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Thread Number: 45799
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Post# 669890 4/2/2013 at 11:56 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone  (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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 A 1956 GE Filter Flo goes back into service!
This excellent example is the machine I grew up with and came to me via Robert via Greg. As you will see in the diagnosis video she has the infamous GE Sympathetic Spin syndrome - considered by SOME as incurable-. She would spin out half her water from the tub on wash- no way to get clothes clean! Also you will see the condition of the pump another sore spot!
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Post# 669893 , Reply# 1 4/2/2013 at 12:07 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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So down to the Lab with | ||
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Post# 669895 , Reply# 2 4/2/2013 at 12:10 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The first thing is to crack the Transmission to get at the problem, there is a snubber inside which has wings. One direction it planes on the transmission oil for spin the other direction it dives down to contact the brake spring tang and brake to hold the tub during agitation. Here you can see the bottom removed and you are looking up into the tranny and can see the blonde snubber on the right. These gears haven't seen the light of day since 1956!
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Post# 669896 , Reply# 3 4/2/2013 at 12:12 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The base plate carries the brake spring and band. You can see the circular wear pattern under the brake tang, where the tub snubber has been pushing the brake lining around and around the center post. This is what generates "sympathetic spin". 
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Post# 669897 , Reply# 4 4/2/2013 at 12:15 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The problem with
GE' s of this vintage is the brake band - made of brake material- wears down so that it becomes so thin that the brake spring has nothing left to grip resulting in the machine going into as Larry at MODERN puts it- "Sympathetic Spin"!
Here you can compare the new brake band I had made up to the original and note the thickness. 
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Post# 669898 , Reply# 5 4/2/2013 at 12:23 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I found this
wonderful company down in CT who made these for me!
Timothy of TIMOTHY J. DORAN ALL FRICTIONS CO., LLC 131 FREESTONE AVE. PORTLAND, CT 06480-1819 PH.# 860-342-2001 FAX# 860-342-2084 INFO@ALLFRICTIONS.COM ALLFRICTIONS.COM I sent him the SM information and the base plate and part, He was able to fabricate perfect fit new brakes!! 
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Post# 669899 , Reply# 6 4/2/2013 at 12:23 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Here is the information | ||
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Post# 669901 , Reply# 7 4/2/2013 at 12:27 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Now the 1956 & 1957 and I believe maybe the 1959 models had the same tub brake system, but by 1960 GE had made a new system where the brake was moved from the center post to the outside perimeter of the tranny base. So I had not known this before I opened the tranny and got what I thought were the correct brake replacements from Larry. But these bands fit 1959 & 1960 machines and maybe later too I don't have Doctrine after 1957. The band you see in this picture is not for this machine 1956 ; but for the 1960! 
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Post# 669902 , Reply# 8 4/2/2013 at 12:28 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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So we have to | ||
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Post# 669903 , Reply# 9 4/2/2013 at 12:30 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Next the | ||
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Post# 669904 , Reply# 10 4/2/2013 at 12:32 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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To compare | ||
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Post# 669905 , Reply# 11 4/2/2013 at 12:35 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Now to recharge the tranny with 44 ozs of Royal Purple re-seal and then install back into the machine. As you can see I have also taken the time to paint the rim with 3M Extend to inhibit and block the surface rust from growing. A cure overnite and she is ready for her boot! 
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Post# 669906 , Reply# 12 4/2/2013 at 12:36 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Clean the tub | ||
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Post# 669907 , Reply# 13 4/2/2013 at 12:48 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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On assembling the machine | ||
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Post# 669908 , Reply# 14 4/2/2013 at 12:48 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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And outside | ||
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Post# 669909 , Reply# 15 4/2/2013 at 12:50 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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On assembling the machine | ||
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Post# 669911 , Reply# 16 4/2/2013 at 12:53 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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On assembling the machine tub gasket
I was able to procure new tub gasket material from McMaster-Carr, it works great but as I was working off of old closed cell foam someone had installed in the past I was working blind and as you will see I missed a gap on the back near the the fliter-flo flume. DONT MISS This spot otherwise you will have water GUSHING out the back of the machine right next to the timer! NOT A GOOD situation!
