Bosch Nexxt 800

Everybody's government does things slightly differently, but I do think the way the US goes about 'encouraging' compliance is not the most effective way of getting the population to want to do it.

As an example, here in Oz we also have 'star' ratings for energy and water usage as a means for consumers to get an idea of efficiency when looking at new machines. The labeling is compulsory, however, manufacturers choose which cycle they will use to comply with the label requirements.

They must do a 'warm' or 40c temperature wash on a 'cottons' cycle, but can choose an 'eco' option if they wish. These often use less water than a 'quick' or normal cycle. They can also do a 'cold' wash on the same cycle if they wish as the majority of Australians wash in cold. Of course the cycle is noted on the label too, but many people wouldn't bother looking at that. Not all cycles are created equal.

In addition, all machines have to pass a 'rinse' test to ensure that detergents are satisfactorily removed from washed items. This helps prevent excessive 'skimping' on water whilst ensuring that manufacturers do their utmost to keep the usage down.

Now....

When it comes to government encouraging manufacturers to make more frugal machines, ours doesn't. Instead it has left this process up to the population to control whilst doing several things to encourage it:

- local councils and/or state governments have provided a financial incentive to the home owner or tenant to connect 4 star rated (water efficiency) appliances. This has been as much as $200 per item.

- utility costs have increased. Reduce your usage and you prevent a higher bill.

Water and its usage in this country can be a very divisive topic. At the moment, most of suburban Australia has sufficient water, but that can change in a relatively short period of time. Until recently, Canberra, the capital, was on quite strict water restrictions (No fixed hoses or watering of lawns. No washing of cars etc....and that is only the middle out of 5 on a scale).

We live in one of the driest countries on earth and no city is immune from water restrictions. Some have them far more frequently than others. Often they last for years.

As a result, Australians are brought up with a strong respect for water usage and its subsequent conservation. It is instilled in us from birth. Little things such as turning the tap off when brushing teeth. Making sure taps don't drip. Hand watering gardens to minimise run-off. Washing cars on lawns to effectively water the lawn rather than the drive. Using a broom and not a hose to clean paths. Simple things grandparents globally would have done, most Australians still do.

We tend to be more:

'Do I have to use that much?'

rather than:

'I'm paying for it, so I'll use what I like!'

In some ways it is a carrot and stick approach - both financial. If you provide the power to the consumer to choose what they want and provide them the options to have what they want (including water hogs), over time, most will go down the road that GOVERNMENT wants them to travel. However, you do need to have a population that understands the need for it and has lived through it.

For us, water shortages confirm the need for frugality.


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Post# 660401 2/14/2013 at 23:30 (4,088 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes Hey Gang Ok I did my due-diligence and looked through the archives and didn't see my question/problem. Bought the pair last march or April. I am a huge advocate of front loaders, have used them all my adult life. I'm all for saving water etc. However, this set has just crossed the line on the skimpy, skimpy use of water! I don't care what you tell me, you cannot wash a load of towels in a thimble full of water. I never would have bought the set had I known it was a slant tub. Nothing in their literature says 'slant tub' unless I'm blind. (bought them online from a known dealer about 2hrs way) I have noticed my clothes are not as clean as they used to be. So I hooked up a Y connecter to the cold water and would just put the hose into the dispenser and fill it to the level I wanted. Pain in you-know-what, but I don't do it on every load. All my other machines have had the little pressure switch you could just turn the little screw and make the water lever what you want. I opened this monster up tonight, because I was/am going to sell them, but decided I would take a peak. The pressure switch has NINE screws in it!!! I know one is to change the pressure to add the water, but some Youtube vids on some Samsung's say that you have to do this one a little and then this one a little, if they don't match it will sense something wrong and drain the water. I don't know. Can anyone tell me which screws I need to turn?? If I can get the water level to where I want it (very bottom of the glass, enough to where I can still open the door at any time.) then I may keep them, otherwise it's on CL they go. Thanks! Laurent ps. Maybe the Matag Maxima series will have a easier switch to fiddle with??

