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New speed queen front loads
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Post# 1185060   7/16/2023 at 21:55 (364 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines)        

Looks like they are in the process of updating their front load line up. Adding steam to the stacked unit and adding a cycle and few options-

Pet plus flea cycle.
They require your water heater to be at least 120°F
stain boost
It basically starts with cold water prewash, drains and adds whatever temp is selected.
Tub clean
Don’t remember seeing this on models before.

Pretty much like their top load models
Pet hair removal
pet items dry
Steam sanitize.
Steam refresh.

Static reduce
Steam boost.

I’m only in the know, because my LG died last night. (pump failure) I went through the process of considering a speed queen or Miele for something more durable, mainly because I use my washer and dryer for both business and personal use.. The $4500 price tag is a hard pill to swallow. So going to fix the LG for now. Its only 3 years old as of July 2020.

I like that speed queen is becoming more custom to the residental market, but the price increase sucks!

Post# 1185067 , Reply# 1   7/17/2023 at 00:07 (364 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"It basically starts with cold water prewash, drains and adds whatever temp is selected."

For love of God just add heating capacity already and be done.

All commercial/laundromat SQ washers have a cold water pre-wash that ranges from about 2-5 minutes. Nothing new there..

However subsequent main wash temperatures will be influenced by this "cold" water pre-wash or flush.

Even if tap hot water is 140F wash cycle on "hot" will be far cooler because machine is cold and laundry is soaked with cold water. Washers with heaters (steam or electric for commercial purposes) can boost water temp to get it to "hot" range of 140F to 170F or higher.

"Pet plus flea cycle."

What's next? Bed bug cycle? Body or head lice cycle? Scabies cycle?

In any event what worked in great-grandmother's day for latter holds true today; laundering in plenty of hot soapy water will do. Addition of heat via ironing or tumble drying will largely deal with any survivors of laundering process.

Post# 1185069 , Reply# 2   7/17/2023 at 00:36 (364 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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All commercial/laundromat SQ washers have a cold water pre-wash that ranges from about 2-5 minutes.


I used a new Speed Queen commercial washer and there's no pre wash cycle. It also tumble drains the wash water and has only one rinse, then (the only) spin. One can pay for each additional rinse (3 total) and more so far warm or hot water.


On top of that, the water levels are half of what the older machines used, which included a pre wash, 3 deep rinses with 3 full spins in between as a standard cycle. Also, no additional cost for warm or hot water. I quit going to the laundromat when these got replaced. When I moved, I found an older laundromat that still had a few of these washers and used them a couple of times but I no longer need to anymore. I think laundromats are going to continue to disappear as prices creep up to $10+ a load and cycles/water levels/rinses shrink down. I understand there's a lot of expense in running a business like this but prices are just getting too high.

Post# 1185071 , Reply# 3   7/17/2023 at 01:02 (364 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"I used a new Speed Queen commercial washer and there's no pre wash cycle"

Maybe owners have programmed those washers not to pre-wash.

SQ washers at local laundromat do a three minute pre-wash (more like flush since its so short) before main wash. This goes for all cycles.

Post# 1185090 , Reply# 4   7/17/2023 at 08:09 (364 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Speed Queen Commercial

My apartment complex has the Speed Queen Commercial front load washer. I use heavy soil on normal cycle and I've noticed what everybody has described.

Post# 1185092 , Reply# 5   7/17/2023 at 08:39 (364 days old) by WhiteWhiskers (Silicon Valley, California)        

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I'm getting 404 errors at the Speed Queen website when I try to look at their current front load models. It appears they've discontinued the rear control front loaders, FR7. It's only available as a front control FF7. What comes after in the model number has to do with whether the door is right or left. There's also a $300 rebate thing going on via BrandSource until July 27. This makes me think SQ is going to discontinue these models soon and has something new in the works.

My interest in this is that I'm going to buy a SQ front loader soon, my current 33 year old machine is ready for retirement.

Post# 1185098 , Reply# 6   7/17/2023 at 09:33 (364 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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SQ is having site/code issues, all the product links are throwing 404 errors.

Post# 1185102 , Reply# 7   7/17/2023 at 11:07 (364 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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The $4500 price tag is a hard pill to swallow.

Jesus, ya think?

Don't get me wrong, I think Speed Queen is great, but this is the reason why so many can't own one. That's highweigh robbery!

Post# 1185111 , Reply# 8   7/17/2023 at 11:55 (364 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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That's apparently what happens when commercial-grade goods are marketed to the consumer public without modifying the materials and design standards accordingly downward, and possibly without subsidizing the consumer side via the commercial side.

Post# 1185114 , Reply# 9   7/17/2023 at 12:21 (364 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        
Reply #8

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Yeah that's just it, but how far downward must they be modified one wonders? Surely there's a middle-grade we can reach that consumers can still afford without modifying the good so far down that it becomes a garbage product. The VMW top load washer platform comes to mind.

Post# 1185120 , Reply# 10   7/17/2023 at 13:23 (364 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
product code

So what is the new product code for this new lineup?

