Thread Number: 92999
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UK Meet Up March 2023 at Als Emporium |
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Post# 1175929   3/25/2023 at 04:10 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Great to meet up once again with the gang and start the year as we mean to go on - HOPEFULLY !!
As ever it all looks spick and span but wont be like that for long. Als busy in his kitchen baking cake with Mathews first model Kenwood Chef from 1947. |
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Post# 1175930 , Reply# 1   3/25/2023 at 04:13 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1175932 , Reply# 2   3/25/2023 at 04:23 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Outer Washroom with Twintubs at the ready !!
The Maytag Asko has the white table clothes in , and the Zanussi is getting loaded . |
Post# 1175933 , Reply# 3   3/25/2023 at 04:27 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Now whats happening here ?
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Post# 1175934 , Reply# 4   3/25/2023 at 04:34 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Our fellow vac friend Sam Watson (Beko1987 ) visited an original Hoover Service Centre that sadly was closing down , he visited a few times to sort through the stock , we saw a load of washer parts ,
timers , boards etc so I asked him for first refusal , sorted a fee a here are the goodies - WOW !! Here is Sam unboxing the treasures. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 1175936 , Reply# 5   3/25/2023 at 04:41 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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There were timers for rare models that we never thought we would see again , Hoover Matchbox Timers NIB New In Box, Hoover Keymatic Timers arre as Hens teeth along with teasmades , irons and kettle elements, switchs and circuit boards,
it was like a Christmas Morning with the gang !! Thank You Sam !! |
Post# 1175937 , Reply# 6   3/25/2023 at 04:42 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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But the one part we all honed in on was this - Any Guesses ?
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Post# 1175938 , Reply# 7   3/25/2023 at 04:48 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Well it turns out to be nothing other than an original Hoover Keymatic Slope Front Door Boot , now you know I said Hens Teeth earlier , Well This Is The Holy Grail of parts ..
Its destined for the one person that spends all his time fixing all the other Keymatics and now needs one himself so it will be off to Dr Mathew with great pleasure !! Once again Many Thanks to Sam Watson and gang for taking the time to visit Bartons and rescue the parts from the skip. |
Post# 1175939 , Reply# 8   3/25/2023 at 04:50 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Now back to what we do best ....Steves getting busy AGAIN with the lovely Hotpoint X2000 Microtronic, needs a brush & motor tweek .
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Post# 1175940 , Reply# 9   3/25/2023 at 04:51 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Ian has found some items in the "Bring It , Sort Through It , & Take It Home Pile ?
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Post# 1175941 , Reply# 10   3/25/2023 at 04:53 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Liam & Rob are discussing the ins & outs of Bendix programming .
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Post# 1175942 , Reply# 11   3/25/2023 at 05:03 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Richard is busy testing out Dr Mathews latest invention creation - The Worlds First - Cordless Hoover Dustette, who would have thought , Mathew bought a cheap vac motor , found a lithium batters and cobbled it all together !!
Worked a treat. Here he is "Dustette Man Richard" dusting the weshers ps the bang you here at the end is Richard walking out of shot but someone in the meantime had shut the door - Oops ha ha .. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 1175943 , Reply# 12   3/25/2023 at 05:06 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And Whats New In The Garage ? Mathew finds the latest of Als Aquisitions, a Frigidaire Twintub, very rare and turns out one we had never encountered before , fellow collector Keith was selling it so Al was down the road , into the car and here now in its new home !!
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Post# 1175944 , Reply# 13   3/25/2023 at 05:11 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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With everything that old and original one is very wise to check all wiring hoses and connections before a maiden wash.
So on its side , toolbox out and check everything, |
Post# 1175945 , Reply# 14   3/25/2023 at 05:13 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Needs a new spinner outlet hose, and inner hose from the washtub pump to the recirculating jet, in many ways it looks like a typical Rolls Twintub but nothing of the sort .
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Post# 1175946 , Reply# 15   3/25/2023 at 05:20 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The recirculating jet and the pulsator which you can see is different from the rolls system. The original outlet pipe is toast & crumbling and the new spares ready to go.
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Post# 1175947 , Reply# 16   3/25/2023 at 05:26 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Now this is the washtub, usually driven by an induction motor, the first few models of the Frigidaire used a BRUSH MOTOR as found usually in the spin dryer ? very odd, WHICH Consumer Magazine did a report saying how unreliable it was and soon after it was changed to an induction type.
Top RHS is the 3 kw heater LHS is the Brush Motor Middle is the drive wheel and flywheel for the spinning pulsator and re-circulating pump. To empty the washtub you simply plug a hose on the end of the re-circulating jet and pump into the sink.