Post# 660423 , Reply# 1 2/15/2013 at 02:12 (4,088 days old) by fido ()
Checkrate/Likes I've always thought it a very dubious practice to mess with pressure switch adjustments anyway. If I wanted to increase the water level I would try to increase the volume of the pressure vessel. I've never tried this so it might not work but one way I've thought of doing this is to fit an inline petrol filter in the hose to the pressure switch. Initially you could try the smaller motorcycle type and if the effect was too small you could try a car inline fuel filter.

Post# 660426 , Reply# 2 2/15/2013 at 03:23 (4,088 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)
Checkrate/Likes *Laurent* Did you find my thread on tweaking the Speed Queens? See the link, and can you post money shots of the switch on the Bosch? CLICK HERE TO GO TO Jetcone's LINK

Post# 660572 , Reply# 3 2/15/2013 at 22:39 (4,087 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes *Jetcone* No I didn't see your post. Never would have occurred to me to look for another make/model. I figured they where all different. I'm surprised this Bosch switch looks the way it does. I had the Axxis set and the switch was about half the size and no screws or anything to turn. That's probably why I've piddled around looking into this one. figured it would be the same.. I can't figure out how to unhook it from it's skimpy little thing it's attached to, other than just bend the darn thing up. Do the pixs help? While I was in there, I did see the little black tube from the hot water has a little Y connector into the cold line to dumb down the temp. THAT will be fixed right away! lol Thanks Jetcone! :) Laurent

Post# 660575 , Reply# 4 2/15/2013 at 22:48 (4,087 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes *Hi Fido* I'm not too nervous about the ones we have here in America on out machines. For years they had a simple round switch and you jammed a small screw driver into the screw and turned it until you were happy. Now a days, They are making them more complicated because of people like me who aren't happy with the water levels. lol As I responded to Jetcone, My Asko and Bosch Axxis had very complicated switches that I'm sure just worked internally with a diaphragm and either a two or three stage pressure system. I would NEVER (well...) open one of those. I'd be too afraid of getting is air tight after messing with it. I've never seen fuel filters before. Are they really that tiny? Those lines in the washer are pretty small. Would you unhook the line closest to the switch or closer to the tub? Thanks for info. :) Laurent

Post# 660583 , Reply# 5 2/15/2013 at 23:26 (4,087 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes *Jetcone* Ok, I followed all the links. So...the switches are the same in looks and holes, they just have the black screw and others in diff places. If I understand every thing correctly... On mine, I see the black screw. directly across from it (kinda hidden by the wires to the left, I'm going to turn the screw on the one that's hidden under all four wires. Then on the other side i'm going to turn the center one with the screw in, right next to the yellow thing. Turn them Each 6 to 10 turns and we should be good to go! (lol, I know, 1, 2 or 2 1/2 turns. (but doesn't 10 sound fun?!!) Did I get it right? Laurent

Post# 660593 , Reply# 6 2/16/2013 at 00:24 (4,087 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes *what a dummy!* I didn't post the pix!!! LOL

Post# 660594 , Reply# 7 2/16/2013 at 00:25 (4,087 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
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Post# 660614 , Reply# 8 2/16/2013 at 06:30 (4,087 days old) by fido ()
Checkrate/Likes The motorcycle filters will fit 1/4" hose so you should be able to push it on the ends of the existing hose. I found a metal and glass one that looks like it can be dismantled for cleaning. You might be able to discard the actual filter element as you only need a reservoir for air. I think I would mount it fairly near the pressure switch but make sure it won't bang against the tub during spin. CLICK HERE TO GO TO fido's LINK

Post# 660672 , Reply# 9 2/16/2013 at 13:53 (4,086 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi Fido, Is it supposed to fit INSIDE the hose? Or do you cut the line in half and and attach each end of the hose to each side of the filter? Would you have to clamp or glue each end so they stay attached to filter? This would be sooo much easier if they would just give us a REASONABLE amount of water to wash a load of darn towels. lol Does Hungary's government have water restrictions like we do in the US?

