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Thread Number: 95217
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| Post# 1198579 2/4/2024 at 21:44 by concac (concac) | ||
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Hey guys Anyone have the pair? I'm about to toss 4500 at both of them and I want to make sure I'm making the right decision lol Thanks! | ||
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Post# 1198688 , Reply# 1 2/6/2024 at 17:27 by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I have the 7009 in white (purchased in Oct ‘23) and the non-steam version of the dryer. For reference, my prior set was the SQ 9-Series (purchased July ‘17), which was a top-loading washer.
I’ve had front-loaders as my daily driver since 1987, several sets were Frigidaire (both WCI and Electrolux versions) and a ‘15 Maytag. I love the washer and like the dryer. Mine are on the optional 8” risers for ease of loading/unloading. Cleaning results with the washer have been excellent. I do wash in 140 degree hot water frequently as all my kitchen, bath, and bed linens are white. I have softened water and the washer is 8 inches from the water heater, so getting a true hot wash is not a problem. SQ front-loaders do not have an internal water heater. My only gripe with the dryer is with the dryness sensor. The Frigidaire and Maytag dryers tended to shut off as soon as the load was dry, while the SQ—both the 9-Series and the one I have now—tends to run past the point the clothes are dry. Having said that, it dries clothes. Would have liked to have the steam function, but I took the dryer that was on the showroom floor. I’d recommend the pair. The other machine in play when I made the purchase back in October was the LG4000 and its companion dryer. The SQ is about 2 inches shallower than the LG and space in front of the pair in my apt building laundry area is so tight that I went with the SQ.
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Post# 1198700 , Reply# 2 2/6/2024 at 19:31 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 My only gripe with the dryer is with the dryness sensor. The Frigidaire and Maytag dryers tended to shut off as soon as the load was dry, while the SQ—both the 9-Series and the one I have now—tends to run past the point the clothes are dry.Reducing the dryness level by one step leaves the clothes damp vs. Normal/default being too dry? | ||
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Post# 1198751 , Reply# 3 2/7/2024 at 17:33 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Hi Glenn- I almost always choose the ‘Near Dry’ or ‘Timed Dry’ settings. I think the four automatic options are Damp, Less Dry, Near Dry, and Dry. The dryer tends to run long, especially with loads of mixed colors—shirts, lightweight slacks, that sort of thing—but Less Dry leaves them a little damp. I use the Timed Dry and the lowest temperature setting for those loads. They usually dry in about 40-45 minutes. I use the auto Near Dry for bedding and loads of kitchen & bath linens. Temps run pretty high in SQ dryers. The temp marked Medium seems equivalent to most brands’ High setting.
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Post# 1198752 , Reply# 4 2/7/2024 at 17:43 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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The 7009 Washer: I learned a couple of days ago that if you choose hot water in the Normal (Eco) cycle, you actually get hot water! The water level for the two rinses is extremely low, but all the spins ramp up very fast and the final spin is about 13 minutes long at 1200 rpm. I like the Heavy Soil option, which gives a 50-minute wash tumble. Plenty of time for either enzymes or oxygen bleaches to do their jobs on stains without having to use too heavy a dose of detergent. Despite the very low water level in the rinses, the load doesn’t smell of detergent at the end of the cycle, nor do fabrics feel stiff or scratchy coming out of the dryer. I’ve actually grown to like the Normal cycle a lot—especially for smaller loads, which tumble better in the low water levels.