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Post# 1175948 , Reply# 17   3/25/2023 at 05:35 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Frigidaire UK Twintub by General Motors .
Here is the spin dryer unit, typical arrangement , brush motor driving a pulley for the spinner and pump, very powerful, its actually the single unit of the famous Frigidaire Spin Dryer , spinning at 2,800 rpm , so we can now see this is nothing like a Rolls Clone and is indeed a stand alone Frigidaire UK Twintub. Bottom is the Frigidaire Brushed Spin Motor Middle the Pulley for the spin can Top is the Pump Pulley |
Post# 1175949 , Reply# 18   3/25/2023 at 05:41 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Meanwhile its been a long day and time for drinks , celebrations & dinner.
Celebrating Richards Birthday something with a 5 in it ? This post was last edited 03/25/2023 at 10:41 |
Post# 1175950 , Reply# 19   3/25/2023 at 05:43 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1175951 , Reply# 20   3/25/2023 at 05:45 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Time for dinner !!
Als ready with the toast !!
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Post# 1175952 , Reply# 21   3/25/2023 at 05:46 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Richard And Jamie ready with the fizz !!
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Post# 1175953 , Reply# 22   3/25/2023 at 05:48 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And round the table for dinner !!
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Post# 1175954 , Reply# 23   3/25/2023 at 05:56 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Next day it was time for a Hotpoint 1504 Top Loader Tweek after it was over filling , nothing Hotpoint Steve and a new pressure hose cant sort ..
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Post# 1175955 , Reply# 24   3/25/2023 at 05:59 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Here is the workings in the top control fascia panel, mains hot & cold in,
Top RHS water Mixing Chamber Middle Pressure Pot for water levels |
Post# 1175956 , Reply# 25   3/25/2023 at 06:02 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Water test and all fine, outer tub is polypropylene, inner tub is perforated and made on Vitreous Enamel, spins at 1050 rpm
Stephen overseeing Steve with the Hotpoint 1504 !! This post was last edited 03/25/2023 at 06:23 |
Post# 1175957 , Reply# 26   3/25/2023 at 06:03 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Even manged to retro fit a bulb to retrofit an illuminated timeline.
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Post# 1175958 , Reply# 27   3/25/2023 at 06:18 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Meanwhile Darrens vintage family tablecloths where getting a bit frayed so Jamie brought his super duper Pfaff Electronic Computerised Embroidery Sewing machine.
Jamie scanned in a picture of the pattern required , set the machine up , pressed Start and it went on its merry way , mesmerising and fascinating . Now for some Hoover Bags !! This post was last edited 03/25/2023 at 10:21 |
Post# 1175959 , Reply# 28   3/25/2023 at 06:22 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Time for Lunch, "We know the drill" , "Dont Cross The Red Line" - Or Else Lol
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Post# 1175960 , Reply# 29   3/25/2023 at 06:25 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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After dinner time for a little reading ready for the next project !!
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Post# 1175961 , Reply# 30   3/25/2023 at 06:28 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And too have a look at Als latest treasures outside in the twintub room .
First up the Hoovermatic Twintub, its the rare model without heater and linked timer and no Auto Rinse, it sold for not a lot less than the De-Luxe 3314 of which sold extremely well. Not surprising given the price difference. |
Post# 1175963 , Reply# 31   3/25/2023 at 06:36 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And this NIB New In Box Servis MK108 Supertwin twintub , never been used, first produced in 1978 so it celebrates its 45th Anniversary this year along with the 50th Anniversary of the Servis Supertwin MK2 & Autowash Models.
This model has the stainless steel washdeck (no flaking paint) and brown plastisol lids for durabilty , it also has the 3 top controls and indicator lights , you can actually boil, wash, rinse & spin continuously with this model. |
Post# 1175965 , Reply# 32   3/25/2023 at 06:39 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1175967 , Reply# 33   3/25/2023 at 06:43 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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It was a bit parky out there for a full demo, and it worked beautifully until the 2nd spin when the re-set button on the spinner kept popping , turns out we need a new re-set switch (which someone happens to have ) but thats for next time !!
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Post# 1175968 , Reply# 34   3/25/2023 at 06:46 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1175971 , Reply# 35   3/25/2023 at 06:52 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Big Thanks To Alistair for holding the March Meet and fabulous hospitality, food & drinks - Until Next Time, Bye For Now !!
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Post# 1175978 , Reply# 36   3/25/2023 at 08:23 (406 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Looks like a great time for all. Thanks so much for documenting all this Mike and thank you Al for making this all happen.
