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Thread Number: 95420
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
How I Imagine a 2024 Maytag Helical |
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Post# 1200951 3/6/2024 at 10:46 by chetlaham  (United States) |
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 This is how I imagine a 2024 Maytag Helical washer. Mallory, Kingston or Singer EM timer, Stainless Steel tub, lint filter in agitator, choice of either straight van or load sense agitator, pitman transmission, quiet pak sound absorption, porcelain on steel top, long wash cycle to let HE detergents work, rear self leveling legs, full 10 year parts and labor warranty, 30+ year average life expectancy.
Cycle starting from Heavy Duty; normal, casual, delicate beginning at respected pauses; as follows:
Fill- 4 minutes {Heavy Duty}
Wash- 6 minutes
Pause- 4 minutes {Normal}
Wash- 6 minutes
Pause- 4 minutes {Casual}
Wash- 6 minutes
Pause- 4 minutes {Delicate}
Wash- 6 minutes
Pause- 30 seconds
Spin- 4 minutes {Rinse and Spin}
Spray Spin - 30 seconds
Spin- 2 minutes
Spray Spin 30 seconds
Spin- 2 minutes
Spray Spin- 30 seconds
Spin 7 minutes {Drain and Spin}
End
57 minutes heavy duty cycle, 47 minute normal, 37 minute casual.
What a random Maytag model from the 2024 lineup would look like:
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| Post# 1201009 , Reply# 1 3/7/2024 at 01:53 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
If Maytag didn’t bother with the Neptune machines or anything HE, they’d still be around to this very day. Definitely would square up the competition since if it was on the sales floor, that’s probably the machine people would gravitate towards. Since it would be the only thing that was selling along with being popular, competitors like Whirlpool and GE wouldn’t have a choice but to make a quality product since they’d loose a lot of sales to Maytag.
If the Maytag Helical was still around, probably would put some sort of motor in like the one Maytag Robert hot-rodded back in 2019 to meet the requirements along with allowing for a variation in agitation and spin speeds etc. | ||
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Post# 1201014 , Reply# 2 3/7/2024 at 07:04 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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to chetlaham Very well said! | ||
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Post# 1201017 , Reply# 3 3/7/2024 at 07:26 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Yup- or didn't try to make extra large capacity washers. It was all the performas, herrins, and other weird designs that caused word of mouth to get around as Maytag being "awful". I know because I heard the convos first hand in the early 2000s. Had Maytag kept their DC line while it would have kept the company small Maytag would being growing today since more people are gravitating toward the old school design today. | ||
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Post# 1201034 , Reply# 5 3/7/2024 at 12:30 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Well, Maytag was not far off from GE in making terrible market decisions. While I do not believe (or at least see any direct evidence) that Maytag wittingly wanted to capitalize off their reputation without giving anything in return like GE did, Maytag did try way to hard and way to short a time to take large amounts of business from Whirlpool. In doing so they did release a number of really reasonable washers but either didn't pre launch test them enough or cheapened them in hopes of being price competitive without sacrificing durability. Unfortunately both gambles backfired- the Neptunes molded while the non DCs began breaking down. The harm done to the business ultimately lead them being eaten up by Whirlpool.
But, if everyone was like me in the 2000s something would have happened. Everyone would be buying DCs and rejecting all other platforms to the point there wouldn't be enough supply to meet DC demand. Maytag would begin building DC factories while dropping all their now non selling non DC platforms. Plummeting WP DDs sales and a total flub in launching tech based advertisements defending the DD line would have resulted in Whirlpool having to invent their own DC line- the LEAP 2.0 but with dependability in mind. Others would soon follow. Whirlpool, GE and Frigidaire would soon realize discover just how hard it was going to be to build their own version of the helical drive washer. Along with mystique of what consumers were really seeing all of a sudden, going by in their imitation designs- and craving- a simple, indestructible design capable of lasting well over 30 years. | ||
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Post# 1201087 , Reply# 6 3/7/2024 at 20:33 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE t model If GE was going to make the t model, they should've beefed it up just like their filter-flos. | ||
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Post# 1201188 , Reply# 7 3/9/2024 at 18:06 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1201189 , Reply# 8 3/9/2024 at 18:10 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Tech Sheet Here is how the tech sheet would look for the 2024 model pictured above. Continuous advance timer. Timer may require detents so not to inadvertently start agitating with the tub empty of water. Drop on/Drop off concept to prolong contact life. Backup pressure switch for flood protection assurance. | ||
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Post# 1201193 , Reply# 9 3/9/2024 at 19:20 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Full Size Tech Sheet Pics | ||
| Post# 1201203 , Reply# 10 3/9/2024 at 21:02 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
"If Maytag didn’t bother with the Neptune machines or anything HE."
