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Thread Number: 95654
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Introducing: 1982 Kenmore 70 Series Belt Drive In Harvest Gold!!!! |
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| Post# 1203039 , Reply# 1 4/8/2024 at 22:00 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1203040 , Reply# 2 4/8/2024 at 22:02 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Thanks Mel, first belt-drive for me to ever even see in-person, let alone it be the first one for me to own myself! Super stoked! | ||
| Post# 1203043 , Reply# 3 4/8/2024 at 22:07 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1203047 , Reply# 5 4/8/2024 at 23:56 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Wow! Now I know what to expect on your channel in the future :). Not sure what it’ll need, but you may want to take it apart to see what condition the outer tub is in. The outer tub on my ‘63 appeared to be in good shape when I first got it, but the more and more I started to take the machine apart, the more and more issues I began to discover. Ended up being a pinhole that was clogged with dirt, took it apart, cleaned everything as best as I could, used the JB Weld Steel-Stik which worked for awhile, but began to leak again in December of ‘21. Then it was decided I should jaunt have it welded for insurance purposes, so far it held up for ‘22 without a problem. Unfortunately, it’s been out of service due to timer issues and John mentioned he has one somewhere but it’s not too much of a priority but definitely plan on arranging something in the future.
Nice thing about these belt drives is there’s no pesky neutral drain pack to fail, also rinse a little better than the direct drives when careful with the detergent. If you find the matching dryer, you’d have a matching belt drive set. If it’s just a single temperature machine, would just put a low heat thermostat in it to be gentle on the machine itself. | ||
| Post# 1203052 , Reply# 7 4/9/2024 at 00:49 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Don’t know if this makes any difference or not, but I suspect lower end detergents tend to gum up which leads to build up on the outer tub surfaces, since detergent residue with the combination of dirt holds moisture in, it’ll eventually rot the metal tub out if it gets bad enough. The direct drives you made videos of have that very buildup I described. Since I dealt with rust issues on my Whirlpool, will only use Tide for now on as a precaution.
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| Post# 1203053 , Reply# 8 4/9/2024 at 01:05 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Good to know on the detergent Sean. Upon closer inspection of the transmission, there is a little bit of oil on the bottom of the housing. Could be a bad oil seal, maybe?
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| Post# 1203054 , Reply# 9 4/9/2024 at 01:22 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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I couldn't resist myself..... Dry test video: http://youtube.com/shorts/MESf1-d77lA?si=N2wRLt6X33fkmavq | ||
| Post# 1203055 , Reply# 10 4/9/2024 at 01:29 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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All belt drives have a tendency to have oil at the bottom of the housing after awhile. Even after I rebuilt the transmission on mine after thoroughly going through everything, has a little at the bottom of the houses well. Just how they are.
If you do decide to change the oil, you’ll need 75-90 gear oil. Technically the oil that came in these originally was 60 weight non detergent oil which is basically a gear oil but at the same time, a motor oil. Or the oil you used in your last direct drive transmission rebuild will work as well. | ||
| Post# 1203061 , Reply# 11 4/9/2024 at 06:28 by BlockEight88 (Northwest, IN) | ||
Stunning | ||
Post# 1203062 , Reply# 12 4/9/2024 at 06:37 by DaveAMKrayoGuy  (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 1203064 , Reply# 13 4/9/2024 at 07:45 by peteski50 (New York) |
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Kenmore! | ||
| Post# 1203072 , Reply# 15 4/9/2024 at 12:29 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1203102 , Reply# 16 4/9/2024 at 22:42 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Here some shots of it now as I'm cleaning the top of it. | ||
| Post# 1203103 , Reply# 17 4/9/2024 at 22:43 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Will this gasket still work?
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| Post# 1203108 , Reply# 18 4/10/2024 at 01:36 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Should work. Though, you may want to put a little 3M sealant or some sort of silicone sealant on it to help seal it. What I’ve happened on my Whirlpool is that gasket (different on mine, but serves the same purpose) wasn’t seated all the way and what happened is some water sloshed over the side of the tub and noticed some water on the floor, thought “here we go again with leaks from the outer tub”. Removed the inner tub, filled it with water and let it sit for a day. Didn’t notice any water on the floor, was stumped and thought “what in the heck is causing it to leak despite it not coming from the outer tub or any of the seals?”. Looked into it some more and realized it was the tub ring gasket that wasn’t sealed all the way. Re-seated it, and never had a problem after that. Belt drives are good machines, but certainly can have a mind of their own at times.
