The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 42000-7/14/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (KM dryer)
MESSAGE: You're right, Robert. I knew it was a 57 because of the copper trim on the timer. The 55 had a dark background on the timer dial and I believe the 53 and 54's had a bluish color.
Les
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Post# 42001-7/14/2004-10:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes, Roanoke is very close to the NC border! The Frigidaire dryer wasn't used much at all, and really is in mint condition. There are lots of clotheslines here in Roanoke and folks don't seem to use their dryers much except in the Winter. It was found at a used appliance repair/sales shop on the side of the road. I've scouted them all out and left my name and number with everyone that I can find. I call each one every two weeks and annoy them, but it pays off as you can see! Mark ps. to be honest, I can't even remember what is in those crates....I know they're washers and dryers that I bought from people and had crated and shipped to me but have no idea exactly what they are!
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Post# 42002-7/14/2004-10:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
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RE: WoW Mark!
MESSAGE: Hi Brent! Not sure of how many hookups but there will be quite a few. By the way, this is NOT the only collection! There's the console record player collection...(the earliest is a 1939 Bendix Aviation Radio and 78 player)....then there's the Christmas collection (electrical, early 1900's), the coffee pot collection.....and of course the dust collection which is what I have the most of! Mark
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Post# 42003-7/14/2004-10:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
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RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those machines are BEAUTIFUL!!! I don't think that I've seen machines in that great of shape in quite a while! Just BEAUTIFUL!!! Mark
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Post# 42004-7/14/2004-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures!)
MESSAGE: That is a very handsome collection of machines! Glad you got the picture loader to work for you! It seems to be a very nice set up both for loading and viewing.
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Post# 42005-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Mark, are you going to be living in Virginia all the time now, or will you still live in Florida sometimes too?
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Post# 42006-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those are all beautiful machines Trainguy! My, you have so many wonderful Frigidaires!
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Post# 42007-7/14/2004-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Tolivac do you belong to the VCCC? I know we have some members in NC and in fact one comes to our convention each year.
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Post# 42008-7/14/2004-11:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Jaune (sp?) I prefer electric over gas cooking overall, but I have heard others say that electric is better for baking too. I've done fine with both the pushbutton and rotary controls, but you do have more flexibility with the infinite rotary. I think the electric surface elements heat the bottom of the pan more evenly, and I've never had the issues with heat control that some people will describe (I think it's just all in what you get used to). I never had any specific results-related problems with a gas oven in my apartments, but they definitely heat the surrounding room less when in use and they're probably more dependable as far as holding proper temperature.
Sometimes here in the cold climate in winter if there is a lot of demand on gas, say for heating, the pressure will be low and it can be difficult to reach and maintain your oven setting.
Gas heating, water heating and drying are great (are there gas water heaters that have pilotless ignitions these days?), but I'll always prefer electric cooking and would pay to install a plug for it in a house that had none.
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Post# 42009-7/14/2004-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: Our 1965 built home came with a cement double tub in the basement. Our laundry was on the main floor but the tub was still installed in the basement and we used it for various utility things. One side had a metal washboard built into the side of it. I think that was toward the end of that era, the model homes I remember seeing after that usually had plastic tubs (or fiberglass whatever it is). Even then many were still double. As years went on you saw more single in main floor utility rooms and finished basement where the laundry part was smaller. I would want to have a double tub to facilitate use of a wringer or suds saver as I desire.
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Post# 42010-7/14/2004-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: A friend moved into a house about 5 years ago that had a very old pilot gas range, and in this case there was a hole in the center of the cooktop where the pilot light was apparently located (I'd never seen that sort of setup before or since). Anyway we got them all moved in and we ordered the obligatory pizza, and he set the box atop the stove. We're sitting in the next room eating our pizza and the alarm went off. Here's this pizza box ablaze on top of the stove! That stove has since been replaced with a pilotless model with a much better oven.
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Post# 42011-7/14/2004-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Well then it'll be just like a gift giving holiday when you go see what is in the boxes!
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Post# 42012-7/14/2004-12:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric gas vs electric oven correction)
MESSAGE: What I meant to say regarding heating of the room, is that I have less residual heat in the room using an electric oven than I do with gas, which is nice in warmer weather and when the air conditioning is running.
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Post# 42013-7/14/2004-12:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: That's THE dryer our neighbor had. It served the family thru a bendix bolt-down, then a Westy L11 (the match to JetCone's dryer he got a Bob Wirth's); the 1964 Signature washer. I think it MAY have even sat next to a 1971 Signature 18 lb. burp-up for a bit. This dryer was replaced by the charcoal Hotpoint Touch Command. I'm so glad to know it's a 1955. The owner was very unhappy with it for a while, the auto gas ignitor was a habitual problem. But once Whirlpool/Sears got it worked out, it served them faithfully. I haven't read the follow-up posts to this, but friends in Dallas had the matching washer that had a recirculating filter. So, ??? could it have been a 1958?
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Post# 42014-7/14/2004-12:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: Bob, I think I got lost. They replaced this dryer with a Hotpoint touch command, but they may have still had the Sears in 1971? Doesn't sound like any of their washers lasted very long. Did you follow the dryer through two families or am I just having a blonde moment? LOL
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Post# 42015-7/14/2004-12:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: No you didn't get lost of have a blonde moment. Just one housewife. The Hotpoint dryer was one that was given to my neighbor by her sister when her sister's mathcing Hotpoint washer died. She wanted a new matched set and wanted her syster to have a more modern dryer LOL. The Hotpoint was replaced by center-dial late 1970s or early 1980s Kenmore dryer with timed dry. When the 18-pound Signature died, it was replaced with a 1969 or 1970 Maytag 2-speed washer with std. capacity blue tub and a PP cycle. These laundry machines are still used today, have been maintained by one of her sons. (She got the Maytag cuz she'd always wanted a Maytag).
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Post# 42016-7/14/2004-13:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I will be living in Virginia and only going to Florida when I absolutely have to....
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Post# 42017-7/14/2004-13:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: So was the model line "split" so that some models looked like 55's and some looked like 57 LK's?
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Post# 42018-7/14/2004-14:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
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RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: I believe so because I think Sears discontinued the "frogeye" design sometime in 57 and began using the same basic control panel on the cyclafabrics as they did on the TOL LKs. The last of the frogeyes had the copper colored timer dial as opposed to the earlier bluish & black ones.
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Post# 42019-7/14/2004-15:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Spelling is correct :-)
Since it doesn't get very cold here, there is never a problem with low gas pressure.
I must admit, I do like the "instant control" of a gas burner, but one learns to compensate for that when cooking on electric.
I learned to cook on Granny's early 50's Frigidaire range that had only 5 fixed settings on a rotary dial, High, Medium High, Medium Low, Low, & Simmer (how many pushbutton settings did GE/Hotpoint have?)
I do remember Granny mentioning liking that the kitchen didn't get as hot with an electric range.
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Post# 42020-7/14/2004-15:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: I've seen those concrete laundry tubs, but most of them around here in older homes were porcelain cast iron.
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Post# 42021-7/14/2004-15:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: GE to my memory typically had Hi, 2, 3, Lo, Warm (and off) so they also had 5 settings. I'm guessing Hotpoint was probably similar. I'd forgotten the earlier Frigidaires had preset settings.
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Post# 42022-7/14/2004-15:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Gas is the bomb when it comes to cooking. I love the ability to control how much fire I need and not have to guess where to set the knob.
I've cooked on my mom's electric stove on the back porch and it drove me nuts. I wanted to kick it because my gumbo boiled over even when I turned it down. Gas stove, fire goes down and everything's under control :-)
For baking I'd prefer electric, which really is faster to heat up. For heating, definitely gas. It might be just me but for some reason, feeling warmth from a fire is much more comforting and soothing than being warmed by something electric.
Yes, there are pilotless heaters. My parents have a Lennox system that sounds like the old Kenmore gas dryers when they start up. It has a spark ignitor.
Water heaters, dryers: GAS GAS GAS
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Post# 42023-7/14/2004-15:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I grew up with gas cooking as well but quickly got used to electric once I had my own house. There are good and bad things about both types of fuel but prefer electric overall. I find it's far more efficient, less heat energy is lost around the pan, more accurate to attain and maintain a given cooking temperature and no combustion odor & less humidity in the kitchen/house. The ovens are definitely more accurate. I had a low-end Hotpoint gas range in a condo and hated that range more than any other I've used - slow burners and the worst oven ever made! I will say that it did take some practice learning how the two fuels differ and adjusting cooking practices accordingly but for me... "Good Cooks Go Electric!"
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Post# 42024-7/14/2004-16:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: It's all in the timing. After cooking on electric for a while you learn when to turn the heat down to prevent things boiling over and don't have to "guess".
As for heating, if one is using a ducted system, I can't imagine there's any way to tell whether the furnace is gas or electric. Mostly a case of cost in that example. Granny's house had the ceiling electric "radiant" heat which felt sort like a "presence" when walking around the room.
Water heating, definately gas where available, even in the rare cases where electricity is cheaper, because gas water heaters have a much faster "recovery" rate. Didn't know they had pilotless gas water heaters now, though the problem with that is that now one is dependent on electricity to light the burner. And the pilot light on a water heater isn't "wasting" gas since it's heat helps keep the water hot, unlike the pilot lights on an older gas range. On the other hand, electric water heaters require no venting, so can be installed anywhere.
Clothes drying? Strictly by cost, since the performance between a gas and electric dryer is about the same. Electric dryer will have an advantage when installing in a closet in that the doors won't have to allow for combustion air, though it's a good idea anyway to ventilate things.
Bottom line, the choices are often dictated by installation circumstances, fuel availability, and fuel cost that trumps personal preference.
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Post# 42025-7/14/2004-16:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: One thing I've noticed is that it's virtually impossible to throttle back a newer gas range. You just can't turn the flame down low enough. This wasn't a problem with the older gas ranges with the 2 piece burners and the solid grates. And I miss the thermostatically controlled burners that used to be common on both electric AND gas burners on the high-end ranges.
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Post# 42026-7/14/2004-16:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Exactly. One of the things I dislike is it can be hard to do a keep warm or gentle simmer. The blasted thing always wants to go out!
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Post# 42027-7/14/2004-16:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Overhere in the Netherlands in the seventies the dual fuel ranges were introduced and they got very popular. Since we have huge natural gas sources cooking on gas was what most people did, but there was a general dislike about gas ovens. I think that at the moment around 80% of the freestanding ranges are dual fuel ones and they are available in all price categories.
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Post# 42028-7/14/2004-16:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
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POD gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: My first apartment had an electric range. I was used to only gas cooking.I could not get used to electric ranges for a while,but like anything else you learn to adjust.
My only problem with electric ovens is that the heating elements take up too much space,Frigidaire made ranges at least have the elements recessed to allow more space inside the oven. More manufacturers should do this.
Pat
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Post# 42029-7/14/2004-17:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I had that trouble with the Hotpoint gas model - if you did get the flame low enough to suit your needs, it would blow out and not have enough gas flow to re-light automatically. I love the sensi-temp burner on my 58 Frigidaire, it works perfectly and I use it constantly!
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Post# 42030-7/14/2004-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Another thoughtful market strategy from the Euro mfgrs. Here, only higher-end models are available with dual-fuel options. The only gas oven I really liked well was my grandmother's Tappan gas range. It had a Wilcolator thermostat and was well insulated and baked very nicely. Growing up, we had a Universal gas range with a Robershaw thermostat (considered the best) and fairly powerful burners with a relatively wide range of settings. But for the pilot lights going out now and then, a very good range.
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Post# 42031-7/14/2004-19:12 ||| magic clean (Florida)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! Isn't the Frigidaire term "Heat-minder"? Just being a PIA here..LOL...Leslie
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Post# 42032-7/14/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes-I joined earlier this year.They announced me in the june 2004 Pre Show nesletter magazine.They have me listed as Greenville SC though.I have had others get confused on that.where is the member(s) that live in NC? Any in the Eastern NC area?
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Post# 42033-7/14/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I would think there should be a metal cover to go over the center pilot light.The cover was ment to be removed when you needed to light the pilot.Someone must have forgotten to put it back.Sometimes I melted small amounts of butter over the center pilot light without turning the burner on.Put it in a small metal measuring cup and put that on the pilot.On the range I dealt with-you had to fold up the top -like a washer and light the pilot.You had to take the burner grids off before tilting up the top.Think it was a Magic Chef.The pilotless ones were GE.
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Post# 42034-7/14/2004-19:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: those appliance people...such prickly pears...
Yes, Heat-Minder it is!
Who had Sensi-Temp? GE?
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Post# 42035-7/14/2004-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I would have to look in the membership list at home (I'm at work now). One lives in Rockingham, NC, and another whom I believe also lives in NC, owns a vacuum shop in a small town.
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Post# 42036-7/14/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-Many clotheslines in my neighborhood-but due to the trees and squirrels and bugs only one or two of my neighbors use theirs.I would think the high humidity would be detrimental as well.But the clothesline sure make many "mint" dryers available for us. also "orphaned" dryers left over from its Washer "partner" dying.Many dryer orphans in the shops here. There is a used applaince place "by the side of the street" out here-near my house.Its in an old gas station.Left my number with him and check him out as well.He is closely allied with the swap shop in Ayden-Ayden is about 10 miles from me.Aren't you anxious to open the boxes and see what they are-I would think you would be dying of curiousity.Christmas in July!!Did any of these come from appliance stores-"Oh we found this in the far corner of our stockroom"I asked the stores here-no older mint machines lurking in crates in their stores.
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Post# 42037-7/14/2004-20:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
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RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! )
MESSAGE: Hi Mark
The whole set of machines is realy beautiful. I was at work earlier and wasn't able to do any viewing until now. But it was worth the wait. Best of Luck with such a wonderful collection.
Peter
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Post# 42038-7/14/2004-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I am at work as well and don't have the membership list handy.Guess I could look 'em up on the internet.I can't place Rockingham NC.Need to look that up too.
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Post# 42039-7/14/2004-20:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: Mark, glad you finally got some pix of what some of you have. I can't wait to see what else is in the crated boxes from the move. Then I'll ask about others I think you & I have talked about.
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Post# 42040-7/14/2004-20:54 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: This makes sense. I remember my grandparents' house that was built in the late '30s. The laundry tub was made of smooth masonry, with twin compartments. Each side could hold an average washer's tub full of water. The front of the tubs were slightly sloped outward, and one side had a wash board build into the masonry on the inside of the front wall. It had a sort of clearcoat on it so that it wasn't entirely porous.
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Post# 42041-7/14/2004-21:04 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
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"Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what brand(s) of washer and dryer are
pictured? The dryer looks like a BOL Frigidaire, but I
don't know about the washer.
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Post# 42042-7/14/2004-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: GregM just let me know he posted pictures too...
Thanks Greg, boy your Filtrator is pretty!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GREGM
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Post# 42043-7/14/2004-21:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: I've never actually measured, but I know the gas burner and associated parts take up more total space than the electric elements. Theoretically, this means a gas oven can be larger because the components are outside of the oven cavity BUT it takes up more total space in the range itself. Also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven instead of in the oven cavity itself, so that space can't be utilized to either make the oven cavity bigger, or used for storage.
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Post# 42044-7/14/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site ('57 Control tower)
MESSAGE: That's too bad; I would have liked to correspond with Mr. Brucken to get the details on the 1-18s & the Agitubs.
--Austin
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Post# 42045-7/14/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: WOW!! Beautiful Frigidaire dryer & nice large collection!!
--Austin
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Post# 42046-7/14/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Great pics of the WCI-58 & Frigidaire Crown 1-18! Nice collection!
--Austin
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Post# 42047-7/14/2004-22:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: Beautiful '62 Maytag. I would love to see that '47 Easy in action. Great pix!
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Post# 42048-7/14/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: I just love the '56 Norge Time-Line dryer!! BEAUTIFUL! And what's that TOL 1957 Whirlpool Imperial next to it??
--Austin
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Post# 42049-7/14/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the washer's a 60's Frigidaire, but I'm not quite sure about the dryer...
--Austin
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Post# 42050-7/14/2004-22:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Both are Frigidaire far as I'm aware. I scanned the ad (and several others), provided by Sactoteddybear.
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Post# 42051-7/14/2004-23:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Yes I believe the dryer is a close to BOL Frigidaire. That time Robert found that turquoise Rollermatic here in Minneapolis, I think it was paired with a dryer very similar to that.
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Post# 42052-7/15/2004-00:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Turquoise Rollermatic?? Was that the '66 Frigidaire Coin-Op in his collection?
--Austin
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Post# 42053-7/15/2004-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: No, a friend of his knew of someone that had it, and he got it and has since sold it. It was a 64 or 65 Custom Deluxe.
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Post# 42054-7/15/2004-00:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay
MESSAGE: A little expensive considering the condition, but still rare. Seems a little newer than mine, since it's white (not avocado), has a different nameplate on the back, and has a strange little guard on the spinner compartment--any idea what this is for??
If I'm not mistaken Maytag Twinnies were made from 1968-1982--a 14 year production run.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827902330&rd=1
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Post# 42055-7/15/2004-00:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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1970's GE Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: In good shape considering its age, and powers up. I'd say this was an early 70's machine.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827675544&rd=1
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Post# 42056-7/15/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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Naxon Portable Washer
MESSAGE: I see many of these on eBay all the time, but this one takes the cake because it has a rubber agitator that moves
up & down!! In nearly new condition; possibly from the 50's.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827522388&rd=1
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Post# 42057-7/15/2004-05:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: thank you ....., I still am having trouble with pics being "to large" and I am trying to open them on my PC and resave as, but I am not finding the option or place to click to save as in a smaller size ??
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Post# 42058-7/15/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: POD Gas (thermostatically controlled burners)
MESSAGE: On my 1960 Gaffers & Sattler gas range, it was made by Robertshaw and was called "Pan-O-Matic". Worked perfectly, too!
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Post# 42059-7/15/2004-07:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (Great Pictures Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures.
Your Filtrator is a beauty!
Have you run it?
So nice.
Brent
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Post# 42060-7/15/2004-07:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: The 62 pink Maytag is beautiful!
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Post# 42061-7/15/2004-08:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
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Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I never knew this kind of washer existed until I joined this club. I find it interesting that they had 11 plants around the country and then disappeared from the face of the earth. Did anyone notice that they had a plant in Louisville, KY; (future home of GE Appliance Park in the very early 50's). Does anyone have any info on this company? Would love to know more about it! And I thought Staber washers were a new idea! Just goes to show you that everything old is new again.
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Post# 42062-7/15/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD (Super Duty)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, my '66 coin-op Frigidaire is a Super-Duty belt driven mechansim, not a Roller-matic.
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Post# 42063-7/15/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: Greg, in many photo editing software packages when you save there is an option for the "quality". Try bringing it down a bit, also just try simply opening them and re-saving them, that sometime will do the trick. Are you opening them using your photo editing software?
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Post# 42064-7/15/2004-09:22 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Yes,I agree on those points.I think Amanatag now has the largest ovens in either gas or electric.
A good example of wasted space is the Tappan range i have now.
This model is an early eighties i believe and the self cleaning oven makes the cavity tiny.All you can get in it is about a 20 lb. turkey with the shelf lowered to the bottom with no room to spare,otherwise it is a good cooker.
I know WCI bought out Tappan sometime in the late 80's,but was WCI involved with the making of their ranges earlier than that,anyone know?
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Post# 42065-7/15/2004-10:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenmore1978,
"... also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven..."
Not in this country. Most broilers (we call them grillers) are above the oven, gas or electric. They are a separate section, not built into the oven. Imported stoves generally have the griller in the top of the oven, which is considered a bit second rate. Only the cheapest Aus stoves have the grill in the oven.
Here is a link to the brochure for my stove, I have an Ultima 200 in my current house and a mint condition Ultima 650 (same as the 500 in the brochure but 600mm wide instead of 540)waiting to go into my new house. The stoves are late 80's.
I just LOVE this model, they are fantastic to cook on. They were Modern Maid's last model before they went broke. The original company, Modern Maid, got into financial trouble and was about to go broke. The workers and their union invested a lot of their savings in the company to keep it afloat, the company name was changed to "Modern Maid and Staff." Their last ditch attempt was to launch the Ultima range, which had many unique features and best quality available components. They sold at a premium price, but they didn't sell well and the company collapsed. I bought my first one when the last stock was being sold off cheap, I got a brand new Ultima 300 for about $600 when the list price was $1200. I liked it so much I bought a second hand one for this house, and have now tracked down a TOL beauty for the new house.
Modern Maid Aus was no relation to the same name company in USA.
Chris.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@Modern%20Maid%20Ultima%20brochure@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 42066-7/15/2004-10:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: The place where I got the Frigidaire dryer was an old gas station too! I was waiting until I got them moved to their final display area in the new house. The only box I can remember, is that one box has a PINK Ironrite ironer with the health chair that I got from ebay several years ago that is in mint shape. The guys that I got it from had a beautiful retro home done in pink! The rest will be surprises!.....unless of course, I have a visitor and they insist on takeing a peek into the boxes!!!
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Post# 42067-7/15/2004-11:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: In great working condition! Wonderful shape for its age--probably hardly ever used! 3-cup washing action.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1217&item=3736450970&rd=1
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Post# 42068-7/15/2004-11:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: There was a turquoise Philco double-tub on eBay last year, now here's the Dexter model. White with blue controls; tubs, wringer, & agitator are in great shape! Agitator is the same as early Philco/Dexter automatics. Works great and absolutely stunning to look at! Approx. 1950's.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3688055579&rd=1
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Post# 42069-7/15/2004-12:45 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Hi:
Just wanted to be sure everyone saw this story. Is anyone in it a member of this group?
Looks like we're a trend...
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/garden/15TRAD.html
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Post# 42070-7/15/2004-13:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Can you copy and paste it? You have to register to see the article and I'm not going to give the information they're asking for (household income, etc.). That is none of their beezwax.
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Post# 42071-7/15/2004-13:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Here it is...
July 15, 2004
TRADE SECRETS
If the Shell Fits, Fix It
By CAROLE BRADEN
ROY, N.Y.
IN a 360-degree turn of Mike Arnold's kitchen, it's the dishwasher that disconcerts. A late-model Jenn-Air with a stainless steel front and jet-black detailing, it looks as if it has crashed a party of hotties from another era. In one corner stands a 1928 Frigidaire refrigerator with a porcelain face. In another sits a white 1950 Frigidaire range, its shiny hubcap-like knobs practically begging to be touched.
Mr. Arnold, 59, a self-taught mechanic, bought the dishwasher after his $1,100 Bosch quit. "It lasted me a year and a month," he said of the Bosch, blaming touchy electronics. The more high-tech features an appliance has, the more likely it is to break down, he said, and the harder it is to repair. He chose his Jenn-Air because it was built without electronic sensors and switches — "as they built them 40 years ago."
Mr. Arnold began rehabilitating used appliances at age 15. Today, riding a wave of fashion for vintage machines, he runs a thriving business from his basement here. Clients from Seattle to the Czech Republic ship or bring in ancient Hotpoints, Odins and Tappans, paying him $950 to $3,000 to make them work like new.
Actually, in many cases they work even better than new ones. The granny-style fridge in Mr. Arnold's kitchen, with its small motor and thick insulation, uses about two-thirds less electricity than a typical new model, Mr. Arnold said. (Of course, in summer the Frigidaire has to be defrosted every six weeks or so.)
Fewer fancy parts means fewer headaches. "An old gas stove has no gadgets," he said. "It doesn't require electricity, batteries, electronic ignition — you turn it on and light it with a match."
Mr. Arnold and many of his clients have been connoisseurs of vintage appliances for decades, long before the current craze. They found them in junkyards, at auctions and in the kitchens of dearly departed old ladies down the street. In 1995, eBay arrived with its vast inventory of consumer-society castoffs. The demand for almost-antique appliances hasn't slowed since.
"I've seen a 25 percent increase in membership in the past year and a half," said Jack Santoro. Ten years ago, he founded the Old Appliance Club, a network of those who buy, sell, restore or otherwise relish vintage gadgetry. Today he says the network includes more than 6,000 people worldwide.
Enter a store that sells high-end new appliances, and high-priced old-style reproductions abound, with labels like Elmira Stove Works, Heartland Appliances, La Corneau, La Glacière, Morice and Muller. For many old-stove-and-fridge-ophiles, however, only an original will do. And along with demand for solidly built, classically styled appliances has come a growing number of repair experts (it is worth noting that some offer more expertise than others). Mr. Santoro's network and his quarterly magazine, The Old Road Home, broker major overhauls in the $10,000-to-$30,000 range.
John Jowers, whose Clayton, Ga., company, Jowers Antique Appliances, sells and repairs salvaged machines at www .antiqueappliances.com, asks $4,800 for a revamped 1948 O'Keefe & Merritt gas stove with a center griddle and a "Grill-a-vator," and has a 15-month waiting list for refrigerator jobs.
Mr. Arnold, who calls his business Twentieth Century Appliance Restorations, still remembers taking apart his first Monitor Top, one of the increasingly desirable General Electric refrigerators made between 1927 and 1938, with sealed motors looming above the box like spaceships. Today, he and his assistant will tackle almost anything, from "white goods" (refrigerators, ranges, washers and dryers) to toasters, mixers, percolators and vacuum cleaners — even Victrolas, clocks and televisions. He prefers products made before 1960, the year his business was born and plastics and complicated circuitry began making appliances more disposable. "What surprises me," he said, "is how many Sub-Zeros I see in the dump. I never see a Monitor Top out there."
Mr. Arnold, a crisply pressed, meticulous and well-spoken businessman, attracts customers through word of mouth and his Web site (www.monitortop.com). When customers call to discuss a perhaps rash tag-sale purchase, he tries to make a diagnosis over the phone: Is the machine rusted or rotted inside? Are any parts missing? (If either answer is yes, the caller may be the proud owner of an irreparable machine.) To those who simply have an eye on an old Kelvinator but don't know whether to buy, he advises looking past the grease and grime, adding, "If it's all there, no parts are broken, the price is right and the move is easy, go for it."
Clients must drop off their machines or arrange shipping. (Ranges and refrigerators weigh an average of 300 pounds, large models sometimes twice that.) A Scarsdale couple recently paid $600 to ship a 1953 double-oven Caloric to Troy (northeast of Albany) and back. Others drive for a day or more to deliver a precious Kalamazoo or Majestic.
Treatment begins with soaking quantities of commercial Easy-Off, dispensed in the driveway with a garden sprayer. Next comes a vivisection. Mr. Arnold examines the manifold, the valves that connect fuel lines to burners, pilot lights, thermostats, gauges and controls. Electric ranges may need rewiring, new switches or burners, while refrigerators are likely to require new gaskets, switches and wiring. He keeps a vast collection of parts in his cramped, maniacally organized basement, and salvaged machines at a warehouse. "I don't offer reporcelaining or repainting," he said, suggesting that any body shop can paint an appliance.
Scott Stultz, a kitchen designer in Marietta, Pa., who lives in a converted 1850 Gothic Revival Church, bought four of his eight 1940's GE refrigerators from Mr. Arnold. "My friends think I'm a little eccentric," he said, explaining that since only one would fit into his kitchen, the other seven reside in the church's former sanctuary upstairs.
Though Mr. Stultz said he is happy with his purchases, consumer advocates point out that the refurbishing of vintage wares creates opportunities for customer confusion and disappointment. They recommend requesting recent references, written cost estimates and warranties before handing over any object that cannot be easily replaced.
Mr. Arnold said that while he is unable to offer a warranty on a 50-year-old stove, he believes that the appliances he works on are ready to run for another lifetime. He said he does guarantee that each one is refurbished as if it were destined for his own kitchen.
Hey, sometimes it is.
--Austin
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Post# 42072-7/15/2004-13:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Actually these toploading H-axis machines are quite common here in Europe. They are not sold as much as the frontloaders (except in France I believe), but you see them quite often and they are available in every store.
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Post# 42073-7/15/2004-14:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: You don't have to give them the correct info -- just randomly select answers, or pick the first choice for each one.
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Post# 42074-7/15/2004-14:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen one of these critters in action? How does it agitate? Does that whole arm with those round things go up and down, or do they drag the clothes from side to side? I can't say I ever saw such a machine. Thanks for the pix!
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Post# 42075-7/15/2004-14:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the cones move up & down, though not as fast as a Frigidaire of course!
--Austin
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Post# 42076-7/15/2004-14:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Aren't the H-axis TLs usually compact/portable machines, sometimes used with separate centrifuges? Not all of the European H-axis TLs spin.
--Austin
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Post# 42077-7/15/2004-16:04 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
We had an old Modern Maid in our house in Victoria from the early 60's, when we replaced it with a 6 burner Chef gas range in the late 80's, it looked surprising like this modern maid range.
The control knobs seem to be very familiar looking, they appear the same as the Westinghouse, Chef (Email) stuff that was on sale up until a couple of years ago.
Were Modern maid collected by Email?
Have a good weekend
Nathan
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Post# 42078-7/15/2004-16:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I think you are referring to the twintub H-axis machines and perhaps to their counterparts without the centrifuges like my Miele 400. But at the moment there are only H-axis toploaders that spin on the market. These machines have the same height and depth as the frontloaders, they are just less wide than their frontloading relatives. The link leads to some pictures I took of a very vintage toploader that was on the curb.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/album?.dir=/a42f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius
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Post# 42079-7/15/2004-17:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Is the Ruton completely automatic?
--Austin
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Post# 42080-7/15/2004-19:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin: I just bought 2 items from her on ebay, a Fairfax Vacuum cleaner and a Ronson CooknStir. She is a very nice dealer and great packer too boot!
Jet
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Post# 42081-7/15/2004-19:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
contract detergent companies
MESSAGE: Here's another one of those companies like Huish detergents. Was in a discount store (99 Cent Store in Los Angeles area) They carry Rinso products, but I bought a box of dishwasher detergent that actually still has cholorine in it called True Sparkle (the Rinso brand has chlorine it it, too) and it was made by this comapny called Korex Corporation. So, chlorine lives on in dishwasher detergents, but you have to search for it.
LINK: http://www.korex-us.com/index.html
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Post# 42082-7/15/2004-19:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: I'd buy it if I didn't already have a Maytag TT, but not at the price she's asking. Maybe when it's lowered I might consider it. I bought mine for $10, and by the time shipping was calculated it was $105 just for the washer! I didn't want the matching dryer because it needed a new belt and hadn't been used in a long time because of that.
Because of its age the diverter valve probably leaks on this one too and will need replacement...
--Austin
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Post# 42083-7/15/2004-19:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) ("
Grillers")
MESSAGE: Since the company your ranges came from is now out of business, I'd start gathering parts now while they're still available if you plan to keep them for a long time.
So in that case you need a separate burner for the griller/broiler instead of being able to use the same burner as the oven by placing the broiler under the oven. I can see where that didn't go over here because of the increased cost of an additonal burner. Not to say that it wasn't done here, large(40") TOL line gas ranges from the 60's back would often have a separate broiler cavity as large as the oven cavity next to the oven. Often a rotisserie option was available. My 1960 Gaffers & Sattler range was set up this way. It also had a clock timer that would shut off the broiler burner (and the left rear surface burner) after a set time elapsed. I really miss that range, but it was too big to fit into our new house. Besides the features I just mentioned, it had a full chrome top, regular and timed outlets, lighted control panel, 2 thermostatically controlled burners (one regular and one under the griddle), clock controlled oven, lights that told when the oven was on, up to temp and when griddle grease cup was full; 2 part burners that could be set VERY low.
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Post# 42084-7/15/2004-19:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: Wow!!-so cool--looks like it was rolled out of the crate or dropped out of the time machine.
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Post# 42085-7/15/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: What model Fairfax vacuum did you get-I have the later model with the plastic lower tank. I am looking for the all stainless steel model-quite rare.They were originally made in Fairfax,VA in the 1950's.Mine is a later one.It didn't have the power nozzle.A vac dealer gave it to me-he said it was unsalable for him.It works very nicely-great suction and filtration.I beleive Fairfax is still in businss based in Dallas Tx now.
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Post# 42086-7/15/2004-20:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Wow, they look lke GREAT ranges, at least for "modern" ranges. What other companies were the competition in the marketplace?
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Post# 42087-7/15/2004-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Very interesting little story-Noticed he doesn't like electronic controls either.I like the statement made in the article of Sub-Zero Fridges in the dump but NO GE monitor tops thrown out.Its interesting about the Mon tops-ev en if they are dead people don't throw them away-they recycle them into a cabinet of sorts-usually out on a front porch.
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Post# 42088-7/15/2004-20:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times)
MESSAGE: so don't tell them the truth. All the choices have an "Other" category except for the income, and in that just put Under $20,000. I'm registered there and at L.A. Times and have never goten spammed from them, I think they're true to their word about their privacy policy (which they let you read)
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Post# 42089-7/15/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Looks like it has a very nice Copper tank-love that plunger agitator.I'm not sure about this--I think the cups go up and down and also the agitator assembly rotates around the tub as well.You need the lid-these were very splashy.Also love the "doco" that comes with it.A real treasure!!I saw a wassher sorta like this running in a very old movie.They gave a breif shot of the inside while it was agitating.You could see some water splashing out of the tub.I would think the wash cycles on these should be brief-would think the plunger agitator would be rough on your clothes.
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Post# 42090-7/15/2004-20:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac:
Mine is a plastic base model too! I have to say it sucks as good as my Airway! And I am a big Airway fan! I like the styling better than the Airway it is easier to wrap the cord up by just turning the vac around and around!
I have seen several of the SS base FF's on ebay recently, I didn't know they were so rare.
Was this a Hotel Vac or was it for the Home Market? I think someone here on the club said the vac guy would take the machine and mount it to the ceiling by turning it on and then HANG FROM IT! Was that true???
Jet
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Post# 42091-7/15/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats something-a good way to recycle old gas stations.Also thought of another appliance place near here in Winterville-Unfortunately the fellow that runs it threw out some older machines and parts(agitators).I left my number with him and check with him now and then.Most of his stock is outside.His house is beside his shop.He mostly fixes machines rather than selling them-thats the mainstay of his business.
A pink Ironrite-sounds really neat. Read about them on a link from the Classic Appliances site.They sound like a very well designed and built machine-would make pressing your clothes fun--instead of a chore. My mother knew someone that had one.The seat that goes with the machine was very well desinged from what I had read about these machines.If I were to visit-could I look into the crates?I had also read that Ironrites and similar clothes pressers were often "orphans" left over from yard and garage sales.
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Post# 42092-7/15/2004-20:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times appliance article)
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the picture that accompanied the article
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/trolley717/detail?.dir=/0afe&.dnm=39aa.jpg
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Post# 42093-7/15/2004-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, I remember those! from the mid 60's.
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Post# 42094-7/15/2004-20:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Of course he doesn't see Monitor tops in the dump because most of them were thrown out YEARS ago and the ones that are left are recognized as classic and saved, as you said, dead or alive.
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Post# 42095-7/15/2004-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Yes I too like the Airway machines. Now have three of them.Have the Purple body Tom Gasko model and the White body standard model. Also have the lower priced "basic" model-can't recall the model series-was traded in toward a Tri-Star(another one of my favorites with Kirbys)The Airway is an excellent machine-esp love their bag design.Their paper bags are even Certified HEPA!!The only one with that.Talked with them at their factory in Alabama.They make their own bags and own the only machine that makes the paper filter material for them.They said the equipment for making the bags was almost 100 years old.I too like the "auto-cord" rewind of the FairFax-just like the "winder" on a Filter Queen.At least those cord winders NEVER break!!The Fairfaxes were aimed at both the commercial and household markets. The machine I have does have a Bright Red 3 wire cord. This would meet current OSHA safety standards for commercial vacuums.When bought new-the machine comes with an air valve assembly to allow it to pick up liquids.-Hence the SS or plastic tanks.You remove the rubber ball airvalve to use it with bags and paper filter for dry vacuuming.Uses paper filters like a Watermatic.The Fairfax has the added advantage of a paper bag.Less mess to empty.I suppose its possible to (I don't know if I want to try it)take the powerdome of the machine-turn it on and have the motor suction cause it to cling to a ceiling.Then you could hang from it if you have a smooth ceiling so the motor gets an airtite seal.Also the motor has a separate fan for cooling.Its a three fan system like a Watermatic.The vent slots on the top of the power head are for the motor cooling fan.The machine I have just came with the hose.Also the Guy gave me an Electra-Pure vac as well. Interesting machine-has a vertical bag and horizontal motor like a Tri-Star.Again just came with the hose.He can't resell the machine unlesss it had the powernozzle.
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Post# 42096-7/15/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Is the Ronson Cook and Stir the Blender type machine with a heating element in the base as well as the motor for the blender-Remember seeing a machine like this-but advertised in of all things-A Laboratory supply catalog.Still have the catalog around somewhere-was Fisher Scientific or something like that.
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Post# 42097-7/15/2004-20:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention Airway, I am thinking of at least one and possibly 2 or 3 more VCCC members who live in NC. The person who was the club president until just this convention in June lives there and he does some selling of Airways. Our keynote speaker was a person who worked for Airway for many years. I have two of them and they are very fine cleaners indeed.
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Post# 42098-7/15/2004-21:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
No, Email didn't get its grubby paws on Modern Maid, they just closed up. Northern Gas Appliances in Melbourne got all their spare parts stock (a warehouse full) so there are no problems getting parts. The Gas And Fuel Corporation, at the time owned by the Victorian state government, bought up all the complete stoves, that's where I bought my first one.
New ones still (rarely) turn up for sale at little shops, Nick's Cash Sales in Geelong has a light grey four burner cooktop for sale, brand new, with the burner caps still taped down with "Modern Maid and Staff" sticky tape. It is for sale for $300 with "brand new" written on the ticket. I asked the man behind the counter if he knew it was over 15 years old, he told me to F off. Charming.
Chris.
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Post# 42099-7/15/2004-21:31 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Hi K78
By the mid 80's there were three Aus companies making gas stoves - Chef, Westinghouse and Modern Maid. Braemar and Roden has recently stopped making stoves. MM was the smallest of the three. Chef were the most popular, but quality is not good. I cook professionally on two Chef (domestic model) stoves which need constant repair, and aren't as good to cook on even when they are working properly. Westinghouse were a bit better but have a stupid design for the oven, where to replace the door seal the whole oven liner has to come out. Chef stoves in particular have trouble with low burner settings, they go out constantly. The MM has its simmer burner about the size of a 20 cent piece (how big is that you ask??) which is a great feature. Chef and Westinghouse stoves were about 20% cheaper than Modern Maid, people just weren't prepared to pay extra for features only keen cooks would value.
Imports at the time - I think F&P stoves were just arriving from NZ, also Gaggenau, AEG, Miele, and Cannon. All expensive, low volume imports at the time. Imports are now a much bigger market share. Electrolux owns both Chef and Westinghouse brands, but the Chef factory was closed down when E'lux took over, they are only the Westinghouse design. They are badged as Simpson, too.
Chris.
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Post# 42100-7/15/2004-22:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes, it is. And this also brings to mind, wasn't there an electric range that had one unit with a mechanism in it that was magnetic and moved a stirrer that was placed inside a pot that was on the unit?
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Post# 42101-7/15/2004-22:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hey Tolivac: I got the whole kit and kaboodle on the FairFax! It has this strange ball valve thing I could not figure out what it was for! And some kind of clear plastic vac attachments too. I wish I had the manual to explain it all. I have no idea as to how it all goes together. But I really wouldn't use that vac for liquids as I own a shop vac for that. It has a power head with a big scarlet metallic label on top that says FAX-O-MATIC. I took it apart to clean and saw it was made by Eureka.
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Post# 42102-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: It makes Tapioca Pudding a breeze and has a TERRIFIC recipe book too! But my Vita Mix does alot more much easier. I'll get some pix and put them up at my site for everyone.
jon
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Post# 42103-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Well guys its been quite a week. I’ve got an email on Monday from a very nice man down in Oklahoma who seems to have quite a few vintage automatics from the 50’s and 60’s. He’s been collecting lots of different big things for quite a while and now needs to move out of his warehouse space immediately, so I had to act right away, its now or never. So I quickly got a one-way plane ticket down to Oklahoma for tomorrow evening and Greg (Gansky) said he would drive down there and meet me there. We’re not exactly sure what we are going to come home with, but I’ve rented a Uhaul truck and Greg has rented a trailer just in case. He might have as much as 20 or more machines that might need to be saved.
I will be incommunicado tomorrow because we are having our office “team building” event on a boat on Lake Minnetonka and then I have to get myself right to the airport so I wont be able to respond until we arrive back in Omaha on Sunday evening. We will keep everyone posted. This could be big find!
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Post# 42104-7/15/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm hoping for an Apex!!
Mom says good luck!
--Austin
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Post# 42105-7/15/2004-22:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: Worst case scenario, you guys might be able to go in temporarily on a different storage space for the machines worth saving that you can't transport back. That would buy you time to find homes for them.
Nobody has a laptop and a digital camera you could take with you for communication and picture taking so possibly others could go there and try for a rescue?
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Post# 42106-7/15/2004-22:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Here's a Cook & Stir on eBay. Very interesting design; that glass jar looks like a piece of 60's school labware!! Although I could see where the VitaMix had its advantages over this, such as having a stainless jar & reversing blade.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25370&item=3827920986&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 42107-7/15/2004-22:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (OH MY!)
MESSAGE: How Exciting! Like a kid a Christmas!
Have a safe trip!
Bring home lot's of goodies!
Brent
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Post# 42108-7/15/2004-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: No on the laptops as we both have desktop comptuers, but both Greg and I are bringing our cameras. If need be we can try and find an internet cafe. We will try to get on line by Sunday evening.
Night guys.
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Post# 42109-7/15/2004-23:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: YAY! Can't wait to see what all is there!
--Austin
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Post# 42110-7/15/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Ronson machine shown in the link was the same one shown in the lab supply book.Yes the VM would be easier-and you could "cook" with the VM by running it for awhile.-say several min.You could also cook with the VM by mixing very hot water with the ingredients-cooks and mixes at the same time.The VM didn't need the heating element.The Ronson unit would be an interesting addition to a blender-small appliance collection.
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Post# 42111-7/15/2004-23:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Saw the Ronson machine on Westytoploaders link-the same machine shown in my lab supply catalog.
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Post# 42112-7/15/2004-23:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: The ball valve part is for the wet pickup.You remove the paper bag and paper filter and put the ball valve in their place.The transparent attachments were for wet pickup from floors(if it has the wand)and the smaller clear tool is for upulstry and furniture.Is there a hose with a fitting on it to connect to a faucet?That should attach to either the floor wet tool or the hand one.It then dispenses water to the item you are wet cleaning.I could try to find the factory address and number for you.Think they are still in business.The FF machines were sold DTD.The older ones even used the power head to power a floor machine attachment to clean and polish floors!It also had a handle that clipped onto the top of the powerhead.Saw a picture of it on a vac collectors website-clever machine!!The floor machine had a brush attachment and a polishing pad.It looked and worked like a single brush commercial floor machine.Yes,Eurika made the power nozzles for Fairfax and I beleive-Watermatic.I have two Watermatics.I would continue to use your Shop Vac for Wet pickup-has more capacity than the Fairfax.The FF only would hold a gallen or two of liquid before the ball valve cuts it off.Would be tediouis to use for large amounts of water.
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Post# 42113-7/15/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I don't know about the range type unit-but lab type heater-stirrer units that used the magnetic bar or agitator were common in labs.They were especially helpful for explosive chemicals or highly toxic ones.The stirrers-heaters for toxic and explosive chemicals had a very precise temp range.
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Post# 42114-7/16/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Here is a website that shows the vintage Fairfax Model S-1 with the floor machine attachment. www.137.com/fairfax
It may be Charlie Lester's website-a well kinown vac collector.The S1 doesn't have a powernozzle.Used the paper bags and filters like those we have.Has the wet clean attachments.I am still trying to find the website for the new Fairfaxes-maybe they finally went under??I remember looking 'em up awhile ago.
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Post# 42115-7/16/2004-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: If I could drive there I would :-(
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Post# 42116-7/16/2004-02:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Austin,
Yes, the Ruton is completely automatic. I think it came on the market in the late sixties or early seventies. It was one of the first or maybe the first toploading H-axis washers with a 1000rpm spinspeed, which was quite amazing since most washers didn't spin that fast. My mother's very (and I mean VERY) expensive Bosch only had a 760rpm spin.
The Ruton brandname was (or perhaps is) owned by Philips, a dutch based company. The white goods part of the company was later sold to Whirlpool. Whirlpool still sells H-axis toploaders overhere, but ofcourse only in the modern white on white design.
The advantage of these machines is they have two bearings, one on each side of the drum. They also lack a doorseal. I owned a Philips toploader from 1982 - 1993. Unfortunately I got rid of it when it broke down. It's on the bottom right of the page.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/detail?.dir=/72b1&.dnm=e711.JPG
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Post# 42117-7/16/2004-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The German company Vorwerk also makes a blender like cook and stir machine called the Thermomix. I don't know what the price is for a new one, but used they are really expensive too. The older ones are a few hundred dollars sometimes, but the newer ones are sold on eBay sometimes for over $600.-!!!!
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Post# 42118-7/16/2004-02:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, so what you're saying is that this machine is actually stil l in production! That bodes well for collectors of theoriginal blender parts-wise. I wonder how it ended up as a lab device?
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Post# 42119-7/16/2004-03:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, what a wonderful machine! Here's a link to a Thermomix
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22532&item=3826888053&rd=1
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Post# 42120-7/16/2004-05:22 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE:
I remember seeing many of the Maytag TwinTubs junked here in the Lansing area by almost every appliance shop. It seems that Maytag likes playing the part of (hateful,nasty,
obsolescence manufacturer)now , and discontinued EVERYTHING it seems for them.
We always had a few come thru..and we kept many parts up until 01 or so. Then they were all trashed when our roof fell in after a icestorm.
We did have a real nice one that we used in the store to wash shop rags and the like; like the one on e-bay and just remember it having a awesome spinspeed. Some of those clothes would be so dry it was JUST amazing. What was the top spin speed? I don't remember anymore.
On Fairfaxes, I am not sure also if they are in buisness. I do know that their newest model is black and white with LOADS of sparkly trim and a longer hose with the powersupply built in ...not like the Rexairs and early electroluxes of banding the powercord to the outside.
The powerhead is different also. It's a cheapie design very different from the Eureka heads with the wooden Disturbulator beater bar brush. I have seen some Fairfaxes however with the early Powermatic Hoover heads also. All that I have ever seen were non-headlight models as well.
The one that I have is just the vacuum and attachments. I do not have any of the extractor bits. My booklet that I have shows alot of things that mine does not have. Also...all the tools that I do have...(for dry vacuuming) are Eureka produced also.
I finally gave it to my mother who is fraught with beating the living beejeesus ut of vacuum cleaners. She trashed a Filter0-Queen Majestic Triple Crown that I bought for her in six years. I couldn't keep up with her destruction of it so I traded her.
She has had it a year and no repairs. Seems that my mom has met her match. THANK GOD.
One more thing....I don't understand why????? BUT I t seems that when I go to look for the picture of the day...it's all written in jibberish and no picture appears. Is it my system or is there something wrong elsewhere?
Thanks For Letting Me Talk
Chad
Mine had a wooden Disturbulator when i got it...and I changed
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Post# 42121-7/16/2004-05:53 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad: WOw what does your Mom due to her vacs?? My FF has a metal Disturbulator -- I love that term! But I took it apart and have not reassembled it correctly as it is now jammed so back to the basement!
CHeers
jon
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Post# 42122-7/16/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Better Get'em before a tornado does.
WOW. If he so happens to have a 1970ish Kenmore 800...... :-)
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Post# 42123-7/16/2004-09:07 ||| Jobrien (Lakeland)
SUBJECT:
Martha Washington built in oven
MESSAGE: Hi out there! I've got a 50's Matha Washington stainless steel built in oven I'm trying to get rid of. I haven't been able to find any information on the thing at all any body know anything?
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Post# 42124-7/16/2004-09:24 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
Links to 58 Speed Queen & Filterflo pics
MESSAGE: The links to Robert's pics of the 58 Speed Queen and Filterflo's Washington, D.C. 59 GE pics are not working for some reason. Anyone know what might be the problem? Filterfol's link takes you to his album of museum pics but not the Washington finds. I wanted to show them to a friend of mine ysterday but can't access them anymore.
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Post# 42125-7/16/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Whatever you find we want mucho photos!
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Post# 42126-7/16/2004-09:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Maytag TT)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what the spinspeed is, but it is wonderful!! After 5 minutes in the centrifuge, I open the lid and the clothes are near-dry, needing only 30-40 minutes in the dryer! The wash action of the dual impellers is whisper-quiet (you can only hear the water rushing around the tub) and interesting to watch. The clothes move up, across, down, up, and across, unlike a single-impeller machine, where they just keep going around. They also reverse every 30 seconds, making it more interesting. It handles a good-sized load for a side-impeller machine and cleans really well, although it still can't beat my bottom-impeller GE Portable for capacity!
--Austin
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Post# 42127-7/16/2004-09:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Or a Borg-Warner/Norge design Montgomery Ward Portable!!! YAY!
--Austin
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Post# 42128-7/16/2004-10:03 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a 58 Lady Kenmore, their first machine with a wash n wear cycle. It's a dream machine for me.
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Post# 42129-7/16/2004-12:54 ||| SteveD (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Unless, of course, you don't count the zillions of Monitor Tops in garages up here, keeping the beer cold..... GE built the Monitor Tops here in Schenectady (10 miles from Troy), and my mom's aunt worked on the assembly line........
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Post# 42130-7/16/2004-13:50 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: Well,
I gave her the Filter Queen after her having a Rainbow D2 for about five years. She could never understand that you CANNOT suck up water like you could with a Rainbow with an empty pan.
There were several times that I had to clean out all the filters because she would suck up water and let it sit in the dustbin.
She was also FOREVER breaking belts too. She had many throw rugs that she would catch the fringe and the FQ belts were so darned thin. She would never set the height adjustment and she has thick rugs also.
She has three fireplaces and would use the thing to clean out ashes too. She did this about 15-20 times before she finally siezed the suction motor!
She has a large three season room, and would use it to clean out there when she needed to. And would suck up anything that was in the path of the flow.
She had a Kirby Tradition while I was growing up that she bought about 1979 or so. By the time I replaced it for her with the Rainbow in 1991, it looked SOOOOO incredibly bad that we couldn't GIVE IT away at a garage sale.
However she did have a Hoover Convertible model 4003 that was given her as a wedding present in 1971. This machine has remerkably survived intact today in my collection as she never liked "how it cleaned or the suction that it had"? Go figure?
The Fairfax has only needed minor attention since trading her. I took the FilterQueen and spent money of my own to rehab it once again. It's heavier by far to the Fairfax, and the powerhead leaves a bit to be desired...but after paying about $899.00 used a few months old...I couldn't let that investment die like that. So now I have it...
Yeah now that I think about it, the Maytag TT did do a reversoroll was in a way. It was VERY good at washing all sorts of shop rags which we used ALOT of. We had an old ABC-O-Matic gas dryer that ususally dried everything in about 25-30 minutes or so.
That was a fabbo dryer. I can remember that it used three bayonet style bulbs to light up the panel...and the dryer drum was fully perforated. If I remember correctly the lint trap was near the bottom and was quite large. The thing had a pilot light switch that you could shut off if you wanted too. There was also a very small round grille...that allowed you to look back to where the pilot was to see if it was on.
I just remember that it would make a snap,snap,snap fire sound, while starting. It looked similar to the Kelvinator dryers that were produced later. In fact looked like the one that you see for like thirty seconds on the Kelvinator Foodarama link in the commercial section.
What happened to the ABC.....sad story I might say.....I ended up getting a job w/ the Hoover Company. About a month after I left...the new manager updated all the stuff used in the store and that ABC was hauled to the landfill. Months after this occured...I visited to the old store that I worked at and saw an empty space where the ABC sat... In it's place farther down the wall was a stupid looking Roper electric dryer. Sad look indeed
Yours Chad
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Post# 42131-7/16/2004-14:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: The 1980 Kirby Tradition I have is powerful, but
LOUD!! It
roars compared to the gentle purr of the Kirby ComVac 1300 (Sanitronic-style body), which sounds strangely like the quiet Royal 801 I had about a year ago (sold on eBay). The only downside of the ComVac is that it has a fixed nozzle, so it's useless with tools unless you're using it as an inflator/blower. The Tradition is more useful on that aspect. I replaced the rug nozzle this summer because the brushroll mounting plate bent and couldn't be fixed, but other than that it's still going strong. It's also the only vacuum that's been in our family since new. My grandmother gave it to my aunt as a present in 1980, and I received it in 2000.
I read your old post on how the ABC dryer "vanished", and I thought that was truly sad. What kind of senseless idiot could throw out a VINTAGE dryer, much less a working one! I didn't realize at the time it was being used with a Maytag TT, which was one of the reasons it could dry fast without heat. That spinner is something else!
--Austin
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Post# 42132-7/16/2004-16:45 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Bring back some really good stuff! And remember, if you find a lot of washers, and don't have enough room, I might be able to take one! Hopefully a Unimatic! I can't wait! AHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Post# 42133-7/16/2004-19:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Mid-late 50's gas machine; judging from the pictures it looks like it has a lighted control panel. Beautiful condition and works great! A steal, especially for a pink machine at this price! $25, Ill.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71255&item=3828314515&rd=1
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Post# 42134-7/16/2004-19:40 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Except for the color,that would have matched the Maytag 140 I just scrapped.Great dryer!
BTW,Lansing Illinois is south suburbs of Chicago.
kennyGF
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Post# 42135-7/16/2004-21:20 ||| Duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Howz about an Arkie Boy?)
MESSAGE: Darn, wish I would have been "in-pocket", I'm in central Arkansas....Tulsa/OKC are only about 5 hours from me....
jeff
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Post# 42136-7/16/2004-22:13 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: And it even has the special door for drying small loads.
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Post# 42137-7/16/2004-22:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: "And it even has the special door for drying small loads."
How does this work? I never realized such a feature even existed on dryers.
--Austin
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Post# 42138-7/16/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Here's something you don't see often: the matching apartment-size dryer used with the Hoover Twin-Tub Washers of the 1970's. Looks like it was made by Maytag, as the drum has the plastic grid at the back (filter??), and the timer knob is at the top right. Avocado green, works great! $10 NR!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3828339072&rd=1
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Post# 42139-7/16/2004-23:30 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: That dryer is all Hoover. It had a simiar filter in the back of the drum that resembled the maytags but they are different.
Greg
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Post# 42140-7/17/2004-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin, Jason was being sarcastic. They were just small dryer door openings on maytags back then.
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Post# 42141-7/17/2004-05:57 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: The small doors on Maytag gas dryers were used to relight the standing pilot lights that ignited the burner. (I'm not sure when Maytag introducted electronic ignition for their gas dryers. I do know they had standing pilot lights at least as late as 1968.) I've seen doors on 1950's electric Maytags on E-Bay. I'm not sure what those were used for. Maybe for the lint filters? (Norge Timeline dryers had similar doors for the lint filter.)
Mike
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Post# 42142-7/17/2004-07:38 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin- He is pulling your chain! The little door on the bottom right is where the pilot light is!
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Post# 42143-7/17/2004-07:43 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I currently use a late '70s Maytag Gas dryer. (Model#DG309). It still has the little door on the bottom right. It came with a pilot light but I had it converted to electric ignition a few years ago. I think it was when electric ignition was made standard they dropped the door. "Goatfarmer" will know.
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Post# 42144-7/17/2004-08:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
detergent info
MESSAGE: interesting detergent info .........
LINK: http://www.happi.com/current/Jan024.htm
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Post# 42145-7/17/2004-08:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: ok, on my '65 Frigidaire rollermatic that i recently replaced the capacitor (thank you again for all who helped me about that) well now the machine makes a rather terrible, rattling sound during agitation, spin is quiet and fine. So I would assume the agitate roller needs replacement right ?? WELL, BUT ..... upon viewing the machine in operation from the lower, rear access panel ...... during agitation the "spin roller" (although not engaged in the spin function right now) visually appears to be moving around a bit unnecessarily and therefore appears to be the culprit making the racket; ALSO when the machine is still/off, the spin roller appears to have a couple noticeable flat spots whereas the agitate roller looks smooth and fine ?? -- thank you in advance for feedback --gregm
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Post# 42146-7/17/2004-08:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
nice pics trainguy and lighted controls
MESSAGE: Mark, Rich, very nice pics !!!!!!, I still have not looked at everyones yet nor have uploaded all mine .......
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Post# 42147-7/17/2004-09:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Hey greg,
repair master says "High sound level-Agitate knocking sound"; doesn't sound like a roller problem. Might have something to do with the agitate arm or agitate wheel bearing or ball support.Anything that's moving when it is pulsating sounds like where the problem is. That would make sense since it is quiet in spin. The spin roller is supposed to rotate when pulsating, but because of motor rotation and spring action of the roller pushes it out of contact with spin wheel, so that is not a problem. I don't think flat spots on the spin roller are unusual, unless it was making a chattering sound during spin.
John
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Post# 42148-7/17/2004-09:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: They can be converted? How so? What kit would one buy?
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Post# 42149-7/17/2004-09:29 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Washer
MESSAGE: Kenmore Washer 1070's on E-bay 3688679390.
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Post# 42150-7/17/2004-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: SA8 was an Amway product, did they sell the name or change the name of the company? I tried selling Amway for a while, they used to claim that washing with SA8 would clean all the residue fromother detergents out of your washer. I remember it being quite expensive compared to regular detergents.
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Post# 42151-7/17/2004-09:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, very interesting read. It's interesting to learn that manufacturers are thinking of tablets as a product whose time is yet to come. In order to do that, however, they're going to have to convince the stores to carry them. I actually really like Purex tablets and used them for some time, but no one seems to carry them anymore so I gave up on them and have been using Gain, which I also like very much.
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Post# 42152-7/17/2004-10:23 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I'm just joking Austin. The small door is for the pilot light.
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Post# 42153-7/17/2004-12:53 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Washer (Smokin')
MESSAGE: Poor thing shouldn't have been smokin' in bed.
MRB
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Post# 42154-7/17/2004-12:55 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God)
MESSAGE: When will this madness end?
All I can say is: pictures..moview..pictures..movies..
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Post# 42155-7/17/2004-15:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I was browsing around Classic Appliances and found this picture. anyone know any info on this machine? Does anyone have more pics of it? Video? Anything?
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/FUN/Acme+Imperator.jpg
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Post# 42156-7/17/2004-16:12 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I don't know about that machine but I didn't have a clue what an Imperator was so I looked it up and it means Emperor.Thats all I know.
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Post# 42157-7/17/2004-17:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it's an existing machine, I think it's a computerized picture.
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Post# 42158-7/17/2004-20:20 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines (How Unfair!))
MESSAGE: I am going to my grandmothers at noon on tommorrow, I won't be able to hear (and hopefully see) what machines you two brought back until at earliest Wednesday or even Thursday! I am going to go insane with out internet access! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 42159-7/17/2004-20:50 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: HI Greg, thanks for the link. very interesting reading. I didnt know Dial made Purex. I tried several detergents in the past and Tide with bleach seems to preform the best,I like all the suds. Im a press setup and operator so my work cloths are uasually pretty oily/greasy and I feel I need the suds. My mom sold Amway in the 1960s and I remember the SA8 being very low suds and she didnt like it very much. See Ya! Don
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Post# 42160-7/17/2004-21:10 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: i had a problem with the thermocouple and the repairman offered to convert it when he replaced the thermocouple. I said sure, he went to the truck for a few things and inside a half an hour it was all ready to go!
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Post# 42161-7/17/2004-21:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: well I thought that too, BUT, you can visually see the spin roller almost what appears to be bouncing around, it moves around alot during agitation, there doesn't seem to be any "play" in the agitate arm, but maybe I should try and replace that first ? I have heard that flat spots will make a "chattering" sound on the rollers
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Post# 42162-7/17/2004-21:14 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: I remember reading an article in Consumer Report that said the test they did on the "SA" Amway detergents led them to believe the Amway detergents were not all that great! I remember them saying that the current (at that time) P&G products were better and less expensive!
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Post# 42163-7/17/2004-21:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Well now that you say it is bouncing around that would cause a knocking type noise. It wouldn't do it in spin because there is pressure on the roller to keep it still. You might try removing the spin roller to check it; maybe one of those little springs are missing and not holding steady. Also maybe that's why there are flat spots on it, from bouncing against the spin driver. Does that make sense? You did say you have extra rollers, right?
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Post# 42164-7/17/2004-22:17 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Hi,
My aunt and uncle, and two cousins are all part of the Amway game. My aunt started in 1974-75 area, got my mom in in 1976, her husband in 1978, and my grandma in 1980.
Now it's down to just their family. I swear that that is their church organization also. I always hear them talking about Amway this....and Amway that..and my family has always been, unless you were firm..which MANY are not; innundated with the products including their soaps,detergents and etc.
I have tried their detergent, and feel that there are better out there, and I don't feel that it dissolves well in my water that I have here in West Lansing. It's softened, filtered and such...but when I use it it never seems to dissolve all the way...and I'm left with tiny white spots all over my washing.
No I do not use an old fashioned agitator washer (usually), I have now a Frigidaire Gallery Gold Front Loading washer and Dryer for my main everyday machines. Even when I had my Westinghouse Space Mates as my everday'ers, and I used the stuff it wouldn't do very well anyway.
(sidebar- The Westinghouse's are in the basement now)
When I use the Frigidaire 1-18 now...it will dissolve and does have a pleasant scent. I recently moved those as well to the basement laundry area because I wanted a (built in) folding table and a place to put an upright freezer in the upper laundry area.
Anyway,I also had the opportunity to use one of the Amway Clear Track vacuum cleaners also. I found this product to be noisy, filters clogged WAY too easy, the brushroll would attract ANY sorts of hair or thread bits off my carpets...and wrap themselves tightly around the agitator. Parts were almost NON-exsistant from even the most reputable shops.
My Filter Queen does the same....but not nearly as bad it seems anyway. And with proper use the FilterQueen clogs WAY later than this one does.
The ABC-O-Matic Dryer that you have heard me describe in detail in previous posts, was junked after I left because the new manager of the vac area, is just not only that daft...but has no ability to understand the value of anything old. If it's not a late model....it's junky and ineffiecient.
The Maytag TwinTub however, that I used at my old work; DID live a afterlife of sorts. I gave it to a (financially unfortunate) lady with a small kid who lived in an apartment where she couldn't have a washer. Where then I upgraded to a fully automatic Speed Queen Commercial washer.....that ended up puking all it's tranny oil into the tub a few months later. Which then gave way to the last one that I had there which was a late 60 Maytag Washpower Automatic. It wasn't TOL, but it's stillin use. I just saw it yesterday when i wnet in to say hi to everyone.
I have used other Amway things, sponsored by the aunt and uncle...on free trial mind you...and find fair to good results in my book. I have used their versions of the products that i'm about to list off, with the brands that I prefer:
I still prefer Palmolive for dishwashing, Cascade for the dishwasher w/ jetdry of course, and either Lestoil or PineSol for floors wall and such, and good ol fashioned Comet for scouring.
Well then.. I guess I have said my peace.
Chad
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Post# 42165-7/17/2004-22:27 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: I sold Amway products a long time ago; always thought their best product was SA8 laundry detergent. Have recently started using it again and am quite pleased with it. Amway was first with what today is called "ultra" detergent. Always liked it because it was concentrated and made very little suds. It wasn't the cheapest by any means, but back then (in the 70's) I felt it was better quality than what you found in the supermarket aisle. Today I think most all detergents are better quality, so the gap between Amway and the rest is narrow, and with intense price competition (Walmart etc) some ppl can't justify spending more. Just my 2 cents!
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Post# 42166-7/17/2004-22:29 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Greg, very interesting article - thanks. I usually switch between powders and liquids. The tablets are a little harder to use. I did use them a few years back in my 1994 GE Filter-Flo, and always on a full load. That's one of the drawbacks. You can't adjust tablets for load size. I've noticed that Purex makes a tablet, and lists "also for HE washers" on the box. I would be hard-pressed to add a full tablet to my front-loader unless the load was very dirty.
Pete
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Post# 42167-7/18/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: You could always crush them while still in the packet and dump them into a jar or something. Then just scoop out as much as is needed for any load - a bit of effort, but a solution nonetheless. I myself have used Purex tabs and thought they performed quite well, but I thought the scent too strong in both versions. I have actually tried all the tabs and the only ones I really liked were the Surf tabs (spring burst scent). But the Surf tabs were discontinued last year and Wisk tabs more recently. Perhaps if one is lucky there may be a dollar store that has some - but I haven't found them here in Connecticut...
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Post# 42168-7/18/2004-09:07 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Detergent Info.
MESSAGE: According to the latest Consumer Reports magazine(August 2004)the top rated "Best buy" is "Kirkland Signature 38722" a liquid formulae from Costco. It got the best rating in all three major catagories, cleaning,brightening, and color transfer. Other "best buys" that did not rate quite so high were "All Stainlifters Free Clear", "Ajax with Bleach Alternative", "Purex Free Clear", Winn-Dixie with Bleach Alternative". The "best buy" HE detergent is "Sears Advanced Formulae Plus 9820",(but the "All Stainlifters HE" cleaned better in the given catagories!).
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Post# 42169-7/18/2004-10:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: I wonder if Wile E. Coyote is stuffed inside?
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Post# 42170-7/18/2004-10:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info (tablets)
MESSAGE: Not only can you not adjust tablets to the load size, you can't adjust the amount to degree of soil, either. So that's another problem with tablets.
Often a "cheap" additive such as a cup of ammonia in the wash does wonders for really greasy, dirty stuff.
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Post# 42171-7/18/2004-12:07 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God/ ok is ok.)
MESSAGE: How many of you have took an extra peep at applianceville this weekend...........?Robert and Greg I think we are getting anxious :-) I hope your trip to OK. is going ok. alr2903
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Post# 42172-7/18/2004-12:17 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: How may of you have made an extra trip to applianceville this weekend, are we anxious or what?.. Robert and Greg we hope OK is ok. Hoping your trip to OK went well. alr2903.
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Post# 42173-7/18/2004-15:24 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT:
50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
I am new to this forum. I am looking to buy a few automatic washers from the 50'. Lady kenmore, Whirlpool, or Kenmore.
Can some one give me some info where I might be able to find some?? I live in Charlotte, NC and I possibly can travel on the weekend to pick them up or even just have them shipped??
Thank you so much,
Regards,
Bobby
704 674-1774
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Post# 42174-7/18/2004-15:35 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: Speaking of Acme and Wile E. Coyote, here in New Jersey we have an Acme supermarket chain. When I was a kid, I used to wonder if that's where Wile E. Coyote bought all of the equipment that he used in his vain attempts to catch the Road Runner. :-)
Here's a link to their website: https://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp
LINK: http://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp
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Post# 42175-7/18/2004-17:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: Art, have peeked several times this pm while doing laundry and being Mr. domestic.
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Post# 42176-7/18/2004-17:53 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Call John Lefever at 240-304-8471. He has several machines that he wants to sell.
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Post# 42177-7/18/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Amway vacuums look SOOO GOOD on eBay, as the seller describes the amazing features...however, I saw one close-up and the filter looks & operates just like the one on an early 90's Fantom, which is obviously nothing special. They also lack onboard tools, the decals peel off WAY too easily, the height adjustment is difficult to operate, and the brushstrips wear out easily. My advice: save your money for an Electrolux or Kirby and don't buy these pieces of crap...
--Austin
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Post# 42178-7/18/2004-19:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Purex tabs worked well for us since you only had to use one, and had a nice scent to them, not like a "mountain aire fresh" scent. Wisk tabs, requiring 2 for each load, were somewhat inconvienent and crumbled easily. Gain smells similar to Dove bar soap, but oversudses WAY too easily and introduced me to the wonderful world of SUDS-LOCK!!
Currently I use Tide w/Bleach (Original Scent). Has a nice "detergenty" smell to it (unlike Tide Original; no additive), and works quite well. Biz non-chlorine bleach is a wonderful detergent booster, but somewhat expensive at $7.63 for an 80 oz. box. No strange "mountain-aire" smells here either.
--Austin
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Post# 42179-7/18/2004-19:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Just wondering, do you know of any machines John L is getting rid of? He has a few rarities, such as the WI-57 Control Tower set, 1947 GE AW6, and the
r-a-r-e Mid-60's GE "Washer-Sink".
--Austin
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Post# 42180-7/18/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: Somebody Photoshopped the dials, insignia, door, and covered up the top (I'm certain the "base photo" was that of a top-loader). Look closely and you'll see the pixellated text...
--Austin
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Post# 42181-7/18/2004-20:07 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Now Austin, do you even THINK John L would sell those rare units. I don't think so. He has lots of stuff that you've not seen in pix. Hopefully one of our newest will call John and see what there might be. And also, those that are being considered for sale will most likely need to be restored.
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Post# 42182-7/18/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found a reference to the Vorwerk Thermomix machine while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuums.I am not sure if the Thermomix machine is distributed in the US-Is it-If it is who is the distributer?Sounds like an interesting machine.I haven't found a distributer for the Vorwerk vacuums here. I saw a Vorwerk upright vacuum and its attachments in the 1970's at a vac dealer in Wash DC area that was Star Vacuums.You could say it was a German equivelent of our Kirby.It could be configured like an upright vac or a canister.It had a cloth outer bag that used paper insert bags.Sounded like a nice machine.
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Post# 42183-7/18/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No-the Ronson machine are no longer built-unfortunate.I don't think the machine was originally intended for a lab-but I would imagine its glass jar could be run thru a steam autoclave without damage.Don't know if the blade assembly could withstand that-maybe so if you could cook in it.Waring makes a line of blenders and accesries for lab use.They could withstand steam or chemical autoclaving.They make explosion proof motor bases and controllers.They are VERY expensive-and have to be permently wired into the power circuit.Cords,plugs and outlets would defeat the explosion proof rating.They also make a line of mini containers and blades for grinding and chopping dry lab ingredeints and pills-these attachments would be handy for kitchen use as well!!One of the Waring blenders I have -in its instruction book-the machine has a SS container-if you are sending the container in for repairs-it has to have certification you sterilized it before they will work on it-if it was sent from a lab.You can see these things on their website.I think it was www.waringproducts.com. They make blenders for commercial cooking use as well.
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Post# 42184-7/18/2004-20:22 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: He's not getting rid of any of that stuff. He's selling a few Kenmore Combos, a GE Toploader or two, a few 50's and 60's top load kenmores, some 40in ranges. some are in working condition but most will need to be restored. These were supposed to be put on ebay but it has not happened yet.
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Post# 42185-7/18/2004-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The machine shown in your link is like the one I saw while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuum cleaners.Would like to know if there is a USA distributer for the Thermomix machine in the US.Sounds like a nice handy unit.
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Post# 42186-7/18/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE: Thats the truth for their vintage machines-Maytag wants you to buy one of their junky new machines.They don't want you to buy parts for their nicer older ones.
I am trying to find the website for the FF vacuums.Beleive they are still in business.I think the manufacturer name is different.I think its like "Eco vacuum cleaners" or Enviorn-vacuum cleaners"Its a company like that that makes the vacs under the FF name.Thats is what is shown on the nameplate on mine.Itsa still a DTD machine and think they are primarily marketed out in the Western area of the US. Mine has a dist name from Oklahoma.
How did your Mom trash her Filter Queen-Usually FQ's are pretty tough.Most vac techs at vacuum stores and repair outlets use an old FQ to clean customer machines brought in for repairs or maintenace checks.FQ's arent meant to pick up liquids(they don't have a ball valve inseert)I have seen one vac tech pick up very small amounts of glass cleaner he sprayed on a machine he was cleaning and then vac'ed up the dirty cleaner and dust into his old FQ machine under his bench.He empties it and replaces the filter cone daily.He gets a CASE of Filter cones for the machine.He just dumps it into his dumpster before closing for the day.
The hose bands for tying power nozzle cords are seen even on some machines today(usually commercial)My M1 NSS vac has it.I have a powernozzle for it.This so the same hose could be used for wet pickup.Its one of the OSHA regs for commercial vacs.NSS sells the same hose for M1 "Pigs" that are used on their wet pickup canister vacs.The powernozzle could be used with their "designer" line canisters-beleive they are availabe in wet or dry models.On current OSHA regs-hoses with embbed powernozzle cables cannot be used for wetpickup.You can take off the external powernozzle cables for wetpickup.
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Post# 42187-7/18/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: How does the Amway dealers work-Are they selling their products DTD?I am guessing they are knocking doors to sell their product lines.I have never been visited by an Amway salesman.I have known that they do sell cleaning products such as soaps,brushes,detergents,and their vacuums.Another suggestion on the vacs is a Tri-Star. Its is a new version of the IEC Compact vacuum.They are a division of the traditional electrolux-otherwards Aeros.The Tri-Stars are built in the Bristol Va plant. The newer Areos vacs are now built in a new factory near Dallas Tx.I think the Tri-Star is a FAR better machine.Love the Kirbys as well.
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Post# 42188-7/18/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: I forgot those machines were in John L's actual collection (the "keepers"). After reading the archives, I found out he's been collecting longer than any of the other members, so there must be many machines he's trying to find homes for.
--Austin
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Post# 42189-7/18/2004-21:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: Oooooooh....I might just have to call him up to see what he has.
--Austin
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Post# 42190-7/18/2004-21:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I've seen a few Vorwerk machines on eBay, and bid on one in California, but didn't win it. Even though it was made in Germany it was configured for 110V. Advance (think Carpetriever--the common 26" wide-area upright) makes the American equivalent of the Vorwerk machine--the Mighty Maid commercial upright, which is much easier to find.
--Austin
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Post# 42191-7/18/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well I know you guys are eagerly waiting to see this so I won't bore you with words. But first who can guess which machines I took home and which machines Greg took home?????
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Tulsa
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Post# 42192-7/18/2004-22:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: WOW!! You guys sure found some rarities!!! I'm drooling over the Hamilton, Wizard, TOL Kelvy, Thor Automagic, Norge set, WCI-60 with FAB-O rapid-advance timer, and...well just about ALL OF EM!!!
Congratulations Uni & Greg! BEAUTIFUL MACHINES! Uni I'm guessing you took the Thor, Norge set, Wizard, Hamilton, & TOL Kelvy. Just let us know which machines need homes!!!
--Austin
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Post# 42193-7/18/2004-22:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Looks like you guys struck the mother lode in Oklahoma-really neat machines you got-succesful hunt for you.Really liked the '56 Kenmore-the yellow Norges.and the clear top Hamilton.They all look in really good condition-good base for restoration.Too bad for that poor Kevinator you left-a guess something has to be sacrificed for the Krusher.Looked like many parts taken from it.Looked like one of the machines shown in the POD.
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Post# 42194-7/18/2004-22:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Speaking of Speed Queen I used an SQ Commercial coin-op set while in Austin this weekend. The washer, while a bit noisy, is a very fun & splashy machine if you can find & trip the hidden lidswitch!! After what seemed like an endless visual search after the first spin, I tilted the tub to the right, reached above the tub ring and felt the lever on the hinge that tripped it. Reached a little further, and POW! hit the bar that activated the fill. The lidswitch is a bit awkward to trip by hand, so I wouldn't recommend tripping it during spin. The circle-spray fill is similar to a 1-18 and fills the speckled porcelain tub to high level in under 2 minutes. Agitator is a 4-high-vane and has a long stroke which gives really good turnover for a straight-vane--I was really impressed. Cleaned a large load quite well. The dryer is super-fast for an electric (after using the crappy 90's Kenmore at a hotel in Abilene) and got done in 35 minutes. I've seen these mid 90's machines at really good prices on eBay, and I highly recommend both.