Ehhh, I don't quite agree with that. Front loaders were the future back then, as proven today. Where they miserably failed was R&Ding the flaws out of it before sending it down the assembly line. Towards the very end of its production, the Neptune washer (not the Samsung based ones) was a decently reliable product but the damage was done and reputation badly tarnished. They also kind of tarnished their reputation with the Norge design and MISERABLY failed with the Amana platform, which was a huge POS from beginning to end. Buying Chicago Pacific Corporation was another bonehead move. Realistically, the big 3 kind of went stupid around the same timeframe when they retired their decades old legacy designs or introduced new designs. Whirlpools Calypso washer was riddled with problems. GE's post filter flow washer (Model T) was a POS. The Hydrowave was a little better but not by much. They didn't hold up as well as the Filter Flo washers from their sturdy days of the 70's through mid 80's and cheapened by the 90's towards the end of their production. Even the Whirlpools DD washers had noisy transmissions from worn out tooling at the end of their production. I wouldn't trust any top loader made today except maybe TC based Speed Queen but their layout is just way too restrictive. I'd rather get an older machine with better flexibility and more options. Top loaders really just need to die out already, what's leftover now is either junk or restrictive. I bet most front loaders with a heater will easily outperform the TC based Speed Queen washer in all areas except for maybe keeping large amounts of dirt/mud in suspension. | ||
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Post# 1201204 , Reply# 11 3/9/2024 at 21:50 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Dan, you're preaching to the choir. :) The Neptunes were great performing machines no doubt about that. But as you said- they had their demons. Neptunes molding along with control board failures did them in.
I don't think the toploaders need to die out. Existing designs like the DC and DD were on their way to perfection- just like Speed Queen perfected the Goodman platform- all existing topload designs needed some small improvements and they would be rivaling front loads today. | ||
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Post# 1201205 , Reply# 12 3/9/2024 at 21:56 by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1201209 , Reply# 13 3/9/2024 at 22:42 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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"Existing designs like the DC and DD were on their way to perfection"
The DD's had their own set of problems. The motor couplers had a shorter lifespan than the belts in the Maytag DC and GE FF washers. The water pumps are kinda a weak. The agitator dogs have a very common failure rate. The neutral drain design was weak. They ARE known for shredding clothes at higher agitation speeds and if overloaded...which is the case for most washers but the fast OPMs of the lower fins would tear stuff up worse than other designs. They are easy to repair in most areas except the neutral drain kit which is sort of involved and expensive if not performed by the owner. | ||
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Post# 1201211 , Reply# 14 3/9/2024 at 22:58 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE belts If I'm not mistaken, GE used the same belts from the filter-flo as well as the ones that came after. | ||
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Post# 1201214 , Reply# 15 3/9/2024 at 23:08 by chetlaham (United States) |
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Right, though all that can be fixed through some re-engineering. Beefed up pump seals, motor coupler, agitator dogs, clutches and simply ditching the neutral drain would have taken an already brilliant design and pushed it to near DC status. Kenmore fixed the shredding but using low as a normal speed. DDs are great washers that could have lived on. Everyone who had one misses it when it was replaced. | ||
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Post# 1201220 , Reply# 16 3/10/2024 at 01:17 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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| Post# 1201227 , Reply# 17 3/10/2024 at 08:27 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1204842 , Reply# 19 5/7/2024 at 12:25 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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A big problem with the early years of front loaders is that they were not used properly in the US. Most know to leave the door ajar when not in use today but not then. Improper detergent use. Lack of a heater, especially in lower end models. I don't think the early designs had a cleaning cycle either. Of course, the cleaning cycle isn't needed when used properly but there's too much cold water brainwashing ingrained into the public to eliminate that need. Detergents have also progressed in the last 25 years.
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| Post# 1204847 , Reply# 20 5/7/2024 at 13:38 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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I’ve said it before on here and various facebook groups, Whirlpool dropped the ball once they discontinued the belt drives. While the DDs were cheaper to manufacture, the motor couplers had a high failure rate, agitator dogs have a high failure rate, neutral drain pack also high failure rate, spin clutch which is also failure prone. While the belt drives had their own issues such as the pump bearing locking up along with the wig wag plungers breaking, they could run a long, long time. The Achilles heel of the belt drives were the center post seals and bearings and outer tub, if Whirlpool beefed up those items, they’d be even more reliable. But it seems, the moronic bean counters at Whirlpool decided it was ‘too expensive’, well it’s more expensive when you loose sales once you turn off customers.
Belt drives certainly washed and rinsed better than the DDs when you used a lower sudsing detergent, that’s for sure. Direct drives will almost always need a second rinse selected if it’s available. | ||
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Post# 1204869 , Reply# 21 5/7/2024 at 17:08 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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to chetlaham I'd say the same for GE and Whirlpool who are their competitors. | ||
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