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Post# 669912 , Reply# 17 4/2/2013 at 12:55 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Here is a close up of the area I'm talking about. During spin the tub is CCW rotated [ much to Laundromats horror ] and water will mound up around the spinning tub and this gap is right in line with the wave of water!! If your pump is fast or your drain hose short you might get away with this but why would you?? It will release steam in wash to all the electrical parts if even if it doesn't shoot water on spin! 
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Post# 669914 , Reply# 18 4/2/2013 at 12:59 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The boot was in fantastic shape so i was able to reuse that , I had to rebuild the water valve and then adjust the water switch. And of course that old pump HAD to go!
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Post# 669915 , Reply# 19 4/2/2013 at 13:03 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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the top is designed to slide over the tub gasket sealing the tub, so you can't use closed cell foam like this to repair spin leaks , a valiant try by a another club member but she still leaked. As you can see the foam will get pushed aside in the sliding process. The only thing that will work is new rubber gasket mounted on the tank top edge. 
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Post# 669917 , Reply# 20 4/2/2013 at 13:07 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Here is a close up | ||
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Post# 669918 , Reply# 21 4/2/2013 at 13:08 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Top on!! | ||
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Post# 669919 , Reply# 22 4/2/2013 at 13:09 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Trim | ||
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Post# 669920 , Reply# 23 4/2/2013 at 13:13 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Trim | ||
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Post# 669921 , Reply# 24 4/2/2013 at 13:14 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Now its time to | ||
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Post# 669922 , Reply# 25 4/2/2013 at 13:17 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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And now the final test The dreaded water test! I tried it with water with success as you will see -- however there were "Doubting Thomases" who would NOT BELIEVE my success until THEY saw huge beach towels with water to put my work to the test. I'll let the video speak for itself....... This post was last edited 04/02/2013 at 17:17 | ||
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Post# 669923 , Reply# 26 4/2/2013 at 13:23 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The bitter flame of | ||
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Post# 669926 , Reply# 27 4/2/2013 at 13:28 (4,398 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 669929 , Reply# 28 4/2/2013 at 13:47 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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This job | ||
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Post# 669936 , Reply# 29 4/2/2013 at 13:56 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Love to help | ||
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wow Okay, this is cool on so many levels! Sort of a combination learning tool and video extravaganza. Thanks for the tips and eye candy. I cannot wait for Robert's response! | ||
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Post# 669944 , Reply# 31 4/2/2013 at 14:19 (4,398 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Very good work Jon, the inner tub looks in good nic and lovely colour...its great to see you can access parts manufacturers to get these beauties back in action!!
And, you very bad with Herr Webmeister - you know there will be payback at a time and place of his choosing!!! This post was last edited 04/02/2013 at 14:55 | ||
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Post# 669950 , Reply# 32 4/2/2013 at 14:30 (4,398 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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deep...deep...competition. 
ohhhh, is it! That's OK dear, I'll just go downstairs and treat my clothes to a gentle bounce off of nice soft Fiberglas. You should try that Jon, its really fun, ***pauses*** ohhhhh wait.
But anyways, I digress, wonderful transmission restoration Jon, I plan on doing the exact same thing. Why can't the 1960 part fit on the 1956 hub? They look very similar. 
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Post# 669960 , Reply# 33 4/2/2013 at 14:44 (4,398 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 669963 , Reply# 34 4/2/2013 at 14:49 (4,398 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Lol! | ||
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Post# 669964 , Reply# 35 4/2/2013 at 14:50 (4,398 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 669972 , Reply# 36 4/2/2013 at 15:23 (4,398 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
The dramatic pause before the spin, and 
The grand silence with the pitch black side screens and the ominous drip...... drip..... drip..... into the outer realms sent me back to those scenes in the "Alien."