Btw, these machines have a black control panel w/red lettering and are usually found in beige.
--Austin
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Post# 42195-7/18/2004-22:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: GregM has a '57 Do-All-Dial Kelvy in better shape so I wouldn't feel too bad that the OK machine was krushed.
--Austin
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Post# 42196-7/18/2004-22:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Vorwek vac cleaning system I saw at that vac shop bore no resemblence to the Nilfisk-Advance commercial machines.Its like the Vorwerk vac are no longer dist to the USA.Defintely not like the 26 in wide vac.At one of the apartment buildings I lived at they had a wide sweep vac something like the 26 in Advance machine. The person using it liked the Kirbys better.They used to use Kirbys for the cleaning-I think it was Classic Omegas.I beleive the apartment house machine was A Pro-Vac.Was bright blue in color-the body and bag.I wonder if the older Vorwerk cleaning systems were sold DTD like Kirbys.I can't remember if the one I saw was new or used.At the time didn't ask.
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Post# 42197-7/18/2004-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: OOO, could there actually be hope there may be a GM Frigidaire in my future, even a matched set???
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Post# 42198-7/18/2004-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I used two types of SQ machines when I lived in the apartments.the first was when I moved there in 1973-the machines were turquoise in color and had the deep rinse-and locking lids in spin mode.Sometimes they would not unlock properly and you had to pry the lock device open with a screwdriver or a pocketknife to get your clothes-they were made under McGraw Edison.The later set-were around the mi 80's were Amana.They did not have the deep rinse.also no lid locks.Didn't miss the cover locks-but do miss the deep rinse!Both had the classic straight blade SQ agitators.Both types were pretty effective.
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Post# 42199-7/18/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No, no, no, the Mighty Maid was a compact, rugged commercial upright vacuum made by Advance that had the exact same setup as the Vorwerk. The small main motor was in the center, with a bar switch a bottom-fill bag, and a long handle extending out the top, and the nozzle had a separate motor for the brushroll. The nozzle was 12"--14" wide; I'm not sure of the exact length. I've heard good stories about the Mighty Maids, but even if they didn't clean well they sure are cute!
--Austin
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Post# 42200-7/18/2004-23:05 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I don't think I've EVER seen a 59 Norge washer or dryer. Those control panels were unrecognizeable to me.
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Post# 42201-7/18/2004-23:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I suppose that Kelvy will do its "Magic Minute" in washer heaven.-Its got all of those angel wings to wash!!If they use it-they will have to put back the agitator and other things.At how tough the old machines are--the krusher will have to get a good "bite" on that one.I can now remember-weren't there some film clips of his machine going?
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Post# 42202-7/18/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I am starting to wonder if those were like the ones my Mom had when I was just big enough to watch it work.I could vaguely reember that large black-agitator with the very large bottom vanes and the large vanes at the top.also the base blades had large holes in them.The machine had a metal lint dish.It looked like it was chromed alauminun or something.Would collect really large balls of lint.-And the agitator had the Burp-up action for the lint filter pan.Miss that machine.No one has those around here.Does that one have thig big agitator and the metal lint pan?Its a pretty color.
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Post# 42203-7/18/2004-23:18 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I believe by 1959 the burp-up agitator was common on most Norges. Someone correct me if I"m wrong.
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Post# 42204-7/18/2004-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes-the machine I saw would be a close resemblence to the Mighty Maid.the MM vac sounds like a version sold for commercial use.The one I saw had the motorised carpet nozzle-a non motorized floor nozzle and a hose that could be used with hand tools sort of like a Kirby.I think it even had some sort of wheeled base you could put the main body on so it would roll like a canister vac when used with the hose.The long handle could be removed for canister use as well.
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Post# 42205-7/18/2004-23:31 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (I'm speechless! (Almost) :-) )
MESSAGE: Wow! What incredible finds. I'm guessing that you (Bob) kept the Hamilton, the Wizard, the TOL Kelvinator(those dispensors are awesome!) and the Thor. I'm guessing the Greg took those yellow Norges and the Filtrators and maybe those matched customer imperial. (I'm sorry that you couldn't save that Kelvy, but it looks like it was in bad shape.)
Mike
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Post# 42206-7/18/2004-23:52 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: What a treat I just had to check for those pics 1 more time ...Goodnight all, have a great week. I just have to say what great pictures and thanks for taking the time to share them when you must be exhausted.alr2903, this should keep us busy with conversation for a while :-)
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Post# 42207-7/19/2004-00:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: A Western Auto Wizard Citation Imperial.. That's rare. Franklin mechanism I'm sure.
Those are nice machines. Is that Hamilton a Norge designed washer?
And no Kenmore 800s eh? Oh well, the search continues.
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Post# 42208-7/19/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: I found this website that carries Fairfax parts and accesries.
www.fairfaxer.com/products. Its Fairfax of Arkansas.Still looking for more info on these cool machines.
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Post# 42209-7/19/2004-00:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-the term "Disturbulator" was used with the roller brush agitators on Sanitaire and Eurika Upright vacuums.The bar was flat instead of cylindrical to allow for greater airflow.On one side of the bar was the beaters-the other side had the brush strips.The strips were replaceable.
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Post# 42210-7/19/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: But you say the one you saw in the Fisher Scientific catalog looks just like the Ronson machine, than this implies that the design was purchased from Ronson, only thing is, in that case, who's actually manufacturing it now?
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Post# 42211-7/19/2004-01:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Those machines are so rare, I probaby would've stripped it for parts right then and there, at least it could help save some other example. Some must die so taht others may live....
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Post# 42212-7/19/2004-01:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The lab catalog I have that has it dates from 1965.Got it from my high school!!
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Post# 42213-7/19/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Oh, THAT explains it!
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Post# 42214-7/19/2004-04:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Great finds, and some really unusual ones! Sure was worth the trip.... I need to think though, about who took home what.
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Post# 42215-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Jason, oh yeah very nice machines. Couldn't believe it when I saw that Wizzard. And near-sighted me, the very first pic of ALL of them in a row, I saw that Kelvi way in the distance and thought it could be a Kenmore 800.
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Post# 42216-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert this is real great. I love the Top Line Kelvinator. To bad the one with the do all dial was in bad shape. The wizard is interesting - what type of washer is that realy? I like the yellow norge set also.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 42217-7/19/2004-08:19 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: I would love to know who made the Wizard. I always thought Speed Queen, but then the ones I remember were not to dissimilar (at that time) to the old solid tub Philcos before the "Blades 'o Water agitator".I also thought Norge!
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Post# 42218-7/19/2004-08:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: UNBELIEVABLE !!! now that is the record high jackpot winning of all time .......... many congrads, glad to hear that they are being saved.
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Post# 42219-7/19/2004-10:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Yes, I looked at those control panels hoping to find the familiar grey panel and console light.
The Kelvy is fabulous. Window lid, dispensers. What more could you want?
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Post# 42220-7/19/2004-11:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Well, these are two very resourceful gentlemen we're talking about here. If there was anything usable in the machine they were able to access, I'm sure they have it with them.
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Post# 42221-7/19/2004-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well, I'm so pleased that your trip to Oklahoma was a success! What a beautiful lot of machines, and all in one place yet! Best of all, now you, Greg and everyone have living proof that window-lid Hamiltons really existed! :-)
The Norge set is especially interesting to me; I don't believe I have seen that style before, and of course the Wizard, which I don't believe we ever had Western Auto here, though they are as close as Iowa.
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Post# 42222-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: Amen! That was quite a production in such a little time, all those machines, all that driving and all these great photos!
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Post# 42223-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Is a "distribulator" kind of akin to a VibraGroomer I?
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Post# 42224-7/19/2004-11:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (What Fun! What Finds!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all of the pictures.
I am not good at the guessing game, but I must say what ever you decided to take home, it was worth it!
Fantastic machines!
My grandmother had that very Wizard washer. Very loud machine, but lasted forever.
I bet you guys had tons of fun, even though you really worked hard in such a short amount of time.
Brent
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Post# 42225-7/19/2004-11:47 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT:
Question
MESSAGE: Does anybody know about an email that mentions applianceville? It's one of those 41KB things, which smacks of a virus, so I didn't open it.
MEANWHILE...enormous congratulations on the Oklahoma find! I can't believe my home state had such a treasure trove and I didn't partake of it. *sigh* Any chance of a Kelvinator becoming for sale, so I can live the dream of centric agitation in this lifetime????
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Post# 42226-7/19/2004-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found the address of a US distributor for Vorwerk, but the system didn't let me post it. Follow the link to the website with the distributors. By using the top of the three menus you will get the address.
LINK: http://www.vorwerk.de/Wir_ueber_uns/Unsere_Laender/
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Post# 42227-7/19/2004-11:55 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: I found two Maytag washers for sale. I think they are from the 60's but I am unsure. How can I tell their age?
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Post# 42228-7/19/2004-12:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: Do you know the model numbers? I know some of the later 60s and 70s ones, while some others I'm sure would know some of the earlier ones. I recognize the earlier ones generally, but don't know the model nos. too well. If it has a sort of beveled control panel, it was made after 1966. The model nos. for those end in 06, 07, and 08, and were produced until about 1980.
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Post# 42229-7/19/2004-12:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question
MESSAGE: Lately I get all kind of mails that mention something familiar. It's like my mail is being scanned and then sent to me. Fortunately I'm well protected with two virusscanners and a firewall.
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Post# 42230-7/19/2004-12:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Oh my, what treasures you have found. It's kind of like finding the holy grail, isn't it.
As for the questions who took what, we can only guess what happens in the minds of two washernuts LOL. Here is my (wild) guess:
Robert: 1956 Kenmore, 1960 Custom Imperials, 1958 Filtrator, Hamilton (you have to after the long discussion about a window lid Hamilton), 1965 Custom Imperial and a WO-65-2
Greg: 1966 Kelvinator, 1957 Speed Queen, the Norge set, the Wizard, the 1967 Custom Imperial set and the other WO65-2
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Post# 42231-7/19/2004-12:10 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: One of them is a Model A103 or A104, I couldn't see it very clearly.
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Post# 42232-7/19/2004-12:23 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: The trip was obviously well worth it. TWO early 50's Frigies, a rare Hamilton top loader abd a Wizard. I believe they had Franklin trannies. A neighbor had one when I was a kid and the operation was sort of a cross between a Hotpoint & a Speed Queen.
My two favorites of your Oklahoma finds are the Norge set and the 57 Speed Queen. I hope one of you guys plan a good restoration on the vanilla Norge. As soon as you have a chance can we please see some pics of some of the interiors and timer controls?
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Post# 42233-7/19/2004-13:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Scott I immediately thought of you when I saw the windowed Hamilton. The case is NOW CLOSED!!!
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Post# 42234-7/19/2004-13:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: Sounds like 1968 to 1972 machines. My neighbor that had that Kenmore dryer (remember I said she ended up with a used Maytag)--her's is a 104. standard tub, 2-speed, and the "new" to Maytag Perm Press Cycle.
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Post# 42235-7/19/2004-13:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Lesto, I jknow we'll get interior and control panel pix when able. Robert & Greg know full-well that's what I have to see--the panels. LOL.
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Post# 42236-7/19/2004-14:11 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I don't know which ones you guys took home but I want to see that MIGHTY THOR in action!
Great finds gents!
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Post# 42237-7/19/2004-14:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (OK Norge)
MESSAGE: Doesn't the Norge set look like a couple machines that have come 'round on Pictures-of-the-Day? Firestone particularly comes to mind, and perhaps One-Minute Automatic.
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Post# 42238-7/19/2004-14:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the Thor Automagic looks like it will need a full restoration to bring back its full glory.
--Austin
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Post# 42239-7/19/2004-14:29 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: is there some place that I can find out this information? is there a collectors book for appliances with dates and values? do you think this washer would be worth buying?
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Post# 42240-7/19/2004-14:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Thanks - we did find some nice machines
WCI-60 has a standard hand-turn timer but is elevated to "glamour" status by the offset dial and knob. Frigidaire had only a couple of rapid-advance timer equipped machines, the '63 and the 1979 "Holy Grail of 1-18's"
Interestingly enough, the guy who had all these machines stored in three bays of an old strip-mall has the "Holy Grail" 1-18's in his house that he uses for his normal laundry.
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Post# 42241-7/19/2004-15:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (commercial SQ's)
MESSAGE: On my road trip south to OK, I drove some smaller highways and "back roads" to see what I could find. Lo and behold, I found a closed coin-laundry that was full of commercial Speed Queen solid-tub washers unhooked and scattered about the store plus a smattering of other home-style washers (early 70's Kenmore, a mid line 1-18 and a couple of GE BOL)
I got the owner's phone number and will call soon to see when I can go do a little more "hunting" for some commercial SQ parts (maybe a machine but I need that like a hole in the head) so I'll keep you posted on that as it develops.
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Post# 42242-7/19/2004-15:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: His isn't a Do-All Dial like this one in OK.
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Post# 42243-7/19/2004-15:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason -
That was a Franklin made Wizard - it should be fun to see that wash. Bruce in Oklahoma said was a very strong, fast stroke that washed very well.
Right again, that is a Norge built Hamilton - right about the same as Robert's '56.
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Post# 42244-7/19/2004-15:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: There were very few Kenmore machines, the only other "vintage" one besides the '56 we brought home was a Lady Kenmore from about 73-74ish with the keyboard buttons.
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Post# 42245-7/19/2004-15:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: This one was a Franklin. Some were made by Easy in the early days, then Franklin, and later model laundry appliances were made by Norge & Norge-tag.
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Post# 42246-7/19/2004-15:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I hadn't thought of that window lid Hamilton - you were right all along! There was also a later-style Hamilton dryer with the large D-shaped window in the door.
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Post# 42247-7/19/2004-15:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: How's the "status" of these machines so far? Have you or Robert tested any of them?
--Austin
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Post# 42248-7/19/2004-15:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: The only other time I saw a Wizard machine was in a POD.
--Austin
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Post# 42249-7/19/2004-15:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (What Fun! What Finds!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Brent (et al) it was a lot of fun. We worked our tails off getting everything out of this place that we wanted, plus rummaging for many, many parts. I brought home three washer-tubs crammed full of parts, some that I really needed and a number of fun agitators as well!
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Post# 42250-7/19/2004-15:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question (OK machines for sale?)
MESSAGE: There are many decisions and a great deal of work to be done on all of these machines and some may be available for sale at some point in the future...
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Post# 42251-7/19/2004-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Oh yay, a big button Sears! Is the 56 you found a fully or semi-automatic model?
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Post# 42252-7/19/2004-15:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: We plugged in a few in the garage last night and the ones with lights lit up and all the motors worked... Beyond that, a thorough going over will be necessary.
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Post# 42253-7/19/2004-15:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: The Sears Kenmore is fully automatic - the only semi-auto was the Thor.
The big-button Sears stayed behind...;-)
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Post# 42254-7/19/2004-15:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I'd say a "yay" for all of them; some of them looked like they wouldn't work and would need a full mechanical restoration. Cosmetically a paint job would be good for all.
--Austin
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Post# 42255-7/19/2004-16:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: That 56 Kenmore looks like a lower-end model than the frogeyes of the period. I'm dying to see some close-up shots of that vanilla Norge!
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Post# 42256-7/19/2004-16:47 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Wowie kazowie!!! Look at all those GM Frigidaires!!!! And a Thor! And yellow Norges! It must have felt like Chrsitmas when you guys first laid eyes on all those machines! Woohoo!!!Thanks for the pictures.
Rich
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Post# 42257-7/19/2004-16:55 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Yeah, you guys really got lucky on this trip, especially with Frigidaires. Too bad there wasn't a solid tub GE in the bunch. From the pics that 57 Speed Queen has a porcelin tub rather than a stainless steel. Was this a lower end model than the 58 of Robert's?
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Post# 42258-7/19/2004-16:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: There is a Maytag Collectors Club. Try www.maytagclub.com Post the question there.
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Post# 42259-7/19/2004-17:22 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT:
KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher (strange find)
MESSAGE: Hi Y'all,
I recently acquired (as of yesterday) a KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher, Model # KD66. How I got it was that a family down the street from a friend of mine had a yard sale that included it last Saturday. I drove by yesterday hoping it was still there, which it was and it was sitting on the curb. I went back when they were home and inquired about it. They told me that they got it for a couple of bucks for their daughter, but their daughter had a tiny kitchen and no place to keep it.
They had called the Council for the Blind to come and pick it up, but said that if I wanted it, I was more than welcome to have it for myself. Another friend of mine could really use a dishwasher for himself, so I figured I'd take it home and see if it still worked (which it did, I tried it out earlier).
There seems to be a leak somewhere under the machine, and I was curious if anyone would know where it would most likely leak from.
The top of the machine says KitchenAid Deluxe Portable, has the usual timer knob and has two buttons on it for Full Cycle and for Rinse and Hold. I could try and take some pics of it and post them if anyone would like to see it. Am not used to seeing a KitchenAid Portable, but was a lucky find.
Hope everyone is doing well and that everyone is also having a good summer! :-)
Bill
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Post# 42260-7/19/2004-17:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: The value of a classic/vintage appliance is largely the value you, the collector, put on it to acquire it. Particularly if a Maytag of taht era is something you experienced. I doubt there is a book per se (like the blue book value) having vintage appliance values.
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Post# 42261-7/19/2004-17:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: And did you tell that guy when he can no longer use or whatever that 1-18 set, we'd adopt it for the club ourselves/??
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Post# 42262-7/19/2004-18:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found the book in question-sorry my mistake-the catalog is a Fisher Scientific catalog#70-it dates from 1970.Was one of the ones I got from my high school.I was pretty good friends with my science teachers there.The machine appears on Pg#1011,item#14-509-30.I don't have ascanner.The machine is pictured,and says "Ronson" on the base of the blender.Has the coffe machine shaped glass jar.The machine has stir speeds and blend speeds.Sure wish I could get into a time machine and get one!!It sold for $89.95 in the catalog.Another weird thing the catalog is copyrighted 1972.-Even though its dated 1970.Shows the machine must have been made as late a 1972.They even comment the machine is ideal for macerating and homogenizing "soft Biological" specimens!They also say the unit is good for preparing culture growth mediums.Useful machine for the cook or mad scientist!
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Post# 42263-7/19/2004-19:03 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: It depends on what you're looking for. A Maytag model A104 isn't the fanciest Maytag built,and isn't really a collector piece yet,since there's about a zillion of them out there.
However,if you're looking for a solid built washer,that will probably last forever,be easy to work on,and do a good job on your laundry,I would buy it. How much are they asking?
kennyGF
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Post# 42264-7/19/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Found Roland Corp as the USA Dist. Carries the Vorwerk VK122 vacuum cleaning system. Like the one I saw almost 30 years ago!Similar type machine.Didn't find the Thermomix machine-will have to look more. they were out of stock on the vacuums.Didn't give a price on the vacuum.Would have to guess Roland must sell the machines to local dealers.
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Post# 42265-7/19/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: I don't know of a book listing appliance values either. You can find books listing values of appliances such as radios,fans and lamps.I would guess its because these are more commonly collected than large appliances.Sometimes you may see a few listings for large appliances such as fridges or ranges in kitchen collector books ar magazines. Sometimes find kitchen collectable books and bookstores like Barnes and Noble.Also found books on Radios and lamps there.As Appnut would say-and like other things-its value to you and what you could pay for it.I just keep searching the used stores and swap shops here.
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Post# 42266-7/19/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: In looking on the web-it sounds like "disturbulator" must be the name given to a replaceable beater bar used on the "Vibragroomer"_ You Eureka experts out there please correct if I am wrong.I see both terms used in Eureka parts lists.
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Post# 42267-7/19/2004-20:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Eureka used two kinds of brush rolls for the upright vacuum. The higher end models used a metal brush roll called the Vibragroomer while the lower end models used a wooden brush roll called the Disturbulator. Later models of the Vibragroomer was called Vibragroomer II.
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Post# 42268-7/19/2004-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I also found a distributer for the Thermomix machine.May give him a call and see what is all about.-sounds like they will send a salesperson to your home and demo the machine--like a DTD vacuum cleaner.-A DTD cooking and food preparation system.Somethin g new to me.Also found Vorwerk Kobold-a line of vacuum cleaners,and Vorwerk Feelina-Clothes irons.Sounds like vorwerk is a large appliance builder headquartered in Wuppertal Germany.
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Post# 42269-7/19/2004-20:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Am I right the Vibragroomer roller was not cylindrical in crosssection so as to allow greater airflow?its like one one side was a beater bar-on the other a brush strip.The brushes were replaceable.The Vibragroomer was made of aluminum.Do they use it in both their upright vacs(Sanitaires) and canister power nozzles?I am trying to get more famaliar with these-I am a Kirby and Tri-Star man.I have a wide sweep vac under the name Euroclean-But built by Eureka.Its like the wide sweep Sanitaire-has the wooden brush roller,and a cloth dump bag.It does have the "Quick Clean" lexan fan and fancase like the Quick Clean Sanitaires.Got the machine from a dealer that was no longer carrying the Euroclean line.
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Post# 42270-7/19/2004-21:15 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (WOW!!!)
MESSAGE: It's been a while since I've been on the site, and what a great homecoming ... what an awesome find!!! Congrats guys on a great discovery! Glad to see that there are still a few more treasures out there. You two guys are my washing machine idols!!!! Thanks for the pics! Hello to everyone!
Todd
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Post# 42271-7/19/2004-22:01 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: I've not heard of Franklin before. Could you get me up to speed on who this company was? Who else did they build for? I don't remember anything under that name. I remember the Wizards very well as there was an Economy Auto (or was it Western Auto) store close to where we lived and I would wander into see the demos. My oldest friends Grandmother had one that lasted seemingly forever!
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Post# 42272-7/19/2004-22:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: You boys have outdone yourselves again! CONGRATULATIONS on your finds!!! Can't wait to see the Norge set restored and washing and drying again....and that windowed machine!!! CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN!!! Mark
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Post# 42273-7/19/2004-22:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher (strange find) (leak)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, can you take off the back access panel and watch the machine while it is hooked up and running ?? the leak could be from hose clamp connections at the drain solenoid, or where the fill connects. Could also be leaking around the detergent cup coming through the back wall, or around the motor at the bottom itself, (that would be the last place I would suspect, but still possible) ......... let me know what you find out :) --gregm
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Post# 42274-7/19/2004-22:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: All I know is that the Franklin design became "cheap" in the 80's, with plastic-indexing-tub washers. Someone mentioned that changing the drive belt on one of these was a real *****...not at all easy LOL
--Austin
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Post# 42275-7/19/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, I arrived home in Minneapolis about 4pm today and after a well deserved rest, I brought the first machine into the basement for testing, the rest are going into storage for a bit, one machine at a time is all I can take at the moment.
So the first machine to enter the basement is the Wizard Citation. Cosmetically is sort of a pig right now, but hopefully it should clean up a bit, its probably the worst machine cosmetically of the entire bunch. But I primed the pump with very hot water and to my surprise no leaks what so ever so I gave it a test run, it seems to work perfectly! WOW is it ROUGH! I have never seen a washer with a combination of such a wide agitator stroke and at such a high speed oscillation speed. it’s very splashy to say the least. What also surprised me is it uses the exact same clutch as in the ‘59 Automagic, so when it goes into spin at first it sounds exactly like the Philco. There must have been a manufacturer that made just clutches for the washer industry. Another interesting thing is its spray rinse consists of four 7-second spray rinses! Where have we seen that before??? And yes, not that you have to ask, but the tub does index just like a WCI machine as its nearly the same transmission, but in its very early beginnings! Very fun machine to say the least.
Here are the very first pictures of an early Franklin designed washer in action ever broadcasted across the internet…
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD
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Post# 42276-7/19/2004-22:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
my new finds but NOT OKLAHOMA
MESSAGE: I drove through this small town in western MA a couple weeks ago and saw this old, appliance store, the sign was old and worn and I saw some old appliances in a heap way out back. I took note of the name and said to myself "Nah, I am so out of room and money" then after reading the posts and seeing the phenomenal finds of Greg and Robert that I had to go back to this store and ask him if he had any old washers around, well he said that whole warehouse out back is full of stuff. He did not mind showing me at all and the lighting was poor, but this place is packed with mostly 60's and 70's washers. Ironically all or most are MOL, no TOL's in sight. But I did or will be picking up three Norge washers and a turquoise SQ coin-up washer ........ I'll tell ya, this guy did not want to just give them away either .......... but they are not nearly as wonderful as the finds in OK, but nevertheless, I am thrilled to save some more machines and I will probably sell one or two of the Norges. One of them is a 20lb-er from the 70's I think. It says Norge by Fedders on it. The other two are Borg-Warner machines. Those guys claimed that Norge quality went to crap when the consoles became slanted with silver backings, he showed me one of them. Will post pics at some point ..............
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Post# 42277-7/19/2004-22:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: How cool! Boy that thing really appears to move water! It has kind of a neat control panel, sort of reminds me of a Frigidaire.
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Post# 42278-7/19/2004-22:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: WOW, great pics Robert, my favorite is # 5, I love the "still" effect of the water, that is a very, very cool pic, almost like art, well at least to me ......... hehehe, anyways, very, very exciting, are you sure the clutch is not stuck in spin??? explaining the fast agitation .... hehehehe, you know I am kidding of course .........
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Post# 42279-7/20/2004-05:06 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: The armorial in the Launderall ad looks like the one used by Kelvinator later in the decade. Did Jacobs come to form part of AMC/ABC/Kelvinator?
Peter
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Post# 42280-7/20/2004-06:20 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new finds but NOT OKLAHOMA
MESSAGE: What a field trip! I can't wait to see the pix!
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Post# 42281-7/20/2004-06:23 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Wonderful pix! Can you imagine the amount of suds this would kick up with the old formulae Tide or Wisk! Does it have a fast spin?
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Post# 42282-7/20/2004-06:30 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Foraloysrus
MESSAGE: Just a note to verify you recieved my e-mail!
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Post# 42283-7/20/2004-06:41 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (Brought back memories!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for the pictures of your new Wizard!
My grandmother had this exact washer! I remember the sounds it would make very well. I also remember that I would walk into her washroom and open the top to sneek a peek and would always get something splashed in my face. I would have to tippy-toe to get a look see, and was level with the water splash. Did you find the machine to be loud? I remember it being very loud, but very different sounding than most washers when agitating. Also, did it have a spin brake? For some reason I remember it coasting to a stop, and taking forever to do so.
I bet it will be interesting to fill her up with clothes and see them dance!
Thanks for the pictures.
Fun machine.
Brent
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Post# 42284-7/20/2004-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Incredible - what a great show! Glad to hear it was working perfectly, hope some of the others will too...
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Post# 42285-7/20/2004-08:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (WHAT?)
MESSAGE: You didn't save the Lady? :-(
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Post# 42286-7/20/2004-08:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (The wizard still makes magic)
MESSAGE: WOW. That's actually an action I've never witnessed before because my great grandmother's machine (like the Wizard) wouldn't even fill when I lifted the lid :-( . I seem to remember it overfilled and would splash water out of the machine. Now I know why.
How about a video of it washing and switching into spin.
Is that a solid tub or perforated? It's hard to tell in the pics.
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Post# 42287-7/20/2004-09:33 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: they are asking $50.00 each. I think they are worth that, do you agree?
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Post# 42288-7/20/2004-09:45 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: If you bought those machines for $50 each and put another $75 in parts (tub seal, belts, etc...) you would have machines that would go another 25 to 30 years! It's a GREAT buy!
Mark
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Post# 42289-7/20/2004-09:45 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Totally amazed at all the new treasures, although I would have taken the Do all dial Kelvinator home too. What the heck, it looked lonely! On the Wizard though, why would it need an indexing tub? There are no vanes on it, unless it counteracts some of the wild wash action. The double vanes on the agitator look like they'd sand the paint off wood, so you can imagine what they'd do to clothing. Robert, do you do anything to the agitators when you restore them to bring back their original luster? Jerry
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Post# 42290-7/20/2004-09:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: What a fun machine, Robert! I wonder why it was tossed out since it still runs so well. Does it have a spin brake or does it coast to a stop? One of my boyhood pal's mom had a Wizard that was probably 4 or 5 years older than this one and it ran for many years. It had the same agitator and angled fill as this machine but an entirely different control panel - in the turquoise and white design that was so popular in late 50's & early 60's. And hers did not have a spray rinse during the first spin cycle. It did however slowly coast to a stop and the rinse water would start long before the tub stopped spinning.
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Post# 42291-7/20/2004-10:05 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
Wizard
MESSAGE: Does this machine have a timed fill? The earlier model of my neighbor's did. In fact, the lettering for the two cycles (normal and short) was very similar to the timer panel on your 58 Speed Queen.
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Post# 42292-7/20/2004-10:12 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
Vanilla Norge
MESSAGE: Does this machine have the same agitator as the 56 timeline or is it a burpulator?
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Post# 42293-7/20/2004-10:24 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Wizard .......
MESSAGE: What year model do you think this machine is?
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Post# 42294-7/20/2004-10:26 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Vanilla Yellow Norge
MESSAGE: What a great color! It's so much nicer than the pinks & turquoise of the day, although they weren't bad either, but the yellow is something else!
Jerry
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Post# 42295-7/20/2004-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Foraloysrus (no mail)
MESSAGE: No, I didn't receive any mail from you. I have sent you a mail now, just reply to it. Hope this works out.
Louis
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Post# 42296-7/20/2004-10:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: OK, wrong on one machine LOL. That washer sure knows how to splash up the water. I assume it had a delicate cycle too? The Oklahoma pictures are just too far away to read the text on the control panel. I bet you know now what kind of favor I'm asking...?
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Post# 42297-7/20/2004-10:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: The Citation does look quite fun!! Considering the agitator style & similar parts, I wonder if the pre-Automagic Philco machines agitate the same way? And I thought an SQ had a quick sudsy stroke...time to add some Tide to see what Mr. Wizard can really do!! Can't wait to see a maiden load video; I bet it cleans amazingly!
Cosmetically I wouldn't say it's the
worst looking machine; the Thor Automagic takes the credit for that in my opinion. I'm still surprised it ran so wonderfully since all of them looked like they needed work. With the exception of the rust on the bottom left of the control panel it will probably clean up easily.
--Austin
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Post# 42298-7/20/2004-10:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: The control panel says "Two speed five cycle", but I can't tell which buttons/knobs are for water level, temperature, & speed.
--Austin
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Post# 42299-7/20/2004-10:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Ah, the indexing tub! Franklin's gift to washing machines! The Franklin didn't have a certain spring in the transmission to prevent the indexing, so all Franklin decendants did this, smooth tub not withstanding.
The agitator looks small to me compared to the size of the tub. Do we think this might be the case due to the fast stroke? I find it interesting that the agitator has 4 vanes when later ones (Kelvinator) had 5.
-ph
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Post# 42300-7/20/2004-11:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Who took which machines, who took the Royalclene, and what is Greg smoking in picture 5? The celebratory victory weed? ;)
Did you guys didn't get a complete inventory of the place? Would love to know what is left behind...
-ph
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Post# 42301-7/20/2004-11:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: And is it just me, or is the Royalclene missing its window?
--Austin
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Post# 42302-7/20/2004-11:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Pass the weed, start the Wizard and let's do a load. :)
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Post# 42303-7/20/2004-12:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (The wizard still makes magic)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, its a solid tub washer, YAY! This one does not have any safety lid switch what so ever, but it does have an unbalance switch with buzzer!
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Post# 42304-7/20/2004-12:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, the Wizard tub indexes during agitation because Franklin was too cheap to design a tub brake, so it also coasts to a stop after spin.
To be honest, I've not really done anything special to bring bakelite agitators back to their original luster.
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Post# 42305-7/20/2004-12:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: No Franklin machine ever had a brake, thats why the WCI-Franklin design today uses a lid lock!
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Post# 42306-7/20/2004-12:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wizard
MESSAGE: No there is a float in the outer tub, when a few gallons overflows it trips the switch and agitation begins.
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Post# 42307-7/20/2004-12:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: It's a burpulator!
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Post# 42308-7/20/2004-12:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (For you Louis, anything :))
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, for you anthing, but I want to wait to take pictures of the control panel until after I clean it up and replace the bulb, hopefully tonight. Stay tuned.
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Post# 42309-7/20/2004-12:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: Nope, completely different transmission, the only similiarity to the Automagic Philco is the clutch.
And no cosmetically the Thor is in better shape than the Wizard.
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Post# 42310-7/20/2004-12:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I will be interesting to see it run with clothes in the tub, it looks like its got to be rough on the clothes. Only the Cotton/Linens and Soak cycle have high speed agitation, the rest thankfully are in low speed.
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Post# 42311-7/20/2004-13:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: We got everything that is worth getting, the only other choice dryer was a 1960 TOL Norge Dryer like in the gas company POD. It was so buried we couldn't get to it though. Everything else for the most part is mostly 80's and newer.
There was one Lady Kenmore and a couple of reversing motor Speed Queens.
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Post# 42312-7/20/2004-13:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: From your previous post I assume you are now the owner of the Thor. Doesn't it have a 6-vane agitator, and was there an optional dishwasher attachment?
--Austin
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Post# 42313-7/20/2004-13:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: And no, I'm not starting off the bids at $900, a little more realistic...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6109239030
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Post# 42314-7/20/2004-13:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: Yes it has the 6 vane agitator, no unfortunately I'm still on the lookout for the dw attachment.
I'll work on that after the Norge and Kelvinator, I'll keep posting pictures as I go along.
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Post# 42315-7/20/2004-13:23 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Thanks for posting the Wizard pictures! Those waves of water look like tsunamis. Ha!
I remember coming across a Wizard being stored in someone's garage many years ago that was probably close in age to your machine...similar looking control panel, but it was not top of the line. In fact, it only had two water temps - hot or warm. Strange thing was it did have four speed combinations!
OK...spill the beans...who took what??? :-)
Rich
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Post# 42316-7/20/2004-13:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That would make a great replacement for a DD Kenmore ;-)...
Who could resist such a great price if they lived near you??
--Austin
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Post# 42317-7/20/2004-13:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: TOL machine, mid-70's with Penta-Swirl agitator. Harvest gold; some fire damage on front. Worked fine prior to being stored. Would make a great candidate for a cosmetic restoration.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3688679390
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Post# 42318-7/20/2004-14:02 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Robert, how I wish we lived closer to one another. I'd love that SQ but getting it from Minneapolis to Atlanta would probably cost me a fortune if even physically possible. Brent and I are definitely at a disadvantage being so far away down here in the deep south.
Oh how I miss having a solid tub machine.
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Post# 42319-7/20/2004-14:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (The poor dear :-()
MESSAGE: She's got 2nd and 3rd degree burns. Looks painful. If she were anywhere drivable distance from New Orleans, I'd go get her.
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Post# 42320-7/20/2004-14:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: I wish I would've met you all there because that Lady would've been mine.
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Post# 42321-7/20/2004-14:25 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (Time to Diversify!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
As you know, I am a Frigidaire man at heart. But everyone has been after me to collect some other makes and models, so if my other half will let me (and boy will this cost me), I'll put in a bid tonight. Again, congratulations to you and Greg for the great finds!
Rich
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Post# 42322-7/20/2004-14:25 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (The poor dear :-()
MESSAGE: I agree, I feel very sorry for her. I hope that someone can save her. I hope that she didn't get much smoke damage. It might be VERY hard to get the smell out and it might be deposited on every load of wash. :-(
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Post# 42323-7/20/2004-14:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation (For you Louis, anything :))
MESSAGE: Robert, you're a doll!!
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Post# 42324-7/20/2004-15:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Well Robert Seger!!! Have I ever!!! Are you selling my favourite washer in your collection???? The washer I did my laundry in at the 2001 Convention??? How can you!!! (Hands on hips, tapping with right foot) I think you are making the wrong decision here!!! There is no other solution then traveling to Vancouver sometime to do laundry!!!
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Post# 42325-7/20/2004-15:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Correction: it worked until the kitchen fire, then it was stored. The pictures only show the damage on the front, but I can imagine there is also damage done at the inside.
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Post# 42326-7/20/2004-15:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Not to mention damage to the motor, pump, & wiring as well...
--Austin
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Post# 42327-7/20/2004-17:13 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: COOOL, It's in Connecticut. Anthony, you and I should make a joint effort ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Post# 42328-7/20/2004-17:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: And I didn't even get to see that one run cuz I think it mostly was run Fri. evening. :-(
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Post# 42329-7/20/2004-17:35 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Well! This time I'm waiting until the LAST second to bid! (LOL)Mark
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Post# 42330-7/20/2004-17:41 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Great finds, that agitation looks very powerful to say the least,..does anyone know who offered the largest capacity solid tub machine?
Pat
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Post# 42331-7/20/2004-17:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Speed Queen in the 70's (maybe late 60's) offered large capacity solid tubs; their solid-tub machines were produced until 1980. The last Hotpoint solid-tubs (1976?) held a 16 lb. load.
--Austin
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Post# 42332-7/20/2004-17:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: I wouldn't consider this SQ as a rare machine so I don't think the price will go up
that much...;-)
--Austin
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Post# 42333-7/20/2004-18:06 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin.I guess with the relatively smallish agitator that the wizard has,it appears the tub is large.Those vanes look high on the skirt,so this seems to cause much turbulence.
I bet low water level washing you would need scuba gear.LOL
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Post# 42334-7/20/2004-18:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: I must admit the tub does look large, and probably is, but I don't remember what the capacity was in the POD machines.
--Austin
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Post# 42335-7/20/2004-18:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Just wondering, does this have the familiar "groan" of the WCI machines? I distinctly remember this sound with our '86 Westy, especially during fast agitaton.
--Austin
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Post# 42336-7/20/2004-19:04 ||| Cobysfund (Modesto, CA)
SUBJECT:
GE Rotary Ironer
MESSAGE: I have a General Electric Rotary Ironer I am trying to get more info on. The catalog # is AR61 A
Serial # 2873530R
This thing is HUGE! On a stand with wheels
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Post# 42337-7/20/2004-20:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Smoking?? ME???? I was talking on the phone with my son back home!
Goodness me! You'll tarnish my lily white reputation...
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Post# 42338-7/20/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Fill'er up and blaze a fattie...
Sounds like a wash-in to me!
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Post# 42339-7/20/2004-21:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines? HeeHeeHee!)
MESSAGE: I promise not to break anything!
Or eat and drink too much!
Oh what the heck?!
Brent
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Post# 42340-7/20/2004-21:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (I beg to disagree)
MESSAGE: Austin,
I consider any SQ with the selenoid spin and drain a rare machine! You don't see this wonderful machine very much. Not to mention solid tubs in general.
If you come across a few, buy them up. Collectors will pay the price.
Brent
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Post# 42341-7/20/2004-21:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: you can get a shipping quote from Craters and Freighters online - it's probably less than you'd think. Prices for shipping have stabalized in the last couple of years.
LINK: http://www.cratersandfreighters.com/
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Post# 42342-7/20/2004-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (Time to Diversify!)
MESSAGE: Good for you Rich - you deserve it!
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Post# 42343-7/20/2004-21:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Hopefully you're the only one! Perhaps it's best for you to keep these sort of comments to yourself rather than risk offending someone in the future...
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Post# 42344-7/20/2004-21:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Ok, here are my treasures...the rest went home with Robert.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@1967%20Frigidaire%20Custom%20Imperial@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 42345-7/20/2004-21:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: I changed the number ordering around, one machine got lost in the album for a while!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=31@1956%20Kenmore%20Washer@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 42346-7/20/2004-21:34 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: Greg, congrats on some great finds. Real nice machines...Rich
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Post# 42347-7/20/2004-21:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: If anyone was/is offended it was unintentional. What I meant to say was that a solid-tub SQ isn't quite as rare as a Philco!
--Austin
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Post# 42348-7/20/2004-21:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Fab timers! Machines look great under the fluorescent panel lights, especially the Frigidaires, and all of them will DEFINITELY clean up wonderfully!
I assume Robert took the Royalclene dry-cleaning tumbler?
--Austin
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Post# 42349-7/20/2004-22:25 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
42273, KA leak help for Bill-MO
MESSAGE: Bill, I am surprised that there is no separate panel in the back that you take off, there definately should be, the back panel does wrap around the machine on each side by about three inches, I think ......... and the screws are on the sides ....
I would not be surprised at all if water is leaking around the blower/fan housing from inside the tub, whereas you say this is very loose, I am not familiar with this but I could only assume that whatever gasket being cork and/or rubber that goes around where the blower goes up inside the tub is gone or maybe some type of clamp is missing ?? But that is probably where your leak is coming from and running down the underside of the tub and down the motor ........... anyone else have any input ??
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Post# 42350-7/20/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Does the Royalclene dry cleaner need three phase power-what type dry clean chemical does it use?
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Post# 42351-7/20/2004-22:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Did it come with its lint pan?
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Post# 42352-7/20/2004-22:40 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (Wonderful!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg and Robert, I just got back on line after a computer problem and what fun to see all the treasures you guys got this past weekend. It must have seemed just like Christmas. I am so happy for you both and will look forward to seeing these wonderful machines at some point. Thanks so much for sharing. Terry
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Post# 42353-7/20/2004-22:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (price, huh ??)
MESSAGE: $75.00 ?????, good luck ........
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Post# 42354-7/20/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: You can still go and get the lady Jason if you really want it, we didn't even open the lid as its buried in a bunch of stuff so I can't say what kind of condition its in.
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Post# 42355-7/20/2004-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Well your majesty, you can put in a royal bid. If you win I will personally put in on the Queen Mary and give it pretty colored streamers for it to throw off the boat as the ship's whistle blows and it pulls out of Minneapolis harbor setting sail for Europe.
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Post# 42356-7/20/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines? HeeHeeHee!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like we need to make an Agi-bong!
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Post# 42357-7/20/2004-22:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Yay, thanks Greg, now everyone knows who got what. Boy I think every machine you took lights up (with a light bulb that is).
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Post# 42358-7/20/2004-22:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Hi Rex, the sign said Perc, yuk that stuff is really scary.
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Post# 42359-7/20/2004-22:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: No, but I have one in the parts room, ready to wash.
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Post# 42360-7/20/2004-23:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Tonight I scrubbed the control panel of the Wizard, I also cleaned the surrounding chrome and I replaced the two incandescent control dial lights which was like putting lipstick on a pig, as the machine is in rough shape cosmetically and I’m not sure if it was ever that pretty to begin with.
Well that Wizard is quite the washer. I washed the first real load in it tonight. I’m shocked at how much drama there is in the wash cycle, I would have never expected that out of a Franklin machine and oh my goodness does it like to use water, I love that! It really beats the clothes and the tub index so violently that it throws water over the top of the tub continuously! I just love that too!
Check out this rather unusual cycle:
Metered Fill with Hot water
6 Minutes of Wash
1 Minute of Replenishment Fill/Agitation (to replace all the water its splashed over the top of the tub and down the drain)
6 More minutes of Wash beatings
Pause
4 Minutes of spin with 1 minute of 4 seven second spray rinses using HOT WATER
Pause
Metered Fill with cold water
1 Minute Rinse agitation
3 (yes I said 3) minutes of full water pressure overflow rinse!
1 Minute more Rinse agitation
Pause
6 Minutes of Final Spin with 1 minute of 4 seven second HOT WATER spray rinses, just to be sure!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=08@Controls%20with%20light%20(Lipstick%20on%20a%20Pig).jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD
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Post# 42361-7/20/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Did Norge ever use metal lint pans in their "burpilator" washers?I vaguely remember from my youth long-long ago A Norge "burpilator" machine in our family that had a metal lint filter that was chromed.The machine looked very much like the yellow one you found.1959-would be from about that era.
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Post# 42362-7/20/2004-23:23 ||| Derrek17 (Huntsville,AL)
SUBJECT:
Looking for1960 Frigidaire custom Imperial washer & dryer
MESSAGE: I am looking for a 1960 Frigidaire (WCI-60) washer and dryer -working or not working. My grandmother had this set in a pale yellow when I was growing up. I guess it is a childhood thing but would love some information or location of someone willing to sell me this set or could possibly point me in the correct location. Any help would be appreciated ! If anyone can help me -please email me at derrekcouch@yahoo.com or Hsvboy41@aol.com
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Post# 42363-7/20/2004-23:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Alternatively, Your Majesty, we could arrange to chaperone your new treasure en route to Europe. The tossing of streamers will take place and be encouraged in all events.
QEOM
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Post# 42364-7/20/2004-23:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: LOL what a great analogy. That is an unusual cycle sequence, although looking at the lid the programs are somewhat unconventional as well. I would love, love, love those hot water spray rinses!
I would have expected #1 to have a warm rinse, with #2 being cold, and #2 to be normal rather than slow agitation. I probably would have added another wash and wear button, one with hot and one with warm wash, and made the delicate cycle a warm wash, particularly since there is a separate cold water option on the panel. Oh well, I guess one would get to do a lot of button pushing to get the combination of speeds and temps they wanted! Looking at #6, I guess it's one of those machines that you push the button wherever along the way to kill the fill for a smaller load.
I'm sure it is a lot of fun to watch, and I bet it would have been a great selection at the time for someone with a lot of sturdies, work clothes and the like. I bet it does great with whites too!
All in all, I would say this particular unit has turned out to be far more interesting and entertaining than anyone would have bargained for, save perhaps for Brent, who had seen one before!
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Post# 42365-7/21/2004-00:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Excellent pics - looks like a fun cycle to watch.
CR for 1966:
WIZARD Cat. No. 2634 (Western Auto Supply Co., Kansas City, MO.), $198.88 Failure to unplug machine before replacing incandescent lamps that illuminate timer exposes user to same hazard as described for the Easy WA-222, preceding; same condition for Acceptability applies. Except for this deficiency, would be ranked in last position among Acceptable models. Washing ability, somewhat better than that of most other models tested. Judged to be able to take somewhat larger load than most other machines tested. Poor in sand disposal; sand deposited on clothes in subsequent loads. Relatively large amount of linting. Water extraction, poorest among machines tested. Has short cycle for delicate fabrics. Hot wash with cold rinse available at normal speeds or with normal agitation and slow spin; warm wash and rinse only with slow agitation and normal spin; cold wash and rinse for all speed combinations. What CU considers an optimum program for many wash-and-wear items cannot be preset; machine lacks inflow of cold water at end of wash to cool clothes before spin. For partial fill, user must push button when fill reaches desired level. Has combination lint filter and fabric-softener dispenser, the latter defective in CU's sample; emptied in to tub during wash instead of rinse, but deficiency was easily corrected by smoothing edges of opening through which fluid flows. Buzzer sounds when unbalance switch operates. No safety switch to stop machine if lid is opened during spin. At end of spin, took about 1 min. to come to a stop-a possible annoyance. Lid hinged at left side; can be reversed to open from other side. Service access from front for many components.
49 gal. total water usage, 44 min. cycle time
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Post# 42366-7/21/2004-00:28 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Video?!)
MESSAGE: That DOES look like a lot of washing and rinsing drama! Any chance of a video of all that action?
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Post# 42367-7/21/2004-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Did I miss a "1" cycle position on the dial? couldn't find one. Found 2-6.
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Post# 42368-7/21/2004-00:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Looked up "perc" yes it is bad stuff.I would suppose thats how you could of ended up with the machine-a cast off from a dry cleaner switching over to other equipment.Would make an interesting addition to your collection though.Sounds like its possible the dry cleaner sent the machine to the place where you got it from.
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Post# 42369-7/21/2004-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Bob, I think I can see the no. 1 under the red pointer. He must have just started the cycle when the picture was taken.
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Post# 42370-7/21/2004-04:34 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Don't worry Louis, my A-49 will always be here and you're more than welcome to use it anytime. Mine is a quieter Canadian model but don't let that fool you.
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Post# 42371-7/21/2004-04:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
OK
MESSAGE: So what's the time limit on geting stuff out of there before it's trashed in case some of us might want to try and rescue additional stuff?
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Post# 42372-7/21/2004-08:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link! This is very helpful.
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Post# 42373-7/21/2004-08:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Beautiful Frigies! It's great that all the lights are working. Is that the 56 Oklahoma Kenmore I see behind one of the Frigidaires?
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Post# 42374-7/21/2004-09:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Agi-bong)
MESSAGE: HAHAHA!!! I like the sound of that, Robert! The red coronado would make a fabulous looking agi-bong if it didn't look so great in the 58 SQ.
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Post# 42375-7/21/2004-09:07 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: HOT spray rinses? How unusual. Especially for the final spin. Nothing like a tub full of hot, damp clothes to load into the dryer. The rinse cycle is the same on my mom's 63 (?) Hotpoint we had when I was a boy. This is going to be a fun machine for you. Not a good washer to use during water restrictions but you certainly won't have any detergent residue in the clothes.
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Post# 42376-7/21/2004-09:26 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Speaking of the Queen Mary , I would be honored to accompany the Speed Queen on her trip to Europe. Someone will need to escort her to the Ballroom and the Dining Room. Oh to be back on board Queen Mary2 again. :-)
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Post# 42377-7/21/2004-10:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Dadoes has some movies of it. And I assume you saw the video that Robert made too?
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Post# 42378-7/21/2004-10:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Lily white? Hmmm, that must have taken quite a bit of bleach!
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Post# 42379-7/21/2004-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. The 1960 Frigidaire set has almost as much chrome on it as our 1960 Impala had. BTW, do you have more Frigidaires now than Robert has?
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Post# 42380-7/21/2004-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I was only right about the Hamilton, the Thor and the 1967 Frigidaire set. As I said, who knows what is going on in the heads of two washer nuts LOL
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Post# 42381-7/21/2004-11:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Thank you so very much for the pictures. I love the drama too!!
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Post# 42382-7/21/2004-11:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Alas, if I had the money for shipping it overhere the next problem would occur at the frontdoor of my bijou apartment. This European apartment definitely is to small for putting up an American sized washer. It's already a miracle that I got in 6 European sized ones, albeit some of them are compacts.
BTW, the Queen Mary 2 arrived in Rotterdam yesterday.
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Post# 42383-7/21/2004-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, Our Royal thank you for the kind offer, but unfortunately we cannot take you up on it. Ofcourse the SQ would be chaperoning You!
QLOTOC
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Post# 42384-7/21/2004-11:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Oh Eddy, that is very nice of you!!! And ofcourse yours has the stainless steel tub too!!
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Post# 42385-7/21/2004-11:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Oh my, more offers!! It might become pretty crowded with chaperones overhere!!
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Post# 42386-7/21/2004-11:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Yes Rex, this model does use the rare Norge metal filter pan.
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Post# 42387-7/21/2004-10:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: 49 Gallons? Wow, I knew it used a lot of water, but really! Gotta love that. I'm surprised about the water extration rating, they seemed dry to me, the spin speed looked like it was up over 600rpm. That is my model though, the FRA-2634. The tag says "Manufactured For Western Auto Supply Company, Kansas City, MO".
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Post# 42388-7/21/2004-11:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Maybe I'll use the Wizard to make our first web server fee fund raising DVD. With a DVD you can see the whole cycle from start to finish and will be much clearer and larger seeing it on a television set than a little video on a computer screen.
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Post# 42389-7/21/2004-11:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK
MESSAGE: If you want a 1975 Lady Kenmore with missing parts, we can certainly arrange having it shipped to Los Angeles for you.
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Post# 42390-7/21/2004-11:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: I know I was very surprised at the Hot spray rinses, even after a cold rinse. It was fun to see the steam being thrown off of the agitator, although I could do without the extra steam in July, in January its going to feel really good.
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Post# 42391-7/21/2004-10:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: That would be awesome, Robert! Any chance I can persuade you to make DVD's of some of your other machines with the full-cycles? Maybe thro in a shot or two of the timers as well. I'd collect the entire series for sure! Since I can't have the actual machines this would be a nice consolation. I hope you're really serious about this.
Les
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Post# 42392-7/21/2004-11:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesto, no I'm very serious about this. With all the traffic we're getting the web site is starting to get more expensive to operate so I would like to try and recoup some of that cost. I figured a good way would be to make DVD's, lets try one and see how it goes, if I can do this relatively painlessly I will make more of other machines too. We can have a whole series! I'll keep you posted, I try and do some filming of the Wizard this weekend.
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Post# 42393-7/21/2004-12:16 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT:
POD... Poly-Clean center
MESSAGE: Wow.. this group is amazing. As a kid in Buffalo, NY, there was a Poly-Clean center about 2 miles from home, and going there to do our laundry in a early Whirlpool ? FL was a "reward" to me for good behavior. My Mom would take me there about twice a year('63-'64), and it was better than buying me a tub of ice cream. The dry cleaning machines were up front, it was $2 for an 8lb load, like the POD says. Just like a combo-washer dryer, only w. dry cleaning fluid. I don't recall when the business went away....
The parents should have recognized my early fascination with appliances.... Santa brought Mom a new Kenmore dryer about that time... a big thrill to come home from school and see THAT in the basement. My Mom was brilliant... taught me to run the old 50's Kenmore TL w. suds saver when I was about 5, and except for sorting clothes, she relieved herself of laundry duty due to my fascination with the process! The '68 stainless solid tub SQ was a good replacment for $169.
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Post# 42394-7/21/2004-12:10 ||| maytag.man (Franklin, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Easy Spindrier washer hoses
MESSAGE: Does anyone know where I could get the hoses for an Easy Spindrier {hoses underneath the washer}? Thanks, Don
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Post# 42395-7/21/2004-13:51 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Robert, I've never heard that expression before. It must be a midwest thing. Is that like pulling hen's teeth?
Maybe the Wizard was made for washing those grungy auto repair uniforms from working at a Western Auto... Did they make other appliances too? And if so, were they called Wizard also, like refrigerators, etc.
Jerry
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Post# 42396-7/21/2004-12:53 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Need some backgroud info on the new haul from Oklahoma
MESSAGE: So, did this guy with all the washers stashed repair them?
Collect them, whatever. He had them in an old strip shopping center stored? It would be interesting to find out that kind of stuff. did you get any op manuals or anything?
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Post# 42397-7/21/2004-13:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
POD Poly-Clean Center
MESSAGE: Okay- everytime this POD comes up, I throw in my 2 cents. We had one down the street when I was growing up too. It's interesting that laundry back in the old days (meaning up to the 90's) was usually geared towards women, like no one else washed clothes, yet Polyclean was aimed towards businessMEN. What a sexist world we live in
JER
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Post# 42398-7/21/2004-16:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: I have lots of Speed Queens here too - there are lots of places to go!!
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Post# 42399-7/21/2004-16:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Agi-bong)
MESSAGE: I made one out of a broken Maytag bleach dispenser once...should have sent it to the Maytag museum in Newton, IA!
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Post# 42400-7/21/2004-17:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: That control panel would take some time for me to get used to, with the strange layout of the cycle/temp buttons!! How is the water level controlled? I saw no Small/Med/Large load knobs/buttons, and only 1 water level button. Also, how large is the tub?
The action looks WONDERFUL and effective!! I bet it has excellent turnover as well! Can't wait to see it on DVD!
--Austin
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Post# 42401-7/21/2004-17:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: OH yes, please put some washers, Wizard included on DVD. I'll buy them.
I will pay money to have the Wizard, Philco, Westy Front Loader, 57 Lady Kenmore recorded to DVD.
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Post# 42402-7/21/2004-17:47 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: What happened to the DVD you were going to make of the Beltsville gathering?
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Post# 42403-7/21/2004-17:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: Me too!! I'd love to see the Laundromat!
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Post# 42404-7/21/2004-17:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: And what could be inside??
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=38@What%20could%20be%20in%20here%20%20@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 42405-7/21/2004-18:00 ||| Ryanspies (Cheboygan, Mi)
SUBJECT:
contact toddmiller
MESSAGE: I was searching and saw that he was looking for an appliance that i have. Does anyone know how i can get ahold of him
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Post# 42406-7/21/2004-18:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Well look at that! Isn't that a handsome machine! I did notice the 58 Filtrator from Tulsa had gone with you...now we know why! And a tub full o parts too! Hmmmm.....what with yet another machine having come your way I just don't know where you're going to put that '65 Rollermatic you brought back. Perhaps someone will have to loan you some floor space for that one.... LOL
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Post# 42407-7/21/2004-19:03 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Where on earth did this come from???????
Not fair... that was hit and run.
It's just gorgeous!!!
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Post# 42408-7/21/2004-19:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: This washer nut will volunteer floor space in his small laundry room for a washer & a dryer, which by coincidence, happens to have a GM and a Frigidaire logo on them on the same control panels!!! Hmm, something to handle all my modern, state of the art fabrics in my wardrobe.
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Post# 42409-7/21/2004-19:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: And what is that I see in the background on picture #36??? Is that, oh for SHAME!!!, a "modern" Frigidaire top load washer with that pesky agitator that goes back & forth and not up & down? Talk about putting Lipstick on a Pig, trying to "doll up" that "modern" Frigidaire washer with it breathing within the same aura and space of that wonder GM Frigidaier Unimatic. I need to come up and hug and concole that Unimatic, I hope he isn't too offended by having to at any time associate with such washer trash.
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Post# 42410-7/21/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: I am wondering if the yellow Norge is like that one I saw as a kid.Sure looks like it-but ours was white.I liked watching it work as a kid-and the large lint balls that filter trapped!Sometimes that big agitator would really froth up the suds!Will have to try to find a machine like that.Still hunting the swap shops here.My grandmother had one of those black Roto-Swirl Kn machines.Maybe some day I will run into one those as well.And I am glad my memory served me right-the pan was metal.Another one of our homes had a GE Filter Flo with the copper colored metal lint dish.My dad was in the Air Force at those times-we moved a lot.The washers came with the base housing-I suppose.It would be interesting to make up a collection of the machines I had and sometimes used as a kid.
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Post# 42411-7/21/2004-19:25 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (Fantastic looking Unimatic!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
So much so fast! How do you do it?
What is the deal with this beauty? Did you find so many you needed to ship one?
Wow!
Brent
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Post# 42412-7/21/2004-19:45 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT:
Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
I was looking at that pink maytage dryer on ebay and did some research on it. One place I called said it was from 1962-1965 and it was an ok model. Another guy said it was not that great because it had a pilot light and the glow plug ignition was better. I heard you were better off with thew pilot light. Anyhow he also said it was a slow type dryer not very fast. What do you all think?? Is it worth it or should I go with a 50's Kenmore gas dryer?
Bob
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Post# 42413-7/21/2004-19:47 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT:
Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
I was looking at that pink maytage dryer on ebay and did some research on it. One place I called said it was from 1962-1965 and it was an ok model. Another guy said it was not that great because it had a pilot light and the glow plug ignition was better. I heard you were better off with the pilot light. Anyhow he also said it was a slow type dryer not very fast. What do you all think?? Is it worth it or should I go with a 50's Kenmore gas dryer? Also what is this maytag dryer worth?
Bob
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Post# 42414-7/21/2004-20:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Extra extra cool Robert. Your DVDevious, Wizzardry mind has some outstanding thoughts. Yup, I never tire of see that video we got 3-4 years ago. It's almost like being theer in person.
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Post# 42415-7/21/2004-20:09 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: Looking at the mechanicals, it looks like a GE pump system and a Westinghouse tranny.....hmmmmmm Mark
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Post# 42416-7/21/2004-20:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Robert, I'm sure most of us would not mind helping out with the expenses of this site. You could just let members donate what they wish to your PayPal account. Speaking for myself, I really enjoy this site, and greatly appreciate all the work that you do to make it happen. These things cost money, and I for one, don't mind helping out and would love to show my appreciation in doing so. Mark
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Post# 42417-7/21/2004-20:45 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I, too, enjoy the site and would be willing to donate to the cause. Count me in! And as far a lipstick on a pig, I first saw that when a friend on mine dressed in drag ... but that's another story! todd
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Post# 42418-7/21/2004-21:22 ||| Jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
You guys are GREAT !!!
MESSAGE: I just took a trip back to my childhood. My mom had an old ABC-o-matic washer. If it was going to run for 20 minutes she knew where I would be for 20 minutes, with the high chair pulled up to the washer watching through the window! Never in my life would I have ever thought that I could see that orbital agitation again. It was like looking back in time. I also watched the Philco washer. My granny had one of those. I could almost smell the machine as I was watching it on the screen. AMAZING !!!! I LOVE THIS SITE !!!!!
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Post# 42419-7/21/2004-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Spindrier washer hoses
MESSAGE: Hi Don, you are probably going to have to make some hoses yourself as the exact match is going to be very difficult to find.
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Post# 42420-7/21/2004-21:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, I'm sure Wizard had other appliances made for their Western Auto stores too. I really don't know much about Wizard, this is the first time I have ever seen a Wizard appliance as far as I can remember.
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Post# 42421-7/21/2004-21:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some backgroud info on the new haul from Oklahoma
MESSAGE: We got a few manuals, but this man was interested in the machines, he enjoyed making them run again and using them for a while and would put them back in storage and use something else for a bit. Currently he has a 1979 1-18 Washer/Dryer set, the all rare all push-button version.
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Post# 42422-7/21/2004-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (When it rains it pours)
MESSAGE: When it rains it pours and I think its currently thundering and lightening too!
Well no wonder why you insisted on taking home the '58 Filtrator! lol.
Congrats Greg, that is probably Frigidaire's greatest washer of the entire line, at least in my humble opinion. I just love the Cool water setting! Enjoy, that is an incredible machine! All those parts are a gold strike too!
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Post# 42423-7/21/2004-21:36 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Bob, that's a Kitchen Aid :)
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Post# 42424-7/21/2004-21:36 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's Ditto That)
MESSAGE: Yep lighted c's, thats a good idea. Think about it Robert, Id be glad to add some $ to paypal. Then again a wizard dvd would be cool too. Let us know. Thanks again for all the pics everyone they are always nice to see. I live in a small house as well. (no room to collect) I always enjoy your great photos alr2903
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Post# 42425-7/21/2004-21:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, thank you for your kind offer. Asking for donations is always an option, but first let me see how much effort it takes to make a DVD and sell it. If its easy it could be a lot of fun for people who don't have the space to collect and at the same time raise funds for the club. Stay tuned.
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Post# 42426-7/21/2004-21:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: You guys are GREAT !!!
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, welcome to the club! Its always nice to hear from other washer people! By the way, how did you find us?
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Post# 42427-7/21/2004-21:42 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Western Auto)
MESSAGE: I know that Western Auto sold Trutone radios.
LINK: http://www.truetoneradioland.com/
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Post# 42428-7/21/2004-21:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard)
MESSAGE: Western auto being small local hardware stores, washers, dryers, dishwashers, their microwave i believe was by sharp. they also had window a/c's sewing machines, and small electrics with the wizard name toasters irons mixers, space heaters. Their lawn mowers and outside equipment was also branded wizard. at one time they might also of had some small outboard boat motors. alr2903
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Post# 42429-7/21/2004-21:54 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Western Auto)
MESSAGE: Ken they sure did, I had forgotten that, my family had a true tone color tv. It was pretty good and lasted a long time.alr2903
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Post# 42430-7/21/2004-22:12 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: That's a great idea! I'll buy one if you're selling!
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Post# 42431-7/21/2004-22:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: LOL! Every time I log in and see the "Lipstick on a pig" in the subject lines, I just get a case of the giggles. I must remember that one for future reference. I've heard it before, but hadn't thought about it in some time til now.
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Post# 42432-7/21/2004-22:31 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!
Wow! Look at that, will ya!!! Loved those parts inside, including the three-ring agitator sprinkler. Only thing missing was a sample box of Tide! ;-)
Thanks for sharing your treasures!
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Post# 42433-7/21/2004-22:41 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Count me in for DVDs. I can't think of anything better to put on the tube on a Saturday morning.
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Post# 42434-7/21/2004-22:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: congrads Greg, WOW, now you even have a matching set, good for you .............. love the colors on the three rings ......
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Post# 42435-7/21/2004-22:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: A few of us played Around in Augusta, today. Steve (gyrafoam) Teresa (Steve's friend with a truck), and Peter H drove in for the day. Steve brought me a Harvest Gold (eat your heart out, Greg!) '76 Kenmore Dishwasher. It was just like the one I had in my first house in Georgia.
We did some wash, played around with the machines, went on a field trip to South Carolina to look at a laundromat that was for sale, ate dinner, came back to Augusta, fired up a few more machines and loaded up a copper-tone Maytag for Steve and a Kitchen Aid dishwasher for Teresa.
We had a very nice day until Steve and Teresa got ready to leave. Teresa's truck wouldn't start. Between Steve and Steve we figured out that it was the cable going to the starter, and I fixed it. My head was spinning from the rush of testosterone! After they left, I calmed down a bit, by doing a load in the Neptune, with the door open. That water spray is delightful!
Steve also brought a Red Velvet Pound cake with cooked chocolate icing. Yum! Yum! (Get the insulin out, Rhinne and slice me another piece!)
Here is a link to the pictures.
Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow2?.dir=/54c7&.src=ph&.beg=1&.spd=2
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Post# 42436-7/21/2004-23:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Thanks for the nice pictures! Glad you had a nice day in spite of the truck troubles, and glad you were able to get that resolved.
Peter, Steve and Rhinnie I can't believe it's been nearly 2 years since I've seen you guys, and it's nice to see your faces! :)
I remember those dishwashers!
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Post# 42437-7/22/2004-00:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Geoff, I saw the dishwasher, but there's a control panel of a washer that the cycle markings are just like Frigidaire's.
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Post# 42438-7/22/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: The idea of recording the various washers on a DVD sounds VERY interesting-I would be interested in such a thing.An excellent way of enjoying washers if you don't have the space to collect them all.That would be such much better than those tapes or DVDs of the fireplace!-they sell those around the xmas season.
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Post# 42439-7/22/2004-00:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Seve, looks like y'all had fun. Rhinnie, you look outstanding and woderful as usual!!! Peter, it's so nice to see your face again. Wish I could hear your voice in person, but I still hear what you sound like in person. And Steve (gyrafoam), it's nice to meet ya at least this way, hope someday in person.
And Steve, thanks for all the great detailed pix of control panels. I never really got to see that dishwasher up close. I kinda boycotted looking at Kenmore dishwashers in the stores after they got rid of the roto rack.
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Post# 42440-7/22/2004-00:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (When it rains it pours)
MESSAGE: The parts were great - even a couple of bellows for the dry cleaning coin-op washers. Unfortunately, they were just lumps of greasy goo in the box.
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Post# 42441-7/22/2004-00:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Yup - it's a Kitchen Aid with a slipping neutral drain.
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Post# 42442-7/22/2004-01:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve! Looks like you guys had a lot of fun. I don't envy the color on the dishwasher but remember that model well. I'd forgotten about the letter abbreviations for the cycle sequence indicator - how fun.
Now, where's the recipie for that red velvet pound cake and icing??
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Post# 42443-7/22/2004-01:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: There's no KA dishwasher in the garage, just two Genital Electrics, it really is a KA washer. Easy mistake though - the KA/Frigidaire thing...all those modern washers look alike!
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Post# 42444-7/22/2004-01:49 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Saw this and thought you guys would appreciate a peek.
Note the seller has mis-spelled "Bendic".
Launderess
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3829055828&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 42445-7/22/2004-05:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: I love that Wizard Robert! What a huge water pig. I adore machines like that too. In fact, here's the new mascot for your Wizard, just throw on a bit of lipstick and doll her up.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/15@Wizard%20mascot@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 42446-7/22/2004-07:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Only in Tex....Pennsylvania. :(
I would definitely buy this if it wasn't so darn far!!
--Austin
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Post# 42447-7/22/2004-07:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Beautiful new find Greg, not to mention those parts!!!
How did you find this one?
--Austin
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Post# 42448-7/22/2004-07:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Looked like fun! Maybe you could find a way to incorporate a window into your Neptune...
--Austin
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Post# 42449-7/22/2004-07:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: If all else fails Robert you could set up a PayPal account exclusively for donations. I've seen other sites with this setup and it seems to work. I wouldn't mind donating either.
--Austin
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Post# 42450-7/22/2004-07:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: It seems like all older DD washers seem to have that problem...you hear the fast hum of the neutral drain, a slight "bang" as the clutch slips, and then a slower hum as the motor strains to spin-drain...
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Post# 42451-7/22/2004-07:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: STAY TUNED!
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Post# 42452-7/22/2004-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: YOu know something? Now don't blast me for talking about modern but in a new Kenmore 90 series, if you do 2nd rinse, during the spin it blasts hot water. Yes it does. You can see steam coming out of the water.
Weird.
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Post# 42453-7/22/2004-07:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Look at the shape of the control panel. The top is flat and the bottom is rounded. On Frigidaires the top and bottom are rounded (like the top control panel Frigemores).
The cycle markings do look similar. I'm sticking with Geoff.. It's a Kitchen Aid with Whirlpool mechanism. Good as it gets for a modern machine.
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Post# 42454-7/22/2004-08:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: KA washer
LINK: http://www.kitchenaid.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=635227&prmenbr=136&catname=27in.%20Super%20Capacity%20Plus%20Washers&sku=KAWS750LT&subcatname=27in.%20Super%20Capacity%20Plus%20Washers
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Post# 42455-7/22/2004-08:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Gansky's washer
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=40@It's%20a%201958%20Frigidaire%20Custom%20Imperial%20Unimatic!!@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 42456-7/22/2004-08:24 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In (What fun!)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, sure looks like you guys had a lot of fun! So glad to see Rhinnie looking so great. That Lady Kenmore dishwasher will be fun to play with. I'm with Greg, where is the recipe for the Red Velvet Pound Cake?? Sure sounds good. Thanks for sharing the fun. Terry
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Post# 42457-7/22/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Wow look at that, probably from the early or mid 70's. I found two of those exact machines at once about five years ago. I gave them to John in St. Paul as he just love Bendix stuff. He took the best parts of both machines and made one good machine. He still has it bolted down to his basement floor and uses it occassionally.
Gotta love that Harvest Gold, Greg its your favorite color, go for it! :)
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Post# 42458-7/22/2004-08:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Wonderful pictures Steve, thanks for sharing, looks like you guys had a great time! Its always fun to see Appliancevillers in pictures.
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Post# 42459-7/22/2004-08:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: I would bid on it, but I'm trapped in my garage behind 20 appliances and can't reach the "bid now" button...
What a beauty though, someone should email Jeff Lefever in D.C. about this - it would look great sitting next to his Norge.
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Post# 42460-7/22/2004-09:31 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I am definitely one of the club members who has no basement to collect so the DVD's of your machines would be almost like having them here with me. I hope the Wizard dvd will be easy for you to make because there are several other washers in your fabulous collection I would like to have dvd's of as well. For example, I've never seen a "deep dish" Whirlpool like the 52 in operation before. But there's nothing in your collection I wouldn't want a DVD of.
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Post# 42461-7/22/2004-09:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard)
MESSAGE: I had forgotten about their window unit ac's. A neighbor had one and it really put out the cold air. When the fan motor finally died they replaced the unit with a GE and were so unhappy with it that they put a new fan motor in the old Wizard, yanked that new GE out of the window, sent it packing back from whince it came and reved up the Wizard.
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Post# 42462-7/22/2004-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, yeah, yeah... "She used to be Snow White, but she drifted..."
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Post# 42463-7/22/2004-09:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard AC)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah, my grandparents had a Wizard AC. Man that thing could blow some cold air.
We own a Wizard freezer... still working. WA made some cool stuff back then. I remember googling the Wizard washing machines there back when I was a kid.
Speaking of Wizard, that's what I named my cat, who now lives with my mom because I didn't have much time to spend with him. He's all grown up now and mean as ever.
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Post# 42464-7/22/2004-09:55 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: Hey everyone,
I would really like to know...when did Ford Discontinue the Philco brand in the US. I see that it has survived in foriegn lands...but not here obviously.
I do remember Philco electronics as many persons that i have known eithe had radio's or televisions by...but NEVER appliances that I can remember....
So I guess the real question I want to know is...when did Ford stop making Philco appliances. I have an ad for them from 1967, but I have never seen anything for them afterwards.
Anyone have the scoop?
Please Advise?
Chad
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Post# 42465-7/22/2004-10:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: They just did a laundry room on this show. They took an old avocado Maytag (aqua in the control panel) and painted it white with 2-part epoxy paint. They used a brush, but the finish looked mirror smooth after 3 coats.
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Post# 42466-7/22/2004-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Franklin "
Diamond"
setting)
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what this is? I have seen reference to it in a couple manuals, but none explains what it is. There is a diamond setting on the dial of Franklin tranny manchines. On Robert's machine, it is in the off segment of the dial. Might this be for suds saver/return?
-ph
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@Lighted%20Dial.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD
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Post# 42467-7/22/2004-10:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: I believe that the appliance division was picked up by WCI, as there are part packages that have the Philco logo on it. I don't think WCI kept the brand alive for very long. Philco Europe is part of the Electrolux appliance group. The bolt-down frontloader design was aquired by Dexter, who made the washers into the mid 1990's. Dexter used to have this in their company history, but they redid their website and removed the history page.
LINK: http://www.dxtrco.com/
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Post# 42468-7/22/2004-10:25 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Wizard made vac's too...
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have a small teardrop shaped Wizard canister from the late 60's. It's a 60's looking medium foresty green w/ beige trim. All Wizard/Firestone cleaners from the day were made by Eureka Co.
This machine is fully loaded with shag rake, Vibra-Beat carpet tool, and about a seven foot hose, w/ all the other Eureka made tools that you normally would be used to.
Anyway, just wanted to put in that 2 cents worth...
Chad
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Post# 42469-7/22/2004-10:27 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: Chad:
I think Ford pulled out in the early to mid-1980's. The division was re-named Aeronutronic Ford for a year or two; that name appeared on Ford car radios for a while and I think some appliances, though my memory is hazy there. Then, nothing- the Aeronutronic Ford name disappeared off the radio faceplates.
The only American use I've seen of the Philco name in the last twenty years is on cheap TV's and VCR's, in K-Mart, and that was a while back.
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Post# 42470-7/22/2004-10:42 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Wizard and Western Auto)
MESSAGE: Jerry:
Wizard was Western Auto's attempt to become a mini-Sears- there was a full line of major appliances. There was also a line of entertainment stuff, called Trutone. Western Auto published a catalog, like Sears, for a while, but it was never as big as the Sears catalog- for one thing, no clothes. You see the catalogs on eBay occasionally.
WA's were franchises, locally owned and operated. Going into one was sort of a weird experience if you were used to Sears or Penney's. Most WA's took trade-ins on major appliances and TV's, so there would be used merchandise alongside the new stuff. Most people liked to buy their big-ticket items at Sears or wherever if they had a choice, but the WA's were a little more flexible about trade-in and payments, so they got a lot of business from people who weren't quite so credit-worthy as an average Sears customer. I never heard any complaints about the quality of the merchandise that I can remember, but going to WA was definitely a more downscale experience than the big department stores or Sears.
WA is still around in some areas out in the boonies, but it's all auto stuff now, part of the same company that owns Advance Auto Parts.