Post# 1185121 , Reply# 11   7/17/2023 at 13:25 (364 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Still won't buy, no effing onboard heater. And trust me, I know how little wash temp increases after a cold prewash & begins filling with hot that's at best 120F.

Post# 1185147 , Reply# 12   7/17/2023 at 21:14 (363 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
SQ site works for me...

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"DF7 dryer updated with Pet Plus™ cycles and steam features

Ripon, Wisconsin – [March 7, 2023] – Speed Queen, creator of the original cycles dedicated to pet items, is expanding on its pet commitment with the launch of its upgraded front load washer. The new model will feature a Flea Cycle.

“Since we introduced them in 2021, our Pet Plus™ cycles of the DR7 dryers have been wildly popular with pet owners,” said Cody Masluk, vice president of Speed Queen residential. “We are excited to add another helpful cycle.”

The Flea Cycle is proven to kill cat fleas (the most pervasive type) at every stage of the lifecycle, and is an additional tool for consumers, who have items that may have come in contact with the pests.

Speed Queen’s front load washer upgrade also includes a variety of features to make it a versatile investment for any laundry room. Among the upgrades are:

Stain Boost – For those especially tough stains – hot or cold type – this cycle add-on treats the load with a 20-minute cold water wash ahead of the main cycle.
Extra Rinses – Perfect for consumers with sensitive skin, enables users to add up to three additional cold rinses to ensure any residual chemistry is removed from items.

Tub Clean – A great option to keep the washer performing at its best.
Coupled with the upgrades to the front load washer, Speed Queen added the Pet Plus™ cycles to the matching DF7 dryer. In addition to the Pet Hair Removal and Pet Items cycles, the upgraded dryer now offers the convenience of steam options, including steam sanitize and steam refresh. A steam boost option will reduce wrinkles and pesky static for quality results. The DF7 also is ENERGY STAR® certified.

For more information about commercial quality Speed Queen products, visit"

Post# 1185172 , Reply# 13   7/18/2023 at 09:14 (363 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        

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oh for heaven's sake, speed queen, just put in a water heater!! Duh!!

Post# 1185174 , Reply# 14   7/18/2023 at 10:18 (363 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        

Don't understand why matching DF7 dryer is almost $1000 more than a matching dryer for top load SQ machines. All prices went up some and the price for the Front Load Washer is not that bad. Some other companies have prices that high for some of their products.

Post# 1185181 , Reply# 15   7/18/2023 at 11:21 (363 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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All the product pages are working this morning.  They were not yesterday.

Post# 1185221 , Reply# 16   7/18/2023 at 21:09 (362 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Need Heater

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Been saying it for years. Others are saying the same. Before re-inventing the wheel put a heater in these first!!!!!!!!! Please! This is why I refuse to use a front load washers. 


Also, is just me or did they change the door latch?

Post# 1185379 , Reply# 17   7/21/2023 at 03:26 (360 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
heatter and water recirculation

How hard is it for them to add a heater? I can't stand it when the water doesn't either, A. maintain a hot temperature, or B. purge the hot water line. Come on Speed Queen, get with the program. You also need to add a water recirculation pump for faster soaking time, along with a freshwater rinse spout to compete with the likes of Samsung and LG.

Post# 1185381 , Reply# 18   7/21/2023 at 03:46 (360 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Jerome, you see the truth! I love you buddy! smile



Heaters are essential to front loaders as well as recirculating pumps. Detergent can migrate down into the sump, but a pump will pull it out and redistribute it.



Me I'd take a wash pump any day over a dispenser.


Personally I think a tide pod belongs in the wash basket, not a dispenser. We can agree to disagree on this one.

Post# 1185435 , Reply# 19   7/21/2023 at 18:40 (360 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Our LG front loader has a heater. However, I can't seem to notice a difference with the heater versus just using straight hot water from the tap. So I don't use the heater anymore. I do believe it is just an extra feature that can break and it uses more electricity so I applaud SQ for not going back to that route. Yes SQ used to have heaters on their front loaders at one point.

Post# 1185445 , Reply# 20   7/21/2023 at 21:02 (359 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Alex, LG has their washers set up (to my disdain) that it only heats to 112F for hot and 90-95F for warm. That's bath water at best as far as I am concerned. So, I use extra hot to get decent temps of 120-140F if not higher. And from what I have observed, I obtain far superior results wth extra hot and the resulting hotter temps. LG will cool down yur hot water entering the if it's abve those stated "hot" and "warm" non boosted temps..And my house water heater is set at 120.

Post# 1185446 , Reply# 21   7/21/2023 at 21:06 (359 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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Don't LG front washers run the heater automatically if you select a temperature that's hot enough? I didn't think one was able to just opt out of using it and only use tap hot instead.

Post# 1185469 , Reply# 22   7/21/2023 at 22:32 (359 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Modern detergents work perfectly well in warm or cool (perhaps even cold) water. Especially coupled with rather long cycles found on many washers today.

Long as Americans continue to reach for chlorine bleach to do whites/stain removal on same, SQ likely isn't going to add a heater to their domestic front loaders again anytime soon if ever.