Total freak-out! So so nice, finally, to see someone loading a machine correctly, in the vintage, classic way. Look Mom, no air pockets, no tangling, no unbalancing. All good agitators know exactly how to do this. What fun it is to watch their magic. Indeed, the smart Blackstone Corporation demanded this method of loading in their first automatic doctrines. Huge kudos to you, Jon. A sterling, striking performance with a percussive finale! BOOM! Thank you Cecil B. de Jetcone. | ||
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Post# 669993 , Reply# 38 4/2/2013 at 16:44 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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thank you all it was a near and dear project to say the least.
Robert the brake for the 1960 was moved out to the rim of the transmission and so was the spring/tang also moved out to the rim. And unlike the '56 brake band which you just snap on to the center hub grove, the '60 you have to glue in place with Plio-Bond before you reassemble.
The upper part of the tranny is the same but the baseplate is all new. | ||
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Post# 670052 , Reply# 39 4/2/2013 at 18:53 (4,398 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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 Nice, nice work Jon. I'm impressed that you went after getting new brake material crafted up!
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK | ||
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Post# 670089 , Reply# 40 4/2/2013 at 20:35 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Great Job Jon! Beautiful GE. I love the sound on your video. This is the type of sound I hear in my dreams when I am fooling with vintage appliances. I am sure it stems from my Childhood, sneaking to play with machines I should not have! Brent | ||
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Post# 670140 , Reply# 43 4/3/2013 at 02:38 (4,398 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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111 the fill flume which you can see in#15 extends over the rim into the tub and it fills to overflowing into the outer tub. In pic#12 you see the outer tub and tranny, at the bottom at the 6 o'clock position the large black disk is a rubber diaphragm with a weight sensor under it. The outer tub fills, and water presses down on the sensor until the weight triggers the water valve shut off and wash begins. However for small loads there is a water saver button you can hit and start wash at any level.
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Post# 670261 , Reply# 44 4/3/2013 at 14:11 (4,397 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Okay Safari is STUPID! | ||
| Post# 670272 , Reply# 45 4/3/2013 at 15:33 (4,397 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 670275 , Reply# 46 4/3/2013 at 15:43 (4,397 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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I hear ya 'bout Safari, but have a nagging question.
The Hear Ya:
Couldn't get the vids yesterday on Safari so I switched to Firefox where there was no problem, and where they are safely recorded for posterity. Have no fear. The Nagging Question: Obviously these early GE's can't overflow rinse, because of the the filter flo circulation, right. And it seems that lately, some of the older GE's we've seen do not spray rinse either, with only the perf tubs doing the spray. Is this the case? I only ask, and you may find this interesting, because: My sister's new TL GE with a mammoth tub will fill up all the way for wash and even for the rinse if you hit the right buzzer, but there's no spray any where, any time, and I thought, how cheap. But then it slowly occurred to me that some of these early machines were not spraying either. Yes or No, Father General ? | ||
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Post# 670286 , Reply# 47 4/3/2013 at 16:56 (4,397 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Mike, it may not be considered a true 'overflow rinse' but I think these solid tub GE Filter-Flos had water constantly flowing out from the top drain holes for recirculation through the filter pan. At least that's the impression I got from the literature I have on the '57 model.
Hubby had already generously volunteered to cut a hole in the side of the waiting-to-be-reborn GE in the garage so that I could say for sure, but I graciously declined his offer... I didn't see any mention of a spray-rinse in the cycle chart for the '57 model; I can't say for sure about the '56 but the perf-tub '63 does for sure! | ||
| Post# 670303 , Reply# 48 4/3/2013 at 18:07 (4,397 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Just so I'm clear. These early machines are wonderful and I'm not finding fault with them, more with myself for accusing the new GE's of being cheap, when in fact, some of the earlier models are working exactly like the new ones. No overflow, and no spray. but as you imply very generous recirculation on the early machines.
