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"Miele" 410
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Post# 988877   3/30/2018 at 19:40 by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))        

Hello. I do have 2 curiosites about the "Miele" 410.
1) What is the rising speed?;
2) The "drawer" where you put the detergent is from plastic or from enameled metal? I've seen some filmings with this machine, I've seen that the lid is made from stainless steel, but I couldn't find any image good enough too see from what material the "drawer" is made. And seeing one for real... hard in my country. Maybe they where bought second hand in the '90's, but I don't remember to see something like an 410, 416, 420, 421, 505.

Post# 989436 , Reply# 1   4/4/2018 at 14:04 by askomiele (belgium)        
Miele 410

was produced during a few years. The same design was changed a little but was build between 1963-64 till 1975ish.

The drawer was made of a type of plastic, very thick and sturdy. There were 2 designs. The first one was a single compartment, only used during the first year of production of this series. Later they had a 2 compartment for pre and main wash detergent with a removable cup for fabric softener. If i find pictures, I will post them.

You were asking the "rinsing" speed. Guessing you mean the spin speed to dry the clothes? I think I read somewhere that the spin speed was fixed at 700 rpm. The wool and délicate programs did not spin during the cycle. The program ended with a rinse hold, the clothes where swimming in the last rinse water. There was a seperate spin program that emptied the tub and ramped up once or twice till 700 rpm.

If I can find additional info, i'll post it here.
BTW this is also my "dream" machine, but finding it is getting very hard.

Welcome here btw ^^

Post# 989437 , Reply# 2   4/4/2018 at 14:20 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Here's a video of a Miele 410. IIRC the bottom part is enamel indeed.

Post# 989438 , Reply# 3   4/4/2018 at 14:23 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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BTW, the spin speed of this early Miele is 420 rpm.

Post# 989443 , Reply# 4   4/4/2018 at 14:58 by askomiele (belgium)        
The early serie

Indeed. It depended on the model. You have a wide range of these 1950ties style of washer. Miele made them in all kinds, both with a fixed tub, bolted down or with shockabsorbers. They where available in standard single fase, three fase or even DC models. The spin speed was somewhere between 420 en 560 depending on a bolted or free standing model.

The machines i was referring to in my previous post where these...


Post# 989573 , Reply# 5   4/5/2018 at 16:13 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Ah yes, that series was a later one, after machines like the 410 and the 505.

Post# 989629 , Reply# 6   4/6/2018 at 04:56 by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))        

So the spining speed for "drying" the clothes was only 420 r.p.m.? Not 600-700?
That plastic was so good that it looked like metal (at least in the filmings).
I don't know if I can find one in Romania. My only chance it is that they where bought second-hand in the '90's and they wheren't all scraped.
If you will not find one, I will look for a little bit newer model, like 429, 430, 432, through all that they are not so spectacular and I don't like the way that you open the door (I want a handle!).

Thank you for the welcoming. It's good that for now I want only a machine. In Romania people passioned by vintage audio, real size or model trains are considered by a quite many people like some kind of freaks... if you collect old washing machines, probably...

Post# 989631 , Reply# 7   4/6/2018 at 05:20 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

I think the highest-spinning machine from the old vintage Miele series was the W421S, and that only went to 720rpm IIRC...

Post# 989665 , Reply# 8   4/6/2018 at 15:08 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, the spin speed of the 410 was indeed only 420 rpm. Early automatic washers didn't spin very fast. AEG had slow spinning machines too.

The spin speed of the 421S was 700 rpm, just like the 412S. IIRC, the last few models of the 421S had a newer motor that spun at 800 rpm, but I have no literature about it.

Post# 989766 , Reply# 9   4/7/2018 at 13:01 by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Durch langsam schleudern

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Yes, I remember when I was in school in Paris, the old Miele (my intro to the brand) in the dormitory Laundry didn't spin very fast so they had installed a much newer Miele Extractor that spun the bejesus out of the wash before you put it in the much, much newer Miele dryer (that reversed every 40 seconds or so). I'd still like to have a home laundry room set up like that.

Post# 990579 , Reply# 10   4/13/2018 at 14:02 by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))        

But you can still find spare parts for such machines? The plastic and rubber ones especially.

Post# 990604 , Reply# 11   4/13/2018 at 16:52 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I think it has become rather difficult to get parts for the 410 and the 505. For later machines like the 412(S) and the 421(S) it's already not easy anymore. But some collectors have built up a stack of parts. Question is will they sell parts to people who need them.

Post# 990694 , Reply# 12   4/14/2018 at 11:16 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

I read of someone with (I think) a 520 (which looks exactly the same as a 420) getting a NOS door boot from Miele in recent times...

Post# 990784 , Reply# 13   4/15/2018 at 06:09 by nokia2010 (Bucureşti, România (Bucharest, Romania))        

Boot or bought?
If the story is true, the company wanted to show that is friednly with the consumer and so it's worth buying from them.
The "Miele" store from Deva, Romania made 2 films with early - mid '70's "Miele" washing machines. Just for publicity probably, but still intresting.

Post# 990817 , Reply# 14   4/15/2018 at 12:11 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Boot, i.e. the rubber door-to-tub seal!

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