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Post# 1198874   2/9/2024 at 09:55 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi all.

I still have a Creda reversair tumble dryer, bought new in the early 1980's.

It still works like new; except, the ORIGINAL drive belt, finally snapped just yesterday.

Can anyone tell me where I may get a replacement?

Apart from it working perfectly well other than the belt, I'd REALLY hate to replace it, or worse still see it end up a scrap. Especially as to look at it, it still looks like new as well as still works like new ( albeit it would with a drive belt).

The snapped belt measures 1888mm, and is about 8mm wide. It has three v shaped ridges.


Can someone help me please?



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Post# 1198875 , Reply# 1   2/9/2024 at 09:59 by slpj (Kent)        

P.S.

The model number on the rear panel looks like

"27405". Possibly 37405, as the lable is a bit crinkled , but I think it's much more like 27405.

Thanks.



Post# 1198886 , Reply# 2   2/9/2024 at 12:18 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

We have used HADCO for parts for my Creda washing machine. Phone number 1-800-241-9152

I also have a phone number for Creda 1-800-800-2733, I do not know if we have ever used them.

I have no idea if HADCO is still in business or if your part is available. I believe that better auto supply stores have a belt measuring device where you can take a belt in and they can measure it to supply you with a replacement belt. Best of luck.

Post# 1198914 , Reply# 3   2/9/2024 at 18:12 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 1198946 , Reply# 4   2/10/2024 at 06:40 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi,

Thanks both.

No, unforunately those won't work, too long and wrong cross section..

Also, I'm uk based btw, so need a uk supply I think.

I'm wondering if I could get the correct length, even if it is too wide, perhaps I could split/cut the width to size. What I really need is some new old stock.




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Post# 1199018 , Reply# 5   2/11/2024 at 04:26 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi there.

Glad to see that your 37405 has still been doing its job, though sadly now needs a bit of a repair.

Your model is definitely 37405 and I think I have found a suitable belt on ebay.

Hope it helps.

Paul
ps if you don't have an ebay account - let me know.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO matchboxpaul's LINK on eBay


Post# 1199019 , Reply# 6   2/11/2024 at 04:42 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
p.p.s

 your machines model number is definitely listed in the linked belt, along with many other Creda models, along with the the other models of your machines range:

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Post# 1199023 , Reply# 7   2/11/2024 at 07:50 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi Paul,

Thank you very much. You're dead right. Model 37405. I took a picture and blew it up a bit.

And thanks too for locating the belt for me, and at such a very good price.

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Post# 1199024 , Reply# 8   2/11/2024 at 07:59 by slpj (Kent)        

Belt bought. Hopefully have it running again by next weekend.

A question.
What is the easiest way to fit the belt? As it was snapped, it just fell out of the bottom with the inspection cover removed.
It looks like I need to remove the front of the dryer, to feed the belt over the drum. Is that correct?

I don't suppose there's a strip down manual (pdf file) for it is there?

Post# 1199028 , Reply# 9   2/11/2024 at 10:19 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hopefully it will be suitable and do the job - fingers crossed!

Afraid I don't know the in's and out's of belt fitting to vintage Creda's - fairly good on their history, but useless with the practicality of repair. Hopefully someone else will be able to assist with that side of things.

Annoyingly, as far as I know, no Creda servicing info has ever surfaced sadly.

I'll nudge a couple of people and see if they can help.

Paul

Post# 1199029 , Reply# 10   2/11/2024 at 10:33 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

p.s your Creda 10700 says hello :-)

A Creda 10800 surfaced near James, which he was able to save and he then passed the 10700 on to me.
A replacement lid was provided for it, so it really looks the part now.

Once we move into spring and summer, it will undergo testing to see what winter has done to it (along with all the other machines) .....

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Post# 1199039 , Reply# 11   2/11/2024 at 13:06 by slpj (Kent)        

Brilliant.

My mother who it was bought new for, would be amazed and chuffed to see her old Creda 1000 looking so good, and so well cared for. 😊😊

Post# 1199040 , Reply# 12   2/11/2024 at 13:15 by slpj (Kent)        

The tumble dryer, used to sit on (stacked) the Creda 1000 in our kitchen in Streatham. After she died, I moved and took both with me, and stacked them in St Leonards east-sussex. Then I brought them to Kent, and only when the washing machine was beyond my abilities to get the parts and repair, did I let it go. I was very happy yhst someone wanted it renovate.

But I couldn't let the dryer go, because not only does it work so well, it just didn't feel right to sell it. And now with a new belt, it'll go on for a lot longer still.