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Post# 42471-7/22/2004-10:54 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Here's some info from the Web; a link to the page it's from is included:
The Philco-Ford Story
Ford purchased pioneering radio manufacturer Philco on December 11, 1961, and in 1963 merged in the "Aeronutronic Ford Corporation," acquired by Ford in 1956. Philco Aeronutronic became NASA's primary communications equipment contractor for the U.S. Manned Space effort during the 1960's and early 1970's, designing and supplying control consoles for the newly constructed Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston. Other divisions of Philco-Ford built home appliances and entertainment equipment -- as well as more than a few car radios.
In 1974, likely motivated by the forced divestiture of Autolite, along with the weakness of U.S. auto sales and a general recession in the wake of the Arab Oil Embargo, Ford sold Philco's Consumer Electronics Division to GTE-Sylvania, who in 1981 resold both it and Sylvania to the Netherlands-based Phillips Consumer Electronics (a longtime Philco rival best known in the U.S. for their Norelco shaver -- sold in every other country as the "Philishave", but renamed in America thanks to Philco's skillful trademark protection).
Philco-Ford's Appliance Division was spun off to White Consolidated Industries (formerly White Westinghouse) in 1977, and purchased by Sweden's AB Electrolux in 1986.
Of the original Philco-Ford, only the Aeronutronic unit remained, producing radios from 1975-1989, first as the "Aeronutronic Ford Corporation" and then from December 1, 1976 on as "Ford Aerospace and Communications Corporation". On January 5th, 1988, the company was redesignated "Ford Aerospace Corporation", and less than two years later, on October 24th, 1990, the "Philco-Ford" era ended when Ford sold Ford Aerospace to Loral, creating "Loral Aeronutronic". Loral Aeronutronic supplied radios to Ford during the 1990's before being acquired by Lockheed Martin in 1997.
The Philco name hasn't entirely disappeared from North America, however. Until recently, the Philco name could be found on a line of budget-priced audio/video products sold through K-Mart, and the brand still graces a line of Nordyne home cooling systems. Finally, Polyconcept USA, Inc, now markets several "retro"-styled "Philco" turntables, under license from Philips Electronics North America Corporation.
Sources:
Carlos Altgelt's A Brief History of Philco
LINK: http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/~djhamma/radio.htm
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Post# 42472-7/22/2004-11:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Ooo, very cool! Thanks for sharing and welcome! I don't think I've seen you here before.
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Post# 42473-7/22/2004-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In (What fun!)
MESSAGE: I will be interested in the recipe too! I make a lovely Red Velvet Cake, but I have not made one in pound cake form. I bet that would taste *mighty* good for dessert after a fried chicken dinner!
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Post# 42474-7/22/2004-11:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: ...19, if you put one on loan that I would provide floor space for. Then, the Philco Bendix could make up the 20th, 'cuz I'm sure you wouldn't want to be under 20 extra machines in the garage for any extended periods of time. Then, we'll have to get you a Palm Pilot or something, so you can bid from back there in the corner. ;-)
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Post# 42475-7/22/2004-12:44 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Franklin )
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, my grandparents had a Franklin-built Viking (not a suds saver) in the 60's with this very same diamond. She thought it just indicated where the fill begins and would always set the dial there to start the wash. The timer would increment during the fill, then stop and wait until the pressure switch although you could choose a shorter wash time. You'd think it would be something more profound than just a 'marker'.
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Post# 42476-7/22/2004-14:32 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Why thank you, for the warm welcome.
Have been "lurking" around the group for years actually, but never posted, enjoy reading the threads though. While I do love vintage appliances, my "thing" as far as laundry goes tends towards ironers and other kitchen appliances.
Back to the auction:
Seems the seller got wise to something, as the original listing was terminated and relisted with the correct spelling of "Bendix", and listed in several more areas besides "laundrymats".
Can anyone tell me about this particular model of Bendix washer. I'm guessing it is like the White Westinghouse front loader my grandmother had (tumbles one way only, high water level). Were these machines ever for home use without coin slots? Do they require bolting down? What was their wash action/spin rpms?
I wanted to post it here because such a nice MIB item deserves a good home with those that will appreciate it. Too many people are into this "retro" craze, and buying appliances to suit a mood or look, without considering how it will perform.
TTFN
Launderess
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Post# 42477-7/22/2004-15:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Oh dear, two men fighting over me!! That was a long time ago. Oh, to feel young again!!!
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Post# 42478-7/22/2004-15:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Congratulations, even the same color as the dryer you brought back from Oklahoma. No wonder it was hard to guess who took what!
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Post# 42479-7/22/2004-15:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Bob, you are right, I was so focussed on the other machine that I didn't notice the modern one. Probably a surprise for somebody he doesn't like ;-)
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Post# 42480-7/22/2004-15:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Sounds you had a great time! BTW, nice to put a face to the name Steve (Gyrafoam) after we mailed.
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Post# 42481-7/22/2004-15:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, now I see it too. It's the white on white design, all washers look alike.
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Post# 42482-7/22/2004-15:57 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
In the Wizard picture below, what is the solenoid for? It appears that it pushes up on that cross brace, but that looks fixed. Is there something behind the cross brace I cant see?
Or is it something to do with sudsave or some other such water flow.
Thanks
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@Wizard%20Mechanicals.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD
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Post# 42483-7/22/2004-15:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: I have a late '70s Maytag Gas Dryer. It was converted to electric ignition. No problems at all. I do not remember if there was a major time difference in how the "halo of heat" dried vs the newer models. Good luck! -Steve
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Post# 42484-7/22/2004-16:00 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I agree. To whom do I make out the check, and to what address should I mail it. Much thanks and gratitude for all the hours of fun and memories! -Steve
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Post# 42485-7/22/2004-16:37 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag
MESSAGE: It looks like the Out of balance switch
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Post# 42486-7/22/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Robert emailed me a while back and said that he would put the DVD's up on eBay to see who's interested in them. But of course members can bid too!
--Austin
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Post# 42487-7/22/2004-17:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag (out of balance switch and buzzer)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, it is the out of balance switch and buzzer.
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Post# 42488-7/22/2004-17:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: I'm NOT going to eBay the DVD's, I will simply let everyone in Applianceville know that they are available, and who ever wants one will be able to get one.
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Post# 42489-7/22/2004-17:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Nevermind, I read the email and you just said you were selling the DVDs. My mistake.
However eBay might be a good idea considering the appliance nuts that aren't on here...
--Austin
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Post# 42490-7/22/2004-17:08 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Red Velvet Pound Cake
MESSAGE: O.K. Here is my recipie : Pre-heat oven to F.325 degrees. Grease and flour a tube pan. In the mixer, cream 1 1/2 cups BUTTER with three cups granular sugar.(I use raw sugar). Bump mixer speed up for a while to make mixture good and fluffy-not grainy! Turn mixer on lowest setting and one at a time add 7 eggs. (I use organic brown) Add TWO bottles Red food color (2 oz.) Be careful batter will now stain anything it comes in contact with! Add 2 T. Vanilla and 2T. Almond flavorings. In a seperate bowl sift together, 3 cups plain flour (I will only use "King Arthur") 1/4 t. salt, 1/4 t. soda, 2 Heaping Tablespoons Cocoa (I use Droste) Alternatly add dry mixture to batter with 1 cup WHOLE Buttermilk. (Do not substitute Low-fat Buttermilk (YUK!). Use whole milk instead and delete soda from flour mix!.) Scrape down bowl, and when all is well blended pour in to tube pan, shake that girl to settle it and bake about one and a half hours untill tests done. I cool on a rack about four hours before turning out. And cool completely before frosting it. You can use a traditional Red Velvet Cake type frosting by cooking a roux and adding sugar and cream, or the modern way with cream cheese/butter powdered sugar type frosting. I enjoy using my old timey cooked chocolate frosting (fondant) made with cocoa, sugar, butter and cream. It is too tempermental to explain how to make it in writing but if you want to learn just invite me to a "Wash-a-Rama" (Heads-up Appnut and Gansky1 !)and I'll turn your stove into an Old South, comfort food, goodie center! How about Fried Chicken, Rice and gravy, squash caserole, pole beans, fried cabbage. stewed corn, turnip greens and pot likker, my fresh yeast rolls and sweet butter, buttermilk corn bread, and a splash or two from my old friend Jack D. Honey pleeez! -Steve
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Post# 42491-7/22/2004-17:54 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Ocean of Hotpoints!
MESSAGE: I stumbled onto a store in the old warehouse section of downtown Atlanta, near intersection of 14th street and Howell Mill Rd. "Midtown West Building Materials, Inc." 990 Brady Ave. Ph.# 404/575-0025 Hours 9AM-5PM "Don" is my contact. These people primarily deal in cabinetry but I discovered an ocean of used Hotpoints in one huge area of the warehouse. They look to be mid-90's models, all in Almond color. They are all very clean and not at all abused looking. Must have been in a condo complex as they are all builders grade. Here is the price list: Washer or dryer $60.00 Ea. or $100.00 set! Dishwashers range from $25.00 to $100.00 depending on interior (some upgrades are stainless!) Electric stoves $99.00, refrigerators $135.00 Saw a few late 90's Whirly washers and dryers. Sold as sets only $275.00. Hope this tip will help out someone! -Steve
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Post# 42492-7/22/2004-18:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
ATT: GYRAFOAM
MESSAGE: Replied to C&F about pickup MON, have not heard back from them ????? Have no idea what time they are coming, or if they are still coming, my email is down .........
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Post# 42493-7/22/2004-18:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake
MESSAGE: Sounds mighty good to me! *Mighty* good! Don't you think that sounds great Terry? All those wonderful things with fried chicken!
Thanks for the recipe Gyrafoam! I must try it in my rectangular tube pan, perhaps trying out my Sunbeam Heritage mixer! Maybe I'll bake one to take to Greg's.
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Post# 42494-7/22/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Uni's Bolt-Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: Robert, what happened to the 1950 Bolt-Down Kenmore you started to restore in 2000? This is one machine you haven't talked about but you did post photos of (linked here). This machine looked interesting (and pretty) so I'm wondering what you did with it.
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/unimatic1140/detail?.dir=/1d6a&.dnm=2f0d.jpg
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Post# 42495-7/22/2004-18:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Great info! I'll probably be picking up a Philco side by side,in lovely avacado,this weekend.I also have the matching electric stove,if anyone's interested.I've got a soft spot for the once mighty marquees,that are no longer.
kennyGF
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Post# 42496-7/22/2004-18:30 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (how'd I hear about ya ?)
MESSAGE: I am talking on the internet to someone, I may be buying a Jukebox from him. He sent me the link to classic appliances. And I am so glad he did. Uni I think your machines are the greatest ! I love your basement. It is very cool. I looked at your philco restoration photos.....very cool. By the way, What is a "unimatic" ? \
I saw the posts about maybe a DVD of the washer in action. I would buy one of those !!! Tom
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Post# 42497-7/22/2004-18:39 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag (Looking for a Date on a Maytag!)
MESSAGE: I too seek a date on a Maytag, but alas, will have to settle for a frolic on my Fridgidaire.
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Post# 42498-7/22/2004-18:46 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Thanks For the Philco Info......
MESSAGE: Hi,
Just wanted to drop another line to say thanks to all who replied on the Philco issue. I figured in my mind that it could have been swallowed by the WCI machine....but wasn't sure.
Thanks Again...
Chad
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Post# 42499-7/22/2004-19:19 ||| eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT:
1950 glass topped James dishwasher on ebay...thanks.
MESSAGE: i reposted the 1950 clear top, stainless steel James Dishwasher for any collectors interested. it's on ebay at
1950 JAMES DISHWASHER W/ the SEE-THRU GLASS LID RARE
Modern Stainless Steel & Glass Futuristic Design Eames Item number: 3689276489.
thanks for looking, hoping to find a home for it. regards, steve cabella
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Post# 42500-7/22/2004-19:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: How can I order one? I am very interested.
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Post# 42501-7/22/2004-19:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I am definatly interested in getting a dvd - this was some beautiful set of washers you just obtained. Even though I do not have a dvd player - I have one in my computer. Watching these machines would be more fun than watching a movie. It would be great if could put the Kelvinator & the yellow norge on the same dvd as the wizard. I didn't realize that the wizard would have such a big splashing action. Is that because of the upper fins in the adjator? At first glance I thought it was simular to a hotpoint because of the adjator top. It also seems like a bigger than usual solid tub.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 42502-7/22/2004-19:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire Flair Range---2 HOURS!! BID QUICK!
MESSAGE: 60's Frigidaire Custom Imperial Flair Range--Works great!!! Not at an outrageous price either. Jamaica, Mass. Bid quickly!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3688424767&rd=1
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Post# 42503-7/22/2004-20:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: I just recieved the gift of a '68 Maytag #806 in coppertone from Steve 1-18. It is beautiful. When I went to get it set up I was very careful, as always, to level the machine well. I live in a very old house and the floor itself is not level. When I tried the machine out for the first time and there was quite a bit of vibration (machine was empty) and shaking. I have checked and made sure all the feet are bolted tight and all is perfectly level. I tried running a load of clothes and the machine shook even more violently. I have come to the conclusion that I have a (tub) balance problem not a leveling problem. Any ideas? (Goatfarmer-please weigh in!) Thanks-Steve
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Post# 42504-7/22/2004-20:23 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Hope you enjoy the recipie! What is a rectangular tube pan? Best wishes- Steve
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Post# 42505-7/22/2004-20:47 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
Maytags are heavy washers so the floor must be pretty sturdy beneath it. Does the whole cabinet shake or just the inner tub?
Does it make any strange noises(knocking)when it's off balance?
I try to be sure that the leveling legs are up as close to the baseplate as possible, then level it out to the floor.
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Post# 42506-7/22/2004-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: It's the same type of pan as a round one, only it is square. Terry (tlee618) wanted one last time we were in Arizona and found one, then I decided I wanted to have one too! :)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25466&item=4313959996&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW&tc=photo
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Post# 42507-7/22/2004-21:21 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: If it's on a wood floor I wish you luck. About the only thing you can do is put down a sheet of 3/4in thick plywood and add cross braces from under the house.
Whenever we would get someone who wanted a Maytag the first thing we would ask the, was if they lived in a Mobile Home or had wood floors. If they did we would suggest another machine. If they insisted on the Maytag there was a note telling them that there would be no refunds or exchanges for vibration/shaking issues.
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Post# 42508-7/22/2004-21:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: That's interesting to learn. I had always thought Maytags (the original good ones not the stuff now that I know nothing about) were amongst the more stable of machines. Then again, those I saw I'm pretty sure were on cement or pretty solid footing.
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Post# 42509-7/22/2004-22:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Robert I think the idea of the DVD's is a great one, please count me in as well. Terry
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Post# 42510-7/22/2004-22:31 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Thanks Steve!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the recipe Steve it does sound like it would be delicious!! In fact that entire menu sounded really good to me as well. I think that we would be up for some cooking lessons don't you Scott. Thanks again Steve for sharing. Terry
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Post# 42511-7/22/2004-22:35 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Not sure if this will help?)
MESSAGE: I am not sure if this will help Steve but I remember a time many years ago (1972) I was in Minnesota helping my aunt move. The movers moved her Maytag to the new house and we hooked it all up and it did the same thing, before the move it had worked perfect. Called Maytag and they came out and said the washer had been moved wrong, there should have been some sort of plastic ring placed in the opening of the tub. It was a simple fix, but not sure what they did. Might be worth a call to Maytag to see what they know. Hope this helps. Terry
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Post# 42512-7/23/2004-00:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Tube Pan)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
Thanks for that recipie, but for us Aussies can you explain what a "tube pan" is?
A few types of tin come to mind when I think of this, but not normally ones associated with a pound cake.
A link to a picture would be great.
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 42513-7/23/2004-00:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Tube Pan - I should've read on)
MESSAGE: I've seen the answer to my own question, so thanks anyways Steve.
I'll give it a go and see how it turns out.
Could you make the same cake in a normal round tin? Or it has to be made in a tube pan?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 42514-7/23/2004-04:14 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: It's hard to describe,but Maytag uses a set of pads that go between the base of the washer,and the transmission.If these wear out,it will tend to rumble,and go off balance quite a bit.Might be the problem.
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Post# 42515-7/23/2004-05:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
KitchenAid
MESSAGE: Well, I must commend Whirlpool for keeping their hands off (at least promotion-wise) KitchenAid. Nowhere on the site does it say anthing like "A division of Whirlpool Corp", or "Copyright, Whirlpool Corp", or "One of the Whirlpool Companies" or anything like that.. So many other companies can't resist putting stuff like that in their divisions advertising, therby diluting the appeal.
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Post# 42516-7/23/2004-05:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
DVD Sales vs Donations
MESSAGE: No reason both methods couldn't be employed.
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Post# 42517-7/23/2004-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (Death of Philco)
MESSAGE: Ford didn't discontinue Philco, it died after it was swallowed by the WCI monster.
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Post# 42518-7/23/2004-05:36 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
We lived in old houses too and all of my family had Maytags. The trick I found out from Maytag was to extend the leveling legs the absolute minimum and make sure they were then locked in tight. Worked every time. Hope this helps........Rich
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Post# 42519-7/23/2004-06:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Gee, what a convulated history! Merged with Bendix, sold, re-sold, re-named, hacked to pieces, merged, re-sold to companies that were themselves results of mergers (i.e., Lockheed with Martin Marietta).
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Post# 42520-7/23/2004-06:24 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Taming the unruly Maytag!
MESSAGE: Thank you folks for all the info. Today I will bring the feet up as close to the cabinet as I can. I guess what frustrates me so is that I have had three other Maytags, and a Frigimore Front Loader in the same spot over the years, and although there was some vibration (old wooden floor) it was not nearly this severe. Unfortunatly the place is so old, and without a basement, I only have a place in the kitchen for the washer and dryer. Will keep you posted. Am very curious about the pads Goatfarmer describes. I will take a look and see if I can figure out what they are. Best wishes to all! -Steve
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Post# 42521-7/23/2004-06:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: I suspect he meant retangular LOAF pan. I've never heard of a rectangular tube pan, either.
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Post# 42522-7/23/2004-06:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (shaking Maytag)
MESSAGE: Aren't there some kind of stablilizing pads, similar to WP/KM snubbers, in those machines that wear out?
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Post# 42523-7/23/2004-06:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Well, I'll damned they DO exist!
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Post# 42524-7/23/2004-06:48 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Reply to Brisnat81
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan! I think if you have a regular solid type pan that was deep enough it would work. If you have trouble finding a tube pan let me know and I will send you one. Please update your e-mail address! Best wishes! -Steve
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Post# 42525-7/23/2004-06:54 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the link! I will try to get one of these. How kool! I have a 50's square metal cake carrier I could use when taking a cake to a party!-Steve
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Post# 42526-7/23/2004-06:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
kenmore1978
MESSAGE: Hi! Please go into more detail as I am not sure what I am looking for. I have an errand to run but when I return will take off front panel (for the first time) and see whats up inside.Goatfarmer also mentioned pads. Thanks! -Steve
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Post# 42527-7/23/2004-07:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: kenmore1978 (Maytag pads)
MESSAGE: I don't know details, I just remember it being mentioned here before.
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Post# 42528-7/23/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Diamond on Timer)
MESSAGE: Hi All, I'm not sure but I bet it's for the suds saver setting. I tried starting the washer on the diamond last night just to see and it did nothing but run the timer motor until it got to the fill cycle.
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Post# 42529-7/23/2004-08:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Uni's Bolt-Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: The centerpost was so rusted away that it practically collapsed so I decided the machine wasn't worth the effort to restore it and sent it into permanent retirement..
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Post# 42530-7/23/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The Unimatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, thanks for your kind words, I'm glad you found us! The Unimatic was Frigidaire's very first washer transmission, developed in the 1930's, home tested in 1940 and 1941 and produced in machines after the war from 1947 to 1958. Its the fastest spinning top load automatic ever produced with 1140rpm spin. It's my favorite of all washer styles.
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Post# 42531-7/23/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The DVD
MESSAGE: We I see the is definitely some interest in DVD's. Here is what I have to do first:
--Setup camera,
--Setup lighting,
--load the washer,
--run camera
--run washer,
--film a second load with dial other shots,
--watch the original video and see it came out ok,
--if the video did not come out ok start at step one again,
--digitize the video into the computer,
--edit the video,
--burn the video to DVD,
--take the original DVD to a DVD copy center,
--wait for the copies to be done and go back and get the them,
--figure out how I’m going to collect the fees
--do the reprogramming of the web site to accept pay-pal donations
--collect the fees,
--get the packages ready,
--apply the mailing label,
--get the packages to the post office.
I have friends visiting (YAY) from July 30 – Aug 8, then again Aug 21-22, then Sep 6-10. I have a job that takes up more than 45-50 hours a week and have a husband and dog to take care of.
So all I’m trying to say is be patient, I’m serious about making this first DVD but I’m not going to be able to do this overnight. I hope to have this done sometime in September, I will keep everyone posted
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Post# 42532-7/23/2004-09:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The 30s?)
MESSAGE: Wow, I didn't know they went that far back. I know they started in 1947 but that's amazing.
So who put automatics on the market first? Bendix or Frigidaire?
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Post# 42533-7/23/2004-09:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The DVD (What?)
MESSAGE: Robert,
You mean with all that you do, you have time for a life?!
The DVD will be worth the wait!
Thanks for everything, and enjoy your company!
HAVE FUN!
Brent
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Post# 42534-7/23/2004-10:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The DVD
MESSAGE: You forgot to mention the filming of "Decorating Cents" in September (if I'm correct they're re-doing your upstairs bathroom), which is something we'll be looking forward to as well! Be sure to keep us posted when it airs! YAY!
The DVDs are definitely worth the wait considering how well the video clips came out! How many machines are you going to film on one DVD?
--Austin
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Post# 42535-7/23/2004-10:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The Unimatic)
MESSAGE: Home tested in '40-41? Did these machines resemble the '47 WJ-60?
--Austin
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Post# 42536-7/23/2004-11:00 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher!
MESSAGE: Greetings Everyone! There's another wonderful old Waste King Dishwasher on ebay. The auction closes in a few hours so let's not let this one get away! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3202&item=4313807086&rd=1
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Post# 42537-7/23/2004-11:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher!
MESSAGE: This is the 4th time it's been on eBay and the 4th time somebody's mentioned it...
Needless to say a very popular DW here ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 42538-7/23/2004-12:25 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: kenmore1978
MESSAGE: The pads goatfarmer speaks of are Under the brake/clutch assy.on the bottom of the transmission.The pads are between the brake/clutch assy and machine base. I have seen these pads sometimes come loose and actually be there but not in the correct place. They are glued to the base. To replace them without removing the transmission I think you may be able to raise the trans slightly for access.Removing the suspension springs may also help if you decide to replace them. Possibly laying the machine on its back might help. If not the entire trans will have to be removed.
Greg
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Post# 42539-7/23/2004-14:05 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: kenmore1978
MESSAGE: ...It could also be that one of the suspension springs has either sprung or popped off as a result of impropper moving of the machine. Best thing to do is to take the front off and have a good look. Mark
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Post# 42540-7/23/2004-14:10 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
Maytag damper pads
MESSAGE: Here is a link to a parts diagram
The next post are links to parts places (you'll have to cut and paste)
Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/detail?.dir=/7110&.dnm=497d.jpg
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Post# 42541-7/23/2004-14:11 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
Damper pads on the net
MESSAGE: Damperpads:
http://www.pcappliancerepair.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?item=203956&brand=MAC&cart_number=9714530_77363
or http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1282
or http://www.appliancepartsworldwide.com/Store_Part.aspx?Id=439125
or http://www.apwagner.com/scripts/realtime.live/InvLookup/disp-part.p?designid=61&prod=203956&manu=1
or http://www.partsolver.com/Product.asp?InventoryID=530911&SubstitutePart=0&ModelManufacturer=Maytag&ModelNumber=A806&ModelID=124641&OrgPartNum=&OrgPartMfg=Maytag
Adhesive:
http://www.pcappliancerepair.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?item=055978&cart_number=9714530_77363&brand=MAC
or http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1363
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Post# 42542-7/23/2004-14:18 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: Steve
If this is the problem, I'll be glad to help you with it when I come to Atlanta (if you can wait a week). Could have lost a pad when moving the machine. I seem to remember seeing a pad when I was moving machines around, but I didn't know where or which machine it came from.
Anyone in the club ever change / replace the pads? It would be a first for me. (Jason (HQOTS)??)
Also check with Fox Appliance parts to see what their price is.
Steve1-18
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Post# 42543-7/23/2004-14:20 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag damper pads (Part number)
MESSAGE: Part number 5 in the diagram
Steve1-18
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Post# 42544-7/23/2004-14:39 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: It wasn't a retangular pan but a square tube pan that I got in Az. this past spring. The tube pan is nothing more than an angel food cake pan which are usually round, this one was square. Hope this clears it up. Happy Baking. Terry
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Post# 42545-7/23/2004-15:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The DVD (The DVD )
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I realy understand and would never want to put undo stress on you. I appreciate all that you do for this club. I think I speak for most of us. As long as it takes is as long as it takes. I am willing to wait. Just please don't forget I am requesting one. You are the best for all that you do. I wish I can visit your collection. Also please let me know if I can assist.
Thanks and Jetaction to you!
Peter
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Post# 42546-7/23/2004-15:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Flair Range---2 HOURS!! BID QUICK!
MESSAGE: Same beautiful range, now for only $100!!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3690335650
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Post# 42547-7/23/2004-16:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
Thanks for the offer, but now I know what it looks like, they're easy to pick up. I'll have a look when I do the shopping today, and see what they're called.
That temperature you're using works out to be 160deg C is that temp in a fan forced or conventional oven?
Have a good weekend
Nathan
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Post# 42548-7/23/2004-17:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: I've never done it,but the tech that works with us has done it without removing the transmission.
I remember him saying you have to remove the bottom pulley,and brake assembly.Then you tip the machine back,and put a couple of small 2X4's under the washer,right where the shaft sticks through the bottom.When you set the machine back down,the wood pushes the entire assembly up,and gives enough room to glue the new pads in place.
Like I said,I've never done this,but it sounds feasible.
kennyGF
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Post# 42549-7/23/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: This brings up a question...did Maytag use the concrete ballast ring in the 60's? My 2003 Dependable Care has it but I've looked at older 'Tags and they don't appear to have one. I know they had some sort of balancing mechanism...
--Austin
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Post# 42550-7/23/2004-20:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: well, I put two Norges in my folks basement tonight, one by Fedders model LWA 2040 A00 with serial GH 04144, I am guessing this one to be a '70-'74 model, runs great, no leaks, kinda noisy, really tosses the water around for such short straight vanes (4), has burp-up? agitator and fab soft dispenser. The second Norge "15" a '64 by Borg-Warner model AWF 1520B with serial 146959 seems to run well except for some possible timer issues and it does leak and is spraying black water around the bottom, I have no idea what that means, (water leaking into tranny?) but I want to fix it now, whereas the machine runs so well. It also really throws the water around with that big, black bakelite agitator. The third Norge "16" I have not tried out yet, I think that is a '66 or '67. But that has a three vane agitator with angled curves sorta like an EASY ..... I have never seen a Norge agitator like this one, it is very cool ............. and finally the 60's turquoise SQ coin-up, alas is leaking some major globs of tranny grease, whereas the guy had the machine stored on its side for god only knows how many years, that machine is in rough shape. I promise to get pics out here ASAP, I know the pics make all the difference vs. just talking about them. Special thanks to John ("coldspot") for driving his truck and helping me pick up these machines today. John, you were a HUGE, HUGE help, thanks again. Have a nice weekend everyone.
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Post# 42551-7/23/2004-21:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: I use a convection oven but I am sure you can make this work either way. -Steve
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Post# 42552-7/23/2004-22:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher! (Waste King dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It's to the seller's credit that he hasn't just trashed the thing. He must really see that it should be saved.
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Post# 42553-7/23/2004-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Woo hoo Greg. You're like a washer magnet. Never ceases to amaze me. I gotta know, does the Norge "15" have 8 push buttons or is it all knobs?
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Post# 42554-7/23/2004-22:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The DVD (The DVD production)
MESSAGE: Some of that work could be split up, too. The editing could be done by someone else, the physical dupication of the DVD's can be done by anyone, just need the master copy. Maiing can be done from anywhere. I suspect there would be a lot of volunteers.
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Post# 42555-7/23/2004-22:47 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, I am surprised that the cake take 1 hour and 30 minutes in a covection oven. You also said that you used raw sugar, do you think this makes a big difference? Thanks again for sharing the recipe. Terry
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Post# 42556-7/23/2004-22:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Red Velvet Cake)
MESSAGE: I imagine if one leaves out the food coloring, it would solve the staining problem and still taste the same.
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Post# 42557-7/23/2004-22:53 ||| Wilkinsservis (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT:
Erasing a profile.
MESSAGE: How do I erase a profile that I have spelt incorrectly?
PRW
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Post# 42558-7/24/2004-01:13 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: The other guys have covered it pretty much. So just make sure it is on a strong floor (if wood, put a cement block or thick piece of plywood).
After that there isn't much you can do. The maytag at work is on a very solid floor (cement) and it doesn't even twitch. You can't tell (or feel) that it is spinning. Our belt drive would be very solid during spin as well. But our much lighter DD vibrates a lot.
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Post# 42559-7/24/2004-01:17 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's actually the proper procedure, you also have to unhook the levelling springs (3) and make sure the top panel is lifted up. Also make sure the area where the pads were is very clean before gluing the new pads there.
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Post# 42560-7/24/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: What kind of glue? Does it come with the parts?
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Post# 42561-7/24/2004-02:17 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: I looked up the pads on my part supplier's web site and according to the illustration there are two tubes that come in the kit. They are not named but one would have to assume one is Polylube and the other the glue. As a side note 3M's 1300 glue (we call it monkey snot) is for rubber to metal applications.
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Post# 42562-7/24/2004-05:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: thanks Bob, all three are MOL machines I believe and have no pushbuttons or lights sad to say. I do have that one "18" in coppertone that is a TOL with all pushbuttons and a fluorescent light in coppertone. That is currently being fixed by my friend in VT.
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Post# 42563-7/24/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Great finds Greg, and Norge/SQ machines no less!!! Can't wait to see pics!
You sure do have your hands full with all those finds ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 42564-7/24/2004-07:48 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Greg,
Congrats, great news! Get us some pictures.
Rich
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Post# 42565-7/24/2004-07:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: I remember the coppertone TOL Norge. The reason why I asked about the Norge 15 is because we had the TOL model. I vaguely remember the sales brochure my dad brought home when my mom was trying to decide wheich one she wanted. So, ... I will be very glad to see pix of the Norge 15.
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Post# 42566-7/24/2004-08:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: I have used both types of sugar in the recipe with sucess. My convection oven is also a combination convection/ microwave (Amana) I bought about ten years ago. My old house is hard to cool in the Summer and I use that little oven a lot as the big stove really heats up the kitchen. -Steve
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Post# 42567-7/24/2004-09:38 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see that Fedders made Norge. We bought a Norge that was used slightly in around 1974.The couple who sold it to my parents only bought it about a year before that.
Ours was a Fedders Norge also and a 20 lb capacity,it will be interesting to see if that Norge you have is the same model we had.
Congratulations Greg
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 42568-7/24/2004-11:05 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Well I did as instructed by many and brought the feet all the way up, then only lowered the ones I needed just enough to level machine. Machine would not wobble when I leaned on each corner and feels firmly planted in place. I set her on full speed spin and started her up. Same thing as before, just as she reaches full steam she really starts to shake. I tried sitting on each side and corner during spin(cheap thrills) to see if it would change anything but it only reduced the amount of rattling on the cabinet and dashboard. It did not reduce the vibration. When I trip the saftey swith and watch it spinning empty, it is obviously out of balance. I took the front of the cabinet off to try and find out something about the balance pads. All I found was a rag dangling across the hose from the outer tub to the bleach dispenser (Tee-Hee those repairmen)! I could not see where the pads were located as there is a circular housing hiding them from view. Will fall on the side of caution and wait untill Steve 1-18 comes in and is with me to take this thing apart and look. I will keep you posted. Many thanks to all of you for your advice and help in this matter. Best wishes- Steve
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Post# 42569-7/24/2004-11:18 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
It sounds like you may have a loose bearing that sits atop the brake package. You can try grabbing the bottom portion of the tranny above the black rubber washer that sits at the bottom and shaking it back and forth to see if there is any play there. Does the whole tub assy oscillate smoothly if you move the tub by hand? If it does move smoothly, then the damper pads are ok. The main bearing sits on top of the brake pkg and will transmit vibration to the whole cabinet if there is any play in the bearing. Hope this helps. Does that explanation make sense? Let us know what you find out.
John
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Post# 42570-7/24/2004-15:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi John! Thanks for the advice. I took the front panel off and moved the tub around to where I could get my left hand on the tranny and my right on the weights. I then proceeded to occilate the tub back and forth very smoothly. If there was any play, we are talking less than 1/4 in. which I would think to be normal. I am wondering if there is anything on the outside of the INNER tub that has anything to do with balance? I am just too new to the game to know without dissasembling the whole thing to see. I am convinced that the root of this problem is an out of balance tub, or something causing it to be out of balance. Many Thanks! -Steve
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Post# 42571-7/24/2004-18:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: Here is the link to the site. Pictures look good. Has anyone used epoxy paint? I have a few cabinets that need repainting. I wonder how this paint adheres to porcelain?
Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/dc_furnishings_other/article/0,1793,HGTV_3433_1380141,00.html
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Post# 42572-7/24/2004-18:50 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: I wonder how well that stuff would stay on over porcelain? I was told by a reputable appliance person a few years ago that to properly repaint porcelain would be cost prohibitive. Supposedly it would need to be sand blasted repainted and cured between layers and dipped in porcelain to finish
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Post# 42573-7/24/2004-19:11 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV Room By Room show (epoxy paint)
MESSAGE: hey steve the only paint i use on my machines is epoxy and have even redone some enamel tops as long as the sruface is well preped it works fine on the enamel if you dont like the dry result you can always strip if off and give it another try epoxy takes longer to fully dry but for me i think its worth the effort good luck
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Post# 42574-7/24/2004-20:06 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV Room By Room show (repainting porcelain)
MESSAGE: I have a friend that paints cars. He has also used his car painting room and equipment to repaint peoples appliances. The results are good.
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Post# 42575-7/24/2004-20:46 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Avacado Maytag Washer A606 on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Current bid is $25.00. Located in North Chicago suburb of Morton Grove. Just 1 day and a few hours left!
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Post# 42576-7/24/2004-22:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I started working on the 1958 & 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator dryers last night, the 58 ran ok but only one element is heating. The cause of that was bad wiring which can be replaced and will hopefully work fine. The 1960 was a little more stubborn and refused to run. I traced the problem back to the door switch that was stuck in the "open" position. Once I gave it a squirt of magic juice (WD-40) the dryer ran very nicely. I am completely tearing them down to the cabinet, I first removed the top and sub-top, then removed the drums and seized rear bearings which I will replace with new, sealed bearings after a thorough de-linting, cleaning and reseal of all the cabinet seams. Once these jobs are done I can replace all the parts and test the Filtrator units and drum seals to make sure we have no air leakage (extrememly important in this type of condenser dryer) and then finally test their performance with a load of wash! All of this should take approximately 20 hours for two dryers!
I posted a couple of pics of the inside of the 1960 dryer, one of the worst lint build-up cases I've seen in these dryers. The lint was nearly two inches thick at the front of the machine as well as a thick coating everywhere else that must have caused it to be incredibly slooooooooow. After a thorough vacuuming, the difference is truly beautiful!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/45@1960%20Filtrator%20cabinet%20cleaning@GANSKY1.jpg
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Post# 42577-7/24/2004-22:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Wow - sounds like you have your work cut out for you, Greg! All those Norges, the most interesting will be the 16lb model - I've always wanted to see one of those big agitators running.
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Post# 42578-7/24/2004-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Here's the before and after pics of the '60 Filtrator lint purge...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=45@1960%20Filtrator%20Inside%20before%20cleaning@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 42579-7/24/2004-22:43 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I get a 404 Error when I click on your link. I just changes some internet settings so I don't know if this is the cause or if it is on your end.
Greg
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Post# 42580-7/24/2004-22:45 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: My question has been answered. Thanks
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Post# 42581-7/24/2004-22:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: I've never used epoxy paint except in a spray can for small projects but it looks like it could be a great finish, especially for appliances using water.
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Post# 42582-7/24/2004-22:57 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Boy I can't believe that much lint build up. It is amazing there wasn't a fire. Hope that you had a good vacuum to clean that mess up and it looks like you must have. Why do you think there was that much build up? That seemed like an extreme amount.
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Post# 42583-7/25/2004-01:09 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
1950's Maytag wringer E2L on ebay
MESSAGE: Vintage 1950s Maytag Wringer Washer E2L *AQUA*
**Pick this beauty up near Wichita, Kansas** Item number: 3829519076
2 days
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3829519076&rd=1
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Post# 42584-7/25/2004-08:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve
The parts diagram looks a lot like the Simpsons sold here. The base plate, pads, suspension and so on look the same though the tranny is completely different. I have seen Simpsons with the same problem, it turned out to be the inner tub was not centred on the tranny. On the SIMPSON (don't know if the Maytag is the same)there is a big metal hub which screws on to the top of the tranny top tube. It uses a grub screw to lock in. The hub has a conical rim, the inner tub has a conical centre and the lock nut has a matching conical ring under it. So the inner tub gets sandwiched between the upper and lower conical pieces. There is a cork washer in there too. If it comes loose or gets knocked around the tub can slip and get off centre. The easier answer is to remove the agitator, loosen the locknut (locking ring) then centre the inner tub, tighten the lock ring and reassemble. If that doesn't work, you have to remove the inner tub, clean the hub, fit a new cork washer and reassemble.
Question for the experts - is there another version of the Maytag which has a similar layout but a very different, more bulky tranny?
Chris.
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Post# 42585-7/25/2004-11:55 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (i remember doing that)
MESSAGE: wow greg what a mess i remember mine was like that too am sure mr dryer is happy to be in your hands he couldnt ask for a better new home
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Post# 42586-7/25/2004-12:45 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Holy cow! Looks like someone misplaced their Frigidaire lint brush!
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Post# 42587-7/25/2004-13:28 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Thank You so much Chris. You may be on to something. I will discuss with Steve 1-18 when he comes in to help investigate. Best wishes! Steve
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Post# 42588-7/25/2004-14:34 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hey Steve,
After all my rambling about the lower bearing having some play in it, you might also check the outer tub bearing to see if that has play in it. As Nathan mentioned, there is a bearing sleeve that fits over the top of the tranny and then the outer tub bearing goes over that. Let us know what you find.
John
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Post# 42589-7/25/2004-15:42 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Thank you for the tip. I will keep you posted. -Steve
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Post# 42590-7/25/2004-18:51 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: Finally got these cleaned up and working fine. Now to get to vacuuming! Oh No! I havent done my laundry yet!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/07@Electrolux%20models%20XXX%20and%20LX%20,%20required%20a%20lot%20of%20buffing.@DRMITCH.jpg
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Post# 42591-7/25/2004-19:48 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: To Dr Mitch and all,
I have been collecting vacuums for the better part of my life. I have found all vintage Electrolux's to not only be some of the most well put together machines on the planet; but all of them can still clean a home well...and filter quite well also, considering what we still buy in Wally World to clean our carpets and vacuumable surfaces.
I too have a XXX and a later E-lux Model L w/ PN1. I have had others also including a later model 1205. The only shortcoming I did not like w/the later Luxe's are the abnormally short cleaning hoses that they had.
It wasn't until they went to the hose w/ the powerhead wires inside that the hose grew considerably short. They ARE longer now that they have gone to complete plastic hoses...but the woven electric hoses not only leaked...they were short!!!
My Electrolux model XXX gets the most attention from people that see it...not because it's usually on the main floor...but the fact that it cleans so well for a machine of that age. None can believe the suction that it has until they try it for themselves.
Once they do... I hear most complain about their cheapy Dirt Devils, Eureka Bravo's, Regina's, Fantoms and etc that leave them exasperated and disgusted. One close friend of mine bought a house in July of 99. He hated his vacuum cleaner, so he borrowed my L to clean his new house because he was tired of changing bags; and breaking belts in his Regina Housekeeper. And begged me to buy it.But I said...no I don't wanna get rid of it.
Well, the L in my book wasn't as nice as what I ended up giving him...so he recieved the 1205 I had as a housewarming gift in August 1999 when he had his party to show off his new house. This machine was in such nice shape that he thought that it was a brand new NOS one. His housemates stare at it in disgust.....but no matter. Ken loves it and he's the only one that knows how to vacuum properly out of the bunch anyway.
And an even better compliment. He sits that thing in the corner of his livingroom like it's ready for a photo shoot. And he always points to it and grins when I visit. What a goof, and further kept the Regina for the roomy's to vacuum when they want to. I can't believe that thing stillruns believe it or not...( the Regina I mean)
I looked at your link and can say that your LX and XXX are fabbo. I had one of the LX's for a minute...but the popp-o-matic ejector mechanism was screwed up...I couldn't understand it...and no respectful E-lux tech would touch it w/ a 10 ft. pole. I ended up selling that one in a garage sale some time ago.
My Model 30 or (XXX) must be older or newer, as the bottom of yours is blue. Where mine is grey like the leaterette covering that is on top. I also found a "Attachment Companion" for the XXX from a junked out machine so now my XXX is complete.
I just had to talk lux for a minute. Yours are so awesome...
Good Luck w/ Them
Chad
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Post# 42592-7/25/2004-19:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room (thnxAust)
MESSAGE: your right, hands full and storage full :), thanks, pics to follow,
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Post# 42593-7/25/2004-20:04 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room (thnx(throws water))
MESSAGE: thanks all for your comments, yes Greg, I love the agitator on the "16", that agitator is "BIG" and so far the "15" and "20 by Fedders" really toss the water around, in fact, I had always heard that Norge had a slower, longer stroke. Well the two I ran so far (15&20) definately appear to have a full 180 degree turn and a bit, yet noticeably faster than my '62, or '73 Maytag. I desperately need to get a digital cam, but in the meantime, hang in there and I will get pics out here.
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Post# 42594-7/25/2004-20:08 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room (thnxbob)
MESSAGE: I will post pics as soon as I can Bob, yes, I do remember you commenting when I had posted pics of the coppertone Norge "18" that I had found over a year ago. Well that is currently under repair, so it should be up and running soon, keep your fingers crossed. And yes, it is a TOL, the three that I picked up last week are all MOL, with just temp and water level dial selections and a timer dial period. No lights or buttons, but nevertheless, I still am psyched and can't believe how vigorously they wash. I would like to videotape them at some point as well.
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Post# 42595-7/25/2004-20:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: wow !!!!!
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Post# 42596-7/25/2004-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, You really did a great job on those two Electrolux vacuums. May I ask what you used to polish the chrome and did you use an electric buffer? I too love vacuums and have a model xxx, a tan model G, an aqua model G, and a Diamond Jubilee. These vacuums were really made well unlike what we have out there today. Terry
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Post# 42597-7/25/2004-21:41 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Terry:
I have a Diamond Jubilee, too, purchased last year in a thrift for only $2.02. It had been very neglected, and I had to put about $70 into repairs, but now it's like new.
What amazes me is that the Diamond Jubilee was introduced in 1984, only 20 years ago. How quickly we've lost sight of genuine quality in appliances! Today's machines have features galore, but quality? Sorry, it's not the same.
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Post# 42598-7/25/2004-22:21 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: Did the filtrator, blow air, someone once posted about early norge dryers and said they belched steam and lint at every seam, or are they a vacuum dry system like we have now with, I guess a negative pressure in the drum. (the drum air is exhausted by the fan/blower).. where as i guess the early norge dryer blew the air into the drum.. which way does the filtrator work? thanks alr2903
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Post# 42599-7/25/2004-22:57 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Steve --
Just printed out the recipe and whipped up this low cal, fat free creation. The house is beginning to smell great. I can't wait for this baby to come out of the oven. I use a Kitchen Aid mixer so it really whipped the butter and eggs to a fluffy frenzy. It certainly is RED. I'll bet this cake would have been against the law during the McCarthy Era!
Pat
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Post# 42600-7/25/2004-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: This one is the worst of the five I've done so far, the 59 from the farm was a whole different game but took as much time as this one. Doing two Filtrators at once is a bit daunting and seems to go much slower when I can usually knock them out in a day if I have all the new parts on hand. They are coming along quite nicely though, tomorrow I'll hit Ace Hardware, the insulation supply company and bearing supply so I should have them back in running order in a couple of days.
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Post# 42601-7/25/2004-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: Beautiful!! I have a XXX with all the orginal attachments, book and even the box - now I need to find the time to get it restored! This is certainly good inspiration, thanks for the pics!
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Post# 42602-7/25/2004-23:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I too want to say-supurb restoration job on those 'Lux vacs.I have an LX and a triple "X" model. The triple "X' I bought from a women that used it when she was little. She took very good care of the machine. She bought a new Royal PowerTeam canister to replace it.The LX came from the swap shop I have bought washers from. It didn't have the hose or attachments.The XXX did-had all of its parts.The owner took such good care of it minor work was needed.I have a couple of Diamod Jubilee Models I got as trade is toward a TriStar.Most others the owner wanted to keep them and traded a different machine toward their new TriStar.I have tried their new machines-Ie the Guardian-Not the Quiet Electroluxes of yesteryear-that machine sounds like you are vacuuming with a B52 engine!Its plastic construction is too flimsy for me.Got one as trade and gave it away.I so miss the metal body Electroluxes.
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Post# 42603-7/25/2004-23:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: WAs the machine with a "cedar chest" storage box or the shipping box? That is VERY rare to get them with their original shipping boxes.
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Post# 42604-7/25/2004-23:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: Ugh! I've known a few people that spend half a million dollars on a house and $69.95 on a vacuum to care for it... Over the 4th of July weekend, I restored two Hoover uprights, a model 61 and a 543. I was so impressed with the quality construction and materials, they put today's disposable vacuums to shame!
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Post# 42605-7/25/2004-23:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Wow, what a difference a good cleaning makes!! And yes, WD-40 is the best at making appliances work again! Can't wait to see how they perform with a REAL load!
Just wondering, did you use a vintage or (yuk) modern vacuum to clean the '60 Filtrator? For cleaning the dryer out I use either my 1980 or 1989 Shop-Vac 600 Series which are the most powerful 5-gallon machines ever made. For lighter jobs & cleaning the house I use the 1976 & 1980 Dial-A-Matics or the 1982 Kirby ComVac 1300. After giving away a GE upright & a Euro-Pro Shark compact canister to the thrift store there are no more modern vacuums in our house.
Now if I could convince my mom to let me bolt down the Bendix (when the cabinet is repainted of course--no more "old-refrigerator" look) in the laundry room...
--Austin
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Post# 42606-7/25/2004-23:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: The filtrator is a condenser dryer but uses room temperature air blown over a group of small tubes to condense the moisture from the drying chamber which drips into a water tray at the bottom of the machine. (see linked picture) The drying chamber isn't completely sealed, about 10 cu. ft. per minute moves through the drum and 350 cu. ft. moved across the Filtrator (condensing tube) unit. As the tubes are cooler than the drum air, the warm, moist air in the drum is drawn down to the cooler surfaces of the tubes. Approximately 50% of the moisture removed from the load is condensed this way, the rest magically is absorbed by the environment the dryer is located in ;-) Filtrators do a great job "boiling" off the moisture from the clothes, but fall short of getting rid of the moisture and excess heat effectively.
I don't use my Filtrator much in the summer for obvious reasons but love it in the winter months when added heat and humidity are welcome. I've never had towels as fluffy and soft as those dried in steamy condenser dryers.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/26c6&.dnm=2952.jpg
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Post# 42607-7/25/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: The Bag ejector mechanism in the LX models was the most sophisticated that 'Lux ever designed.A machine with a working mechanism is rare.The mechanism in mine is completely corroded out. I dissasembled it and was very impresses at the sophistication of the mechanism.A pnuematic sensor type system-and better then the electronic ones made today.I would need another machine as a parts source to fix mine.the rubber parts are rotted as well.The Electrolux place near me says the parts are no longer available from Electrolux.I would love to see the Bag ejector work-the self emptying vacuum.I felt that the Woven fabric-rubber hoses were more durable than the ones today.Normally I am a Kirby fan-but still like those vintage Ele ctroluxes as well.Most people now want to keep them rather than selling them or giving them up. I sell TriStar vacuums part time and many customers that have the older Electroluxes just won't give them up as trade ins. They turn in another machine--Usually a "dumpster vac" like a Dirt Devil or something like that.-Or one of those newer horrible "bagless" machines.I am not sure-but one way to tell older XXX's is the older (pre WW2) models had flat sled runners instead of round ones-and a different color body-not blue.I saw that on a website not too long ago about vintage 'Lux vacs.
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Post# 42608-7/25/2004-23:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: After reading the your description of how the condenser dryer works-I would have to assume the machine dosen't use a gas burner or an electric heating element?Ie-the machine dosen't use a heat source.If thats the case sounds like the dryer would conserve on energy.The dryer isn't using created heat to remove moisture from the clothes.
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Post# 42609-7/25/2004-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I don't own a shop-vac but saw one at a sale a few weeks ago that was similar to pics you've posted. I used my Electrolux model "J" vac to clean out these dryers. I find the filter-bag just to easy too pull out and toss away, no muss - no fuss!
I don't think you'll be as impressed with the bolt-down Bendix's performance enough to use it other than for fun. I bolted my model "S" to the basement floor for a few months and found I used it only for a few loads now and then and finally put it "on display" in the spare bedroom! I wanted a Bendix for many years and am thrilled to have one, but it's mostly just fun to look at. 300 rpm spin and the tiny drum just doesn't make for a glowing performance in washing or rinsing.
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Post# 42610-7/25/2004-23:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: I saw one of these at an estate sale a while back (when I found all the vintage Dash and Lux) but it was corroded and useless as you described so I left it behind. Too bad really as they are great looking machines.
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Post# 42611-7/25/2004-23:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: I can agree to that-not only the home-but the furnishings in it-such as the flooring,furniture,etc.If you add this up-the price of a good vac is still nothing.I use that as part of a TriStar demo.Other vac salesmen use it too.They add up the cost of the things in the home you clean with the vac besides the floors-the value of those things is staggering!!Many of the folks that buy the half million dollar homes use maids to do the cleaning-but guess what many of the maids use---Some kind of "dumpster" vac.So the maid is spraying the house with dust or grinding it deeper into the floor.Also not only in cleaning the things-but the hazard of the dust blown out of the inferior vac then YOU act as the final "filter"your lungs.So the good vac is better for your health.And a final thought-the number of "disposable" vacs bought in the given period of time-you could have bought one premium one for much less!Disposable machines last only 2-5 years at best.
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Post# 42612-7/25/2004-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Oh no, there are two Radiantube electric elements with a total of 4400 watts and a "Normal" cutoff temperature of F 200 degrees! Sorry if that was confusing ;-) They never offered a gas model condenser - no way to dispose of the combustion by-products.
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Post# 42613-7/25/2004-23:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: For the really bad cleaning jobs I use My NSS Model M1 vacuum.I have 3 of these machines and one of them is over 30 years old.All of them have cleaned out many broadcast transmitters,transmitter buildings and studio sites.Also have been used for two home remodels.Clean up better than any shop vac.In the times I have vacuumed the lint from the dryer-I have used the M1 or an old TriStar.In the manual on that came with my TriStar-they even suggest using it to vacuum the dryer.Did a great job-its bag was PACKED with the lint and dust!I can agree the older top intack Shop vacs were better than the new ones-They didn't clog as quickly and the intake didn't clog with debris.I tried using my new one to clean the long pine needles off my front patio.Clogged constantly. Got out the M1 and it did much better.Used the cloth dump bag on it-The M1 fan pulverized the needles and I dumpted them into the compost pile or spread them around the bases of the trees!!
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Post# 42614-7/25/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: The condenser dryers are not vented to the outdoors?If they aren't vented-then can see why a gas model wasn't made.So the machine does use a heating element-but the condenser system recovers some of the water-thus not exhausting it into the house.I am tring to get a full "handle" of how condesner dryers worked-Learn more each time I read the entries in this site.This website is better than any appliance manual!
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Post# 42615-7/26/2004-00:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Condensor-type clothes dryer, either water- or air-cooled, do not vent outdoors. That's part of the point. They are suitable for installation in locations where outdoor venting is not possible.
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Post# 42616-7/26/2004-00:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I do admit those Electrolux bags are easy to use! I had a Silverado Deluxe that I just gave away recently, and while the bag's held about as much as Robert's Frigidaire DW so to speak ;-), you couldn't beat the way they just popped in & slid out! I also liked the idea of the rubber diaphragm that "sealed off" dirt; after changing Hoover Type C bottom-fill bags (which as a rule are the messiest vacuum bags out there and hardest to put on as well as take off) this feature came in quite handy.
I've known that a bolt-down Bendix is not the best machine as far as washing goes. I wonder if adjusting the water level a few inches more would have an effect on performance; I dry-ran mine just now and the drum rotates at a good speed when washing--about as fast as a Frigidaire Gallery FL (Frigemore). The drum's narrower than a modern FL, but its height fools you into thinking that it's big...
I'm not in a hurry to clothes-test the Bendix yet; it needs some minor mechanical work and a full cosmetic restoration (i.e. repainting/cleaning) before any kind of wash is attempted. Honestly I'm quite surprised that the mechanicals are in the condition they are now (motor looks brand new).
--Austin
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Post# 42617-7/26/2004-00:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: The LX I have the outer body is in pretty good shape and the motor runs very well and smoothly.Its bag ejector is corroded out.Otherwise the machine works well.I have a case of Electrolux paper bags.Cleaning services buy the large cases of bags.A maid service in Manassas Va used metal Lux machines.They also used Orecks as their upright vacs.
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Post# 42618-7/26/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I have a Hoover Model 31 and use Eureka F &G bags in it.A pack of Hoover "C" bags came with it-the pack is unopened-left it that way.The F & G bag is top fill-converted that Hoover to Top fill by just replacing the bag.Works MUCH better.and less messy bag changes.The "C" bag the incoming dirt has to be blown thru the dust already in the bag.-less efficient.You may have to fold over the very top and bottom of the F-G bag to get it to fit into the Hoover outer vinyl or cloth bag.The self-seal on the Electrolux bags is very nice-When the paper Electrolux bags were first introduced-used in the LX-they called them "wrappers"That same style bag is used in the newer 6500 Electrolux vacs.
Lots of luck with your Bendix-My stepmother's mother had one when she was a girl.I would wonder if that Bendix would be better is some aspects than newer machines-primarily durablity.Would be more rugged than the modern FL's that use electronic controls.
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Post# 42619-7/26/2004-00:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Are condeser style dryers still made?You would think builders would love them-no vents to purchase or install!-Would especially the case if the vent has to go thru a brick wall.I had to install a vent thru such a wall for a friend-involved renting a hammer drill that could handle a 4 or 5" diameter concrete-brick cutting carbide cutter to drill the large hole.-Was a job!!He was installing his dryer in a different area of the home.He ran a 220V line for it as well-both of us were pulling cable for the new outlet.The hammer drill part was sort of fun though.With the condenser model-the vent part would have been avoided.
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Post# 42620-7/26/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Well guys, I bought the perfect project washer this weekend, and the best machine for a beginner restoration in my opinion. It appeared to be in good shape when we picked it up in Galveston, but was somewhat dirty. The lady also said it was still in use when she bought it, but didn't work when she tried it (as stated in the auction). Needless to say I was taking it anyway. After we schlepped it out of the truck and put it in the garage, I looked at it and emptied the remaining water (it had been used recently). 2 hours later (fixed the Maytag diverter valve & rearranged the backroom collection) I went out to the garage and cleaned it up a bit. A little Windex & De-Solv-It made the porcelain top & timer look great. The cabinet had much more dirt and I had to use a lot of elbow grease to make it a little bit more decent. It still has the "old refrigerator" look to it (where an old appliance, usually a refrigerator, is dirty, scratched and with a tiny bit of rust creating an odd effect) and the cabinet will need to be sanded and repainted. I cleaned the tub, cord, & window, and decided to plug it in to see if it really did work. I set the timer to "wash" first, because I hadn't grounded this machine yet. It could probably zap the living hell out of me if I wasn't careful and accidentally touched the cabinet. After opening the door, I plugged it in, and wouldn't you know it the motor started right up, revolving the drum at wash speed. I practically jumped up & yelled "YAY!!!" because I didn't expect it to work at all when I plugged it in. Before I tested it I reasoned that the nonfunctionality came from the timer and I would have to get that part fixed. Little did I know everything worked right there!
So my worklist for the machine so far is (I'll definitely be adding to this later)...
1. New 3-prong cord
2. New drain hose (machine has a pump but drained in a floor drain)
3. New water valve (old one is corroded)
4. WD-40 timer
5. Check hoses (appear to be OK, but if necessary, replace)
6. Clean detergent dispenser (and re-attach detergent screen)
7. Powdercoat back cover black (fortunately all of the Bendix nameplates come off)
8. Powdercoat cabinet white (no old refrigerator look)
9. Powdercoat drain screen white
10. Powdercoat drain trap white
11. New drain screen seal (I've seen these before)
Well I pretty much have my work cut out for me the next few months!!! However I don't think it's going to be hard at all; everything on this machine is easily accessible and easy to disassemble/reassemble. Will keep everyone posted!
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=15@1947%20%20Baby%20Bendix%20@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 42621-7/26/2004-01:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Well can you believe my Bendix still works after being used for 57 years?? That shows quality right there!
--Austin
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Post# 42622-7/26/2004-01:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Also I seriously doubt there will be 20-year-old Neptunes or Hetties...those electronics are just too unreliable. The Frigemores are another story; even though they have an automatic water level sensor they will probably last longer. I'd like to increase the water level to halfway up the window on one...
--Austin
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Post# 42623-7/26/2004-05:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Wow! The one on the left is my Maternal Granny's model! Iused to be fascinated as a child when it would flop open and the bag would eject.
Paternal Granny's vac was one of famous round GE swivel tops, pink & beige. It was replaced by a Hoover upright when it died.
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Post# 42624-7/26/2004-05:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room (Norge agitator stroke)
MESSAGE: When I worked at Montgomery Ward in the 1970's, the appliance department was across the aisle from the Paint Department I worked in. I remember the Wards promo material bragging about the agitator stroke being longer than any other washer.
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Post# 42625-7/26/2004-05:18 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Thanks guys!)
MESSAGE: Thanks everybody!I think I enjoy working on old things.The LX ejector on this one was in good shape(it got my finger when I first opened it,Ouch!)and all the rubber parts were in good contition but I havent tried it yet. Terry I used a 6in hard sewn cotton buff on a bench grinder and a cut and color tripoli compound and finally Mothers polish by hand. Thanks again, Don
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Post# 42626-7/26/2004-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condensor dryers)
MESSAGE: Domestic manufacturers stopped making condensor dryers, but overseas cmopanies either continued to make them, or have re-introduced the concept recently
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Post# 42627-7/26/2004-05:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (grounding)
MESSAGE: You might want to check the grounding INSIDE older machines. Just putting on a current 3 prong cord may not be enough. If you check inside a washer or dishwasher made after 3 wire cords became standard, you'll see a lot of ground wires connecting different components together so that every part that should be grounded is included in the grounding circuit to the cord.
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Post# 42628-7/26/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
20 year old electronics
MESSAGE: Oh, I don't know about that, the electronics in my '78 LK Solid State is about the only component that HASN'T failed over the years. And it's OLDER than 20 years.
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Post# 42629-7/26/2004-05:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: I keep reading about corrosion killing the bag ejector mechanism, but what would cause that? People trying to vacuum up water? I wouldn't think most people aren't THAT dumb.
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Post# 42630-7/26/2004-06:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Hi! I hope you enjoy it! I was in your area not long ago. I am also a collector of commercial aviation artifacts. Took a tour of the aircraft "boneyards" in your area! Best wishes-Steve
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Post# 42631-7/26/2004-06:47 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: You are so right----the filtrator dryer I had was great on towels and heavy cottons!
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Post# 42632-7/26/2004-07:01 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Years ago, in (East) Atlanta, I remember the first coin laundry I was ever in had those old Bendix machines. That would have been in the early 60's so they already had some age on them. That laundry still had them when I ventured in sometime in the early 70's!!! They were tough! Congrats on your find! Best wishes! Steve
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Post# 42633-7/26/2004-07:15 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: A lot of older vacs become "semi-retired" when someone buys a new vac. The older one gets put in the garage or basement, to be used for dirtier jobs, or car vacuuming. The humidity in these areas is attracted by the dirt in the dust bag. That moisture can do a big number on a vac.
I have never understood the way most people treat a vac; people who will spend over $1000 on one will not take care of it. They get all tight-fisted when it comes to bags and filters; a lot of vacs end up with problems due to bags getting so full they burst- so good for the motor! They won't clean the power head of the vac; my Diamond Jubilee's power head was totally jammed and had broken parts when I bought it. And they won't go buy a new part when something breaks- they try to use duct tape on hoses, or on broken latches.
If you do four things, a quality vacuum will last your lifetime:
1) Replace the bag and any filters frequently; bags and filters cost very little compared to a new motor. Belts should also be replaced about once a year, since they wear and stretch. You'd be amazed at the difference in the performance of a vac with a new belt vs. an old one.
2) Disassemble the power head a couple of times a year, cleaning out all strings and lint, and making sure the roller brush bearings are clean. If the head jams on a string, make sure you get it all out before resuming use of the power head.
3) If something on the vac breaks or wears out, go get a new factory part, or a good-quality aftermarket replacement. Home-made repairs almost never restore a vac's full function.
4) After you finish vacuuming the room, vacuum the vac and any tools you've used (use the bare end of the hose for this). A clean vac is a pleasant vac to use.
That's really all there is to it, and I can't understand why so many people will let an expensive vac go to ruin.
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Post# 42634-7/26/2004-11:07 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
"squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Is anyone familiar with a vintage automatic washer that had a rubber tub that squeezed clothes dry in lieu of a spin cycle? During the the dry part of the cycle the sides of the rubber tub slowly came in and compressed the clothes to wring out the water. My parents used to have one and I think they said it was a "Thor", but I could be wrong.
Does anyone have any information on this machine?
Barry
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Post# 42635-7/26/2004-11:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Wow look at all that lint, if you don't clean out the outer drum of the Filtrator at least twice a year that is what happens.
Don't forget to save that lint Greg, someone might want it for their dryer lint collection!
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Post# 42636-7/26/2004-11:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Great start Austin, this looks like its going to keep you busy for quite a while!
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Post# 42637-7/26/2004-11:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a Bendix rubber tub washer, I have one, when I get a chance I will photograph it for you. I beleve Greg has some pictures of it running too.
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Post# 42638-7/26/2004-11:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: From the archives:
Post# 33387-10/6/2003-13:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Bendix used "Extract" on their rubber tub washers, they didn't spin but used a vacuum pump to squeeze the water from the clothes.
You can also search the archives and previous posts to find out more
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Post# 42639-7/26/2004-12:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Excellent! Glad to hear everything works so far. I'm sure it will be shining and beautiful when you finish with it, best of luck on the restoration!
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Post# 42640-7/26/2004-12:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I've alreay got it in a bag saved for you!
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Post# 42641-7/26/2004-12:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin (pictures online)
MESSAGE: Here are the pics I took when I had that machine here. "Download" picture for the full size version from Yahoo.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/62a9&.dnm=04ad.jpg
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Post# 42642-7/26/2004-12:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: Seller's list of appliances; washers, dryer, ranges, refrigerators and a couple of televisions to watch the vintage commercials on!
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=deaconcouture&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
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Post# 42643-7/26/2004-12:18 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin (pictures online)
MESSAGE: Thanks for for the info guys and the pictures. Out of curiosity, how well did the Bendix extract water with this sqeeze action?
Barry
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Post# 42644-7/26/2004-12:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: I remember them to be Bendix. The water bubbled up through the center-post of the agitator to fill-how cool. Don't recall how good a job it did of extracting water.
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Post# 42645-7/26/2004-12:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Also, I seem to remember the inside of the lid had a large deep metal disk or something on it. I never knew what that was for.
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Post# 42646-7/26/2004-12:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: ...guess they wanted us to be surprised when we opened each of the auctions! :) Some very nice things here.
That is a very nice RCA Whirlpool, and the Chieftain which has never been used. I loved the one refrigerator that said "color: white, with rust." LOL Do you think the auto Maytag is an AMP? The lid looks like it, but...
I watched a movie on Saturday where two of the characters operated a tv and appliance store, around 1950. They did a nice job of creating the set, and there were some original looking Frigidaire boxes in the basement part. There was a boltdown Bendix, and the only gaffe, which only an appliance person would notice, were red and blue trimmed Maytags on the floor together with one another. (Does anyone know when they switched from the red to the blue trim?)
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Post# 42647-7/26/2004-13:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Aahhh!!! Will you look at this....a 1955 Filtrator in yellow!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3830039621&rd=1
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Post# 42648-7/26/2004-13:22 ||| BruLc2 (Tulsa, Ok.)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: The washer you are talking about is a Bendix.
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Post# 42649-7/26/2004-13:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Yes, condenser dryers are still made. At least almost every European brand makes condenser dryers. The design was greatly improved, the system they now use is rather different from the Filtrator system. In short, it's a two airflow system. One is the air that circulates in the machine. It is heated, enters the drum, dryes the laundry and leaves the drum. Outside the drum it is cooled off and because of that the moisture in the air condenses. After that the air is heated again and reenters the drum. The other airflow cools off the first flow in the condenser. Both airflows never get in touch with eachother, the condenser has separate channels for them. After the moisture is condensed it is pumped up to the drawer in the control panel or out of the machine if a drainhose is connected.
This system has the great advantage that no moisture is entering the room the dryer is in. Just for the record, these machines have four motors. One for the drum, one for the dryer fan, one for the condenser fan and one for the pump.
The pictures shows both a vented dryer and a condenser one. It's from an AEG brochure. Here's the explanation of the numbers: 1. Circulation fan 2. Heating element 3. Drying air 4. Cold air 5. Condenser fan 6. Condenser 7. Pump for condensed water 8. Reservoir for condensed water.
Sorry for the long post, hope it makes it all clear.
Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=167604244&photoID=167604536&security=hCMFIG
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Post# 42650-7/26/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new treasure and good luck with the restoration.
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Post# 42651-7/26/2004-13:39 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: The rubber tub Bendix Economat agitated well but did a poor job of sqeezing water out of the clothes. I think the appeal of the machine at the time was that it was a safer alternative to a wringer, and did not have to be bolted to the floor. Could be used as a semi-automatic since you had to fill it manually. Another problem was sharp object puncturing the rubber tub, which would render the machine useless( could not create a vacuum for the squeezing of the clothes and the tub would not hold water for the wash.
John
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Post# 42652-7/26/2004-13:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Well Richie, you could have the 55 Filtrator in *both* colors now! Won't Gary be surprised. :-)
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Post# 42653-7/26/2004-15:07 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: I was in there last week with my sister, they are an old family owned furniture/appliance store going out of business, the frig's do not work and are in nasty shape ........ I think thier asking prices are ridiculous personally, but who knows.
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Post# 42654-7/26/2004-15:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: four new machines and no room (Norge agitator stroke(and fast?))
MESSAGE: and fast too, I was so surprised that it is actually faster than the older Maytags that I own.
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Post# 42655-7/26/2004-18:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: I didn't realize this, but the Washington Post's article about our site was published on tuesday, July 8, 2004. The writer sent me a copy by mail and I received it today. Hopefully the Washington Post wont mind but here is a copy of the article. Not what I expected, but none-the-less a wonderful article...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/TEMP/washingtonpost.jpg
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Post# 42656-7/26/2004-18:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40)
MESSAGE: Be careful when you "WD40" the timer. A friend had an old Norge,where the timer was tough to turn. He sprayed WD 40 into the timer and promptly ended up ruining the timer,because some contacts shorted,and actually welded together.
Might be tough finding a Bendix timer these days.....
kennyGF
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Post# 42657-7/26/2004-19:10 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator thankYou Gansky)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that explanation, somehow I missed the album your link took me too. Your collection very NICE..So at the end of the drying cycle is there lint and a big mess in that water pan or just water? Thanks again alr2903
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Post# 42658-7/26/2004-19:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: Not too bad, it did mention the website so hopefully we'll be seeing some need for Craters and Freighters bringing an Apex to your door! I'm surprised your mother didn't call you!
Love your hair in the picture by the way...
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Post# 42659-7/26/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: It is absolutely amazing to me how folks treat their vacs-Even the expensive premium quality ones.They treat it no better than cheap "dumpster" vacs.Just recently I got a Kirby Ultimate G as a trade in for a TriStar-The Kirby wouldn't be more than a couple years old-but it looked like it was ten years old at the abuse it got-the attachements were missing.Took lots of cleaner and alcohol to clean it up.Must of been used in a restaurant-the machine was greasy-grimey.The inside of the nozzle was caked with grease(food type) and sand.The area here is very humid and sandy.The inside of its nozzle was corroded.Cleaned it up .The inside of the fan housing was caked with grease,sand,dist.The fan was OK.Miracle on that one.Had to run some of the parts thru the dishwasher to clean them-Handle assembly.At one vac shop out here-its closed now-but she got a Kirby G6 whose paper bag was so full it had burst inside the outer cloth bag.-and that machine would still pick up!!It amazed that vac store operator-she beleived in Kirbys then.It was owned by a womam that got ill and the her kids did the housework for her.They didn't know about replacing the Kirby bag-was in the machine for 6 months!!the smell was bad too.Helped the store operator in cleaning it up.Another vac she got was owned by a colledge student who used it to pick up his puppies "solid accidents" on the rug.The puppy doo badly corroded the metal housing. Was an older TriStar.As another vac store operator told me people use their vacs as electric "dirt shovels"At his store he sold a person a brand new Sharp upright vac-he then promply used it to vacuum the ashes out of his fireplace!!There was a live ash in the mess-it melted the Sharps bag housing and almost caught it on fire.He displays the machine on a pedistal in his store.Its a wonder the owners house didn't burn down.That vac was only a few days old.
When I sell a new TriStar vac I emphasize emptying the bag after each use and replacing the paper liner bag once a month.I use the dust brush to vacuum off my machine after using it-as well as the power nozzle assembly.The 'Lux LX I got was a victim of the bag contents corrosion.Looked like the bag was in it for a long time.In the areas where we live the humidity is very high.Its a problem along the whole East Coast.
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Post# 42660-7/26/2004-19:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: I would like to add one thing to your list.
Hang up the hose when you're done. If you leave the hose set up, the ends will wear faster. Hang it up from the middle and let the ends dangle free and straight.
Ken D.
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Post# 42661-7/26/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Leaving the full paper bag in the machine for a very long period of time. The climate in my area is VERY humid. the dust and dirt in the bag attract and absorb the moisture.That caused the parts of the bag ejector in my machine to corrode.I got a vintage bagful of dirt with my machine.Thats the first thing I check when a get a vac-Replace or empty the bag.I wish I could have gotten to it a long time ago.That bag must of been in the machine for years!
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Post# 42662-7/26/2004-19:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Thats a very good point as well-in fact a poster that came with one of my NSS Model M1 vacs showed that.They pictured the hose hanging on pegs on a closet wall taking the strain off the hose connectors.Then they show a picture of the hose and machine in the "incorrect" picture with the hose on the machine and wrapped tightly around the bag support rod.This is especailly important with hoses that have wires for power nozzles.
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Post# 42663-7/26/2004-19:54 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Completely true. The Electrolux woven hoses (or any woven hose for that matter) gets stiff (they are stiffer anyway) putting strain on the ends (by wrapping the hose or leaving the hose attached to the power nozzle and standing it upright) will cause the hose to start fraying. The ends of the hose of our Electrolux Ambassador has started to strain.
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Post# 42664-7/26/2004-19:57 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Same with me. We just got 2 vacuums from family members (a rebadged 80s Eureka canister and we got our Electrolux Ambassador back)
I took each apart to the motor. The Eureka was in bad shape (every filter was clogged, motor area was full of chunks of dirt)
The Electrolux was very clean (was only with my sister for a short time:-)
If it is a vintage vacuum, checking the wiring and motor is always a good idea also;-)
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Post# 42665-7/26/2004-20:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Fortunately the motors and wiring in both of my very vintage Electrolux vacs is OK.At how smooth their motors run-leaving the motors alone is the best bet.One of my machine a Triple "X" had good care from its former owner.The motors were surpriszingly clean.Even no dirt on the fans.
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Post# 42666-7/26/2004-20:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Yes,the woven vac hoses were especially vulnerable to strain.Their stiff nature didn't help them either.I have one M1 hose that's over 30 years old-its dirty but in good shape.No splitting or cracking-yet.Still gets regular use.
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Post# 42667-7/26/2004-20:29 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember this one? We had one when I was a kid in the '70s. It had the bright green front panel. In the late '70s when we got a type C upright, I remember my Mom saying that the Dial-A-Matic had stronger suction than the new vacuum. In retrospect, the screen that protected the motor at the base of the bag compartment seemed so small (about 1 1/2" x 5")to allow such a rapid airflow. It too became the second hand vac of a few relatives before it just disappeared one day.
Pete
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Post# 42668-7/26/2004-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: That is pretrty good-A usuable collectable!!It could still be cleaning clothes long after many "newer Maytags and such have gone to washer heaven!I would also bet many of the hardware parts in it a readly available at most well stocked hardware suppliers.-Things such as bearings,belts,pulleys and such.Good chance a well stocked farm supply store could keep that machine going!I was looking at the farm store near here and they had all kinds of sizes of pulleys and belts in a department near the mowers and tractors.
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Post# 42669-7/26/2004-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Yes-my mother had one.Lasted over 30 years.I replaced the belts in it for her.Unlike todays clean air uprights-that had a metal lower housing.They were considered the first clean air upright vac-The bag and filters ahead of the fan.No debris picked up going thru the fan.Hers was grey and red in color-I beleive.
she traded it in on a Panasonic upright.
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Post# 42670-7/26/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: The link isn't working-sounds like the AEG machine is very comprehensive.Sounds like it needs a drain for the water it condenses.I suppose a disadvantage of the condenser dryers is the mechanism is more complex.They would be more expensive to build or purchase.Still sounds like a neat idea that needs reviving in the US.The water collected might even be useful for something.-Good for those "grey" water systems.They recycle water like that for irrigation and such.I like the idea the water is condensed out of the dryer exhaust air.
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Post# 42671-7/26/2004-21:24 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Guilty as Charged!)
MESSAGE: That almost sounds like a description of my Kirby G4 that I bought new. It was a great help when I was tiling the house here. Picking up thinset, ceramic tile chunks, nails, etc. It's come through with flying colors. Now in semi-retirement, I've added a Hoover Floormate for most of the cleaning/washing of the 1900 sqare feet of tile.
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Post# 42672-7/26/2004-21:31 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Thanks guys!)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, I am glad that the ejector still works on yours. I thought that maybe you had used a bench grinder to buff it out as they look just beautiful. That is something I really need to get one of these days. I also have used Mother's with good results. You did a great job. Terry
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Post# 42673-7/26/2004-21:37 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, I know that you are going to love the Diamon Jubilee. I bought mine new in 1985 and have never had a problem with it. My all time favorite Electrolux is the model G either the aqua or tan one. When you turn on that machine you can hear quality...I would say that you got a great buy on your machine. Terry
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Post# 42674-7/26/2004-21:38 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, Let us know how your pound cake turned out!! I bet that it did smell good!!
