Thread Number: 93082
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Phosphate dishwasher detergent problems |
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Post# 1177085 , Reply# 1   4/4/2023 at 07:51 (396 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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Oh and here's a link to the detergent CLICK HERE TO GO TO therhett17's LINK |
Post# 1177095 , Reply# 3   4/4/2023 at 10:06 (396 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Phosphate and chlorine laden detergent still exists.
Is your water on the hard side?
I'd get those chalky results on occasion when I used institutional cascade in hard water. Problem disappeared in soft water conditions.
Try doubling the dose in both cups and see if the problem lessens or disappears. |
Post# 1177096 , Reply# 4   4/4/2023 at 10:18 (396 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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You don’t mention your water conditions and how clean or dirty the dishes are going in the dishwasher.
In any event I would reduce water temp to a maximum of 140 F or 120 and use the temperature boost option on your dishwasher if it is not automatically programmed. Also try a premium pod in the main detergent cup and add 1 tablespoon of whatever dishwasher liquid or powder you want to use in the pre-wash cup. Let us know how this works out. John. |
Post# 1177097 , Reply# 5   4/4/2023 at 10:19 (396 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1177109 , Reply# 7   4/4/2023 at 11:26 (395 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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It's not a temperature problem, I don't think you're using enough product.
I've had my water heater set at 160F for decades, no problems. Those temps are necessary for getting whites nice and clean using oxygen bleach in a washer without a heater. The energy used is almost negligible since less water is pulled from the heater under normal conditions. |
Post# 1177112 , Reply# 8   4/4/2023 at 11:42 (395 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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I can definitely try using more, but it just made me wonder if that was even the issue since I don't get the chalkiness using regular Cascade... |
Post# 1177113 , Reply# 9   4/4/2023 at 11:42 (395 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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Half a tablespoon in the main wash is definitely not enough detergent. A tablespoon is 15 ml, so you're only using 7.5 ml when you should be using closer to 40 ml. 8-9 GPG is considered hard water, although not extremely hard. I would recommend filling the dispenser completely. The photo shows the dosing guide for a KitchenAid KUDS23. You might be better off using a good detergent pac instead.
In the link you provided, it says that this detergent can also be used for hand washing dishes. This is the first time I have ever seen a dishwasher detergent say this. In fact, they normally say they are not suitable for washing dishes by hand. And I wonder if it really does contain STPP -- they claim it's 20-30% phosphate. Before the phosphate ban, Cascade contained about 30% phosphate which equates to about 8% phosphorus content.
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Post# 1177116 , Reply# 10   4/4/2023 at 11:47 (395 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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Thanks for the advice! Here's a screenshot from the SDS on the product
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Post# 1177120 , Reply# 11   4/4/2023 at 11:57 (395 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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You're welcome! Thanks for adding the extra info. It's interesting that they're saying it causes severe skin burns but can be used when washing dishes by hand 🤔
I have experimented with all kinds of different dishwasher detergents in different dishwashers, including ones with chlorine and phosphate. I also sometimes add phosphate to modern detergents. But I have always had a water softener (either whole-house or built into the dishwasher) so I don't have any experience of trying to alleviate the effects of hard water.
Another thought could be that the Cascade pacs contain a so-called "rinse aid action" which could help to avoid hard water build up, especially combined with the separate rinse aid you're using. Whereas the dishwasher powder you're using will not have a rinse aid effect, so you might need to turn up the rinse aid setting on your dishwasher. I would probably recommend filling the detergent dispenser completely full and also try increasing the rinse aid dosage when you're not using "all-in-one" pacs.
Good luck! Mark |
Post# 1177130 , Reply# 12   4/4/2023 at 12:41 (395 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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Post# 1177144 , Reply# 14   4/4/2023 at 14:24 (395 days old) by tennblondie78 (Bowling Green, KY)   |   | |
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I use Cascade Fryer Boil Out, which has phosphates, and I will get the white residue sometimes if my rinse aid is empty. I'm wondering if your rinse aid dispenser is working. I will also add that I live in an area with very hard water as well. I'm trying to get my husband to install a water softener.
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Post# 1177147 , Reply# 15   4/4/2023 at 14:38 (395 days old) by therhett17 (Oklahoma City, OK)   |   | |
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What kind of dishwasher do you have and how much of the fryer boil out do you use? |
Post# 1177543 , Reply# 16   4/8/2023 at 10:17 (392 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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We use Hytron dw detergent which is a lot like the old Electrasol formula. It is loaded with chlorine and STPP. It performs great for us, and our water heater temp is set at 130ºF. CLICK HERE TO GO TO polkanut's LINK |
Post# 1177987 , Reply# 19   4/13/2023 at 03:39 (387 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1178002 , Reply# 20   4/13/2023 at 09:25 (387 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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