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Thread Number: 94415
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Speed Queen AWN 432 |
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Post# 1190799 9/28/2023 at 14:45 (212 days old) by joelippard  (Hickory) |
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 I can not believe I am actually making a post about a modern machine! However, I recently acquired a pre-owned Speed Queen AWN 432 set with the assistance of fellow club member Bob Orear. It took quite a bit of cleaning up and a new wire and fuse on the dryer. The previous owner was a heavy doser with fabric softener in the washer along with cold washes. It was disgusting to take apart and clean up.
I have to say I really love this machine, they both do a very fine job, are extremely well built and the washer is the newest "essence of old school" that I have ever seen. I'm impressed! | ||
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Post# 1190801 , Reply# 1 9/28/2023 at 15:00 (212 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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fabric softener Fabric softener works as long as you use a deep rinse and a reasonable water level and temp. | ||
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Post# 1190802 , Reply# 2 9/28/2023 at 15:13 (212 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Oh Congrats! :-)  ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
This is one of the best washers ever made! I have the model below this one (AWN 412) as my daily driver.
Best suspension in existence, (balance, vibration, noise), excellent cleaning, fast cycle times, good rinsing, big transmission, self cleaning with warm water and detergent, long life, reliable, dependable and overall solid.
Do not listen to all the negative voices on here saying these are poor performing washer that are merely imitations of a once not so popular in the competition design. They are just jealous you have a real washer. I know, I use a Speed Queen every day. I only fall deeper in love each cycle.
Use, enjoy and don't think twice. | ||
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Post# 1190803 , Reply# 3 9/28/2023 at 15:44 (212 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1190807 , Reply# 5 9/28/2023 at 16:08 (212 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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big transmission I wonder just how big the transmission is. I also wonder what the oil smelled like or does smell like. I bet it's very thick for all those beefy steel gears. | ||
| Post# 1190810 , Reply# 6 9/28/2023 at 16:55 (212 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1190825 , Reply# 7 9/28/2023 at 21:52 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190826 , Reply# 8 9/28/2023 at 22:10 (211 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Congratulations Joe. Bob is a terrific guy. I still miss him and wish he aws still here in Texas. It's such a crime for an owner to be so heavy handed with fabric softener and on top of that only washing in cold water. Congratulations on such an outstanding cleaning from the ground up!! And a perfect model before they bastardized changing the cycels to Heavy Duty/Perm Press and Normal/Eco crap. That timer is a true, legitimate top load washer.
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Post# 1190844 , Reply# 9 9/29/2023 at 10:24 (211 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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to chetlaham I bet that Speed Queen Gear Oil smells strong and is thick. How do you think that gear oil smells? | ||
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Post# 1190863 , Reply# 10 9/29/2023 at 13:04 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190885 , Reply# 11 9/29/2023 at 16:36 (211 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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filter flo oil vs. direct drive oil What about direct drive oil? How does that smell compared to filter-flo oil? I've smelled filter-flo oil and I completely agree. It brings back memories. | ||
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Post# 1190887 , Reply# 12 9/29/2023 at 17:15 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190890 , Reply# 13 9/29/2023 at 18:11 (211 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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post FF oil What do you think of post FF oil compared to FF oil? I have a feeling that SQ uses pungent oil like the GE FF and Whirlpool DD. To me, the FF and DD oils smell similar. | ||
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Post# 1190892 , Reply# 14 9/29/2023 at 18:43 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Believe it or not I've never taken apart a post FF transmission despite the fact the apartment haul away pile was absolutely teaming with post FF washers. My interest was only in FF washers, I only ever played around with post FF washers just to get a general idea of what was wrong with them rather than studying or experimenting with them in depth out of curiosity. It wasn't all that hard to tell what was wrong with a post FF washer, when the agi lifts straight up without hesitation with the air bell cracked or you set the machine to spin with the motor shaft spinning in its clutch but the belt does not turn you knew- I was satisfied enough. However today I am kicking myself I never forensically autopsied these washers in depth. I wish I had, there was so much I could have learned but at the same time my love for vintage and dislike for modern had already been solidified into my personality. I was 100% invested in FFs, hoping that GE might bring them back. I know that was naive thinking 15 years ago, even more so today.
Fortunately there is still Speed Queen. For now. | ||
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Post# 1190895 , Reply# 15 9/29/2023 at 19:10 (211 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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post FF transmissions Those post FF transmissions were small, yet sounded similar to the DD washer when agitation was in progress. I bet that oil had a pungent smell like the FF counterpart without taking them apart. | ||
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Post# 1190896 , Reply# 16 9/29/2023 at 19:19 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190900 , Reply# 17 9/29/2023 at 19:53 (211 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE transmissions It's astonishing how GE went from huge transmissions to tiny ones. What an insult to the GE filter-flo. They ruined themselves. I missed everything about the filter-flo since it left my house for the one that came after, including the familiar souns I enjoyed. | ||
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Post# 1190902 , Reply# 18 9/29/2023 at 20:20 (211 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Absolute crime what became of the FF. Don't get me started. Had GE abandoned the FF design for the Raytheon or Amana designs I could forgive/understand that. But no.