Can’t wait to get back over sometime and see this in person Does anybody have an English electric machine like in reply? 29 looks like an interesting machine. Hope everybody stays well. These things inspire me to get back to work on our museum here it’s sort of got left behind during the Covid thing. Thanks everyone, John |
Post# 1175981 , Reply# 37   3/25/2023 at 08:57 (406 days old) by Beehiveboy (Northamptonshire, England )   |   | |
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Post# 1175982 , Reply# 38   3/25/2023 at 09:09 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Morning John, thanks for reply, always good to get back in touch with everyone and start a few more repairs. Hopefully can get over to see you and the museum now that family ties have changed !!
The machine in question is this one and actually one has surfaced recently with a fellow member , it was basically a spacemate but with the first type of crude electronics .
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Post# 1175984 , Reply# 39   3/25/2023 at 09:11 (406 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1175994 , Reply# 40   3/25/2023 at 10:00 (405 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Heres the full video of the Hooverette Made Cordless.
Dr Mathew of the Appliance Surgery bought a new 12 volt vac motor and after removing the old mains 24v motor and a few different screws fitted it into the original casing , the wires for testing protrude out of the back to a small lithium re-chargeable drill battery and recharge pack. The testing proved great , lovely little vac, now to make a cover and housing for the lithium battery and fix it to the rear of the Hooverette. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 1176088 , Reply# 41   3/26/2023 at 01:32 (405 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Always fun to watch what you lot get up to.
Fantastic haul from appliance dealer closing shop. It's amazing what is still out there lurking in backrooms and on shelves. Love the Pfaff sewing/emboridery machine. What model is it? Have an older Pfaff 1209, Bernina Record 930 and Elna Supermatic which handle most of one's sewing and embroidery needs. Have been toying with getting modern fully computer embroidery machine, but don't know much use it would be. |
Post# 1176092 , Reply# 42   3/26/2023 at 04:54 (405 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Morning Launderess
Yes we are still searching through the boxes of parts but yes its great we can find these treasures before they end up in the skip. Jamies Pfaff Sewing machine is the new AI Pfaff Creative Icon2 mesmerising to watch it work, hes busy getting to work on some vac bags for us !! We had these on the go as well, Soapflakes worked a treat in hot water, the Fairy bars are used with my Nans original glass wash board and the tin for the Colston Dishwasher Detergent is in good nic Cheers, Mike CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 1176123 , Reply# 43   3/26/2023 at 13:32 (404 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1178004 , Reply# 44   4/13/2023 at 09:57 (386 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Here is a video of the Frigidaire De-Luxe twintub washing machine from 1968 we showed earlier in the thread. After a once over , hoses replaced and motors check it worked fine on its maiden wash until the spinner
overload cut-out kept cutting in but it didnt trip the circuit braker, so next visit will see us looking at the electrics and switches etc. |
Post# 1178012 , Reply# 45   4/13/2023 at 13:27 (386 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Evening Mike..,
Glad you guys got it going..👍 In the recent stash of literature there was quite a bit on the Frigidaire WTD from circa 1968. A poster (back item) pamphlet, instruction manual and a few other bits. Nice marketing material of the time. Cheers Keith
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Post# 1178028 , Reply# 46   4/13/2023 at 16:51 (386 days old) by anthony (uk)   |   | |
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that sewing machine is amazing .but the frigidaire TT is a rare find .It must be 40 years since i've seen one of those .They were so troublesome and the little spin motor which was fine for driving the spin dryer for a few mins was not up to running the washer .They were always burning out so much so that Frigidaire came up with a slightly beefier motor to try and solve the problem also rinsing in the spin dryer was not a good idea as the motor would cut out if too much water was in the outer spin can . the later revamped model was much more robust with its bigger motor .Another problem was the spinner switch arm .Water would seep under the arm and eventually get to the switch that was mounted in a plastic bag in an effort to keep it dry but water would get in through the hole where the arm went causing the metal arm to be LIVE .I still have a two inch scar on my little finger after being bitten by one of these machines way back in 1974 but lovley to see one again after all these years
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Post# 1178080 , Reply# 47   4/14/2023 at 03:49 (386 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Morning Keith
Another great stash , could you do a scan please for Al so we can include it in the next video please , dont have any information on it at all ?
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Post# 1178082 , Reply# 48   4/14/2023 at 04:05 (386 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Morning Anthony, great hearing your stories of this rare machine after you having worked on them first hand , we can now understand what you meant about the smaller wash motor and then having to change to a more beefier powerful one later in the production run.
So the electrical cut out on the spin motor (which was what was happening to us) is because of over filling on the rinse water ? Glad you like Jamies Pfaff computer AI sewing machine, "I`ll send one round - That will be £5k please ....
