Thread Number: 95314
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GE profile filter-flo |
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Post# 1199565   2/17/2024 at 19:25 (359 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What do we have here? Here's a video of a GE profile filter-flo. This is what they should've came up with. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
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Post# 1199578 , Reply# 1   2/17/2024 at 23:29 (359 days old) by tolivac ![]() |
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Like the older GE FF better than this one.Indexing tub,short ineffective agitator strokes and not much going on.The older rimflows were better,too. |
Post# 1199597 , Reply# 2   2/18/2024 at 08:05 (358 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I like the older GE filter-flo too. If they were gonna "upgrade" their wash system, they should've used stainless steel tubs like Speed Queen Laundry did. |
Post# 1199605 , Reply# 3   2/18/2024 at 10:41 (358 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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A great step in the right direction however still needs a long stroke transmission, steal outter tub, stabilized suspension, ect.
The world needs more people like this, I admire him is passion like converting the motor from 110 to 220 volt operation: If everyone was like me not one model T washer would have sold. |
Post# 1199619 , Reply# 4   2/18/2024 at 13:33 (358 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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How was he able to make a GE filter-flo out of this? I wish GE did something similar right from the beginning. But, who am I to tell them what to do? |
Post# 1199625 , Reply# 5   2/18/2024 at 14:45 (358 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199634 , Reply# 7   2/18/2024 at 16:58 (358 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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The model T was a business shareholder solution, not a customer solution. Filter Flo was simply about profit, having executives take what equity they could out of GE for their own retirement before the merde hit the fan. The plan was never to have GE perpetually remain #1.
Goal was to Build an ultra cheap washer that pretended to wash in order to get builders and landlords to hand over their cash while taking advantage of a once prestigious reputation. If everyone was like me 1) not a single model T sale would have ever been secured by a home owner. 2) 40 million renters and new home buyers would refuse to pay their rent or mortgage where a post FF washers is discovered demanding the builder or landlord take it off the premise for another brand. 3) Growing protests would probably break out being the straw (or rather 100 mile wide asteroid) which broke the camels back in the durability downfall of the appliance industry as a whole. The public at large may not sway GE directly, but when every builder and landlord (GE's primary customer base) begins demanding a resolution from GE, appliances offered by GE will undergo massive changes for the better. Executives, economists, governments and even psychologists would be mystified at how or why the simple introduction of a new washer model could bring about such a voracious revolution. You're not stupid for thinking FFs were ruined. Having needs met including dignity is not about ego, rather having essential human rights fulfilled. |
Post# 1199635 , Reply# 8   2/18/2024 at 17:05 (358 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199637 , Reply# 9   2/18/2024 at 17:11 (358 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1199645 , Reply# 10   2/18/2024 at 18:26 (358 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1199656 , Reply# 12   2/18/2024 at 22:16 (358 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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I know this: When I and my family would contact GE for parts in the 2000s their customer service bordered on social BDSM. You weren't even having the same conversation as them in any discussion. Something as simple as ordering a bake element "ok, we will need to schedule service for you then" when I tell them I just want to order a bake element they transfer me to the small appliance division. Call again parts division they tell me general division will first need to register my appliance. That division then refuses to acknowledge my order, then transfers me to finance. Call parts again they start telling me how self clean/ program the oven having nothing to do with anything I said. Call parts they immediately transfer to warranty. Call parts again they tell me my stove isn't registered and not under warranty when I didn't even mention the age or make of the oven lol. I told them I just need order a WB44X5099 bake element they transferred me again, and again. Each time they were either rude, dismissive or antagonistic. And all of them would have this tone of 'why are you wasting my time' When someone would admit to being wrong they would continue to remain pompous afterwards. And yes many of times they would literally start blaming me out of nowhere for any question or concern I had.
Clearly they were just being used as service decoys while trained to gaslight customers on the receiving end of corporate greed. Sadly it didn't entirely stop at GE. When their appliances began dropping like flies the rental offices would literally put the blame on the tenants. It appeared that GE literally told management that tenants were at fault based on what maintenance would tell me and others. Like putting dishes dirty in the dishwashers wasn't what it was intended for and it would cause the seals to leak? LOL. Laundry wasn't meant to be used daily. Lower refrigerator shelf was meant for bread only. Until maintenance brought a seriously beefed up assmebly to replace the paper tin one that would crack down the middle. Office would say softener was behind dryer fires. Impossible for the handle to break of the micro. I remember being in the rental office when a lady called saying her replaced 1 month ago GE garbage disposal was dead again. Lady in the office asked the manager "sigh, what do I tell her?" Manager says they aren't coming back to fix it again, but to word it in such a way where she thinks they will drop by down the road. Tenants would often call GE service on their own terms to avoid to runaround with property management or them deducting security deposit. It was not until 2010 that the property owners woke up and began placing Whirlpool appliances in the units. But not after tenants took blame for 10 years, wrote poor reviews about maintenance refusing to fix things and spending their own money. I could go on, I won't lol. Thanks for letting me rant and vent Jerome. GE truly wanted to wick up whatever they could from their past legacy. |
Post# 1199657 , Reply# 13   2/18/2024 at 23:07 (358 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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"Clearly they were just being used as service decoys while trained to gaslight customers on the receiving end of corporate greed."