GE did ruin themselves. Haier now owns GE, which shows the outcome. I remember comparing motor and drain seals on their mids 80s vs late 90s Potscrubbers. They fact they literally had had less than half the wear material not even adjusted for age shows not just deliberate cheapening but deliberate built in planned obsolescence.
As much as it hurts us, GE is happy with the outcome. Executives want to extract what wealth is in a company before they retire with no concern about future of said company because it no longer effects them in any way.
If everyone was like me it simply wouldn't happen. Apart from the political movements in the streets people would only buy solid designs. | ||
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Post# 1190906 , Reply# 19 9/29/2023 at 22:03 (210 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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gear oil smell Chetlaham, if you had smelled the FF and post FF gear oils side by side, which one would you think would smell more? What about to Maytag and Whirlpool, and even Speed Queen? | ||
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Post# 1190908 , Reply# 20 9/29/2023 at 22:17 (210 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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My vote goes to GE FF, followed by Speed Queen in terms of oil odor. But its just a very wild guess based on my own whimsical assumptions about what Post FF oil might be like. So no clue really.
There was a time though when GE washers may have or just had Speed Queen oil in them. My dream had become partly true for a brief period when Amana washers were sold under the GE name. I wish GE choose this design for their post FF washers and stuck with it. Fixed all the seal leaks like Alliance did. Same metal outter tub and transmission like alliance, but with a 3 port pump for a filter flo scheme. Re-used the FF cycle concepts of Normal, Extra clean, Poly knit and Mini quick.
This would have been the GE I know. Imagine being able to buy a modern Speed Queen but under the GE name at every appliance seller.
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Post# 1190938 , Reply# 21 9/30/2023 at 09:58 (210 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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speed queen oil weight I wonder how heavy that Speed Queen Gear Oil is compared to post FF, FF, DD, and Maytag. | ||
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Post# 1190947 , Reply# 22 9/30/2023 at 11:38 (210 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190954 , Reply# 24 9/30/2023 at 12:40 (210 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1190960 , Reply# 25 9/30/2023 at 13:40 (210 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE amana agitation What was the agitation like on the Amana built GE's? | ||
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Post# 1191257 , Reply# 27 10/4/2023 at 16:43 (206 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE Amana strokes per minute How many strokes per minute was the GE Amana washer? | ||
| Post# 1191261 , Reply# 28 10/4/2023 at 18:07 (206 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
Nice grab!
Does the water inlet deflector on yours shoot water out straight or at an angle like on the newer SQs' such as this one? I'm not sure when they decided to change that and why but I actually like it shooting at an angel. I think it's more fun to watch fill up than on a Whirlpool, GE, Maytag, etc.
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Post# 1191278 , Reply# 29 10/5/2023 at 01:01 (205 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Angled Fill Count me in on preferring the angled fill over Whirlpool, GE and Maytag. Speed Queen went to the angled fill in 2015/2016 when they came out with their Normal Eco cycle which uses a series of 3 spray rinses instead of a deep rinse. I like this method of saving water, I think it has its purpose particularly with non bulk items.
The OP machine has a standard straight down fill given away be the "D" design of the tub, the fill flume is molded into the tub cover instead of being a separate piece found on the angled fill models.
Normal Eco model right after its original release:
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Post# 1191287 , Reply# 31 10/5/2023 at 07:13 (205 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Speed Queen top load washers over the past 15 years
Have been extremely reliable, both the TC and TR machines, the TC style old machines were excellent performers, they worked much better than any dependable Care Maytag for sure, and you never had to go back and reset an unbalanced load and you never have a speed queen walk, because the superior self leveling rear feet.
Construction quality in corrosion resistance of the Speed Queen bass pan is superior to let Maytag used as well. You’ll never see a rusty base pan in Speed Queen. John | ||
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Huh that's interesting. Because when I used both of these machines before up in the Pacific Northwest, I didn't remember the water shooting out straight since they both didn't had the normal eco cycle. But of course this was years ago. I was thinking that all of these newer style SQs' was shooting water out at an angle until I saw some videos on YouTube like this Amana for example that was shooting water out straight. I thought that's a bit boring. But I did seem to recall that one of these AWM593W I've used before down in the Grand Canyon state filled water up all over the tub. I thought that's pretty cool. Anyways with that being said. I may not like the government stricting regulations but this is one thing that I'm actually glad they did. I think the normal eco cycle and water shooting out at an angle helps without having to use a extra rinse cycle.