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Post# 1178083 , Reply# 49   4/14/2023 at 04:20 (386 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)   |   | |
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Well that Twin tub does give that washing a good session !!! It’s lovely to see machines brought back to life and being enjoyed by everyone …. It just seems strange hearing a spinner motor racing away and the wash tub going around and the spinner being static !!!
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Post# 1178085 , Reply# 50   4/14/2023 at 05:11 (386 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Anthony, good to hear stories of the associated machines !!
This machine made such a whiny noise, i thought it was going to blow up, albeit it was how it was meant to be, but i thought time to move it on, plus i have the later Frigidaire Mastertwin (below) so didn't need both. Enjoy it Keith |
Post# 1178981 , Reply# 51   4/24/2023 at 15:47 (375 days old) by anthony (uk)   |   | |
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I see you have the beefier version .I cant imagine why anyone in the Frigidaire design team would think that small motor was a good idea but both machines were simple and easy to work on .I prefer these two models to the later Phillips clone with its flimsy knobs and all those hoses on the back of course they sold well because they were considerably cheaper than the Hotpoint or hoover equivalent . If i remember rightly the outer spin cans were not sealed on those machines rather like their spin dryers [if you put too much water in the spin dryer it pours out onto the floor and the electrics] .I don't think they were designed for rinsing in the spinner.We had at least a dozen of those machines in the warehouse all returned under guarantee where the wash motor had burned out after only a week or two of use. I would .The customers would demand their money back and then go for a Hoover or Hotpoint .We would be left with all the returned machines to strip for parts.Have you tried getting the top off that machine? yet [all those little caps over the screws that get wet and go rusty] Don't even get me started on the infamous Jetamatic
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Post# 1179063 , Reply# 52   4/25/2023 at 06:55 (375 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Hi Anthony,
Nope i haven't tried to get the top off yet and i don't think i want to, as you say all those little push-in screw covers will be a nightmare to replace, although i think i know somewhere, where i can get some replacements if i need them. With reference to the Frigidaire Jetamatic, i found some information on this infamous machine the other day, it is more from a sales and marketing perspective.. Cheers Keith |
Post# 1179079 , Reply# 53   4/25/2023 at 14:09 (374 days old) by anthony (uk)   |   | |
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Post# 1179121 , Reply# 54   4/26/2023 at 09:15 (374 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1179133 , Reply# 55   4/26/2023 at 15:18 (373 days old) by anthony (uk)   |   | |
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I attended numerous training sessions on various machines .All held at team Valley Newcastle. I remember doing one on the commercial version of the jetamatic .These were the ones used in frigidaire Launderettes [same machine no heater the hot and cold being mixed as it entered the machine but simpler controls a temperature selector and a slot for the money]also the big dryers and the large spin dryers all manufactured by GM
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Post# 1179179 , Reply# 56   4/27/2023 at 02:49 (373 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)   |   | |
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Post# 1179192 , Reply# 57   4/27/2023 at 07:25 (373 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Anthony
Oh do you have any documentation left by any chance, be fab to go back in time to resurect one. I remember seeing the Frigidaire models in the local launderette, a line of turquoise washing machines, all jumping away with the sudz hitting the glass window. They also had a Spencer dry cleaning machine, self service but there was a lady there to help when required , as as young kid I would help my nan haul around in those shopping trollyes her deep burgundy crush velvet lounge curtains for their yearly re-fresh . Got high on those fumes!! |
Post# 1179224 , Reply# 58   4/27/2023 at 15:18 (372 days old) by anthony (uk)   |   | |
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All .Well i don't think many will have survived because they were prohibitively expensive and very heavy on water .I only ever saw them in well to do homes and i don't think they were marketed well as i said we had a demonstration model in the show room but i never saw one in any of the department stores Binns CO OP ect and personally i don't think it was a very efficient machine as i've said before if overloaded the agitator would be banging up and down while the washing didn't move. Unfortunately i don't have any paperwork now . I got rid of lots of stuff back in the 80s .I had books full of high quality photos and exploded diagrams of the various machines .At the time i had a messy divorce going on and i had no option but to get rid of most of the stuff i had . I could kick myself now of course
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Post# 1179272 , Reply# 59   4/28/2023 at 03:12 (372 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Hi Mike,
In addition to what Anthony says, i wonder if these machines didn't sell in great volumes due to the fact they were mid/high priced and coupled with an unknown / unfamiliar wash action this could have contributed to the low sales numbers. When i was looking through vast amounts of ERT magazines a few years ago, there was a section about the Jetamatic, it was saying something about poor sales, Frigidaire had been disappointed in respect to the vast amount of money invested into advertising and publicity for this machine but failed to see the return, however the launderette industry embraced them for their mechanical simplicity and minimal breakdowns. I will get the sales literature scanned when i back at work next week. Regards Keith |