You can thank Jack Welch for that transition. I see a lot of boomer bashing on the internet by millennials and gen z about modern day problems stemming from the past but the beginnings of it all from those in power went further back a generation or so (Jack Welch was NOT a boomer). The only thing I fault boomers is going along with the corrupt "system" that they were well aware of (and getting filthy rich in the making) instead of rebelling. Hopefully the younger generation will patch things up but I'm not holding my breath. |
Post# 1199669 , Reply# 14   2/19/2024 at 07:58 (357 days old) by combo52 ![]() |
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I’m guessing somebody added the filter flow system, this is a transmission washer not a Hydro wave machine. The tub does not index in these machines. It does jerk back-and-forth with the agitation but the tub never moves.
The filter flow system is not a very effective way of catching lint because the filter was moving. It just sifted the lint through the filter. The only thing you ever saw and it was pet hair, which is what led people to believe. They actually trapped a lot of pet hair. The T model washers were a huge improvement for GE every customer that we had that got one loved it compared to the old machine that they had to chase around the laundry room because of vibration problems. They also love the fact that they didn’t get the redeposited stuff on dark colored clothing, because of the neutral drain in the T models. The new T models did have some significant reliability problems however, the GE worked out over the next five years or so. John |
Post# 1199679 , Reply# 15   2/19/2024 at 11:15 (357 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Thank you for your time. Say what you need to say. Combo52, GE should've added the filter-flo to this lineup from the beginning. QSD Dan, I do blame Jack Welch for this wholeheartedly. He wanted filter-flo out of the pitcure because it was too god for customers. |
Post# 1199686 , Reply# 16   2/19/2024 at 11:59 (357 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Thank you Jerome for letting me speak, these things need to be said! I think Welch simply wanted the FF out of the picture because it took to much raw material to make and simply lasted way to long.
@Combo: IF you want a washer to stop walking across the floor put a milk stool suspension in it instead of hanging it off the cabinet. There is no suspension system that comes close to Speed Queen. |
Post# 1199689 , Reply# 17   2/19/2024 at 13:04 (357 days old) by combo52 ![]() |
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Post# 1199694 , Reply# 19   2/19/2024 at 14:02 (357 days old) by washerlover ![]() |
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Post# 1199695 , Reply# 20   2/19/2024 at 14:21 (357 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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@GSD-Dan: I think it came from the way the silent generation raised their kids- through behaviorism and corporal means- children to be seen but not heard- amalgamated in a world with a booming post war economy.
Children are excellent observers but horrible interrupters. Raising children through punitive means creates adults who 1) believe that force or violence via an omniscient authority is a problem solving technique 2) believe that all human behavior is shaped by motivation- ie all human behavior and its outcomes are consciously chosen by an individual person through hedonism. The post war economy and near unlimited freedom (back then) meant that people could earn their way to homes, cars, ect, have kids, learn, succeed, have leisure time and ultimately be happy through relatively easy effort with no boundaries or barriers in place when a sincere effort was exerted. The system worked very well for those who could. Result of the two factors being that boomers assume that any and all downfalls in this world are of an individuals own doing and not that of a failing system, discrimination, inequality, disease, disability, poverty, lagging skills or any other factor beyond an individual humans control. People are misinterpreted as just being lazy or choosing a certain "lifestyle choice". Leading to those making such inferences to live in a self centered and self applied world view. The solution to perceived world problems real or imagined is motivation and its science of applied behaviorism- a utopia through stimulus guided human behavior applied and determined by a central governing authority- which has directly influenced everything from economics, to business, to finance, to foreign policy, to education, to criminal justice, to psychology, to psychiatry, to medicine, to child development, to civics, to laws, to philosophy, to advertising, to culture, and absolutely everything in between. Of course since this fundamental basis is pertinently wrong things either get worse or don't change. End result being an entire generation and a society as a whole which assumes all observable outcomes besides their own are of an individuals own fault and that authority should never be questioned or challenged. Complete ignorance of civic duty which democracy was founded upon. Which is the epitome of ironic when freedom and dignity are what created all the prosperity civilization currently enjoys only to have the "greatest" minds of the boomer generation saying we must move beyond the very thing that gave them everything they have to live for. Hence where we are today with GE. |
Post# 1199697 , Reply# 21   2/19/2024 at 15:38 (357 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1199699 , Reply# 22   2/19/2024 at 16:04 (357 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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It’s interesting when people claim that today’s problems are because of such and such age demographic or generation, the reality is the seeds for everything that’s going on today were planted a long, long time ago.
