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Post# 1197825   1/24/2024 at 09:59 by flsq (Florida)        

First off want to say I already own a Speed Queen AWS that's getting old and worn so I have been looking for a newer used one to replace it. Came across a LWN432SP115TW01 commercial washer which is pretty much the holy grail these days on FB marketplace. The seller states that it was just installed in December and is brand new but something is wrong with it. "It won’t cycle through the stages of washing. You can manually operate each stage, but it does not do it on its own." is what is explained in the add and they are asking $380 which is a screaming deal if it's a simple fix. Anyone have an idea what the problem could be? I mean I suppose i could just pick it up and have SQ fix it under warranty right? I have the serial number so I guess i could check to see if it's still under warranty.






Post# 1197829 , Reply# 1   1/24/2024 at 11:21 by thatwasherguy (Kentucky)        
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It sounds to me like the timer has failed, and is no longer advancing. You can check the manufacture date by looking at the first four digits of the serial number. The first two digits of the number indicate the year, while the second two indicate the month. My Speed Queen washer's serial number, for example, starts with 1702, which is February of 2017. However, I will warn you that most manufacturers will deny warranty coverage to anyone but the machine's original owner, so that's a factor to consider as well. The timer (part number 203387P) seems to run around $125 new online, with used ones priced at around $65.
Hope this helps,
Thatwasherguy.


Post# 1197833 , Reply# 2   1/24/2024 at 12:37 by flsq (Florida)        

Ok thanks. Looks like it's a 2023 model, month of Feb so it's still pretty new. I talked to the guy selling it and I asked why he didn't get it fixed. he said it's for his work at a rehab center that's it's easier for them to just sell it and get a new one. They already got a new one to replace it.

I imagine you're right about the timer since these machines are so simple, it's worth grabbing it and just buying a timer for it. Also plan on doing the water level switch conversion, would be worth it for an almost new commercial Speed Queen.


Post# 1197834 , Reply# 3   1/24/2024 at 12:54 by qsd-dan (West)        

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Dead timer (motor) in less than a year?

Might still be under warranty, give Speed Queen a call with the model and serial number in front of you.

Speed Queen better get their act together and source their timers from another manufacture. I have timers in machines from my collection that are still operational from when Kennedy was still president.


Post# 1197836 , Reply# 4   1/24/2024 at 13:25 by flsq (Florida)        

I called and their automated system said the warranty is good for over a thousand days still, whether or not it's transferable is the question but I'll find out. Maybe if can get the original purchase order form the guy that could help, I don't know, but I'll have to talk to an actual person.

I thought maybe the timer going out was a fluke but is it a common issue on newer speed queens or something?


Post# 1197837 , Reply# 5   1/24/2024 at 14:04 by qsd-dan (West)        

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Mechanical timers have been a pathetic joke for over 20 years across virtually all manufactures and it just keeps getting worse with each passing year. Nobody wants to sink the funds to produce a quality timer anymore.

Post# 1197838 , Reply# 6   1/24/2024 at 14:12 by flsq (Florida)        

Interesting, my current SQ was made in '08 so maybe I could just use the timer out of that one since I've had no problems with it lol.

Sounds like an easy enough fix tho, as long as i know what the issue is and the parts are available I'd still rather deal with that over a digital top loader.


Post# 1197840 , Reply# 7   1/24/2024 at 14:36 by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

For $380 I’d grab it before anyone else does or the guy changes his mind. Anything that could be wrong is repairable for far less than the cost of a brand new machine. Maybe you’ll get lucky with them covering it under warranty. I’d try and get the original purchase order like you said.

Post# 1197841 , Reply# 8   1/24/2024 at 14:43 by flsq (Florida)        

I told him I'd grab it tomorrow but he's not gonna be at the facility where it is until Sunday. I imagine most people are gonna be turned off by it because it says in the add it's broken basically. Unless a used appliance shop sees it or something I think I'll be good hopefully, I'm the fist one to say I want it so hopefully he holds up his end and gives me first dibs. We'll see, if I get my hands on it I'll post it here.

Post# 1197874 , Reply# 9   1/25/2024 at 10:59 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Bad mechanical timer on a speed washer

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This is not a common problem, but as Dan said timers are not what they used to be the electronic controls hold up much better on Speed Queen’s these days. You probably could take the timer or maybe the whole control panel from your 2008 machine and install it on this new machine if you like, Timers were not that great in 2008 either.

