Thread Number: 95776
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
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Post# 1204163   4/27/2024 at 03:47 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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What dishwasher had or has the longest main wash cycle? Seeing GE dishwashers with a default 56 minute main wash got me thinking, excluding overnight wash cycles, how long has the main mainwash gotten? Also, how are these long cycles not etching dishware?
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Post# 1204166 , Reply# 1   4/27/2024 at 07:25 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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No etching? Low temps, chlorine & phosphate free detergents. Longest cycles? The longest Eco cycle over here is probably VZugs at up to 6:45h. Drying is probably most of that, but I guess that a good 3h might be main wash. |
Post# 1204167 , Reply# 2   4/27/2024 at 07:40 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1204175 , Reply# 3   4/27/2024 at 11:47 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Low temperature, low pump rpm means low energy usage. Long wash and soak times compensate to get required cleaning results. |
Post# 1204178 , Reply# 4   4/27/2024 at 12:11 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1204183 , Reply# 5   4/27/2024 at 13:36 by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1204420 , Reply# 8   5/1/2024 at 17:29 by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)   |   | |
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I have a newer GE portable made by Haier. When the HI TEMP wash is selected, the main wash is over 60 mins. Absolutely absurd. There’s no reason for that. I’ve opened the dishwasher up in its first pre rinse cycle and everything was totally clean, there’s no reason for it to run so incredibly long. It’s makers have no idea what their doing when it comes to programming the times on each cycle, if they actually had tested their own product they’d know an hour wash time is ridiculous. I always use the light wash which is under an hour long. This is the type of dishwasher that runs all arms at once.
Glad someone mentioned this because it’s been on my mind for so long, why are new dishwashers SO OVER PROGRAMMED!?? These machines run so long while spraying clean dishes, most dishwashers clean the dishes fully in the first ten-25 minutes. There is no need for them to run any longer than an hour. Pre rinse, wash, rinse and rinse. Done. Each pre wash should be 5 mins long, each main wash should be a good 15-20 mins long, and the final two rinses should be about ten minutes each, now that would be reasonable. My GE when set to the Sanitize cycle takes an hour long wash, then another hour and a half to sanitize. You are not gonna tell me it takes that long for it to heat up to sanitizing temperatures, it should be a half hour at most long but that is not what we have here with most new dishwashers. They run forever, and ever and ever, while cleaning already cleaned dishes that were cleaned in the first half hour of the cycle, the rest of the cycle is a waste of energy and water as far as I’m concerned. This is why I love to use my older Whirlpool power clean so much, it’s fast and extraordinarily efficient. No BS. I understand newer dishwashers are weaker, but still, but they can still clean a load of dishes in under an hour no doubt yet all these manufacturers are over programming every cycle just about. This is a dishwasher crisis and I’m glad someone mentioned this cause it’s about time we talk about these utterly ridiculous cycle times where dishwashers are over performing. |
Post# 1204578 , Reply# 9   5/3/2024 at 22:58 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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What is GE thinking? What do they think we're stupid? We know their tricks. Main wash cycles have gotten even longer due to puny pumps. I'm so glad my Kenmore by Bosch dishwasher has such a powerful spray pressure. |
Post# 1204606 , Reply# 10   5/4/2024 at 11:49 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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When GE added the fine filter to their 1970s design, they reduced the water charge to about 1.1 gallons and to compensate reduced the flow rate of the main wash arm. Coupled with literally plus sized wash arm holes (5 at the top, at least one at the bottom for the fine filter water sweeping) and a ridiculously fast rotation a 60 minute wash time was a given.
But- that pales in comparison to the their tall tub models which literally used a brushed motor IIRC 🤮 That is literally the definition of blatant obsolescence. You literally have wet rotor magnet pumps, you literally have sine wave AC at the incoming line, you literally have low cost VFDs at your disposal. Yet decide a tiny brush motor is somehow practical for a DW. I agree, like what were they thinking. |
Post# 1204633 , Reply# 12   5/4/2024 at 16:35 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1204658 , Reply# 13   5/4/2024 at 23:27 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I too like the spray pressure to be constant. Bosch has also done that before. Today's manufacturers are stupid! |
Post# 1204661 , Reply# 14   5/5/2024 at 00:12 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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They've forgotten the basis of electrotechnology at the key to its legendary monster smash success. Have the necessary information for rotation, induction and timing delivered from central location instead of produced within the appliance itself. Nothing is gained tossing out the timeless simplicity to then re-invent a much more complicated, expensive and trouble prone wheel. Its like blocking out the sun via a giant wall around a home, then trying to re-create the sun in a cold fusion reactor deliver its artificial light output through the same windows the sun would otherwise have shown through. |
Post# 1204725 , Reply# 15   5/5/2024 at 19:52 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I think GE dishwasher pumps are all wet magnetic rotor pumps. I've heard my dad's GE dishwasher running. It didn't have that whining noise. |
Post# 1204728 , Reply# 16   5/5/2024 at 20:02 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1204760 , Reply# 17   5/6/2024 at 09:57 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I believe the lower end models are and their hotpoint counterparts. |
Post# 1204808 , Reply# 18   5/6/2024 at 21:03 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1204829 , Reply# 19   5/7/2024 at 08:17 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Hey chetlaham, have you heard the latest GE dishwashers running? They have the electrical hum of the drain pump. |
Post# 1204902 , Reply# 20   5/7/2024 at 23:53 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I haven't heard a GE dishwasher recently. Modern appliances I tend to stay away from for the sake of my happiness lol. But if they are wet rotor pumps GE is back to taking at least one thing seriously. Across the line AC motors have the longest life expectancy, reliability and durability by far. About the only place brushed motors are practical is in hair dryers, mixers, drills and similar appliance/tools where the number of hours per year run time is limited. |
Post# 1204943 , Reply# 22   5/8/2024 at 13:15 by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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If you're happy with the KD-20, try finding another one. They're getting a bit tricky to locate now that most have been recycled but they're still out there. The portable ones generally have the least use/wear and can be modified to work in a stationary cabinet. Otherwise, you're stuck with a modern dishwasher that takes an average of 2 hours for a complete cycle.
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