Sometimes, I think it’s the Lost Generation and the generation that became before them (who knows what generation that was) that basically planted the seeds for the problems of the 21st century (I know, sort of contradicting myself a little). Since the Lost generation were horrible towards their silent generation, they didn’t know any better and couldn’t think for themselves. Then, the Silent generation started having kids of their own (raised gen x, though some of gen x had boomer parents) and unfortunately, repeated the mistakes their parents made. When Gen X started having kids of their own (my age demographic/generation), they decided enough is enough and were never going to be like their parents and would do all means necessary to protect their children from the dangers of the outside world and here we are. |
Post# 1199700 , Reply# 23   2/19/2024 at 16:38 (357 days old) by Ultramatic ![]() |
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Post# 1199718 , Reply# 25   2/19/2024 at 21:26 (357 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy ![]() |
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![]() CHETLATHAM:
A very ingenious assessment you have made on what's called Under New Management and as far as myself is concerned I don't have that option at my job to just resign or step down if ever make enough from what I do labouring for such companies...
(Or maybe in terms of what I am working for, that's a lot of doing without!)
-- Dave |
Post# 1199723 , Reply# 26   2/19/2024 at 22:06 (357 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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@Sean- forgive me, that would be my mistake. A bit of a Freudian slip, my mind is still on those GSD-500 through GSD2800 Potscrubbers from the 80s. I still think about them so that sometimes comes out in unwanted ways. My apologies.
@Dave: Right, because you are the only one who would step down if you acted upon it. If everyone at once stepped down or peacefully protested pay and work conditions would improve for the better for everyone involved. One or two people can be dismissed, hundreds and thousands can not. Its works like this with everything. Everyone has a civic duty to preserve the rights of everyone else regardless of what government/management/ect say. Anyway- my point is consumers let government, trends, consumer reports and manufacturers tell them what they ought to like, whats new, and what to buy. People are afraid to state or act on what they know to be incontrovertible deep down. If people shopped for no strings attached results instead of bling, we'd see the improvement of GE FF washers instead of its discontinuation. I think all top load washers should recirculate that water through a filter. I know I would love to have that feature in my Speed Queen from when I leave tissues in a coat pocket or a comforter explodes lol. Yes I wash comforters in TLs :) |
Post# 1199724 , Reply# 27   2/19/2024 at 22:11 (357 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199774 , Reply# 29   2/20/2024 at 15:07 (356 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() I'd love to know what GE did to their oil, I'm rather clueless in that regard. I agree GE should have either re-used or redesigned their transmission to be massive. Two improvements to the fitler flo would have been reducing the space between the inner and outer tubs and second bringing in a milk stool suspension like Speed Queen or Maytag Performa. GE could have purchased the Raytheon/Goodman design like Speed Queen did and improve the design to fix the seal/bearing problems.
You know, GE could have technically put the clutch and motor directly underneath the transmission making the ultimate Direct Drive design. That would have worked to but the cabinet might need to be a few inches taller to accommodate the pump and movement. |
Post# 1199815 , Reply# 31   2/20/2024 at 21:13 (356 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199820 , Reply# 32   2/20/2024 at 23:17 (356 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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How many SPM during agitation? What about spin? How many RPM? |
Post# 1199821 , Reply# 33   2/20/2024 at 23:41 (356 days old) by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1199834 , Reply# 34   2/21/2024 at 07:10 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Does it mention what oil GE used in their transmissions in the service manual of the T models? I would assume a cheapened watered down oil instead of reusing the GE filter-flo gear oil that was once used. |
Post# 1199839 , Reply# 35   2/21/2024 at 09:39 (355 days old) by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1199842 , Reply# 37   2/21/2024 at 10:19 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What did GE name their wash system in the service manual? |
Post# 1199845 , Reply# 38   2/21/2024 at 11:34 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Jerome, you might like this link if you have not seen it already, service manuals for the filter flo, model T and Hydrowave plus various GE FL washers:
www.uncleharrywizard.com/NephewCl...