Post# 660705 , Reply# 10 2/16/2013 at 18:06 (4,086 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes *Laurent* Everybody's government does things slightly differently, but I do think the way the US goes about 'encouraging' compliance is not the most effective way of getting the population to want to do it. As an example, here in Oz we also have 'star' ratings for energy and water usage as a means for consumers to get an idea of efficiency when looking at new machines. The labeling is compulsory, however, manufacturers choose which cycle they will use to comply with the label requirements. They must do a 'warm' or 40c temperature wash on a 'cottons' cycle, but can choose an 'eco' option if they wish. These often use less water than a 'quick' or normal cycle. They can also do a 'cold' wash on the same cycle if they wish as the majority of Australians wash in cold. Of course the cycle is noted on the label too, but many people wouldn't bother looking at that. Not all cycles are created equal. In addition, all machines have to pass a 'rinse' test to ensure that detergents are satisfactorily removed from washed items. This helps prevent excessive 'skimping' on water whilst ensuring that manufacturers do their utmost to keep the usage down. Now.... When it comes to government encouraging manufacturers to make more frugal machines, ours doesn't. Instead it has left this process up to the population to control whilst doing several things to encourage it: - local councils and/or state governments have provided a financial incentive to the home owner or tenant to connect 4 star rated (water efficiency) appliances. This has been as much as $200 per item. - utility costs have increased. Reduce your usage and you prevent a higher bill. Water and its usage in this country can be a very divisive topic. At the moment, most of suburban Australia has sufficient water, but that can change in a relatively short period of time. Until recently, Canberra, the capital, was on quite strict water restrictions (No fixed hoses or watering of lawns. No washing of cars etc....and that is only the middle out of 5 on a scale). We live in one of the driest countries on earth and no city is immune from water restrictions. Some have them far more frequently than others. Often they last for years. As a result, Australians are brought up with a strong respect for water usage and its subsequent conservation. It is instilled in us from birth. Little things such as turning the tap off when brushing teeth. Making sure taps don't drip. Hand watering gardens to minimise run-off. Washing cars on lawns to effectively water the lawn rather than the drive. Using a broom and not a hose to clean paths. Simple things grandparents globally would have done, most Australians still do. We tend to be more: 'Do I have to use that much?' rather than: 'I'm paying for it, so I'll use what I like!' In some ways it is a carrot and stick approach - both financial. If you provide the power to the consumer to choose what they want and provide them the options to have what they want (including water hogs), over time, most will go down the road that GOVERNMENT wants them to travel. However, you do need to have a population that understands the need for it and has lived through it. For us, water shortages confirm the need for frugality.

Post# 660740 , Reply# 11 2/17/2013 at 02:22 (4,086 days old) by fido ()
Checkrate/Likes You would have to cut the hose or find an extra piece so it is easy to revert to the standard setup. It is the same size as used for car screen washers so an auto accessory place could sell you a length. Looking at your photo there is not much room so cutting may not be an option. The hose ends should be a tight enough push fit on the filter but you can put a thin cable tie round each joint if unsure. If it looks like it could kink you will need to make sure there is enough hose for any bends not to be too tight a radius.

Post# 660936 , Reply# 12 2/18/2013 at 13:40 (4,084 days old) by Soap-n-Suds ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi Fido, WOW. that all sounds very complicated for my skill levels! lol I think I will use your method for the cold fill line that crosses over into the hot line. Those hoses are right up top and that type of hose is readily available. For the switch, I'm gonna bite the bullet and turn the two screws. (that seems much less frighting) It's interesting with that dumb downed Hot water, that when it's done filling the tub, the display's "washing heating water" why dumb it down if you just going to heat it back up?!! Doesn't sound too economical to me. Plus, I'd rather pay the gas bill to heat the water, than the electric bill to heat the water. Gas is much cheaper that elec. Thanks for all your help Fido, I'll let you know how it all turns out. :) Laurent