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Post# 1190641   9/25/2023 at 17:44 (216 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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Profile models.

 

$200 in Louisville, KY

 

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Post# 1190642 , Reply# 1   9/25/2023 at 17:52 (216 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Here you go Sean(Stuftrock). Just what you were looking for. You won’t find too many of these anymore.

Post# 1190643 , Reply# 2   9/25/2023 at 18:05 (216 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Melvin, there's a reason for that, they seldom work.laughing


Post# 1190650 , Reply# 3   9/25/2023 at 21:21 (215 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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"Quiet by design" is reason why they arer so quite because they don't work.

Post# 1190654 , Reply# 4   9/25/2023 at 22:38 (215 days old) by stuftrock1 (Kentucky)        

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Hey those look neat! That timer dial brings me back to my childhood, but I've never seen electronic controls on a washer that old. I'd love to get this set to mess around with, but I'm currently working on getting a Kenmore Elite set I found for dirt cheap. If that ends up falling through then I'll look into getting this.


Post# 1190657 , Reply# 5   9/25/2023 at 23:20 (215 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Were these the infamous "plastic GE's"?

Post# 1190660 , Reply# 6   9/26/2023 at 00:37 (215 days old) by stuftrock1 (Kentucky)        
Were these the infamous "plastic GE's"?

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Yes, they are. Looks like they are from the late 90s, either 98 or 99. Still transmission driven, so at least its not a Hydrowave. My grandfather had a set just like this when I was a child, except with all mechanical controls.


Post# 1190662 , Reply# 7   9/26/2023 at 01:02 (215 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Kenny and Bob already said what I was going to.  Filter Flo machines that are twice as old are still going strong.  These two must have seen very little use to still be viable.  The lesser model that American Home Shield replaced my mom's '74 Quiet Pack Kenmore with (a notch below the LK) sounded like a hand saw and was incredibly cheaply made.  The plastic tub could be batted around with little effort and the whole machine weighed maybe half of what the Kenmore did, if that.  Even the Kenmore's notorious '67 Snorge predecessor was built better than that GE, but just poorly engineered.

 

But on a fun note, I mistreated the hell out of that GE because 1) I loved that rare Kenmore model and it was fixable, and 2) I hated AHS for replacing a nearly TOL machine with a BOL by an inferior manufacturer, so the flimsy GE served as an ideal scapegoat.  Dave and I knew we were going to get a new FL pair with more capacity anyway, once we came to a decision on machines that would fit in a standard footprint.

 

When the guys came to install the Affinities in 2008 and haul away the GE and Snorge "Signature 2000 Series" or whatever gas dryer, they asked if the dryer worked and I told them it worked fine.  They didn't even bother to ask about the washer. 


Post# 1190667 , Reply# 8   9/26/2023 at 02:14 (215 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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stuftrock1:  ... but I've never seen electronic controls on a washer that old.
There are no electronics involved except the moisture sensor on the dryer which controls the timer motor on auto-dry.  The buttons are mechanical.

My 1999 F&P dryer is a clone of that GE dryer, with the same pushbuttons, except the F&P has timed and three auto-dry cycles ... Regular, Perm Press, and a separate auto-dry cycle for Delicates.  The belt broke in 2021 and I replaced two of the drum glides and the bearing sleeve (nephew/wife/child had been using it since 2016).  No other repair have been done to it.


Post# 1190677 , Reply# 9   9/26/2023 at 10:32 (215 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Mid to late 90s GE washer and dryer

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From the looks of the pictures, it looks like these machines had a fair amount of use, and they’re still going strong.

These were far better performers than the Filter Flow machines that came before them in almost every respect, and one things for sure there’s a lot more of these mid to late 90s GE’s running them there are Filter Flow‘s today.

All these Filter Flow and belt drive and Maytag dependable care washers that were seen today for sale are only still around because they were hardly used at all. There are very few washers from the 70s and 80s that are still running in daily regular use.

John


Post# 1190706 , Reply# 10   9/26/2023 at 17:24 (215 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The fact this washer was plugged in through a grounding adapter doesn't speak in favor of longevity.

 

 

@Tolivac- Yes, that is indeed the persona non grata washer and dryer. Profile series which was TOL for GE-  ie lipstick on a pig. Only "good" thing about the washer is the dual action agi knock off.

 

I had the MOL version of that dryer. Cottons got way to hot and would cook the clothes, PP and delicate was lukewarm and you'd have to reset the timer because the auto dry would cutoff with the clothes still damp. GE dryers have some of the most complicated thermostatic control systems that despite what GE's literature says offers nothing of value other than complexity and longer drying times.

 

Perhaps the electronic card in this dryer can do better.  


Post# 1190739 , Reply# 11   9/27/2023 at 08:21 (214 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Believe those dryers came from the Canadian CAMCO plant. They produced both the small capacity wall-hung dryers and the large-capacity dryers, leaving Louisville to produce the bulk of the line. Believe that plant also produced electric stoves (the ones with the stacked control panel on t.he right and left of the rather tall backsplash)

Post# 1190743 , Reply# 12   9/27/2023 at 10:51 (214 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I didn't have any under-dry or temp problems with the F&P unit.  It did tend to overdry at the asterisk/"normal dry" position of the Regular cycle, simple matter to set it at a lower position.  PP & Delicate on it don't have a designated "normal dry" mark.