And in a more perfect world the model T would have resembled this:
www.uncleharrywizard.com/NephewCl... |
Post# 1199849 , Reply# 39   2/21/2024 at 13:10 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Thank you Chet. In a perfect world, GE would explain the differences between the 2 lubricants that were used in their transmissions. |
Post# 1199852 , Reply# 40   2/21/2024 at 14:34 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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GE probably didn't put in the effort to explain because in GE's eyes the model T transmission was merely an "assembly" replaced as a whole. GE used to have rebuilding programs for their FF transmissions. FF transmission could be opened, repaired and put back into service. Model Ts were merely disposables. In fact most model Ts were scrapped rather than rebuilt or repaired.
But I will say this, I am kicking myself for not opening up a post FF transmission now. As they saying goes- know your enemy. I didn't care too at the time which I now regret. |
Post# 1199853 , Reply# 41   2/21/2024 at 14:37 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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If I could, I would like to compare the model t to the filter-flo based on their gear oil smell and thickness. I think GE wanted to water it down so their gears will rust. They should've added thick cut gears for reliability. |
Post# 1199855 , Reply# 42   2/21/2024 at 14:40 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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They should've left the motor all running at full speed while changing speeds through the clutch like GE did. I'd like the normal agitation to start slow for a few seconds, then jump to fast speed. |
Post# 1199856 , Reply# 43   2/21/2024 at 14:45 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() See if you can order a used transmission of ebay or a service tech hear can email you one. There are more than plenty to go around.
Regarding the two speed clutch I think it was a poor design. The speed shifters constantly broke off. Nearly every FF in the apartment scrap pile I saw had an inoperative slow speed. These were near BOL machines where the slow speed was built into the Permanent Press cycle. So anytime someone used PP the slow speed was engaged. Didn't take long for it to disappear.
Honestly- make all FFs single speed. If you want delicate wash action simply used a 2 piece agitator and the poly knit cycle. Or use the mini basket. |
Post# 1199865 , Reply# 44   2/21/2024 at 15:52 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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How do you think GE could've started the normal agitation looking back after the filter-flo was discontinued? I've had both GE pairs and they did get the clothes clean nonetheless. |
Post# 1199866 , Reply# 45   2/21/2024 at 16:03 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199869 , Reply# 46   2/21/2024 at 16:46 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Do you prefer a nice humming motor, or the high pitch shrieking it does on normal/fast on post filter-flos? |
Post# 1199877 , Reply# 47   2/21/2024 at 18:56 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199879 , Reply# 48   2/21/2024 at 19:01 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What do you think of the quality of both motors in each machine? What do you think of the new motors? Please tell me what you think of this article and feel free to analyze it and point out what's missing. Thank you. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1199884 , Reply# 49   2/21/2024 at 20:25 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Thank you for the article. Fascinating read, despite the blood pressure spike it gave me. Wow! To see a turd hyped up like that is just nauseating. Just wow. And they even shamelessly advertised it on national television LOL! There are claims that don't make much sense- my understanding is that GE laundry was selling more than Maytag with Maytag being a rather poor example to compete against in a number of ways. And of course down right lies- such as performance, being quiet and dependability. But to think GE could compete with luxury market is for me is laughable yet was shockingly accurate in reality to a sad extent. It goes to show you how many upscale buyers, even today are swayed by size and features vs durability and longevity and GE exploited that to the fullest. GE not only coned landlords but also upscale buyers. Love the reference to Disney too- the power of keeping people in a pesdo dream like state.
These quotes are also revealing. It shows how people shop and judge on superficiality vs the state of actual product or lack there of.
Very revealing article, an unfiltered look inside GE's mind. I can't thank you enough Jerome. |
Post# 1199890 , Reply# 51   2/21/2024 at 20:49 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Classic appeal to the personality type you're selling to. Get an upscale actor, with class, to recommend a certain type of washing machine and next thing you know every upscale housewife is incautiously searching for said washer in an appliance store equipped with prescriptive sales people to compel a successful sale.
You might not be stupid; but trust, fantasy and withholding pertinent information blinds.