Hubby cutting holes. Too funny. Keep his saw away, lest he cut too far, accidentally. "Oh, Paul, I don't know WHAT happened. HONEST!!!" The outer tubs on GE's have always been so roomy and now the newer ones have pushed the inner tubs outward into that nice big space. Oh, the giant loads of towels could dry a herd of elephants. | ||
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Post# 670313 , Reply# 49 4/3/2013 at 19:27 (4,397 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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You guys are right
All the solid tub machines never had spray rinse. When I saw my first Kenmore do that at 8 I went back home and next spin cycle I hauled to drain hose out of the sink and sprayed it back on the clothes. My mother must have noticed cause right away she hollered down the basement stairs "what was i doing down there"??
Nosey mothers!! They're everywhere! Actually I still have yet to see a GE spray rinse. I guess Gregs' did it at N YEars when I turned it on but I wasn't there for the spin drain cycle so I missed that. | ||
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Classic washer boy story--loved it. | ||
| Post# 670322 , Reply# 51 4/3/2013 at 19:53 (4,397 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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and here | ||
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Post# 670430 , Reply# 52 4/4/2013 at 10:59 (4,396 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 670445 , Reply# 54 4/4/2013 at 12:03 (4,396 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Hmmm, you've given me a wicked idea, Jon: | ||
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Post# 670486 , Reply# 55 4/4/2013 at 17:46 (4,396 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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Jon, When do I get to play?????? Do you still want the gold ff??? | ||
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Post# 670520 , Reply# 56 4/4/2013 at 20:10 (4,396 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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YES JOHN! | ||
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Post# 670521 , Reply# 57 4/4/2013 at 20:12 (4,396 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Mikeyd | ||
| Post# 670541 , Reply# 58 4/4/2013 at 22:33 (4,396 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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and to be able to spell ENOUGH. LOL | ||
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Post# 670634 , Reply# 60 4/5/2013 at 10:48 (4,395 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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John Coldspot | ||
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Post# 673139 , Reply# 61 4/16/2013 at 08:37 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Oh John | ||
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Post# 673141 , Reply# 62 4/16/2013 at 08:37 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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money shot | ||
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Post# 673142 , Reply# 63 4/16/2013 at 08:38 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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virgin wash vid | ||
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Post# 673146 , Reply# 64 4/16/2013 at 08:56 (4,384 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 673156 , Reply# 65 4/16/2013 at 10:15 (4,384 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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Yay.....can't wait! When?????? | ||
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Post# 673158 , Reply# 66 4/16/2013 at 10:28 (4,384 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 673162 , Reply# 67 4/16/2013 at 10:45 (4,384 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 673173 , Reply# 68 4/16/2013 at 12:24 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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You'll be able to | ||
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Post# 673273 , Reply# 69 4/16/2013 at 20:49 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 673274 , Reply# 70 4/16/2013 at 20:51 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 673287 , Reply# 71 4/16/2013 at 21:43 (4,384 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Okay Kiddies
Once again sorry for the deleted posts, had to get the video correct!
Here is the virgin load in the 1956 GE, 11 minutes of wash action so go get some popcorn! Starts with spin after hot wash, you get to see most of the spin cycle, rinse fill, rinse, final spin dry coast. enjoy kiddies. The '56 really balls up the lint unlike the 1960, so this ball is from the wash and I'm gonna keep it there to see how large I can get it!! Stay tuned. Love the creeks this machine makes, just like my moms! | ||
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Post# 673292 , Reply# 72 4/16/2013 at 22:33 (4,384 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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GE! | ||
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Post# 673386 , Reply# 73 4/17/2013 at 07:41 (4,383 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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nope | ||
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Post# 673390 , Reply# 74 4/17/2013 at 07:55 (4,383 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 673409 , Reply# 75 4/17/2013 at 09:06 (4,383 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Greg | ||
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Post# 673751 , Reply# 76 4/18/2013 at 14:36 (4,382 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 674096 , Reply# 77 4/19/2013 at 23:27 (4,381 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
Nice! | ||
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Post# 674955 , Reply# 78 4/23/2013 at 12:35 (4,377 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Thanks Rich!! | ||
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