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Thread Number: 95117
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
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Post# 1197687 1/22/2024 at 13:24 (315 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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| Post# 1197688 , Reply# 1 1/22/2024 at 13:35 (315 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1197694 , Reply# 2 1/22/2024 at 13:54 (315 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Right- but they went through the trouble creating a different timer as to allow for hot/warm/cold fills or multiple cycles Normal/PP. I've always assumed the other way around would have cheaper. Keep the same timer as the next lineup, crimp the wires internally for warm/cold only and just use the same pressure switch as with all the other models. Plus the advantage of saving water of course.
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Post# 1197707 , Reply# 3 1/22/2024 at 18:27 (315 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Post# 1197711 , Reply# 4 1/22/2024 at 19:44 (315 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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It might help to look at this from the reverse approach
I believe the approach of most manufacturers, when offering a BOL washer, was to make something that a person on a very strict budget could live with, but at the same time would encourage most buyers to move up to other models in the line that offered more features and thus more profitability. Therefore multiple water levels, which makes sense for most users, are not present on many BOL machines, because they would make them more appealing and cause more of them to be sold.
If I recall, in the early 1980s, the bottom of the line Kenmore machine was approximately $100-$120 cheaper than the middle of the line Kenmore models. The cost to manufacture was definitely not of the same price gap, and the margin on the bottom of the line machine was considerably smaller than the middle or upper level. Thinking about the middle of the line machines that I’ve used all my life, they most often have been used with only very minor modifications, if any, to the single cycle that is offered on BOL machines. I do adjust water levels fairly often, especially on large capacity machines, and I will adjust incoming water temperatures, but that’s about it. So moving up the line that has an adjustable water level and adjustable temperatures, you’re at the MOL models. That’s just me though… So in a nutshell, the bottom of the line machine was there as a starting point, and was carefully crafted not to be something that sold in high numbers or appealed to a lot of buyers. The goal was to move people up the line to the machines with price points that offered more profitability. Gordon | ||
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Post# 1197716 , Reply# 5 1/22/2024 at 21:42 (315 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 1197720 , Reply# 6 1/22/2024 at 23:07 (315 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Kenmoreguy- You hit the nail on the head! I've always suspected this but could never truly confirm it. You've eloquently put to words what I've always thought. BOL I guess is just to get a foot in the door and a sales associate convo going.
Personally I've long fantasized about a King Size Kenmore Elite / Elite Catalyst washer but with a single cycle timer and a one speed motor. You get everything- the jumbo lid, the bleach dispenser, the king size DA agitator, the softener dispenser, advanced quiet pack, the white tub, ect but with the dependability of a Galaxy. Of course not likely to come to fruition in this reality, but if everyone was like me lets just say it would have existed and it would have been a rather popular seller lol. | ||
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Post# 1197722 , Reply# 7 1/22/2024 at 23:13 (315 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1197727 , Reply# 8 1/23/2024 at 00:33 (315 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 ... but with the dependability of a Galaxy.Not so much. Catalyst is more complex than a BOL Galaxy, even with a mechanical timer. Drain/recirculate valve, extra timer cams to operate the dispensers and drain valve, all Catalyst models have an off-balance switch, and the Catalyst treatment spin is at low speed presumably for engineering reasons so minimum a 2-speed motor is involved. | ||
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Post# 1197728 , Reply# 9 1/23/2024 at 01:03 (315 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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My bad- I should have been more specific. Catalyst rubber guard and ball balance ring only. No dispensers or extra water distribution (except agi mounted softener and direct to tub bleach). No OBS. One speed motor would work with such a design.
Better yet a commercial grade clutch and motor coupler. My idea is that you get all the passive luxury features while being able to benefit from the simplicity of few active components. I can live without the Catalyst, cool down, extra rinse, intermittent agitation, 2 or 3 speed motor, extra solenoid valves, detergent dispenser, wax motor, ATC, timed bleach, ect. Galaxy had the disadvantage of a single piece agitator, speckled tub, small capacity, no softener dispenser, no bleach, no spill guard lid, no quiet pack, no padding, no enamel top, and the ugly plastic control panel. | ||
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Post# 1197730 , Reply# 10 1/23/2024 at 01:20 (315 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Catalyst Balance System | ||
| Post# 1197749 , Reply# 11 1/23/2024 at 11:28 (315 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
Our BOL top-loader Hotpoint... | ||
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Post# 1197758 , Reply# 12 1/23/2024 at 13:07 (314 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Your model has a 3 coil water valve which I wish was used more often:
www.amazon.com/Replacemen... Your washer is a hydrowave with everything else being identical to the model T. Not my favorite design, but it is on the simple side. | ||
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