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Post# 1198773 , Reply# 5 2/8/2024 at 01:19 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1199109 , Reply# 6 2/12/2024 at 05:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Hey Eugene
As you know us washer ppl like to keep up with the latest and greatest regardless if we need new machines or not.. As I'm waiting for my Duet to die (which could happen tomorrow or years from now) I had narrowed it down to an LG FL with turbo wash OR a SQ FL washer. My current Duet is 3.8 cu feet (if I remember correctly) which has always seemed really large to me.. I'm wondering if I would even notice the small difference in tub size? My water heater is pretty close.. Not as close as yours, but close enough. The boot area of your SQ... Is that easy to clean in the nooks and crannies? Watching videos it looks like it uses about as much water as my duet. I've gone so many trouble-free years with mine all of the current brands really make me paranoid.. At least I know with the SQ the likelihood of having trouble-free service is far greater than the rest...even though they may not have a perfect track record. | ||
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Post# 1199151 , Reply# 7 2/12/2024 at 17:13 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Hi Mark- While I love the SQ 7009 washer and like the companion dryer, it was my second choice to the LG4000 washer and its companion dryer. The SQ won because it is about 2” shallower than the LG and space in front of my pair is SO tight that those 2” made the difference. That, and the LGs would have to be ordered and the SQs were on the showroom floor, ready to go. Neither the washer nor the dryer are as sophisticated as the LGs, but that’s expected from machines that are basically laundromat machines. The LG’s balancing protocol is more effective than the SQ’s, although I haven’t had problems with it walking. Mine are on the 8” risers, which have rubber feet, and I’ve read a couple of times that having the washer on a pedestal actually reduces walking, which seems counterintuitive to me, but that opinion is out there online.
I really don’t think you’ll notice the very small difference in the capacity between a 3.8 cu. ft. drum and the SQ’s 3.5. My puffy, oversized queen-sized comforter fits comfortably. If I recall correctly my 2015 Maytag had a 4.5 cu. ft. drum and I really don’t miss the larger drum at all. If you use bleach, it dispenses right at the beginning of the first fill, which would be an annoyance had I not come up with using the Quick cycle as my bleaching cycle, followed by the Whites cycle. Having said that, if you’re willing to return to the washer after the first fill and add bleach to the dispenser, it will dispense in the first rinse. Maybe more brands of front-loaders do this nowadays, but when you press the pause button, it drains before unlocking the door. This means you can’t stop the washer and stick an instant read thermometer in there to check the water temp. I think charging $2100 for the dryer—mine is the version without the new steam feature, unfortunately—is way out of line. The sensor is pretty crude compared to the Frigidaire and Maytag dryers I’ve owned. I’m glad to have purchased a machine made in neighboring state Wisconsin. I like to “buy American”—although that term is not a cut & dried thing anymore. I read that most of the parts are made in the US, as well. I’m happy with the SQs—especially the washer—but if you want a quieter, more technologically sophisticated and far less expensive pair, then the LGs would be a good choice. | ||
| Post# 1199152 , Reply# 8 2/12/2024 at 17:48 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1199163 , Reply# 9 2/12/2024 at 21:33 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Speed Queen Laundry The last time I saw a pair of these was last year. I believe it was sometime in November or December. | ||
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Post# 1199164 , Reply# 10 2/12/2024 at 21:42 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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It cleans as well as the other front-loaders I’ve had. The default soil level for all cycles is medium, which is fine for lightly soiled loads and keeps cycle times fairly short. I generally use the max soil setting if loads have stains that haven’t been pretreated to give either enzyme cocktails or oxygen bleach more time to work.No complaints in the machine’s cleaning ability.
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| Post# 1199188 , Reply# 11 2/13/2024 at 06:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Oh yes... I forgot all about the bleach dispensing in the first fill.. My duet dispenses it in the first rinse..
If all the loads I wash... a white bleach load is the least... Usually if I have 5 loads of laundry, there is only ONE load that I use bleach in.. and I'm not sure if I even CARE if it dispenses in the first fill.. as long as I know there is some bleach. Growing up with whites in a TL washer we always put bleach in the first fill with the wash..(we never used the bleach dispenser) I'm not sure why. One thing my duet doesn't have is a prewash (which I've wanted to use many times of the years) but when I desperately need a prewash I have to do a separate first load usually the soak cycle..but that cycle ends then I have to come back and start the new load...whereas with prewash it all happens in one go... About the dryer - I've been able to completely erase the need for a matching brand/pair when it comes to washers and dryers out of my mind. To me, they are completely separate (as long as they are the same color) That price for that dryer is CRAZY! Standard Whirlpool dryers or rebadged are my favorite, even though I'm sure the build quality of the SQ dryer is probably better. I might change my mind but if I had to buy one right at this moment I think I'd go with SQ...but I've been known to change my mind so it still might be an LG. Whatever I get, my only MUST is that it's 27 inches wide and no wider.. so I can't get one of the monstrous 5.0 + cu feet ones.. Well, I could, but I need access behind my dryer | ||
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Post# 1199189 , Reply# 12 2/13/2024 at 07:27 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Best new front load washers
Good discussion going on here. The only comment I have is pedestals definitely increase stability problems. We have many more walking and vibration complaints when people have their front load washers on a pedestal. There’s no way having it up on a pedestal will increase stability. It’s just not possible or logical.