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Post# 1191344 , Reply# 33 10/6/2023 at 05:32 (204 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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If I am correct that AWM593W uses a two belt system. Here is a thread covering such a washer in depth:
The Raytheon system is my second favorite washer design ever after the Maytag dependable care. Modern Speed Queens is my third favorite. Anything Maytag/Herrin/Norge/Amana/Atlantis/Performa with a milk stool suspension and big juicy transmission I am drawn to. Though I think most of these designs were rather poorly executed. The performa was born out of economy rather than making a larger capacity version of the Dependable Care. Early Speed Queens had early steal failures, Magic chef was all around mediocre, WCI horribly engineered and cheapened what could have been a good design. I have less an affinity for anything that hangs like BD Whirlpools, but I'll give their engineering the credit of making the best of it to the point of outshining washers like the Atlantis.
I agree regarding what you said about being able to skip a deep rinse. I think that 4 30 second spray rinses or 3 45 second spray rinses or two 60 second spray rinses would be enough to adequately rinse a large load. Enough that it should be offered on all cycles.
@Combo52: You bring up a great point yet again. If Maytag was still around they could change the base pan to rival Speed Queens. Dependable cares would have been perfected by this and a few other changes with a bit more evolution. | ||
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Post# 1191360 , Reply# 34 10/6/2023 at 10:58 (204 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE washer And probably my least favorite from a build quality standpoint is the GE post FF washers. Their transmissions are tiny and couldn't hold a candle to the ones you listed, Chet. It's like they sounded like they'd fall apart during agitation and blast oil everywhere. | ||
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Post# 1191369 , Reply# 35 10/6/2023 at 11:42 (204 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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The whole washer sounded like it was trying to self destruct during agitation. Spin was quiet, but the gurgling and vibration from the drain pump made the washer sound louder than any other washer in existence. Transmission was crazy small as well as the clutch. Remember the FF clutches? They were roughly 5 times as big as the model T clutches. Later model Ts did away with the clutches at the expense the motor would trip out on a suds lock.There is even a thread here where that happened. | ||
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Post# 1191485 , Reply# 36 10/7/2023 at 13:05 (203 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE washer I remember that. And, I remember the motor shrieking steadily on the normal/fast speed setting, where the filter-flo on the other hand had a motor that did an assertive hum. | ||
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Post# 1191492 , Reply# 37 10/7/2023 at 15:25 (203 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1191546 , Reply# 38 10/8/2023 at 11:25 (202 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Start relays on Filter Flow GE washers
Would often stick and cause the start winding to burn out it was really not that great system, the centrifugal switch that everybody from Maytag whirlpool in Westinghouse used was a far more reliable system in a split phase motor to start it.
GE did not use a centrifugal switch because it was so close to the ground And centrifugal switches have to have fire or spark, arresting capabilities, and GE decided to put a relay up higher instead, it was not a good decision. The motors in the T model washers, both with and then the better yet without the clutch, never went bad in comparison to the number of Filter Flow motors that we had to change. The motor used in the new top load washers after they eliminated the clutch was an amazing motor. You’ll never see one of those wear out. Also the clutch in the T model washer, and the one Speed Filter Flow are nearly identical in size, however, in the T model washer, the clutch didn’t have to do much, and I never saw one of those fail compared to Filter Flow machines where the shoes would wear down and tear through the outer cast-iron drum. John | ||
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Post# 1191565 , Reply# 39 10/8/2023 at 17:34 (202 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE motors So why did GE use shrieking motors on their plastic tub washers while they used more assertive sounding motors on their filter-flos? | ||
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Post# 1191572 , Reply# 40 10/8/2023 at 20:20 (202 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Reply 38-
You bring up a lot of good points. Regarding the centrifugal switch I have to disagree. Whirlpool BDs had a centrifugal switch in a machine without a base pan. The switching is internal and the body should not emit any sparks of fire.
The clutch-less motors were definitely better provided you did not have a suds lock.
Do you have a pic of the inner clutch drum from a FF vs that of a clutch model T? I still remember the two speed clutch being 5 times the size in comparison but its been a while I will admit. | ||
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Post# 1191644 , Reply# 41 10/9/2023 at 20:35 (201 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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clutch noise So did you hear any clutch noise from the post GE ff as opposed to the FF? I wish somebody could show a cutaway of the transmissions on both machines and the oil they both used. | ||
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Post# 1191671 , Reply# 42 10/10/2023 at 06:35 (200 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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I remember no distinct noise from the post FF clutch.
As reliable as not having a clutch is, you should be able to physically hold the tub stationary while the motor spins while not have the motor trip out or stall. A good clutch gently brings up a tub to speed while reducing torque on the motor.
On the model T design without the clutch the motor could trip out in the first spin during a suds lock with the timer advancing into rinse and final spin without the motor ever running. Not much of an advantage. | ||
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Post# 1191904 , Reply# 43 10/13/2023 at 23:58 (196 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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motor noises What motor noises do you remember on these machines? | ||
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Post# 1192367 , Reply# 44 10/22/2023 at 03:39 (188 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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