If this is a commercial model, you only have one year parts warranty on the parts, although, given the manufacturing age, Speed queen will probably send you a free timer.


Post# 1197894 , Reply# 10   1/25/2024 at 14:06 by flsq (Florida)        

Well the plan was once I get this one running right I'll recondition the one I have now and sell it, so probably won't be scalping any parts off it. Currently waiting to hear from SQ if the warranty is transferable or not, if not the wife doesn't feel to good about it lol

Post# 1197917 , Reply# 11   1/25/2024 at 21:50 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen laundry warranties

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The warranty is transferable. If the original purchaser registered it, we are a Speed Queen dealer we’ve done this for other customers

But as I mentioned, it’s a parts only warranty anyway, but the timer is relatively easy to replace.

John


Post# 1198223 , Reply# 12   1/29/2024 at 11:22 by flsq (Florida)        

Picked it up yesterday, ended up getting it for $320 cuz it has a little dent on the front so he discounted it because of that. We got to talking and he said it never worked right out of the box so it was barely used. Sounds like a dud timer was installed at the factory, seems plausible since what you guys are saying about the crappy timers these days. It wouldn't shock me if they issues where an entire lots were duds, and could very well be this serial number falls under a lot of bad timers or something. Anyway, here it is in all it's glory, brand new SQ commercial top loader for 300 bucks haha

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Post# 1198228 , Reply# 13   1/29/2024 at 11:40 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New Speed Queen commercial Toploader

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You got a very good deal on a virtually brand new machine, hook it up and confirm that it actually has a problem, if it seems like it needs something like a timer either buy one or call Speed Queen you can probably talk them into sending you a free one, since it’s still technically Barely a year old.

This machine had a one-year warranty on all parts, a three-year warranty on the transmission since it was a commercial model. There was no labor warranty whatsoever.

This machine will easily last 25 years if you use it about 10 loads a week, possibly a good deal longer, we installed eight of these in a condominium building where they get constant use almost around the clock. They’re going on eight years old only a few problems here and there. The condo building management estimates that they’re used between six and 10 times a day each. That means each one of these machines has already done over 20,000 loads and only a few of them have even needed a new belt, in full disclosure. We did have one where the transmission leaked oil badly and we ended up rebuilding that machine it’s still going strong.

While timers are occasionally a problem, there was no big problem with timers there was not a whole bad batch of them, etc. these eight machines in the condo building have mechanical timers into my knowledge only one of them has been changed.

John


Post# 1198234 , Reply# 14   1/29/2024 at 12:02 by qsd-dan (West)        

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I bet the the problem is just the timer motor, not the timer itself. You can remove the timer motor and bench test it with a test cord. Wouldn't even be surprised if the connection from the timer motor to the timer slipped off or weren't connected at all. Firmly push all the connections into the timer and timer motor, then recheck.

Post# 1198235 , Reply# 15   1/29/2024 at 12:33 by flsq (Florida)        

Ok, I'm gonna open up the back of it here soon to make sure everything is connected properly and then hook it up and run it, would be awesome if it's just a loose or disconnected wire on the timer. The guy I bought it from said he was originally gonna have it scraped cuz he didn't want to deal with it then thought better of it haha, good for me I guess!

Post# 1198253 , Reply# 16   1/29/2024 at 18:39 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Congrats! I got a new commercial model in the box for that price a couple of years ago. These kind of deals are definitely out there if you keep your eyes open.

Post# 1198340 , Reply# 17   1/31/2024 at 12:15 by flsq (Florida)        

So I took apart the control panel to see if there was anything obvious like a cut wire or something (see pics) but it all looks good. Also unplugged the timer and plugged back in, cuz why not who knows. Ran it trough a cycle, after it filled up it started washing and it gave me hope, but then it never stopped washing lol. I had to manually advance the rest of the cycles. So.....I guess it clearly needs a new timer assembly. The machine is already registered and still under warranty, so who should I call at SQ (service? warranty? customer service?) and how should I word this the best possible way so I can get them to send me a new timer?





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Post# 1198343 , Reply# 18   1/31/2024 at 13:09 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
As I suggested before

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Call the folks at Speed Queen in Wisconsin and ask them to send you a free timer. You might also be able to go to a local Speed Queen dealer and they will get you a timer if they’re willing in warranty.

You can also call an authorized Speed Queen dealer and they will get you a free timer, but you will have to pay for the service call and labor it’s up to you.