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Post# 42675-7/26/2004-21:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: I have 2 Dial-A-Matics, made in 1976 & 1980. Very powerful machines; I use them daily in the house. The 1976 model lacks a headlight (even though the 1969 version had one) and has a bright orange front panel. The 1980 model was the last Dial-A-Matic version produced and has a bright blue front with a headlight. Both are self-propelled (Automatic Power Drive). Suction on carpet & with tools is EXCELLENT; only exceeded by the Hoover Celebrity, which in my opinion was the most powerful Hoover vacuum ever made. The only gripe I have is that the Type D bags have a low fill opening, so you have to change them frequently. The bag-compartment screen has many rows of holes which don't compromise suction power.
The Dial-A-Matics were produced in the mid-60s--late 70's as Hoover's first (and only for a long time) clean-air upright. The self-propelled version was introduced in 1969 and was yellow & brown. The green version that you speak of was made during the 70's.
--Austin
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Post# 42676-7/26/2004-21:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Post# 42677-7/26/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Guilty as Charged!)
MESSAGE: Its a wonder you didn't break the fan-Those Kirby lexan fans are tougher than we think.I don't normally think of a Kirby as the choice for remodeling job cleanbups.Sounds like yours held up very well.How well does the Hoover Floormate work?Have seen them in many stores.Does your Kirby have the shampooer?I guess it wouldn't be of much use to you at this point-for 1900 Sq ft of tile.You can get a bare-hard floor nozzle attachment for the Kirby-You disengage the roller brush and clip the attachment to the bottom of the floor-carpet nozzle.Works very well-I use it on my Kirbys.You don't need to convert the Kirby to the hose mode to use it.
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Post# 42678-7/26/2004-21:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I got an Electrolux G once-but had to turn it back over to the owner-she cancelled the TriStar purchase-Too bad-was a beautiful Turquoise color.It also worked well.The motor ran so smooth and quiet.Didn't sound like an F-16 in the living room.
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Post# 42679-7/26/2004-21:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Did the last model Hoover Dial-A-Matic still have the metal lower housing?I thought it was impressive and just as light as the plastic "clones" made today by various companies.Too bad Hoover didn't hang onto the DAM patent.The Hoover metal body held up much better-especially at the handle-body pivot points.The plastic housings on todays clone machine crack regularly.Check at any vac repair shop.You will see a big pile of Sharp,Panasonic,Riccar.etc lower housings.Also the Hoover machine could do the same job as the new clones with a smaller motor.The others were in a "amp" race.
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Post# 42680-7/26/2004-22:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, thank goodness I went to the beauty parlor the day before the reports showed up for the pictures :) And check out those MINT rubber fins on my Kelvy Dasher!
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Post# 42681-7/26/2004-22:12 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: No shampoo attachment. When I bought the machine, I used that dry clean powder for my carpets in Arizona. Which reminds me, anybody remember "Glamorene?" I used to love the smell of that stuff when my Mom cleaned our carpets at home with her Kirby. I think it had carbon tetrachloride in it.
I'll have to check a couple of the local vacuum stores here for that bare floor attachment. I have had those in the past with my other Kirbys.
Though new, the Floormate does a fantastic job on the tile. It's 18 inch square porcelain and between a cat in heat, a doberman with stomach issues and a parrot that can scatter his food all over the room, the Floormate is in constant use.
Also I do have an older Electrolux in the garage that I've tried to bring back, though haven't had a lot of time. I did get a new cloth bag for it and last time I ran it, it didn't seem to have a lot of suction. Any suggestions?
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Post# 42682-7/26/2004-22:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Except for one machine having a headlight & the different styling, the 1976 & 1980 models are basically the same and one is just as tough as the other...
They aren't light machines either...the Power Drive gearcase & powerful motor makes them bottom-heavy. The non-self-propelled 60's Dial-A-Matics were lighter. Eureka had a light-weight self-propelled machine but the drive system was weak (used smooth metal wheels instead of rubber tires) and the cable used to engage the drive was too tight; you couldn't lie the handle flat like you can on a DAM...
--Austin
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Post# 42683-7/26/2004-22:17 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Washington Post Article (kelvy hair)
MESSAGE: and that POODLE apron is to die for.:-) alr2903
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Post# 42684-7/26/2004-22:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: Vintage vacuums are a fine discussion here, but modern machines like the Floormate & G4 should go to the Sandbox...
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Post# 42685-7/26/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: The rare Hospital G machine (white & turquoise with a square filter on the back) is even quieter if you can believe that. Charlie Lester has one (linked here) and states that "it's so quiet all you can hear is the air rushing through the floor nozzle."
They pop up on eBay sometimes but I'm hard-pressed to find one.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.137.com/lux/luxfg.html
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Post# 42686-7/26/2004-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Oh noooooooooo! And only a few hours from me...but alas, the washer is missing.
I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator!
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Post# 42687-7/26/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Yes-Have heard of the "Hospital" G's.Some consider it to be the first commonly available HEPA vac.The filter also made a good muffler.Have never seen one iin person.Seen the Charlie Lester Site.They are very hard to find.-Especially in any good kind of condition.
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Post# 42688-7/26/2004-22:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: Was the movie "Avalon" - about an immigrant family in Baltimore? I love that movie and remember the vintage appliance and TV scenes in the store well. I remember the rows of wringers and the Bendix at the far end, but saw no other automatic laundry stuff - too bad I didn't have the garage full as it is now when they were filming!
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Post# 42689-7/26/2004-22:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Charlie speaks the truth. I was at his home and tried his Hospital G. It is like cleaning with a central vacuum system....you just hear air rushing. He also has a "Y" shaped adapter he fashioned that connects two Electroluxes onto one hose. Talk about suction!! He has quite an impressive Electrolux collection.
(I have a model E that is great....much lighter than some of the other Electroluxes but still powerful.)
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Post# 42690-7/26/2004-22:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Here's a bottle of Glamorene - in the lower right corner, bottom shelf.
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Post# 42691-7/26/2004-22:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: D'oh! Here's the picture...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=17@Detergent%20Collection@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1
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Post# 42692-7/26/2004-23:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great American Garage Clean-Up)
MESSAGE: I visit his site quite frequently, and I remember when you & Mark Tomey did the "Great American Garage Clean-Up" in 2001 & 2002 when you were joined by the other guys.
--Austin
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Post# 42693-7/26/2004-23:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I'll never be able to afford a Hospital G as long as their prices stay the same on eBay; the last one went for close to $300 I think and it was missing the rear filter.
--Austin
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Post# 42694-7/26/2004-23:27 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: I grew up with that vac ........ great suction, hard to push.
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Post# 42695-7/26/2004-23:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: My mothers machine was from the 60's I suppose when DAM's were first introduced.Hers didn't have the Power-Drive.The Eureka transmission had lots of service problems. There was a pile of them at one of the vac shops I frequented.The older DAM seemed to puish pretty well with out the Power Drive.
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Post# 42696-7/26/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Thats one of the problems with EBay-it drives the prices on such things up.People focus on the bidding rather than the item they are bidding on.I can't afford a Hospital G either.I wonder if the filters are still available.
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Post# 42697-7/26/2004-23:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: G4's are starting to approach the 10 year old mark.
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Post# 42698-7/27/2004-00:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: I hope "Glamorene " didn't have Carbon Tech in it-Carbon Tech is a VERY TOXIC material. I used it just only once--there was a bottle of it at a very old radio station transmitter site. Used to be used for cleaning insulators,tube envelopes,capacitor envelopes in transmitters.The fumes of that stuff made me goofy.No telling what in the long term-some toxilogists say it can cause liver damage.When I worked at that tx site-I brought my own cleaner.The carbon Tech fumes can be absorbed thru the skin as well.Stay away from that stuff. It is now illegal for it to be sold as a cleaner or in cleaning products.
There is a dry carpet cleaner sold under the "Host" brand.They do have a website.It is sold thru TriStar dealers.They also provide the machine used to work it into the carpet-You then vacuum the carpet to pick up the used "Host" cleaner.The cleaner is very tiny damp sponges that contain detergent.Host carpet cleaner is also used commercially.They show the larger commercial Host carpet cleaning machines on their website.
I would suspect with all the pets -that would keep the Floormate busy.
About the only things I can immediatly think of on your older Electrolux cleaner- Is the motor clean?are the fans clean-a clogged fan or fan housing could cause weak airflow in the 'Lux vac.The motor could be running at abnormally slow speed due to bad brushes or a dirty communtator.I knew of one Electrolux Tech that cleaned the fans of any 'Lux vac he worked on.That helped.It was amazing the amount of caked dust that collected in the fan and fan housing.That was especially if the paper bag in the machine ripped or burst.Sometimes vac stores do have the Kirby bare floor attachments. Try them first. If you go to a Kirby distributer-he will try to sell you a new Kirby.A floor attachment for a new Kirby should still fit your G4.The Kirby place is good to try though if the others fail.I have seen the floor attachments in some vac dealers boxes of misc vac parts.
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Post# 42699-7/27/2004-00:34 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the photo and the update on the Glamorene. What my Mom used looked like sawdust. It came in a large jar. She'd sprinkle it on the rug. Let it set and I think brush it a bit. Then used her Kirby to clean it up. It did have a very distinct smell. And as I recall, didn't do a real great job on the carpets either. The stuff I used in Phoenix was Capture.
I'll give the Electrolux a going over. It has just the cloth bag in it, which had to be ordered. I think this was an older machine, that was resold at some point as a reconditioned model. I'd love to find one of those with the bag ejector. As the old bag was torn, it may well be just clogged up with dust and dirt. I'm assuming things linke new motor brushes can be bought at larger vacuum stores.
I won't digress too much here, but I will check out that bare floor attachment.
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Post# 42700-7/27/2004-00:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: That's the one! I had it from Netflix and watched it Saturday when I was sick. Very enjoyable movie.
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Post# 42701-7/27/2004-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Capture I beleive is a dry carpet cleaner like the Host cleaner.Sounds like what your Mom used was something like Host or capture.I haven't personally used the Host cleaner. It is shown in the sales book for the TriStar demo kit. The TriStar dist here is still very small. When there is enough customers they will undoubtly request to buy the Host cleaner and use the machine. The machine can be used free by TriStar puchasers.They have to purchase the Host cleaner.I would like to experiment with it.Would be nice in this area becuase of the humidity. If you use a wet carpet cleaning system here-It takes a while for it to dry even with air conditioning going and fans going.also the wet cleaners can seroiusly damage wood or particle board subfloors(both common here)The dry cleaners don't have that danger.You just have to thouroughly vacuum up the used cleaner.Good luck in finding an Electrolux Model "LX" the "self emptying vacuum cleaner" as there early sales books called it.Ones with working bag ejectors are rare.The mechanisms don't survive the ravages of time and use.
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Post# 42702-7/27/2004-04:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: This link should work.
Here's the explanation again of the numbers: 1. Circulation fan 2. Heating element 3. Drying air 4. Cold air 5. Condenser fan 6. Condenser 7. Pump for condensed water 8. Reservoir for condensed water.
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/photo/167604244/167604536hCMFIG
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Post# 42703-7/27/2004-04:18 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: Yes,the prices are outrageous,especially for items of unknown working condition. I've got the twin to the GE electric range,and I know mine works,and is in beautiful shape.1I'd take less than 1/4 his asking price.
kenny GF
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Post# 42704-7/27/2004-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: I've heard of people having that problem or something similar with WD-40 in timers, but I haven't experienced it. BUT, I think it would be smart to let the timer "dry out" for a while before using it with the power on. Plus the stuff is flammable and one can get a little "explosion" if the timer is turned on while still wet. Otherwise, I've heard and experienced more good than bad regardiing that particular use of WD-40.
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Post# 42705-7/27/2004-06:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (working condition)
MESSAGE: Actually, they aren't trying to fool anyone, they say right up front whether the item is working or not, except for one, the Maytag automatic, where they weren't certain.
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Post# 42706-7/27/2004-06:25 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: great pics Greg, love those lighted consoles ..........
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Post# 42707-7/27/2004-06:29 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: I have that matching range too, mint, working perfectly, even the clock works and I was going to put it on ebay for a bit less than that .........
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Post# 42708-7/27/2004-06:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW.
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Post# 42709-7/27/2004-06:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Any Norge experts out here? Well I have noticed with my recently acquired Norges that the tub brake solenoid disengages then "still drains-no spin" like Whirlpool before "another solenoid?????" engages the spin ........ but during this "still-drain" period, the agitator does try to "agitate" and the tub "indexes" ....... whereas it is actually in between both agitate and spin ..... I guess this is normal ...... BUT .... but I notice that after the wash cycle, drains-OK, goes into spin-OK, then slowly stops spinning going back into the "still-drain"??????, then engages AGAIN and goes back into spin ........ then stops to fill for the rinse , agitates, drains, spins no prob ...... so obviously my question is why does it start then stop spinning for two minutes during the first extraction period then restart spinning ?? Am I making sense ?? hahahahahha
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Post# 42710-7/27/2004-06:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: Awhile back I had purchased a new/rebuilt timer from "midwest" for my '51 Frigidaire and have had minor trouble with it since. Whereas a few months had passed and I did not want to deal with the rudeness that I always experience with "midwest", I sent it in to someone else (I like this guy and his work) who told me that it did need work and I just got it back again, installed last night and it still does not work right ......uuuggghhhh..... what happens is it fills and fills and fills during the entire wash period, NEVER starts to agitate and goes right into first spin, secondly even more puzzling to me and I don't know if this is bad for the machine but ..... at the end of the first spin, the machine motor does NOT shut off but goes immediately from spin back into agitation for one minute or 45 sec? then the motor turns off and the machine starts to fill for rinse. After the first spin stops, shouldn't there be a pause before fill with the motor NOT running at all?? Is it bad for the motor to go from spin back into agitate versus the other (normal) way around ??? I pulled the timer again and was going to resend back to the guy who just rebuilt it. Should I just get a different rebuilt timer ??
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Post# 42711-7/27/2004-08:02 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Mark, please check you e-mail for my memo. Thanks! -Steve
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Post# 42712-7/27/2004-08:03 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: I'm no Norge expert by any means, but, I think that is why the 1st spin is called "extract" instead of "spin" . I think it is a special spin routine that it does. I'm not sure why. Sounds like final spin is normal; correct? Maybe the indexing and agitation is done to shift the wet clothes, or maybe it isn't supposed to do that at all.Is the tub being held still when you see this indexing happening? When it goes into the 2nd phase of spin, does the motor pause or the solenoid engage the brake? Are we talking the Borg-Warner or the Fedders machine? I have a repair-master for the Fedders style washer.
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Post# 42713-7/27/2004-08:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: The unimatic washer that is in your folk's garage. Is that the same timer? Maybe you could swap them out if that timer is good?
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Post# 42714-7/27/2004-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: But in Harvest I mean Stradford Yellow, wow is that rare Greg. The Nebraska contingent needs another Filtrator!
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Post# 42715-7/27/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: Personally I would never spray WD-40 willy-nilly into a timer, I would take it apart and see exactly where its binding and then apply a little grease to the shaft only where its needed.
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Post# 42716-7/27/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: That timer is in bad shape, I would not send that back to them because they will say they fixed it without even looking at it. I had a timer with the same problem, it wouldn't turn the motor off during the spin brake period so it went right back into agitation, this is very hard on the vintage transmission. I sent it back to them and they had the nerve to tell me they sent me a new one, well it was the exact same timer with new shrinkwrapping and the same problem. So I opened it up and was able to shave down the problem cam and fixed it. But yours sounds even worse, so I would just order another one and hope for the best, at least they are relatively inexpensive.
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Post# 42717-7/27/2004-09:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: Do Frigidaires of that era have numbered/lettered/ colored wires? Did you check to see that all wires are on the right terminals?
(just a thought; not questioning your ability). Does it pulsate in the rinse cycle? As far as what happens between 1st spin and rinse fill, could be that the raised part of the cam in the timer is not breaking the motor contact to stop the motor during coasting? I'm not sure if rebuilt timers can be tested outside the machine. What about the unimatic that is under the porch in the back? Does that have a good timer? Oh wait, I think you said you haven't plugged it in yet! Duh...sorry!
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Post# 42718-7/27/2004-09:54 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
thanks!
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the comments to my questions about the Bendix with the squeeze extraction. This is a great website! It's nice to find others with an interest in and appreciation of appliances.
Barry
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Post# 42719-7/27/2004-10:51 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: I agree with Uni and others. I have had bad experience with WD-40 in timers also. Not recommended.
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Post# 42720-7/27/2004-11:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: Glad I heard some opinions about the WD-40 in the timers since Bendix timers are indeed hard to find. I'm not using it in this one!
--Austin
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Post# 42721-7/27/2004-11:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: ...there is a contact cleaner that is safe to use on timers and anything electrical. It cleans and lubricates! You can get it from any radio/tv shop. I would NEVER trust a vintage timer to WD-40 even though it does work miricles in certain applications but not on electrical parts. Mark
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Post# 42722-7/27/2004-11:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Hi Steve! You should have my reply by now. If not, please advise. Mark
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Post# 42723-7/27/2004-11:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
THE FAMOUS EBAY PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: GREETINGS EVERYONE!!! I am leaving for Ohio tomorrow morning to pick up the Philco ebay wins. I've already located a new flapper for the agitator. Can't wait to get it repaired and up and running. I'll get photos as soon as I return on Tuesday. Mark
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Post# 42724-7/27/2004-11:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS EBAY PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: YAY! Can't wait to see 'em in action!
--Austin
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Post# 42725-7/27/2004-11:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Final spin is normal, I think the "drain-phase" where the machine tries to both agitate and tub indexes is normal, if you grab both, they stop and no problems, my concern/question is that the machine goes from drain to spin back to drain then back to spin again during the first "extract" period before rinse, to me it should just go to drain then spin period then to rinse. This issue is with the BW. There are no issues with the Fedders machine, knock on wood.
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Post# 42726-7/27/2004-11:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: its different, the one I have now has two rinses, where the '53 in the garage has an overflow rinse.
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Post# 42727-7/27/2004-11:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: I figured as much ...........
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Post# 42728-7/27/2004-12:02 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: I double checked my wiring, that is OK, yes it does pulsate fine in rinses, .............. yea, I wish I could actually see what is contacting what while the machine is in operation, but don't want to break open the timer and have it "hooked up", talk about risking electric shock, as it is, this machine does not have a three prong plug .............
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Post# 42729-7/27/2004-12:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Hi! I just checked and again I got the same thing about the system being overloaded. I will call the techies and see if they can help. It keeps saying it is returning the message to sender and asks for the e-mail to be reduced in size!
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Post# 42730-7/27/2004-12:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE:
"I wish I could actually see what is contacting what while the machine is in operation"
Hi Greg, You can if you use a multimeter and test for continuity. To do this you need to make sure all the wires are off of the timer terminals and the power cord is pulled out of the socket.
If your not sure how to use a multimeter, look it up on the internet, they look more difficult to use than they really are.
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Post# 42731-7/27/2004-13:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Twin-Tub Trouble
MESSAGE: Yesterday I hooked up my Maytag TT for a test-run with its new diverter valve. After I filled the washtub (control set on "Spin Drain", not "Wash Drain"), threw in some towels & Tide, and started washing, I noticed the water level getting lower. I opened up the spin tub and water was leaking from the washtub into the spin tub. Some water was also leaking out on the floor. I took the towels out and put them in the GE Portable for the rinse while I looked at it. Must be another diverter valve problem (sure does have "teething troubles")...well I took the front cover off and no leaks were coming from the new diverter valve, but appeared to originate from the pump. This, however, doesn't explain the "equilibrium" I had with the wash/spin tubs.
I'm at my wit's end and this machine is 2 seconds away from sitting on the street. Does anyone have an idea on what could be causing all of this? I want to try to fix it instead of "trophy-ize" it first, but if I can't use it it's going to the recycler...
--Austin
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Post# 42732-7/27/2004-13:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub Trouble
MESSAGE: I set it out on the curb and hopefully it should be gone in about an hour (not to the Krusher but to someone who wants it); now I can pay more attention to the full-size Monitor & the Bendix, and in about a week I'll probably buy the BD Whirlpool Portable from A-1. I did save the new diverter valve assembly & wash/spin tub shifter, nameplate, spin brake, & knobs if I find another one with the same problems but in much better cosmetic shape.
I cleaned the Bendix's water valve yesterday but I'm not sure if it can be used, once the back cover comes off I'll find out. I'm hoping I can find an NOS Bendix water valve on eBay since Bendix parts/manuals are popping up.
--Austin
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Post# 42733-7/27/2004-16:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: After buying a new 3-prong cord, how do you ground it to a machine that was originally meant for a 2-prong? The original Belden cord/plug on the Bendix are nice, but aren't safe by any means.
--Austin
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Post# 42734-7/27/2004-19:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Greg, these a totally neutral drain machines. That slight agitation attempt while draining or just "sitting there" after the water is gone is common. Ours did that when it had a very small load in it (which was rare since mom insisted on mostly full loads). I have no idea why tho. And the monkey warsd across the street didn the same thing. It's just that during the drain the lock/brake on the tub disengages, but if I remember correctly, if you turn the tub hard to the left, it will "hit a wall" so to speak and push the tub back to the right (spin direction). As for that first spin after the wash drain, that is a like 20 or 30 second spin. With a FULL load of towels, it could barely reach the max rpm spin speed before the spin disengaged and it started coasting. At that time it was a 1 minit increment of a spray rinse that endured long after the tub had stopped spinning (thus the slight agitation sometimes0. This was a combination suds flush & w'n'w/durable press "cool down". And when you were dealing with that last scenario with a slow spin speed, it was short-lived coast and pretty pathetic. And YES, you made perfect sense.
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Post# 42735-7/27/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Your link worked OK this time-liked the idea.Would be especially good for my house-the codes in NC are a little strange regarding venting of dryers.In two homes I lived in in NC-they vented the dryer into the crawl space under the house.I don't think its a good idea to have that mopisture under there. With the condenser dryer this wouldn't be a problem.In the summer the warmed air could be vented under the house.Since the moisture was condensed out-that is no longer a worry. In the winter,the warmed air would be welcome.Since the dryer shown in your picture has a condesned water resivior-I would think that would have to be emptied regularly.And of course you wopuld have to empty the lint filter like any other dryer.The more I see these-would like to have one.And-could eliminate another pathway for mice to get into my house!
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Post# 42736-7/27/2004-20:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (internal ground wiring)
MESSAGE: Theoretically, one would just attach the green wire in the new power cord to the cabinet/frame of the machine, BUT, if you look inside a modern washer/dishwasher, you'll notice many little green ground wire "jumpers" are used to make sure all components in the machine are grounded to the cabinet/frame. Simply take note how they do it and duplicate it on an older machine to make it safer than original, even when it was grounded separately as they did back in those days.
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Post# 42737-7/27/2004-20:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Anti-rodent/reptile/bird dryer vent hoods are available to solve those problems
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Post# 42738-7/27/2004-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Usually the green or gound lead of the cord is connected to the metal frame of the appliance.Since this machine was made before 3 wire cords-how is the motor grounded-or is it grounded at all.Your machine was built long before todays safety codes.The idea of the 3 pin gounded cord was if there was a fault in the motor-say the insulation in the windings breaks down and power going thru them now shorts to the motor case.That would cause you to get a shock-the motor case would be "live" from the fault.With the grounded cord-the fault current would trip the line breaker or blow the fuse feeding the machine.I would test parts such as motors and water valve soleniods before using the 3 pin cord.You can test them with an ohmmeter.If everything is OK and you ground the machine with the 3 wire cord it should still run as before.It would only mean if there is a short in one of the electrical parts of the machine it would blow the circuit breaker or fuse instead of shocking you.
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Post# 42739-7/27/2004-20:14 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: Austin, when you mentioned that 1980 was the last model for the Dial-A-Matic, I remembered that the Concept One replaced it. Most models had a hand vac built into their front housing, although I don't think Concept One was a clean-air upright. A soft bag housing made up the back of it.
Pete
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Post# 42740-7/27/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: In my house the vent is thru the floor and not thru the wall.In a house I lived in in VA-it had a vent thru the wall that had the anti bird and mouse flap inside it.
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Post# 42741-7/27/2004-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (internal ground wiring)
MESSAGE: In some of the older machines-it seemed like the components weren't even grounded at all to the case of the machine.I would think the concept of grounding would be non-existent in the days when they built that Bendix machine.The idea of adding grounds to each electrical component in the machine is a good one.It would then make it meet modern safety codes.Just hope that age hasn't broken down the insulation of the electrical parts.
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Post# 42742-7/27/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: I beleive I have a Hoover Concept One-It doesn't have the hand vacuum.I remember seeing those in stores.I bought mine from one of the vac stores here.It has a plastic housing-the cloth bag in the back.It's a direct air design.Uses Type "A" bags.The vac also has a Power -Drive transmission.The handle activates it.It also has a two speed motor.Its transmission works sort of like the Tech Drive on Kirby "G" sereies vacuums.I would imagine mine is a later model.
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Post# 42743-7/27/2004-21:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge question ??? (thanks Bob)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob, that explains alot and makes sense, although there was no spray going on during that portion, but I have "fill valve" issues on that machine as well, so I will pull the valve and take apart and clean everything first, test the solenoids and if all is OK, then I will know the timer has issues .............
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Post# 42744-7/27/2004-21:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
final trial of 3rd found Norge
MESSAGE: Tonight I tried out the third Norge "16" by "BW" that I picked up last FRI, well this one did fill OK, and at min fill agitation did kick in, sounded OK, not great, but tub indexed, tub NOT braking at all, and within half a minute, it smelled VERY hot and was smoking, I did manage to get it to drain for almost a full minute and then the motor went into a hum ..... even the cord got very warm ........ that was a bit scary, I thought I might have a fire on my hand for a second. Ironically no leaks. But something is obviously binding big time ............ Well one machine works great, the second fair, and the third not at all. Not bad stats for three vintage finds, hehehe, I know the coin up SQ will need to be torn down somewhat with all that nasty, thick grease spilled out of it ............
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Post# 42745-7/27/2004-21:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
SQ's "open tranny?"
MESSAGE: Do Speed Queen's have an "open tranny" where the grease can actually spill out of it if tipped ?? obviously it sure did on the coin up I found whereas it was stored on its side for god only knows how many years .......... I assume it is bad to store a machine, especially a washer on its side, correct? (probably a dumb question) ..........
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Post# 42746-7/27/2004-21:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
thanks Robert
MESSAGE: thanks robert for the tip regarding the timer, I will try that, I do need to learn how to use an ohmeter < (spelling?), but I did call Tom at T&E and he said to send it back in, he said if they cannot fix it they will refund me totally and not to worry about it, he is going to search for another timer anyways ...........
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Post# 42747-7/27/2004-22:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: Yes, and it took Type A bags vs. the Dial-A-Matic's type D. I haven't seen one with the built-in handvac yet though.
The DAM was Hoover's only clean-air
full-sized upright until the WindTunnel series was introduced in 1996-1997, but that's another story...
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Post# 42748-7/27/2004-22:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: There's a wire running from the motor to the cabinet, and it looks like I should remove it before putting a 3-prong cord on the machine.
Also, what setting should I use on the ohmmeter, and what should I look for when testing the solenoids?
--Austin
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Post# 42749-7/27/2004-22:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I went ahead and took the "shells" & logos (these are removed quite easily and none are riveted on; I wonder if Bendix knew that people would be rebuilding these...) off because some parts are going to Glenn's (name of powdercoaters) for refinishing tomorrow. However, the drain trap is in dire need of a painting, not to mention new hoses for the machine. I will measure these tomorrow; having the case off will give me a chance to clean up the inside (more cosmetic wiping than anything; inside is quite clean), oil the sticky drain valve (not the solenoid but the valve the solenoid actuates) & get to the mechanicals.
How do I take the trap off if there is only 1/4" of clearance without losing the bolts inside the inner tub (which will be even more of a mess to fix...), and how do I remove the strange hoseclamp on the drain portion of it?
--Austin
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Post# 42750-7/27/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, its easy to replace a two prong cord with a three prong. The new cord should have a white wire, a black wire and a green wire. Attach the black and white wires to the same wires that the original plug was attached to. Then simply find a good spot on the cabinet, to screw the green wire down so it has a good connection (touching) to the metal. You might want to take a little sand paper and to make sure the part of the cabinet that you attach the green wire to is free of rust, heavy paint or dirt. Also if any part of the cabinet is isolated from the green ground, such as if the top sits on a rubber gasket, attach a second wire to your green wire connection and run it to the isolated part.
If you have an ohmmeter, attach one lead of the ohmmeter to the third prong of the new grounding cord and touch metal parts of the cabinet to make sure you have zero (or nearly zero) resistance.
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Post# 42751-7/27/2004-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Use the zero ohms setting on the ohmmeter, the best way to test solenoid is to simply try them out with the washer running and hoses attached. Please first things first is to change the cord properly. Austin, since this is your first time doings this and its rather important, please take some pictures of the new cord installed so we can make sure its properly grounded and others can learn too.
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Post# 42752-7/27/2004-22:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I would leave that wire from the motor to the cabinet, if the motor is grounded and its isolated with rubber grommets, the 3 prong cord might not pick up the electrical leakage.
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Post# 42753-7/27/2004-22:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Unfortunately you will have to remove the tub in order to get at those bolts, what does this strange clamp look like?
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Post# 42754-7/27/2004-22:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: But even if your vent goes through the floor, how does it ultimately get outside? Isn't there still a vent hood of some type where it exhausts to the outdoors? Hopefully it's not just venting under the house somewhere.
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Post# 42755-7/27/2004-23:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: If there's already a wire going from the motor to the cabinet, do NOT remove it, it's a GOOD thing. Means they were thinking of grounding even though there was no 3 prong cords as standar equipment in those days. People were instructed to ground the machines by a separate wire attached to the frame/cabinet and connected to the cold water pipe.
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Post# 42756-7/27/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: No-leave the motor ground lead in place.If you remove it-then the motor would no longer be grounded to the machines's case.This would be especially the case if the motor has rubber sound-vibration isolation mounts.To test the soleniods for grounded windings-connect one of the ohmmeter leads to one of the input leads and the other ohmmeter test lead to the metal case of the soleniod.If you get a reading on the meter-the winding is shorted to the soleniod case.-Not good.This is a rare occurence.As Unimatic pointed out-are there any peices of the machines case isolated from each other-then you will need to connect them electrically with a peice of wire.And as he says-sand away paint,rust,etc at the point you connect grounds to the metal cabinet.
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Post# 42757-7/27/2004-23:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: It vents out thru the crawl space vents.Its a strange system-never seen it anywhere else.May have to rent that hammer drill again!
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Post# 42758-7/28/2004-00:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I'll get a picture of the clamp tomorrow; I'm a little behind on my uploading anyway so I'll also post some pics of the machine with the 4-piece side cabinet off. I'm going to give it a thorough cleaning/rust removing tomorrow so it should be much better.
Other problems I'm running into:
1. Wiring: This is the large problem; the cloth wiring could use replacement (old wiring works but buying new wiring will be hard enough finding the appropriate colors), however, the connectors are different from today's slide-on flat connectors, so finding these to match the solenoids, motor, & timer will be difficult. I'm hoping the wiring will be adequate for now.
2. Water valve: Aside from the electrical connector-conflict issue, a new water valve needs to support the connector to the fill nozzle & float assembly which controls the water level. Also, there are only
3 wires going from the timer to the water valve, whereas a modern one has 4. How should I cope with this?
The problems sound much more difficult than they really are, but this is definitely giving me a wake-up call to do the restoration step-by-step instead of fixing everything at once. Painting the cabinet is a first priority, and the last job should be touching up the scratches on the door.
--Austin
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Post# 42759-7/28/2004-00:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I will definitely post pictures of the new cord. I ran the machine with the cabinet off and all of the solenoids work (the way they pop in & out is very entertaining; if I'm correct these are different than the "snap" solenoids in Frigidaire/SQ machines because they're quieter), but I will grab some Bendix solenoids on eBay just in case.
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Post# 42760-7/28/2004-00:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I've seen that system before, people will simply cut a hole in the crawl space vent screen and stick the hose through it without a vent hood, or, worse, bring the hose right up to the screen and NOT cut a hole, in which case lint soon clogs the crawl space vent. Sounds like you could simply put a vent hood on the hose where it comes through the crawl space vent.
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Post# 42761-7/28/2004-01:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I've always liked soleniods too-"sucking coils" as some techs call them.Unfortunately with digital program supply sources in radio stations-the machines that use soleniods there are disappearing. Reel tape machines with their pinch roller soleniods,reel motor brake soleniods,and sometimes capstan motor to drive wheel engage soleniods.It was fun adjusting and getting these to work in cocert to make the machine playback or record the program material.Cart machines-(these record or play tape cartridges that look like those old 8 track tapes)were used in radio stations to allow the DJ to play commercials,promos and sometimes the music was recorded on them.If their picnh roller soleniods weren't adjusted right the machine could jam on the tape-I saw one cart player literally "leap" across the workbench because of an improperly adjusted pinch roller soleniod.It would be interesting to see the soleniod devices in your Bendix-Can you make a video of it to show on the computer?
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Post# 42762-7/28/2004-01:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: This one the vent is cut into the floor behind the dryer. A short peice of hose from the dryer exhaust connects to the floor hole "vent" The air from the dryer then just goes under the house.The crawl space vents would then allow the exhaust to go outside.I am lucky I haven't had snakes get up thru there.The NC area has lots of snakes.
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Post# 42763-7/28/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update (Bendix restoration)
MESSAGE: pre-1955 cars used the cloth wiring with colored tracers in the insulation. This wiring has been reproduced for the old car hobby and is not hard to obtain. Check around onthe Internet or in magazines like Cars & Parts and HEmmings Motor News. They might also have the right connectors, too, and you might try electronics stores.
Is the wiring diagram still there?
The water valve actually only needs 3 wires, 1 "hot" lead for hot water solenoid and 1 "hot" lead for the cold water solenoid. Both solenoids then return current through the white "neutral" side of the line. Even on a modern washer, if you followed 2 of the 4 wires, you'd find that they would end up connected together at some point to the neutral side of the line, and they are always white. Ground wires are always Green. (the white=neutral and green=ground rule also applies to house wiring, too).
Another disadvantage of the old 2 prong stuff is that the plugs weren't even polarized so depending on how the plug is inserted into the outlet, the "neutral" side of the circuit could actually be "hot". This makes no difference in the operation of the machine, but if there is a fault in the insulation of one of the white wires and it touched a metal part, the machine could be "live" when plugged in, even though it was turned off, since the on-off switch is on the "hot" side of the circuit. Polarized plugs and 3 prong plugs make sure the hot side of the circuit is always on the switched side of the line because the plugs can only be inserted one way in the outlet. All table lamps nowadays are required to have polarized plugs so that the center switched contact in the socket is always the "hot" side. I remember getting shocked changing light bulbs as a child even when the lamp was switched off because the non-polarized plugs of the day would allow the threaded part of the socket to be "live" therefore giving a shock if one was touching the metal base of the blub while screwing it in.
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Post# 42764-7/28/2004-01:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update (Bendix restoration)
MESSAGE: I have a book about the restoration process on a musical instrument called the "mills Violono Vituroso"It had a power supply in the unit to convert 110-120V AC to 120V DC to operate the instrument.The supply was a motor-generator type device(this machine was built long before solid state and vacuum tube rectifiers were used)The machine was in a wood cabinet-but had many exposed metal parts.Anyway-one restorer put a grounded plug on his unit-he mentioned it was possible that you could get a bad shock from the device because of line polarization.He also built a solid state power supply for the unit.Was the only automatic musical instrument that did'nt use a pneumatic system.The music roll in it was read electrically.And the instrument(a violin) was played by motors and soleniods. A fascinating machine.
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Post# 42765-7/28/2004-08:26 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Austin, thank you so much for sharing your restoration process. I am new to the game and am following what you are doing step by step. I am really glad to learn something about grounding and the operation of the solonoids. I am curious to know if the powder coating and painting are priced at an a reasonable level? Many thanks also to those who are weighing in with their advice. I am really grateful you will include pictures! -Steve
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Post# 42766-7/28/2004-10:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: In VA - with a free Hotpoint wringer...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3690738544&rd=1
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Post# 42767-7/28/2004-11:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: If I'm not mistaken that's Kenmore's first suspended-tub design, approx. 1952?? BD Kenmores are so fun; if only it wasn't so darn far!
--Austin
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Post# 42768-7/28/2004-11:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I'm also powdercoating the Monitor parts (from the full-sized machine I bought recently), so I'm guessing it will be $150--$250 for all panels, etc.
--Austin
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Post# 42769-7/28/2004-11:30 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Hi,
That's really not a good idea, nothing should ever exhaust into a crawl space. The crawl space vents are not adequate to vent the dryer. The moisture is bad for the structure and potentially dangerous if for example,this was a gas appliance. In any event, you should extend the vent outside with a dryer vent cap to cover it as soon as possible.
Rich
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Post# 42770-7/28/2004-11:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I overestimated the price; about $75 for all parts.
--Austin
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Post# 42771-7/28/2004-11:51 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT:
Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Hi, I love this website! The old appliances are great. My wife and I are building a new house and will need a stacked washer/dryer. We are looking at the Frigidaire(KENMORE labeled) pair since both the washer and dryer have stainless steel tubs/drums. We would value anyone's opinion or experience with this washer. I understand some people have had main seal problems that "ruined both the bearings and the rear outer tub. Thanks.
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Post# 42772-7/28/2004-11:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Try the Sandbox (linked here).
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox
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Post# 42773-7/28/2004-12:00 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Thanks westytoploader
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Post# 42774-7/28/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Yes, you need to empty the reservoir regurarly, preferably after every load, especially with towels. Later I connected a drain hose to the dryer and there is no need any more to empty the drawer. The water from the dryer is very good for using in steam irons.
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Post# 42775-7/28/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: But wouldn't lint get in the reservoir or is there a separate lint filter?
--Austin
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Post# 42776-7/28/2004-16:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: The lint is filtered like in vented dryers. I have never seen any lint in the water, but it's possible there are some small bits in there. It's advised to filter the water through a coffee filter before using it in a clothes iron.
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Post# 42777-7/28/2004-18:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Someone needs to pass your info to the person that writes the NC building codes.I lived in another home here where the dryer was vented into the crawl space.It is not a gas dryer.They are not real common in my neighborhood.In passing by the homes in my neighborhood,don't see any dryer vent hoods sticking out of the walls of the houises here.Strange.Maybe I will have to rent that hammer drill and core cutter!Maybe better to vent it thru the wall.
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Post# 42778-7/28/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Thats very reasonable price to have those done.
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Post# 42779-7/28/2004-18:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: Know where that is-its a small town thats out by Dulles International Airport.Its in the Northern VA area-Wash DC area.Too bad I don't have a vehicle big enough to carry those in.Who knows what the final price would be.I went to a govt training course out there.
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Post# 42780-7/28/2004-19:44 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT:
Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: This may be somewhat relevent to the discussions of late.
I converted my middle of the line Hotpoint Dryer to an inside venting machine - despite the outside vent connection. The basement of my home was unheated - and it seemed a waste of energy to pump the drier exhaust to the outside.
I took an empty 5 gallon detergent bucket with snap on lid, cut a hole in the lid of sufficient size to accomodate the drier exhaust tubing.. around the upper third of the bucket - cut three or four more holes,of the same size as in the lid and ran a band of plastic window screening around them - secured with duct tape.
A short length of aluminum " dryer duct" - perhaps 12 inches long was secured through the lid opening with a bead of silicone caulking.
Dryer exhaust connected to the duct entering the top of the bucket.... which contained about 2 1/2 gallons of water.
It worked like a charm! the basement got some nescessary heat and moisture, anything that excaped the lint filter in the dryer was directed downard to the surface of the water in the bucket - thereby trapping it conclusivly. There was never any evidence of condensate on the windows nor was any visible steam excaping from the vent holes around the top of the bucket. I didn't know how much lint to expect to be trapped in the water, but it all sank to the bottom anyway - in a year - perhaps 1/16 of an inch was at the bottom of the bucket. All in all - it was a win-win situation for me in that I got a bit of added warmth to the basement - and no lint mess whatsoever. Total cost of this expirment was well below $10.00. When the weather got warm enough that we didn't need any heat - just switched the flex duct back to the outside exhaust.. I'm not sure this was the absolute best way to do it - but it worked well for me - and made the laundry room / basement a lot more comfortable. - Oh - and it smelled really nice also.
admittedly a limited application - but worked well for me.
Neptune2000
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Post# 42781-7/28/2004-20:39 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I also checked Google and typed in dryer vents. You may want to check it for more info on this subject. There was some info that most codes require direct venting of all dryers to the outside, as well as the reasons why. Good luck!
Rich
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Post# 42782-7/28/2004-20:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: I have owned one of the "Fridgimore" front-loaders since 1998. I have moved four times since I have had it and in the very first move it was dropped (free-fall) down a very long and almost vertical flight of stairs! It sustained a dent on the dash and kept right on going. I have never had a bit of trouble with it other than the annoying saftey switch on the door. It is set up to buzz if someone tries to open it during a cycle. But over time my door has loosened (I'm sure the fall did not help!) and it has this kind of background bzzzzzzz constantly. An annoyance! The only other problem with it (and it most likely applies to any front-loader) is that when I have a load of really dirty clothes (say from working in the yard), if I add extra detergent it will oversuds. I found one brand called "Fresh Start" a powder in a liquid looking container. I can use as much as I want without oversuds, but it does not clean as well as Tide. I have tried all the "HE's" and I find absolutely no difference other than a higher price. So if you don't generate really dirty clothes you won't have a problem. It also takes a little time to get used to a front-loader but you eventually get used to it and tweak it to do what you want. My opinion for what it is worth. Best wishes, -Steve
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Post# 42783-7/29/2004-01:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: So you start with 2 1/2 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket. How much water is in the bucket after the dryer has finished.
This system can only used with electric dryers ofcourse.
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Post# 42784-7/29/2004-01:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (crawlspace dryer venting)
MESSAGE: It's not good to exhaust the moisture and lint from a dryer into a house crawl space, you need to extend the vent using rigid ducting to the outside of the house. If the crawlspace vent is big enough, you could cut through the screen to insert a vent hood through it to connect with the ducting, make sure the screening of the cralwspace vent is tight against the pipe so creatures can't get in. This would save you from having to cut a hole in the wall.
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Post# 42785-7/29/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (dryer vent heat recovery ideas)
MESSAGE: Some interesting things.
LINK: http://e-store.atlantasupply.com/swscripts/NLNETUPD.OBJ?REQR_TYPE=O&REQR_ID=NEW+CUSTOMER&AUTH_ID=+&LOC_NO=001&NL_ORDER_NO=0&PROD_CAT_NM=Accessories+Deflectors/Dryer%20Vents&PC=A&SC=DD&REQUEST_ID=CCATSEL_AS2
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Post# 42786-7/29/2004-01:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: Do you change the water in your device after each laundry session with the dryer?Come toi think of it -at my dads house they have a device that they purchased from a store that works like your homemade water trap device. They empty the water from their device after each laundy session.That could be up to 2 or 3 dryer loads.Their dryer is located in a basement-under gound level.
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Post# 42787-7/29/2004-01:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (dryer vent heat recovery ideas)
MESSAGE: The dryer exhaust duct booster blower devices are interesting-I wonder if they would get clogged with lint after awhile.Would think you would have to clean the booster fan section out.The one with the pressure switch on it is especially interesting.Would start its blower as the sail switch senses airflow from the dryer.They show regular vents on that site-like what me and my friend put in his house.The dryer there was then straight vented thru the wall.Before there was a long duct that vented it.
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Post# 42788-7/29/2004-01:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I tried it as well-much info -too much to digest at this time-will try some more tomorrow.Thnx.
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Post# 42789-7/29/2004-02:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: This looks like a pretty good product, especially agasit smaller things like insects
LINK: http://www.kitchenandhomeconcept.com/oudrve.html
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Post# 42790-7/29/2004-02:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
dryer vent booster
MESSAGE: Best one I've seen, so far
LINK: http://www.dryerbox.com/fantech.htm
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Post# 42791-7/29/2004-06:17 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I have the same exact vent cap, works great and prevents cold air (or anything else) from coming back in.
Rich
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Post# 42792-7/29/2004-06:28 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic (Pickup is not in Sterling Va)
MESSAGE: Check the fine print....."Please note the pickup location for this sale is Altoona, Pa phone 814-942-9338. Thanks"
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Post# 42793-7/29/2004-10:56 ||| jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: I got the new Philco-Bendix washer on eBay! I am going to drive to Pittsburg to pick it up on August 7. It will fit in with my collection of front loaders nicely. I will post some photos as soon as I can. Jeff
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Post# 42794-7/29/2004-12:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jeff, I was hoping that was you who won that! Congrats, I bet it still has it's new washer smell! I'm sure you guys have some coin slides to use in the machine, but if you don't I have a couple that might work.
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Post# 42795-7/29/2004-15:15 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on a great looking machine. I remember these in a laundromat in the 60's. What year was this machine made??
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 42796-7/29/2004-15:21 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Jeff, I was tempted to bid on this beauty myself. I would sure love to have a Bendix or Westinghouse slant front.
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Post# 42797-7/29/2004-16:28 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Well Done!
Am very pleased that a member of the group took it as such machines, MIB at that are rare beauties that deserve a home who will appreciate them.
Would have bid on it myself, but a huge,heavy coin operated,bolt down front loader is just not something I have room for right now. *LOL*
Did watch the bidding though, things were quite until towards the end (no surprise on eBay), but then it was time to separate the men from the boys.
Best of luck and please post tons of snaps and such when you have your new baby home.
Launderess
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Post# 42798-7/29/2004-16:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Here's your chance to out-do Jeff and his beautiful commercial Bendix win! A Unimac for Uni! And right in your own backyard! Ha!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45036&item=3830167333&rd=1
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Post# 42799-7/29/2004-18:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Woohoo!! Congrats Jeff - this will look great next to the Norge and the Westy bolt-down...
Imagine all the "new roads" you'll have on the way to Pitts, it sounds like a fun trip!
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Post# 42800-7/29/2004-18:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Double the washing, double the time savings...all in one, sleek, compact unit!
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Post# 42801-7/29/2004-18:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: It spins almost as fast as Jeff Lefever's extractor.
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Post# 42802-7/29/2004-18:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: I noticed the extractor has a similar design to the Bock, which I assume Jeff has. How fast does his spin?
--Austin
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Post# 42803-7/29/2004-18:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I always thought that would be neat...putting in a slab in the backyard with a 100--300 lb. capacity washer-extractor on it (in a small building of course). There was a 70's Milnor open-pocket (what does this mean) machine for $500 on eBay not too long ago.
--Austin
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Post# 42804-7/29/2004-18:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And here's a vintage Wascomat! Notice how the door style is different from the newer machines, and the coin box is located at the top instead of the right. The door design is a dead giveaway that it's old!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=55852&item=3829804724&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 42805-7/29/2004-18:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And a 1982 Milnor Mark II bolt-down! I haven't seen a small-capacity Wascomat or Unimac run, but the 35 lb. Milnors are very entertaining and fill 1/4 up the window! Needless to say very sloshy, sudsy, entertaining action, like you'd expect from a Laundromat or 1970's Westy SpaceMates set.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47103&item=5510954065&rd=1
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Post# 42806-7/29/2004-18:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff,
I hope you are doing well - I think I saw the washer you are speaking of on ebay. Best of luck and enjoy it.
Peter
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Post# 42807-7/29/2004-19:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Here are some shots of a laundry at the Alamo Riverwalk Plaza Hotel I stayed at last month (yes, I'm behind on my photos). They had a retro (60's) Cissell dryer and two 50 lb. Wascomat Commercial FL's. Unlike many I've seen, these were soft-mount and were either deathly overloaded or they use little water. See for yourselves!
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@Turquoise%20Cissell%20Dryer@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 42808-7/29/2004-19:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Instead of being cleaned-looks like the clothes or linens are just being rotated in a tiny amount of water.It even looks like the items were STUFFED into the machines.Wonder about the true cleanleness of the things laundered in that facility.
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Post# 42809-7/29/2004-19:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: When I worked at a radio station years ago-another engineer there did his laundry in the transmitter site sink!Then he hung the clothes over the exhaust vents of the AM and FM transmitters to dry them-If he had that washer-the station had 3 phase power for him to run it.Just for him.He was lucky that water from his clothes didn't drip into the tx.
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Post# 42810-7/29/2004-19:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Wow!-less than $10 bid so far.You would need the 3 ph supply or a roto-verter to run it at home.Years ago my dad did insurance investigations-an accident involving an older Wascomat washer.It went like this-the washerwoman was using it in a commercial laundry.She opened the door of the machine while it's drum was still turning to take out some clothes.The machine stopped as it was supposed to.However when she reached in for the clothes-her other hand was leaning on the front of the machine-it started and took off her arm.The pressure of her other hand on the front panel was enough to cause the door interlock switch to close and restart the machines drum.The accident was ruled in her favor-the machine had a faulty design.Hope the machine pictured doiesn't have that design!Don't know of mod kits were provided to correct the problem.
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Post# 42811-7/29/2004-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Now that's MY childhood memory.
My mom used to work at a dry cleaners/laundromat and they had 2 early 70s Milnor front loaders.
It was her Kenmore 800 and those Milnors that got me hooked on washers. Just think, a 6 year old in a laundromat... like a kid in a candy store.
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Post# 42812-7/29/2004-19:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Wow-Do the laundry for the whole neighborhood-Your own laundry business!.You would need to talk to your power company to run a 3 ph line to run that washer-probably 480V 3phase for one that big.Would imagine a machine that large would have a 25Hp motor.Was it a manuallly loaded-unload machine or could it tilt and dump the load?
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Post# 42813-7/29/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Sawe a machine something like what was pictured in your link-it was a Speed Queen-Was at a laundry-dry cleaner in Veinna Virginia.My friends wife had some of their clothes cleaned there.It had two wash tubs and a spin tub.
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Post# 42814-7/29/2004-19:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: dryer vent booster
MESSAGE: From looking at your link-looks like that is the best dryer duct booster blower.Even resistent to clogging from lint due to its fan design.Cinemas might even like it for boosting the vent air from projector lamphouses.
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Post# 42815-7/29/2004-20:12 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown "
filtrator "
)
MESSAGE: Hello, and greetings from SC. USA.
In response to your quetion regarding how much water was in the bucket after a drying session - the most honest answer is: I have no idea..... this was before I realized there were any other folks interested in washer's and such.
I doubt that I put as much as 2 1/2 gallons of water in the bucket - probably more like a gallon or so - the tube that extended into the bucket was perhaps 2 inches from the water. Honestly - it never occurred to me to look and see if the water level rose significantly. There never seemed to be a condensation problem on the windows of the laundry room, and I never saw any signs of mold or mildew in the bucket - or anywhere else.
I should say - this was just a wild assed idea I cobbeled together one afternoon - I had no idea if it would work or not - subsequently - it was in use for perhaps 5 years and kept the basement comfortable but never humid feeling. When warm weather arrived - I would simply re-connect to the outside venting . As I said - it worked really well - and there was never any lint on any of the 4 screened holes at the top of the bucket. I'm sure there are design flaws - but it never appeared to be hazardous in any way, and - kept the basement fairly comfortable on laundry days. I could sit and iron flatwork or other items on the mangle in complete comfort.
I might add, my only motivation for doing this somewhat strange configuration - was simply an attitude of " I paid for these calories to dry the cloths - let's see if we can get a little more mileage out of that expenditure.
Don't know what else to say - but feel free to write with questions.
Neptune2000 AKA LarryM510@aol.
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Post# 42816-7/29/2004-20:28 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Those machines look grossly overloaded...
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Post# 42817-7/29/2004-21:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Jeff, outstanding!!! Can't wait to see the new pics. And also take some pics of the "old" stuff, wanna refresh my memory and walk down "convention memory lane".
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Post# 42818-7/29/2004-21:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Oh My!!! That would go well well beyond a "Bob load" as geodon2000 calls my huge washer loads.
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Post# 42819-7/29/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I see these at Mister Car Washes all the time, and they're always running!
--Austin
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Post# 42820-7/29/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I see these at Mister Car Washes all the time, and they're always running!
--Austin
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Post# 42821-7/29/2004-22:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jeff!! That Bendix is going to look great along with the rest of your neat collection. Be sure to post some pictures when you get it home. Terry
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Post# 42822-7/29/2004-22:37 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: So glad I'm not sleeping on those sheets!
But sadly that is how many people both in commercial laundries and launderettes load front loaders. Pass any launderette and you'll usually see machines stuffed to the gills, to the point a customer is forcing the load in and trying to quickly shut the door before it pops out again.
In both situations have a hunch it is about saving money rather than truly caring about how "clean" items come out.
Launderess
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Post# 42823-7/29/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Oh Dear, so close and so BIG, how will I ever let this one go! Since it's not going to fit in the basement, maybe I can convince Neal that it should go in the living room.
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Post# 42824-7/29/2004-23:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: hahaha...I know how you feel...after consulting with a plumber this week, I've discovered the easiest place to install more hookups is on the dining room wall where we currently have a 100 gallon salt water tank. I'm wondering if Gary will notice.
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Post# 42825-7/29/2004-23:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: It would blend in with any style, and it needs NO BOLTING DOWN!!! You could even put it upstairs! ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 42826-7/29/2004-23:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: That would be the ultimate twin tub-or is it triple tub machine.What is the spin speed of its spin basket?
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Post# 42827-7/29/2004-23:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Thats the big problem-the users don't realize it would be cheaper in the long run for them to do that load as two loads or use an extra machine.FL washers are sort of like rock tumblers that lapidaires use-the items should tumble and slide across each other for best action wether it be cleanin g clothes or tumble polishing stones.At how stuffed the machines were in the picture-its a wonder any cleaning takes place-they are just burning up electricity and wasting water.Plus wonder if that is good for the machines.-Probably being asked to carry more of a load than they should handle.If they are forced to do loads like that the laundy company should upgrade to higher capacity machines.Would save them in the long run.People who run things like that these days cannot see the "long term"That what will get them.
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Post# 42828-7/29/2004-23:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I went ahead and cleaned up the outside (under the cabinet), and sanded some surface rust spots. I'm surprised at how it's cleaned up so far (but there's still much more work to do tomorrow!); it really isn't that bad (except for the frame which has some oil on it and will take a while to clean). I also went ahead and cleaned up the float assembly, its fill nozzle, & the washtub fill nozzle and removed all of the old hose. I will get pics ASAP. The cabinet & other parts will be back from Glenn's in about a week so hopefully I'll be done with the inner cleaning and can put it on. It will look so much better with the new cabinet! YAY! Unfortunately I can't replace the water valve, but I can, however, rebuild it. Can anyone tell me where I can buy a water valve rebuild kit? Please let me know!
--Austin
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Post# 42829-7/29/2004-23:57 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: "People were instructed to ground the machines by a separate wire attached to the frame/cabinet and connected to the cold water pipe" That's probably still a good idea. I think that I would attach a similar wire even AFTER I replace the cord. It's better to be safe then sorry, IMHO.
Just my $0.02.
Mike
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Post# 42830-7/29/2004-23:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Sounds like amazing progress-Does the float assembly determine the water level in the tub?Still looks like a lot of work still cut out for you.Should be a very nice machine when you are done.
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Post# 42831-7/30/2004-00:07 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: If it has the small diaphrams (about the size of a quarter)type it is no problem. Any well stocked appliance parts store should have them. If it has the larger ones (and I am not talking about the ones in late model machines) this may be a problem. I haven't seen these rebuild kits in over 20 years. The larger ones have diaphrams about the size of a half dollar or dollar coin. Good luck.
Greg
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Post# 42832-7/30/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: If you ground to a water pipe-you need to see if your home or building water plumbing is being fed from the water company with a plastic meter-many have switched to plastic case meters.They connect a copper jumper strap across it to maintain the grounding path.Codes require the jumper. It would be a good idea to make sure it is there.My home still has a metal meter.The extra ground cable isn't a bad idea-esp with a machine full of water.And motors and other electrical equipment under the tub.Another note water companies are switching over to PVC piping for water supply lines-they ran it to the place where I work. They ran copper ground straps with the pipe.
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Post# 42833-7/30/2004-00:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Yes, and what's fun about it is that you can increase the water level by sliding the lower clip down the float rod! The clips rise up and trip a switch that shuts off the fill valve--a rather primitive mechanism if you ask me.
--Austin
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Post# 42834-7/30/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I like that-you can adjust the water level!Sounds like a foolproof system.Sounds primative-but simple and foolprooof.We need more of that today.Now if you can make a water level adjust with it from the washer front panel..
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Post# 42835-7/30/2004-00:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I think everyone pretty much knows where I'm setting the water level... ;-)
Halfway up the window!
--Austin
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Post# 42836-7/30/2004-01:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Hi guys,
In australia, using waterpipes for earthing hasnt been the norm in 50 years or more, the problem being, that in a house without a safety switch (Earth Leakage) If you have a short to ground, and you grab an outside tap then you get electricuted.
There was a case a few years ago, where there was a faulty stove, and due to the earth being through the pipes, a little girl was killed when she grabbed the outside tap.
We've had 3 core wiring for 50 years or more, so having to ground individual appliances has never really occured.
Have a great weekend
Nathan
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Post# 42837-7/30/2004-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Sounds good-would think it would wash better that way instead of the current "Dampening" the clothes.-and it would be more interesting to watch!
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Post# 42838-7/30/2004-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: It would seem that system would be more dangerous-the girl being killed.The idea of the cold water pipe ground-is essentally an earth ground.This is because of all the piping that would go thru the ground.It was to provide a "fault" path for the power to go.When that happens it trips the overload device in the branch circuit feeding the defective appliance removing it from the line.That would alert the owner that there is a problem.It sounded like the defective stove-ther branch circuit overload device(fuse or circuit breaker) wasn't tripped because the fault current had no place to go-thru ground.Instead it went thru the child killing her.Sounds like their codes need upgrading.
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Post# 42839-7/30/2004-02:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jeff, a great addition to your collection of frontloaders.
Louis
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Post# 42840-7/30/2004-02:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown )
MESSAGE: Actually I'm surprised that the lint wasn't spread all over your basement. I have read many complaints about such systems that the whole house would be more dusty than when a dryer was vented.
Besides that I think this is only possible in houses that have a relative low humidity level. I heard from somebody that there was actually less water in the bucket afterwards, meaning that not only all the moisture from the laundry was blown inside the house but that also some of the cold water in the bucket evaporated. Knowing how much water can come from laundry (you know when you empty the drawer of a condenser dryer) I wouldn't be very comfortable with it. A load of towels would easily mean a gallon of water that is evaporated in your house in a short time.
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Post# 42841-7/30/2004-02:31 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Most houses have at least one copper rod that it driven into the ground, the earth is then connected to that.
I've had instances before Earth leakage, where an appliance I'd collected incorrectly had the plug wired with the neutral terminal on the appliance wired to ground. (if its not a moulded plug, I now check before I plug it in to be sure.)
The appliance works perfectly happily. No fuses tripped, nothing. My understanding is that the fuse will only melt if there is a direct short. (Or enough current to melt the fuse wire)
Thats where earth leakage protection comes in, it gets the stuff that is still going to ground, but which isnt a direct short.
In some places in country australia, there is only 1 wire for power supply, the return is done through the ground.
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Post# 42842-7/30/2004-02:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Higher water levels in frontloaders do not mean better cleaning. The most important part of the cleaning is the tumbling and part of that is the laundry falling on the inside of the drum, copying the old fashioned way of beating clothes on a rock. In most frontloaders the clothes will drop at the four o'clock part of the drum, so that part of the drum should not be covered by water (the old fashioned rock was not in the water but above the water level, the clothes were saturated before they were beaten on a rock, that's what happening in a frontloader over and over again). This is the reason modern frontloaders with lower water levels clean better than the older ones using higher ones. Ofcourse for the rinse you want more water. Or at least enough rinses and spins to get rid of all the suds.
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Post# 42843-7/30/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown indoor vent system)
MESSAGE: Actually, there are at least 2 products on the market that use your concept, albeit in a much smaller package. I've seen them on various laundry equipment sites and in those catalogs that sell little off-beat gadgets.
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Post# 42844-7/30/2004-02:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines... (overloaded FL machines)
MESSAGE: Fortunately, 2 good things about FL machines is that it doesn't really strain the machine much more to rotate the drum stuffed full of clothes as it does if it's empty or has a normal load in it, as opposed to an overloaded TL machine. And since there's no agitator, clothes won't get damaged in an overloaded FL machine as they possibly would in a TL machine. They just won't get clean.
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Post# 42845-7/30/2004-03:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: That is a good idea in the case of not knowing if an outlet is REALLY grounded. Peole have been known to install grounded outlets in older systems that had no grounding wire (old 2-wire Romex, ancient knob-&-tube wiring) or even in modern houses that use modern 3 wire Romex, but careless electrical contractors will fail to actually hook up the ground wire as it goes from box to box, or to actually attach the ground wire to the outlets, especially if plastic device boxes are used.
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Post# 42846-7/30/2004-03:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (grounding)
MESSAGE: Some places require that the electrical system be grounded to the water pipe AND to a ground stake driven into the ground near the meter
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Post# 42847-7/30/2004-03:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (water pipe grounding)
MESSAGE: At least here in Los Angeles, the electrical system is grounded to the water pipes and also sometimes to a grounding stake, it's also grounded to the neutral that goes back to the power distribution system. So the grounding isn't just accomplished at one's house. So even if there's a fault, grabbing a water pipe wouldn't shock one since it's still grounded to the power distribution system
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Post# 42848-7/30/2004-03:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (local grounding)
MESSAGE: In rural areas, often the neutral/ground is accomplished locally at the power pole serving a home, so they don't have to run a neutral wire all the way back to the power plant. I've heard of cases where this has caused stray currents that would shock livestock on farms or people taking baths.
LINK: http://www.emfguru.org/EMF/ground-currents.html
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Post# 42849-7/30/2004-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
rural grounding faults
MESSAGE: Boy, what a can of worms this subject opened! But sure makes for interesting reading.
LINK: http://www.championtrees.org/yarrow/RofD3.htm
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Post# 42850-7/30/2004-06:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: That machine is the bomb!
I loved using those machine when I had to wash clothes at the Laudromat. The timer was for each phase of the cycle was slow and defiantly entertaining, but I like using the one Hoyt washer they had because the wash timer was slightly longer than Washcomats by 6 mins.....
Oh this bring back great memories!!!
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Post# 42851-7/30/2004-08:33 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Louis, I totally agree with you. I have an LG 2032 that uses very little water, and the vanes that lift and tumble the clothes have roller balls in them to mimmick the scrubbing on a rock or wash board. The wash comes out very clean. I had an old Westinghouse LT800E that had more water, but still did not come up the window, and this machine cleaned very well also. I remeber in the laundromats from years ago, which had all Bendix front loaders, the water was half way up the window. These machiens did not clean as well on a real dirty load, in the clothes mainly floated and were not pounded or dropped like in the new front loaders.
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Post# 42852-7/30/2004-08:40 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: My Bock extractor's nameplate lists the speed at 1725 rpm, but in operation it's closer to 1780 rpm. I used to work on a lot of those Unimac washers and the extractor basket and motor looked just like the Bock's. Unimac also used Maytag wringer washer transmissions for the washer tubs. Jeff
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Post# 42853-7/30/2004-09:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: My undersanding is, the real reason that grounding ("earthing" it is called here) through water pipes is no longer legal here is that there are too many possibilities for it to be made unsafe inadvertently. The main worry is that plumbers may not legally disconnect the earth wire to carry out plumbing work. If the wire were to be disconnected for plumbing work to be carried out, the plumber might forget to reconnect it, and anyway would not have the equipment to test it after reconnection(a megger). The only legal way it could be done is for an electrician to disconnect the wire (and the electric supply, as once the earth is disconnected the house wiring isn't legal), then the plumber does his/her work, then the electrician has to come back to reconnect and test the earth wire. Three tradesman callouts for one job. Also, an electrician (who is not a licensed plumber so presumably isn't qualified to know hot water pipes from cold) might mistakenly connect the earth wire to a hot water pipe, which in many cases is connected to a header tank in the roof which is electrically insulated from the cold water supply. THAT situation has definately killed some people. So in AU earthing must be done through dedicated earthing rods, previously one galvanised pipe 8 feet into the ground, now generally two or more copper rods. We have 240 volt supply here so standards are correspondingly high. The neutral and earth are connected at the meter box.
Chris
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Post# 42854-7/30/2004-09:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: Very interesting because there was another Unimac (I think) car-wash extractor on eBay, this time with only 1 wash tub. It had a BD Surgilator-style agitator.
--Austin
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Post# 42855-7/30/2004-09:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Although someone said you could bring the water up to the window in a Westy FL (w/backsplash controls, not the Taller-Tumbler or SpaceMates models) by holding down the "Reset" switch on the water level knob. I'm not sure if you could do this with a slant-front Laundromat or not.
--Austin
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Post# 42856-7/30/2004-11:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Nothing wrong with that! The living room is a great place to showcase washers! And the dining room... And the guest room... And the kitchen...
-ph
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Post# 42857-7/30/2004-11:27 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I've seen Roberts living room and believe me there would be no "living" going on if that machine were there.
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Post# 42858-7/30/2004-15:22 ||| RAYJAY (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Austin, You are correct. I used to hold the reset on the rinse to add more water if I oversuds the load.
Ray
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Post# 42859-7/30/2004-16:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Richie, that is such a beautiful aquarium. I'll sure *miss* seeing it on my visits. Oh well, out with the old, in with the..um..vintage! :)
Come to think of it, a Unimac might fit nicely on that wall! It is stainless steel, so it would match your refrigerator. :) You could wash your dish towels and pool towels and stuff in it! :)
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Post# 42860-7/30/2004-17:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: So you're going to showcase the Skinni-Mini & Filtrator in the dining room? I've thought about moving my desk & having a plumber install a washer connection (i.e. for the Bendix, a Haier FL (you can somewhat regulate the water level on these), or a small W/D combo. It's right by the bathroom sink so the hot/cold & drain connections will be a breeze. The bad news is that my room's small as it is so I'll either have to get a smaller or taller desk!
A great way to have more "wash-ins" literally; inside the house!
--Austin
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Post# 42861-7/30/2004-18:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Austin, this link will take you to a thread containing a link to some pictures of a 16 year old poster from the UK at the laundry forum that actually did put a laundry in his bedroom. :)
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/gal0517061115409.html?2
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Post# 42862-7/30/2004-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I'm going to add more connections in the garage. The easiest and least expensive place would be on the dining room wall...but that can't happen. Installing a washer and dryer in the dining room, as normal as that sounds to you or I, would cause discord around the house.
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Post# 42863-7/30/2004-18:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I wonder if he'll realize it's not fishy.
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Post# 42864-7/30/2004-19:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Not around the house, "discord"ouroy is supposed to go in the washer. Hey in the dining room, how convenient for table linens to be dealt with so conveniently as well as any dinner guests which might end up dropping food on their clothes. And while you're at it, install another dishwasher right where the dishes are.
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Post# 42865-7/30/2004-19:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And his room is half the size of mine! My room is right up against the wall of my bathroom, and my desk is right across from the vanity, which makes plumbing easy (and the plumber's installation fee less :)), and after the connections are put in I could definitely fit an older Asko set or a new Haier set there. Still not enough room for my Westy SpaceMates dream set or "Taller Tumbler" washer though! But hey, I could do my own (or even everyone's) laundry in my room! YAY!
--Austin
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Post# 42866-7/30/2004-22:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: hahaha...."discord-ouroy"...I haven't heard a gold old Bob corn joke in so long...
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Post# 42867-7/30/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: YAY a Unimac in the kitchen!
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Post# 42868-7/30/2004-23:31 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT:
Norge wringer
MESSAGE: Hi guys, how's everyone ? my neighbor has a Norge Wringer for sale it looks in good shape, does anyone know anything about Norge wringers, like the years or anything, I will take a pic and post it, tomorrow. It will look good next to my Philco :) Happy washing Chris
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Post# 42869-7/30/2004-23:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge wringer
MESSAGE: My "dream wringer" is a Norge or Philco...congratulations because Norge wringers seem to be quite rare.
Be sure to post pics! YAY!
--Austin
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Post# 42870-7/30/2004-23:50 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge wringer
MESSAGE: Austin.
ThaNKS FOR THE REPLY i WILL DEF TAKE SOME PICS TOMORROW AND SEND THEM TO YOU. AND POST THEM ON HERE. I will have to take some pics of my philco and send them to you as well, It is a good story on how I found my Philco. They were tearing down this old house near me, they had a sale on the fixtures and what nots, In the basement was this thing all wrapped up in blankets, so I investigated and it was the Philco. the owner said I could have it for free, he was not sure if it even worked, but It in in almost mint condt. I brought it home and filled it up and it runs like a charm, very very quiet as well. I replaced the plug and drain hose, and she runs like a dream.
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Post# 42871-7/31/2004-01:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: Seems to me this would have been the perfect situation for a combo or stackable unit to take up less space.
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Post# 42872-7/31/2004-08:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
James dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: OK, so what does the "built-in water softener" feature they tout consist of?
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Post# 42873-7/31/2004-11:22 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Lot's of commercial laundry equipment here!
LINK: http://www.bestbuylaundry.com/
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Post# 42874-7/31/2004-12:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: I agree; I wouldn't put a set in either; just an Equator or Haier.
--Austin
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Post# 42875-7/31/2004-12:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Who says a GM Frigidaire can't be found in Texas?? I did, before I found in a warehouse of an appliance dealer, a mid-70's vintage GM Frigidaire Skinni-Mini stacked set, complete with Agitub in great shape! How I found it was an interesting story; yesterday my mom & I were driving back from the hairstylist's and I saw this old warehouse with some (what it looked like) Whirlpool stuff. However I was too busy looking and missed the turn (I was driving) into the driveway...darn! I was going to go back around but my mom & sister said they were tired (which I can understand since we were at the mall an hour ago) and wanted to go home. Fast-forward a day and my mom & I were driving back from Houston (she was driving this time) and she said she wouldn't mind checking it out. Well, it wasn't what I expected. No washers whatsoever, just some old dryers & dishwashers. Then my mom pointed out an old Harvest Gold Frigidaire stackable, and I wasn't surprised, since I opened one up in Midland and it was a WCI model. It had the water level knob which was a dead giveaway. However I didn't glance at the knobs this time but opened the lid. Lo and behold, there it was, the infamous Agitub!! The tub was
white with no dirt whatsoever on the sides or bottom! I opened the dryer and it was also in good shape; however the vanes & lint filter were a little yellowed from age. Was I surprised!! I also noticed the GM Frigidaire logo on the lid and two knobs instead of the WCI three. The timer/temp. dials turned easily and I noticed Frigidaire wasn't using the push-on pull-off timer anymore. We jumped in the car and I sped home. My mom called the store, and the guy told her his son used it in the camphouse, then he used it for washing some rags (at the store). Unlike other Texas machines this one was in surprisingly good condition, and the non-original hoses/dryer vent port were mint. It's obvious that this machine had little use. At first he wanted $300, then $200, and finally he came down to $100. The only downside is that it runs on 220V, but we'll run a 220V line to the "washer shed" and use it from there. While I would rather have a 1-18 or late 60's machine, this Skinni-Mini is a great find nonetheless!
Will post pictures soon!
--Austin
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Post# 42876-7/31/2004-14:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Wow Austin, can't believe it. Congratulations. Houston had a treasoure for you. I now kick myself. Years ago I went used washer/dryer shopping with a friend of mine. She ended u with a 1973 or 1974 Kenmore tol set in harvest gold. I saw a couple of rollermatic Custom Deluxes in there. I had my GE set and in an apartment at the time. :-( I didn't even go look to see if they were rapid dry machines, I'd have been too tempted. Ugh. Memories of a used appliance place in Spring Branch off Longpoint.
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Post# 42877-7/31/2004-15:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: I could have kicked myself on many occasions; a few years ago (2002) a lady down the street from me died and there was a massive estate sale. Among the items was a Coppertone mid 70's Kenmore MOL set. The washer had the boring Dual-Action agitator but saw very little use, and I think even had a white porcelain tub. The dryer was mint as well. Our "plastic GE" dryer went out a few weeks before and I joked "Hey let's get this dryer!" thinking nothing of it. I had a small interest in old washers at the time but I thought that my parents would
never let me collect them (2 years later I was proved wrong), so I stuck to vacuums instead. Now I really regret that I didn't buy that washer since I know now that a Coppertone set of
any brand is hard to come by, especially here in Texas of course! So needless to say when I saw the somewhat hard-to-find GE Portable at A-1 Appliances in Houston (N. Shepherd; near the Heights) I didn't hesitate! The guy's going to hook the Skinni-Mini up next week and try it out; if it works 100% I'm buying it from him!
--Austin
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Post# 42878-7/31/2004-16:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Actually the machine wasn't Harvest Gold but White; it just had a Harvest Gold dryer door & lid. Also the Agitub fins appeared to be more rounded than the ones I've seen in pics/videos; I wonder if this was a late model made just before the WCI monster took over Frigidaire...
--Austin
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Post# 42879-7/31/2004-17:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: I looked at Peter H's pics of the Cleanshow 2003 and there was a Unimac car-wash machine with a coin-op Speed Queen agitator. I wonder if they started using SQ commercial trannys for their machines...
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/peterh770/detail?.dir=/e5ee&.dnm=904a.jpg
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Post# 42880-7/31/2004-17:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: This isn't about space ofcourse, it's about what you like. Jonathan wanted an AEG set and that's what he got. Besides that if you want to do a load of laundry at night you won't be finished at the end of the night with a combo.
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Post# 42881-7/31/2004-17:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: That is true. Both sets as well as combos have their advantages and disadvantages.
--Austin
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Post# 42882-7/31/2004-18:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Great find! IIRC,they can be set up to operate on 110V,however it takes the dryer about 2 days to dry a load!BTW,first number in the serial number should date it for you.
kennyGF
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Post# 42883-7/31/2004-18:50 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Green,green,green
MESSAGE: Must have been avacado day for me today. I picked up a GE s/s 'fridge,a Philco Ford s/s 'fridge,and a mid 70's Kenmore washer(series 80),all in green! The GE's plugged in and running,the others are still on the truck. Anybody interested?
kennyGF
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Post# 42884-7/31/2004-20:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Green,green,green
MESSAGE: If you don't have a BD machine already and your Kenmore is in good shape you should think about using it regularly; great machines!
--Austin
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Post# 42885-7/31/2004-20:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Well it certainly wouldn't take longer than the 90's Kenmore "soft heat" I used in Abilene!!! Talk about SLOOOOOOW...just because a dryer is electric doesn't mean it can't be fast; the coin-op SQ I used in Austin
flew compared to the Kenmore; the load was dry
before the timer shut off.