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Post# 1199891 , Reply# 52   2/21/2024 at 20:58 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199902 , Reply# 54   2/21/2024 at 22:11 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199904 , Reply# 55   2/21/2024 at 23:22 (355 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What do you think of their motors? |
Post# 1199905 , Reply# 56   2/21/2024 at 23:55 (355 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1199916 , Reply# 57   2/22/2024 at 07:13 (354 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What about the sound of the motors when they run at normal/fast speed? What do you think of them? |
Post# 1199923 , Reply# 58   2/22/2024 at 09:16 (354 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy ![]() |
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GELaundry mentioning the hanging suspension:
Curious about that design and love seeing open cabinets revealing it... Wish I had even seen my grandma's Kmart General Electric's suspension but I was never over when she got her washer fixed so unfortunately I'd never seen a "naked" GE in real life... -- Dave |
Post# 1199924 , Reply# 59   2/22/2024 at 09:34 (354 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I remember when my dad opened up the GE from the front to check leaks. The whole assembly shook back and forth during agitation and you can hear the motor whirring like a screaming sound at normal/fast speed. The only saving grace was that the motor sat on a platform. |
Post# 1200705 , Reply# 60   3/3/2024 at 23:23 (344 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Perhaps the criminals at GE are still getting away with shoddy products. This is a crime! |
Post# 1200945 , Reply# 61   3/6/2024 at 09:48 (341 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Here's another article on the GE washer from 1995 which I believe goes more in depth. There is so much to unpack here. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1200961 , Reply# 62   3/6/2024 at 11:32 (341 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1200980 , Reply# 63   3/6/2024 at 15:38 (341 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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If there's a way I can send in the pdf, I can do that. |
Post# 1200991 , Reply# 64   3/6/2024 at 18:38 (341 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1200999 , Reply# 65   3/6/2024 at 20:03 (341 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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This deserves a lot of reactions. GE must've gone through a lot of cheapening to build these machines. They should've told us what lubricant was used. |
Post# 1201010 , Reply# 67   3/7/2024 at 04:47 (340 days old) by eronie ![]() |
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Jerome Another rant. |
Post# 1201018 , Reply# 68   3/7/2024 at 07:41 (340 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() @Eronie: Not a rant, Jerome sent me an article where GE explicitly talks about being tasked with building an ultra cheap washer in an unreasonable amount of time with outsourced parts. Everything we suspected all these years about the post FF washer is indeed real and its has now been confirmed.
GE actually wanted to outsource their laundry division entirely, but appliance executives thought it better to just make a new style of washer that met Welch's ideals.
"GE brings a new washer to life |
Post# 1201021 , Reply# 69   3/7/2024 at 09:34 (340 days old) by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1201029 , Reply# 71   3/7/2024 at 11:51 (340 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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If I'm ranting about these GE washers and dryers now, it's because it's well deserved especially years later. It is very well deserved. |
Post# 1201031 , Reply# 72   3/7/2024 at 11:59 (340 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1201032 , Reply# 73   3/7/2024 at 12:02 (340 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Jerome I honestly would have believed (and at one point half way did) that the filter flo was discontinued simply because it was to costly to build. But seeing how they wittingly put designed to fail components in mid 90s-2000s Potscrubbers tells me GE was about designed obsolescence and capitalizing off reputation rather than improving existing products.
@DADoES: Well, those meetings may be long over however what they set in motion is still going on this this day- every modern washer on the market excluding Speed Queen is LARPing a model T. Model T paved the pay for the modern appliance world. Nobody in the consumer market said anything about it so here we are today. |
Post# 1201038 , Reply# 74   3/7/2024 at 13:19 (340 days old) by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1201054 , Reply# 76   3/7/2024 at 15:02 (340 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1201056 , Reply# 77   3/7/2024 at 15:17 (340 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() The thing is I could buy Whirlpool, GE or Frigidaire as a whole. I could bring back the Maytag dependable care line or beef up the VMW design such that it could last double or triple its current design threshold. However most consumers will not see or understand- they don't care about whats inside mechanically. They will see competitor design #1 with more cycles, buttons and a larger tub while being 150 dollars cheaper- compared to #2 my 30 year commercial grade design with fewer features, smaller tub and $150 cost mark up. The consumer at face value will think 'why should I spend more money for fewer cycles? More money so I can only wash half the clothes per load? I hate doing laundry, even just one load, hence why I let it all pile up to the point I need a super capacity tub. That so called long life heavy duty whatever doesn't meet my anticipated needs'.
In the end my design would sell at least 1:100 under the most optimistic scenarios. No appliance dealer will keep a low selling washer that with a money shot straight up resembles something out of 1965 front of house. It will get moved back further reducing sales until the lineup is entirely pulled off the showroom and eventual offering dropped altogether.