John


Post# 1198352 , Reply# 19   1/31/2024 at 15:42 by flsq (Florida)        

Well my hunch was correct, I called and they said they don't just send out parts to people so I wasn't surprised by that answer really lol. I have to have a service call done, I was given the numbers of a few places locally and he said everything should be covered since it's still in it's first year so we'll see what happens. Maybe I talked to the wrong person/department but that's why I asked in my previous post on how to go about it, but my guess is i'd get the same answer to anyone i talked to since I'm not a dealer or technician.

Post# 1199394 , Reply# 20   2/15/2024 at 20:21 by flsq (Florida)        

Just an update, it's being repaired under warranty within the week, the guy I talked to said the timers dying is common and went ahead and ordered the part before they even come out.

I want to do the water level control conversion as well and was going to use the variable pressure switch from my old one but I could not for the life of me get the knob off of it and damaged the switch trying to get it off so looks like I'm gonna have to buy a new one


Post# 1199398 , Reply# 21   2/15/2024 at 21:16 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Congrats and Good Luck

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When timer failed on my Miele washer so wanted to believe (or hope) it was just the motors, but alas not; timer itself was shot. Happily was able to find and install another so that's me for you.

Always wonder why people with basically brand new appliances don't bother having them serviced if warranty will cover costs.

In any event such things are boon to us collectors as one can often nab a basically NIB machine for comparatively little money.


Post# 1201023 , Reply# 22   3/7/2024 at 10:19 by flsq (Florida)        

Bit of a rant....The incompetence of some businesses astonishes me sometimes. The appliance repair place that was supposed to fix it ordered the wrong part. Then a week later ordered the wrong part again and just took me off their schedule probably thinking I wouldn't notice, so when i called asking when they would be here it was "Oh sorry there was a mistake we will be there tomorrow" which is today so I call again today to ask when they will be in. "Oh sorry the part is no longer available we ordered the wrong part again and didn't realize it"

Unbelievable. Trying to get ahold of Speed Queen again to find out if this is even true or not, but in the meantime I'm going to have to source a used timer to get this thing running correctly, so if anyone knows another good source for used parts (I will check ebay of course) that would be great cuz i'm not gonna wait around for SQ to get anymore if they NLA.


Post# 1201035 , Reply# 23   3/7/2024 at 12:56 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The timer is the item of question?  The Part Number isn't clear on your Photo #2 of Reply #17.  Parts diagrams indicate 203387P (or 203387).  Various online sources advise unavailable, out-of-stock, production delays, or backordered (one says expected in April).  There are currently five choices on eBay, four used and one new.

Alliance Laundry Systems doesn't say anything specific, allows it to be put into a shopping cart but that isn't a confirmation of availability.


Post# 1201039 , Reply# 24   3/7/2024 at 13:23 by flsq (Florida)        

Well I called SQ and they confirmed that the repair place was full of crap, that they had plenty of the correct timers available. SQ put me on hold and called them and got the run around worse than I did. The good news is the wonderful and understanding lady I talked to at SQ customer service felt sorry for me and agreed to just send me the part after i convinced her i could replace it myself without any issue.

All is well for now, but what a royal pain dealing with the repair place, how those people stay in business i have no clue.


Post# 1201064 , Reply# 25   3/7/2024 at 16:29 by qsd-dan (West)        
how those people stay in business i have no clue.

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Getting the run-around is becoming the norm just about everywhere. Quick to take your money, gigantic middle finger even if there's a legitimate problem.

I don't get those headaches pulling old machines out of the scrap pile ;)


Post# 1201070 , Reply# 26   3/7/2024 at 17:26 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen top load timer

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I’m glad they’re sending you the timer that’s what Speed Queen was supposed to do in the first place.

On premise laundry machines like your washer, do not have any labor warranty. The dealer you were dealing with was full of it. Maybe they discovered that they were not gonna get paid for the call and just told you they couldn’t get the part, who knows

But there is no labor warranty on that washer even if it’s two days old, you have to pay the labor if you talk to the right person at Speed Queen, they will send you the parts for that machine, the only thing they might ask, is for you to send the old one back if they were suspicious, they generally don’t.

I’m sorry you went through that, it might help to do a follow up letter to Speed Queen telling him the problems you had and that this company is not doing their reputation any good.

John


Post# 1201233 , Reply# 27   3/10/2024 at 10:18 by flsq (Florida)        

Well now I'm wondering if SQ is gonna do what they said, I was told I would get a confirmation email with tracking number for the part and I haven't gotten that yet. Getting tired of manually putting the timer through each cycle it's getting old and this should have been taken care of weeks ago.