--Austin
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Post# 42886-7/31/2004-21:15 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT:
Super rinse Norge
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone, I just got a Norge wringer in mint cont, and it says on it it's automatic and you no longer need a rinse tub, how is this possible? It says Deep Power Rinse on the label on the front, I filled it and ran it, she just kept washing and washing. Can anyone help ? I took lots of pics and video of it I will post them tomorrow for you all to see...Happy washing
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Post# 42887-7/31/2004-21:19 ||| Laundryboy (Syracuse NY)
SUBJECT:
Dating a washer
MESSAGE: How can I find out the age of my wringers?? Philco and Norge..... Cheers, Guys Chris
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Post# 42888-8/1/2004-00:18 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Super rinse Norge
MESSAGE: I think I read once that Norge had a wringer out in the sixties that had a reserve tub below the wash tub. After washing, the soapy water was released to this lower tub and the wash tub could be filled with fresh water for rinse. After rinsing, the rinse water was pumped out and the hot soapy water was pumped back into the tub for reuse.
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Post# 42889-8/1/2004-00:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your skinny mini....they are fun to watch...timed fill, that unusual agitub, over flow rinse, and rapidry 575. Have fun!
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Post# 42890-8/1/2004-02:20 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Starting Spin on a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I've found another late 70s whirlpool, pressure switch dated 07/79 model 2203. 4 Cycles 5 wash temps, infinite water level, bed of nails lint filter.
The prob is, when I first started investigating, on the beginning of spin, the start circuit on the motor would keep cycling on and off, and the motor wouldnt get started.
The belt was very tight, and I've loosened it off, and it now starts spin ok, but the motor slows down at the begining of spin until it gets up to speed.
The other one I'm regularily using doesnt do this, I thought with the whirlpool, all slipping was done at the clutch?
Do I just need to adjust the clutch slightly or is it a bigger issue?
Thanks in advance
Nathan
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Post# 42891-8/1/2004-03:02 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Hi again,
At Michaels insistance, I'm posting pics.
The exterior finish in this one is almost perfect on this one, its had a very carefull owner. On the outside anyways. He wants this one to replace the older one in the laundry.
On the inside, the plastic tub ring, and agitator cap are very perished, luckily I happen to have spares of both.
When you take the top panel off, they're been around and rustproofed all under the top. You can basically see a dividing line where the rust starts, and its at the edge of the rust proofing.
It has a new Wigwag, the solonoids are bright yellow.
This one seems to have a permanently on Suds Miser (Whirlpool corp Michigan TM)
There is no control knob, so I'm assuming that if the suds diverter was there, it'd automatically divert every wash's water.
I dont know that that is a feature I want, but as the wiring is there, I'll see if its possible to still get the valve and solonoid, and see how it works. Our standpipe is large enough to get both hoses in at once.
I'll post more pics, when I start doing some more work.
Sorry for the long post
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=28@Whirlpool%202203%20Control%20Panel@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 42892-8/1/2004-03:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Love the pic. You must *always* post pics! It's familar, yet strangely different, LOL!
Yes, the clutch should slip, not the belt. Sounds like the clutch is grabbing too much and either needs adjustment or replacement.
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Post# 42893-8/1/2004-03:24 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Probably the belt is too tight or the bearings in the motor are bad or possibly the run windings are shorted. Also does the pump turn freely?
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Post# 42894-8/1/2004-04:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Hi Fixerman,
I've loosened the belt, and it's always agitated fine. I havent had the pump off yet to see how that is, so I'll do that next and then try adjusting the clutch.
Once it gets up to speed, it runs fine, its just getting spin started that causes a hiccough.
Thanks for the suggestions
Nathan
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Post# 42895-8/1/2004-05:36 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
1955 General Motors Frigidaire DRYER -Filtrator Dryer- Stratford Yellow-Near MINT
MESSAGE: Saw this on eBay and thought someone might appreciate it.
Only a few hours left and not one bid, even at $50.
Launderess
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3830039621&rd=1
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Post# 42896-8/1/2004-05:50 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Not sure if this makes the grade as "vintage" but..
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3830419622&rd=1
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Post# 42897-8/1/2004-08:23 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Running it on 110V means the heating element gets half the voltage that it's rated for.That's why it takes forever to dry on 110V. Normally electric dryers dry as fast as their gas counterparts.
kennyGF
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Post# 42898-8/1/2004-08:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Green,green,green
MESSAGE: Yes,they're excellent machines,however,I don't think my wife will give up her Maytag set.I may try dangling it on EBay.
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Post# 42899-8/1/2004-08:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: There was probably something wrong with it, clogged vent, bad heating element (electric).
I imagine if the Skinny Mini was converted to run on 110v, you wouldn't be able to run the washer and dryer at the same time anymore.
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Post# 42900-8/1/2004-09:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: The timed fill will probably be the most fun, since you can regulate the water level any place you want. I'm itching to see how sloshy it would be agitating a small load (not filled at max level). I heard the turnover rate isn't that bad, surprisingly. After watching Jason's video the agitation stroke is similar to a BD Whirlpool or Kenmore. Does this machine have a "gentle" setting?
Solid-tub washers are the best!
--Austin
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Post# 42901-8/1/2004-09:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I'm not converting it from 220V so I can wash/dry at the same time, and so the dryer's faster. I'd rather pay to put in a 220V line instead.
I know Kenmore makes a 110V 24" stackable with a selector switch that says "WASH-DRY". You slide it to the position you want before using, and you can't wash a load while another is drying. Not to mention the dryer would probably take FOREVER. If that was the case I'd have a gas line or 220V box installed and put a stackable with a stronger dryer there.
--Austin
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Post# 42902-8/1/2004-18:02 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: I like the Kitchen Aid diswasher and the Filtrator, both are very special apps. Thanks for the links!Don
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Post# 42903-8/1/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (local grounding)
MESSAGE: The ground can be derived from the utility pole itself.The ground cable running down the utility pole grounds the electric companies equipment on the pole as well as providing the ground for the customer.The "butt" of the pole-part that is buried underground-the base of the pole has a large copper plate on it to derive the ground.They may have to salt the area where the pole is located to give lower impedence ground for area of high ground resistence.Info on this can be found from the McGraw Hill book-"Linemans and Cablemans Handbook" which any library should have.I have a few copies of this book-one rather old.
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Post# 42904-8/1/2004-19:30 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: It has a time fill? I would have sworn that it used a pressure switch. Must be gettin' old........
kennyGF
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Post# 42905-8/1/2004-19:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: rural grounding faults
MESSAGE: For the moment-glanced t your link and read some of it.-I happen to sit in the middle of an EMF feild-the Short Wave Tx plant I work at.I don't go near the antenna when the Tx's are on-the feilds there are VERY dangerous.No one is allowed in the antenna feild near antennas that are energized.When I used to work at regular AM transmitter sites(medium wave AM)-on some occasions had to climb the tower several feet up to repair tower light flashers.That why you had the wood ladder at these places-you got on the tower from the wood laddder.You could feel the RF tingling you thru your shoes.Practically could feel the program modulation.Nowadays with safety rules more tight -clibing "Hot" towers is no longer allowed.
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Post# 42906-8/1/2004-19:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (water pipe grounding)
MESSAGE: Yes-with modern codes you have two paths for fault currents to go-the electric co. neutral and ground system and the cold water plumbing system.
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Post# 42907-8/1/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (grounding)
MESSAGE: I have heard of that-gives you two paths for fault currents to go.It makes me wonder about the little girl incident -if that premisesd was fed with a plastic water meter and someone who worked on that buildings plumbing last must have forgotten to reconnect the meter jumper strap.In the US the meters usually have to be withjin easy sight of users or building and utility inpectors so they can make sure the path is continued.
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Post# 42908-8/1/2004-19:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: The 110V models of the Skinni-Mini had a relay that would shut the dryer heater off during agitation and spin cycles of the washer so the clothes would continue to tumble without heat. That really would take forever!
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Post# 42909-8/1/2004-19:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Sure does - I have a KDS-18 like this in my kitchen.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=4091.jpg
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Post# 42910-8/1/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: I have heard about those where people that have older wiring system install new 3 pin outlets so they can use new equipment they have bought-but are to cheap to install the outlets properly.-Is that 3rd pin in the outlet that was put in REALLY grounded?If I wrote the electric codes-I would FORBID the use of the plastic wiring and outlet boxes.They are trouble waiting to happen.They can cause installers of the plastic wiring equipment to be careless-and the plastic boxes won't safely contain arcing or overheating wiring.The box would catch on fire in those cases-the metal one would not.And the metal wiring equipment maintains the grounding continuity.
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Post# 42911-8/1/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of commercial machines... (overloaded FL machines)
MESSAGE: That is true-more damage is likely to both the clothes and machine in the TL ones.I would have some concern for ther drum bearings in those machines shown in that picture.I would think the machine stuffed with what looks like twice what it should be handling. I would think that much wet clothes could put an undue strain on the drum bearings-esp when the machine spins.And of course the clothes won't get clean.They just end up with still dirty clothes and wasted time,water and energy.You would think the "dirty" clothes the stains in them would be set from the heat of the dryers.
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Post# 42912-8/1/2004-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown indoor vent system)
MESSAGE: My fathers dryer is connected to such a device.He had to use it because a dryer vent was not put into their house.The basement is truely below grade.The dryer was purchased for them (by my grandmother)For years before my dad and stepmother would use a clothesline in the spring,summer and part of fall. then they would just hang them on a clothesline my dad built in the basement.The indoor clothesline was very good in the winter.They still have it.The dryer device has water in it and my stepmom changes it and empties the lint from it after each laundry session she does.The device catches a tiny amount of lint.Most of course is caught in the dryers lint filter.She empties that too after each load.
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Post# 42913-8/1/2004-20:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: the other homes in my neighborhood have KA machines sort of like the ones pictured in the links.Would like to put one in my place.Looking for one to put in.-then would put the New WP KA machine in storage.The KA machines in the neighboring homes still work.
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Post# 42914-8/1/2004-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: You might as well not even run the dryer in that case.You are then just wasting energy to rotate the clothes.It defeats the advantage of being able to run the dryer and washer at the same time.Sounds like the machine should be designed to run from 220V only.-Well its the dryer that always provides a "fluff" dry cycle while the washer is going.
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Post# 42915-8/1/2004-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Also-the cleaning action could relate to a washboard-the clothes sliding and rubbing each other as they tumble in the washers tumbler drum.Thats whre it can be compared to a tumbler style rock polisher.As a mater of fact some lapidiaries have converted old tumbler washers to rock tumblers.they put rubber liners in the drum.Some have used TL agitate transmission to operate large "diamond or silicone carbide "Drag saws" to cut large Jade specimens.
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Post# 42916-8/1/2004-20:38 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Tolivac,
Maybe you can find a friend or someone willing to pick up and ship (providing you bid and win the dw) to you. If it is under 150lbs it can go UPS, just would need to be packaged well.
Why not contact the seller and see where they are in the "East", and would they consider packing if you paid extra. Know the auction says no, but money talks...
Hobart built KA's are work horses and built like tanks, so this unit could have years of good life left in it. Pity the seller didn't post snaps of the interior.
Launderess
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Post# 42917-8/1/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In the example of the child being killed-did the home have a plastic water meter and someone who worked on it last didn't replace the jumper?The jumper is vital with plastic meter fed plumbing system to maintain ground continuity.Also in the US tyhe "neutral" conductor is grounded.The water pipe and or electric company provided ground just provies a safe path for "fault" currents to go-IE from devices where a shorted part shorts to the case or cabinet of the appliance.If it wasn't grounded-the whole case is "live" and shocks or electrocutes anyone who touches it.The 3 wrire system allows the short to be sensed by the circuit breaker or fuse feeding the line the bad appliance is connected to. If the plumbing was grounded in the case of the girls stove-the breaker would have tripped isolating the stove from the circuit and saving the childs life.I don't fully understand Australias wiring system.
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Post# 42918-8/1/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: I don't use EBay auctions-I look for appliances locally.It is easier and cheaper for me.I have run into freinds and acquantecens that used it and have had problems(vac collectors locally) and no longer use it.Sometimes appliances like that show up at the Salvation Army stores,and the Habitat For Humanity stores.If you have such a place in your area,check it out-could be easier and cheaper than the hassles with computer auctions.I check those for appliances.also with the local sources-delivory can even be free!-that the case with the washers I have bought.The local used store or swap shop delivers them for free!They can even guarantee the machine for 30 days.
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Post# 42919-8/1/2004-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Another place I shop is the "curb"-on Monday mornings have found devices left on the curb.In one apartment house many things were left in the trash rooms-fixed them up and sold them-got many TV sets that way.I keep an eye on the curbs around here on trash day.You can get machines that way to-sometimes they even still work! the user thru it out because it was no longer "modern"I am waiting for a KA machine to be put on the curb.If it does-I will fix it up.another possiblility.
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Post# 42920-8/1/2004-22:43 ||| Touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I am pulling a harvest gold superba out for a customer this week. Works,wash arm center worn out needs new wash arm (lower). One detergent cup needs a new bimetal,want open. Other than that, machine is in great shape inside and out. Tried to talk customer in to keeping it,she said she hates harvest gold and wants more modern. Her loss, our gain if you would like this dishwasher let me know...Touchmatic5
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Post# 42921-8/1/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In the case of the grounded neutral it also protects you,your home and applinces and the utility and their equipment.This is especially true for the distributiuon transformer that feeds your home.the primary voltage on it could be anywhere from 4160V to 33,000V.If a fault occurs in the transformer-say a short between the primary and secondary windings.The secondary winding is the 120-220V that goes into your home and runs your appliances.If the neutral was floating-the shorted transfromer would send the primary hi voltage into your home and appliances!The hazard is VERY obvious.The grounded neutral would then trip the primary overload device on the faulted transformer immidiately.Better you lose power than yourself,your home or its appliances.The device blown is usually a fuse. On pole mounted equipment you can see it. If it is blown the fuse cartridge hangs down from its holder.This alerts the lineman its blown and a fault.Unfortunately on URD equipment you can't see the fuse. The lineman must open the transformer cabinet to see it.Too-a faulted transformer is VERY dangerous-if its primary is relosed-the lid could blow off exposing the lineman or anyone underneath it to very hot or even burning transformer oil.The lid of pole mounted ones blow off-serves as a pressure releif.Ground mounted ones have a pressure vent.anyone near it could get sprayed.I have seen a pole mount transformer blow-its a spectacular sight-glad you are well away from it.
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Post# 42922-8/1/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yes-how can I reach you?You are not far from me.
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Post# 42923-8/1/2004-23:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: This is going to be interesting boyz....
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3831364293&rd=1
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Post# 42924-8/1/2004-23:43 ||| Touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Give me a call 252-525-0308......Touchmatic5
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Post# 42925-8/1/2004-23:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Don't worry, no more vintage washer/dryer auctions for me, ever again, as it has been made clear that I'm not worthy.
Signed: On the trail of a modern Fisher & Paykel IWL12 and DEGX1
;-)
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Post# 42926-8/1/2004-23:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Cool!!-They would more match the house-why doesn't he use them??Too bad they didn't show interior shots of the washer and dryer.Be better than ANY of the dreck sold today!
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Post# 42927-8/1/2004-23:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thanks will give you a call Monday afternoon. I am at 252-329-8424,or 252-531-7719.
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Post# 42928-8/1/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: I wonder if we are going to get "musueam"type EBAY prices!!Good for the seller though.Its cheaper for me to look locally.
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Post# 42929-8/2/2004-00:24 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (shipping cost)
MESSAGE: does anyone have any idea what the shipping cost would be on those two machines ? they are beautiful.....good grief like I need to start a laundry machine collection! I am so impressed with your collection Uni. I think it would be cool to see it one day. LOL ! I really have got back in touch with something from my chidlhood. LOVE your first Lady Kenmore. And what a lady she is ! Love the lights in the tub. I watch my videos I have downloaded from this sight daily. AM I NUTS >? Even when i went to my mom and dads today to check on their house for them, I saw the new washer and dryer, could not resist just watching one cycle. Ran nice and quiet too. talk to ya later, Tom
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Post# 42930-8/2/2004-00:40 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
See it Wash suggestion/request
MESSAGE: Sure would be nice to have a spin cycle on the philco !
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Post# 42931-8/2/2004-02:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: Go on after it.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=6111199175&rd=1
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Post# 42932-8/2/2004-02:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire Water Bellows in PA
MESSAGE: Says 1959 through 1969.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3831096533&rd=1
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Post# 42933-8/2/2004-05:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
I find it interesting in the US you conduit the cable in the walls in metal to protect against overheating etc.
It must have something to do with the lower voltage higher amp thing, our wiring in AU just runs inside the wall, no conduit unless its in a room and even then not sometimes.
The powerpoint just screws into the plaster and the wires just poke through the wall.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 42934-8/2/2004-06:21 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: I understand you dislike of plastic boxes, but I want to make it clear that the outlet should be grounded to the ground wire and not through the box. Plastic (Romex) wire is perfectly safe as long as the ground wire is properly attached to the outlet and the box (if the box is metal). The old BX cable has unreliable ground.
Ken D.
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Post# 42935-8/2/2004-06:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (I AM GOING FOR IT :))
MESSAGE: I really want this machine, so I am going for it :)
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Post# 42936-8/2/2004-06:51 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: here we go .... well I also bid on that vintage Westy, but would actually rather try and go for this so I am going to back off on the Westy ...... yes Robert, "interesting", how well put .........
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Post# 42937-8/2/2004-06:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
'78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: OK guys, my '78 LK has broken AGAIN. Here's a chnce for all you WP/KM experts to diagnose the problem before I actually tear into it today and see what the heck is wrong with it NOW. I swear, it's at the point where everytime I start it, I cross my fingers that's it's going to make it through the cycle. It makes me see why people buy new machines. This poor thing would've been curbed long ago by the average person, but I've stuck with it since I've had it since new, still has decent styling (love that woodgrain console!) and it's the first year for Solid State. There's hardly a part in it that's original but it's STILL not reliable for it seems like more than 6 months at a time before SOMETHING breaks. Anyway, here goes:
Put a load of wash in an left for an errand. When I returned, roommate says washer dumped all it's water on floor and won't spin. Upon investigation, there'a about 6 inches of water left in the tub (started with maximum water level). Apparently whatever happened either during the neutral drain or at the beginning of the first spin. Tried to drain remaining water by opening lid and selecting Spin Only. This would normally make it go into neutral drain. Instead, it attempts to spin WITH THE LID UP, but can't come up to speed. No water is pumped out during this. I can hear the solenoid on the wig wag activate when I trip the lid switch, but it doesn't make any difference, it continues to attempt to spin. The motor makes the same sound it does as if it had a broken belt (a "free-spinning" sound) but the belt is obviously not broken because then it wouldn't be able to even attempt to spin.
So, doctors, any ideas? I thought I'd seen everything with this machine over the years, but it still manages to come up with unique ways of breaking just when I thought I'd seen it all.
And to top it off, I recently discovered that the fabric softener portion of the Triple Dispenser (Triple Dispenser #2 in the life of the machine) was not holding the fabric softener, but letting it drain out into the wash water. So now, I have to either wait for the rinse cycle and add it manually, or use dryer sheets. Of course, dummy me didn't think at the time to strip Triple Dispenser #1 for parts (it's failure was due to a broken nipple on the bleach portion of the plastic body, not a failure of the mechanics)
AUUUGH!
So, doctors, what do you think?
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Post# 42938-8/2/2004-07:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: So does anyone know what year these machines actually are? Obviously not a what I call an "exact match" set, they are obviously slightly different years or same year but different model lines, a "pseudo match". Unlike what the seller says, they look 60's to me.
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Post# 42939-8/2/2004-07:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (conduit)
MESSAGE: Depends on the locality where the home is built and the time it was built. There is a National Electric Code that dictates minimum standards. However, local municipaaities are free to have tougher standards. Example, the NEC code says that plastic covered wiring (commonly called "Romex" though that's a brand name) can be used for wiring. This simply put through holes drilled in the studs of walls or ceiling joists. However, in Los Angeles, where I live, this kind of wiring was FORBIDDEN until the at least the 1960's. All wiring had to be in either rigid metal conduit (which had to be bent and threaded like water pipes), or "BX" conduit (a spiral round, flexible metal conduit.) A "fish" was then passed through and the wiring pulled through. A third option was "armored cable". This was similar to the BX conduit, but the wires are already installed inside and you just had to cut the armor and strip the wiring to install. Los Angeles required this kind of wiing starting sometime in the TEENS when surrounding cities and uninocprated county areas still allowed Knob-&-tube wiring. What's nice is that because of this requirement going back so many years, one can safely convert old 2 prong outlets to modern 3 prong grounded outlets even in fairly old houses in Los Angeles and be fairly sure that the outlet will actually be grounded.
Another example is that the NEC code allows the ground and Neutral on 220V appliances such as ranges and dryers to be connected together, but some cities insist that the Ground and Neutral be carried separately, which requires a 4 pin outlet and cord for these appliances instead of the more common 3 pin outlet and cord.
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Post# 42940-8/2/2004-07:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: This was the washer we had when we moved into our brand new house in 1966 with an Easy dryer. The set didn't last 5 years and was replaced with the top of the line GE set with mini-basket. The Hotpoint washer wasn't a favorite of mine as it didn't have many neat features. I loved the new GE pair, but we moved to Florida for a short time , and the set stayed with the house.
The condo we moved to in Ft. Lauderdale in 72 had a GE frontloader combo. My grandmother hated it, as the dryer never worked, and she would have drying racks on the terrace of our high rise, the neighbors also hated it!LOL! When we moved back to the midwest we had a rental house with an avocado green bottom of the line Frigidaire Jet-cone, while we were building our house. In the new house we had a havest gold 1-18 to be replaced with a gold Maytag while I was away at college, to my shock! Have a nice week, it's washday Monday!
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Post# 42941-8/2/2004-07:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Austrailian wiring)
MESSAGE: You may be used to seeing wiring in a fairly modern Australian house, but have you seen wiring in an OLD Austrailian house? Things may have done differently in the early days. I'm curious to see how it evolved over the years.
The early outlets (before 1910) here did not use the prong system, they were built like light sockets and appliances had screw threads like light bulbs constructed so that the cord would swivel as you screwed it into the outlet. Light switches were big, round rotary switches mounted on the wall and in the EARLIEST systems the wiring wasn't even IN the wall, it was mounted on the surface of the walls and ceiling on insulators.
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Post# 42942-8/2/2004-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (unreliable ground)
MESSAGE: Yes, you're right, the plastic Romex cable is perfectly safe IF it's done properly, but ther's the catch. Not every electrician is competent or thorough, woudl be nice if they were. Actually, if using metal boxes and plastic cable, the ground wire is ideally supposed to be attached to BOTH the box AND the wiring device grounding screw
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Post# 42943-8/2/2004-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (1930's my big hairy....)
MESSAGE: Who can tell us what year(s) this is machine really from?
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Post# 42944-8/2/2004-08:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Water Bellows in PA
MESSAGE: Should say 1947 through 1969, but who's counting.
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Post# 42945-8/2/2004-08:16 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (got it!!!)
MESSAGE: Greg you go for the Hotpoint and I'll go for the Westy they end at about the same time so we can use my truck to go get them BOTH in one big swing thru the south!!! YAY!
jon
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Post# 42946-8/2/2004-08:19 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Greg were rich!)
MESSAGE: Greg I am at Roberts right now email me here.
jon
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Post# 42947-8/2/2004-08:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (1930's my big hairy....eeeew!)
MESSAGE: The Streamliner...nice!
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Post# 42948-8/2/2004-08:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: We have a POD that is mid-60's with this panel style. Hotpoint made this style up to the early 70's so it's hard to tell exactly.
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Post# 42949-8/2/2004-08:28 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: Hi Juane,
It sounds like you have a bent spin cam plunger. If the plunger is bent the cam bar gets "stuck" in the middle of it's travel. So it is halfway between drain & spin. That isn't difficult to fix. You have to snap the old plunger at the bar that rides in the slot of the cam bar. Plunger kit p/n is 350384. Let me know if I can be of any help.
John
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Post# 42950-8/2/2004-08:54 ||| colonydude (The Colony, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (what a joy)
MESSAGE: I grew up with this model, from mid 70's when we moved into the house with it; ran until just a few years ago.
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Post# 42951-8/2/2004-10:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: WOW What a find- Silhouette (sp) series is definately pre- GE (made by Easy)? May have the "fountain filter" and spiral agitator. And showroom new to boot!
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Post# 42952-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: The "Fountain Filter" is my favorite type of agitator-mounted lint filter, even though I have yet to see it in action. Just the way it works amazes me though.
Good luck Greg and be sure to post pics!
--Austin
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Post# 42953-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: I see Jon (Jetcone) is the high bidder on this one...
Btw this is an early 50's bolt-down model.
--Austin
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Post# 42954-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: I see Jon (Jetcone) is the high bidder on this one...
Btw this is an early 50's bolt-down model.
--Austin
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Post# 42955-8/2/2004-12:55 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: Austin, You are correct about the year of these machaines. We have a development of slab ranch houses, that when they were built in the early to mid fifties, that had these machines built in under the counter next to the refrigerator. My mothers counsin had this machine and it fascinating to watch when I was little. However, I do remember the timer control being built into the formica counter top next to the sink. How and why would this be done this way?
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 42956-8/2/2004-14:51 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (Futurism)
MESSAGE: Rayjay:
In the 1950's, there were a lot more manufacturers than there are now, all fighting very hard for market share. Anything that set their products apart from others was all to the good, especially if it didn't cost much to do.
Futurism was very important to consumers then- people wanted products that looked futuristic, even in traditional-looking homes. You could have a perfectly-cloned Williamsburg Colonial, but that didn't mean that a horse and carriage were going to be in the driveway- people wanted the most up-to-date car they could find. Same with appliances- nobody was looking to stir iron pots in a fireplace to rustle up dinner.
Fifties technology was a little bit limited. Stuff that could easily be accomplished today with electronics had to be done with electromechanical means. Given that real futurism was often beyond the technology of the time, fake futurism often took its place. Cars that were little different mechanically than 1940's models got tailfins and two-tone paint to make them seem more futuristic than they really were. By the same token, since one washer is very like another in basic function, design tricks were played to make people think that their appliances were futuristic, too. A control panel that mounted away from the appliance cost very little to produce, but was something the average consumer had never seen before, and that was the point.
If you can convince consumers that some trick design is "the wave of the future", it doesn't really matter if it's any good or not. Take wall ovens and cooktops. They offer very few advantages over a regular range, and they have a lot of disadvantages, like their installation cost and the difficulty of putting a replacement unit in the same cut-out the old appliance used. People bought the fantasy that this was the future, and so these appliances are with us yet.
If you ever want a really good look at how Fifties and Sixties consumerism worked, try the book "Populuxe", by Thomas Hine. Excellent overview of the era and its fake futurism.
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Post# 42957-8/2/2004-15:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (Austrailian wiring)
MESSAGE: Hi :)
The last house I lived in, still had fabric and rubber covered wiring for the lighting in the outbuildings. (Laundry, Toilet, Toolshed) This wire was in metal conduit. The house was dated late 1800's. The Electric Meters were City of Brisbane Electric Company (This hasnt existed since the 40's I beleive)
It was a house design where the internal walls arent double. Its called Tounge and Groove, and the boards are jointed together and secured at the top and bottom, but they arent load bearing. Other than a 20amp outlet for the Dryer, the building plans showed that the other wiring had been replaced in 1953, and in most places it used the very early style non-bakelite powerpoints.
It was all plastic coated 3 core wire, that was attached to the inside walls with clips, so the wiring was all visible without conduit. The only thing that make it substandard by current rules, was that the light fixtures were not earthed. (Lighting cable was two core.)
We too used light sockets for appliances in the early days, we've mainly had the bayonet style light socket since the 30's I think. My mum still has a collection of the Light Double Adaptors so you could run an Iron (For Example) and the light at the same time.
So yes I'm unsure about the Pre 1930's power, but unless it was the rubber and cloth covered wire, (In the early days, this went into wooden mounting blocks that the individual switches and outlets were mounted on.) I havent seen a house wired extensively with conduit.
Nathan
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Post# 42958-8/2/2004-16:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, I sure hope to get these, but I am not going crazy, if I get outbid so be it. Its not to far a drive for me either. My friend Jon wants the Westy bad so I told him I would not bid anymore on it. I will definately post pics too. I just tore down two more machines today, so I now have room for a couple more and I have a few things out on ebay to make more room as well.
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Post# 42959-8/2/2004-16:21 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale
MESSAGE: Hi all, I have a mid 70's belt-drive 18lb capacity Whirlpool Washer that I am wanting to sell to give me more room. I want $250.00 for it. I have the receipt of everything that was done to it. New tranny, belt, pump, tub seal, and the entire I guess what they call "super-structure", spin tube, spin tube bearings, spin clutch/brake, etc. Its all new. I have ALOT of faith in the guy who fixed it for me up in Vermont. His labor rate is cheap but he does high quality work and he stands behind it. I have used the machine about a dozen times in the last six months since the work was done and the machine works great. If I can't get what I put into it then I will just keep it. I can email pics to those who are interested in it. It is in excellent cosmetic shape. Sorry, no lighted consoles. If interested in buying email me at gregm978@aol.com
Thanks :)
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Post# 42960-8/2/2004-16:44 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Be careful when bidding on this....the description is not that accurate. Has to be mid-60's or newer because the address plate (as shown in one of the pictures) has a Zip Code on it........
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Post# 42961-8/2/2004-17:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: These were made by Hotpoint, at the time, a division of General Electric but a separate entity, factories, etc. Not until about 1974 were the Hotpoint laundry products simply GE clones. Hotpoint made laundry products for Easy sometime in the late 60's, early 70's.
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Post# 42962-8/2/2004-17:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (Earlier...)
MESSAGE: Could be as early as the 40's....
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Post# 42963-8/2/2004-17:09 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
Weekend in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Rhinnie and I just got back from a wonderful weekend in Atlanta. We stayed with Steve Riley (Gyrofoam) and played all weekend long. Did I say we had a great time? Oh yes!
Friday I picked up Steve at his house and we drove to Marietta to swap out a 1960 GE dishwasher (a pullout draw type with the impeller wash). Steve was my assistant and Rhinnie was the foreman! We also replaced the countertop cook top. The GE dishwasher has probably not been used for 20+ years, but the motor came to life when we locked the lid and turned the knob. It is going to need a GOOD cleaning and a new lid seal, for sure. Pictures will follow (but for now it is in the trailer and it’s not coming out, tonight).
Saturday, Steve, Brent and I did a double heart / lung transplant on Steve’s two Maytags. We took the two cabinets and swapped the innards. Steve’s 85 Maytag was running a little better than the 70’s. I did look to see if the pads were in place, and they looked okay. There is more vibration from the 70’s machine and I think the wood floor in Steve’s kitchen amplified it. I didn’t notice it when I ran it on a concrete floor at my house.
Sunday, we did a little work on the Amana washer. I fixed the lid switch so Steve could call service in to look at the sagging tub. I can’t see why but when it is full of clothes and water, it leans to the right. All the springs look okay, but I even swapped a couple, with no change. Being that the washer is only a couple of years old, Steve is going to get a service person to look at it.
Later, we did a little shopping / window shopping at BJ’s and Cosco’s and went over to BIG LOTS to pick up some odds and ends.
George (Geodon2000) came over for a short visit and saw Steve’s collection.
Both Saturday and Sunday, Steve fixed the most fabulous meals. WHAT A GUY!
Monday morning, we hitched up the wagon and headed home to Augusta and got in about 4 pm. I did a little unpacking, made a few phone calls and logged on to share the weekend with all of Applianceville.
Here is a link to some of the pictures from the weekend.
Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?&.dir=/8423&.src=ph
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Post# 42964-8/2/2004-18:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: The model number suggests to me that its 1972. But its still an EXTREMELY rare solid basket hotpoint. Very few of these are left surviving.
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Post# 42965-8/2/2004-18:28 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: I know that Hotpoint washers/dryers have been made by GE for years, but weren't these based more on the EASY washer/dryer design? This particular dryer does not have the same door opening as those made by GE. I remember my sister's washer like this one with the aqua colored "burp up" agitator. Truly an exciting machine. I recently saw an electric dryer much like this one but it was much too rusty to rescue.
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Post# 42966-8/2/2004-18:36 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: I'm going to guess,and say that something is stuck in the pump,or the pump went south.
I've seen BD Kenmores that try to spin with a full load of wash,and water,and do what you describe.Let us know.
kennyGF
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Post# 42967-8/2/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In homes the wiring is not always run in conduit.Most of the time the wiring is a plastic insulated 3 conductor cable known as "Romex"That is a trade name then turning into a "generic" name.Its like "Kleenex" for tissue paper and "Skilsaw" for a portable hand held circular saw.The 3 conductors in the cable are for "hot","neutral" and "ground".Some lcal building codes may specify that the cable be run in metal conduit-also known as "EMT" Electrical Metallic Tubing.You see lots of conduit in commercial and industrial buildings.The wiring in those is 3 phase and handling more power.Also there is one cable per phase run thru the conduit.The places where the cable is more likely to overheat is where it is spliced.In our codes cable splices must be in what is called a Junction box.The conecrn I had with the plastic box is if the splice overheated-the plastic box would melt or burn.The metal one wouldn't.In homes for the most part the Romex cable just runs thru the walls.It is very rare it overheats in the area behind the wall.As one other person pointed out-Local, state ,or even county codes may require enclosing the romex in counduit.
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Post# 42968-8/2/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Yes,I realize the the outlet is grounded thru the 3rd wire in the cable.I am not against the Romex cable but just the plastic "J"-boxes and outlet boxes.The metal grounded box does add some extra safety the plastic does not.Esp the overheated splices-its rare but can happen.The metal box can safely enclose it.the plastic box will melt,or burn.
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Post# 42969-8/2/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Yes-the Zip code is the dead giveaway--.May not be as "Old" as the seller thinks.
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Post# 42970-8/2/2004-20:41 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend in Atlanta (Thanks for the pictures Steve and Steve)
MESSAGE: Steve 1-18,
Thanks for the pictures.
It was great to spend some time with you guys.
Learned a lot about switching out the Maytag's. Had a great time washing in them also.
Atlanta Steve thanks for the pizza, and letting me love on your animals! You are a terrific host! Hope to see you soon!
Brent
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Post# 42971-8/2/2004-20:56 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: I think its late 60's and the dryer a little older. We had the matching electric dryer to that washer when I was a kid and I think it was somewhere between a '65 and '67 .....
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Post# 42972-8/2/2004-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: That was one thing I look for on nameplates-if there is a zip code-ther later 60's would be about right.Still cool machines though.Still surprized they don't just use them.So the machines are not quite matched?
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Post# 42973-8/2/2004-23:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Another thing I should add about those vintage solid basket Hotpoints that make them even more cool is the entire cabinet is all porcelain. The reason for this is because there is no outer tub and it is sooooo cool how it throws the water against the wall of the machine cabinet (like the ‘47 Frigidaire or the ABC-O-Matic) and it makes a huge wooshing sound as well as suddenly heating up the cabinet if your washing in hot water.
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Post# 42974-8/2/2004-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: And the Thor!
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Post# 42975-8/2/2004-23:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Jon says, check this out...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_72Hotpoint
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Post# 42976-8/2/2004-23:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Oh that's right, the Thor throws the water against the cabinet too, anything else?
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Post# 42977-8/2/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: That would be so neat-Sounds interesting.Would like the sound and the effect of heating up the case quickly.Imagine the effect in the summer when you use it with cold water.Now that would have to be the best built and designed washer cabinet out there.Would have many uses in the "afterlife" as well.
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Post# 42978-8/2/2004-23:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Gasp! Look at that beautiful porcelain tub and black spiral agitator, what a pretty machine - and MINTY too!
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Post# 42979-8/2/2004-23:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Early Apex?
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Post# 42980-8/2/2004-23:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, How, how, how could I have forgetten about the Apex????
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Post# 42981-8/3/2004-06:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: I was just curious who is bidding against me .....
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Post# 42982-8/3/2004-06:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis (spin cam plunger)
MESSAGE: I've run into this problem before with bent plungers, but in that case they didn't just bend on their own. Last time, it was the gearcase failing because of water getting into it from a bad agitator shaft seal. I still haven't gone into the machine yet to determine exactly what's happening. You may be right, but if that's the case, now I wonder what would be causing them to bend. Very frustrating when I know this stuff has been delat with in the past, and not so long ago, certainly less than the years and years this stuff is supposed to last.
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Post# 42983-8/3/2004-07:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire WM11 (Aussie round barrel type)
Chris
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Post# 42984-8/3/2004-07:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (lack of outer tub)
MESSAGE: I don't get it, if there's no outer tub in these machines, where is the water that's being thrown out going to?
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Post# 42985-8/3/2004-07:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (lack of outer tub)
MESSAGE: The outer tub IS the cabinet.
The sides of the cabinet and a floor inside form a water tight area which functions as the outer tub.
The disadvantage of this setup is that if the tub rusts through, the machine is a throwaway.
Chris.
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Post# 42986-8/3/2004-09:36 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale
MESSAGE: Hey there Greg, whats the model number of the washer that your trying to sell? And any pics of it?
Mike
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Post# 42987-8/3/2004-09:37 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u)
MESSAGE: Whoever it is, they bought Robert's 65 SQ last month on ebay.
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Post# 42988-8/3/2004-09:39 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: He's / She's the same person that won Uni's Speed Queen washer.
Steve1-18
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Post# 42989-8/3/2004-10:17 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: I have a 2003 Amana model#ALW432RAW When full of water and clothes the tub leans all the way over to the two-o'clock position! Steve 1-18 checked it out over the weekend and everything appears to be normal. He even swapped out one spring on one side for another and found there to be no difference. Also every now and then it goes ZZZZing! Sounds like a pulley (bearing) going bad.As it spin/drains tub will straighten out! Machine is just out of one year warranty for labor. Called Amanatag to try to get them to cover it but they all just blew me off. Called Maytags executive office spoke with a droid at the pres. of Cust. Svc. and they just said no warranty I pay! When I asked what happened to the "dependable" in Maytag I was told they did the same thing with me they did with everyone else! So much for Maytag (BIG suprise!)and their cudstomer service! Oh well, anyone got any ideas on how to repair this beast?
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Post# 42990-8/3/2004-10:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: The 1972 Hotpoint POD machine I'd say is the most interesting and most-TOL Hotpoint machine I've ever seen.
I'm crossing my fingers hoping that one of us wins it instead of it going to someone who is doing their house in "vintage"...
--Austin
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Post# 42991-8/3/2004-10:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: In my opinion Amana washers are well-styled but crappy as far as the mechanicals are concerned. Consumer Reports ranks Amana among the more repair-prone brands based on a consumer survey. Go for a Speed Queen in another year or so (I'm pretty sure today's SQs are still Amana clones).
I'm still out to find the electronic version; I saw one at Sears in 1998 and it had more programs than a modern-day Maytag Neptune!! Very expensive too; $1000 at the time!
--Austin
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Post# 42992-8/3/2004-10:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
This is rare....
MESSAGE: Yes, it's not a clothes washer, but a washer nonetheless! ;-)
The Hoover Floor Washer/Dryer was made in the early 60's and you could say it's the precursor to the 90's FloorMax and today's FloorMate. You spray the solution on the floor, vacuum it up, and the machine's exhaust port dries the floor instantly! This particular machine is fit for either everyday use or for a collection.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4316617899
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Post# 42993-8/3/2004-10:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure it's Rich (TrainGuy) in Pennsylvania, but that's just a guess...
--Austin
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Post# 42994-8/3/2004-11:36 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: This may not be a very popular post, but oh well! Why would someone who is doing their home "vintage", be less deserving of having one of these machines? It seems a little selfish that someone can't have one vintage machine to enjoy, in any way they want when members may have 20 or 30 machines in their basement or in a warehouse. Let's be fair to everyone out there! It's great to be supportive of the "club", but with all the exposure out there on this site, and the recent record setting prices on these washers, we will be seeing a lot more interest in vintage machines.
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Post# 42995-8/3/2004-13:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: Stop guessing. Last time you were guessing and even came with evidence you were wrong. Leave it up the person who is bidding if he or she wants to reveal his or her identity.
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Post# 42996-8/3/2004-13:39 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: I'm thinking maybe a bent or damaged base. Maybe the base flexes making the noise. This may also account for the tub leaning. Just a thought.
Greg
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Post# 42997-8/3/2004-15:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: Other way around -- Amana WAS a SQ clone.
Amana discussions are Sandbox fodder.
-ph
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Post# 42998-8/3/2004-15:50 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING! (Kleenmaid)
MESSAGE: I Thought so Peter, The Kleenmaid looks identical to the one in the pics.
Nathan
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Post# 42999-8/3/2004-15:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Looks like you guys had a great time, glad to see the pics. That coppertone 806 Maytag is gorgeous!
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Post# 43000-8/3/2004-16:55 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: Sorry, I thought you guys already knew since I bought several machines through ebay already. In any case, its me. Todd
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Post# 43001-8/3/2004-18:19 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u )
MESSAGE: howdy todd, best of luck,,, when it cools off can we play again. Seems like our last wash- was in Sept. I really just wanted to say hi. Arthur alr2903.
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Post# 43002-8/3/2004-18:22 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...anything else )
MESSAGE: Robert how about that poor outside kelvy you guys posted pictures of in Ok. was that a "cabinet is the outer tub kind of machine" just thought it looked like it might be? alr2903
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Post# 43003-8/3/2004-19:00 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u )
MESSAGE: Hi Art, its good to hear from you. Jason called me earlier today and we decided that early in the fall we will have the next wash-in. We will have the new Speed Queen, too. Looking forward to seeing you guys again! We will have to get Bob (Appnut) shipped in for the next one! LOL Todd
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Post# 43004-8/3/2004-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is rare....
MESSAGE: Cool!!-the original FloorMate machine.Unfortunately-have mostly carpet in my place-and the bare floors are covered with vacuums and a few washers.
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Post# 43005-8/3/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: I am waiting until October-SQ is supposed to be "rolling out" a consumer marketed machines.Wonder if they will be unmetered commercial machines that were previously marketed under Alliance Laundry Products.
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Post# 43006-8/3/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: My home was built in 1972-have leads on a KA Dishwasher.Now I am keeping the original machines in my kithcen.Was going to replace them-but not at this point.The Vintage ones are better!!The new KA dishwasher I got will be replaced with an older one.
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Post# 43007-8/3/2004-19:39 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u )
MESSAGE: You betcha that APPNUT /Bob needs to ship in, If it ever cools off. Will be good to see you and Jason again. alr2903
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Post# 43008-8/3/2004-19:43 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u )
MESSAGE: Sorry to post twice. Todd you need to post your pics @ collections you have some very nice things.alr2903
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Post# 43009-8/3/2004-19:59 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Not to keep "scrubbing" on an old topic, but ZIP codes were introduced in '63 or'64.....being a "classic" myself, born in '54, the same year as my mother's Frigidaire set, I was in the 4th grade when I first read about ZIP codes in MY WEEKLY READER (a newspaper for elementary school...for those too young to remember).
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Post# 43010-8/3/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-The Weekly Reader-When you mentioned that-I thought-that was that little newspaper we read in class!.I didn't know exactly when zip codes came out-just thought it was sometime in the 60's.Actually looked forward to reading The Weekly Reader in class.Wonder if they still have it.I was born in '51-guess we are both "classics"
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Post# 43011-8/3/2004-20:39 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
SQ on October 18th.
MESSAGE: I hope that Speed Queen startes to sell some at Sears. Sears used to sell SQ washers and dryers right along with Amana. Amana, SQ, and Kleenmaid all had the same identical parts. I wonder when they're supposed to take the coin-operated machines out of the laundromats. I wonder if Maytag is going to also manufacture some of these.
GOD BLESS SPEED QUEEN! DON'T BUY UNIMAC, THEY COST TOO MUCH!
Chris
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Post# 43012-8/3/2004-20:44 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale (your email ???)
MESSAGE: Mike, I tried to email you photos per the email address in your profile but aol says your "not a member", can you send your email address to me at "gregm978@aol.com" ? and I will gladly send you photos and the model # is LAA7800W3 by the way.
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Post# 43013-8/3/2004-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th.
MESSAGE: I was kinda hoping SQ sells thru an independent dealer-no big box stores.I don't think Sears could be put in the big box catagory-but getting service from them can be difficult-but if the SQ machine is like the old SQ you won't need it!Just hope its not a rehash of the "Amanatag"
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Post# 43014-8/3/2004-22:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Weekly Reader is still alive and doing well. It is used in many of the elementary schools. Always enjoyed using it with the students.
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Post# 43015-8/3/2004-22:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Thats good-glad to hear that.Hope it keeps going-where can one find vintage copies of it?Might want to relive my childhood!
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Post# 43016-8/4/2004-04:23 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th.
MESSAGE: I would be very surprised if this new Speed Queen is anything besides a rebadged "Amanatag".But then,I've been surprised before.
kennyGF
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Post# 43017-8/4/2004-05:18 ||| Derrek17 (Huntsville,AL)
SUBJECT:
Still looking for a 1960 Frigidaire Imperial washer & dryer
MESSAGE: Hey everyone,
I am still looking for a 1960 Frigidare Imperial Washer WCI-60 and 1960 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer-filtrator. They can be working or not working. Please if anyone can point me in the direction of finding this set it would be greatly appreciated. Whether it is a person or group that could help me- my email is Hsvboy41@aol.com or derrekcouch@yahoo.com.
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Post# 43018-8/4/2004-06:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Gibson POD
MESSAGE: Vacu-Dry?! That's a new one...
So what was it?
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Post# 43019-8/4/2004-06:44 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale (your email ???)
MESSAGE: Greg the email is maineman39952@hotmail.com
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Post# 43020-8/4/2004-06:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (My Weekly Reader)
MESSAGE: Yes, I well remember reading My Weekly Reader. I'm vintage 1953. Zip Codes were introduced in 1963, same year as All Digit Dialing.
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Post# 43021-8/4/2004-06:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Weekly Reader)
MESSAGE: I guess the place to start reliving your childhood would be with the publisher.
LINK: http://www.weeklyreader.com/homepage.asp
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Post# 43022-8/4/2004-06:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Speed Queen "Amanatag"
MESSAGE: I would think that the new homeline would simply be their laundromat machines with regular controls. That's what was at the laundromat when I had to schlep the wet load that was in the LK to when it failed. The machines there still have the stainless steel tub. Are those considered to be "Amanatags"?
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Post# 43023-8/4/2004-07:06 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Still looking for a 1960 Frigidaire Imperial washer & dryer
MESSAGE: That is a very rare set that your looking for as many of us here would love to have I am sure. I would recommend getting out there and contacting every appliance dealer you come in contact with, asking them what they do with old appliances they find. Make them a monetary offer, usually $100.00 opens there eyes, but even then most will not help, but in your case your looking for something very specific, whereas I was looking for old washers and dishwashers from the 50's and 60's. I would also contact any and every recycler you can find. Be prepared, again most will not help you but its a matter of statistics. I contacted at least fifty and only three have helped me. But through those three I have found some real classics and it was all worth it. Try estate sales too. I have yet to make/find the time for that and they don't seem to be a real popular thing in New England. But I know and have heard that is a great avenue as well. Good luck, like they say "nothing comes easy", and the ones that do ?? thank your LUCKY stars :-) .............
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Post# 43024-8/4/2004-08:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Leaning Amana with ZING!
MESSAGE: Alliance Laundry Product is SQ. Of course they will be unmetered for home use. They will be the same quality as the laundromat machines they have been making for some years now.
New SQ conversation is Sandbox fodder...
-ph
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Post# 43025-8/4/2004-08:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th. (Aussie Kleenmaid)
MESSAGE: "Had" is right. When Alliance broke with Goodman, the machines started changing.
Coin-op SQ is not leaving the market. Maytag will have nothing to do with SQ in any manner.
Unimac and SQ are the same machines.
Aussie club friends: Do you all have any info on whether Kleenmaid machines are sourced from Alliance or from Maytag?
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Post# 43026-8/4/2004-08:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th.
MESSAGE: It will be a completely different machine...
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Post# 43027-8/4/2004-09:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen "Amanatag"
MESSAGE: No, coin-op SQ have always been non-Maytag-enhanced.
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Post# 43028-8/4/2004-10:13 ||| touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT:
E-bay buyng horrors again
MESSAGE: I won the bid Monday on e-bay for the Frigidaire Flair Custom D.range. The seller has refused my e-mails and will not return my phone calls. I wonder if they already sold it before the auction ended. I have to say this is it for me trying to by vintage appliances off e-bay. Anyone else that bids on e-bay for vintage appliances,beware,this is so dissapointing,I am remodeling my Kitchen back to reflect mid 60s,and now no flair range.
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Post# 43029-8/4/2004-11:21 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Hi:
No matter what the seller has done with the Flair range, and no matter what his feelings are about the closing bid or whatever, he or she is in the wrong here. An eBay auction is a legally binding contract, and the seller is breaking it.
I would file a complaint with eBay, at the page I've linked to below. There is also information on how to contact the seller in other ways besides email on that page.
If these steps don't get the seller's cooperation, I would file negative feedback on the seller. This is NOT being mean or spiteful; it is letting other people know of a person who does not measure up to the trust expected of eBay sellers and buyers.
Again, that seller assumed a legal obligation to you, and you do have some rights. None of this will make him come up with the range if he doesn't want to, but he will have damaged his eBay reputation, and that will come back to haunt him, trust me.
LINK: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-protection.html
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Post# 43030-8/4/2004-13:40 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Ebay will not and cannot do anything to force a seller to complete a transaction. You will find this under the Safe Harbor listing for "things Safe Harbour will not investigate". All the would be buyer can do is file a neg mark against the seller.
We won an auction for a washer a few months ago, got estimates from several crating companies to pack, pick up and ship the machine, but suddenly the seller got cold feet. Every email brought a new excuse (when they were answered). Finally used the "seller information" feature to contact him directly.
Basically the seller "decided" the washer wasn't right for us and thought we would be better off with another machine. What nerve eh?
What you CAN do in a situation is this if refuse to allow the seller to get back his eBay fees. In order to cancel the transaction, eBay will send a "Mutual Agreement to Terminate" form, which if the buyer agrees allows both parties to back out of the transaction, and the seller to get back his money.
Ebay is in business for the sellers, and does not seem really to care about buyers, other than those whom do not pay.
Launderess
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Post# 43031-8/4/2004-13:44 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th. (SQ Is Back)
MESSAGE: There has been a lenghty discussion on this matter in the Sandbox.
In brief Alliance Laundry Systems (owners of the SQ brand) were prevented by Maytag (who bought the original parent company) from selling directly to consumers for a certian period of time by contractual agreement. That agreement has lapsed and with a court ruling against Maytag, Alliance is allowed to begin selling to consumers effective October 18th.
The washers and dryers are not rebadged Maytags, but the same "commercial homestyle" washers and dryers Alliance builds and markets as soft mount washers for commercial use.
Some dealers will sell you units now if you wish.
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Post# 43032-8/4/2004-14:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Hi:
eBay policy may have changed, but on the one occasion I ran into this situation, they contacted the seller, reminded him that I had the right to leave negative feedback, and told him that he had entered into a contract that he should honour. It wasn't heavy-duty enforcement, just a reminder, but it turned the situation around. That's all I know.
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Post# 43033-8/4/2004-15:16 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Weekly Reader)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link to MWR....
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Post# 43034-8/4/2004-15:21 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Guess if one did submitt a complaint to Safe Harbour they will contact the seller, but the reminders are all that can happen. Sellers mostly know the consequences of not fulfilling an auction but the neg mark is the extent of the damage one can do. Unlike buyers, eBay does not have a "NPB" type system for sellers who do not complete a transaction. Perhaps they feel loss of fees is a proper punishment.
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Post# 43035-8/4/2004-15:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th. (Aussie Kleenmaid)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,
I would say the Kleenmaids are sourced from Alliance.
Looking at the Amana website, those machines look like Maytags, the Kleenmaid machines look nearly identical to the Alliance comercial stuff.
So based on appearances I would say that they come from Alliance.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 43036-8/4/2004-16:18 ||| touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Thanks from all that have responded with help in this matter. I have great news! The person selling the stove was not at the adress or no given,it was sold for a freind,to make a long story short,their was a communications problem,she did know about the emails, they were on her freinds computer,freind was out of town. Phone no was someone elses too, the person that anserd was not aware of the stove at all. Anyway after all this I am closing my shop a couple of days and I am going to Boston after it. I have bad dreams of a fork lift going though it or all the glass being broke when it got here. I will rest better when its in the new kitchen of the 60s. Just not looking fordward to the 14 hr drive to go after it.......
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Post# 43037-8/4/2004-18:37 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Glad all's well that ends well- except for that fourteen-hour drive. OY.
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Post# 43038-8/4/2004-19:35 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th. (SQ Is Back)
MESSAGE: Oh yes,
Maytag owns Amana (which IIRC was part of Goodman along with SQ), and did not want Alliance to enter the home consumer market, so hauled them into court and lost. Think the dispute was about when the contractual period banning Alliance Laundry Systems from the home market ended. Considering the build quality of SQ washers verus what Maytag is putting out today, I'd be worried also.
Just for the record Maytag's stock is NOT doing well and rumors on Wall Street are the company is ripe for a takeover, hostile or otherwise. Labour problems, lawsuits over the Neptune line are just some of the problems Maytag is having.
Ok, back to the Sandbox
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Post# 43039-8/4/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Weekly Reader)
MESSAGE: Tried your link-quite interesting.Some of the recipes might be worth trying. Thnx.
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Post# 43040-8/4/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen "Amanatag"
MESSAGE: That would be good-better than the butchered "Amanatag" design.Saw many bad things about those in Epinions.
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Post# 43041-8/4/2004-21:06 ||| Mrhoyt (uk)
SUBJECT:
launderette notices
MESSAGE: Hello. I'm looking for pics of Mrs Hoyt. I recall seeing her on Launderette notices in the 70's. I contacted Hoyt, but no responce. Prob thought I was mad. She had a bob and A line skirt as I recall.
LINK: http://www.three-wheelers.com
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Post# 43042-8/4/2004-22:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ on October 18th. (Aussie Kleenmaid)
MESSAGE: I still think the Kllenmaids are soiurced from Speed Queen. They have "manufactured by Speed Queen" on the control panel.
They are hideously expensive, but htat doesnt stop people from buying them.
Kleenmaid has however, dropped its Amana refrigeration line, and is now offereing GE refridgeration in its place.
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Post# 43043-8/4/2004-23:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: Were these produced by Westinghouse?? The dryer particularly has a Westinghouse look to it. Was this awsher based on the Franklin transmission?
So, the little girl in the picture, does this make her a "Gibson Girl"?
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Post# 43044-8/5/2004-01:40 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: Gibson Girl! I haven't hurt that term in years! Thanks for the memory and the laugh. :-)
I agree. That dryer practically screams "Westinghouse". The fine print at the bottom of the ad says "One of the White Consolidated Industries." I wonder -- did they drop the Westinghouse name? Or was this after the merger (shudder) but before they started using the White Westinghouse name?
Mike
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Post# 43045-8/5/2004-02:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (What to do)
MESSAGE: Well, E- Bay is still better than the old days when this type of business was conducted through Want Ads in newspapers and magazines and there was NO recourse AT ALL if ANYTHING went wrong. No "negative feedback", no cancelled E-Bay memberships, no "escrow" accounts, nothing. You were just out the money.
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Post# 43046-8/5/2004-02:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: What WCI probably did was simply start using the Westinghouse design for Gibson, just like they did for Frigidaire. I bet if we could see inside the washer, it would be the Westinghouse design, too.
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Post# 43047-8/5/2004-07:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for pointing out "One of the White Consolidated Industries" fine print. If I could have been able to see that, that would have answered my own question and I wouldn't have posted the query. "DUUHHHHH"
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Post# 43048-8/5/2004-07:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Super Wash POD
MESSAGE: That looks like a VERY basic model. Timer and one other control knob, I"m guessijng the water level, but could have been temp knob and there waws no water level (like Kenmore 500 models of the day). And that poor lady with those ugly glasses, ugh, I remember those, I thought at the time it made people look like the'd been hit with an ugly stick.
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Post# 43049-8/5/2004-07:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (old appliance descrips misleading)
MESSAGE: I refused to pay on like a $5.00 item and got neg fdbk for it, I didn't care. The seller did not answer several of my emails then I made the big mistake of reading the seller's feedback AFTER the bid closed. Well if I had read it before I NEVER would have bid in the first place. I also spent a small fortune on a pair of Westys that I won on ebay over a year ago and the washer was damaged during shipping. BUT, the interior hose connections were all corroded, the machine was not in nearly as good a shape as described. So I was out a big chunk of money. I guess that is the chance you take on ebay. I have bought several items that were not completely accurately described. If you can pay cash upon pickup that is the best way. That way when you go there and see the item, you still have the cash in your pocket. Better still, go see the item if you can before bidding and ask lots of detailed questions. I sent an email to the guy in NY about the Hotpoints asking several detailed questions. He sent me two pics period. He did not answer one of my questions.
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Post# 43050-8/5/2004-08:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Super Wash POD
MESSAGE: Bob, I'm thinking this machine was probably a '63-'65 TOL model. Like the one @ Johns warehouse in Maryland. It's difficult to see the detail clearly, but there are the vertical rows of buttons adjacent to the timer knob. Also, it seems the "Imperial" designation is on the flourescent lamp cover.
Funny, your remarks about the models. Some were attractive, others very matronly.
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Post# 43051-8/5/2004-08:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Super Wash POD (upon closer inspection)
MESSAGE: The model listed is a LKA9920....shown in smaller type at the bottom of the page. Lady K's sister!
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Post# 43052-8/5/2004-09:20 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (another GM Frig on ebay)
MESSAGE: This is interesting and is fairly close to you, a parts machine. Not sure if you're interested or anyone else in MA... Jon?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3832013781&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43053-8/5/2004-10:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: E-bay buyng horrors again (Multimatic)
MESSAGE: The last model year of the Multimatic!
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Post# 43054-8/5/2004-12:15 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: Actually, I believe that Gibson washer had the Franklin agitator and tub in them. (The Franklin agitator had the wide wings at the top. A larger version of the post-GM Skinni Mini agitator.) The dryer doesn't look Westinghouse to me at all. Westy's never had square little doors like that. I'm not sure of the date of that ad, but the dates of WCI buys of appliance manufacturers goes like this:
Gibson 1967
Kelvinator 1968
Westinghouse 1975
Tappan 1979
Frigidaire 1979
If that ad was before 1975, no parts of those machines could be "Westinghouse," since WCI did not own them yet. Even after WCI had Westinghouse, they continued with the internal Franklin style washer in Gibson and Kelvinator washers, and even placed them inside Frigidaire cabinets for a period of time.
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Post# 43055-8/5/2004-14:31 ||| Kreftgr (Southeast Colorado)
SUBJECT:
1953? Hotpoint Dryer
MESSAGE: Would anyone have a fan #WE16X5005 or a plastic lint filter door hinge #WE1X5072 for a Hotpoint Dryer Mod#LB070 Ser#402018439. The original #'s were 541529 on the fan & 541720 on the hinge. The parts are NLA but the dryer is so nice that I want to keep it going for my customer, a little old lady that lives by herself, of course. Thanks for any help. Glen.
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Post# 43056-8/5/2004-18:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Super Wash POD (upon closer inspection)
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool in John's warehouse was an LMA, which I believe is 1964(-1965). This LKA would be a year or so older.
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Post# 43057-8/5/2004-18:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD
MESSAGE: That must mean the dryer sucks.
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Post# 43058-8/5/2004-19:31 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
THE FAMOUS PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: Greetings Everyone! Finally returned from Ohio and picked up the "famous" Philcos. They were MUCH nicer than described! There was not one scrape, dent or any rust to be found on either machine. Practically no use at all. Just beautiful!!! The seller, Heidi, was a real love. We talked for about an hour and she is now keeping an eye out for other vintage goodies that she might find around her neighborhood. Took the machines to the warehouse and have found a diaphram for the agitator. As soon as I get it and get it installed, I will take some photos. Hopefully I'll get the part this week as Ken wil be visiting me from Detroit. We will get it connected up and get some "in action" photos for you to take a look at. Ya'll take care! Mark
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Post# 43059-8/5/2004-19:53 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see them in action! You must be delighted!
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Post# 43060-8/5/2004-20:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: YAY & congratulations! I wonder how the turnover will be...
--Austin
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Post# 43061-8/5/2004-20:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Old SQ Commercial Dryers
MESSAGE: Were still in operation when laundromat closed. Approx. 20-30 years old since they don't have full windows. 5 machines total. MO. $50 or $10 each!!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73176&item=3832102645&rd=1
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Post# 43062-8/5/2004-20:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Set w/Center-Dial Washer
MESSAGE: Both work and are in excellent condition! CA; $10 (with reserve).
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3832035819&rd=1
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Post# 43063-8/5/2004-20:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Suds-Saver Washer
MESSAGE: 1980's MOL Maytag w/Suds-Save feature. $25. Minneapolis area.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3831914910&rd=1
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Post# 43064-8/5/2004-20:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter
MESSAGE: 1980's Belt-Drive Whirlpool, 4 cycle 2 speed. It appears to be a standard-capacity machine so you could put a Penta-Vane or Roto-Swirl in it in you wanted to. Has a recirculating manual-clean filter. $25 NR. Minneapolis area.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3831910500&rd=1
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Post# 43065-8/5/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Harvest Gold Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: Early 80's, Large Capacity with Mini-Basket capability (not sure if Mini-Basket is included). Works great. $1 NR! Salem area.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3831808140&rd=1
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Post# 43066-8/5/2004-21:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Set w/Center-Dial Washer
MESSAGE: I"ve seen this set for sale b4.
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Post# 43067-8/5/2004-21:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Set w/Center-Dial Washer
MESSAGE: This is the first time I've seen it, however.
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Post# 43068-8/5/2004-21:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Suds-Saver Washer
MESSAGE: Actually Austin, I think that's more of a 1989 or 1990 model. That white/gray agitator didn't raise it's head (from the turqoise) until around 1990 when some friends of mine bought a new Maytag here. Remember seeing htem in Monkey Wards about the same time too, no more turqoise.
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Post# 43069-8/5/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Suds-Saver Washer
MESSAGE: Personally I think Maytag made a stupid mistake switching to the boring-white agitator; the turquoise agitator stood out when the lid was opened; sort of "expressed itself" so to speak. However, out of all the white agitators, I prefer the "finned" version; still used in the TL Maytag stacked sets. Wouldn't it be interesting if they had used
blue impellers in their TT machines instead of black?
At Crosstimbers Appliances (Glenn recommended this place to me; large selection w/many BD Kenmores & old dryers; a Filter-Flo will pop up here every once in a while) I saw a BOL early 80's Maytag (the same design as this one but with white timer knob/buttons), standard capacity with a turquoise agitator. My aunt/uncle (one of many) had a late 80's MOL Maytag set that also had the turquoise agitator as well, and had a Jetclean DW from about the same time to match. I wouldn't be surprised if they still had the set, but they sold their house 4-5 years ago and the DW went with it.
--Austin
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Post# 43070-8/6/2004-02:03 ||| Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Slant Front West Dryer in Melbourne AU
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Have a look at what I've found on Ebay in AU, I'm contemplating whether I can afford the purchase price (Which seems high) and then the cost of getting it the 1500km to brisbane :)
Nathan
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=3831451626&rd=1
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Post# 43071-8/6/2004-06:17 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter
MESSAGE: It would be nice to have one around just to hear the comforting "Whoooo Whooo" sounds and the funky shift into spin.
:-)
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Post# 43072-8/6/2004-07:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (Brings back memories)
MESSAGE: After my mom got rid of the Kenmore 800, she got one of the those. At least she stuck to a BD whirlpool. Now she has a 1991 Maytag washer.
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Post# 43073-8/6/2004-07:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Harvest Gold Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: I've yet to see a vintage washer auction in New Orleans.
A Kenmore 800 maybe?
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Post# 43074-8/6/2004-10:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (Brings back memories)
MESSAGE: And I'm assuming that it has the boring white agitator instead of turquoise, with the "orbital" tranny?
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Post# 43075-8/6/2004-11:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Slant Front West Dryer in Melbourne AU
MESSAGE: Wow! I've seen many Westy Slant-Front Dryers on eBay, still working as well. However this one doesn't say "Westinghouse" on the front? What is the brand?
--Austin
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Post# 43076-8/6/2004-15:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (91 Maytag)
MESSAGE: And here's the kicker....
Orbital Tranny (fast agitation) and the turquoise agitator.
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Post# 43077-8/6/2004-15:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (91 Maytag)
MESSAGE: Wow, I bet that would be fun! The turnover should be good but sometimes these agitators tend to "eat" clothes and are VERY rough.
--Austin
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Post# 43078-8/6/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
A note about buying machines from eBay
MESSAGE: This is just some advice I'm passing along to all of us. Anytime a machine is bought off of eBay, the condition is unknown, because, even though there might be a picture included, it is
sight unseen and you don't know the overall condition until it's in your shop and you can dismantle it. I've had 3 washers so far that I have not been able to repair and couldn't save, all purchased from eBay. One couldn't even be dismantled.
The '47 Bendix Deluxe was a much different story and I've been lucky on more than 1 occasion, however, anytime you're bidding on a complex machine such as a washer, beware, unless it came from a private collection (such as Robert's). While it may still be in perfect working condition, it may have problems the seller doesn't know exist and might suddenly stop working in the presence of a new owner. If it's a common machine, such as a BD Whirlpool or Kenmore, you might find a
reconditioned model in a used-appliance store, free of problems and ready for use. Some eBay machines may even be reconditioned, some (such as a gravity-drain or tabletop Monitor) are simple enough to work on easily without a repair manual, and if you buy a machine and already have a repair manual work will also be easy. However if you're going to work on a machine blindly, eBay is not for you. Consider a reconditioned/mint condition machine to "study" before you work on one, and check out some local finds. At least you will know the condition of the machine
before you purchase it.
But if a machine you REALLY want is on eBay and is sold "as is",
caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.
--Austin
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Post# 43079-8/6/2004-16:35 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A note about buying machines from eBay
MESSAGE: Always a good practice to know what you are buying But check out this link.
LINK: http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=158&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
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Post# 43080-8/6/2004-17:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (91 Maytag)
MESSAGE: It rolls clothes nicely. One day, I'll go videotape a cycle and post some clips.
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Post# 43081-8/6/2004-17:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool w/Recirculating Filter (91 Maytag)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it my aunt/uncle's Maytag set had a turquoise agitator with the Orbital tranny, although I never did see it in action because of that lidswitch!
Maytags turn over well to begin with (with the slower stroke) so I can imagine how this one would perform!
--Austin
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Post# 43082-8/6/2004-17:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Harvest Gold Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: I've seen some fab 60's Kenmore dryers, OLD belt-drives from the early 70's (not the common center-dial Kenmores), vintage portable machines, & found that Skinni-Mini where I live, so it wouldn't really be
impossible finding a Kenmore 800 in New Orleans.
The fact that Texas & Louisiana homes have the laundry in the garage lessens the chance of finding one, however...
--Austin
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Post# 43083-8/6/2004-17:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: A note about buying machines from eBay
MESSAGE: I sold a 61 Frigidaire refrigerator on EBay last year,and the buyer was able to see it plugged in and operating. However,it was still sold AS IS,because you don't know what can happen after it leaves. It might get bounced down the stairs to the basement,or laid on it's side,or just decide to give up,because it's 40+ years old.The same things can happen on the buying end. It works at the sellers house,you get it home,and the transmission locks up,or the motor gives it up.
Austin's advice about finding appliances locally is sound.They're still out there,you just have to do a little digging.
kennyGF
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Post# 43084-8/6/2004-18:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: I noticed the dryer's nameplate didn't have a ZIP code, but the washer's did. Instead of the Chicago ZIP code it said "Chicago 44 Ill." I wonder if the dryer's older than the washer?? It does look older from the outside compared to the washer...
I also requested a picture of the washer interior that I'll post if I receive it.
--Austin
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Post# 43085-8/6/2004-19:38 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Clean 2005
MESSAGE: Anyone have info on this? I got some in the sandbox but I like more if possible. Anyone know for where it is going to be? Or when? Info is appreciated!
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Post# 43086-8/6/2004-19:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Clean 2005
MESSAGE: Here it is...the Cleanshow 2005! I would like to go as well but I think it's limited to laundromat/dry cleaner owners...would still be fun though, and a chance to travel out-of-state!
--Austin
LINK: http://www.cleanshow.com/
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Post# 43087-8/6/2004-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Before the ZIP Code came along in 1963, addresses had a city, zone, and state on the third line. The zone was a two-digit number. That could very well be Chicago, 44, Illinois.
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Post# 43088-8/6/2004-19:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Look at the picture of the dryer nameplate. There is clearly no visible ZIP code.
--Austin
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Post# 43089-8/6/2004-19:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: And wouldn't that be neat!! A rare 1972 solid-tub washer and a pre-1963 dryer; way cool! When I first looked at this auction I knew this wasn't a matched set, even though they were both Hotpoints. The dryer's paint is more faded and the control panel is a bit different. Also, the washer's control panel doesn't say "Silhouette"; the dryer does.
--Austin
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Post# 43090-8/6/2004-21:30 ||| Levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
1948 Bendix washer..restoration
MESSAGE: Hello!
I am a director with the levittown Historical Society ( see our website) and have a 1948 bendix at home, from a Cape cod home wass till bolted to the floor until I rescued it.
the woman painted around the edges and the front window with a light yellow. I was wondering if it could be removed easily. Otherwise the machine is in good shape..will have pictures of it soon!
LINK: http://www.levittownhistoricalsociety.org
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Post# 43091-8/6/2004-23:00 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Dishwasher in PA
MESSAGE: Well, the time has finally come: My mother wants to get
rid of the mid-'70s Magic Chef portable dishwasher I
grew up with. We were all set to give it to my cousin's
wife (she of the V16 FilterFlo), but her mother-in-law,
who fears electricity and anything that heats up,
convinced her that this was not a good idea. I tried to
give it to the local used appliance shop, but the woman
on the phone said they would throw it away and charge us
a "disposal fee" (charming woman!). Last time I used the
machine, about 3 weeks ago, it worked just fine, so I
don't want to see it thrown out. If any collector is in
the market for a harvest gold dishwasher and doesn't
mind driving into the wilds of northeast Pennsylvania,
please drop me a line.
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Post# 43092-8/6/2004-23:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher in PA
MESSAGE: Maybe you should keep it.
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Post# 43093-8/6/2004-23:41 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher in PA
MESSAGE: Trust me, I would if I could. But I live on college
rental properties nine months out of the year, and the
kitchens are very small. Besides, I have no way to
transport it. I keep telling my mom she should keep it
(and use it as something besides a bread box), but she
has always been rather anti-dishwasher and says she
has no use for it.
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Post# 43094-8/7/2004-03:00 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1948 Bendix washer..restoration
MESSAGE: If the paint is latex base I have successfully romoved it from factory finished appliances with a solvent called Xylene or Xylol (Its the same thing only one is the brand and the other is the solvent name). I am assuming that you do not want to remove the factory finish, only the part painted on after.I don't know if the factory finishes were as good as later appliances so you may want to test it in an inconspicuous place before going ahead with it. Xylol may also remove other kinds of paint but I don't know for sure. All you can do is try it. By the way no paint removal job is going to be easy.
Greg
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Post# 43095-8/7/2004-07:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: You forgot Philco
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Post# 43096-8/7/2004-07:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (older dryer)
MESSAGE: Probably so, 1963 and up would be Chicago 60644
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Post# 43097-8/7/2004-08:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher in PA (Mother & Mother-in-law)
MESSAGE: So does your Mom want a newer portable? Switch to a built-in?
As for your Mother-in-law if she has a fear of electricity adn heat, how does she deal with teh cousin's clothes dryer?? Or a toaster? Or a microwave oven? Sounds like strange woman.
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Post# 43098-8/7/2004-12:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gibson POD (produced by???)
MESSAGE: oh yeah....Philco was purchased from Ford by WCI in 1977.
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Post# 43099-8/7/2004-12:53 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
any other bendix fans here?
MESSAGE: Hi
would like contact with other bendix collectors.
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Post# 43100-8/7/2004-13:38 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Jetcone's 1-18 washer
MESSAGE: I was wondering if we could have some more pictures of this beauty. It has got to be one of the prettiest 1-18's out there!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=05@East%20Side%20Laundry%20All%20are%20hooked%20up%20and%20Running@JETCONE.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/JETCONE
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Post# 43101-8/7/2004-13:42 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Speaking of 1-18's
MESSAGE: Doesn't somebody have the control panel to the Mother Of 1-18's? I would love to have some close-up pics of that!
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Post# 43102-8/7/2004-14:26 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Jetcone's 1-18 washer
MESSAGE: Thank you so much for sharing the wonderful pictures! I remember those '49 Frigidaires well--they were very popular around Atlanta when I was little. My oldest friends mother had a dryer like the '57 Westy. That thing lasted well into the '80's and I never remember them complaining about having to have it repaired.
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Post# 43103-8/7/2004-19:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Slight Appville Problem
MESSAGE: When I'm in the main window of Applianceville, the "Previous" button doesn't seem to work when I try to view the other messages. At first I thought it was my DSL (links tend to "freeze" when the phone is in use), but all of the other buttons work fine. Anybody have any thoughts on what could be causing this?
--Austin
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Post# 43104-8/7/2004-19:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's
MESSAGE: Try this one that Greg (gansky1) had. I was looking for some Agitub info in the archives and Robert had scanned in some pictures from Frigidaire's 1977 line (which included the Agitub of course). I thought the "Holy Grail of 1-18s" was in there was well.
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/threeringagitator/detail?.dir=/8100&.dnm=0237.jpg
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Post# 43105-8/7/2004-19:35 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
SQ Frigimore's?
MESSAGE: My daily lesson. Check out these listings on e-bay #3831804299, 3831780422. Who knew? Also check the price on this #3832011047! I wonder if it is even worth that much? Might be fun to play with though, if the lid switch and lock can be tripped------.
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Post# 43106-8/7/2004-19:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's
MESSAGE: I bought a new '79 1-18 (Poppy color) years ago when living in Tampa. It had lots of bells and whistles but nothing like the one in the picture! Wow! That is almost funny to see all those switches. Like the cockpit of an aircraft! Thanks for sharing.-Steve
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Post# 43107-8/7/2004-21:07 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos)
MESSAGE: Mark,Congratulations on your find!I was really surprised at the price that you were willing to pay for those machines.I do not know that I would have paid such a high price,But who knows.Anyway I hope that you get them in tip top shape and have years of enjoyment out of them.You will love the dryer I have the same one,I really like the reverse action.And also I have the 1966 High Speed Duomatic.The same control panel as your machines.They both work great! Robert said he would post the picture of my Duomatic.Take Care & Good Luck,John
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Post# 43108-8/7/2004-21:11 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: I,Have Many Bendix and Duomatics,And service information.John
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Post# 43109-8/7/2004-22:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: SQ Frigimore's?