On service calls, I’ve often had to remove the pedestal when the machine is getting worn or the floor is not that stable. The pedestal gets removed and people have a lot less trouble. John | ||
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Post# 1199196 , Reply# 13 2/13/2024 at 11:19 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I think - might be completely wrong - but I think LGs 5 cuft offerings are normal width aswell, only the ones bigger than 5 cuft are wider. But don't quote me on that... | ||
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Post# 1199198 , Reply# 14 2/13/2024 at 11:36 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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 For most people it’s not the width of the LG FL’s, or any other of the newer FL’s that’s a problem it’s the DEPTH.
Anyone that has a dedicated laundry closet for their washer and dryer can’t accommodate machines that have a depth more than a conventional TL and still be able to close the doors on the laundry closet. Speed Queen is the only manufacture that still makes a full size (3.5 cu) FL that will fit into these closets.
Most households really don’t need these massive 4.5 cu FL’s, and the 2.4 cu FL’s aren’t quite large enough to accommodate larger items, like kingsize bedding. If all the other companies would still build and sell 3.5 cu FL’s they’e probably sell a lot more FL’s and manage to get people to move away from TL’s. If they put as much energy into looking into what the average buyer really needs and building these machines, instead to machines with 20 different cycles maybe they’d sell more FL’s. Not everyone can or wants to spend $2,000.00 plus on a Speed Queen FL.
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Post# 1199202 , Reply# 16 2/13/2024 at 12:47 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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bleach in the wash When we had the plastic GE growing up, we too added bleach in the wash during the whites. Specifically adding bleach, then laundry detergent, then clothes, then fabric softener. This post was last edited 02/13/2024 at 15:00 | ||
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Post# 1199204 , Reply# 17 2/13/2024 at 12:55 by appnut (TX) |
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My 5.0 cu. ft. LG washer and matching dryer are just under 27 inches wide. The dryer is slighly deeper than the washer also. I purposely did not get a pedestal for the washer because of the reasons John cited above. But I do have the dryer on a pedestal. John, I'm assuming even having a washer on the short little risers will potentially cause movement for a washer just as if it was on a full blown typical pedestal. I personally sit on a step stool in frobnt of the washer to remove the washed load to put in the dryer.
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| Post# 1199207 , Reply# 18 2/13/2024 at 13:27 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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My duet is on a pedestal...but my floor is one story concrete slab so it's always been very stable...but I'm not going to get a pedestal regardless for my next washer... Honestly, I will admit they are nice to have.. but I think I can do without it...
the reason I need the washer not to be any more than 27 inches wide is because I need to squeeze behind my dryer every 4 loads to clean the extra filter I have back there that keeps my vent run clean...which is another story. Before when I had my duet dryer..it was even easier for me to squeeze back there. When I got the new standard dryer it was wider than the duet dryer (slightly).. In a perfect world...SQ would offer real control FL washer then it would really match my dryer even more. LG used to offer a rear control too...now NONE of them do.
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Post# 1199209 , Reply# 19 2/13/2024 at 14:50 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Regarding modern FL washers
Not only should manufacturers offer them in the mid-range 3.5 cu. ft. size, they should sell more stripped-down versions, just a few basic cycles, no app, and no WiFi. I believe there's a sizable market for washers that just do the job without a lot of fanfare. For example, and FL version of my basic Whirlpool TL. Same size tub and same options, but an FL instead. Sell it for about $600, and a lot of people would buy that I'm sure. The problem with FL's in the modern world is that even the basic models are too flashy, and just too damn big, so they skip over a large share of the appliance market that just doesn't want "all that." So those people say screw it, and go buy another TL. How do I know? Because my thought pattern was pretty much exactly this.