Btw, if you notice it’s not draining the water despite the control magnet assembly aka wig wag functioning properly and drain hose not kinked, it’s the water pump. The bearing has a tendency to seize and lock up, causing the pulley to free wheel on the pump shaft making it look like everything is working correctly. If you manage to remove the pulley, there should be a wick to add a few drops of oil. The older 4 port pump for sure has the wick you can add a few drops of oil to, along with being able to be rebuilt. If the tub gives you difficulty, you can do what John is doing in reply #6. That’s what I did on my Whirlpool a few times, used the spanner wrench, rocked the tub and used my foot to help hold the tub in place so it won’t move making to easier to remove the inner tub. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Maytag85's LINK | ||
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Post# 1203118 , Reply# 19 4/10/2024 at 05:37 by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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| Post# 1203125 , Reply# 20 4/10/2024 at 09:20 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Thanks Sean, once again for the info. Thanks Todd! | ||
| Post# 1203177 , Reply# 21 4/10/2024 at 19:21 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Water test: http://youtube.com/shorts/Hj9Op6Yu7KI?si=Ndrdb8hnafKdtm4v | ||
| Post# 1203179 , Reply# 22 4/10/2024 at 19:44 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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| Post# 1203184 , Reply# 24 4/10/2024 at 20:58 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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Pump leak?
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| Post# 1203185 , Reply# 25 4/10/2024 at 21:01 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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BTW, the other leak definitely is a tub leak of some sort, not just tub ring gasket related. Having sat with water for about 20-30 minutes, it still leaks from the bottom of the tub onto the baseplate. | ||
| Post# 1203186 , Reply# 26 4/10/2024 at 21:10 by BlockEight88 (Northwest, IN) | ||
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Leak | ||
| Post# 1203187 , Reply# 27 4/10/2024 at 21:17 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Those issues are definitely common for one of these machines of this age. To be put into regular service the center post seals, spin tube seal, tub seal, tub bolt seals, the manifold trap to tub seal, and water pump needs to be replaced. If the gearcase doesn’t have water in it it’s probably ok. If it was mid seventies and older I also at least change the oil in the gearcase. This machine has the potential to give many more years of service if properly rebuilt now.
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| Post# 1203190 , Reply# 28 4/10/2024 at 21:34 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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If it’s leaking above the base plate it could be: the tub seal, center post seals, rubber gaskets on the screws that hold the tub down to the base plate, air dome gasket or a crack in the air dome itself, last but not least is there could be pinholes in the outer tub.
If it’s leaking below the base plate it could be: the pump, rubber hoses, pump guard, drain hose. If the rubber hoses are leaking, you can use hose clams that you tighten with a nut driver or screw driver since the hose clamps that these originally came with have a mind of their own once they have been disturbed after many years. That’s what I did to mine 3 years ago. | ||
| Post# 1203191 , Reply# 29 4/10/2024 at 21:40 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Forgot to post this in reply #28. Did you fill it up with the garden hose or did you let it fill up from the inlet valve? Another possibility is the fill flume could be leaking. Not common to leak from there, but it is possible. Would even check the hose that goes from the inlet valve to the fill flume as well while you are checking over everything.
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| Post# 1203197 , Reply# 31 4/11/2024 at 00:34 by DDFan92 (Boise ID) | ||
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In other news, the main basket drive pulley sounds rough when running. Bearing failure maybe? | ||
| Post# 1203198 , Reply# 32 4/11/2024 at 01:03 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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The basket drive may need some oil added to it. Drummerboy had something similar happen to his Kenmore a while back and using some Zoom Spout helped correct that issue.
The tub seal and center post seals are the same as what was used on the direct drives. Even the older belt drives like my ‘63 use the same seals as well. | ||
| Post# 1203212 , Reply# 33 4/11/2024 at 10:20 by drummerboy928 (Illinois) | ||
I have a similar year 70 series Belt drive machine, and I had some similar problems to what you are having with it. I had a couple of pinhole leaks around the outer tub that caused it to leak out onto the base plate and drip down onto the floor. I ended up patching the outer tub and that fixed all of those problems for me, however I plan to take the outer tub out and replace or redo the whole thing again soon.
As for the main basket drive pulley, about two years ago mine started making a horrendous sound in agitation, as Sean mentioned in reply #32. I'll link the thread to it here in my reply, but after I reoiled it, I have not had another problem from it since. Hope this helps! - Henry CLICK HERE TO GO TO drummerboy928's LINK | ||
| Post# 1203240 , Reply# 34 4/11/2024 at 16:06 by dominic20 (Souix falls) | ||
nice | ||
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