It was either that, or buy a new dryer; probably a Meile, since that's what I replaced the Creda 1000 washing machine with.

Post# 1199054 , Reply# 13   2/11/2024 at 15:54 by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
fitting the belt.

 Hi,

I've distant memories of fitting these belts, and I'm sure your on the right lines with removing the front panel, slipping the belt over the drum, now I can't remember if you could then reassemble with the belt loose, then go in the lower panel and slip it over the motor and tensioner pullies or whether you go with the belt fully on motor and drum and during re assembly you had to work with the tension of the belt both on the drum and motor. Anyway definitely worth the effort and far easier than replacing the belt on a modern condenser dryer.

I seem to remember one frustration was lining up the exhaust tube that fits between the front filter chamber and the back panel.

Hopefully that may give you some confidence to get this lovely dryer working again.

All the best

Mathew

Post# 1199055 , Reply# 14   2/11/2024 at 16:58 by Sesteve (London, UK)        
Service info

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I was lucky enough to pick up some service information for Creda machines from around the time Hotpoint had taken them over. The information covers Creda designed machines - the dryer service info shows as Hotpoint Creda whereas the washing machine I’ve attached shows just Creda but all have the Creda address on them.

It doesn’t have your model number but I’ve attached the later model details as quite often these updates were more about cosmetic changes rather than engineering redesign so it might help.

As Mathew has pointed out, it looks like removing the front is the way to do it. Good luck and keep us posted

Steve

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Post# 1199104 , Reply# 15   2/12/2024 at 01:49 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi Mathew and Steve.

Thank you both very much for that information.
It seems I managed to guess along the right lines then lol.

Luckily my dryer is rear venting, so it looks like it will be less complicated to get the front off. But those exploded pictures, and list of instructions from the service manual, even though not identical to mine, make it much much easier to undrrstand what to do.

As soon as the new belt arrives, I get on and do it, and take plenty of pictures as I go; just in case they might be useful for someone else in future.

Thanks again.




Post# 1199141 , Reply# 16   2/12/2024 at 15:32 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hopefully the belt will be suitable and a successful rebuild result.

Keep us updated with how it goes.
Paul

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Post# 1199174 , Reply# 17   2/13/2024 at 01:19 by slpj (Kent)        

That's a great pamphlet Paul. I thik I remember it from when we chose/bought our 1000 and 37405 tumble dryer.

How does the sensamatic dryer work? Does it sense moisture and switch off when the the stuff is dry, rather than by the rotary timer switch?







Post# 1199262 , Reply# 18   2/14/2024 at 11:55 by slpj (Kent)        

Belt arrived.

Certainly looks the same so should do the job. Hopefully tomorrow.

Post# 1199342 , Reply# 19   2/15/2024 at 10:31 by slpj (Kent)        

New belt fitted. Quite an easy job which was a pleasant surprise.

Started at 10am.
Finished at 11:45am.(Same day😄).

Took top off.
Took base front trim off.
Took timer knob off.
Took timer knob trim off.
Took timer switch and plate out.
Took heat selector switch out.
Removed rear air duct screws.
Removed 4 front air duct srews from front cover.
Removed remaining front cover screws.
Removed front cover.
Removed air duct.
Fitted new belt.

Reassembled and tested.



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Post# 1199344 , Reply# 20   2/15/2024 at 10:44 by slpj (Kent)        

Finished.

Now I understand the front 'bearing'.
The front of the drum, runs on and is supported by, felt pads.

How do I upload a video?


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Post# 1199346 , Reply# 21   2/15/2024 at 10:53 by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)        

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Great job, Peter. Another vintage dryer lives to dry another day.

Videos can't be uploaded to this site. You can upload a video to YouTube and then post the link in this thread.

Mark

Post# 1199352 , Reply# 22   2/15/2024 at 11:55 by slpj (Kent)        

Ah thanks, I'll try dropbox then.

Here are 3 dropbox links , -- if they work.

www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/03...

www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/btes01cws...

www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mb9rk8yso...

Almost feels wrong to keep using it. Like it belongs in a museum.



Post# 1199353 , Reply# 23   2/15/2024 at 12:01 by slpj (Kent)        

BTW..

Thanks for the help chaps. I couldn't have done it without, and it may have to have been scrapped, which would have been terrible.

So thanks again.

Post# 1199489 , Reply# 24   2/17/2024 at 06:24 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Peter.