Post# 1190755 , Reply# 13   9/27/2023 at 13:51 (214 days old) by Historian (Owensboro, KY )        
I loved my set like these

Well, I'm with John on this one. I had that same set which saw heavy daily use. The only repair I made was replacing the solenoid water valve. The hot water side quit opening. About 2 years ago the belt started slipping and I decided to replace the set due to the age of the set and mainly because I wanted another top loader before agitators became obsolete. That washer did a fantastic job of cleaning and removing lint. I replaced it with a new GE(Haire) set. The one with the gray console and Hydrowave. I was surprised to find that they barely put any water in the tub due to gov regulations. That makes it hard to wash a comforter. I thought it was broken at first lol. Seems to clean pretty good though. My only complaint so far is that it doesn't remove lint. I have to wash my black tablecloth by itself and still has lint presumably from the previous load? I actually prefer the plastic tubs to porcelain steel. Those old porcelain steel tubs definitely have rust issues. The plastic tubs still looked like new after 20+ years of heavy use. Don't get me wrong. I love the old beautiful machines and have collected quite a few filter flos but I loved my set like the ones that are the subject of this post as well. My only complaint with this set was that the plastic film over those mechanical buttons cracked and flaked far before I was ready to retire the machine. They still worked fine but spoiled the beauty of the machines.

Post# 1190756 , Reply# 14   9/27/2023 at 14:09 (214 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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@DaDoes: Do you know where your dryer was made? Can you share more specifics about it? If your dryer is electronically controlled that would certainly make a difference.


Post# 1190760 , Reply# 15   9/27/2023 at 15:11 (214 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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F&P model DE04-US6, Camco in Canada.


Post# 1190764 , Reply# 16   9/27/2023 at 17:24 (214 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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How do these differ from the Louisville design? 


Post# 1190774 , Reply# 17   9/27/2023 at 22:33 (213 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Reply number 10

What in the world does having a washer plugged into a grounding adapter have to do with longevity, chet your ramblings, are just ridiculous and off-the-wall most of the time.

John


Post# 1190777 , Reply# 18   9/27/2023 at 22:47 (213 days old) by stuftrock1 (Kentucky)        

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Well the person I was trying to buy the Kenmore Elite from stopped responding and then removed the listing a day later. It was a matching Kenmore Elite DD set that looked to be in really nice condition for only $150! I'm disappointed I couldn't get it.

 

So now it looks like I'll be trying to get this set after all. 


Post# 1190779 , Reply# 19   9/27/2023 at 23:03 (213 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Go for them! You might get them for $150.

Post# 1190788 , Reply# 20   9/28/2023 at 10:09 (213 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Reply 10

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No homeowner wittingly lifts the ground prong on an appliance unless to get around a routinely tripping AFCI or GFCI. 

 

 

All NRTL listed appliances sold in the US are tested to have a leakage current under 5 milliamps. 

 

 

If you understood electrical theory, or payed attention to pertinent details while working hands on, you wouldn't misinterpret my posts as being off topic.

 

 

TL;DR: That washer has an internal ground fault.


Post# 1190791 , Reply# 21   9/28/2023 at 10:49 (213 days old) by Historian (Owensboro, KY )        
Birth place of my set

I don't recall where my washer or dryer were manufactured. My memory is not that great. I do remember that at least some of my machines were made in Canada which came as a surprise to me since GE Appliance park (Haire) in Louisville is still in operation.

Post# 1190792 , Reply# 22   9/28/2023 at 11:01 (213 days old) by Historian (Owensboro, KY )        
Grounding

BTW, I'm confused about the grounding issue comments. Their outlet is installed upside down and if it is an older house it wouldn't have had a gfci outlet. If it is a newer home it would most likely have a gfci breaker in the box. I installed a gfci outlet several years back just for added safety for my washer since my home was built in 1967. I always feel more secure with a GFCI when electricity is near water.

Post# 1190793 , Reply# 23   9/28/2023 at 11:25 (213 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The outlet appears relatively new with patch work underneath it. I am making a guess the circuit has been brought up to code during a renovation- new 3 wire with AFCI/GFCI.


Post# 1190880 , Reply# 24   9/29/2023 at 15:41 (212 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
"outlet upside down"

Not really. This is the preferred method of installation, with the grounding prong at the top. The reasoning is that if the plug would happen to be less than fully inserted into the receptacle, and a metal object would happen to slide down against the plugs prongs, that it would contact the grounding prong, rather than the hot. Manufacturers catalogs usually have their receptacle products pictured in this manner. I'm at the library now, which is a new building, and the receptacles all have the ground slot at the top, as do nearly all newer commercial buildings I've been in recently. Link to Legrand/Pass & Seymour.

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Post# 1190924 , Reply# 25   9/30/2023 at 05:59 (211 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Normal grounded outlet position

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In this region of the world at least 90% of outlets are installed with the ground connector down for standard 120 V outlets.

Probably 90% of grounded cords where the cord comes out sideways are installed so the cord hangs nicely when the ground prong is at the bottom of the outlet,

The funny thing in the same picture the dryer outlet is installed with the ground down, which actually causes the two hot conductors to be exposed when the cord comes partly out of the outlet to falling, coat hangers, etc.

Reply number 10 we still haven’t heard an explanation for this mythical grounding adapter on the washer as to how it caused the durability or condition of this machine not to be good, I guess Chet’s record, jumped a couple grooves lol

John


Post# 1190951 , Reply# 26   9/30/2023 at 12:30 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The grounding adapter is not the cause of poor durability or of said condition, rather a symptom.

 

Lifting the ground of a faulty appliance stops an GFCI, AFCI or even regular breaker from tripping at the dangerous expense of creating a 27 x 42 x 28 inch electrified cube.

 

Don't know about you, but in my world an appliance leaking copious current to ground does not indicate the machine is good.

 

See the first image where there is about 1 inch distance between the outlet and cord cap, in the second image the adapter is clearly visible if you zoom in.

 

 


Post# 1190953 , Reply# 27   9/30/2023 at 12:32 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Also notice the brown water line at the cold side of the inlet valve. If that water leak is internal or in the valve body itself it would make sense that wet harness connections inside the machine would leak electricity to ground.



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