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