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Post# 1199210 , Reply# 20 2/13/2024 at 14:55 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1199214 , Reply# 21 2/13/2024 at 16:20 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re:#19 Ryne, You took the words right outta my mouth, and very well said indeed! If they sold basic, bare bones, mid size FL’s like you’ve suggested they would be flying off the showroom floors. I’ve watched senior citizens in my age group looking at appliances in big box stores and spoken with many of them and for the most part they want no frills appliances. Today’s selection of appliances have way too many bells and whistles that most sensible folks just aren’t interested in.
Its a shame that Frigidaire stopped making the FL’s that they came out with in the late 90’s and sold until about 2010. They had 3.1 cu capacity which allowed the washing of large king size bedding with no problem whatsoever and they had simple controls allowing the user to select the wash temp and other options with the exception of water level which was determined automatically by the machine. I owned two of these FL’s and I’m sorry that I ever let them go. They got a bad rap due to the faulty use by many owners causing mold because they didn't leave the doors slightly ajar when not in use.
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Post# 1199219 , Reply# 23 2/13/2024 at 18:48 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re:#18 Mark, The Speed Queen dealer near me sells a rear control panel SQ FL. See the attached link.
HTH Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK | ||
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Post# 1199223 , Reply# 24 2/13/2024 at 19:40 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1199229 , Reply# 25 2/13/2024 at 21:09 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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I agree it would be nice if they made more of a midsize machine however a 2.4 ft.³ front load washer is plenty big enough to wash king size sheets and even a king size blanket, they will normally also wash queen size comforters. This is the size machine that used throughout most of the world And it does hold a big enough load when you compare a front load washer a top load washer a 2.4 ft.³ front load washer is it almost as big as a 5 ft.³ top load washer.
Laundry closets can present problems in some cases, but not all laundry closets are the same depth. I was working on us washer and dryer today and a 6 foot deep laundry closet. There’s no standard size, a Speed Queen top loader is actually deeper front to back than most of the basic whirlpool top loaders that are still being made for example, The Speed Queen front load washer with the rear control panel has been discontinued. You might find some in stock somewhere. I wish they still made it because you could also pair it with the less expensive rear control panel dryer. The link you provided Eddie reply number 23 has a lot of mistakes in it. They claim it’s 30 inches wide and 34 inches deep when it’s actually only 27 inches wide and 32 inches deep. They also say the machine with the rear control panel is stackable, lol. There are a lot of reasonably priced full-size front load washers in the US my cousin and Elkhart just got a pair of Amana machines for 644 each for example, don’t be turned off by all the settings and cycles and things it doesn’t cost anymore to put extra cycles on a machine and it doesn’t add anything to the complication or likelihood of a breakdown until you get into having dispenser systems, etc. it doesn’t hurt the reliability of the machines. Even Wi-Fi capable machines do not have more problems. You don’t have to connect them to Wi-Fi to use them either. | ||
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Post# 1199235 , Reply# 26 2/13/2024 at 21:56 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Sorry, I had no idea that the rear control panel SQ FL has been discontinued, thats the local SQ dealers mistake for listing it on their website, ditto the incorrect specs.
I can’t fit a washer in my laundry closet thats any deeper than 29” tops, the Amana FL which I had considered at one point is 31” deep and we wouldn’t be able to close the doors on the closet when the machines weren’t being used, which is a no go.
I was already aware that 2.4 cf FL’s would be adequate for all of our king size bedding except the bedspread and if our current washer bit the dust we may consider one of those for our next washer. I’ve done some research too. I still think that there is a market for a mid size capacity FL that currently is only being filled by SQ.