This is exactly what happened to many good washers including the Maytag dependable care. IIRC Lowes, Circuit City, Best Buy, possibly even PCRichards IIRC did not even carry the DC on the show room floor; Sears and HD did however, but it was always off to some obscure back corner or one model sandwiched between Performas, Goodmans and Herrins. It was never front and center like at some local Maytag home appliance centers. Key word some. Actually half the Maytag home appliance centers I saw carried the dreaded slant front machines up front.
Consumers latched on to capacity, then features, then that which offered those things at the lowest cost. Cleanability too if taken into account through consumer reports to sales reps. No one stopped to think steel outter tub, repair records, years in existence, tub seals, number of moving parts, ect, ect.
Consumers voted the best designs out of existence simply because of capacity, cost and face value appeal. Manufacturers simply followed demand.
If we really wish to see the appliance industry change there has to be a grass roots movement whereby people actually realize what they're buying and stop spending money on chintzy machines. If everyone tomorrow began purchasing TC and TR Speed Queens the industry would change overnight. Whirlpool, GE, LG, Frigidaire, Samsung, ect would be forced to top Speed Queen. |
Post# 1201078 , Reply# 79   3/7/2024 at 18:53 (340 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1201084 , Reply# 80   3/7/2024 at 20:31 (340 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Even if I did have a super capacity washer, I'd use it properly. |
Post# 1201173 , Reply# 81   3/9/2024 at 08:39 (338 days old) by combo52 ![]() |
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Probably saved General Electric from exiting the laundry business. Altogether, GE was not doing that well with laundry, and needed to shake things up.
The.T model machines live up to expectations, except for some durability issues with the transmission and brake assembly, otherwise performed far better far less lining, better water extraction, and virtually no vibration compared to the filter, flows that you often had to chase around the laundry room. I had one customer that tied the cord in a tight knot, so when it started walking, it would just unplug itself, lol. GE is once again, becoming serious about laundry, and they have some darn good performing products, my only major concern is their front load machines are made in China and I’m not promoting buying Chinese products whenever possible as we still make the worlds best full-size laundry appliances here in the United States between whirlpool and Speed Queen there’s not much reason to buy anything else unless you need a compact laundry set up. John |
Post# 1201194 , Reply# 82   3/9/2024 at 19:23 (338 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1211595 , Reply# 84   8/8/2024 at 08:57 (186 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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The GE model T paved the way for these stupid Chinese knockoffs. |
Post# 1211624 , Reply# 85   8/8/2024 at 14:54 (186 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 1211626 , Reply# 86   8/8/2024 at 15:55 (186 days old) by simpsomatic ![]() |
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The flood gates opened and several wacko's have become nuisances |
Post# 1212304 , Reply# 88   8/16/2024 at 10:07 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() I'm sure there is something out there. I remember reading somewhere that Whirlpool turned to NASA's material development for the pads on their tripod suspension system but can't find the article/news source.
The direct drive system was truly the greatest advancement in laundry because it provided so much performance and longevity with so little material and with such great simplicity. It was also a truly serviceable design in every aspect down to the hinged control counsel. The DD design is like no other and I don't think anything has since been able to come even close. It does not match any other washer in existence before or after and truly is a new design not copied from anything else. The DD could easily have been in production for another 30 years. Wish it was, shame it isn't. IMO the DD design is still years ahead of anything ever produced, even to this day. |
Post# 1212320 , Reply# 90   8/16/2024 at 14:16 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() The DD was such success I doubt Whirlpool was remotely concerned about the model T. At this point all manufacturers, including Maytag, were moving to short/fast strokes. Now if Whirlpool heard the model T in 1975, I still doubt they would be all that concerned, the DD was and is nothing like anything ever created before. |
Post# 1212328 , Reply# 92   8/16/2024 at 15:50 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What size do you think Whirlpool's washer factory compared to GE's building 1 at appliance park be? |
Post# 1212334 , Reply# 93   8/16/2024 at 16:21 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() My opinion is that Whirlpool would not have cared either way. GE was nothing more than a side gig, a nich market, when compared to Whirlpool who was making most of the top load washers sold in the US. DDs were the most produced washer in history by a long shot. Model Ts were not a threat of any kind. |
Post# 1212336 , Reply# 94   8/16/2024 at 16:36 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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That may explain why Whirlpool's direct drives were on their greatest hits collection in the laundry world. |
Post# 1212339 , Reply# 95   8/16/2024 at 17:09 by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1212346 , Reply# 98   8/16/2024 at 17:38 by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1212355 , Reply# 99   8/16/2024 at 19:54 by simpsomatic ![]() |
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They should try Facebook or Face-time calls so they can look and talk to each other all day long instead of clogging up this website with their drivel |
Post# 1213752 , Reply# 101   9/3/2024 at 13:53 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I wish Jack Welch would've cared about how a washer and dryer should be built, instead of cheapening everything as we saw with the model T. |
Post# 1213753 , Reply# 102   9/3/2024 at 13:55 by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1213764 , Reply# 103   9/3/2024 at 16:37 by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Ehhh, people cared, especially those laid off from the company. GE/Jack Welch was trying to maximize profits.