Even abroad SQ pushes washing with lower temperatures.

Apparently SQ does offer washers with electric heat, but these are OPL/laundromat/commercial.

On balance however am assuming many laundromat washers in Europe do heat water. At least going by comments to FB's YT video showing SQ washer people don't understand that "hot" water for washing in USA is what comes out of taps.

Post# 1185473 , Reply# 23   7/21/2023 at 22:55 (359 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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It is possible to get a "hot" wash with SQ or any other H-axis washer both domestic or otherwise. Same has was done in past and still may in some settings for all one knows.

Have hot water from taps between 160 and 180 degrees F. Using circulator will keep hot water moving in pipes so no flushing of cold water needed, soon as tap is open hot water comes out.

Pre-wash in warm (about 100F) water at hottest, then follow with wash using tap hot water as above. If water comes out at say 180F even accounting for hitting cold or warm wet wash and or cool machine you'll still get a wash temp of about 120 to 140 degrees F I shouldn't wonder.

Other way round is if it's hot water for bleaching or disinfecting one wants main hot wash is followed by another or even first rinse at same tap hot water temp (see above). By this time both machine and laundry in it are hot so there won't be much of a temperature drop. Rinses done in split (warm) water means machine won't cool down much so next cycles get a head start on temp by going into a washer what is already "heated" if you will.

Keeping boilers or other source of hot water at 140 or 180 degrees F obviously uses quite a lot of energy. So there's that to consider.

Up until say 1960's or maybe 1970's it wasn't uncommon in USA to find DHW that came out of heater at 180 degrees F (if not higher). Things were tempered down to 120-125 degrees F for safe use when bathing, lavatories, etc...., but washing machines, dishwashers and some other bits got full on hot water. This of course was when laundry was done in tubs, semi-automatic or even fully automatic washers that could handle such hot water temps. When soap was still queen of wash day one needed all that hot water for various reasons as well.

Today don't believe many have DWH above 120 F, though some do set their heaters (if possible) to 140F.

Post# 1185474 , Reply# 24   7/21/2023 at 23:03 (359 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Keep in mind back in day and still now many homes, larger buildings and certainly laundries got DHW by either coils inside steam or hot water boilers used to provide heating. This and or indirect coils for same. Either way one was getting "free" hot water from same boilers that were producing steam or hot water for heating or other purposes.

Around here when boilers are set to "winter" tap hot water ranges between 160F to nearly 180F. Thus no real need to use water heating capability of any of my European washers. Just pre-wash or soak in warm water, then let washer fill with hot for main and that is that. DWH is supposed to be tempered down to a reasonable temp, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

Don't do this often as one would like as was warned by Miele tech that one really shouldn't go above 140F as valves are only rated for that number. Since Miele no longer stocks hot water valves for my washer don't want to press one's luck.

Two AEG washers are designed for cold fill and aren't thrilled with warm or certainly hot water.

Post# 1185591 , Reply# 25   7/23/2023 at 00:01 (358 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ryne, I'm finally getting around respond to above.

The LG front loader from my observation; Normal and Heavy Duty do not engage the heater unless extra hot is selected. Extra Hot also allows for total fill at whatever temperature the hot water heater provides. Otherwse, those two cycles fill with hot or warm water that is regulated for specifc temps for warm or hot and that's different for Normal or Heavy Duty. For Whites, Permanent Press, Bulky/Bedding, and Towels warm water is a maximum of 90 to 95F and hot is a max of 112F. On these cycles, once the maximum temperature is reached, the heater turns off and doesn't come back on. All these cycles allow to select any soil level and you know that impacts the wash phase duration. Sanitize engages the heater after wash flll has completed after 5 to 10 mnutes. You can also select the range of soil levels and that also impacts what the temperature is by the time wash water drains. The follwing cycles have steam as an option: Whites, Normal, Heavy Duty, Bulky/Bedding, and Sanitize. Steam is efault on for Allergiene. Two things to remember when steam is selected--no prewash is allowed and soil levels aren't available. Steam target temperature for the wash cycle environment s 162-163 degrees. But depending upon load size, cycle, how warm or cool temperaature for the surrounng area where the washer is can have an impact on how hot the wash cycle is before the spin and rinses begin.

Post# 1185787 , Reply# 26   7/24/2023 at 21:23 (356 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
warm on delicates

How many degrees is warm on delicates?

Post# 1186968 , Reply# 27   8/6/2023 at 08:42 (344 days old) by WhiteWhiskers (Silicon Valley, California)        
out with the old in with the new

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Here it is, factory fresh from Ripon, Wisconsin. Have done three loads since delivery yesterday and am very pleased with the results. Still trying out the various cycles and extras. VERY quiet. Kitty has been totally frantic, usually she's not allowed in the laundry room. But she had a sense that something changed in her world, so let her in where she cautiously inspected this strange new box.

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Post# 1186970 , Reply# 28   8/6/2023 at 09:03 (344 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Congrats on your new speed queen.

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