MESSAGE: Very interesting, but raise the water level to 6" first and throw in 1 cup of Tide, then you can convince me to buy one ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 43110-8/7/2004-22:22 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
1978 Lady K solution
MESSAGE: Today I diagnosed the spinning/draining problem I had with my LK. Turns out the rivet in the spin plunger was completely broken out, leaving the machine stuck in spin. This wouldn't be so annoying if this wasn't a REPLACEMENT plunger that was was installed when the original was bent when the 2nd gearcase went bad. So now I'm starting to replace the SAME parts for the SECOND time. Of course, Sears didn't have the part in stock (would you believe $15.79 for the plunger) and it was to late to go to the local appliance parts store, so no washer for a few days. (sigh) what will it be next!? Seemsm like it's never-ending. But, I will persevere
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Post# 43111-8/7/2004-22:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution
MESSAGE: You still have your Kenmore portable machine right?? It's not as big as the LK by any means, but it should do the job for a while.
--Austin
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Post# 43112-8/7/2004-22:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's
MESSAGE: To bring the subject of machine weight up, a '68 Rollermatic Rapidry machine weighed in at 283 pounds. The 1-18 weighed over 200; not sure of the exact weight. Considering the fact that a new full-size Hotpoint machine weighs 142 pounds Frigidaire sure made their machines well...
--Austin
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Post# 43113-8/7/2004-22:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution
MESSAGE: I know you've brought this up already, but for the newbies here, what's the repair history of your Kenmore?
--Austin
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Post# 43114-8/7/2004-22:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: My favorite POD has popped up again.
If I acquire any vintage washer, let it be a 1970 Kenmore 800 just like in the POD.
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Post# 43115-8/7/2004-23:29 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (KM portable)
MESSAGE: Yep, I have it, but it needs work, too. Motor won't start, leaks, needs pump. But I'm going to get onit pretty quick, now that I'm employed again and can afford to del with these things
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Post# 43116-8/7/2004-23:32 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (1970 Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: What, only an 800, not a Lady K?! :-)
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Post# 43117-8/8/2004-00:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (1970 Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Oh NOOOO. This 800 has special place in Jason's heart, as well as mine. This particular model had everything a LK had except the extra slow speed and maybe some sound insulation. And you had total flexibioity of chosing all options. I was tired of pushbutton set cycles from the Norge 15 and I wanted BACK control of my washing process. Altho, if the truth be told, 99% of how I washed was patterned after LK from 1963 thru 1967.
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Post# 43118-8/8/2004-02:19 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,....there must be someone out there who has one of these washers you could get a hold of.I have read the archives from the beginning of this forum and i can not believe someone in applianceville has not hooked you up yet?
Are these particular models rare?I hope you get your dream machine soon,...because we all know how well a belt drive km/wp stands the test of time ;-)
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Post# 43119-8/8/2004-02:43 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (1970 Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Hello Appnut, my friend's mom had this same machine.That was such a cool machine.
20 years ago was the last time i remember hearing the sounds of a belt drive in action.
Of all the machines i have experienced over the years,to me,the km/wp family were in a class by themselves.
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Post# 43120-8/8/2004-03:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
German picture of the day is back
MESSAGE: There were some problems on Das Waschmaschine Forum, but everything is up again. Today there is a picture of a 1984 Asko ad. At that time Asko was still named Asea Cylinda. As a matter of fact Asko products in Sweden are still named Cylinda overthere. (www.cylinda.se). Ofcourse in those days control panels were brown!
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-8-8.html
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Post# 43121-8/8/2004-03:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: I have a pair of 72's that are electronic control models just a step below the Lady K. The control panel has is similar in shape to the POD. I just looked up on Mapquest and I don't think it would be worth the 1300 plus mile drive though..
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Post# 43122-8/8/2004-07:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
photos posted
MESSAGE: I still have yet to post some photos of recent finds, but my current album in "appville" is now full. Please check it out if you like as I will be deleting some pics to make room for others. Thanks :) --gregm
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GREGM/
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Post# 43123-8/8/2004-09:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (electronic controls)
MESSAGE: I thought electronic controls didn't come out until 1978?
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Post# 43124-8/8/2004-09:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (electronic controls)
MESSAGE: I think he meant pushbutton controls.
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Post# 43125-8/8/2004-09:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: German picture of the day is back
MESSAGE: The Asko is my favorite among the European models, since you can regulate the water level, the front door assembly sways during wash like a commercial soft-mount, and it has a high-speed 1000 RPM (or more) spin.
I read CR articles from the early 90's and they tested Asko machines (alongside the White-Westy FLs), though I have yet to find an early 90's model. Asko's claim-to-fame is a long life, so many of these machines could still be in use.
--Austin
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Post# 43126-8/8/2004-09:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: HE detergent in a Belt-Drive Whirlpool?? I thought the fun part was watching the suds! ;-)
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Post# 43127-8/8/2004-09:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (KM portable)
MESSAGE: I have a Sears Kenmore BD repair manual that also covers their portable machines. Let me know if you need anything scanned in.
--Austin
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Post# 43128-8/8/2004-10:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: Greg, so nice to be able to review yoour collection. I do have a suggestion, how about keeping this album and creating a new profile so you have a totally new album space available. :-)
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Post# 43129-8/8/2004-11:02 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I am leaving for another vacation and I will be back around 1:00pm on Saturday. I don't thinkI will have internet connection but, I will takes pics of the washer if it's a good one!
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Post# 43130-8/8/2004-11:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting the pictures, it's so good to see other people's collections here. You have some nice machines!
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Post# 43131-8/8/2004-11:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: German picture of the day is back
MESSAGE: Asko might have a name of making sturdy washers and dryers but I'm afraid they didn't last as long as was expected. They used some high quality materials, but they had their weaknesses. They simply can't be compared to Miele or AEG.
Asko's had indeed a high water level switch on the earlier models. They needed it too, because they didn't spin between all the rinses. The TOL models had a 1300 rpm spin at the end of the spin cycle, but it was only for a very short burst. Besides that the earlier models were pretty noisy as well.
I'm not too positive about these machines because they turned out to be rather disappointing. If only they had paid more attention to the quality it would have been a nice machine to buy now.
Louis
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Post# 43132-8/8/2004-11:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted (photos posted )
MESSAGE: Greg
These are some real great machines
Best of Luck with them
Peter
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Post# 43133-8/8/2004-11:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: German picture of the day is back
MESSAGE: As solid as they were built, I will admit that Askos did have some drawbacks. The "commercial soft-mount" design had some weaknesses according to CR. There was about a 1/2" gap between the door assembly & outer cabinet that, if you put your fingers in it during operation, could give you a nasty pinch and sometimes not let go! Askos have never been large on capacity either (rated "poor" on capacity), and I can imagine the amount of buyers who have turned down Asko offers because of that. I'd like to find one of the early 90's machines with the beige cabinet & brown controls.
European-style FL's are popular with the upper class here who want to sink $3000 or more into a compact W/D set, but top-loaders still reign supreme with many Americans.
--Austin
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Post# 43134-8/8/2004-11:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: Please do not do that. If you need more space, ask me and I can arrange it, its already a nightmare trying to keep the profiles in order.
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Post# 43135-8/8/2004-11:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I was in Port Aransas last week and at the hotel I used some really crappy "plastic" commercial GE's. The tub shook violently during agitation (due to a weak tub brake; these don't last very long...) and the turnover was horrible even with the Dual-Action agitator. I think when they designed these machines their intentions were set at the right place, but it sure doesn't beat the DD Kenmore in washing ability and reliability. We checked into a newer beach house later in the week and it had a BOL Frigidaire (Electrolux) TL set with a straight-vane agitator. The water levels were too low for the size of the load (had to add more water to the "large" setting), and the indexing wash action really hindered the turnover. I held the tub in place and the clothes moved fine. However it did suds well!
I didn't get pictures of the GE's but I did take a few of the Frigilux in action that I'll post.
--Austin
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Post# 43136-8/8/2004-11:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: Trying to cheat the system, eh??? ;-)
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Post# 43137-8/8/2004-12:41 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: John,
I think that it is so cool that you have the 1966 high-speed Duomatic! What is the history of it? Did it need lot's of work? I am sure that it is such a gem!
Can't wait to see the pictures of it.
Brent
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Post# 43138-8/8/2004-12:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Photo Viewer Problem
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I was about to do some "routine maintainence" with my photo album (delete, upload new photos, etc.) when the page changed and said, "To use the Photo Upload Tool, Please
LOG into Applianceville." The
LOG button was a link. I clicked on the link and it showed a 404 Error (page not found). I logged-in numerous times and it still displayed this page every time I tried to change my album. Do you have any ideas as to what might be causing this?
--Austin
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Post# 43139-8/8/2004-13:05 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: I need some education. I often see people talking about a 1-18. What is a 1-18 ?
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Post# 43140-8/8/2004-13:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RARE Hoover Innovation!!!
MESSAGE: This RARE vacuum was made in 1988 in Great Britain and it's the first one I've seen on eBay. Has a 2-belt system consisting of a flat belt and a V-belt; WindTunnel belts will work as replacements. Very powerful suction and a Quadraflex agitator. Don't miss out on this one guys!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4316803924
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Post# 43141-8/8/2004-13:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: The 1-18 was an automatic washer made by GM Frigidaire from 1970-1979. It used the Jet-Cone agitator (moved up & down at 360 times per minute) and was the first Frigidaire to have a perforated tub and a recirculating filter.
--Austin
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Post# 43142-8/8/2004-13:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: The 1-18 refers to the machine's easy ability to wash 1 garmet, all the way up to an 18 lb. load.
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Post# 43143-8/8/2004-13:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: Austin,
The 1/18 was made from 1970 to 1980. Please lets not short change it - To me it was the best washer ever made.
Peter
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Post# 43144-8/8/2004-16:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: They did an excellent job of washing.But.....
They sure were a pain in the rear when something punctured the bellows,water leaked and ruined the transmission bearings,and you needed to cut the tub support with a torch to remove it.And we would usually have 2-3 at a time in the shop for the same problem.
Ahhhh,the memories.......
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Post# 43145-8/8/2004-16:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: If only they made them better and kept making them. I could just imagine what they would be like if they were still being made today!
Peter
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Post# 43146-8/8/2004-16:57 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoints to go
MESSAGE: Well, I just got an email on the Hotpoint set and it appears that they're coming to New Orleans. Our next wash-in will have the new Speed Queen from Robert and now the Hotpoints, too. Jason, Art & Bob, are you ready to wash??? Todd
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Post# 43147-8/8/2004-17:08 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: Brent, I got the 66 Duomatic from south dakota on the farm.This is one machine that I did not have to paint.All it needed was a clean up ,bearings,tranny& motor work,new shocks,hoses,and etc.It pretty much works like new.It is a vented machine and dries very quickly.It looks so cool when it is lit up.Take care,John
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Post# 43148-8/8/2004-17:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ? Jammed Support)
MESSAGE: You said a mouthful Goat! I had one support that was so seized I had the entire machine hanging from the support a foot above the floor banging it with a hammer and torch for literally 2 weeks once! It finally broke free and the machine fell down in the second week. ANd the really weird thing was you could not see any corrsion on the shaft or the support but it was there.
jet
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Post# 43149-8/8/2004-17:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: I thought 1979 was the last year; I had no idea they were still making them in 1980 when WCI took over. I stated 1979 because in 1980 wasn't WCI/Frigidaire already making the "1-18 clones" with the Westinghouse mechanicals?
I agree with you on the "best washer ever made" part; 1-18s look very solid and nearly every App-ville member has a positive comment about them.
--Austin
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Post# 43150-8/8/2004-17:50 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Nice Wash In!
MESSAGE: Greg, thank you for a very nice weekend at your house! It was so cool to see your collection! It is a wonderful and very tastefully displayed group of unique machines! I only wish I could finish my basement off but the bi-annual flooding is too big a problem here in Boston.
I hope your friend Mike gets his toastolator!
Terry it was so great to spend some time with you its been too long between visits.
Scott your butterscotch bars were sinful and we all kept sneaking them. Robert and I had to use vaseline to wedge ourselves back into Minnesota!
Robert as always I love spending days with you!
If the club hasn't looked in on Greg's (Omaha) collection get your self on over there now and see his cool machines especially the Westinghouse Auto-Call!!
jon
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Post# 43151-8/8/2004-17:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go
MESSAGE: Be sure to post pics too!
--Austin
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Post# 43152-8/8/2004-18:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (Agitub)
MESSAGE: Peter (peterh770) posted a theory some time ago (found it in the Archives) and he stated that if GM still owned Frigidaire today, they would still abandon the vertical-action machines, and instead design a larger, different Agitub mechanism to use in the 1-18s. It was VERY simple, reliable, and surprisingly, had good turnover, of course not as good as the vertical-action machines.
I don't remember what else he said but I'm going to add that the Agitubs would have had different designs between the BOL and TOL machines; just my insight on this.
--Austin
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Post# 43153-8/8/2004-18:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In!
MESSAGE: Yes; love the Westinghouse Auto-Call
and the Laundromat!!!
--Austin
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Post# 43154-8/8/2004-18:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: This might just give me an excuse to go to California...;-) Even though they aren't in the best shape they're newer (90's) and work GREAT, with no reversing tumble!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3832669797&rd=1
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Post# 43155-8/8/2004-18:25 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
HE detergent in top loader
MESSAGE: This question may not be for Applianceville. Forgive me if it is not.....When using HE detergent in a traditional TL, how much do you use???
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Post# 43156-8/8/2004-18:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (YAY!!!)
MESSAGE: We got the Hotpoints!
Now let's shoot for a Kelvinator!
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Post# 43157-8/8/2004-19:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (YAY!!!)
MESSAGE: The only Kelvys I've seen were WCI machines, however there was a 1949 ABC-O-Matic last year, in mint, unused condition with the original documentation, hoses & cardboard tub inserts!
--Austin
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Post# 43158-8/8/2004-20:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: The dryer appears to be older, and didn't someone say not to put gas pressure on it, as it was the Pinto of dryers?
--Austin
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Post# 43159-8/8/2004-20:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (service manuals)
MESSAGE: Thanks, but I've had the (now dog-eared)washer service manual for years now. Have the one for the dryer (pretty good shape) and dishwasher (slightly dog-eared) too. Gee, I wonder which appliances have given me the most trouble? :-)
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Post# 43160-8/8/2004-20:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: German picture of the day is back (Asko reliability)
MESSAGE: Their dishwasher frequency of repair record in CR didn't look so good, either.
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Post# 43161-8/8/2004-20:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: I had seen similar "Westy" stackable machines (look just like the ones pictured in your link)in many townhomes in the DC area-esp Northern Va.These were popular there-and many still in use.
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Post# 43162-8/8/2004-20:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HE detergent in top loader
MESSAGE: I use two scoops, instead of one or half one
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Post# 43163-8/8/2004-20:29 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: not to worry Robert, I don't want or need to do that, I still have my yahoo album and I consider myself fortunate to be able to display my pictures in this forum as a result of your hard work, not unnoticed .............
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Post# 43164-8/8/2004-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: RARE Hoover Innovation!!!
MESSAGE: Looks like a good one to keep an eye out for-were these made in Britian only? Its strange-but don't get many Hoover trade ins here.If I do-they are so dusty-dirty and beat-up they are not worth bothering with.Donate those to charity-even if they will take them.Usually they are the bagless Windtunnels.-UUgh!The Innovation model looks more special-a traditional soft bag upright-From the picture-it appears it might have a Power Driver transmission.The two belt system is used in Panasonics as well.
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Post# 43165-8/8/2004-20:35 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: After putting some warm, mildly soapy water in the pump/drain to "lube it up" so to speak, I tried out the '53 unimatic and a motor hum, period in both agitation and spin. During spin I tried grabbing the tub and turning and it did kick in and build up to top speed, took a bit extra time, then noticed smoke coming out back of cabinet, so I immediately shut off and pulled the plug. Just in the mere minute and a half that the machine was on the plug actually partially melted and was obviously very hot. Once again, as I had this similar problem before with the '65 rollermatic, I assume its the capacitor ??? which appears to be mounted on the motor ??? However, on either spin or agitate cycle selection I did NOT hear or notice a change in the solenoid position which currently appears "up" ........... I will have to watch my other machine to see if the solenoid is "up" during spin and "down" during agitation or vice-versa .......... thanks for you help/feedback in advance. --gregm
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Post# 43166-8/8/2004-20:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: I've been down on my luck finding a Westy washer (older top-load or front-load) here lately, but I'll find one eventually. They seem to be common in California and up north--I saw a Harvest Gold SpaceMates set in NY and a pink SpaceMates set as well as white in Connecticut. I also saw a WCI-Frigidaire and Tappan set from the early-80's. I'd drag everyone to California for this set but it's not in good enough condition to do THAT, in my opinion, and the seller won't ship.
Needless to say I was quite surprised when I found a Skinni-Mini where I live (still getting the verdict on whether it still works without leaks), so one of these days I'll find a Westy washer but not soon. The dryers seem to be common but I'm much more interested in the washers. If I saw a Westy machine, (Westy or older White-Westy) top-load or front-load, in ANY store I'd buy it right there!
--Austin
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Post# 43167-8/8/2004-20:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted (thanks for comments)
MESSAGE: thank you to those who commented on my collection. I appreciate it ......... :)
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Post# 43168-8/8/2004-20:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: You mean that GE actually tries to use the "plastic" design for commercial use?is it a coin op machine?Stick around-but keep your distance-its plastic transmission may explode showering you with plastic gears and parts of the plastic(or is it pot metal) transmission case.Then after the xmission explodes it breaks the plastic tub causing the water to flood the floor.What fun!!Oh-BTW the "plastic"GE discarded out here-was so bad NO ONE would take it.Its in the woods near its owners home with weeds growing around it-back to nature.How ironic-its near their clothesline.
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Post# 43169-8/8/2004-20:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: This particular machine was a coin-op. I used a newer coin-op machine in San Marcos in 2001; the tub didn't shake near as badly and turned over the load well. This one...not pretty. I almost thought the tub & agitator were going to wrench off of the transmission! As for the turnover, forget it. You'll get more turnover in an
indexing-tub machine than this.
My grandmother has a "plastic" Hotpoint with the "Flex-Care" agitator (small-vaned agitator; I have yet to see this in action) she bought when her Westy TL quit in 1995 (the Westy dryer works fine). I'm surprised it still works today!
--Austin
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Post# 43170-8/8/2004-20:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: Is the cap case on the motor VERY hot?If the motor cannot overcome the load-Ie seized pump or transmission-it could make the motor stay in the "start" position for too long.It could fry the start winding or the start cap.The line breaker or fuse may not trip in time to save it.Before you apply power to the machine-is there any way you could try to turn the pump or tranny over by hand to make sure they are not seized before using the motor?
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Post# 43171-8/8/2004-20:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: The first thing you should do is change the cord! I only plugged my Bendix in once with the Belden cord/plug for fear of damaging the wiring.
--Austin
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Post# 43172-8/8/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: Also, if anybody has a Westy FL washer they want to sell let me know at
westytoploader@yahoo.com
--Austin
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Post# 43173-8/8/2004-21:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I looked into the Plasitc GE a freind had before it exploded and bought the farm and flooded their laundry room floor.Its turnover was worse than the DD knemore I had that to had the dual action agitator.All that frantic agitation and no turnover-go figure.But both of those will sure roto-till your clothes!Guess they would work for "tenderizing" new jeans.
A GE washer and dryer came with my house here when I bought it-still use the dryer -the GE washer had a Roto-Swirl style agitator and used the outer rim of the tub as a lint filter.It had VIOLENT turnover!.Probably should have kept it.Traded it in toward a more vintage Kn machine.
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Post# 43174-8/8/2004-21:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: Sounds like the plug and cord burned from the fault in his machine.Would be a good idea though.-Espcially now after frying the present cord.Sounds like its motor was in the start mode too long-drawing so much current it fried the plug and cord.
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Post# 43175-8/8/2004-21:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: That must have been a post Filter-Flo machine--right before GE switched to "plastic", unless it was a Hotpoint. The only old-style GE that I know of that used the tub ring as a lint filter was a 1994 model with the "handwash" agitator system.
--Austin
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Post# 43176-8/8/2004-21:28 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
I do have a late 80's Gibson f/l washer before reverse tumble & motor control board. It has the 3 belt pulley system. If only we lived closer together. I do use it every so often; I love the way it rolls the clothes through the water!
John
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Post# 43177-8/8/2004-21:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: All old-style GE's, even with the large straight-vane agitator of the 70's, turned over EXCELLENT and really made some waves. Look at the no-filter wash video of Robert's '58 GE--the clothes are "kicked" around toward the agitator and rolled slowly. The turnover is continuous and slow; important since the clothes remain on the bottom longer for effective cleaning as well as move around.
I watched a test video an eBay seller made of an 80's Filter-Flo with a spiral ramp agitator. Even though it was on the Gentle speed, talk about currents...
--Austin
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Post# 43178-8/8/2004-21:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go
MESSAGE: I'll start saving laundry in time for it to be shipped via Greyhound in a trunk. LOL.
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Post# 43179-8/8/2004-21:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: WOW John you were very fortunate. Those "farm" machines aer usually in very bad shape, but restoreable.
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Post# 43180-8/8/2004-21:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: Austin, many condos in Alief & on Behring, off of Westheimer, had spacemates put in when the condos were built in the 80s.
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Post# 43181-8/8/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: This one was a non Filter-Flo model.Looked pretty recent-but not brand new-like a late 80's-into 90's type machine-but definatly before the "plastic" design.It ad Perm Press,Normal and gentle cycles.You couldn't chose rinse temp-was always cold.You could chose water level.It didn't have a "hand-wash" agitator.Had the GE-Hotpoint Ramp type that looked like a KN roto Swirl.I used machines like it at one apartment building-some were marked GE others were marked Hotpoint-and they looked the same.Those machines had the spiral ramp agitator.Sort of a "knock-off" of the KN Roto-Swirl.
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Post# 43182-8/8/2004-22:18 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos posted
MESSAGE: Greg,
Great pictures, thanks for sharing!
Rich
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Post# 43183-8/8/2004-22:23 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (Hp's to go Yay)
MESSAGE: Todd, Jason, Bob please count me in. Arthur.
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Post# 43184-8/8/2004-23:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info Bob!
I'll check the listings to see if there are any used-appliance dealers in the area; they could have taken in all of those tired old Westys and made them run again. If I luck into a few dealers that have Westys, I'll let everyone know what they are in case you, Glenn, or anyone else would like a set.
Were Westinghouse machines distributed in "Monkey Wards", Sears, or other dept. stores during the 80's & 90's?
--Austin
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Post# 43185-8/8/2004-23:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, GE used all cold rinses in all but the TOL Filter-Flos of the 80's. I wonder, could this have been a BOL model without the filtering system?
Did this use the chrome pushbuttons for speed/temperature or knobs?
--Austin
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Post# 43186-8/9/2004-00:02 ||| kreftgr (Southeast Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution
MESSAGE: If you have replaced this plunger before make sure that the rod that the cam bar slides through that raises and lowers for the brake and clutch is sliding freely through the guide in the transmission. You may need to take it out and clean it up. If you have had any leaks or the pump has gone bad and sprayed water on the shaft, it may be rough or corroded and over working the plunger. Glen.
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Post# 43187-8/9/2004-00:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: See Ya Soon Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I think the controls were knobs-no buttons.
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Post# 43188-8/9/2004-01:22 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution
MESSAGE: And also I have had glide bars wear where it steps but this usually causes the plunger to just bypass the step an not move the bar.Also if the wig wag plunger hole becomes elongated that could also cause problems but I think this was on the list of parts you have replaced so this is not as likely.
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Post# 43189-8/9/2004-01:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kenmore 800 (electronic controls)
MESSAGE: You are probably right. I think the dryer has electronic dry control and that is where I mistakenly referred to them as electronic models. The washer has a timer. If anyone is interested I will get more details when I go to my warehouse were the machines are.
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Post# 43190-8/9/2004-01:43 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT:
RE: RARE Hoover Innovation!!! (total junk )
MESSAGE: i sold these vacuums when i worked at montgomery wards in the late 80 s , the entire handle is made of cheap hollow plastic that will snap in half, almost everyone that was sold was returned with a broken handle and other problems as well, complaints were so numorous that hoover dumped this model after 1 year and offered anyone that complained a customer care certificate for money off the purchase of another hoover model. just thought id warn anybody in case they were intrested..see ya dave
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Post# 43191-8/9/2004-06:04 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: I didn't touch the cap case, It smelled "electricity" and there was blue smoke coming from that area. Another friend of mine did mention that the "start windings" are "staying" engaged, however, there was no "torque" to start either agitation or spin. I started spin myself by turning the tub. I have a weird gut feeling that I may have fried something.
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Post# 43192-8/9/2004-06:05 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: ok, but if in the "start mode" drawing the extra current right ?? ............ wouldn't that "extra current" get the tub to spin "on its own" without my help ??
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Post# 43193-8/9/2004-06:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speaking of 1-18's (What is a 1-18 ?)
MESSAGE: No it was actually the end of 1980 when general motors closed shop. wci boiught frigidaire in 79 but spent awhile negoating with gm and needed time to make the garbage they have used
so the beginning of 81 was the official start of wci frigidaire
Peter
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Post# 43194-8/9/2004-08:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (Hp's to go Yay)
MESSAGE: Art, of course you're counted in. I'm "crashing" the party.
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Post# 43195-8/9/2004-08:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: Yes, Monkey Wards had them in the 1980s.
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Post# 43196-8/9/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: And here it is...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GYROMATIC
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Post# 43197-8/9/2004-08:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photo Viewer Problem
MESSAGE: I'll have to check it out when I get a chance, for now just log in via the Applianceville log in button first, then go into the Photo Viewer.
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Post# 43198-8/9/2004-08:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go
MESSAGE: Congrats Todd, that Hotpoint is a wonderful find, they are extremely rare to say the least. Can't wait to see pictures and videos.
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Post# 43199-8/9/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In!
MESSAGE: YAY, glad you made it home safe and sound Jon, it was a wonderful week!
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Post# 43200-8/9/2004-08:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: It sure does sound like a capacitor problem, could be a motor problem too but I would start with the capacitor. Since you got the machine to spin, did you get it to agitate by turning the tub to get it started too?
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Post# 43201-8/9/2004-10:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: Wow, that's BEAUTIFUL!!! Love the "miniature" door at the top for the dispenser!
--Austin
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Post# 43202-8/9/2004-10:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: I thought so; I faintly remember seeing some Westy FLs (the oval window) when we bought a vacuum there in '91 or '92 (I was 3).
--Austin
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Post# 43203-8/9/2004-10:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: I got that machine... No, I haven't used it yet. I think it is more a '51 or '52 model, as it is more like one of Jon Charles' machines rather than like Robert's machine with the perky housewife decal on the front.
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Post# 43204-8/9/2004-10:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: Did a little appliance harvesting over the weekend. Here are a few pictures.
Steve1-18 (a.k.a. Mr. Maytag)
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?&.dir=/7261&.src=ph
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Post# 43205-8/9/2004-10:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: Is this ever a surprise?? My 1940-1942 Bendix service manuals arrived today and when I started looking through them, I found a rare semi-automatic Bendix! This left the cycle times & water level/temp. completely up to the user. It beared a resemblence to the original 1938 Bendix Home Laundry with a white door & black tub/front panel, and had a 4-position dial: OFF, WASH, DRAIN, DRY (spin). The water mixing valve was in-line and manually operated, with a "HOT-COLD" dial. Like top-load semi-automatics, the machine filled until the water supply was shut off. According to the manual, the window was numbered to indicate the water level positions. Very interesting machine!!
--Austin
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Post# 43206-8/9/2004-11:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: The DW reminds me of the Hobart Sterilizers. They also used a T-handle in the front, and completed a wash cycle with 180° or higher water in 2 minutes!!
Interesting Maytag stackable; I've seen models about the same age is yours but they always have touchpad controls. When I ran my Dependable Care with the cabinet off, I liked the way the transmission spun with the tub! It had the exact same suspension but larger.
--Austin
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Post# 43207-8/9/2004-12:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: AWESOME!
So you could bring the water level WAY up like halfway up the window to do a real good deep rinse.
Vintage front loading rocks! The tumble action and water splashing is alot more dramatic than Sir Frigemore: The Miser.
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Post# 43208-8/9/2004-12:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest (Orbital Trans)
MESSAGE: Ain't that fun?
I had the front off my mom's Maytag and watched the trans go round and round.
I need to make a video of a complete cycle before that washer breaks. My mom isn't one to debate repair or replacement. There will be a new one real fast if the old one breaks.
Sad thing is, she has a CLASSIC and fixing it will keep it alive alot longer than buying a new one, but she doesn't understand that.
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Post# 43209-8/9/2004-13:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: I wonder if there's a way to increase the water level in a Frigemore, maybe turn a set screw or something like that. With an automatic Bendix it's easy: The float assembly has 2 tabs that trip a switch that either engages/disengages the water valve. Just slide one of the clips down a little further and...VOILA! Window washing!
--Austin
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Post# 43210-8/9/2004-14:24 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: There was a posting long ago on how to raise the water level on a Frigemore, I don't remember what the answer was, maybe someone else remembers.
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Post# 43211-8/9/2004-15:47 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: IIRC the same subject was covered over on THS, with directions given on a certian screw to turn which raised the water level.
Not with standing the above, considering some of the rear bearing problems these units seemed plauged with, I'd be leary of raising the water level too much.
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Post# 43212-8/9/2004-17:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: Yep. There is a mod for this and I already did it. Turn the set screw and the water fills up to the door. And that's the best it gets.
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Post# 43213-8/9/2004-17:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry
MESSAGE: I guess Electrolux doesn't want anybody to have any fun with their appliances...
When you mean to the door, how far is that? I've used my aunt/uncle's Frigemore and the water level is just low enough to open the door during use (if you forgot to toss something in). You can see the water level on the door, but just barely.
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Post# 43214-8/9/2004-18:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: Austin, that miniature door was pretty common on bendix washers in the 50s and 60s.
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Post# 43215-8/9/2004-19:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures!)
MESSAGE: Although this one looks like a miniature 50's Philco Automagic lid doesn't it??
--Austin
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Post# 43216-8/9/2004-19:09 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE FAMOUS PHILCOS! (Famous Philcos Can't wait to see your pictures! Thanks Robert And John)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks so much for posting the picture of John's '66 Bendix. What a beautiful machine!
John, Do you have pictures of all of your machines? You seem to have such a collection!
Thanks again.
Brent
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Post# 43217-8/9/2004-19:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: I remember looking at this auction, and didn't the agitator have a different cap than the '49?
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Post# 43218-8/9/2004-19:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westy SpaceMates Set!!!! YAY!!! (Looking for a Westy!!!)
MESSAGE: As a follow-up, the eBay SpaceMates set doesn't appear to have a raised door opening, which makes viewing the splashy action easier and the water level seem higher than it really is. Just look at the rag inside the tub (don't know why this is here...)
--Austin
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Post# 43219-8/9/2004-20:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: No-if the cap or motor is bad.Can you try running the motor by itself (say with the belt or drive to it disconnected)-I was wondering if something like your pump-or tranny was seized.It might just be like the other washer you had-the start cap needs to be replaced.
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Post# 43220-8/9/2004-20:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: I wonder if your start cap is gone like the washer you had before.Can you try to start and run the motor with the belt or shaft disconnected?-Ie see if the motor will start and run without anything connected to it.If it has trouble-then its start cap or winding could be bad.Another possibility-but rare-the contacts of the centrifical start switch in the motor could be welded together.As I asked-is something like the tranny or water pump seized?
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Post# 43221-8/9/2004-20:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: no, I could not get it to agitate, just hum, I think the solenoid may not be working either ........ regardless, I only had the machine on for two minutes tops ........ as soon as I saw and smelled the smoke I shut it off right away.
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Post# 43222-8/9/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: Is the Hobart Stereilizer a DW or an instrument sterilizer like in a hospital or a lab?When I visited a hospital years ago-they had automatic-walk in sterilizers(autoclaves as they called them)that exposed the items to actual steam for 30 minutes.It was interesting to see them work-one was being started and another one was finishing its cycle.Geezz-what a dishwasher that would make!The steam for the autoclaves came from the hospital boiler.
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Post# 43223-8/9/2004-20:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: well, no belts, its a direct drive, the tranny may be seized ......... not sure ......... I will try the cap first. But on my ' 65 rollermatic where I replaced the cap before, that cap never smoked or heated up ??? The cap on the ' 66 Norge sure fried itself, BIG TIME, turned the paint white and smoked it right off .............. I think I may have fried the motor on that machine as well ...........
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Post# 43224-8/9/2004-20:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: Yes, it's a commercial dishwasher; I had the model number but now I don't quite remember what it was. If the machine I'm thinking of is on eBay I'll post the link; I don't think these are produced by Hobart anymore.
--Austin
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Post# 43225-8/9/2004-20:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: Luckily there were 2 on eBay. The model numbers start with WM or WM5; the few machines I've seen were WM5's. These particular models linked here are a WM-5H, and a WM-5C. Notice the T-handles on both models.
WM-5H
WM-5C
--Austin
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Post# 43226-8/9/2004-20:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest (Oops...can't do HTML)
MESSAGE: OK...let's try this again. Here's the link to the WM-5C.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57107&item=3832622234&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43227-8/9/2004-20:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: And here's the link to the WM-5H.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57107&item=3831709702&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43228-8/9/2004-20:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic smoking
MESSAGE: Does it have a drive coupler(like in new WP KN machines) that you could disconnect?If not-get a new cap and try again-but be prepared to shut it down if it still won't start.Can you try to turn over the xmission by hand?
In the 65 Rollermatic-sounds like the cap was Opened-in your Norge-sounded like it must of been Shorted.The shorted cap certainly could have blown the motor start winding.also you mentioned a soleniod-does the soleniod shift the transmission from agitate to spin modes?You could use an ohmmeter to see if it has continuity.-does its plunger move freely?
Remember motor start caps are for start normal start cycles-if the motor is stalled-the cap and motor windings quickly overheat.The current drawn by the start winding flows thru the cap.The motor centrifical switch disconnects the start winding and cap when the motor reaches its rated speed.
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Post# 43229-8/9/2004-21:36 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (water level)
MESSAGE: To all who have the idea to raise the level of the water above the window BEWARE! If you intend to preserve your machines for years to come this is not a smart thing to do.Bearings are not easy to come by, and either are seals, not to mention this is hard on a 1/4 horsepower motor. Water level for early bolt down models should be tested by allowing the machine to fill with door open until water almost runs out of porthole. This is the proper level. In the earliest models it is possible that the machine with the numbered windows allowed water to reach that higher level. This application was surely changed, because I can only imagine the problems they had with seals and bearings failing. All the manuals that I have from the '40's bolt-down models instruct water levels to be reached by this procedure that I have previously explained. BE CAREFUL GUYS You want to preserve your machines as long as possible. Take Care,,JOHN
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Post# 43230-8/9/2004-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (water level)
MESSAGE: Excellent advice, John. (beautiful combo by the way - you're amazing!!) Weren't the markings on the glass for water level and possibly suds level? I seem to recall mention of that in owner's manuals or service info somewhere...
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Post# 43231-8/9/2004-21:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In!
MESSAGE: It was so fun to have all the guys (Terry, Scott, Jon and Robert) in for a great few days of washer-fun! Glad you made it home and also won the Westy Streamliner!!
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Post# 43232-8/9/2004-21:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: The link isn't working.
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Post# 43233-8/9/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (water level)
MESSAGE: That would make sense-I also wonder if the washer builder was conecerned about the water levels over the window-flooding if the door opened.If the water was below it-wouldn't be a concern.I think the point about overloading the tub bearings and the motor is a good one.Was there a door latch soleniod on those older machines to lock the door while it was going?I szuppose the high water level would be more interesting to watch-but would it be worth sacrificing the machine?
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Post# 43234-8/9/2004-21:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest (Oops...can't do HTML)
MESSAGE: Very interesting-So its a commercial institutuional washer.The meter at the bottom looks like it reads pressure.also on the nameplate it sounds like the machine needs a source of compressed air.In all truth-items exposed to 150-180 degree water for only two min are not sterilized.To be sterilized they need to be exposed to temps above 220 degrees for 30 min. It would be washed though.Some strains of viruses and bacteria can survive temps of 180 degrees.The autoclaves at that hospital worked like this-the door was like a bank vault.(it has to withstand steam pressure over 15PSI)a motor system unlocked and locked the door. Then a vacuum pump evacuated the autoclave chamber with the items inside.Then the steam was pumpted in for a period of at least 30 min(a timer on the machine allowed the operator to set it longer)then it cooled for 30 min.Sterilized air was then admitted into the chamber-and the door then opened.The operator could then open the door completely and remove the cart that has the sterilized intruments on it.The itmes were wrapped in linen-cotton cloth or sealed in paper bags.
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Post# 43235-8/9/2004-22:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest
MESSAGE: Sorry-tried your other links-were OK.
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Post# 43236-8/9/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest (Orbital Trans)
MESSAGE: I remeber(late 60's) at a MayTag laundramat-a tech there had the front cover off one of the Maytag washers and saw the spinning tranny.There was a sign on the tub warning you to keep clear of the spinning tranny.Cool!-but don't get to close!I convinced my Dad and stepmom to keep their Maytag going.she wanted to get a new one.I told her NOT to.The new Maytags are horrible!Only thing you can do is try to convince her-maybe let her read the complaints on "Epinions" about newer Maytag machines-maybe that will convince her.It would be worth getting the old one fixed.
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Post# 43237-8/10/2004-02:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In!
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg for a wonderful weekend. I always have such a great time visiting you, and this time was even better being joined by Terry, Robert and Jon. It was great to meet some of your local family members too!
Now, I need to go find out what a Westy Streamliner is! :)
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Post# 43238-8/10/2004-02:27 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: Hi Guys
After extracting a digit, I finally got around to it, so I thought I'd post pics for you to see.
I bought the Kenwood Chef 2 years ago, now with a motor rebuild and trying to track down a bowl (The glass one cracked in shipping) its cost me more than a brand new one, but I do love it :)
The number of attachments these came with is astounding, I currently have a mincer, juicer, Blender, Potato Peeler, Coffee Grinder, and a Slow speed shredder.
Thanks for the recipie, the cake was great
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=30@My%201948%20Kenwood%20Chef%20-%20The%20English%20answer%20to%20the%20Kitchen%20Aid@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 43239-8/10/2004-06:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: The cake looks like it came out perfectly. I am glad you enjoyed it. Did you ice it? I love to put chocolate icing on it. Thanks for the pictures! Best wishes, Steve
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Post# 43240-8/10/2004-07:34 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: hi!
thanks for writing back..would love to chat and see if you have any info on my Bendix. also, I know some things about the bendix coming to levittown...every home had one.
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Post# 43241-8/10/2004-08:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: The agitator has no cap at all. It is missing...
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Post# 43242-8/10/2004-09:12 ||| Neild (Boston)
SUBJECT:
Machine won't agitate
MESSAGE: I have a Maytag A700. Works great. Quiet,balanced,watertight, however, after filling machine fails to agitate. I must push the water level controls VERY HARD in order of machine to agitate. Suggestions? Neild
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Post# 43243-8/10/2004-10:22 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate
MESSAGE: Do you have pushbutton water levels or an up & down slide control? Does the machine stop filling and not make a motor sound, or does it keep filling and possibly overflow? Does this happen at every water level (small, med large etc)?
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Post# 43244-8/10/2004-11:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: Wow, if it's a "hollow-agitator" machine then you could pour detergent there. Otherwise I wouldn't recommend it.
--Austin
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Post# 43245-8/10/2004-11:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate
MESSAGE: I'm thinking you might have a problem with the water level pressure switch. My Dependable Care has an airtight hose connected from the switch to the tub that, when the desired water level was selected, will trip the pressure switch and start the motor. A bad hose would definitely leak water. Since this isn't the case, there could be one of two problems (I've had the cabinet off and looked into some key components):
1. Weak pressure switch spring: Turning the knob/sliding the switch would push a spring-loaded button in/out, which would increase/decrease the airspace inside the switch, causing it to trip. A weak spring could quite possibly cause no agitaton unless you hold the water level knob.
2. Bad pressure switch: Sometimes the pressure switch just goes bad and machine won't agitate. I really don't know the details on this problem; can these be repaired or is replacement the only option??
--Austin
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Post# 43246-8/10/2004-12:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (Don't overfill!)
MESSAGE: This is true; the tub bearing on my Bendix is level to the center of the window, which would obviously make filling to that level a BIG no-no. Filling lower would probably be safe, however, this wouldn't account for the door seals. The "utility" model would still be loads of fun to use, provided you have a fresh supply of bearings & door seals...
I have some Bendix manuals from 1940-1942 and somewhere it does state how to regulate the water level.
So guys, let's just stick to filling newer Westys (NOT the Laundromats!!) and Frigemores at high levels...
--Austin
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Post# 43247-8/10/2004-12:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: You know not of which you speak. I know there are a lot of really nice people in this forum, but please do not try to be helpful or offer suggestions if you don't have first hand experience...
-ph
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Post# 43248-8/10/2004-12:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoints to go (ABC is here)
MESSAGE: That was a broad statement. I
do not know if an ABC has a "hollow agitator" or not, like Maytag Dependable Cares, Frigidaires, and "plastic" GE's.
Btw that wasn't a suggestion.
--Austin
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Post# 43249-8/10/2004-13:14 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: Hello:
Yesterday's POD brought up some questions about Frigi refrigerators.
What was their 'Power Capsule' and how did it differ from an ordinary compressor? Was it truly better than a compressor? And what years was it made? Did it get discontinued when WCI bought the brand?
Any insights would be appreciated!
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Post# 43250-8/10/2004-13:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: I thought it was very interesting. I'm curious as to how it works as well, with only 3 moving parts.
--Austin
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Post# 43251-8/10/2004-14:51 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: I might be wrong, but I think the "power capsule" was Frigidaire's name for a rotary compressor. Back then they may have manufactured their own compressors. Rotary compressors were new technology in the 60's. They were quiet and efficient. We hade a coldspot bottom freezer for 33 years with a rotary compressor that you could barely tell was running unless you put your hand on it. Can any
frigidaire experts back me up on this?
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Post# 43252-8/10/2004-14:58 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: Frigidaires used the same compressor up until "the end". A reciprocating compressor uses pistons that motion back & forth to close reed valves to compress the freon (which involves linkage; more moving parts). A rotary spins like a top and compresses by centrifical (sp) force .
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Post# 43253-8/10/2004-15:07 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: I did Ice it, I had a go at the white frosting you wrote about.
I had lots of trouble getting the flour and milk smooth, so I made more of a butter based roux, and cooked the flour and some butter first, before adding hot milk. When I did it that way, it was much easier to get smooth.
The one thing I did find, was that I think our type of raw sugar is much different to yours. I tried for 40 minutes to cream the raw sugar and butter, before I gave up and used butter and castor sugar.
Thanks for the recipie, it was great :)
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 43254-8/10/2004-15:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: In the words of Ted Allen, "This looks DELICIOUS!"
Love the '48 Kenwood Chef too!
--Austin
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Post# 43255-8/10/2004-18:32 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
WCD-64 Frigidaire for parts on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey Gregm978 this is in your neck of the woods.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3832013781&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43256-8/10/2004-18:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
You can get raw castor sugar here now. CSR make it. I use it all the time, it's pretty good though still slower to dissolve or cream than white castor sugar.
Chris.
(Apologies to the Relevance Police.)
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Post# 43257-8/10/2004-19:09 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Chris, I'll give it a go next time :)
The raw sugar just wouldnt go anywhere :) I ended up with creamed and then curdled butter full of gravel :)
Nathan
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Post# 43258-8/10/2004-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: Is the Frigidaire "Power Capsule" rotary compresser like a centrifical compresser used nowadays in large Airconditioning installations?I had seen two types in the govt building I used to work in the Wash DC area.the first ones were built by Carrier Refrigeration-these were claimed by some for the first airconditioned Govt building in that area.They were put in in 1939 and used until 1995.They had a two stage compressor and were driven by an open frame 700Hp motor.They 5 of the units.650 ton cooling cap.It was sure impressive when they started one of those up! The later ones were by Trane-650 ton and 1200 ton capacity. Had Hermetic motors-the motor about the size of a 55Gal barrel.The motors were only half the HP of the older Carrier ones.The Trane units had a four stage compresser and the motors ran at 3600 RPM.The Carrier ones the motor was 1800RPM and ran into a transmission that stepped the motor speed to 10,000RPM.
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Post# 43259-8/10/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: If it was like the centrifical compressers used in large AC systems today-it would just be down to 2 or 3 moving parts-rotating parts at that.Is it also similar to "scroll" compressers used today for small AC systems(like for households or small commercial)The scroll compressers were also a form of centrifical compresser with rotating parts and no pistons or other recirocating parts.
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Post# 43260-8/10/2004-19:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: That's a really COOL Kenwood Mixer!I have some newer ones-one is under the "Viking" brand.Another I have is under the Rival "Select" brand.These days into the USA Kenwood has been thru several distributors.Currently it is Viking and another company-can't think of its name.You don't see the machines under the Kenwood name.I like mine better than the KA machines.I am looking for the vintage Kenwoods.Not real easy to find.Do you have a picture of the attachments for yours?Mine came with the blender.The Viking machine has a 1000 W motor.More powerful than my KA machines.
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Post# 43261-8/10/2004-19:41 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule)
MESSAGE: I believe you are correct on both. Frigidaire did call their compressors "power capsule"(at least in the 60's),and from what I remember from Frigidaire school, Frigidaire did make their own compressors. They also made automotive rotary compressors for GM vehicles of the era.
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Post# 43262-8/10/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: When were your Levittown homes Built?My mother bought a Levit home in a "Levittown" in the Wash DC area.Her house had the GE appliance package.You could also order it with a Westinghouse package.You got a Fridge,range,washer,dryer and dishwasher and a disposal-also you could get a central vac system.did you have any problems with your Levit house?
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Post# 43263-8/10/2004-20:26 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: Let me know the mod.# of your Bendix I have much info on these machines.John
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Post# 43264-8/10/2004-20:33 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (water level)
MESSAGE: I am not sure about why the window had #'s on it I am sure I could find out in my Bendix lit.I will have to check on this.John
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Post# 43265-8/10/2004-20:46 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WCD-64 Frigidaire for parts on ebay (yes, thnks)
MESSAGE: My friend Jon has already bid. I already had a shot at it anyways awhile back, I know the seller, a very nice/good guy.
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Post# 43266-8/10/2004-21:14 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (123 Bendix Dial-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: Austin, This has been taken from the Dial-o-matic Manual...D. Water lever Position for guiding the operator are marked on the Glass of the Door. If a full load of dry clothes is placed in the bendix, water should be run into the unit until it reaches the #3 position. Subsequent fills for the same load should be to the #2 position. Less than full loads may require smaller quantities of water but it is advisable, even with the smallest load, to fill at least to the #1 position. So it is true that this early Bendix did fill to window marks. Keep in mind that these were the early machines and I am sure that modifications were soon to follow beacause of seal and bearing problems.Hope this takes care of water level ?s for this machine.Take care ,John
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Post# 43267-8/10/2004-21:19 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: hi!
your Mom must have lived in Bowie, maryland. these homes were built in the early 1960's, versus Levittown NY which was built 1947 - 1951. there were two types of bendix washers put in every home....one style in 1947-58, the other from 1949- 1951.
see our website!
LINK: http://www.levittownhistoricalsociety.org
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Post# 43268-8/10/2004-21:20 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: ok..I will have to look for it. but it is one of the round topped ones, from 1947 or 1948.
or email me!!
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Post# 43269-8/10/2004-21:21 ||| jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!!
MESSAGE: On Saturday Cal and I picked up the Philco-bendix washer I got on eBay. It's in perfect new condition, and yes, it does still have it's new washer smell. It runs great, but can't do any laundry untill I get it bolted to the floor. It's final spin speed is only about 400 rpm, but thats why I have the extractor. I have posted some photos, and will take more when I get it going. Now all I need is a lot of laundry. Jeff
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Post# 43270-8/10/2004-21:36 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!! (1974 Philco Bendix)
MESSAGE: Hi, Jeff and Cal, I am sure that my bolt down Philco Bendix is also from the 70's It is a double load machine that I got from a laundromat.You will love it.Thanks for sending the water valves for the Kenmore Combo. It runs GREAT! Hope to see you both next time you're in Minnesota.Hugs&Kisses,John&Chris
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Post# 43271-8/10/2004-22:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (123 Bendix Dial-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: Thanks; this must explain why you should always tumble during fill in a semi-auto FL.
A new water valve won't allow the float regulator nozzle, however the float assy. will fill up anyway. It might take longer, so I'll have to really fine-tune the cutoff switch so the water doesn't get too high and mess up the good (luckily) bearings.
--Austin
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Post# 43272-8/10/2004-22:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!!
MESSAGE: YAY! Congrats on the find! I've noticed many bolt-down Bendixes (and Philco-Bendixes) were low-rated in Consumer Reports for extraction; ironically a higher speed would minimize vibration and rattling. Just watch the photos of Robert's '58 Unimatic spinning and notice how the tub shakes as it reaches speed but is smooth when it reaches 1140 RPM.
Btw what was the speed of Bendix soft-mounts??
--Austin
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Post# 43273-8/10/2004-22:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: My mothers home was built in Capitol Heights Maryland.It's near Bowie.It was built and purchased in 1969.Your link was very interesting.Her home didn't have the TV.I guess the central vacuum was what you got instead. The central vac was an option.It sounds like the original NY Levittown people didn't have any problems with their homes. The later ones in that area everyone had some sort of problem or another.Most of the time you couldn't get Levitt to fix it. I fixed some of the problems.I had to redo some of the piping joints for the vacuum system.also had to redo the plumbing that fed the washer.(the home had a GE Filter Flo washer)You had to chip away the concrete flooring-repair or replace the plumbing involved-then put in cement to cover it.Other owners had problems with the radiant heating plumbing in the floors.It would leak and eventually food the home.Also-our home had an intercom(NuTone) had to repair it-when they moved in.The people that built the home didn't have much training.Its like they gave the man on the street a hammerand saw and lumber and told him to build the house.The home was very nice though.Each summer I visited her she had some sort of repair or improvement project for me to do.
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Post# 43274-8/10/2004-22:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-were the Bendix washers put into the orig Levitt homes a special model or a stock model made at that time?
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Post# 43275-8/10/2004-22:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!! (Tub shaking)
MESSAGE: I posted about the washer tub shaking in the beginning or during acceleration. I think the wobble comes from the centrifugal force of the tub as the clothes settle onto the sides and the tub becomes a gyroscope. Then it becomes rock steady.
My mom's Maytag does this jiggle when it's about to reach full spin. My 1977 portable Lady Kenmore does a hula dance for a few seconds and then smoothes out (sometimes not) when it reaches the correct spin speed.
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Post# 43276-8/10/2004-22:59 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Hi all, I have just returned from a fantastic visit with Greg and Skyler in Omaha. I want to thank you both for being such great host's. The days flew by and all to soon were over. I agree Jon, it has been way to long between visits!! It was so good to see you, Robert, and Scott again. What a fun time with several wash-ins as well as lots of other fun. Jon made all of us the best smoothies, homemade fresh grain bread, and not to mention some fantastic fresh fruit margarits all in the Vita Mix. We also had fun playing with a toastolator that Greg got while we were there. Greg also had found an induction cooktop that was really neat to cook on. One would think it couldn't get any better until you walk into Greg's washer playland! What a fantastic collection. You should see his new 1958 Frigidaire set, they are just breath taking. I can't believe how much I have learn about the wonderful world of washers. Greg is so patient and is a wonderful teacher. On Monday Greg, Scott, and I took a little road trip first to Walnut, Iowa. They have tons of antique stores and we had such fun going through them. Then we were off for Newton Iowa. I never thought that I would get a chance to see the this place. We toured the Jasper County Museum where they have a very nice display detailing the Maytag washer history. Take care and again Greg, thanks for the memories!! Terry
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Post# 43277-8/10/2004-23:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!! (Tub shaking)
MESSAGE: My GE Portable's suspension is soft, so on a small load, when it reaches full speed, the clothes tend to go to one side and the machine will vibrate excessively. Large loads don't seem to have this problem, although there is always some vibration present. It shakes even during acceleration (light weight is NOT a boon on automatic washers; just ask any Haier owner), however, and during braking, if the machine's not centered (or I'm not there to hang on to it), it will twist to one side (on wheels).
The Kenmore's funny; sometimes the load is balanced and sometimes it isn't, making the machine shake...
--Austin
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Post# 43278-8/10/2004-23:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: I've always been fascinated by induction cooktops as they are not hot to the touch, but in fact direct heat toward a special pan. Comsumer Reports tested these once in the early 90's I believe; the ratings weren't that bad.
--Austin
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Post# 43279-8/10/2004-23:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: The induction cookers needed an iron or high iron content pan to work.Many types of SS wouldn't work on the induction cooktops.Aluminum pans wouldn't work with them either.I also thought they were interesting.The induction stove works like the transformer principle-The iron or steel pan acted like the shorted secondary of a transformer.An induction coil under the pan induced high frequency current into the pan to make it heat.Its too bad the machines didn't catch on.I wanted one!
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Post# 43280-8/10/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Red Velvet Cake
MESSAGE: Oh yes-the other Kenwood dist here is DeLonghi.They make and distribute all types of small kitchen appliances.I have a Kenwood mixer under their name.Any present Kenwood attachments will fit the DeLonghi version or the Viking version. Viking is a large builder of stoves,ranges,and ovens for both home and commercial use.The Kenwood mixer under their name has a 3 wire cord.It would be OK to use it in the US for commercial use.Hamilton Beach appliance Co is another importer of the Kenwood machines into the US-they are under the HB name and designed for commercial use.They have the speed control dial-and large "start-Stop" buttons.Also have an interlock to keep the motor from running unless the head is lowered over the bowel.Its a new OSHA safety regulation in the US for commercial stand type mixers.The motor can't run unless the head is lowered to the bowel.That one can be purchased for home use if desired.-just have to go to a Commercial HB dealer.The HB model-like the Viking also has the 3 wire cord.The more I use the KW machines-the more I like them.MY KA is getting rather lonely in the back of the pantry!Another interesting plus-its the only mixer that thinks its a blender!The blender attachment is very effective.
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Post# 43281-8/11/2004-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Induction cooktops are back, and I can't imagine that they won't be highly successful, and have no idea why they weren't the first time around. I am so thrilled that I got to see one in person (Greg's is a GE) and I was very impressed with it. I think Diva de Provence is the only current manufacturer, but I have a feeling everyone will have a version in coming years.
LINK: http://www.universal-akb.com/36divincookd.html
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Post# 43282-8/11/2004-00:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Ah, you're back safe and sound Terry! Yes we all certainly did have a wonderful time, as I certainly always do whenever I visit Greg or any of our other gracious and generous friends and club members. It was a nice treat to see everyone, including Jon whom I hadn't seen since the 2002 convention.
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Post# 43283-8/11/2004-01:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Saw your link-very nice-the price of the machine would discourage most folks.A standard cooktop is about 1/4-to 1/3 the cost.I made a quick look on the internet and found 2 other induction cookers-A portable "hotplate" style by Sunpentown.That would be an excellent choice for someone who wants to try the induction cooking for a low cost. it runs off 120V and costs about $110. Another choice was a Miele cooktop sort of like the Diva.The safety and efficiency of the device is very appealing. There was one safety note that Miele brought up about their device-they point out the powerful electromagnetic feild an induction range or cooker puts out near its "burner" and pan. The feild could effect heart pacemakers.They also point out a suitable test for determining if a pan or pot will work with the machine-if a magnet will cling to the pan.That would mean any pot or pan with high iron content.Regular SS ,aluminum,Ceramic,glass pans would not work.Maybe I will get one when the prices go down.Other manufacturers of these would help and get prices down.The small "hotplate" one sounds interesting though by Sunpentown.That may be a good one for now.You could even use it at work and store it in your locker when you are done!
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Post# 43284-8/11/2004-02:28 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire double oven
MESSAGE: I just got in a Frigidaire built in double oven in poppy red. It is in beautiful cosmetic condition. I don't know if it works or not. If anyone is interested Email me.
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Post# 43285-8/11/2004-03:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Cycle times of vintage FL & TL machines vs Modern FL and TL machines
MESSAGE: I posted this in the Sandbox, too, but the subject sort of straddles both areas, and a lot of you don't go to the Sandbox as often as here and I want the opinion of as many people as possible.
Has anybody ever charted the wash and total cycle times of vintage FL and TL washers vs modern FL and TL washer?. Don't have much experience with FL machines of either vintage, the longest wash time I've seen is 18 minutes, the shortest, 10 minutes (Maytag) and I'm used to Kenmore (14 minutes). What seems to be typical? Is the wash time longer on the newer FL machines than older machines. Dishwasher wash times increased considerably over the years, so I wonder if the same occured with FL washers. I know they didn't with TL washers, at least, not as much.
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Post# 43286-8/11/2004-03:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mid-Summer Harvest (Classic Maytag)
MESSAGE: That's a switch, since many older people lament how older things were made "better" and you'd think she'd be conducive to having it repaired, especially if maybe you propose to her that you would pay for the repair so she wouldn't have to pay a lot of money for new "junk" that doesn't last. Just "sweet talk" her a little and show that you're looking out for her and it might just work.
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Post# 43287-8/11/2004-04:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (non-agitation)
MESSAGE: since you say you have to PUSH very hard to get machine to agitate, this implies that the water levels are push button, and that the machine stops filling, but doesn't go into agitation. In that case, sounds live the water level push button switch to me.
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Post# 43288-8/11/2004-05:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Question re: Yesterday's POD (Frigidaire Power Capsule) (Frigidaire car A/C compressors)
MESSAGE: The compressors Frigidaire division made for GM cars are NOT rotary. They use standard piston-in-cylinders technology. The early compressors had 6 little pistons arranged axially (lengthwise) of the compressor, 3 facing forward and 3 facing backward, with the piston rods attached to a "wobble plate" rotated by the drive from the engine. These were called A6 compressors. These compressors were much quieter and smoother than the 2 cylinder "in-line" York or Tecumseh compressors Ford and AMC used and the 2 cylinder "V" style compressor Chrysler used. In fact, Ford would use the GM compressor on Lincolns and some of their other models because of this. Later GM cars used the R4 compressors, which had 4 pistons arranged radially like old airplane piston engines. After Frigidaire was sold, the responsiblity for automotive A/C parts for GM cars was transfered to the Harrison Radiator and Delco divisions
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Post# 43289-8/11/2004-06:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
' 59 "coldspot" AC works great
MESSAGE: YAY !!!, I unpacked and fired up the '59 SEARS coldspot AC over the weekend that I had posted pics of about a month ago and it runs great, powerful fan, one speed, was suprised to see a "squirrel cage" blower on the inside vs a metal fan blade on an AC that old. The compressor is super quiet. Weighs a TON !!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43290-8/11/2004-07:12 ||| johnborus (virginia)
SUBJECT:
maytag 606
MESSAGE: have trouble with spin on the two speed motor,only hums when called on to spin..... just replaced the timer with a used one for doing everything out of sequence, this one worked for three loads, then started humming on spin.... tried two used motors. same problem..... local guy say check for voltage at the motor when called to spin, what wires do i check (6 wire|)
i think its the timer, any comments gents???????
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Post# 43291-8/11/2004-08:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: ' 59 "coldspot" AC works great (That's COOL!)
MESSAGE: I love the way old air conditioners sound. The hum of the compressor and the metal squirrel cage or fan can put me to sleep.
Is your Coldspot a 220 or 110?
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Post# 43292-8/11/2004-08:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEW 1974 Philco-Bendix washer !!!
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff, that's wonderful, you must be thrilled! Can't wait to see the machine in action, how fun it must be to have a machine that's never seen a drop of water.
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Post# 43293-8/11/2004-08:44 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cycle times of vintage FL & TL machines vs Modern FL and TL machines
MESSAGE: Hi Jaune,
Yes, yes and yes. F/L washer times are longer these days, much like dishwashers. I have the Kenmore HE3 and if I do a big load of bath towel and select extra rinse and extended spin, cycle times is about 90-100 min! The frigidaires and Kenmores made by Frigidaire manage a cycle in about 50-60 min, but the capacity is smaller. The HE3 spends ALOT of time "testing" the load for spin, keeps revving up & slowing down to retumble and redistribute. The digital display says 1hr 5 min, but it pauses the time quite a bit on the spin routine. Hope this helps!
John
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Post# 43294-8/11/2004-08:46 ||| Gebill (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (non-agitation)
MESSAGE: Thanks kennmore1978
I am sure your diagnosis is correct. Do you know of any disttributors of classic appliance parts anywhere in the U.S? I would like to fix this machine. Thanks gebill
( new ID trouble with the old one)
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Post# 43295-8/11/2004-08:49 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: maytag 606
MESSAGE: Make sure that the rollers & springs on the sliding motor carriage are not binding in any way. With the belts off, the motor should slide toward you from the spring action and move smoothly if you push the motor forward ( away from you). Make sure the drive belt is not glazed. It should slip and not "grab". On spin startup, you should see the motor move away from you quickly and then slowly move toward you as it pumps the water out.
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Post# 43296-8/11/2004-08:50 ||| Gebill (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (re. non-agitation Maytag)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your time. Are there any classic appliance parts distributors in the U.S? Will it be hard for me to get a pressure switch for such an old machine? gebill
(Neild is no longer my name ...trouble with log-in)
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Post# 43297-8/11/2004-08:55 ||| Gebill (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (Non-agitation Maytag)
MESSAGE: Machine stops filling but will not overflow. I won't begin to agitate unless I push one of the three (Low,med.High) water level buttons. I must keep pressure on the buttons or machine stops. Are there any classicappliance parts distributors anywhere in the U.S? Thanks
* My new classicappliance name is gebill I had log-on problems with the old one. I'm grateful for your input
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Post# 43298-8/11/2004-09:08 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cycle times of vintage FL & TL machines vs Modern FL and TL machines
MESSAGE: The 50's and early 60's Norge TL had the shortest wash time I've even seen. 8 minutes on the normal cycle and 4 on the "short" cycle.
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Post# 43299-8/11/2004-09:43 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (Non-agitation Maytag)
MESSAGE: Sounds like a bad water level switch; parts may be still available at any local appliance parts store. Make sure you bring model #, serial # and series # if any. You could try my buddy at Appliance parts Center, He has a store in Raynham, Mass but will ship anywhere. His name is Bradley, phone # is 1-800-540-0800
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Post# 43300-8/11/2004-09:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (Non-agitation Maytag)
MESSAGE: I will agree with John on this one; it is most likely that the pushbutton control itself has a fault, and not the pressure switch.
--Austin
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Post# 43301-8/11/2004-10:08 ||| Riciricci (italy)
SUBJECT:
italy - similar website or association
MESSAGE: Hi to everybody. I'm an italian boy who loves classic appliances. Here in italy I cannot find a website which is similar to this wonderful classicappliances.com. Does anybody have contacts here in italy to share? Italians with the same passion?
I deeply love this website!
Good Luck!
Rijk.
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Post# 43302-8/11/2004-12:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: ' 59 "coldspot" AC works great (That's COOL!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jason, its a 110 ........ you cannot hear the compressor at all unless your ear is right up against the outside side where it is located. Its the quietest AC compressor I have ever heard. The fan slows down slightly while the compressor is on .......... man, you know this thing is NOT energy efficient ........ but for the little bit I would use it up here or anywhere, I don't care ....... I am lucky/glad to have it .........., the only disadvantage I guess is you definately need a second person to help carry/install/or take out of the window ......... someday, I will probably build it into the wall of my home.
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Post# 43303-8/11/2004-13:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Utility Bendix Home Laundry (123 Bendix Dial-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: I assume these machines were filled before the tumbling started? That explains why there should be a higher water level used for bigger loads. The bigger loads suck up more water and when the laundry is saturated the water level might be under the window.
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Post# 43304-8/11/2004-13:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Maybe they didn't catch on in the US, but overhere they became rather popular. Almost every brand here sells several models of induction cookers.
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Post# 43305-8/11/2004-13:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: italy - similar website or association
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'm from the Netherlands, glad to see another European here again. I don't think there is an Italian website, but there is a German one that was founded a while ago. It is mostly in German, but parts are in English. There are some cool things to see, among them a daily picture like on this website.
Louis
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/
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Post# 43306-8/11/2004-14:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Hi all, I just posted some new photos in my album. The new ones are photos 1 through 7 and 31 through 40. Enjoy ... more to come ... :)
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GREGM
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Post# 43307-8/11/2004-15:21 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (love the pics)
MESSAGE: love the new pics! but more important i just wanted to say in you i have found a good friend and thats why i wanted you to have the topload dw cause i know how much it means and how good it feels to find your dream machine glad i could help do that for you always chris
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Post# 43308-8/11/2004-15:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, as always wonderful stuff! I did not realize those narrow dishwashers went that far back, nor did I know that Norge had been separated from Borg Warner for that long. I don't think I've seen one that said "Norge by Fedders." Watch out for those spin brakes hon! ;-)
Glad you got your dream dishwasher too!
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Post# 43309-8/11/2004-15:50 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT:
dash
MESSAGE: On E-bay someone is selling a large box of Dash. but look at the Westinghouse Front loader from the 50's. E-bay number 3833204677.
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Post# 43310-8/11/2004-16:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash
MESSAGE: And he's also selling a wonderful Kenmore Visi-Matic (he said 1946, but I think he means 1964), in excellent working condition! It has the "fat" Roto-Swirl, also in great shape!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3833202503&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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Post# 43311-8/11/2004-16:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Love the Norge By Fedders and the KitchenAid Portable DW!
Can we see some pics of the Norge in action? I bet that Spiralator is interesting to watch. Congratulations!
--Austin
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Post# 43312-8/11/2004-17:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash
MESSAGE: Those are wonderful machines. They are extremely quiet and wash well. The open top wringer makes it easy to see what's going on. I wonder if it is someone from here. There is a handsome pink Frigidaire range right next to the washer.
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Post# 43313-8/11/2004-17:34 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (Love the pics ! )
MESSAGE: Greg I love the pics.....I never knew such slim dishwashers were made. I am amazed at how excited I am about this site! I had forgotten the luv of the washing machine I had as a child. And have been reunited with it at this site. I am even thinking that one day, I would love to own a vintage machine. I am partial to the ABC and the philco (high frequency agitation). These are the washers I watched as a kid growing up. Cant wait to see more. I am also amazed at how beautiful the machines were made....kind of just cold and plain now. MAN I wish I still had my moms washer..
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Post# 43314-8/11/2004-17:48 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: I am wondering about the guys with the larger machine collections. How often do you use the vintage machines? I would assume that it would be good for them to run them occassionally. How do you pick which one to use ? Good grief, I am sure my water/electric bill would be higher than normal. I think I would come home from work and just start a machine to watch it cycle through just to unwind after work ! One day I would love to see a larger collection. It would be a dream come true to look into some of those machines again. I have read and looked at the pics from the convention you guys had.....any plans for another one sometime? I make a killer Turtle cake. :)
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Post# 43315-8/11/2004-17:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Excellent finds, Greg. That Norge with the spiral ramp will be fun to watch!
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Post# 43316-8/11/2004-18:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Thanks again for the great time and lots of laughs guys, we had a great time but it was too short, as usual! We had a great time washing, cooking on the induction cooktop, Vita-Mixing lots of good stuff and eating way more goodies than we should have!
On Sunday, we moved some machines around and made room for the 1960 GE solid basket washer and the 1958 Frigidaire Custom Imperial set. I snapped a few pics of the new arrivals for everyone to see.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/2fdc&.dnm=3e5b.jpg
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Post# 43317-8/11/2004-18:16 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: ok, I was close. His later models were built with other people, his brother Alfred was the main home designer until they split in 1952. He also sold his company in 1967 and became a figurehead rather than owner. Sorry to hear of your Mom's homes problems, but glad she enjoyed it anyway.
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Post# 43318-8/11/2004-18:17 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: I think they were the stock models of the time. Levitt/Bendix ran an ad back then stating that an entire town was washed by bendix.
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Post# 43319-8/11/2004-18:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: I try to use each of the vintage machines at least a couple of times a month to keep them from drying out completely and so we don't have any "use envy" among the ranks! I don't notice the utility bills much, but our electric and gas/water rates are very reasonable here. You are absolutely right - it's a great way to unwind - toss in a load of wash and get lost in the cycles...
Convention '05 plans are still in the conceptual stages right now, but there will definitely be more of them to come!
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Post# 43320-8/11/2004-18:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: Thats pretty good-What kind of dryer did Levitt provide?
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Post# 43321-8/11/2004-18:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: The place was kinda neat and fun.I did like using that central vac.My mom appreciated it to.It had a VERY effective turbine power power nozzle for carpets.If it jammed-it was very easy to snap it open and unjam it-away you go again!The vac was made by Black and Decker.The canister unit used VERY large paper bags.Very easy to empty.In her homes with central vacs-thats was one of my jobs when I visited in the summer-was to empty the central vac.The Levitt home BD one took only 5 min to replace the bag.Ohrers she had in other homes you had to empty the big canister and clean the filter.Very dusty dirty job.I also loved to read the Levitt Portifolio book that came with the house.It contained all of the user manuals on the machines installed in the home. Was very handy.It was actally quite entertaining to fix the Levitt troubles.Also fixed some of the neighbors homes too.The place had a real neat GE Filter Flo washer. It worked really well.The rest of the appliances were GE. Lots of canning done on that GE cooktop!She had a large canning pot that covered two burners.
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Post# 43322-8/11/2004-18:57 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Machine won't agitate (Non-agitation Maytag)
MESSAGE: If you can't find one,I'm sure I have a used one,that you can have. let me know.
kennyGF
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Post# 43323-8/11/2004-19:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting. I am glad they are used a lot in your area.Maybe its time to try reintroducing induction stoves to US customers. One company build and sells them.-Its Diva De Provence.The range is VERY expensive though-that would discourage many US customers.I suppose the narrower choice of pots and pans doesn't appeal to some.I think using one would be an interesting expereience.Miele builds and sells an induction cooktop here. Another comapny "Sunpentown" makes a portable "hotplate" type induction cooker that can run off a standard US 120V outlet. The ranges run off 220V.That portable induction cooker may be interesting. Allow one to try induction cooking at low cost.
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Post# 43324-8/11/2004-19:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash
MESSAGE: There aren't any Laundromat owners in Connecticut that I know of; maybe Applianceville is still "undiscovered territory" to this person.
--Austin
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Post# 43325-8/11/2004-19:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: I like the large washer and appliance collections that many members have.They have Appliance museams!I just only have room for a few machines-so I am hunting for ones I used during childhood(or parents used)In my area we don't have large basements-with the high water table out here those washers would always be in their fill cycles!With what I do have-I run loads thru them as well to watch and listen to them work.Also enjoy my constantly growing vacuum cleaner collection.
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Post# 43326-8/11/2004-19:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Wow, that Frigidaire looks fun, especially since the "energy ring" is much lower, unlike other 3-rings I've seen. And the solid-tub GE is great; do copper filter pans work on these?
Can't wait for Convention 2005!
--Austin
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Post# 43327-8/11/2004-19:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: You should go to the Convention to experience all of these wonderful old machines firsthand, as well as meet the collectors and other enthusiasts. An interesting fact is that many [large] appliance collectors also have a "soft spot" for vintage vacuums as well.
--Austin
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Post# 43328-8/11/2004-19:39 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun (Your Basement Is Fabulous!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures.
Your basement just looks so cozy and inviting!
I bet you guys had a blast!
Thanks for the pictures of your wonderful machines!
Brent
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Post# 43329-8/11/2004-19:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: Where are the "Conventions" or "Wash-Ins" held-any near here?I did discover this site by typing "vintage Vacuum cleaners" while surfing the web.Found it very fascinating-saw pictures and film clips of the old appliances running.That made me think-"We had one of those just like that"I guess the "soft spot for vintage vacs" made the "Classic Appliances" appear listed with the vintage vac sites.I primarily hunt for old machines in the second stores and "swap shops" near here.Get lots of vacs as trade ins toward Tri-Star vacs.Only a few I actally keep. Others get donated to charity or given to another person.
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Post# 43330-8/11/2004-19:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: Last one was held in Washington DC, and then the members trekked up to Mass. to Jon's house. However Convention 2005 is still "in the making", so I'm not sure of the locations.
--Austin
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Post# 43331-8/11/2004-20:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Attention Appliance Collectors!!!
MESSAGE: Just discovered a huge lot of vintage repair & parts manuals for automatic and wringer washers, as well as dryers. Blackstone, Bendix (later pre-Philco washers, & Duomatics), GE, Whirlpool. All have a low starting price so stock up on 'em while you can!!!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=parob&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
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Post# 43332-8/11/2004-20:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: great photos Greg, thanks for sharing .......
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Post# 43333-8/11/2004-20:57 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys. (Rex, vac coll)
MESSAGE: Rex, I tried to email you but it got returned ?? I used the email address in your profile ......... RE: vacuum collection
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Post# 43334-8/11/2004-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys. (Rex, vac coll)
MESSAGE: Try roliver@GRN.IBB.GOV
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Post# 43335-8/11/2004-21:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: Scott & Terry, it was very nice to be able to talk on the phone with y'all. It's been too long since in person.
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Post# 43336-8/11/2004-21:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice Wash In! (What Fun!!)
MESSAGE: We enjoyed talking to you too Bob! Bob, Richie, and Steve 1-18 were included in our fun at various times by telephone!
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Post# 43337-8/11/2004-22:08 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Pretty in PANK!
MESSAGE: PANK (Southern for Pink) a 1956 Frigidaire Electric (HUGE) Range on E-bay #3833266085. Also a 50's Maytag "Dutch Oven" in white. E-bay #3831811615. They both appear to be in beautiful shape.
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Post# 43338-8/11/2004-22:08 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: no dryer...this was late 1940's here. only use of an outisde hanger was allowed at first!
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Post# 43339-8/11/2004-22:10 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: Hi
I think the model number is 1048.
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Post# 43340-8/11/2004-22:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: I know jetcone has commented here it's very therapeudic to wash a load of socks in his westy after working all day. And greg, yup, you do try to use all the machinhes, but when you either call and ask me to "name that washer that's on" and listen to it all thru the cycle or we have a telephone wash in and I get to choose a washer and laundry additives, it's usually a Frigidaire. :-)
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Post# 43341-8/11/2004-22:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pretty in PANK!
MESSAGE: Very nice items! I love the Frigidaire. I'm not a big gas range fan, but I do like the Maytag and the 50s Tappan. I have a friend who lives in Tucson; must see if he might be interested in this nice unit.
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Post# 43342-8/11/2004-22:25 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Greg,...that Fedders Norge is almost identical to the one we had 20 yrs. ago,the brown and white graphics were the same.
Funny thing is though i can't recall if the timer dial on our Norge was on the left like this picture shows?
Pat
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Post# 43343-8/11/2004-22:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: thats great!Totally opposite of some areas that BAN clotheslines these days.Talk about styming enery savings.What did the Levittown residents do with the clothes in the winter?esp if it was snowing?I thought Bendix had a dryer in those days.