Eddie
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| Post# 1199237 , Reply# 27 2/13/2024 at 23:01 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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One beneficial thing with large drums is this:
Users would be much less likely to overload the machine.. I've figured out about how many dry clothes to add so that when they get wet there's lots of lift drop action....I can still add more clothes and it may not be considered overloaded...but the lift/drop action is reduced.... I guess I'm saying with larger drums you're almost always going to be assured of lift/drop action because the drums are so freaking huge. | ||
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Post# 1199250 , Reply# 28 2/14/2024 at 06:57 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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It’s basically impossible to overload a front loading washer
You can fill the drum completely with dry clothes on any front load washer and start the machine. It will not be overloaded
Now if you load it with sopping wet clothing, you can overload it or if you stop it and keep adding clothing but that is not recommended with any front load washer, and that could cause problems. In working on washing machines for the past 50 years, I’ve never seen a case where a customer overloaded a frontloading machine and caused any harm to the machine, a much greater problem is putting too little in the machine because it tends to increase vibration when the load is unbalanced. The good thing is modern machines with their electronic controls, do a very good job of monitoring vibration, and it tends to keep the machine from hurting itself. John | ||
| Post# 1199253 , Reply# 29 2/14/2024 at 07:49 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1199254 , Reply# 30 2/14/2024 at 08:07 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1199255 , Reply# 31 2/14/2024 at 10:09 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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massive tubs I can see if you had a large family or have a small army of people who need their laundry done. I'd still use common sense by sorting and using the proper cycle. | ||
| Post# 1199256 , Reply# 32 2/14/2024 at 10:11 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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No.. It wasn't the case...It was a case of pushing it in...and lots of puffyness filling the drum...and almost no amount of water would make it tamp down...so it was basically just rolling...so never tried that again. I CAN easily wash a king bedspread... it's when you're dealing with something puffy and king size that's a problem.. But I can wash puffy king mattress pads.. no issues. This is an overly PUFFY comforter...
I find the 75% full of dry clothes is what I go for... Not only does it seem to wash perfectly but the dryer can dry them perfectly... I've washed larger loads before and the dryer was too full...more wrinkling. Even still... I figure I'm doing in 3 loads what would probably be five or possibly six loads in a traditional top loader. | ||
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Post# 1199282 , Reply# 33 2/14/2024 at 17:38 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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It’s basically impossible to overload a front loading washer
Let me clarify, I’m talking about the danger of damage to the machine, you can overload any washing machine to the point where it will affect cleaning ability and rinsing ability however.
If you’re trying to wash extremely dirty things it’s always been good advice to load a little lighter, the big comforter that you put in the duet Mark would easily have cleaned itself even though it was rolling a ball. I mean, how did you wash it? You might even have to stop the machine and rearrange a time or two but it sure beats taking it to a laundromat. Hi Mark, you had mentioned that you may not buy a pedestal again when you have to ultimately replace your washer but if you’re handy at all, you can reuse the pedestal on almost any other 27 inch front load washer I know of six Speed Queen front load washers that we’ve installed on whirlpool duet pedestals it’s not that hard to do you just have to attach it firmly. John | ||
| Post# 1199313 , Reply# 34 2/14/2024 at 22:44 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
I think I'm interested in a SF7 for my grandfather's cabin if the Neptune didn't survive from the flood. When I found out today by how much the insurance will give to us for any losses, we'd probably have more than plenty to buy a SQ. Preferably in the black color because I'm not really a fan of the color white. We'll see though
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| Post# 1199336 , Reply# 35 2/15/2024 at 08:52 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Oh really??? That's good to know my pedestal would work with a SQ....But the ONLY reason I think I don't want a pedestal is because from now on I'm sticking with standard dryers... and since the dryer isn't on a pedestal... I think it would look better if the washer weren't on one either. I honestly don't think I'd mind bending down to get things in/out. I don't mind for the dryer..
I will say that it's definitely much more convenient having them on pedestals when it comes to loading/unloading. It's almost like a luxury having that extra height...When I replaced my duet dryer with a standard one... it was a little getting used to but it's not that bad really | ||
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