Not sure if calling manufactures out on their junk/sketchy practices works anymore these days. Modern day refrigerators are a great example. All junk, people bitch by the millions, nothing changes. You'd think at least one manufacture would build a good solid unit 'cause everybody would flock them like moths to a bright light. |
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Post# 1213902 , Reply# 105   9/5/2024 at 13:55 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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There's no possible way that a GE model t could survive in a commercial environment. I could imagine its oil smelling and cabinets shaking as well as the transmission overworking itself to death. |
Post# 1213962 , Reply# 106   9/6/2024 at 00:12 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Jerome, GE actually pulled that sick joke on business owners and landlords. I'm not kidding. I remember around me when apartment complexes in 2008/2009 began phasing in hydrowaves to replace mid 80s coin op filter flos. The hydrowaves sucked, I remember on one a month old the front panel was popping off. that was painful to see, I could no longer look inside those laundry rooms.
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Post# 1214028 , Reply# 107   9/6/2024 at 23:28 by DaveAMKrayoGuy ![]() |
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Reply 105:
Well a commercial laundry environment supposedly didn't hurt this GE, and it didn't matter whether the "frisbee" lint filter was on it, or stolen for a sport... -- Dave CLICK HERE TO GO TO DaveAMKrayoGuy's LINK |
Post# 1214033 , Reply# 108   9/7/2024 at 01:28 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I’m getting to the point where I’m going to disregard ANY thread about anything GE, especially the Filter Flo washers and crappy models that replaced the Filter Flo machines in the 1990’s. GE never seemed to ‘get it’ with washers, had the Filter Flo washers that held 2 quarts of oil that would either spill onto the floor or destroy whatever was being washed when the top of the transmission corroded away, used a absurd amount of water which provided marginal rinsing, had a clutch that would fail when a 2 speed motor did the job perfectly fine.
To put it this way, GE Filter Flo washers are the Buick Dynaflow of the washer world, work well but aren’t efficient or have any major advantage over something else contemporary. Might sound like I am contradicting myself since I use older machines, but a Whirlpool or Kenmore belt drive washes and rinses better than a GE FF while using a little less water. Maytag of course uses less water too and probably rinses the same as a GE FF. |
Post# 1214041 , Reply# 109   9/7/2024 at 07:21 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() @Dave- Is that a BOL model without the Filter Flo feature or did they disable the filter flo for the filming of the commercial?
@Sean- Yes Whirlpools, Kenmores and Maytags often outperformed FFs in several categories and usually gave customer more for their money, however, what replaced the FF was absolutely a horrendous rip off. Had GE copied the Raytheon design or remastered the Goodman design I would not at all be unhappy with the discontinuation of FF design. I would not mind a modern Speed Queen washer, identical to as they are, with the GE/Hotpoint/RCA logos on them. In fact GE would have perfected the cycle sequences and made some really nice control panels to compliment them. |
Post# 1214056 , Reply# 110   9/7/2024 at 10:43 by DADoES ![]() |
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![]() Is that a BOL model without the Filter Flo feature or did they disable the filter flo for the filming of the commercial?The machine has three toggle switches (presumably speed, wash temp, rinse temp) and a rotary knob for water level, so it's not a BOL. The text above the timer apparently says "2 Speed Washer with Mini Wash" so recirculation is necessary for a Mini Basket to function. There's a recirculation port but no flow, so it's disabled. May be model WWA8350P per a PotD I have saved. It appears to be running on slow agitation speed. I'm surprised no one has thrown an alarm about it being overloaded ...
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Post# 1214065 , Reply# 112   9/7/2024 at 12:24 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Thank you for clarifying. Obviously not a Spotscrubber either, so I'm guessing they just clamped off the recirculation hose with some vise gripes:
The knob looked like a single cycle at first glance, so I assumed a potential BOL model.