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Post# 43344-8/11/2004-22:32 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun (sounds and looks like fun)
MESSAGE: woooh greg beautiful machines know the new babies will enjoy their new home!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43345-8/11/2004-22:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: Correction, no not ALL Convention goers got to trek up to Jon's house!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43346-8/11/2004-22:34 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: true, but levitt only supplied room for the washer. in the Cape Cod home (1947-48) the Bendix was bolted to the floor under the stairwell! in the Ranch home (1949-1951) it was placed in the kitchen underneath the boiler in the first year, then next to the boiler in the last 2 years. People that changed their carports to Garages put dryers in there. or laundromats. Not sure what people did in winter...maybe hung clothes in the bathroom?
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Post# 43347-8/11/2004-22:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Very cool new pictures Greg! I just love your vintage top loading KitchenAid DW, would love to see that run someday.
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Post# 43348-8/11/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: Actually the machines that gets used the least in my basement is my modern GE Harmony and Asko washers, they probably get one or two cycles per month, if that, although I do use the Harmony dryer more often. I use all of my vintage machines, most get run at least three or more times per month, especially the Unimatics which get the heaviest use. My water bill isn't any more than just using one machine because I don't do any more laundry that normal, I just have choices.
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Post# 43349-8/11/2004-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks so much for the new pix. I remember the 64 Norge in the sales brochure. The 66 wavy agitator, have NEVER ever seen anything like that in a Norge. The only thing familiar was the agitator cap LOL. The 78 18" portable is a classic. Kenmore always offered the most features on those. It's a shame D&M went with a towaer wash system, takes up so much room in bottom rack nowdays. And the 1975 Dishmobile, that brings back a lot of memories. When we (I) chose the wall oven & cooktop for the lake house, I could have also chosen the built-in version of that Dishmobile. But I opted for a rotorack instead. Friend of the family had built-in lower model. When loaded correctly, that machine could hold a ton of dishes. But didn't clean worth a flip.
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Post# 43350-8/11/2004-22:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: And Robert, we are grateful for those choices and for you sharing them with us.
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Post# 43351-8/11/2004-22:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Oh Greg your '58 Unimatic/Filtrator set looks so very fab-u-lous! How wonderful of find was that and to think that you found the washer and dryer nearly at the same time but 1200 miles apart!
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Post# 43352-8/11/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: Well the Apex Dishwasher is back in service after having the motor rewound and a few other minor repairs. I had to experiment with the glass lid gasket to prevent any water leaks during wash, but I found the perfect water tight seal. So I put the topping on the cake tonight by installing a permenant waterproof light at the bottom of the dishwasher tank that lights the interior of the dishwasher automatically whenever the dishwasher is running.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=34@New%20Permenant%20Interior%20Light%20-%20Lights%20during%20cycle@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 43353-8/11/2004-22:55 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pretty in PANK! (That PANK is pretty !)
MESSAGE: That "PANK" range is beautiful !!! Wish i had the kitchen for it ! WOW !
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Post# 43354-8/11/2004-23:02 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun (Glowing beauties ! )
MESSAGE: Those are really nice.....looked at your other photos also.......great collection !!!! IT really blows my mind that I am so touched by these collections.....The beauty of these machines that you guys are restoring to their original splendor !!! I LOVE IT !
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Post# 43355-8/11/2004-23:09 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys. (AND WHAT CHOICES THEY ARE !!!!!!)
MESSAGE: I know you must be very proud of your collection, I was quite impressed by the restoration photos of the 57 Lady kenmore.What a LADY she is !! I was curious about the "germicidal light" and what/how it worked ? I almost think my other grandmother had a lady kenmore with a tub light. not sure though. I did not get to watch her machine like my other granny let me watch her "high frequency agitation" philco. Loved that machine too. Always marveled at the turnover in that machine. Tom
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Post# 43356-8/11/2004-23:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: That would make laundry day more interesting and even fun. do you keep a log of the machines you last used so you can keep track?Sounds like the Unimatics are your favorite.
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Post# 43357-8/11/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: Sounds like in the first phase of homes Levitt used Bolt downs under the staircase-then the next phase put the washer with the boiler.Makes ense-the washer would be close to the hot water supply.Did the boiler heat the water for consumption as well as for confort heat?That was the case in my mom's house.The boiler ran all the time even in summer-it provided hot water for consumption.Then it was also used for heat in the winter.Her home also had an airconditioner.I suppose Levittown residents could string an indoor clothesilne for winter in the kitchen and hang clothes on the bathroom shower curtain rod.Have had to do that on occasion.I remembered -another one of my "tasks" was to oil the boiler motor.
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Post# 43358-8/11/2004-23:25 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (1964 Norge)
MESSAGE: Loved the photos! Any chance of seeing the inside of that '64 Norge? I see you had photos of a '66 Norge agitator...love it!
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Post# 43359-8/11/2004-23:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (Dream Machine!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Your collection just keeps growing and growing!!Yay, I am so happy for you. I too love that Kitchen Aid Dishwasher. What a neat find. Have you tried it out yet?
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Post# 43360-8/11/2004-23:40 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun (Great Pictures!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for posting the neat pictures. It was almost like being there again. Those 58's just take my breath away with there beautiful console lights on. You have the perfect setting for these wonderful machines. You have to love that 1969 Westinghouse as well, such a fun machine to watch.
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Post# 43361-8/11/2004-23:42 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action (Let there be Light!!)
MESSAGE: Robert I love the light inside the Apex. What fun to watch after a long hard day, so relaxing. Thanks for sharing the pictures with us.
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Post# 43362-8/12/2004-00:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!
Thanks for the pictures! Bet you guys had a blast! I must say that the 58 Frigidaire pair are almost the most beautiful laundry set I have ever seen. Almost.
Richie
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Post# 43363-8/12/2004-00:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: Yes, Scott. Those are great machines. I've often said "every good home should have a Kenmore wringer and Frigidaire automatic in the laundry." ;-)
I love the wringer washer Roto-swirl. The vanes were higher than the Roto-swirls in automatics...going to the top of the agitator...they didnt seem as "pregnant" either....maybe an optical illusion of the higher vanes. Anyway...they are fun to watch doing their thing. Much cooler than the regular Rotos, IMHO.
Rich
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Post# 43364-8/12/2004-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: I like the light you put into your Apex dishwasher-really cool.You can really se how it works-those impeller style washers put out more spray than I thought.Glad you were able to find someone to rebuild the motor.Fortunately it had a rebuildable motor.Its getting harder to find someone to rewind small motors these days.We have a place out here that does it-they do our transmitter tune motors.Some date back to the days of your Apex washer!
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Post# 43365-8/12/2004-01:05 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (Visi-Matic)
MESSAGE: AND, it's in Connecticut, hmmmmmmm, I always did want a Visi-Matic. Shawn, I wonder if it's close to either of us??
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Post# 43366-8/12/2004-01:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash
MESSAGE: That is a VERY nice wringer washer-the lint filter in the lid is unusual.Like the big Roto-Swirl agitator.The machine even has the orig "doco"The interior shot into the tank with the agitator removed-it looks like its never bewen used!-or they took unusually good care of it.
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Post# 43367-8/12/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (D & M tower wash system)
MESSAGE: Actually, whether or not D & M used the tower wash system or the upper wash arm system depended on the model. There was no total swichover from one system to another, they existed concurrently.
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Post# 43368-8/12/2004-08:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: YAY, glad to see the Apex back in action again!
How does a waterproof light differ? Does it use a special bulb as well?
--Austin
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Post# 43369-8/12/2004-08:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: oh now thats cool !!!
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Post# 43370-8/12/2004-08:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: It does seem "pregnant," although the vanes are definitely higher. I wonder if this agitator would work in an automatic?
While the Maytags seem fun, the Kenmore wringers are still the most "colorful" machines. Whirlpool follows close behind with their Visi-Matic style wringers.
--Austin
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Post# 43371-8/12/2004-08:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: LOVE the "swirl" agitator on the Norge! That must turn the clothes over wonderfully!
IIRC, someone posted a pink Farm machine with that agitator on it. I remembered the familiar cap.
--Austin
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Post# 43372-8/12/2004-08:57 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
thnx all for comments
MESSAGE: Thanks all for your comments / compliments on my collection. Part of the fun is sharing with other enthusiasts. I will take more pics of the inside of the Norge/Fedders and the '64 which has a straight vane agitator, the '66 agitator I took out of a machine that I am stripping for parts because its to far "gone". Yes, Terry, I have used the '57 KA dw, it runs great and quiet too, one long wash, two rinses and a forced air heated dry. The '75 Dishmobile uses ALOT of water, but I have run a load of very dirty dishes in it and it did a great job. The pic of the rusted unimatic?? well the bellows and agitator are MINT in that machine ........ go figure .......
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Post# 43373-8/12/2004-08:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: I can actually swap that agitator out back and forth with the straight vane one in my '64 ...........
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Post# 43374-8/12/2004-09:02 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (new photos of new stuff )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Real Great stuff - I had the exact 18" kenmore dishwasher you posted. Real nice machine. Actually it is not a 1973 model. I got it used in 83' by someone that only had it for 2 years. I loved the machine. It is definatly a early 80's model. The nice part about that machine is that it has a revolving arm under the upper rack. The newer DM designs have a tower instead (sux) - they went that way in the early 90's (nothing like modern progress).
The other stuff you posted are real jems. What is the condition of the kelvinator? I also love the 56 duomatic.
Best of luck
Peter
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Post# 43375-8/12/2004-09:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action (LIghts, Camera, Spash Action )
MESSAGE: Robert,
This is real great - I wish all dishwashers had windows and lights to watch!
Thats real enterainment!
Peter
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Post# 43376-8/12/2004-09:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun (Weekend Pulsating With Fun)
MESSAGE: Greg,
It looks like you guys had a real great time with those great washers.
Peter
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Post# 43377-8/12/2004-09:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Levittown where it all started
MESSAGE: Wow. The beginning of the 50s and suburbia... and CLASSIC APPLIANCES.
Don't they have a museum there with some of the old stuff from the 50s?
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Post# 43378-8/12/2004-09:24 ||| riciricci (italy)
SUBJECT:
RE: italy - similar website or association
MESSAGE: thank you for the information!
Bye
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Post# 43379-8/12/2004-12:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff (new photos of new stuff )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, yea, I thought that DW was newer than '73, I thought at least late 70's or at the newest '80 or '81 ..... I will have to try and research that further. It does a great job. The Kelvinator needs ALOT of work. Needs a total rebuild/overhaul. It sat outside in a barn for over 30 + years. It was FILTHY, I found the '56 Philco and the pic of the rusted '52 Unimatic at the same time. The uni will be torn down for parts, ironically the uni tub, bellows, agitator, are all MINT.......... just the cabinet and chrome is shot. I just sent in the timer for rebuild. It is actually clean underneath too. The Kelvinator will have to be sandblasted and professionally repainted. Again all parts to be removed, cleaned and hopefully will be able to find whatever necessary parts that I cannot put back or use. I have yet to work on the Duomatic. Its still in my folks garage. That may be awhile, whereas it weighs, I am guessing, around 500 lbs.
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Post# 43380-8/12/2004-16:33 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Levittown where it all started (Levittown museum)
MESSAGE: yes, we sure do!! see the link below for the website:
LINK: http://www.levittownhistoricalsociety.org
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Post# 43381-8/12/2004-16:34 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Bendix Fan)
MESSAGE: yes, your answer seems logical. Thanks for the fond memories of your Mom's Levitt home!
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Post# 43382-8/12/2004-17:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Levittown where it all started (Levittown museum)
MESSAGE: Are they any of the original homes still there?
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Post# 43383-8/12/2004-18:02 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Here are some photos of the new 1974 Philco-Bendix washer I bought. Will post more when it's in the laundry room and bolted down so I can use it.
It sure would be great if we could find more classics new in the box! Jeff
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/JEFF_ADELPHI/
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Post# 43384-8/12/2004-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Looks great Jeff! Thanks for the pictures!
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Post# 43385-8/12/2004-18:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: The coral colored "Circulator" ring (energy ring is the gray diaphram at the bottom) has gotten weak on this machine and dropped down to the bottom of the column. I have a brand new one to put on, but haven't done the "finishing touches" inside the machine yet. This Lint Chaser ring (top, yellow) is one of the best used ones I've ever seen, I'm so thankful to have it as they are typically quite degraded by this age. The yellow Lint Chaser rings were almost always the first to go of the three colors of rubber used during this era.
The metal filter-flo pans were gone by 1960 models. The filter mount was changed and the pans made from plastic. Unfortunately, they are not interchangeable but since I don't have a metal pan, it won't be missed much.
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Post# 43386-8/12/2004-18:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: Lighted impeller dishwashing!! I can't wait!
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Post# 43387-8/12/2004-18:50 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: No, it won't fit the automatic. All this talk about Visimatics... well I just had to join in the fun and buy one too. Here it is!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/15@Kenmore%20Visimatic@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 43388-8/12/2004-18:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (Amazing!)
MESSAGE: Jeff,
So glad that you won that Bendix! It is amazing that it was never used. It is really stunning!
Even before I heard that you were going to bid on it, I was thinking of how cool it would be for you to get it, and have it next to your Norge Commercial washer. Are you going to bolt it right next to the Norge?
How did the transmission actually work in the Bendix machine? It must have been a good transmission since they kept that design for so long. There is a coin-op about a mile from me that still have a row of these. This place is packed on the weekend, so I know that they are used a good bit.
Thanks for the pictures!
You looked very happy in them!
Brent
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Post# 43389-8/12/2004-18:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (wow)
MESSAGE: amazing Jeff, I love it .......... never used ? brand new ? where on earth did you find something like this ?
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Post# 43390-8/12/2004-19:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
mod app ques help - sandbox
MESSAGE: I have a couple modern app questions that I will post in the sandbox ......... hoping some of you can help me with .....
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Post# 43391-8/12/2004-19:49 ||| levittownbob (Levittown, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Levittown where it all started (Levittown museum)
MESSAGE: well, sure! at least as close as to be expected. The one I got my Bendix from was maybe 90% original. My home is close but also has additions.
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Post# 43392-8/12/2004-19:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
14, 15, 16, 18, 20 lbs all the same
MESSAGE: I was told by the old app guy when I found three Norges about a month ago that the tub sizes were all the same and that the increased larger #'s was all marketing ....... at least with the Norges. Didn't most appliance manufacturers start out making refrigerators, including Norge ? We know Frigidaire did. Then stoves and then washers/dryers/dishwashers in that order. I think Maytag were the only ones who originally started building washers and thats all for years and years. Even Kelvinator started with refrigeration and Philco too if I am not mistaken .........
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Post# 43393-8/12/2004-20:19 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Final Rinse)
MESSAGE: Drying clothes in the winter w/o a tumble dryer. My grandmother and great aunt (farm wives) had today’s POD Bendix. I recall clothes line in the basement. Also, asking the same question you asked about line drying in freezing weather. How? Salt added to the final rinse water.
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Post# 43394-8/12/2004-20:44 ||| washboi (Bridgewater, VA)
SUBJECT:
Need some Advice
MESSAGE: Hey guys. I have posted in here a time or two. I need some advice on used appliances and figured this was the place to come. I am looking for a used washer and dryer for my sister. They have little money so I am trying to find her a refurbished one. They will be a family of 4 (a baby and a toddler) and she will need a real work-horse. She is what i call a "packer".....the type who really shoves in clothes to make a true full load. Despite what i tell her she still does it. The appliances i have found are early 80's Filter Flo's, early to mid eighty's Whirlpools, late 70's Kenmores and very few eighties Maytags. I am pretty sure all i have found are belt drive and not direct drive. So.....can you guys tell me what would be a good washer for me to choose based upon reliability and ease of repair?
I also have another thought.....were the belt drives more reliable than the current direct drives? Seems to me they would be. But i am no expert. Thanks ahead of time.
Joel
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Post# 43395-8/12/2004-20:44 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: Wow Eddy, What a beauty! That roto swirl really looks fun, bet it has good turnover. I hope you take it inside! LOL! Don
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Post# 43396-8/12/2004-20:49 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Wow!!! ALL of your pictures are terrific. What work you have done! Thanks for sharing them. Truly.
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Post# 43397-8/12/2004-21:00 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: new photos of new stuff
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Great resto on the frige, You know that Robert let us look inside his, and im really thirsty! I also lost a quarter in the Speed Queen! Ha!Great pics, Love the dishwashers. Your friend Don,( I just might pop over for a Coke)!
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Post# 43398-8/12/2004-21:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: Belt-drives are much more reliable and are easier on clothes than the current direct-drives. I have a Kenmore direct-drive and I really don't think it cleans well, and it is HORRIBLE at removing lint (with the "ring" filter). Keep in mind that the current GE/Hotpoint and Maytag machines
aren't direct-drive, however they have a similar agitation stroke. The stroke of the new GE machines appear to be a bit slower than the DD Kenmores, and the Maytag Atlantis machines have a slow stroke as well.
Now to answer your second question...
All 3 are excellent choices, however, large capacity BD Kenmores & Whirlpools are much easier to come by than large-capacity version Filter-Flos, and almost every old Maytag I've seen is just standard-capacity (12-14 lbs).
The newer the Filter-Flo, the smaller the tub will be. Models from the 1980's, with the chrome pushbutton or toggle controls hold more. The Filter-Flos do a great job at removing lint and the ramp agitator really kicks the clothes around, but just be sure the agitator-mounted filter pan is included, since they are somewhat hard to find locally, and you'll need 'em!
As for the BD Kenmore/Whirlpool, these were made until 1986 and are easy to locate because of their reliable design. Large-capacity tubs are common, and the most common agitator styles are the "winged" Super Surgilator (Whirlpool), Penta-Vane (5-vaned straight agitator; Kenmore), Penta-Swirl (Similar to the Penta-Vane only curved), and Dual-Action (self-explanatory). I'd recommend either the Super Surgilator or the Dual-Action, since they can handle large loads better. The Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl tend to lose turnover on large loads. Also, look for a tub-mounted manual-clean recirculating filter, mounted on the right front corner of the tub opening. It removes the most lint, and you can
see the water filtering and the lint that came out of the wash. However, just be sure to clean it after every load (or at least every 2-3 loads, depending on what you washed).
Hope this answers your question.
--Austin
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Post# 43399-8/12/2004-21:13 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, the CI set is just too cool your pics with them lighted makes me want one so bad! Great agitator shots. If you dont mind my asking, What type of polish or compound do you favor to get your machines to shine like they do? Thanks for shareing! Don
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Post# 43400-8/12/2004-21:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: I didn't realize that rubber decay caused the "dropped ring syndrome," I just thought it was the design of the agitator.
--Austin
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Post# 43401-8/12/2004-21:18 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: Wow Robert, This Apex is better than TV. Please put this in See it Wash! Pleeeeezzze!
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Post# 43402-8/12/2004-21:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: Great washer Eddy - you'll have lots of fun with it! I've had two of these now and they are really good washers.
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Post# 43403-8/12/2004-21:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 14, 15, 16, 18, 20 lbs all the same
MESSAGE: Much of the Norge claims were re-designs of the agitators allowing more capacity, or so it seemed to them.
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Post# 43404-8/12/2004-21:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Amazing - congrats on the great ebaying!
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Post# 43405-8/12/2004-21:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: I use Bon-Ami to clean the porcelain cabinets & tops. Works great, no scratching. After they are clean, I use a coat of carnuba wax to give it a beautiful shine.
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Post# 43406-8/12/2004-21:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: any other bendix fans here? (Final Rinse)
MESSAGE: My dad and stepmother didn't have a dryer for many years-in fact when the home was built a dryer exhaust port was not put in the house.They used a clothesline in their basement.Later,grandmother bought them a dryer from Sears(She took them-insisted she was going to buy them a dryer)They still use that dryer-and their clothesline is still in the basement.They live in Rapid City S.Dak.They use one of those water filled lint trap exhaust devices for the dryer.Thats neat about putting salt in the rinse water for line drying clothes in the winter.How much did you use-wouldn't that damage some clothes?I was wondering if the salt could leave a residue in the fabric.I beleive the Levittown residents homes didn't have basements.I was guessing they would have to rig a clothesline in the kitchen or bathroom to dry their wash.With these ideas -you could save energy in winter by not having to run the dryer.
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Post# 43407-8/12/2004-21:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 14, 15, 16, 18, 20 lbs all the same
MESSAGE: Didn't Norge also put in a higher HP motor in their "larger" capacity models-Like 3/4 Hp instead of 1/2Hp.
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Post# 43408-8/12/2004-22:05 ||| washboi (Bridgewater, VA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin. Appreciate your help. Love those old appliances.......even the ones that are much older than me. LOL.
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Post# 43409-8/12/2004-22:11 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer)
MESSAGE: Jeff,
This is a real great machine. I hope you take pics of live water action.
Best of luck!
Peter
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Post# 43410-8/12/2004-22:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: can I add, DO NOT OVERLOAD OR CRAM !!!! (is cram a word-haha?) Anyways, my aunt, went through a washer every 4-6 years and always had the repairman over. She use to stuff that thing senseless ....... and it was just that, "senseless". How could the clothes get clean if they cannot move around at all?
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Post# 43411-8/12/2004-23:14 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (What a treasure!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jeff on that beautiful Bendix, it will look great along side all your other front loaders. Thanks so much for sharing the neat pictures and please post some more when you have it in its new home. Thanks Terry
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Post# 43412-8/13/2004-00:04 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (Visimatic by Kenmore)
MESSAGE: My neighbor has a really nice Visimatic in his basment that he wants to sell, hasn't been used in probably 25 years, it was left there when he bought the house. It has the owners manual and looks to be in great shape, really a classic. Let me know if anyone is interested, I might be able to get some pictures. It is white with lots of chrome.
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Post# 43413-8/13/2004-01:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (new washer)
MESSAGE: Doerr, that's an unusual supplier for the motor
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Post# 43414-8/13/2004-04:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: Stop making statements about events you didn't visit. That't not at all how things went.
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Post# 43415-8/13/2004-04:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action
MESSAGE: You're so clever!!
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Post# 43416-8/13/2004-04:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Jeff, that's a nice machine you got there. Hope to see some more pictures of it in the laundryroom!
Regards,
Louis
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Post# 43417-8/13/2004-04:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: dash (wringer roto swirl)
MESSAGE: It would look good on a front porch though LOL
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Post# 43418-8/13/2004-05:18 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I'm partial to Maytag.You can find large tub Maytags,just gotta look a little bit.Simple to work on,parts are still available,etc. BD Kenmore/Whirlpool would be a second choice.
kennyGF
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Post# 43419-8/13/2004-07:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys. (wash-in)
MESSAGE: OK, so what DID happen?
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Post# 43420-8/13/2004-07:16 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Great pics Jeff,It even has the new car smell! Should be lots of fun. Lucky Guy! Don
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Post# 43421-8/13/2004-07:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE: I traveled back with Jon to Mass. and stayed with him for a week. In that week he got the idea to organize a wash-in. Three other members living close to Jon came over and a good friend of Jon. That's all.
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Post# 43422-8/13/2004-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff, OHHHHhhh to say that machine is MINT is the understatement of the year! It's beautiful and so spotless and dust free! I wish there was a way to record scents forever, so you can keep that new washer smell for everyone to sample at the next convention.
By the way, I can tell if its harvest gold or avacado, at my work computer it looks harvest gold, at home it looks avacado. So what color is it really?
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Post# 43423-8/13/2004-09:07 ||| jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (It's avacado)
MESSAGE: It's avacado, it should look nice next to the harvest gold Norge. It is almost to nice to use, but it's been waiting for 30 years to wash some clothes, so how could I say no. Jeff
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Post# 43424-8/13/2004-09:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys.
MESSAGE:
"...events you didn't visit..."
Although you were right about the "stop talking" part, I hadn't even heard of this site in 2002 (but it was there), but if I became a member earlier and knew about the Convention ahead of time, I'd have been up there right away! Gimme a break!
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Post# 43425-8/13/2004-09:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Not to be off-topic, but have you tried "tweaking" your image/color settings to make, well "avocado look avocado," so to speak?
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Post# 43426-8/13/2004-09:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (It's avacado)
MESSAGE: There are probably more unused machines left undiscovered up North, and even more older,
used machines sitting in basements!
Down here, people use washers/dryers until they BREAK (I've seen people with brand-new washers and 20 y/o dryers), not to mention have laundries in their garages. This contributes to the fast "aging" of appliances.
--Austin
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Post# 43427-8/13/2004-09:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Quite funny seeing plastic on the familiar Bendix drain valve/pump assembly, and I've never seen a "Doerr" motor before. All in all, the underside looks like a new washer, except for all that metal!
Uni I wish you could record the scent for vintage Tide as well. Maybe everyone could save some vintage detergent boxes for "scent-keeping"...
--Austin
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Post# 43428-8/13/2004-09:50 ||| washboi (Bridgewater, VA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice ("
cramming"
)
MESSAGE: I personally know better than to cram a washer. However, my sister constantly does it. I am sometimes amazed that the clothes on top even get wet. To top that she always uses the Permanant Press cycle, which is a less agressive cycle....but when you have a huge loads of mixed jean, towels, and all that other stuff.....its one huge soaking wet mess. I have tried numerous times to give her "lessons", LOL, but she is very stubborn. (not to mention pregnant at the moment) :)
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Post# 43429-8/13/2004-10:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: What is your sister currently using?
--Austin
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Post# 43430-8/13/2004-12:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Boys and there toys. (Incorrect Statements of Facts)
MESSAGE: Austin, Louis was not suggesting that you wouldn’t have come to the convention if you knew about it at that time, we certainly hope that would have. What he and others have been trying to tell you lately is this: if you haven’t been to an event or haven’t actually seen and used a particular machine, its best not to make any statements of facts regarding the particular item, situation or event. Usually it’s best to let people with first hand experience answer those kinds of questions. Sometimes its ok to say “I think I read somewhere that...” or “I think I heard somewhere that...”, but statements like that should be used in moderation and only if you are
absolutely positive. When you graduate from school and start out in the working world you will definitely see why this is so important.
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Post# 43431-8/13/2004-12:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer
MESSAGE: Good idea, but I first I have to find out what color it really is before I do any monitor "tweaking".
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Post# 43432-8/13/2004-13:50 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: LIghts, Camera, Spash Action (Too Too Too Apexable)
MESSAGE: As if the Apex Dw restoration wasn’t enough work already! Thank you for your added efforts sharing the process. I have learned so much from you since joining. Your perseverance in breathing life back into these beloved vintage behemoths is truly ingenious! Apex DW with the operating light ... BRILLIANT !!!
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Post# 43433-8/13/2004-14:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (Philco Demise)
MESSAGE: When did production end for Philco "high-frequency" washers, Duomatics, and dryers?
--Austin
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Post# 43434-8/13/2004-15:56 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: Well, for reliability and ease of repair, I will let those with more experience answer. As far as being able to do someting towards cleaning those clothes,I would think the old GE Filter-Flo would be the one. It is aggressive during agitation and because of the Filter-Flo system, it will get the wash solution over on top of the load of clothes. Of course, with the tub too tightly packed, the wear and tear on the clothes down at the bottom will begin to show up in the filter-pan! Ask her how much money she has invested in that load of clothes. That may open her eyes to the effects of fabric damage due to overloading! Good Luck!
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Post# 43435-8/13/2004-16:27 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: I think you ought to suggest she get a Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive. Then when the coupling breaks from overloading she will have to pay to get it fixed or learn how to do it herself.
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Post# 43436-8/13/2004-17:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Weekend Pulsating With Fun
MESSAGE: Would Barkeepers Friend, identical to Bon Ami (except a little more expensive), work as well on porcelain? The Bendix top is in good shape but could stand a cleaning.
--Austin
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Post# 43437-8/13/2004-17:19 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Julia Child, The French Chef, passed away this morning at the age of 91. Julia showed us how to get more from our kitchen appliances, and understood the joy of good food. Bon appetit!
Ken D.
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Post# 43438-8/13/2004-17:31 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Julia was a good friend of mine. We have cooked together at the Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs West Virginia for many years. (11 I think) She quit traveling about three years ago, but I talk to her at least once every few months. The stories I could tell! She introduced us to new tastes, helped us discover what good quality food was, what it looked like, how to cook it, and last but not least, what to do if it didn't turn out quite as expected! I have lots of great memories and pictures that I will cherish the rest of my life. And......what a great inspiration.....she didn't start cooking until she was in her 40's! I will miss her terribly. Mark
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Post# 43439-8/13/2004-17:35 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: (Lyrics from the song "The In Crowd"by Dobie Gray in reference to Julia Child)
"Other guys imitate us, but the original's still the greatest!"
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Post# 43440-8/13/2004-18:57 ||| laundryboy (Syracuse NY)
SUBJECT:
Norge Wringer
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone, I recently bought a mint Norge Wringer and it says that you can wash and rinse all in one tub, I filled it and let her run and run, but it did not do anything different than a normal wringer, does anyone know what it means when it says that only one tub is needed? thanks for your help I will post some pics soon.
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Post# 43441-8/13/2004-19:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Wow, very interesting story Mark. I remember watching her show on PBS when I was little, however I don't remember what all she prepared!
--Austin
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Post# 43442-8/13/2004-19:10 ||| washboi (Bridgewater, VA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: My sister is currently using a TOL Whirlpool that is about 3 years old. It has already been reapaired once. Its actually my moms washer....she and her fiance are living with her for the rest of this month. Before the Whirlpool was a MOL Hotpoint that was bought in 1993. My mom was pissed when it broke after 7 years and needed a new motor. And that was even before my sister could get ahold of it. LOL. She wanted to buy mine from me....no way in hell i would give up my Bosch.
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Post# 43443-8/13/2004-19:11 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more. (Julia cooks no more)
MESSAGE: Lightedcontrols, so sorry for the loss of your friend. Ms.Child entertained me, many a Saturday morning on PBS. I was so sorry to learn of her passing away, on the news this evening. She was quite an entertaining Lady. alr2903.
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Post# 43444-8/13/2004-19:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need some Advice
MESSAGE: I'm surprised she just didn't get the Hotpoint fixed; reading the GE/Hotpoint repair manual, the motors are relatively easy to change out by yourself.
--Austin
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Post# 43445-8/13/2004-20:16 ||| Julianne (Finleyville PA)
SUBJECT:
frigidaire electric fold back surface units (stove)
MESSAGE: I have 2 units with 2 burners each. Lookiing for any info on value. They all work and are in fairly good condition. From the late 50's or early 60's. I also have a fridgidaire electric wall oven, stainless steel doors.
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Post# 43446-8/13/2004-22:31 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (WOW! )
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff!!! What a find was it really new in the box??? 30 years in the box??? Holy Cow! I can't wait to smell it up close! Have you turned it on yet?
jon
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Post# 43447-8/13/2004-22:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Mark
MESSAGE: Mark sorry you lost a personal friend and we lost a piece of American pie! I will never forget the episode on puff pastry when her rolling pin broke and she hurled it at the camera man and the picture when flying across my screen!!
Did anyone notice tonight?/ When they ran the highlights of her show on the news; her 1963 show had a pair of Coppertone CI Frigidaires in behind her?? They were mint and her hair was dark!
jet
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Post# 43448-8/13/2004-22:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Sorry for the loss of a friend, Mark. When we were at the Smithsonian in '02, they were just building her kitchen she had donated. It wasn't open but we peeked over the wall to get a glimpse.
I read today she didn't start cooking until later in life, after living in Paris with her diplomat husband. She had always been embarassed of her cooking skills and when entertaining for her husband's state events, etc. they tried to work around her poor cooking ability. Just shows you what determination can accomplish at any stage in life!
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Post# 43449-8/14/2004-02:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Accept my sympaties Mark. I had never even heard of Julia Child until 2002. I think it was after the convention that I saw an interview on TV while staying in the south of your country. Since I'm interested in cooking (and eating) the interview drew my attention. When back in Europe I searched the internet and discovered how important she has been for American cooking. I ordered "From Julia Child's Kitchen". And although I don't make recipes from it very often (the horror of converting quantities to the metric system) I really love reading it. On the PBS website you can watch video cuts of some of the shows she did.
LINK: http://www.pbs.org
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Post# 43450-8/14/2004-04:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: My sympathies also Mark - it is terrible to lose a close and longtime friend - that happened to me two years ago and you never really get over it. You learn to work around it but there will always be that empty spot.
Mrs. Child was the greatest - I had several opportunities to see her in person and there was no one more gracious, approchable and down to earth than she. Amazing what one person could do to change the we approached and appreciated food! There will never be another like her!
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Post# 43451-8/14/2004-06:07 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more.
MESSAGE: Mark
I speak now as a professional Chef. Julia brought back the dignity to american chefs. I have also met her and truly enjoyed the experience and her humor.
Philippe
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Post# 43452-8/14/2004-07:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Minneapolis 2004
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,just got all my pics up from my trip to Roberts' & Gregs' last week. Take a peek at all the machines they gave me!
There is a super shot of a "forbidden cycle" too!
jetcone
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jetcone/my_photos
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Post# 43453-8/14/2004-07:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004
MESSAGE: I don't see any new pictures. Have you set the album to public?
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Post# 43454-8/14/2004-09:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Julia Child cooks no more. (awww)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry to hear that Mark.
Also, my prayers go out to Julia's family. I never watched her a whole lot. I feel bad because my friends and I used to make fun of her when she came on. We make fun of everybody on TV.
I also felt loss when Justin Wilson died. Being from Louisiana, I loved to watch Justin cook. Good thing Justin and Julia are still cookin' on PBS... I Gah-ron-tee!
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Post# 43455-8/14/2004-10:42 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mark
MESSAGE: Julia called one day, (this was about 5 years ago) and told me that she was in Miami and was driving to Orlando to do a demonstration for the "nice people" at KitchenAid. She wanted to know where a good place to stop and have lunch would be. I told her to just stop by my house and have lunch and then asked her if there was anything special that she would like. Her response was: "Oh just anything that goes with gin!" (in that voice) I smoked some salmon with juniper berries but I think she enjoyed the gin more. I was also there when she told Emeril that she "didn't like her food bamed!" She really did have a great sense of humor. I haven't talked to her for several weeks as she has not been doing well and was just about unable to get around or travel. I surely miss her. Like Maria Callas and Vestal Goodman, I consider myself so lucky to have lived when they did as there will NEVER be anyone that could ever compare. Mark
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Post# 43456-8/14/2004-11:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mark
MESSAGE: Mark, I am very sorry for your loss, and thank you for sharing your wonderful first hand memories of Julia with us. I learned so much about her that I didn't know just reading the article in the paper the other day. There will never be another, and I'm glad we'll still be able to see by the magic of video and through her books.
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Post# 43457-8/14/2004-12:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mark
MESSAGE: My sympathies go to you as well; she had a great show as well as a large number of fans.
--Austin
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Post# 43458-8/14/2004-13:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004
MESSAGE: I didn't see the Minne photos; Yahoo automatically defaulting the albums to private gets VERY annoying after a while...
--Austin
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Post# 43459-8/14/2004-14:06 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mark
MESSAGE: Mark,
My condolences on the loss of a good friend. I have enjoyed reading about your memories and having a few laughs, also. I loved watching Julia so much over the years. She was truly special and will be missed by so many.
Rich
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Post# 43460-8/14/2004-14:23 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
another collection starts!
MESSAGE: Hi,
Thanks to our own Gregm, he recently hooked me up with a Frigidaire 1-18 similar to one I owned in 1975. Thanks again Greg!
BUT one washer doesn't make a collection...so today I was driving by and spotted a yard sale...I found a Model D9 Westinghouse slant front clothes dryer! It has a style # Q54783 and serial # S130437. I haven't hooked it up yet (need to wait for help to get it in the cellar later) but the woman who sold it to me told me she inherited her uncles old house (you can believe I checked out to see if she had anything other collectibles there, which she didn't!) In any case, the dryer is immaculate inside and the outside looks like it just needs to be cleaned up a bit. Doesn't look like it was used a lot. The woman told me that she ran it but hasn't used it, but that it works, it lights up and plays music at the end of the cycle. I'll see once I hook it up and will let you know. I can't wait to try it! She also gave me the original instruction booklet! By any chance, does anyone here know what year it is?
Thanks!
Rich
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Post# 43461-8/14/2004-14:43 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
I Am Back! And look at this!
MESSAGE: Okay at the vacation house there was nothing but a brand new GE which broke after 1 load, but it was still usable, the agitator dogs wore out probably from people over loading it or just that it is CRAP! Anyway I was browsing on ebay and I found these 70's and 80's Maytag Coin-ops in Avacado and Harvest Gold!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=55852&item=3832210573&rd=1
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Post# 43462-8/14/2004-15:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: another collection starts!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Rich on the 1-18! And none other than GregM would find all of this vintage stuff!
I've seen some working Westy slant-front dryers on eBay in excellent cosmetic shape like the one you found, although I wouldn't know the year of the musical version. Maybe another member will know.
--Austin
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Post# 43463-8/14/2004-15:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this!
MESSAGE: That's way too much for 15 working-condition-unknown machines, vintage or not.
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Post# 43464-8/14/2004-15:49 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
BD Kenmore problem
MESSAGE: Got a Kenmore belt drive washer that isn't pumping out the water. I took a quick look this morning,figured I'd find a pump froze up. Not the case,pump turns free.I noticed that the drain hose came from the sump,through the pump,and then went to an oval shaped thing on the side of the tub. Filter? Plugged? Can it be bypassed,or does it need replaced? And is it a big job? TIA
kennyGF
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Post# 43465-8/14/2004-17:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mark
MESSAGE: Mark, how wounderful of a friend Julia must have been. I'm so sorry to hear about her death.
Yes Jon I saw that on CBS news yesterday, they looked like a WCI-62 or WCI-63 set.
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Post# 43466-8/14/2004-17:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem
MESSAGE: That's the somewhat hard-to-find "pancake" self-cleaning filter. I have a BD Repair Manual and I'll look into it and let you know if you need anything scanned.
--Austin
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Post# 43467-8/14/2004-17:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: another collection starts! (1956)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick a D9 is 1956, congrats!
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Post# 43468-8/14/2004-17:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (Oops! Correction)
MESSAGE: That's not the pancake filter, but the more common tub-mounted self-cleaning filter. Let me know what your email address is so I can scan in some pages for you.
--Austin
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Post# 43469-8/14/2004-17:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: I know this is a bit off topic, but I just had to show you guys pictures of this wonderful Mint In Box find I had today at the sales. The box was never opened until today and all for $15 no less, boy how I love the Minneapolis estate sales...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Sunbeam
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Post# 43470-8/14/2004-17:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Wow, you sure hit the jackpot with today's finds!!! Never in my life have I found anything MIB at an estate/garage sale--people down here are WAY TOO CHEAP--very sad!
The Mixmaster is BEAUTIFUL, and it sure looks shiny! That rare blender attachment is also a wonderful find; the blender jar alone (w/o power unit) goes for $60+ on eBay according to past auctions! I have to ask: Is it a 1957 model?
--Austin
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Post# 43471-8/14/2004-17:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Amazing! Very nice finds! I never knew they sold the mixer and blender together in a box like that. I wonder if it was maybe a special holiday promotion or something. Anyway, what fun!
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Post# 43472-8/14/2004-17:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem
MESSAGE: Replacement is the only option that I know of, since this is a recirculating lint filter (even though you don't see the recirculation). This particular filter, the tub-mounted version, is available on RepairClinic (linked here).
I have some detailed pictures/instructions I'll scan and post on here of the removal procedure for the tub-mounted filter. But, you need to
check the manifold trap first!!! The trap and the bleed hole (this should always be kept clean) near the pump connection, could be clogged. During wash, the water is drawn in through the tub-mounted filter on the side(filtering the lint), goes through the pump, and exits back into the tub through the manifold trap. During drain (pump-out), it is drawn in through the manifold trap to the pump, through the filter, and out through the hose. I'll look the trap up on RepairClinic as well.
Hope this helps.
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Sunbeam
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Post# 43473-8/14/2004-20:09 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Suggestion)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Neat find! May I make a suggestion, if you intend to put the Mixmaster to work?
Scout around in the thrifts until you find a set of later-model Mixmaster bowls in stainless steel; they will fit your model. That will give you an unbreakable set in stainless for everyday use, protecting the Pyrex originals, which are a little harder to replace.
Apropos of Julia Child: While I cannot claim friendship with Mrs. Child, I did have the honour of meeting her in the 1980's, when I myself taught cooking. Our conversation was brief, perhaps all of three or four minutes, but she was totally focussed on it, asking genuinely interested questions and treating me as a professional equal. It was a lesson, once again, that the top people in a field are very generous in spirit- that it is the second-rate who are rude, condescending, or territorial. I'll miss her presence in this world; we need more people like her.
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Post# 43474-8/14/2004-20:42 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: So Cool to get to open a new old box and find such a treasure! You and your camera slay me sometimes Robert! This is my weekend find and it was mint under about 25 years of grease, Some of the things I have that really clean up good are things that were never cleaned and all that grease buildup protects the surface. It just takes some scrubbin, Bonami,Windex,Denatured alchol, acetone, dynamite, ect. Love the pics, Don
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/08@1979%20Cookmaster%20Radarange%20by%20Amana@DRMITCH.jpg
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Post# 43475-8/14/2004-20:47 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
Anyone want a Neon Frigidaire Sign?
MESSAGE: It's not mine but I noticed it in the City Paper. Also they don't mention the size..
Click on the link then scroll down to "Neon Signs"..
LINK: http://www.citypaper.com/classified/browse.asp?Page=2&Class=Marketplace%20Miscellaneous&Keyword=
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Post# 43476-8/14/2004-20:47 ||| snertie (ny)
SUBJECT:
Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: I have a LK washer, model # 110.84070120 what I need to know is how does it hook up? it has two hoses in the back but they connected to some plastic looking thing with a red button on the side. I need to find out if it works and i don't want a house full of water. if anyone can help i'd appreciate it. please e-mail me at tcstoolrepair@aol.com because i may not find my way back here!
thanks
T.C.
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Post# 43477-8/14/2004-20:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (Pump Flap)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
One thing I've found with a restoration recently, is that the flap inside the pump, that moves from wash to pump postion has broken off the lever, so the pump was always stuck in recirculate. The pump still spun freely, a new pump in and everything was fine.
If you take the pump off, and move the lever, the flap inside should move backwards and forwards.
Just a suggestion,
Nathan
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Post# 43478-8/14/2004-20:57 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Philco POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what this machine did to eject sediment as noted in the ad?
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Post# 43479-8/14/2004-20:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004
MESSAGE: Alas...."website not responding". Hope you enjoy your machines, Jetcone!
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Post# 43480-8/14/2004-21:09 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! ('70s Maytag Coin-Ops)
MESSAGE: I recognized the '70s model in the pictures. The very first apartment I lived in (1991) had a similar model in the basement, in white. If my memory serves me correctly, the knob at left had about nine cycles. The water temperature was built into the cycle selection. The safety switch was located in the center back of the lid frame, and I used to hold it down with a key. It had the dark grey tub, with a stubby, black, 4-vaned agitator. The turnover that the old Maytags had always amazed me, and they had such simple agitators. I would attribute it to the wide, flat base. I just wish more people who posted machines on E-Bay would include interior shots!
Pete
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Post# 43481-8/14/2004-21:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: I'm feeling a bit "Sandbox-y" as well ;-)
I posted previously about this, but a hotel in Port Aransas we stayed at 2 weeks ago had a set of Commercial GE Coin-Ops with the "plastic" transmission. After finding the hidden lidswitch, I started it up. While the agitator stroke was a little slower than my DD Kenmore and it had the Dual-Action agitator, the turnover was horrible, the tub shook violently, and the currents were extremely weak. There is an obvious difference between the new models and the "plastic" models, as the tub doesn't shake as much and it washes a
little bit better.
Fast-forward 2 days, and our beach house had a new set of Frigidaire Crown TL's. While they were somewhat entertaining and had a long agitator stroke, I don't think they cleaned well
at all, and the spin looks much faster in photos. Also, the water levels were too low; I had to add more water for the wash so a large load would circulate better. The indexing tub is also a drawback; I held it in place and the turnover was actually decent. The clever captions are a joke for the true GM Frigidaire fans...
I'll let the pictures explain the rest!
--Austin
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@BOL%20FrigiLux%20Set@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 43482-8/14/2004-21:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: That's a portable faucet connector that snaps onto a kitchen or laundry sink faucet. It fills and drains into the sink, and temperature is regulated at the faucet. The red button is for testing the water. Here's a shot of one connected and draining into the sink. You might need to buy a special screw-on connector for the snap-lock mechanism if you don't already have one.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=38@GE%20Portable%20Faucet%20Connector%20(draining%20into%20sink)@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 43483-8/14/2004-21:45 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: Just in case you make it back here and for the education of anyone not familiar with the Kenmore. One connection is for drain and the other is for suds saving. I forget which is which but the drain hose would go on one, and the suds hose on the other. The suds return hose would go to the laundrly tub which would have the stopper to retain the sudsy water from the wash. The suds hose has to extend all the way to the bottom of the tub so when you put the washer timer on suds for the next load it will suck the sudsy water back into the machine for the next wash. The drain goes to a stand pipe or if you have double tubs, the other tub (no stopper of course)
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Post# 43484-8/14/2004-21:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: How does this explain the plastic connector and the red button?
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Post# 43485-8/14/2004-21:49 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: Sorry, I misread the post. I missed the red button part. Sorry. Westy is proabably correct on this one
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Post# 43486-8/14/2004-21:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: Although you were close; Kenmore was making Suds-Saver washers until the demise of Belt-Drive in 1986, according to a BD Repair Manual from that year.
--Austin
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Post# 43487-8/14/2004-22:01 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (Pump Flap)
MESSAGE: The flapper is a good thought, Also the little hole on the pin catcher can become plugged as I think westy mentioned. The filter in the side of the tub can be remoned and taken apart to check for clogging. There are clips that hold the two parts of the filter together. This is not too bad a job if the tub comes out easily. I use a pin punch on the big nut holding the assembly to the tub. Usually tubs are not difficult to remove.
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Post# 43488-8/14/2004-22:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: That's a NIB find to beat all!!
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Post# 43489-8/14/2004-22:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer
MESSAGE: Also had models in the Direct-Drive series with built-in suds saver. There was an "add-on" accessory that could be purchased for suds saving as well, possibly after the factory equipped models were discontinued. I saw a suds saver model DD at a thrift store not long ago and wondered if whomever bought that washer hooked it up and actually knew what it was.
"I'm returning this, it flooded my house!"
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Post# 43490-8/14/2004-23:30 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (Fridgidaire looks like a simpson on the inside)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
The inside of the fridgidaire looks like the wash tubs of the simpsons we have in Australia. The balance ring appears identical. These are the Pulgitator machines, that have very long, very slow strokes. (I think about 420deg or more.
These machines all have indexing tubs, and the machines work fine, if you overload though, the pulgitator goes backwards and forwards but the clothes dont move.
My question is, on the early machines the motor went one way for wash, (The gearbox provided agitator motion) and the other for spin/drain.
On the machines from 1985 or so onwards, the motor reverses every 3 or 4 seconds. (This provides agitation)
What method does the fridgidaire use?
I've attached a pic of one from the late 80's thats on ebay, have a look at the washbowl for comparison
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3833724257&rd=1
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Post# 43491-8/14/2004-23:52 ||| kreftgr (Southeast Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (Checking the side mount filter )
MESSAGE: To check the side mounted filter, if you start and stop the washer, with water in the tub, and pay close attention to the filter on the side of the outer tub,(with the top popped up so you can see the filter) if the filter is plugged and won't drain, and the pump is good you will be able to see the filter expand when you start the washer in the drain cycle and you will see it contract when turned off. Also, see if you see water spraying into the spin basket through the holes, at the same spot that the filter is mounted to the outer tub. If it does spray through in that area, the check valve portion of the valve is not working properly. If you need to replace the filter, after you remove the spin basket, I have found that a good pair of long nose pliers opened far enough to place a tip in a holes on opposite sides of the nut that mounts the filter to the outer tub, works very well. You can also buy a special tool for removing the nut but there are plenty of other good ways to remove it. Good Luck, Glen.
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Post# 43492-8/15/2004-02:43 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (whomever could be me.........)
MESSAGE: Another lesson please. How does a suds saver work ? were there different ways of accomplishing this ?
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Post# 43493-8/15/2004-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Robert, you hit the jackpot again! Wonderful stuff! What a thick cord on that mixer. How big is the motor? The system used for the blender is very interesting, but looks vulnerable too. Is it able to handle heavy duty tasks?
Congratulations with these MIB finds,
Louis
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Post# 43494-8/15/2004-03:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Cool find Don, an Amana Radarange. And you made it look like new!! I love the styling of them.
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Post# 43495-8/15/2004-03:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: Austin,
I enjoyed your pictures, I like both old and new washers and the modern Frigidaires were rather unknown to me. These pictures filled a gap. OTOH I think you must realize that some members may be shocked that WCI Frigidaire pictures are placed in an Applianceville album! Pass me the smelling salt!!
Louis
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Post# 43496-8/15/2004-05:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (Checking the side mount filter )
MESSAGE: Thanks for the suggestions,everyone. I'll look at it later this week,and let everyone know what's going on.
kennyGF
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Post# 43497-8/15/2004-08:12 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: another collection starts! (1956)
MESSAGE: Rick, how bout some pics of both machines? Congratulations!
Les
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Post# 43498-8/15/2004-08:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (cam bar )
MESSAGE: When I replaced the gearcase the last time, I made sure the cam bars were well lubricated at all their contact points.
I've never had a pump fail by leakage, they always, with the exception of one time, fail by shaft seizure. The one case that was different was very strange, the flapper inside the pump that shifts the water flow from recirculate to drain was slipping on its shfft, so it wouldn't fully close in either position. Thsi made so that water would just be pumped back into the tub instead of draining during neutral drain or part would go back to tub and part would drain, so it wouldn't finish draining before spin would begin.
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Post# 43499-8/15/2004-08:17 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
Maytag POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what year this Maytag is? I'm guessing an early 60's. I don't remember seeing a model with the pre-wash on the timer on a model before they started making the timer knobs white plastic which I think was in 65.
Les
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Post# 43500-8/15/2004-08:40 ||| Jodie (new york)
SUBJECT:
ice box
MESSAGE: I RECENTLY WENT TO A FRIENDS PROPERTY. THEY HAD JUST PURCHASED SOME LAND WITH A 100+ YEAR OLD HOUSE. IN IT THERE IS A WHAT I THINK IS AN ICEBOX WITH A BRAND NAME OF GURNEY. IT IS JUST BEATIFUL. IF ANY ONE HAS INFORMATION I WOULD APPRICIATE IT
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Post# 43501-8/15/2004-09:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (km not draining)
MESSAGE: That's the "Magic Filter" that's mounted on the side of the outer tub. I've never heard of one of those clogging up, though I imagine it's possible. replacement requires removal of inner basket, otherwise not hard. Make sure the agitate cam bar is flipping the lever on the pum when machine goes into neutral drain and that the drain manifold at the bottom isn't clogged. The filter is in 2 pieces that are clipped together, so it can be disassembled without removal to check for clogging. And I ran into a weird prpb;em once with a pump in taht the internal flapper was slipping on its shaft so it wouldn't switch from recirculate to drain properly, but that's sort of a long shot.
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Post# 43502-8/15/2004-09:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: Thanks; While I think modern Frigidaires are fun to watch, the indexing tub puts a lid on the cleaning ability. They're good in a vacation home for light use (but since this was a beach house I averaged about 1-2 loads per day because of the sand), but I think full-time FrigiLux TL users would realize that their washer isn't getting out the stains on their shirts. Consumer Reports tested automatic washers in June, and the Frigidaire TL tested only scored "fair" in washing ability.
I think it's somewhat ironic that Frigidaire's mechanism changed from constant clothes turnover (GM) to no turnover whatsoever (modern). For the experts, do the modern Frigidaires still use the Franklin mechanism?
The pictures won't be here for long; I'm really running out of album space! ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 43503-8/15/2004-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (KM/WP pancake filter)
MESSAGE: nope, not hard to find, I've seen it repair sites and Sears own site.
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Post# 43504-8/15/2004-09:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem (km not draining)
MESSAGE: Since it's self-cleaning and had recent use, I'm thinking it's a clogged manifold trap and not the filter.
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Post# 43505-8/15/2004-09:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (off topic)
MESSAGE: You won't hear any "off topic" complaints from me! Great find!
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Post# 43506-8/15/2004-09:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: While I don't know how reliable/unreliable the blender is, I will say that the blenders (especially the power units; the jar/blade assemblies are more common) are hard to find and go for high amounts on eBay, so that might account for something.
As far as power, I have a Hamilton Beach Model G (a little smaller than Robert's Sunbeam; with the original hang-tag info card) and so far, I haven't met a batter/dough that it can't handle. While it's nowhere near mint, it works nicely, and I'll post some pictures later today.
--Austin
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Post# 43507-8/15/2004-09:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Amana Radarange)
MESSAGE: Good old Amana, the only microwave oven where a door that opened down like a regular oven
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Post# 43508-8/15/2004-10:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: the red button can be used to test the water temp, but its other purpose is to relieve the pressure before uncoupling so one doesn't get squirted
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Post# 43509-8/15/2004-10:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: Oops; forgot to mention that use. I do that all the time before disconnecting it. And it does have some pressure too...
--Austin
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Post# 43510-8/15/2004-10:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (Fridgidaire looks like a simpson on the inside)
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire has the "indexing" wash action, where the agitator moves around with each stroke of the tub. It's hard to describe, but the agitator doesn't stay in one place moving back & forth. It isn't a Pulgitator since it has larger vanes, and utilizes a gearbox instead of a reversing motor.
It washes OK, however there's no turnover (when I held the tub in place and the agitator remained stationary it turned over well), and it has a hard time submerging the load. The water is pumped out by a separate electric pump during a neutral drain phase, however the first WCI machines spin-drained. I think the main drive motor goes in one direction for agitation/indexing, and reverses for spin. Maybe the "WCI Experts" could answer on this one.
--Austin
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Post# 43511-8/15/2004-11:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Excellent Amana! I just love these older models, built to last! I have the first of the Touchmatic models, I've wanted since I was 14...
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Post# 43512-8/15/2004-11:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Amana Radarange)
MESSAGE: My aunt has one of the first GE microwave ovens and it also has a drop door like the Amana Radarange. Has a 2 speed 30 min timer and a push to cook button and THAT"S IT.
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Post# 43513-8/15/2004-11:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: The mechanism's basic design is similar to Franklin, but it has been cheapened over the years. They never did well in the ratings, usually dead last on most accounts but if you want a washer and dryer for under $500 today, this is what you get. SteveD, one of our Applianceville members has a Frigidaire washer & dryer made by WCI that performs well and is used often so they weren't ALL bad.
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Post# 43514-8/15/2004-11:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Amana Radarange)
MESSAGE: GM Frigidaire sourced microwave ovens from Amana in the 70's. We were talking about Amanas last weekend when the guys were here and I think it was Jon (jetcone) that recently found an RR-1 Amana unit - the very first home model.
Pictures Jon??
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Post# 43515-8/15/2004-11:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: A BOL Roper/Whirlpool/Kenmore Galaxy set is less expensive than the Frigidaires...
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Post# 43516-8/15/2004-11:53 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (cam bar)
MESSAGE: Hello,
I've had the same troubles before, what i forgot to do was replace the actual cam bar as well, what had happened was it formed a ridge causing the plunger to wear out earlier. Hope that helps =)
Steven
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Post# 43517-8/15/2004-11:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: I Am Back! And look at this! (A week of plastic tubs (and trannys...))
MESSAGE: But not super capacity and much more BOL than the Frigidaire.
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Post# 43518-8/15/2004-13:01 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Great find!!)
MESSAGE: What a great find Robert!! One would wonder why the owner never even opened the box over all these years. My Mom had the same model 12 which I now have and it still works just great. She got it in 1964. I have heard many collectors say that the model 12 was the last really good Sunbean Mixmaster!! You have just got to love those estate sales!!!
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Post# 43519-8/15/2004-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Robert, an awesome find. Tht mixmaster was the exact same model across the street from us--you mnow, the house with the 58 TOL Westy washer; taht frog-eyed last model Kenmore dryer; the two signature washers and the Hotpoint touch-command dryer. Seeing those bowls, especially the large one with those little gripper sections on its edge, brought back a lot of childhood memories being around that mixer. And those manuals with the few recipes. Nothing like 1950s fat and cholesterol. Kinda makes me sad, I wanna go home!!!
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Post# 43520-8/15/2004-17:58 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
Charlie came to see us
MESSAGE: Just got back on line after Hurricane Charlie flew over. All of my Vintage appliances came out ok. The only ting that happened to any of them was some water getting on the washer and dryer as the window in the door by them blew open it is the tilt in kind and just floped down the porch where the appliances a kept was also filled with the plants and outdoor furniture. I feel kind of lucky since the eye of the storme come dir. over us. the winds in my area were 90mi. sus. and 105mi gust.
hope no one else had to go through this
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/detail?.dir=/db06&.dnm=1daf.jpg
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Post# 43521-8/15/2004-18:13 ||| snertie (ny)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it. My new question is, how old are these units and what are they worth, anything? The washer humms then does nothing, bad motor? Dryer works fine. I just need to know before I put them curbside. Is there any chance I could trade them in somewhere? I need a frontloader anyway and was hoping to save a few bucks. Any and all input would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
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Post# 43522-8/15/2004-18:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: It hums because you probably haven't put any water in it--the humming sound is the water valve. Try setting the timer to "spin" and starting it--good way of testing a machine, however do this with the faucet connector over a sink since some water might come out.
--Austin
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Post# 43523-8/15/2004-18:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Charlie came to see us
MESSAGE: That must have been horrible; glad your house didn't flood or sustain any severe damage.
Well the dryer seems to be OK as I noticed clothes tumbling in it...
--Austin
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Post# 43524-8/15/2004-19:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
78 LK repair
MESSAGE: OK, I replaced the rivet on the spin plunger and things seem to be fine, at least for the moment. Anybody want to start a pool on what's going to break next? Only a few original parts left!
Good bets would be:
latching relay
motor relay
timer
motor/capacitor
dispenser solenoid/valve
water pressure switch
These are about the only original parts left on the machine. May the best man win!
I'll have to think of some kind of prize, any suggestions.
Wait, I've got it, I have a spare fabric softener dispenser that came with the replacement Dual Action agitator. Since the machine has the Triple Dispenser, I have no use for it and it's just hanging around so whoever wins the pool, gets it.
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Post# 43525-8/15/2004-19:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK repair
MESSAGE: But doesn't the Fabric Softener part on the Triple Dispenser not work??
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Post# 43526-8/15/2004-19:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
1-18 Look-Alikes
MESSAGE: Earlier models of WCI Frigidaire set, possibly mid-late 80's. Washer works great; dryer needs a new bearing. $50; Georgia. Has a strange-looking agitator that utilizes the indexing wash action (vanes curve in the direction of the index); remember seeing this agitator in an 80's CR article and they said it didn't improve performance. They did say that the GE ramp agitators as well as the Dual-Actions worked well...
Didn't the earlier WCI Frigidaires have a recirculating filter, mounted in the same place the 1-18 filters were?
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3833994764&rd=1
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Post# 43527-8/15/2004-20:38 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes
MESSAGE: $50??? Looks like crusher food to me. And needs bearings too.
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Post# 43528-8/15/2004-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: The link isn't working
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Post# 43529-8/15/2004-21:12 ||| snertie (ny)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: I didn't connect the water because I don't have the faucet adapter for it but I did turn the dial and nothing happened, no spin or anything. I just want to know now roughly how old they are and if they're worth anything, I have no patience LOL
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Post# 43530-8/15/2004-21:12 ||| snertie (ny)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: I didn't connect the water because I don't have the faucet adapter for it but I did turn the dial and nothing happened, no spin or anything. I just want to know now roughly how old they are and if they're worth anything, I have no patience LOL
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Post# 43531-8/15/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos of Philco-Bendix commercial washer (new washer)
MESSAGE: I have seen their motors on pumps-Saw a swimming pool pump that had one. When I lived in Rapid City S.Dak during Jrhigh-thru High School-the house we lived in-the sprinkler system pump had a Doerr motor. The motor is still in use at my dads other RC home-again on a pump.survived thru a flood. Now used as a fire pump.The pump pulls water from a 300 gal tank. The motor is 2-3 hp.
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Post# 43532-8/15/2004-21:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Kenmore problem
MESSAGE: Somehow yours and Unimatics lines got crossed-The link shows pictures of a new Sunbeam MM mixer and blender attachment!From the quality of the pictures-looks like you are unpacking the machine after just buying it from a store!Making me drool!That blender attachment is so CLEVER. Never seen a blender attachment for a MM mixer.Truely a wonderful machine.That mixer sure goes perfectly with that beautiful GE Range!Brings you back into time-and the goodies you could fix up on that MM and range!
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Post# 43533-8/15/2004-22:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes
MESSAGE: At $50 looks like expensive crusher food.Would be an appetizer for that SSI krusher Shredder I showed a while ago.Their start prices are MUCH too high.
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Post# 43534-8/15/2004-23:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1978 Lady K solution (cam bar)
MESSAGE: In this case, the cam bar is not original, either. When I put in gearcase #3, I had ordered new cam bars, but as it turned out, they were included with the re-built gearcase.
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Post# 43535-8/15/2004-23:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (going home)
MESSAGE: Just click your heels together 3 times....
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Post# 43536-8/15/2004-23:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (age and worth)
MESSAGE: Sears parts list shows a date of May 1980.
After turning dial to Spin, make sure the lid is closed. If you hear the motor, but nothing turns, it's possible it's just a broken belt.
Worth depends on who needs something like that. Those type of machines are "special circumstance" units for people who live in apartments or places where there is no permanent laundry hookup. They were quite expensive as new machines, selling for as much or more than the cheaper full-size automatics of the time. I assume there is a matching dryer. Exactly where in NY are you?
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Post# 43537-8/15/2004-23:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK repair (Triple Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Yeah, it is, never thought of it, I COULD use the agitator mounted dispenser until I fix the Triple dispenser. DUH!
But still, it's up for grabs after that.
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Post# 43538-8/16/2004-01:04 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (age and worth)
MESSAGE: If the motor humms on spin but no action, probably the belt. If it humms for a few seconds then quits humming it could be a stuck pump. Are you sure you pulled the timer knob out when trying it?
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Post# 43539-8/16/2004-06:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (WCI Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: The inside of the washer likes like any new Frigidaire washer. That agitator doesn't look like it does much with its small fins. Still, it is a washer and I have yet to see one of these working. But then again, it won't do much from the looks.
The dryers suck. My mom has one and it's so plastic and cheap sounding. It makes this annoying "woooooooo" noise throughout the whole cycle. To go from a classic Kenmore dryer to this?
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Post# 43540-8/16/2004-08:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (WCI Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: It's more like a resonating "Wawawawawawawawawa" noise during operation. Our Montgomery Ward dryer (the inside looked just like a WCI dryer) & my grandmother's White-Westinghouse dryer, both from the 80's, sounded like this.
--Austin
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Post# 43541-8/16/2004-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Suggestion)
MESSAGE: Hi Sandy, no this mixmaster is too pristine to be used, I'll keep it packed in the box exactly as I found it. I have three other Model 11 Mixmasters that get used quite often. As for the glass bowls they are a dime a dozen here at the sales. I see them so often that we use a mixmaster bowl set for our dogs' dishes. I'm sort of a glass snob anyway, I really prefer glass anyway, I use as much pyrex and glass cooking pots and pans as I can.
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Post# 43542-8/16/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: That is a real find Don! I have one too, the RR-4 model, and now I would only use vintage Amana Radarange. One the nicest things about them is you do not have to rotate the food as its cooking, it always seems to heat rather evenly. When we moved in here there was a 2001 model, 1000 watt Kenmore Microwave. Hold on to your britches boys as it was in the trash the next day! Give me a Radarange anyday.
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Post# 43543-8/16/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco POD
MESSAGE: It used a sedement ejector tube like so many of the solid basket machines did. I take a picture of one when I have a chance so you can see how it works.
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Post# 43544-8/16/2004-08:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Suggestion)
MESSAGE: Or why not display the set if you have a high shelf to put all of it on, and keep the original box with the wrapping inside?
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Post# 43545-8/16/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Very powerful motor in these vintage mixmasters Louis. I have never had one stall and I have made quite a few thick cookie dough recipes.
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Post# 43546-8/16/2004-08:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Charlie came to see us (Safe and Sound)
MESSAGE: Hi John, glad to hear you, your home and all of your fabulous dishwashers and laundromat set made it through Charlie safe and sound!
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Post# 43547-8/16/2004-08:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lady Kenmore washer (red button)
MESSAGE: The model number suggests they are from 1980. Lately the best way to determine the value of anything is to place them on eBay.
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Post# 43548-8/16/2004-08:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
And speaking of pristine & MIB...
MESSAGE: A 1962 Aqua Hoover Floor Polisher, unused, in original box! This one has the cleaning solution tank and everything looks great!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43524&item=4319007583&rd=1
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Post# 43549-8/16/2004-12:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (WCI Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Yeah, something like that. You can hear the noise coming out of the dryer vent.
Very annoying.
Not at all fun like a belt drive Kenmore going "woowoowoo" during agitation. While that is alot of noise, it's pleasant and of course brings back memories.
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Post# 43550-8/16/2004-12:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (WCI Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: That Penta-Swirl agitator on my uncle's washer was fun to watch, not to mention the "Oooooooooeeeeeeeee" sound it made when the lid was raised during spin...
--Austin
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Post# 43551-8/16/2004-15:12 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (What an amazing find!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I don't know if you know this or not, but a month or so ago, a white model 12 without the blender went for over $300 on eBay. It was also new in the box so you certainly have a find.
I have a couple of model 11s and two model 12s. I have had them restored by a man in Canada and they are amazing machines. However, nothing can take the place of having one new in the box.
I have basically retired my big KitchenAid except for making pizza and bread dough. Everything else I do in my Sunbeam mixers, and I really enjoy the experience every time I pull one out.
What a great find.
Ralph
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Post# 43552-8/16/2004-17:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004 (Fixed the LINK to Public)
MESSAGE: Sorry everyone Robert & Louis informed me no one could view my photos as the album was not set to Public. Now I have gotten back from the Cape and changed it to Public so you can all view them and view all the machines they gave me again! The album is marked August...
Here is the link again
jetcone
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jetcone/my_photos
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Post# 43553-8/16/2004-17:18 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004 (Fixed the LINK to Public YAY !!!!!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: The pics are great !! Looks like you had a great time ! LOVE the Washers. Just cant get enough ! Tom
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Post# 43554-8/16/2004-17:57 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another collection starts!
MESSAGE: Thanks to all who replied, I appreciate it! As soon as I can get them hooked up and figure out how to take the pictures, I'll get them done.
Rich
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Post# 43555-8/16/2004-17:59 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Congrats Robert! My mom had the same mixer for many years, I've never seen the blender attachment before. What a great find!
Rich
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Post# 43556-8/16/2004-18:01 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Charlie came to see us
MESSAGE: John,
I'm glad you came through the storm ok. Your westy dryer looks like one I just picked up.
Rich
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Post# 43557-8/16/2004-18:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004 (Excellent)
MESSAGE: Wow, looks like you really had fun, especially with all that laundry to do! LOVE the '58 SQ, '59 Philco & '56 "Spin-Tube" DW!
Getting a bit off-topic, what is that strange-looking contraption on top of Greg's Duomatic? Someone refresh my memory please, as I have seen these somewhere...
Also, did Robert find the Mint-in-Box Mixmaster at the Lustron home?
--Austin
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Post# 43558-8/16/2004-18:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mint In Box Day at the Estate Sales (Suggestion)
MESSAGE: I know you don't want to use it, but have you at least tested it to make sure it runs?
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Post# 43559-8/16/2004-18:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: If you took the back off the washer,and the base wasn't covered in grease,I would be very surprised. Common problem with these.
Also,what "bearing" would the dryer need? Dont these use rollers and a front support for the tub?
kennyGF
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Post# 43560-8/16/2004-19:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: I know the "plastic GE" dryers used front tub supports because on our dryer ('96 model), these wore away, causing the tub to slide forward and make an awful squeaking sound. We didn't know what was happening until a few months later, when we saw the top part of the drum coming through the door frame! Needless to say we replaced it VERY quickly...
--Austin
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Post# 43561-8/16/2004-19:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: ULTRA-RARE 1970's GE Dispensall washer, works great with no problems! I'll have to ask/post pictures of the dispenser tray to see if it's all "there". $40, DFW area.
Since it's in Texas, relatively cheap and easy to repair, and I have the Filter-Flo/Dispensall repair manual, maybe I could be its next owner...
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3834164185&fromMakeTrack=true
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Post# 43562-8/16/2004-19:58 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: Kool! But for $10.00 difference buy the thing right now and keep it from getting out from under you! Best wishes!
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Post# 43563-8/16/2004-20:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis 2004 (Fixed the LINK to Public)
MESSAGE: Excellent pics Jon - thanks for posting them. Love the artsy shots of dials!
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Post# 43564-8/16/2004-20:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: Looks like one of the last Dispensall models - at least it's not gold... You'll enjoy playing with this machine, good luck!
You might ask if they'll remove the chain from the green Whirlpool dryer so you don't end up with both!
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Post# 43565-8/16/2004-20:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE:
You might ask if they'll remove the chain from the green Whirlpool dryer so you don't end up with both!
You're right, the last thing I need is a dryer, especially an electric Avocado one! ;-)
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Post# 43566-8/16/2004-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: ...but at least it's not gold! ;-)
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Post# 43567-8/16/2004-20:54 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenny,
The Westinghouse dryer uses a round shaped ball & socket filled with grease at the rear of the drum. The front of the drum runs on plastic glides attached to a felt seal. Since they are small drums to begin with, ppl tend to overload them. The grease dries out and then starts to squeak.
The plastic glides also tend to wear thin and then the drum rides on the felt seal. I wish they would change the design as these dryers are coupled with the front loading washers.
John
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Post# 43568-8/16/2004-21:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: Hey, that's the Brady Bunch dryer. If I lived closer to DFW I'd take it home.
I know I'm in the minority because I like avocado but oh well... I like it. Avocado and orange Formica forever!
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Post# 43569-8/16/2004-22:03 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: Jason:
Something tells me you weren't around when avocado was Big. It sort of began in '67, and by '68, it was a tidal wave of green, covering everything, blotting out all other colours. We had an avocado CAR for a while there; friends had a avocado-painted house- with avocado shag and avocado appliances. It began to ease off by the early 70's, but if you lived through those years, you didn't want to see green again for a while, LOL.
Sandy
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Post# 43570-8/16/2004-22:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: And I"m in another minority here. I prefer Harvest Gold to Avocado.
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Post# 43571-8/16/2004-22:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Hi everyone Robert showed me how to set the pictures of my tripup on our site so you can see them in full size with no ads!
Take a peek here!
jon
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_MinnieTrip2004
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Post# 43572-8/17/2004-00:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco POD (sediment ejector tube)
MESSAGE: I'm curious myself as to what a "sediment ejector tube" looks like. The only thing I've seen is the little hole under the agitator of solid tub GE machines
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Post# 43573-8/17/2004-00:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (GE Dispensall)
MESSAGE: Sometimes I wonder who writes ads for people.
It's a GE "electric" washer (there were gas models?)
Has new belt and heating element (heating element in an American TL washer?)
Is it just me or are people getting less intelligent as the years go by? Is there something in the air we don't know about yet? The water? Jeeze....
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Post# 43574-8/17/2004-00:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: I'm with you. Actually I like COLOR, period. Anything beats white and ALMOND. And if it's "shaded", all the better. My main thing is not so much the color, but that the colors MATCH. No Avocado washers next to Coffee dryers and stuff like that.
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Post# 43575-8/17/2004-07:39 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Wonderful Pix! Was that a late 40's Chrysler (or maybe Plymouth). Really nice shots of the Speed Queens. I never saw any of those back in the day but would have remembered them if I did just from the wonderful styling. Many thanks to you for sharing! -Steve
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Post# 43576-8/17/2004-08:25 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco POD (sediment ejector tube)
MESSAGE: A sediment ejector is a small tube that runs from the bottom of the inner washtub and up the side. It is for sand and other sediment that is heavier than water that isn't flushed out with an overflow rinse. A hole in the bottom of the inner tub catches sand etc. and then spins it up the tube by centrifigle (sp) force and sprays out onto the outer tub to remove it. I wonder why Frigidaire washers never had them; they were so progressive with other features.
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Post# 43577-8/17/2004-08:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: I was born in 1970 so I was a kid during the end of the avocado craze. I guess that's why they're so appealing to me. Of course, my "Classic Appliances" TV show is the Brady Bunch. Now more than ever, I love every second of footage from the kitchen and naturally my favorite episode is the one where Bobby (not Appnut) overloads that green Whirlpool with suds.
The only appliance I have that is in their kitchen is an early 70s Sunbeam Mixmaster. Just like the Brady's.
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Post# 43578-8/17/2004-08:39 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load!
MESSAGE: I washed 2 small loads this weekend without it bolted down and it worked great, lots of water action. Had to stay close to make sure it didn't get to excited during spin. I have posted a GIF of the wash action in my collections file, Photo# 9. It's my first try at converting video to GIF, so it's a little crude. Jeff
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Post# 43579-8/17/2004-08:54 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Steve you are more than welcome, our club server displays much better than Yahoo can.
Next up Pictures of the Blackstone in action!
jon
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Post# 43580-8/17/2004-09:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (OHHHH Jeff! WEOWY!)
MESSAGE: Jeff I just made your gif into my desktop item! What a nice wash!
I need to call you and Cal I have been swamped with company this summer sorry for not getting back to you both sooner!
jon
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Post# 43581-8/17/2004-09:07 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: I'd say my favorites are poppy red, turquoise, and copper-tone. We lived in a neighborhood where almost everyone had coppertone appliances (1966) mostly from Sears, with gas ranges. The houses all had wood floors which people couldn't wait to put carpet over. We were the oddballs having turquoise appliances by Modern Maid (electric cooktop), and wall to wall pure white carpeting (no hard wood underneath). I used to love going next door to help our neighbor wash in her lighted Lady K and buff her wood floors. Oh, the good old days!
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Post# 43582-8/17/2004-10:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: My favorite piece was the GE dispenser refrigerator. That was new technology then and I was quite fascinated by it. Though we never saw it I had to assume there was a dishwasher on the other side of that island. A house in that bracket at that time not having one would have been unthinkable.
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Post# 43583-8/17/2004-10:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: In the 1960s it seems it was expected that one have wall to wall carpet in one's home regardless of the quality or beauty of the floors beneath, and to not do so would cause speculation in morning coffee circles regarding the financial status or earning capability of one's husband. Why sometimes even the kitchen would be wall to wall carpeted! :)
These days that seems almost to have flip flopped. There are finishes today that make the floors easier to care for, which is important with the lackluster attitudes toward housework and homemaking in general today. Some say the bare floors are better for allergies, others say carpet is better as it helps filter or trap such things.
I have yet to live in an uncarpeted home or apartment, though I am more open to the idea now, something I would not have been even 5 or 10 years ago. I still can't make up my mind if I would like it or not, then of course there is the issue of having to coordinate area rugs into a decor, in addition to all the other coordinating one must do.
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Post# 43584-8/17/2004-11:05 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Now I've Got It!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone
Thank you for reposting - real great pictures. Glad you had a great time
Peter
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Post# 43585-8/17/2004-11:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load!)