Thanks for updating us with the repair - so pleased that the belt was suitable and that you've got the dryer doing it's job again.
Quite the tear down to replace the belt and interesting to see how that range comes apart.

Also interesting is seeing the internal arrangement of the 37405 (and by default the 37406, 37415 and 37416). Always liked the filter behind the removable segment of the fascia.

Paul

Post# 1199493 , Reply# 25   2/17/2024 at 06:39 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
You asked about the 37406 Sensamatic ....

 .... somewhere about its construction there was a sensing rod/pad/area, but I have no idea where it was on the 37406.

Many years ago the late Gary Tibballs (electron1100) managed to save one of the drop down door Sensamatic prototype machines (I think its machine P12), from the range before your machine.

On this model (TD400A), there is a sensing rod applied to the front of the machine which, when the door is shut, sits in a aperture beneath the filter and door air vent. The air passes over it and the sensor detects the moisture - the load dries and when there is no moisture detected anymore, the machine turns off.

The machine is programmed, rather than timed - select your programme, press start and walk away and the machine will turn off, once no moisture is detected in the load.

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Post# 1199496 , Reply# 26   2/17/2024 at 06:43 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Other manufacturers build the sensor into one of the drum paddles, whilst others (Miele for example) designed an array of sensing pads into the door, which the drying load and air pass over.

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Post# 1199497 , Reply# 27   2/17/2024 at 06:47 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The 37406 was always rare to see out and about - I only ever saw that model in shops and, as far as I know, one has never surfaced on ebay and no one has managed to save one.

The replacement model (37416) was equally rare and although one of these has appeared on ebay (many moons ago), as with the 37406, none is saved.

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Post# 1199498 , Reply# 28   2/17/2024 at 06:51 by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
'..... .and it may have to have been scrapped ......'

 When the time comes, hopefully it would find a new home amongst us - but not for a while yet!

Thanks again for the photos of the repair.

Happy drying :-)
Paul

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Post# 1200134 , Reply# 29   2/25/2024 at 05:21 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi Paul,

Thanks for all that information. The Creda reversair I have, is quite simple then, in that the timer is just a mechanical clock I think, with a spring. You wind it up, and it counts down.

What I don't understand, is what causes the drum to reverse its direction of rotation. That happens independantly of the clock timer as it is counting down.

My crude guess, is that the large blue capicitor next to idler arms under the drum, is involved; thus creating some kind of 2nd timer circuit, that perhaps reverses polarity to the drum motor which stops momentaraily and resumes in reversed rotation.

If it packed up, I'd like to know how to fix it. I guess a first step anyway, would be that capicitor. But hopefully it won't pavk up. 😆

Anyway, it's been used properly since repair. Weather's so bad that plenty of clothes have been in the dryer. Lol.

Cheers.



Post# 1200155 , Reply# 30   2/25/2024 at 10:26 by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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Picture3 of your last set shows the back of the dryer and if you look above the heater there is a metal lever with a threaded screw and on there is I believe a small bakelite block which is also threaded that travels up and down the screw pressing the metal lever as it reaches the end. When it presses the lever it switches the motor direction

Post# 1200226 , Reply# 31   2/26/2024 at 06:21 by slpj (Kent)        

Thanks ozzie908.

I've just had a look at other pictures of that, and now I can see it.

Pretty clever in its simplicity. Next time I pull it out, I'll take the back off and inspect it for wear.

Thank you.

Post# 1200240 , Reply# 32   2/26/2024 at 11:07 by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Creda Reversair

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Great work Peter , good to see another vintage classic Creda saved from the scrap, also good to see the airflow venting box and how the airflow is directed up top and over back to vent out the hot air.

As hot air always rises it always seemed more logical to offer this concept, Creda certainly were ahead of the game with their products,

Thanks for sharing , Mike

Post# 1203337 , Reply# 33   4/13/2024 at 08:36 by dluc (Croydon)        

Interesting to read. I have a Creda/Electra 37276 3kg tumble dryer, very similar in appearance to the Creda Compact 3 in the pamphlet above, with a flap-opening action. Owned since 1980, it has suddenly stopped rotating and I suspect the belt has gone (but the bearings sounded OK before this happened). I can't figure out how to take off the casing (I have removed the obvious self-tappers). It looks one-piece, in contrast to more recent ones, which seem to have panels. Could anyone advise? Ideally, if someone has the service manual?

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Post# 1204440 , Reply# 34   5/2/2024 at 03:49 by slpj (Kent)        

Hi dluc,

Have you managed to get the belt replaced?.

Did you see the service manual above? It mught help you too.




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