Post# 1201257 , Reply# 28   3/10/2024 at 14:35 by flsq (Florida)        

Also unrelated to the timer issue, I leveled the machine as good as i could possibly get it but the tub keeps leaning towards the front of the machine quite a bit while in the washing and rinse cycles, should I be concerned about this?

When I transported the machine I had to lay it down in my car for it to fit and I did so on the front of the machine in case any water leaked out it did not get on any of the wiring. It was only in that position for about 45 minutes, but because now the tub leans in that direction I feel like I did something to it like mess up the springs or something.


Post# 1201265 , Reply# 29   3/10/2024 at 16:18 by qsd-dan (West)        

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Might have stretched the rear spring a bit. Usually these machines do the gangsta lean to right which generally centers itself during the spin cycle. Some adjust the feet slightly off center to compensate but make sure the tub is relatively centered during the spin cycle.

Just another reason I really like the Maytag helical suspension design. It's fully adjustable, even if it takes a few trial and error runs to get the clamping force adjusted correctly, then center the tub.


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Post# 1201504 , Reply# 30   3/14/2024 at 15:04 by flsq (Florida)        

Well this keeps getting better you can't make this crap up. So I never got a confirmation number or tracking number for the timer via email like the customer service rep said I would so I called to check and make sure the part was being sent. Come to find out the timer is on back order and there is no ETA on when there will be any available. The person I talked to this time said to wait three weeks and if the part hasn't arrived to call back and they would offer other options, like something about pro rating it and getting a different machine I guess, but they said after three weeks if there is still no part available they will do something what that something is exactly I'm not sure but i guess I'll find out. So apparently the service place was right about the part not being available.

Guess I'll see if I can find a used one for now, in the meantime it's back to manually putting the machine through the cycles which is proving to be a pain. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll get a new machine out of this stay tuned LOL


Post# 1201506 , Reply# 31   3/14/2024 at 15:16 by flsq (Florida)        

Looks like Alliance has new ones for $117 part number 203387P, how can Alliance have them but not SQ? This makes no sense to me.

I don't really want to buy one but who knows how long it will take to get one from SQ if I ever do. What would you guys do? Should i hold out and see what they will do to make it right? I don't know what kind of a pro rate they will give me towards a new machine but it might be worth finding out.


Post# 1201513 , Reply# 32   3/14/2024 at 17:01 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Aren’t Alliance and Speed Queen one and the same? I would call Speed Queen back, ask to speak with a supervisor and then give that person the info and link for where you found the timer available for $117.00 from Alliance. Then request that Speed Queen get the timer from THEIR company’s stock (Alliance) and send it to you post haste!

This kind of run around is really completely unacceptable. I know that to many members here Speed Queen is like the holy grail of washing machines, but really, how can anyone defend this kind of BS from any reputable company? If Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire or any other appliance company behaved this way I believe that the Speed Queen loyalists would have a cow over it. Speed Queen should be held to the same standard.

I wish you the best of luck in reaching and acceptable resolution.

Eddie


Post# 1201515 , Reply# 33   3/14/2024 at 17:02 by qsd-dan (West)        

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It really depends on your level of patience and persistence. You can keep haggling them until they finally give in, if you really want to play the game. However, you paid an extremely low price for a virtually new machine. Throwing in $120 for new timer would be worth my sanity.

If you REALLY want to work the system, purchase the new timer, install it, and keep haggling Speed Queen until they send you one. Immediately turn around and sell it for profit or just shelve it for the future.


Post# 1201518 , Reply# 34   3/14/2024 at 17:05 by kenc (SF Bay Area)        

Alliance IS SpeedQueen.
Same company.

My experience is that I was lied to by Alliance.


Post# 1201825 , Reply# 35   3/19/2024 at 11:37 by flsq (Florida)        

I called SQ back again asking why I can get a timer from Alliance and not them. They checked and confirmed alliance doesn't actually have them in stock, that it would be on order and who knows when you would get it. I actually kind of had that feeling since online it doesn't actually say "in stock" so I guess I'm not too surprised as I've had that exact thing happen to me before where I ordered a part thinking it's in stock and didn't get it until a few months later LOL

I guess at this point it's a waiting game, and if they don't have the part within 3 weeks I'll take them up on their pro rate offer and just get a new machine.



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