Regarding the overloading that is certainly is LOL! I'm guessing due to the low resolution of CRTs it was intended to shows folks that clothes were indeed inside being washed with softened water.
Does anyone know why GE machines appeared so often in detergent adverts? Did GE pay advertisers or is it because GE appliances are budget priced? |
Post# 1214091 , Reply# 113   9/7/2024 at 19:16 by DADoES ![]() |
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![]() WWA8350P, if that's it, has three cycles: Normal, Perm Press/Poly Knit, Automatic Soak.
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Post# 1214109 , Reply# 114   9/8/2024 at 05:22 by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1214223 , Reply# 115   9/9/2024 at 13:33 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I had a GE that would agitat and soak twice if you had it set to 30 minute soak. It would continue with the rest of the regular cycle. |
Post# 1214236 , Reply# 116   9/9/2024 at 15:50 by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1214258 , Reply# 117   9/9/2024 at 19:58 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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It’s time to put this thread out to pasture, basically beating on a dead horse at this point.
I feel the same way, Jerome and Chetlaham, but honestly isn’t worth the time dwelling on the same subject over and over. It seems as though some people on this site really want to break the record for the amount of posts posted. Better to have quality posts, not quantity. |
Post# 1214259 , Reply# 118   9/9/2024 at 20:03 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1214263 , Reply# 119   9/9/2024 at 20:27 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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wwse3160aoww with matching dryer. |
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Post# 1214297 , Reply# 121   9/10/2024 at 07:25 by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Jerome, you had the good model, TOL!
Minus the model T aspect, I'm envious lol! This would have been so epic lovely on a Filter Flo, especially with a two speed motor.
I'm sorry that you had to experience this in Model T flavor, that was just twisted. Let me be the one to say I'm sorry you and your dad had to experience that.
Do you remember the model # of your filter flo? Or what cycles it had?
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Post# 1214314 , Reply# 122   9/10/2024 at 11:40 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1214319 , Reply# 123   9/10/2024 at 13:08 by DaveAMKrayoGuy ![]() |
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Post# 1214328 , Reply# 124   9/10/2024 at 15:27 by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1214332 , Reply# 125   9/10/2024 at 16:57 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1214351 , Reply# 127   9/10/2024 at 18:59 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1214684 , Reply# 128   9/13/2024 at 23:39 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I don't remember the model# of my filter-flo, but I do remember it had a minibasket and ramp activator. I remember the spin cycle you could clearly hear across the house at normal speed with a full load. |
Post# 1214839 , Reply# 129   9/15/2024 at 16:20 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1214946 , Reply# 131   9/16/2024 at 18:39 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I have no animosity towards anyone, but this is beginning to get kind of ridiculous. I can see someone going back to a thread of resurrecting or restoring a machine and documenting the tedious process, but when someone keeps on reviving just about every thread about a particular machine (GE FF and the crappy models that replaced them), it begins to get kind of old. Sure, I’ve revived a few threads regarding the Maytag HOH dryers but if there’s no interest, I just let it disappear into the abyss.
Jerome even kept on bugging me about my Whirlpool I acquired back in 2020 asking about making a full cycle video of it (that’s the Mark XII set in turquoise that surfaced back in 2019) when I literally had ZERO storage for a 30+ minute video at the time, just had enough for short video clips of it, that was it. Couldn’t make any videos of it anyways since I had it apart since one issue led to another and figured it was best to take care of things while it’s apart. Have it apart again as I type this, taking care of some more stuff while it’s apart, hopefully can have it up and running by the beginning of October sometime. I know people are anxious to see videos of a machine that’s not yet been seen or one seen in decades, but want to be sure everything is in working order before doing so. Would be kind of embarrassing to have it break down in the middle of a video. There’s a few others who kept on bugging me on YouTube about it but it’s here nor there. On the other hand, have lots and lots of videos posted of my Maytag A806, going to record more and add it to the ‘vault’. Once the Whirlpool is all back together and timer working (should work, but won’t know until I run it through the cycles), going to add those videos to the ‘vault’ as well, if I keep on recording videos at the rate I’ve been, there will be enough videos for the upcoming years twice a week. |
Post# 1215108 , Reply# 132   9/18/2024 at 20:26 by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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If you ask me, Whirlpool Corporation was a bigger offender. GE bastardized their own product. Whirlpool was far more stupid, as they destroyed not only everybody else's appliances, but then turned around and ruined their whole line of their own merchandise. I can understand buying out the competition, but they destroyed the quality of their own product line all of the way down the line. Just my opinion.
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