MESSAGE: Jeff
Real great wash action. It's been a long time since I saw a FL wash with that much action. Best of luck with the washer.
Peter
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Post# 43586-8/17/2004-11:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Hey Jon,
Great pictures, looks like a you made a great trip. And the good thing is we can see it all full screen now!
Louis
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Post# 43587-8/17/2004-11:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (GE Dispensall)
MESSAGE: I've read about a hot water heater many times. I'm glad mine heats cold water!
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Post# 43588-8/17/2004-11:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load!
MESSAGE: Wow Jeff, wonderful GIF!!!
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Post# 43589-8/17/2004-12:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Bigger is (almost) always better!
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Post# 43590-8/17/2004-12:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load!
MESSAGE: Very cool - looks like a lot of fun to watch. I remember doing laundry at coin laundries while on vacation, etc. and these Philco/Bendix machines were always my favorite.
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Post# 43591-8/17/2004-13:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (GE Dispensall)
MESSAGE: Maybe it should be called a "hot water maker" instead!
I'm still curious about that chain and padlock. Do you suppose these are some rouge appliances that chained themselves together to protest being split up? Perhaps the washer has balancing/suspension issues and the dryer adds additional ballast...
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Post# 43592-8/17/2004-13:42 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (Ain't nuttin wrong with Avocado)
MESSAGE: I was born in 1983, but my family still had a few
reminders of the good old days hanging around. My
aunt's kitchen, which had been refurbished circa '65,
is still a marvel of blue carpet, dark wood paneling,
VERY dark wood cabinets, and miles of turquoise Formica
(to match her Club Aluminum cookware). When I was a kid,
she still has the original GM Frigidaire range (with
the thick-coil electric burners) and GE fridge, both
in glorious coppertone. My other aunt has a similar
kitchen, except with '70s vinyl flooring and orange
Formica (to coordinate with HER Club Aluminum). I
believe her range was a coppertone GE, like my mom's.
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Post# 43593-8/17/2004-13:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (chains and restraints)
MESSAGE: They just got back from the S&M -- I mean the D&M club...
-ph
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Post# 43594-8/17/2004-13:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load!
MESSAGE: Jeff,
The few times I've used these machines, it seems to me that they are timed fill, because the water never reached an acceptable height in the rinse before it drained and moved on. Can you verify?
-ph
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Post# 43595-8/17/2004-13:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!!
MESSAGE: GE's are super-easy to repair. You should have no problems at all with it. GO for it and good luck!
-ph
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Post# 43596-8/17/2004-13:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: My!!! How big they are!!!
Jon, which machines did you bring home with you? Did you bring any machines to Robert and Greg for a vacation?
-ph
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Post# 43597-8/17/2004-13:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (chains and restraints)
MESSAGE: Yep and a 65 Lady Kenmore spanked them clean too.
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Post# 43598-8/17/2004-14:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: He forgot to tell us!
Age and Nutrasweet...
Ducking and running!
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Post# 43599-8/17/2004-14:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (gifts from Jon...)
MESSAGE: He sure did!!
Robert got one just like the machine on the right side too!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/f453&.dnm=d92f.jpg
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Post# 43600-8/17/2004-15:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: And forever after, Luigi was known as Evilene... You even get a SLAP from me for that one! LOL!!!
-ph
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Post# 43601-8/17/2004-16:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Full-size is much better!
Knowing Robert's talent for vintage washer restoration, I think he'll be driving a beautiful Chrysler in the near future...
--Austin
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Post# 43602-8/17/2004-16:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Inside the Dispensall
MESSAGE: Everything seems to be in good shape, although it definitely needs a cleaning & a new tub guard. Current one is cracked & bent, making the tub appear off-center (look closely...it isn't). The dispenser unit is long gone, as typical with these machines (what made people hate it, or were they just unreliable??), but detergent can be added for fun in the first door anyway. It has the straight-vane Activator, which will be interesting to watch, and the large Mini-Basket is the first one I've seen considering their size...
Here are some pics.
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@GE%20Dispensall%20&%20LARGE%20Mini-Basket@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 43603-8/17/2004-17:36 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (GE Dispensall$50.00)
MESSAGE: I like the $50.00 sign on it! Couldn't sell it at the yard sale for $50,so put it on EBay for $65.00.....
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Post# 43604-8/17/2004-17:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (GE Dispensall$50.00)
MESSAGE: Well he did replace the pump; it had a starting price of $40 with a Buy-It-Now of $50.
--Austin
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Post# 43605-8/17/2004-18:28 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: That set must be newer than what I'm thinking. I was thinking the first WCI Frigidaires used a front support/roller system similar to what the GM Frigidaires used. Spacing out again...
kennyGF
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Post# 43606-8/17/2004-18:56 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (Water level controll)
MESSAGE: The water level is controlled with a pressure switch like most washers, but the timer does not pause when it's filling. I guess it all depends on the water pressure so it can fill up to the correct level before the rinse ends. This is not a problem in wash as the time is longer. In my house it works well as I have very good water pressure. As with most commercial washers cycle time is important and this washer doesn't waste any time. I think this washer can wash 2 loads in the time my WP Duet takes. Jeff
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Post# 43607-8/17/2004-19:45 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Jon, those are some great pictures! In addition to the spray tube, does the dishwasher have another water source under the first rack to hit pots and pans from underneath? I couldn't decipher one from the photos.
Pete
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Post# 43608-8/17/2004-20:11 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (what a treat)
MESSAGE: Jetcone thank you, for the great photos, and taking the time to share them. Hope everyone has a nice week. alr2903
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Post# 43609-8/17/2004-20:16 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: Actually, I think you are right. Probably early 80's dryers were GM frigidaire until the changeover took place. You said you went to Frigidaire school; Remember how much "fun" it was to change those awful drum rollers, NO access to the front unless you take it all apart.
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Post# 43610-8/17/2004-20:55 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: I think you are right about the first WCI Frigidaire dryers, the were the Franklin design used by Kelvinator and Gibson at that time. The cabinets were a little bit wider too, I think 28 1/2"
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Post# 43611-8/17/2004-20:57 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Look-Alikes (bearing...)
MESSAGE: The GM Frigidaire dryers went the way of the Jet Action washer and did not move to the WCI line. The WCI dryer design from the late 80's was based on the Westinghouse design that dated back to the late 60's and actually is fairly reliable and easy to repair.
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Post# 43612-8/17/2004-22:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Crazy Price!! See this
MESSAGE: KD-12 on ebay
jetcone
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12514&item=6113768423&rd=1
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Post# 43613-8/17/2004-22:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Now I've Got It! Peter??)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter:
Nice to hear from you! I am curious as to how you are making out with your LG lately?
I keep looking at them.
Cheers
jon
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Post# 43614-8/17/2004-22:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (your tip!)
MESSAGE: Louis, it was your tip off that told me to move it or loose it!!
cheers
jon
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Post# 43615-8/17/2004-22:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (you better DUCK! )
MESSAGE: I can save slaps til next summer mister!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43616-8/17/2004-22:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (gifts from Jon...)
MESSAGE: oHHH Greg they look so nice sitting on your counter! And Robert is to be congratulated on making smoothies since I left last week! He is even getting more bold than me with recipies!
jon
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Post# 43617-8/17/2004-22:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (DOUBLE SLAP! )
MESSAGE: slap slap!
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Post# 43618-8/17/2004-22:30 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Now I've Got It! Peter??)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
I posted in the sanbox and awaiting repair but it's working
I hope it does get fixed properly. I will keep all posted in sandbox. I hope to chat with you one day soon.
Peter
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Post# 43619-8/17/2004-22:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Spray tube)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete: No the Frigidaire has only the one tube so you have to be a bit Japanese Artist to load the machine for proper cleaning and pack it like folding Oragami Paper Sculpture. Once you learn how then everything comes out very clean!! In fact this design is the only machine we have seen that can clean the inside of the narrow necked Silex Vacuum Coffeemakers! Even better than my KD-14 with 50 gallons/minute pumping!
It has one huge solenoid in there too which you can hear all over Roberts' house when it goes on!
jon
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Post# 43620-8/17/2004-23:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (floors)
MESSAGE: I'm partial to wall to wall carpet in bedrooms (don't like getting up to cold floors), but other rooms are fine with wood floors with or without area rugs.
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Post# 43621-8/17/2004-23:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (commercial washer cycle time)
MESSAGE: "As with most commercial washers cycle time is important and this washer doesn't waste any time."
I'll say! When My LK broke, I took the wet clothes to a Speed Queen equipped laundry to finish washing them, and though I didn't time the cycle of the TL Speed Queen I used, I'd swear it's total cycle was done in only slightly more time than my LK takes just for the wash cycle! (14 minutes). I felt sort of "cheated".
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Post# 43622-8/17/2004-23:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (giant solenoid)
MESSAGE: What does the solenoid do? open the drain? What year is the machine? My Grandmother's 1963 model has no solenoids, there's a little electric motor that opens the drain port, and it's very quiet.
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Post# 43623-8/18/2004-00:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: We should email them and offer $10 for the racks and wash arm! Did you ever get those from Denver?
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Post# 43624-8/18/2004-00:38 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (commercial washer cycle time)
MESSAGE: With the new Speed Queen Commercial Homestyle washers, soon to be released for home use, the wash cycles are as follows:
Regular Wash - 9 mins. Total cycle time 29 mins
Permanent Press - 7 mins. Total cycle time 27 mins
Delicate - 5 mins. Total cycle time 23 mins
Rinse and Spin - Total cycle time 12 mins
Spin Only - Total cycle time 10 mins.
All times are approximate according to the owners manual. All wash cycles are pre-set for two rinses with an option to add a third, which slightly increases total cycle time.
Comparing the above cycle times with the Wascomats in our local laundry, they pretty much are the same, except those machines have an automatic pre-wash and the SQ's do not.
Launderess
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Post# 43625-8/18/2004-00:41 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: Think that sellers are doing "homework" and seeing prices some vintage applices are going for and assume everyone is made out of money.
Problem is some serious collectors whom would treat the appliance with the respect and care it deserves don't always have deep pockets.
Perhaps it won't sell and the seller will put it on the curb! *LOL*
Launderess
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Post# 43626-8/18/2004-00:46 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE DISPENSALL ON EBAY!!! YAY!!! (floors)
MESSAGE: We had wall to wall carpeting in our kitchen until someone woke up and realised just how dirty kitchen floors get and how impossible that carpet was to keep clean.
When it was cleaned it was a huge pain as it meant the kitchen was off limits until the darn thing dried, which sometimes took the better part of a day or so. The only good thing to come of that was we usually ate out (Westons burger joint), or ordered in.
Launderess
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Post# 43627-8/18/2004-01:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It!
MESSAGE: Jon, you did an awesome job with the pix. I have to admit, I've never seen that style of SQ agitator on Greg's 1954 set. What a suds/splash/drama maker that is.
I"m on the edge of my computer chair waiting for shots of the Blackstone!!!!!
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Post# 43628-8/18/2004-01:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: If it still works and its in great shape-why not still use it??Come to think of it-a home we used to live in Clearwater Fla had a machine something like that.I recognized that "start" button on the side-the plastic cap on the one in that house was broken leaving a sharp bare metal lever to push instead-you had to push quite hard to activate the machine. Had to push it with a dishrag to prevent the lever from cutting your hand. but that machine sure worked!Don't want to pay $1800 for one though.The home was lived in the 60's.It would be sad if the machine didn't sell for that outrages asking price and ended up for the Krusher.
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Post# 43629-8/18/2004-02:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (commercial washer cycle time)
MESSAGE: That's quite a contrast to what I'm used to.
The Solid State LK's cycle times are: regular (short, Ex short)
Cotton/Sturdy 14 minutes (10, 5)
Permanent Press 12 (8, 5)
Delicate 8 (6, 5)
Spin Only 5
No "Rinse Only" cycle, but the machine can be set for a "Pre-Wash" that accomplishes the same thing, just don't add any detergent(4 minutes)
2 rinses with the option of a third? That's unusual, especially with the "Water/Energy Police" being hot on the trail? Wonder how they get away with that in a TL machine?
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Post# 43630-8/18/2004-03:49 ||| Rosemarie (indiana)
SUBJECT:
1950s Kitchen Aid Dishwasher-one of the first
MESSAGE: Used daily. Must find a new home for it. Please contact me if you're interested in more information.
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Post# 43631-8/18/2004-05:41 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this
MESSAGE: That is a really crazy price! I will watch to see if that thing is worth $1800.00 plus to someone! Certainly not June Cleaver!
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Post# 43632-8/18/2004-05:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!! What an iDIOT)
MESSAGE: Greg he never contacted me after the auction and so I sent him an email , this is what I got " oh I threw it out". That was it!
What an idiot!
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Post# 43633-8/18/2004-06:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (COming COming cOming)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob The Blackstones are on the way,my knob broke off and it is being repaired as we speak.
jon
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Post# 43634-8/18/2004-06:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950s Kitchen Aid Dishwasher-one of the first (Rosemarie question)
MESSAGE: Does your machine have the metal racks or the blue ones?
jon
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Post# 43635-8/18/2004-06:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: If only I could find that kitchen what a color!
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Post# 43636-8/18/2004-07:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: I want the whole house!
Hey, I'd be close to all my favorite roller coasters and not to mention alot of the old washers hang around there.
But then, I want a house from the 70s with the original interior.
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Post# 43637-8/18/2004-08:03 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (giant solenoid)
MESSAGE: Your Grandmother has a DW-IUH which is actually a 64 model, the only year they made the motorized drain valve.....my dream machine.....
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Post# 43638-8/18/2004-08:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid)
MESSAGE: Does it sound like the Speed Queen washing machine switching cycles? The one at the convention made a loud *POP* when it went into agitation and then into spin.
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Post# 43639-8/18/2004-09:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (DOUBLE SLAP! )
MESSAGE: all this slapping! ...I'm getting this mental image of everyone lined up like the Three Stooges slapping each other! Ha!
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Post# 43640-8/18/2004-09:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of pristine & MIB...
MESSAGE: Wow. My mother has exactly that model. I've just been thinking I'd like to get one as my vinyl floors need remedial attention. (actually they need replacement...)
Mum's hasn't seen any action for over 20 years, but she still has it.
Chris.
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Post# 43641-8/18/2004-10:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: And speaking of pristine & MIB...
MESSAGE: Gizmo, you'll find that these scrubbers will do great in cleaning and revitalizing your floors. Scrub it down good, give it a finish coat then buff with the pads! Borrow your mum's and give it a go!
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Post# 43642-8/18/2004-10:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (giant solenoid)
MESSAGE: It's a 1956 model, this is Frigidaire's very first and primitive dishwasher design. The very first model was released in '55 and the only difference between the '55 and '56 is the exterior styling.
The solenoid changes the diverter valve from drain to wash.
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Post# 43643-8/18/2004-10:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: I wonder where and how they came up with this price?
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Post# 43644-8/18/2004-10:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid)
MESSAGE: That's exacty what is sounds like! I love hearing that sound, knowing the dishes are about to get a good scrubbing!
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Post# 43645-8/18/2004-12:29 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
1926 maytag
MESSAGE: i have a 1926 maytag square tub wringer that still runs and look good i dont have room for it anymore cause when one comes in one must go id like to just give it to someone in the club who would enjoy it and not just send it to the grave yard im in st louis all you have to do is come get it i can email a pic if you like mail me at rombachcc@juno.com thanks lots chris
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Post# 43646-8/18/2004-13:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
Very 70's picture of a Bauknecht kitchen
MESSAGE: This kitchen with built in appliances is very seventies. It's from before the brown age. The first appliance from the left is a washer or a washer dryer and the next one is a dishwasher. All appliances made by Bauknecht. The decor of the tiles is very seventies too.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-8-18.html
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Post# 43647-8/18/2004-17:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (giant solenoid)
MESSAGE: How did the spin-tube design change over the years, and what was the last year for that design?
Also, did D&M make any spin-tube machines?
--Austin
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Post# 43648-8/18/2004-18:35 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (First load)
MESSAGE: Jeff_adelphi, Your gif. turned out great, I enjoyed your photo's. Thankyou for taking the time to add that gif. for us. Some of the best excitement we have had since Robert turned up with that Wizard of his. :-) Thanks again alr2903.
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Post# 43649-8/18/2004-19:21 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: If you put in 1800 instead of 18.00 this is what happens.
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Post# 43650-8/18/2004-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Everything is perfect except for that solid door on the combo!
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Post# 43651-8/18/2004-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (NOT NIB!!)
MESSAGE: and not THAT rare...
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Post# 43652-8/18/2004-19:30 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
WCI at Menards
MESSAGE: The local Menards had an early WCI built Frigidaire washer,and a similar vintage White-Westinghouse washer on their trade in pile today.$9.00 buy's each. Also had an AMC 'fridge.When was the last time you saw one of those?
kennyGF
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Post# 43653-8/18/2004-19:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Vintage appliances get more pub...
MESSAGE: I got a call this afternoon from a local news anchor that would like to do a story about my collection for the late news tomorrow night. This is our local NBC affiliate (WOWT) so the news will be on after the Summer Olympics at 11PM. This should be fun and I'll record it! Publicity is always good, perhaps well unearth an Apex, an $1800 dishwasher or at least some parts I need for a '63 Imperial Frigidaire refrigerator I found this week!
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Post# 43654-8/18/2004-19:34 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub...
MESSAGE: Great news! BTW,what parts do you need for the 'fridge?
kennyGF
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Post# 43655-8/18/2004-20:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid KD 14)
MESSAGE: MY KD-14 solenoid makes a big SLAM and then you can hear the return spring vibrating ontop of the solenoid like a steel guitar going whaaaannnnnnngggggg!
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Post# 43656-8/18/2004-20:17 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Very 70's picture of a Bauknecht kitchen (Wow what Hair!)
MESSAGE: Get aload of her hair! That would tax the worlds output of commercial grade Gooo!
I like the kitchen very cosy it and reassuring in the cold war.
jon
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Post# 43657-8/18/2004-20:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (First load Wizard P I G)
MESSAGE: That Wizard is a PIG! It is the best machine for brand spanking new Denim! Hands DOWn!
jet
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Post# 43658-8/18/2004-20:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (YES )
MESSAGE: AS the Red QUeen would say--- OFF WITH HER DOOR!
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Post# 43659-8/18/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!!)
MESSAGE: At the "Habitat For Humanity" store near me used dishwashers went from $15-20 Each.Keep an eye on them.Sometimes they get Washers,dryers and Ranges as well.$18 would make more sense.The machine is in nice shape though.Dishwashers are usually not found in used appliance stores in my area.The HFH store was the only place where I had seen them.Wonder where they got the idea for that price?
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Post# 43660-8/18/2004-20:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Crazy Price!! See this (GASP!! What an iDIOT)
MESSAGE: Sadly-that what I was thinking was going to happen if he couldn't sell it for that ridiculous price.I suppose it went like this-Sold!to that Krusher out there!Thats the problem with EBAY!Why couldn't he have tried to advertise it locally in the paper or want ad magazine or something.At least someone who could have used it would get it.Better fate.
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Post# 43661-8/18/2004-20:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (Fabulous!)
MESSAGE: Greg that is just great! I can't wait to hear all about it and see the footage. Please keep us posted.
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Post# 43662-8/18/2004-21:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: I found this refrigerator over the weekend and just couldn't let it be crushed. There was a failure in the defrost timer & limit switch that caused an overheating tragedy in the freezer compartment. Two of the crucial air-handling parts were melted so in order to get it working again, I'll need those parts or have to improvise with sealing tape and closed-cell foam...
I posted pics of the fridge and the meltaway plastic parts.
An interesting thing is that in 63 Frigidaire changed from a dual fan cold distribution (one in freezer, one in fresh food compartment) to a single fan in the freezer that moves cold air up to the fresh food section. The temperature control only regulates the freezer section and the fresh food section temp is controlled with a temperature sensitive damper in the cold-air duct from the freezer. This system was only used for a few years though which could make the parts hard to find.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/26c6&.dnm=83c8.jpg
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Post# 43663-8/18/2004-22:06 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Great frige Greg! I hope you find the parts,the rest looks to be in very good condition. Don
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Post# 43664-8/18/2004-23:05 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: You might find what you need off a D&M, Maytag, or Frigidaire (WCI-Electrolux) dishwasher with forced air drying.
Steve1-18
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Post# 43665-8/19/2004-01:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid KD 14)
MESSAGE: and all of that is a supreme symphony to the appliance lover's ear.
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Post# 43666-8/19/2004-02:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
GE POD
MESSAGE: Intersting how the controls for the range are above the dishwasher
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Post# 43667-8/19/2004-02:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (spin tube design)
MESSAGE: I don't think the spin tube design really changed during the time it was used. Some models,(like my Grandmother's) had an additional little sprayer at the top of the tub washing down ala GE Power Shower.
D & M never had a spinning spray tube, they went from impeller style with fixed spray tube and Roto Rack to a lower spray arm (no center tower) with fixed spray tube and Roto Rack to lower spray arm with center tower (cheap line) or upper spray arm (no center tower on lower spray arm (upper models) with regular upper rack. TOL models made for Sears and maybe others also had a small top mounted spray arm washing down. I've seen some D & M machines made for companies other than Sears that had a weird combination of lower spray arm with center tower and a FULL-SIZED wash arm washing down from the top of the tub. Seemed sort of silly to me, since the items (glasses) that could really benefit from full size wash arm were only getting action from the lower spray arm center tower since they are pointed down.
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Post# 43668-8/19/2004-02:54 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE POD (Sensible!)
MESSAGE: I really liked that GE design, because it was safer and easier-to-clean than others. You weren't reaching across hot burners and pots to operate the controls. Locating them away from the cooktop also helped protect them from spattering oil, etc. On most models, GE's pushbuttons were not easy to clean; they collected a lot of grease. GE also did combos of cooktops and vent hoods that had the burner controls built into the front of the vent hood- again, a little safer and cleaner. Unfortunately, a cable had to run between the hood and the cooktop to connect the two, making installation and replacement even more of a pain than usual for built-ins. I was never a huge fan of the GE pushbuttons, but those two strategies did overcome some of the drawbacks.
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Post# 43669-8/19/2004-04:39 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid KD 14)
MESSAGE: Talk like that makes me all tingly......
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Post# 43670-8/19/2004-05:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Those parts might be tough to find. Let me check my backroom.I think those same parts were used on all the bottom freezer Frigidaires,and I still find them on occasion.
kennyGF
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Post# 43671-8/19/2004-06:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge- Nice Backdrop 1956 GE)
MESSAGE: Nice shot of the melted parts on my MINT '56 GE YAY!
jet
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Post# 43672-8/19/2004-06:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid KD 14)
MESSAGE: I'll have to digitize the sound for you and Bob sometime!
jet
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Post# 43673-8/19/2004-06:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Beautiful fridge!
As for the melted parts, the blower housing is hardly recognizeable; I can't believe those temperatures even occurred in this fridge! How can this happen?
What is the '56 GE doing in the garage? ;-)
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Post# 43674-8/19/2004-08:38 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Who made these machines for JC Penney ?? This is mid 70's correct ?
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Post# 43675-8/19/2004-08:56 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: I'd guess Hotpoint and 70's.
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Post# 43676-8/19/2004-09:01 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Vintage cookbook laundry tip!
MESSAGE: While visiting Jimmy a couple weeks ago I helped him one morning at an estate sale he was conducting. I picked up an old cookbook from Kentucky. It was sponsored by the womens federation, and had a "derby" theme. Having friends in Louisville who love the track, I picked it up for them. While browsing I found this recipe in the helpful hints for whitening cottons. I tried it yesterday on some old white cotton dress shirts, and was truly amazed by how white these shirts got! A ten year old shirt looks new! I did this all in the laundry tub, and then washed them after. It calls for vinegar in the rinse, which I did, but did a second rinse with downy. Thought I would share it with all of you. I guess "Whitest Whites" is not such a new concept! Happy Washing. Don
1 gallon hot water
1/2 C electric dishwashing compound
1/4 C bleach
mix well, add whites and let soak 1/2 hour. Add 1/4 C vinegar to rinse water.
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Post# 43677-8/19/2004-09:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Philco-Bendix washes it's first load! (commercial washer cycle time)
MESSAGE: Laundress gave us the cycle breakdown for the frontloader, not the toploader...
-ph
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Post# 43678-8/19/2004-10:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid Symphony)
MESSAGE: Could you imagine a symphony incorporating a KD14, Frigidaire spin tube, and a Speed Queen washer into Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
*POP*! Dun dun dun dun dun DUN dunn dunnn
*SNAP*! Dun dun dun dun dun DUN dunn dunnn
*SLAM*! DUN dun dun DUN dun DUN dun.....
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Post# 43679-8/19/2004-10:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD: HotPenny's
MESSAGE: Ummm that sounded dirty.
Anyway, these are Hotpoints. I never knew HP had 18lb capacity washers. I thought they were the same as the GE 14 or 16lb. And of course, the bohemoth dryer.
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Post# 43680-8/19/2004-10:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
The Kenmore 800 of TV sets
MESSAGE: RCA ctc48 circa 1972. I grew up watching this set and this is my "holy grail". I want one of these just as bad as I want a Kenmore800.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/JASONL/06@My%20dream%20television%20RCA%20ctc48@JASONL.jpg
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Post# 43681-8/19/2004-10:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Greg, those are Hotpoint machines. What I'm not sure of and I hope someone will know, is if it's still a solid tub. Hotpoint made washers and dryers for Penneys in both the original Hotpoint design and the later GE clone design. This one seems to be right on the cusp with that dryer, and that agitator.
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Post# 43682-8/19/2004-11:55 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Every JC Penney waseher I've seen that looks like that one has been a GE clone. The dryer also looks like a GE desingn. Washer is not a solid tub.
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Post# 43683-8/19/2004-14:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (washer with a brain)
MESSAGE: Perf. tub washer made by GE. They still kept the side hinged lid in the Hotpoint and Penney's lines for a while - some with a small washboard for scrubbing stubborn stains.
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Post# 43684-8/19/2004-14:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Thanks for checking for me, I love these vintage refrigerators although I nearly killed myself moving it into and out of the van by myself!
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Post# 43685-8/19/2004-14:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Strange combination of failures, the defrost timer failed and was stuck in the heating cycle at the same time as the defrost limit switch (limits temperature of heating cycle) failure which caused the high temps and melted the plastic.
The 56 GE washer is going off to Boston to live with Jon (jetcone) now. It was orginally intended for him when Robert found it as this was Jon's childhood washer. It came to live here for a year and when I found the '60 GE solid tub washer, the '56 was ready to make the journey back east. It's departing today at 3:30...
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Post# 43686-8/19/2004-14:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage cookbook laundry tip!
MESSAGE: Do you know when this cookbook was from? What kind of dishwasher detergent did you use? Sounds like it's something you definitely should do in a tub or bucket - not a vintage porcelain tub! I'll bet it does work well though, that's a strong concentration of cleaners...
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Post# 43687-8/19/2004-15:27 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage cookbook laundry tip!
MESSAGE: I used vintage Cascade-and yes, I wouldn't put this in any of my washers for fear of a scene from the Munsters! The cookbook is from the 60's. Those helpful hit sections are so fun to read.
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Post# 43688-8/19/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: Despite the damage the Frigidaire did to itself, it's amazing that there was a defrost cycle that heated the compartment!
That's wonderful for Jon, having a childhood washer again...now to find an '86 Westy...
--Austin
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Post# 43689-8/19/2004-16:30 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid KD 14 YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! )
MESSAGE: That would be cool ! I have made a wav of a spin cycle I play in the chatroom on AOL. There is a loud click, and then the spin starts......just love it !!!
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Post# 43690-8/19/2004-16:33 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Now I've Got It! (Solenoid Symphony)
MESSAGE: I can hear it clearly !!
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Post# 43691-8/19/2004-17:30 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
New Tide with Downy
MESSAGE: Has anyone tried the new Tide with Downy in it? I just bought some today, but haven't used any yet. I was just curious how much of the softening ability is left after going through the multiple rinses of a front loader, or even an over-flow rinse. The old liquid Solo didn't do much in the softening department, but I always thought it smelled good.
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Post# 43692-8/19/2004-17:56 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... (63 Imperial Fridge)
MESSAGE: My mom had a 66 Frigidaire Imperial bottom freezer that we aquired because of the same problem.It got stuck in defrost,and melted most of the plastic inside of the freezer.This happened when it was about 2 years old,and Frigidaire did a factory scrap out of it.My dad got hold of it,and rebuilt the freezer section.Great 'fridge after that!
kennyGF
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Post# 43693-8/19/2004-19:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Kenmore 800 of TV sets (1969)
MESSAGE: We had a 1969 same chassis! We were the last to get a color tv in our neighborhood. It had the best Color I have ever seen in a set.My Dad turned the cabinet into a VHS case and we still have that.
jet
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Post# 43694-8/19/2004-19:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... ( 56 GE on its way)
MESSAGE: OOOHH I FEEL ALL TINGLY Finally a WORKING '56 Fitler Flo will be in my basement again after 36 years!!! YAY!
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Post# 43695-8/19/2004-19:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Tide with Downy
MESSAGE: I don't know if you can use Tide w/Downy in a front loader.
If they rely on the fact that Tide makes megasuds and doesn't completely rinse out, than that's weird. The rinse water should be crystal clear and then you add FS. If it ain't then start the wash cycle again with no detergent.
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Post# 43696-8/19/2004-19:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Kenmore 800 of TV sets (1969)
MESSAGE: Those were really great TVs. I finally inherited it until it died in 1987. The tube was still good and I wanted to get it fixed but my parents threw it out. Either it got krushed or hopefully someone fixed it and gave a good home for a few more years.
Here's the funny thing. We also had an RCA from about 1975 or 76 that didn't last nearly as long. By 1987, the tube died and the picture was really bad. The ctc48 on the other hand rocked on with its fabulous pic till the HV or something went out.
The Audiokarma folks say this chassis rivals Zenith Chromacolor and then some.
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Post# 43697-8/19/2004-19:58 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
1968 Kenmore 800 Washer
MESSAGE: There is a Craigslist ad listing in the free section for a 1968 Kenmore 800 series washer in white for free. It works and the exterior looks in very good condition. It's located in the Panhandle section of San Francisco near Golden Gate Park. Unfortunately I don't have room or I would get the washer myself. If interested respond to:
anon-39895465@craigslist.org
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Post# 43698-8/19/2004-20:12 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
1 down, 2 to go
MESSAGE: Well, the Speed Queen made it here yesterday ... Thank You, Robert. Unfortunately, I am under the weather and only got to peak inside the box so far. Hopefully, in a few days, I will be able to unpack it. The Hotpoint washer/dryer that I got off of ebay left yesterday on their journey South. Jason, I may need help soon! Bob, are you packed yet? Todd
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Post# 43699-8/19/2004-20:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1 down, 2 to go
MESSAGE: Congrats Todd on yet another solid-tub!!!
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Post# 43700-8/19/2004-20:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Kenmore 800 Washer
MESSAGE: Well Jason here's your chance to get rid of the Frigemore for good and replace it with a working Kenmore 800!!!
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Post# 43701-8/19/2004-22:38 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage appliances get more pub... ( 56 GE on its way)
MESSAGE: It is so cool to be reunited with a washer from your childhood. ;-)
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Post# 43702-8/20/2004-00:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
JC Penney POD
MESSAGE: These machines don't look like they were made by Penney's usual supplier (GE). Are they Westingohouse?
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Post# 43703-8/20/2004-00:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage cookbook laundry tip! (whiter clothes)
MESSAGE: I suspect the vinegar, an acid, is to counteract the dishwasher detergent, an alkali.
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Post# 43704-8/20/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: So I know some of you out there have Montgomery Wards Signature machines, and, of course, Sears machines abound, but does anyone have any J C Penney Penncrest or W. T. Grant Bradford machines in their collections?
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Post# 43705-8/20/2004-02:40 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: JC Penney POD
MESSAGE: Again, Every washer and dryer I have seen with JC Penney's name on it that look like the pod were GE design. I think the lids on the Penney's machines were a little different shape though, more oval.than square.
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Post# 43706-8/20/2004-05:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: JC Penney POD (JC Penney)
MESSAGE: The explanation was posted, I had never seen a Penncrest machine of Hotpoint design before Hotpoint became a GE "clone", and that's apparently what these machines are.
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Post# 43707-8/20/2004-06:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: I've seen a few late 70's--early 80's Penneys machines on eBay but that's it. I was surprised when a seller posted a pic of the inside and it looked exactly like a Hotpoint machine from that era.
Did any Penneys machines use the Filter-Flo system as well?
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Post# 43708-8/20/2004-06:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Kenmore 800 Washer (OMG!)
MESSAGE: That thing likes NEW! Even has the information sticker on it.
Now why can't that washer be near New Orleans?
I hope someone gives it a good home.
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Post# 43709-8/20/2004-06:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint didn't have a filter-flo pan, they had a filter ring around the tub where it shoots wash water through and then when it spins, the water goes over the tub and flushes the filter.
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Post# 43710-8/20/2004-07:04 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
Rudolf Miele died
MESSAGE: Dear friends,
today there is a sad news for all Miele fans: One of the owner
Mr. Rudolf Miele (he was the grandson of Carl Miele who founded
the company in 1899) passed away yesterday at the age of 74.
He was still working in the management and planned to retire at the end of this year.
I personally send my honours to this great person of German
appliances.
Best regards
Kai
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Post# 43711-8/20/2004-10:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: The machines in yesterday's POD were probably some of the last to have any differentiation in design. After that, the JCPenney machines, as they were by then called, looked about identical to the Hotpoint machines of the era. The other appliances were all Hotpoint like too.
In the 60s and early 70s, the "Penncrest" laundry equipment was much like the original Hotpoint solid tub style. I believe during that period there was a machine with the preset programs offered then as well, much like the one in yesterday's POD.
I worked for JCPenney for a while in the early 1980s and I had one of their (GE) microwaves once, and a number of pieces of their audio/tv equipment. I don't know who made the radios, but they were pretty good. One portable might still be at my parent's house. My mom bought a color TV there when I was working there in the early 80s for the family room. I'm pretty sure it was an RCA and it lasted a long time. I also bought my first tv there, a 13" color tv with remote, for $369, in 1982. Yes, $369. The Hoover-made vacuums were gone by the time I was there, I think Eureka was the manufacturer at that time.
In 1983, the major appliances, electronics, hardware and automotive departments were eliminated, and they have never quite been the same since. Other departments have also changed radically or disappeared since then. The JCPenney stores today are very much an also-ran. It's very Target-like now with little sales help and central checkouts. I don't find their stores the least bit interesting or appealing, and I rarely shop there anymore. About all they're good for is custom window treatments, one of the few stores of this type that still offers this service.
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Post# 43712-8/20/2004-12:53 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rudolf Miele died (Thanks for the posting......)
MESSAGE: This has been a rough year. We are loosing too many of our Icons that made a difference in this world! Last year we lost a lot of stars and officials, but this year we are losing the main fabric of our being!
May Sir Rudolf Meile rest in eternal peace!
Thanks Kai.
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Post# 43713-8/20/2004-16:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: From your description JCPenney reminded me of Sears, but it's basically a clothing/curtain store now, and since many of today's kids (including myself) are into higher-end clothes (i.e. Abercrombie & Fitch), about all they're good for are school uniforms on the clothing aspect. The last time I was there ('98) I do remember seeing a window-treatment area, but Sears also has this...
There was a rare Penncrest turquoise canister on eBay that was basically a rebadged Hoover Slimline. I've seen their Hoover-made uprights (cousins to the lower-end 60's Convertibles) and even a shop vacuum (from the 70's) on eBay as well.
Quite something to still see JCPenney washers & dryers on eBay considering their demise; they must have a long life.
--Austin
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Post# 43714-8/20/2004-16:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: Yes, Austin, it actually was very similar to a Sears. A lot of sections of the Sears stores at least here have central checkouts now too, though they do still have all the departments. Not sure if they still have an automotive area, I haven't looked in a long time.
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Post# 43715-8/20/2004-17:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: They still have the automotive area, surprisingly.
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Post# 43716-8/20/2004-17:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Another MIB Item...
MESSAGE: This time it's a Hoover Quik-Broom, from 1980! Mint in its unopened box!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4319838237&fromMakeTrack=true
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Post# 43717-8/20/2004-18:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: I've seen both Penncrest and Bradford come through the shop. I used to get a lot of Coronado brand appliances. The refrigerators were Admiral built,laundry was Norge.They were sold by Gambles dept. stores.Also had a Westinghouse dryer with the ACE name on it,from Ace Hardware stores.Anyone remember when KMart sold Frigidaire,and the units they sold were slightly different from the rest of the line?
kennyGF
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Post# 43718-8/20/2004-20:03 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: I have seen a few JCPenny washers and dryers over time. In the mid 80s when I was repairing them to sell. I found several that were made by GE but they had a different top with an ovalish side opening door, the "tall" ge backsplash, and round knobs. It looked awkward. It had a filter ring on the tub that was filled by the filter flo pump. It wasn't a good design because the lint would spin off the filter and stick to the outer tub.
I had a coffee colored hotpoint look alike washer and dryer last year. Actually in good condition. I found at a Salvation Army store. They must have been some of the last made.
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Post# 43719-8/21/2004-04:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: When I was growing up, Sears, Wards, and Penneys were virtually identical in the goods and services they offered. I suspect James Cash Penney and Aaron Montgomery Ward are spinning in their graves right now, not to mention F W Woolworth.
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Post# 43720-8/21/2004-04:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Sears automotive)
MESSAGE: Sears automotive department is alive and well
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Post# 43721-8/21/2004-15:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: Appears to be one of the first, even with the lid-holder magnet like the GM version. But notice the tell-tale water level switch, and the perforated tub. And is that a recirculating filter, just above the agitator?
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3835171307&rd=1
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Post# 43722-8/21/2004-15:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: And I didn't notice this until now...the agitator looks EXACTLY like the one in Robert's Wizard except in white, so it's a Franklin machine!! I wonder how fast the stroke is??
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Post# 43723-8/21/2004-18:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
78 LK broke AGAIN
MESSAGE: Well, after about 10 loads, my 78 LK broke the spin plunger rivet pin AGAIN. Now, this says to me that it's taking excessive force to move the spin cam bar (can't tell which, since I don't know if it's breaking on engage or disengaging spin.) When installed the last gearcase, I made sure to lube the agitate and spin cam bars over and above the lube the factory put there. So I'm going to lube them again when I replace the rivet. BUT, if it breaks again, that's obviously not the problem. What else would cause excessive force to move the spin cam bar? I suspect it does need new centerpost bearings, since it's quite noisy and "knocky" during spin but would that cause this problem? Last time I had this thing torn completley down, I didn't know about the special tools needed to replace the centerpost bearings, and called Sears to do it (what the repair manual said to do). Neither they nor an independent place would do it, so I was forced to re-assemble it as is, though I did lube the bearings. So now, I don't if this is causing the secondary plunger rivet problem, or if it's some other problem. I can live with the noisy spin, though if anyone visits L.A. and has the 2 tools, feel free to come over and I'll put on a "Centerpost Bearing Replacement Party)
(sigh) wouldn't be so bad if it was just me, but this machine supports a household and has to work.
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Post# 43724-8/21/2004-18:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN
MESSAGE: How many people does this machine wash for, just wondering?
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Post# 43725-8/21/2004-18:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN
MESSAGE: Darn! There were some Inglis (Canadian version of Whirlpool) tools on eBay (ended last week), including the bearing removal tool, and I didn't think anything of it. If I had enough foresight I would have posted the link.
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Post# 43726-8/21/2004-19:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (people washed for)
MESSAGE: 6
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Post# 43727-8/21/2004-19:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (centerpost bearing)
MESSAGE: Of course, I'm not sure if that's what's causing the problem, taht's why I need to hear from some of the experts on here to see if that's the cause of the problem, or if it could be something else. If I'm lucky, it might just be a lubrication thing, that would be nice, since I can live with the noisy spin, replacing those means ANOTHER total teardown. Virtually everything but the outer tub has to be removed to get to those things. Not hard to do, but a time-consuming pain-in-the-butt.
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Post# 43728-8/21/2004-19:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (centerpost bearing)
MESSAGE: Pages 118-120 (1986 BD Manual) cover the plungers/cam bars, however I didn't see anything mentioned about tension problems causing the rivets to break...
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Post# 43729-8/21/2004-20:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (plunger rivets)
MESSAGE: I guess they just don't make rivets like they used to, since whenthe 2nd gearcase went out due to unseen water invasion, the rivets didn't break out, but there was enough force that it actually BENT the agitator plunger. Fortunately, when I got the parts for this problem, I ordered the plunger, which comes with the rivet, and luckily, decided to order the rivet by itself. So now, I'm going to replace the plunger, rivet, and lube the s--t out of the cam bar and hope this cures the problem. I'll probably know in about 20 loads or so, that's how long the last rivet lasted.
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Post# 43730-8/21/2004-21:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (plunger rivets)
MESSAGE: How is the status of the outer tub, since you posted about a rust/corrosion problem previously (April/May)?
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Post# 43731-8/21/2004-21:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (outer tub corrosion)
MESSAGE: Don't know, haven't seen it since last "re-build". At the time I siliconed the h--l out of it, covering all exposed rust areas to seal them away from the water. It was all along the top edge where the tub ring fits, nothing below the waterline, fortunately.
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Post# 43732-8/21/2004-21:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Hoover Spin-Drying Washer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: Hoover Twin-Tub from the 60's in Coppertone!! Works great! $10; Ohio.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=6114487744&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43733-8/21/2004-22:05 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (Some ideas!)
MESSAGE: Hi, I was just reading your post and had some ideas of some things you might check (if you haven't already).
1. Check the spin clutch shaft and make sure that it has been greased properly. (This is the rod that rides atop of the spin cam bar which raises and lowers the brake yoke thus engaging the clutch or brake). There is a roller bearing inside this rod, make sure there is no gunk causing the roller to bind.
2. Make sure when you grease the cam bar that you put grease on both the top and bottom of the cam bar, especially in the area of the top retaining spring.
3. You could have a problem with the superstucture itself which is causing the clutch not to move properly either up or down as the spin cam engages/disengages. Some water and gunk could have gotten into the superstructure and could be causing it to bind up.
There was a time during the mid-80's when there were manufacturing defects in some superstructures. The defect occurred in those superstructures used on large-capacity machines. The problem was a bad bearing which caused the machine to make loud rumbling noises when in neutral (drain) position or when spinning. Your noise problem may not necessarily be the centerpost bearings.
4. When you install your new plungers, you might want to put just a small (really small) amount of grease on the shafts.
Hope this helps
Dennis
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Post# 43734-8/22/2004-00:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
78 LK plunger repair
MESSAGE: OK, replaced plunger & rivet, lubed up spin cam bar, let's see what happens NEXT. This time the rivet didn't actually break out of the plunger, so I was able to determine that the rivet bent as the machine was dis-engaging spin and applying the tub brake.
I tell you, I'm starting to consider the "Start" switch as the equivalent of the handle on a slot machine :-)
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Post# 43735-8/22/2004-00:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Spin-Drying Washer on eBay!!! (Coppertone )
MESSAGE: Not just coppertone, SHADED coppertone!
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Post# 43736-8/22/2004-00:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN (Some ideas!)
MESSAGE: I didn't read this until after I'd already done the repair, but looks like it turned out OK
1.I greased everything that moved and touched anything else
2. Made sure to do that.
3. I hope that isn't the problem, wouldn't know how to go about fixing that.
Since this is a 1978 machine, it probably isn't a defective superstructure. All the racket is during spin, totally quiet during neutral drain.
4. Spritzed the plungers with WD-40, made sure they moved freely.
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Post# 43737-8/22/2004-00:51 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair
MESSAGE: Just to expand a little on MrMaytags post. I have seen on rare occasion that the roller bearing in the spin actuator rod has broken leaving only the pin that holds it. The machine would still work but would drag possibly causing your problem. It should be easy enough to see without taking anything apart. Also just for everyone else having this problem the pin must be a special hardened one. In the early days some people would replace the pin with a regular cotter pin and it didn't work. I don't think this is your problem since you said that you replaced it with the pin you got with the replacement part.
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Post# 43738-8/22/2004-00:57 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
Frigi Range Part Question
MESSAGE: Hi:
I saw a 30" Frigi self-cleaner in a thrift today I really liked the looks of- appeared to be early 70's. Couldn't really tell, though- the control panel had nearly all its silk-screened logos and markings rubbed off the aluminium. Could be GM, could be WCI.
Still, I like it, and wouldn't mind it as a resto project, except for the control panel. Does anyone know of obsolete Frigi parts sources for ranges, or of any restoration process that would get the control panel back in shape?
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Post# 43739-8/22/2004-00:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair
MESSAGE: "I tell you, I'm starting to consider the "Start" switch as the equivalent of the handle on a slot machine :-)"
This brings up a question: How does your washer look cosmetically, good or bad?
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Post# 43740-8/22/2004-01:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair
MESSAGE: I'm more than ready for the '98 DD Kenmore to quit so I can either buy the 1981 BD Whirlpool (large capacity w/winged Surgilator) at A-1, which would be much better, or put the Maytag Dependable Care back in service (with new lidswitch). The DD's tub is off-center and it might need a new Dual-Action agitator auger in the near future (teeth on one small part are somewhat worn but the drive dogs are fine), after washing all those shoes and comforters on the Regular (fast) cycle.
You'd be surprised how much laundry 4 people generate in 1 week, plus the weekly washing of the sheets. About 10-12 loads a week easily. I usually wash "loosely packed" loads in the Kenmore and what's left I'll wash in the GE Convertible. I washed about a 12 lb. load of whites in the machine once (max. stated load is 6 lb) and I was surprised at how it circulated the load around as well as spun it out; not one sock came out dirty. I had no idea an impeller machine would hold this much...
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Post# 43741-8/22/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (pin replacement)
MESSAGE: I replaced the pin in the spin plunger, not the pin that holds the roller in the spin actuator shaft. That roller is OK
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Post# 43742-8/22/2004-01:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (78 LK cosmetic looks)
MESSAGE: It still looks pretty good, there's chip in the lid, and at sometime in the past something dripped on the woodgrain console and made several faded spots. The Triple Dispenser lid is now white since the brown (and all other colors) part is NLA. Basket has some chips, but none went through to base metal, so there's no rust. Couple of minor scratches on flat black face of control panel
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Post# 43743-8/22/2004-01:53 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (pin replacement)
MESSAGE: Understood. Just wanted to make sure you actually looked at the roller as this problem can be overlooked easily. There is a pin that holds the roller in the shaft. If you dont look hard at it you can miss it. The little pin is there but the roller is broken out causing the slide to push on this pin rather than the roller itself.
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Post# 43744-8/22/2004-02:37 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (pin replacement)
MESSAGE: One more thing on the roller. I have seen where the roller is still there but is flattened causing the same problem. You can rotate it around looking for a flat spot
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Post# 43745-8/22/2004-03:03 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK broke AGAIN
MESSAGE: (I didn't know about the special tools needed to replace the centerpost bearings)
The bearings can be replaced without the special tools although with much more difficulty. Remove superstructure and use a hack saw (the kind that has only the end of the blade exposed)to split the bearings then break them out any way you can. A chisel would probably work best, You can install the new bearings using a hammer and bar or tube a little smaller in diameter than the bearing. Make note before pulling the old bearings out how far in they are installed. Try to get them in at the same depth as the originals.
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Post# 43746-8/22/2004-05:39 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigi Range Part Question
MESSAGE: If you knew what the control panel looked like,you could have a decal made to cover the bare spots.Maybe someone has the manuals for it,with a picture.
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Post# 43747-8/22/2004-06:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: With every August weekend here in CT being gray, wet and dreary - I went to a few estate sales yesterday. ALl the usual appliance suspects - lots of 90's Maytag and Kenmore.
However at one house I had a very unusual experience. IT was the home of a recently deceased old Italian man who seemed to have a lot of dining room furniture. His offspring and their spouses were running the thing - they seemed to all be late 50's. Well, no great appliances but when I hit the basement, I nearly fell over. Like so many of his generation, he had rows of shelves and aisles just like a supermarket stocked with an astounding array of canned goods, home preserved vegetables, paper products, non perishable dried foods - pasta, rice, etc.. all immaculately arranged and dated. THEN we got to household products. Shelves of bar soaps, dishwashing liquids (including the hard to find Pink Thrill and Gentle Fels), laundry detergents, bleach, etc.. All of the laundry detergents were from the late 60's/70's and 80's, all giant sized boxes of Tide, All, All Temperature Cheer, Punch, Ajax, Fab, Rinso with Color Bleach, Drive, Cold Power, Bold, Cold Water Surf, Oxydol.. Unfortunately, because it was an incredibly damp musty basement (like most of the East Coast), the boxes were all swollen and the contents were brick hard. But there were also shelves of half gallon sizes of Wisk and Cold Water All. Since they were all dated, I could see they were from 1967-1970. SO I thought - hmmmm let me get my hands on at least these.
I asked the son in law how much he would take for all of the bottles and within 45 seconds his wife came flying down the stairs screaming at him as well as me that that area was off limits, I had no business there and all of that stuff was to be divided among the family - for some inexplicable reason, her sister Concetta seemed to figure very strongly in this whole equation. Stunned, I asked her if I could at least take one each of the Wisk and All (I had one in each hand) - since there were at least 8 of each anyway. She then reached over,grabbed them from me and snapped "NO- these are NOT for sale and unless you are buying something else, you need to leave NOW. Undaunted, I spied two Bold measuring cups, one Cheer cup and the elusive Tide measuring cup as featured in our WCI Kelvinator POD. These were not in the forbidden area so I asked how much those were. By this time she was particularly unhappy with me so all she said was " You need to leave NOW. Nothing here is for sale to YOU. I couldn't resist a parting shot so I suggested that she might have specified in the newspaper ad that although this was an estate sale, that meant dining room furniture only. She then turned absolutely purple and screamed that she was calling the police. I figured that at that point it was time to go - I offered her husband (still paralyzed with fear) my condolences and lit out of there fast.
Moral of the story? I have no idea - I am still confused. I certainly Concetta enjoys her booty.......
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Post# 43748-8/22/2004-06:14 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Blackstone Washer-Today's POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone in the club have one of these? I can't ever remember seeing one. Did Blackstone have them made or did they make their own?
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Post# 43749-8/22/2004-08:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: It's a Franklin. The agitator has those wings on it. Almost looks like an angel. I bet it churns alot of suds. I really don't know how fast those agitate because I haven't seen one in action yet.
It would've been cool if it were an agitub
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Post# 43750-8/22/2004-08:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Blackstone Washer-Today's POD
MESSAGE: Jetcone has a working Blackstone. I think that's the only one in the club with a machine like that.
It has a solid tub and does a neutral drain. The agitator lifts up and all the water rushes into the bottom tub. It must be cool to see that in action.
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Post# 43751-8/22/2004-09:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: I had the portable washer only version of this. Recirculating filter, indexing tub and noisy. I would say the agitation was about like a belt drive Kenmore, though I think it turned further in each direction. Wasn't a bad little machine for what it was.
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Post# 43752-8/22/2004-09:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (78 LK cosmetic looks)
MESSAGE: A good example of a good-looking appliance with mechanical problems. I've seen Calypsos on eBay in perfect cosmetic condition inside and out, however they don't work. I wonder if it has something to do with the cheap construction nowadays, as well as the quality of replacement parts? That could be the case with your machine, not making replacement parts like they used to...
I saw a near-TOL Kenmore 90 Series in Brown from the late 70's in 2002 at an estate sale, and Larry (CleanteamofNY) has a TOL 1972 Lady Kenmore in Brown as well. Unlike other variations the "Kenmore Brown" actually looked good and not like Harvest Gold or Avocado...
I haven't seen a Kenmore Solid State BD before, only the DD version, as well as many electronic Whirlpools.
--Austin
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Post# 43753-8/22/2004-09:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: There was a MW Portable nearly identical to this machine at A-1, however I don't think it had the recirculating filter like this machine.
Kenmore had an All-In-One stacked laundry center around the same time that was identical to this one. You still see these on eBay from time to time...
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Post# 43754-8/22/2004-09:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Blackstone Washer-Today's POD
MESSAGE: I wonder if this could be the only solid tub washer produced that does a neutral drain?
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Post# 43755-8/22/2004-10:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Hoover Quik-Broom Question
MESSAGE: A bit off-topic, but "vintage" nonetheless.
Hoover Quik-Brooms & Handivacs from the 70's (not the Cassette version) used Type G bags, which seem to have been discontinued. What is a viable existing replacement that can be adapted to the machine? The Type G bag is nothing more than a round tubular bag that slips onto a collar on the machine.
Here's a link to a Hoover Type G-equipped machine, with a closeup of the bags. I was thinking a Dirt Devil hand vacuum bag might work, but I'm not positive so I decided to post.
Thanks!
--Austin
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Post# 43756-8/22/2004-12:36 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigi Range Part Question (Decal Source?)
MESSAGE: Hi:
Any ideas on who does decal-making?
Sandy
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Post# 43757-8/22/2004-12:46 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (eBay Princess)
MESSAGE: Hi:
I think Concetta's problem is pretty obvious- she's done a little surfing on eBay, seen a couple of hot prices, and figures she has a fortune down there. One of the things that I've seen time and again is that people who 'do their homework' on eBay have little or NO understanding of the importance of condition, rarity, or finding just the right buyer. If they see a box of Cheerios from 1957 go for $300, that's what they want for theirs. Never mind that theirs is ragged, or does not have the same incredibly rare promotional game on the back, or is one year later. Never mind that the guy who paid $300 is the ONE collector who wanted that box that badly. The mind-set of these 'homework' surfers is that if they've seen a price on eBay, that's it, that's what their item is worth. Sometimes they even try to be reasonable, by their standards- they'll set a lower price to offset the cost of repairing damage to their item. But they always seem to fail to understand that a restored item will never be worth one that is all original, or MIB. And they never understand that the cost of extensive restoration is often greater than the value of a mint original.
I'm sorry you had such problems with Concetta- but not to worry, she's in for a rude awakening. P.S.- If you're still in Fairfield, would you email me? I have a question about a house up there. danemod@netscape.com is the addy.
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Post# 43758-8/22/2004-14:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: What an a**hole! This isn't the first time this has happened to anyone; Robert has shared similar stories (in the Archives) about how he's gotten jerked around at estate sales.
I wonder what would have happened if the son-in-law sold you the detergent??
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Post# 43759-8/22/2004-16:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Blackstone POD
MESSAGE: Look at the size of those control dials! Like 2 big eyes! What year is the machine?
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Post# 43760-8/22/2004-17:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
78 LK saga
MESSAGE: Well, looks a total teardown is inorder AGAIN. Fixed plunger, broke again this morning. SOMETHING is causing excessive force when it tries to apply the tub brake, since the plunger was bent in that direction. Additionally, the first time it broke, roommate siad water was coming out of machine. I din't see any when I fixed it the first 2 times, now I see water is pouring down the agitator shaft, the tub brake was saturated and it was flinging water off the pulleys. To me this says that the agitator shaft seal is shot, which is part of the spin tube/basket drive. This wold be basket drive #4. Two seal failures and a broken pulley. This is really starting to piss me off to the point I'm actually thinking of getting another machine, even though I HATE mis-matched sets.
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Post# 43761-8/22/2004-17:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (nutcase)
MESSAGE: and somebody MARRIED this witch?! I feel for the husband.
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Post# 43762-8/22/2004-17:25 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (IMHO)
MESSAGE: If it were me I'd just get a basic machine to handle most of the wash and keep the ladys and repair them. 26 years is alot of wash for 6 people, give the girl a break =)
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Post# 43763-8/22/2004-17:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (discontinued bags)
MESSAGE: Where have you been looking for the bags? Often bags are still available, either from the original manufacturer or aftermarket companies like VCB and Rubbermaid, but one has to go to a vacuum shop to get them. The only bags I seem to notice that EVERY store seems carry are Hoover C, A, & D, Eureka F & G, and Electrolux. All other bags for uprights and canisters for those and other brands, are a hit and miss proposition. I have a Hoover Porta Power, and the only place I can get bags for it is at my local vacuum cleaner store, no store carries them.
Speaking of which, Hoover's non-positive latching system for the hose to machine connection is lousy, it depends entirely on friction and is constantly turning and falling out as one tries to vacuum. I was thinking of gluing a piece of cork to the hose face to shim it up some.
I'm seeing more stores carry Panasonic and Royal, but that's about it. If you're lucky, your brand uses the same bag as a more common brand.
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Post# 43764-8/22/2004-17:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK retirement)
MESSAGE: I wish I could, space to store them and $ to buy new/used ones are an issue. I've already given upon their sister Sears dishwasher purchased at the same time, the cost to bring it back is just too much at this time. In fact if anybody wants it and a companion portable model, they are free for the taking. I'm not going to throw them out. First year electronic models. Portable in better shape than built-in. Except for timers and relay boards, probably enough good parts to make one good one. Ultimately I may strip the built-in of all parts and give them away with the portable model.
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Post# 43765-8/22/2004-18:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK retirement)
MESSAGE: Let me throw in my 2 cents. Buy another used BD Kenmore or Whirlpool from a used-appliance store; judging by the other machines found by members in California I have no reason to doubt why they wouldn't be common there. I saw numerous BD Kenmores and Whirlpools in Houston, and even a few solid state models. You can get a good refurbished BD washer for about $140 (these prices seem to be common around here), and many used-appliance dealers are willing to negotiate. I talked the repairman down to $110 for the GE Portable; he originally wanted it at $160. And be sure to visit more than one store to compare prices; I've found major price differences on similar models.
You might also want to consider a portable as a "backup" machine just in case...;-)
--Austin
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Post# 43766-8/22/2004-18:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (Hoover hose-lock)
MESSAGE: I've found the twist-lock wands troublesome as well; the earlier clip design is much better. It even had seals between the fittings. My Hoover Celebrity (since sold) had the twisting collars, and everytime I used it on the rugs (it was a lower-end straight-suction version which "hovered" on the floor), I could feel the connections flex, which were obviously loose. That was somewhat of a shame, since the Celebrity was a powerful machine, yet weakened by no seals in the wands as well as a loose connection. It had the twisting hose lock, however a tab on the hose lined up with a latch on the inlet port, which you had to push to release; a positive latch of sorts...
I'm assuming you have the early Portapower design; the Portapower/Swingette machines didn't have the positve latch.
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Post# 43767-8/22/2004-18:15 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK retirement)
MESSAGE: If you were closer,I would donate the green BD Kenmore I picked up a few weeks ago.The one I couldn't get to pump out the water(which BTW,WAS a bad pump).Shipping from Indiana would be a problem.
kennyGF
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Post# 43768-8/22/2004-18:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK retirement)
MESSAGE: When did you first have to repair the '78, and what went out first? I'm quite curious...
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Post# 43769-8/22/2004-18:27 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: Austin, I don't think these were early models. I remember seeing these exact machines in the early '90s, at a distributor named Fretter Appliances. They had the same winged agitator and white perforated tub. I do remember the Kenmore models around the same time period, that were very similar. The only difference I remember between the Kenmore and Frigidaire models is that the Kenmore agitator, while high-vaned, did not have the cobra-shaped "wings" at the top. Also, while the Frigidaire agitator had four straight vanes at the bottom as pictured in the E-Bay link, the Kenmore agitator had four small straight vanes at the bottom, with a few small swirled vanes in between.
Pete
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Post# 43770-8/22/2004-18:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: It could still be an early WCI version, because:
1. The "winged" agitator was the same exact one I saw in a Kenmore All-In-One machine from the early 80's.
2. It shares some similarities to the Skinni-Mini, such as the cabinet trim, dryer door, lint filter position & dryer vane shape.
3. I've seen this style recirculating filter on early 80's WCI Frigidaires (1-18 look-alikes), as well as some early-mid 80's Montgomery Ward machines.
4. The Frigidaire logo is the earliest post-GM logo I've seen, out of 3.
--Austin
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Post# 43771-8/22/2004-18:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: The high-vaned agitator was also on some 90's GE Spacemaker stackables and portables as well.
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Post# 43772-8/22/2004-18:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (portable backup)
MESSAGE: Timing is everything, I just started back employed again, and soon wil have the means to repair the portable I have, needs a pump and possibly a motor capacitor or motor itself. Bought it new in 1972 for some elderly friends of my grandparents who had never had any modern appliances, along with a Wards portable dryer. Now I'm going to have to hury up and play "musical" appliances, which goes like this:
Repair racks on 1988 Whirlpool DW so it can replace 1978 Kenmore built-in DW. This will allow me to put 1962 portable Kenmore that is subbing for 78 DW in storage space currently being taken up by 72 portable. 72 portable can then take up the space released in kitchen by 62 portable DW so it can sub for 78 LK until I can deal with that.
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Post# 43773-8/22/2004-18:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK retirement)
MESSAGE: Are you currently using your '62 as a dishwasher?
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Post# 43774-8/22/2004-18:57 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: My goodness....reading about your account just makes me shake my head at how rude some people can be. I understand Concetta's sensitivity, especially given that her family was involved with some personal loss, but she didn't need to react to you in that manner as you posed no real threat once spoken to. Regarding Concetta's "booty", perhaps you could have suggested to other guests upon your departure that the diningroom furniture had been infested with head lice or crabs.
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Post# 43775-8/22/2004-18:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (Hoover hose-lock)
MESSAGE: It just has two tabs on the hose that line up with notches onthe machine, then you twist to secure. But it's held totally by friction between the hose collar and the plastic face of the machine. As soon as the hose twists, the connection turns and falls out of the machine. Very annoying.
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Post# 43776-8/22/2004-19:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: Was Concetta actually at the sale or was the wife just stating that Concetta didn't want to get rid of the detergent?
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Post# 43777-8/22/2004-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK first repair)
MESSAGE: From new?
Very first repair from new was control touchpad, under warranty. Then burst hose under service contract, then belts and pumps until I canceled the service contract. Pumps and belts outnumber all other repairs by far.
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Post# 43778-8/22/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (discontinued bags)
MESSAGE: YAY! Just found 'em on the Hoover website!
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Post# 43779-8/22/2004-19:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (62 Kenmore DW)
MESSAGE: Yep, it's been in use for some months, ran a load just today. Only problem is broken detergent dispenser, so I have to wait until the first main wash and put detergent in manually, and the leaky drain pump I can't find parts for.
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Post# 43780-8/22/2004-19:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (LK first repair)
MESSAGE: Then burst hose under service contract, then belts and pumps until I canceled the service contract..."
Appliance dealers like Sears make their "big bucks" on repairs, especially for people who really don't want to do it themselves.
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Post# 43781-8/22/2004-19:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (discontinued bags)
MESSAGE: Great, but if they are still on Hoover website, they're probably available at local vac shop, save $ and shipping $, and they may have brands other than Hoover, for more savings.
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Post# 43782-8/22/2004-19:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (portable backup)
MESSAGE: The '72 portable is basically a full-sized version on wheels that spins at 525, with a 12 lb. tub?
Just wondering because the later BD portables (like the ones covered in the '86 Repair Manual) were smaller and spun at about 800 RPM.
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Post# 43783-8/22/2004-19:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: Re-reading the story, it's not too clear. Therefore, my theoretical response now applies to both the wife and Concetta. May they stew in their own plentiful juices.
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Post# 43784-8/22/2004-19:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (Sears service contracts)
MESSAGE: I wasn't as knowledgeable back then as I am now, and it also covered the DW, dryer, and trash compactor (that's had only one repair, plastic bag got wound around screwjacks, later models had a plastic tube guard around screws, I'm just careful now to make sure plastic bags are pushed down away from screws)
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Post# 43785-8/22/2004-19:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK saga (portable backup)
MESSAGE: No, the 72 portable is the "baby" version, and it seems to spin faster than the full size ones
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Post# 43786-8/22/2004-19:14 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (discontinued bags)
MESSAGE: I hope someone from this site gets that Quik-Broom. I remember seeing it in a Naum's catalog around 1979 (Naum's is no longer around). I was tempted to bid, but I already have enough floor-care machines.
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Post# 43787-8/22/2004-19:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover Quik-Broom Question (discontinued bags)
MESSAGE: I'm definitely going for it, however if I win I won't open it until November 12, 2005, it's 25th Anniversary!
--Austin
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Post# 43788-8/22/2004-19:21 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Sun Color-Safe Bleach
MESSAGE: At a local dollar store yesterday, I came across small boxes (26 oz.) of Sun Color-Safe Bleach. There must have been about 200 of them!! I purchased one, and noticed that it smelled identical to old Clorox 2. The last time I remember that scent was in the early '90s. The new Clorox 2 is more crystal-like, and the scent is not too strong. For only $1 a box for the Sun, I'll probably return for a few more boxes.
Pete
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Post# 43789-8/22/2004-19:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sun Color-Safe Bleach (Sun bleach)
MESSAGE: After reading about Huish Detergents, it wouldn't surprise me if they had the contract to make Clorox II at the time, or even now.
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Post# 43790-8/22/2004-19:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Vacuum collection
MESSAGE: At the risk of being flogged for being off-topic, here's my vacuum cleaner "collection"
I don't really collect vacuum cleaners, but have ended up with a "collection" anyway due to various circumstances.
Electrolux Automatic Model G (with a Eureka power head that was "Mickey Mouse'd" on somehow) that was given to me by friend.
2 Royal Dirt Devils, 1 metal housing (now it's called the commercial model), and 1 red plastic housing, Model 08130. The metal one's origin has been lost to history, plastic one purchased new by roommate.
Kirby G4, purchased new by roommate's Mom, inherited by him when she died, inherited by me whe HE died.
Hoover Porta Power Model S1075
inherited from deceased friend, I purchased optional wheels and cloth bag for it.
Bissell Deluxe Sweepmaster Model 3000-A (stick broom)
My Maternal Grandmother had this, was missing a part. She bought a new Hoover stick broom (which promptly failed) So I took this one, sent away for missing part. It has HUGE bags, not very powerful. I really should look into getting the Electrolux Diamond Jubilee she purchased to replace the LX bag ejector I remember from my childhood. Hopefully My Mom didn't give it away.
I trade of using the Kirby and the Electrolux for the carpets (Kirby bags expensive and only availabe at vac store, Electrolux cheaper and available everywhere).
Porta Power used for floors, dusting, and cars.
Bissell used for floors.
Dirt Devils used for small areas of carpet where larger machines can't get in.
OK, I'm done, don't hurt me for being off-topic, please! :-)
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Post# 43791-8/22/2004-20:00 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sun Color-Safe Bleach
MESSAGE: You know I said that same thing too when I saw the Sun Bleach at Family Dollar for a buck, so I went on the website and sure enough they make the stuff for Clorox. And they make Surf powder and alot of Private label brands. So I figure why buy the Clorox brand when I can get the same stuff for less under the Sun logo. And thats about the only thing I will buy under the Sun Logo...I tried the dishwasher detergent and wasnt impressed and the laundry det isnt all that great I think or the fabric softener.
Mike
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Post# 43792-8/22/2004-20:10 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: I had the GE version of that washer in an Apt when I lived in Chicago and that washer does hold quite a but. The stroke was about 180 degrees and it would move at a rate of 63 strokes a min. It did wash well and the indexing tub made it look like the load was slowly spinning until I would stop the tub and let it wash like a regular washer and it could turn over a load very powerfully.
This washer is not quiet but it did the job. I had the GE dryer on top of the washer that was piggy backed to it and it had the bi-fold lid.
Mike
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Post# 43793-8/22/2004-20:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early WCI Skinni-Mini
MESSAGE: A Montgomery Ward portable I saw at a used-appliance store had the same flimsy bi-fold lid. Bi-fold lids were also common on Kenmore/Whirlpool BD portables as well, and always had some sort of crack in them on every used machine I saw...
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Post# 43794-8/22/2004-21:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vacuum collection
MESSAGE: 6 vacuums is actually quite impressive. My (eBay-bought) collection goes as follows:
1. 1970 Hoover Convertible 1020, bought on eBay. Seal Griege/Lime Green color scheme. Smelled like smoke, so I replaced the cord and put an NOS top-fill outer bag on it, converting it from Type C to Type A bags (which are much easier to change). I also purchased a set of NOS rear-conversion tools for it. Works great on rugs and floors; if you put your feet next to the nozzle you can really feel the carpet moving. Very quiet compared to later Convertibles. Tool suction isn't very impressive but then again it isn't the machine's strong suit.
2. Hoover Dial-A-Matic U6003, another eBay purchase approx. Mid-70's. I've had this one the longest (since April 2002). Bright orange/white. Came with a complete set of tools which I also use with my other Dial-A-Matic. Self-Propelled; cleans OK on carpet, but not as good as the Convertible since the suction inlet is on only one side. Tool suction excellent since it's a clean-air machine.
3. Hoover Dial-A-Matic U6039, bought from the same seller of the other DAM. Last DAM design before the Concept series; light blue/white. Also self-propelled. This one led a somewhat rougher life (minor rust spots) and didn't have any tools. Headlight-equipped and cleans well, especially with tools.
4. 1975? Hoover Junior U1025; eBay. Harvest gold/beige; cute little machine made in UK, but cleans and sounds like a full-sized Hoover! Works well on carpets and you can hear the "ching" as dirt hits the metal fan. The only downside is the bottom-fill bags, and I can't adapt a Type A assembly. I'm still out to find a set of tools for this machine...
5. Hoover Decade 80, blue-green/white, another eBay machine from the early 80's. This one is somewhat rare because it has only 1 speed (no Power Surge) and no headlight. Cleans OK but not as good as the Convertible on floors; throws dirt back at your legs. Uses Type A top-fill bags.
6. Kirby ComVac 1300--Sanitronic-style commercial machine with 13" nozzle; eBay. Shakeout bag; very quiet compared to the Traditon and picks up well on all surfaces. Unfortunately it can only use tools for blowing/inflating as it has a fixed rug nozzle.
7. Kirby Tradition 3CB; blue cloth shakeout bag with optional paper bag adapter. Given to me by my aunt, who had no use for it and kept it in her attic. Rug nozzle quit in 2003; found a Tradition nozzle on eBay and replaced it. Works great and has EXCELLENT suction on carpets, floors, & tools, but is so loud it drowns out yelling, especially with the brushroll on.
8. Shop-Vac 800C; white 5-gallon wet/dry vacuum with metal tank. Was in pretty rough but running shape when I bought it on eBay; I epoxied the tank and put the housing in the dishwasher. Turned out excellent and I now use it in the house with an NOS Shop-Vac 2 1/2" hose & tools. Cleans well with impressive suction but sounds like an oversized Eureka Mighty-Mite with its annoying whine.
9. Shop-Vac 800; white 5-gallon wet/dry vacuum with metal tank from 1980. Cleaned the housing off but now it needs a new strain relief so I haven't put it back together yet. Works great and has the suction equivalent of a modern 16-gallon machine. Isn't all that loud either; doesn't have the whine of the 800C.
And a brown/beige early 80's Eureka upright on the way. We had a red/white trimmed 70's machine as well as an identical blue/brown trimmed machine until I was 4; red machine's outer bag leaked and it didn't pick up all that well; my dad made the mistake of picking up sheetrock with the powerful blue machine, wrecking it. If I had been older I would have fixed it. While it isn't a Convertible, I love the humming sound of the motor as well as the sound of the Vibra-Grommer on the carpet. They also clean well on carpets & floors.
Had a Hoover Celebrity, Royal 801, mid 70's 1-speed Hoover Convertible, Air-Way Sanitizor 88, and an Electrolux Silverado, either sold or given away to thrift stores.
So there you have it; all my vacuums.
--Austin
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Post# 43795-8/22/2004-21:09 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT:
1950's Philco Freezer
MESSAGE: Nice old Philco freezer on eBay, price is high, but condition looks great. Jeff
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3835044848&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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Post# 43796-8/22/2004-21:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
GE Spacemaker Set
MESSAGE: Asking a little much for its age, but this set is in good condition, and the washer has the folding lid, Franklin Wizard-style agitator, and recirculating filter. I bet it could really turn over well without the indexing. Dryer appears to also be in good shape. I saw a Montgomery Ward version identical to this (except different agitator and no filter) and Scott had this type of machine. Brown/beige.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3835044848&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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Post# 43797-8/22/2004-21:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set
MESSAGE: The link goes to the Philco Freezer.
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Post# 43798-8/22/2004-21:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (nutcase)
MESSAGE: Yeah, that was my first thought. I mean, you don't always know what you're in for going in, but I can't imagine living with something like that. We have a word for men like that, that I won't use in polite company. ;-)
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Post# 43799-8/22/2004-21:54 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales ((i feel for you))
MESSAGE: How rude she was to you.
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Post# 43800-8/22/2004-22:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (nutcase)
MESSAGE: Weak-minded is what came to my mind...it's obvious the wife "overpowers" the husband...
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Post# 43801-8/22/2004-22:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set
MESSAGE: Oops! Here's the actual link.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=3835378981&rd=1
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Post# 43802-8/22/2004-22:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 78 LK plunger repair (78 LK cosmetic looks)
MESSAGE: I have read about problems with the WP-KN Calypso machines-The most common was that clothes get caught under the "agitator" wash plate and eventually ruin the machines transmission. both the agitator and transmission have to be replaced. Don't know if WP has cured the problem.also users complained the machines do not clean well. Could it be from improper use?They also mention the machine won't clean as big a load as the maker claims.Read about this on "Epinions" and another Laundry equipment website-can't remember offhand what it was.
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Post# 43803-8/22/2004-23:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Blackstone Washer-Today's POD
MESSAGE: Does the agitator act as a "stopper" when the machine is agitating? Can small clothes items(such as socks) get pulled under the agitator during the drain cycle? The lifting agiator sounds interesting- must be fun to watch.When I was very little -only watched the Blackstone work with its front cabinet doors open and watched the "works" underneath.Was at a friends home.The machine is shown in the "manuals" section.
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Post# 43804-8/22/2004-23:26 ||| Theartfulstitch (pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
1950's Thermador wall oven and elec cooktop
MESSAGE: I have a 1950's stainless steel Thermador wall oven and it's matching electric cooktop, along with an electric Modern Maid free-standing range with two ovens (top and bottom) and 4 burners. It's time for me to part with these appliances (reluctantly), and I was wondering if anyone had some ballpark idea of how much I should sell them for? The Modern Maid is easy to part with, but the Thermadors aren't. What they're worth to me and what they're really worth in the real world are probably two very different prices.
Thanks a lot!
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Post# 43805-8/22/2004-23:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (private brand machines)
MESSAGE: Sorry to be off topic-but I could remember when Abercrombie and Fitch sold sporting goods-and what a wonderful store it was-it was in downtown Wash DC(late 60's)The store had hunting,fishing,and skiing and tennis equipmnet. Truely a one stop store for the sportsman. They even sold English double barrel dangerous game hunting rifles! loved looking at them when I was a teen.Those were priced in the several thousand dollar price range.
I use the Pennys store here for clothes and as you mentioned-window treatments. Have the best selection.-and the better prices. I like the prices on the clothing as well.There is no AF store here.The high priced specialty clothes stores are closing here-most folks in small towns like this buy their clothes at Pennys,Sears,"Wally World"etc.
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Post# 43806-8/23/2004-01:47 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set (Hey, I Had One Of Those)
MESSAGE: Well actually my set was the separate washer and dryer, but can tell from the controls and insides they are the same units.
Bought them as my first set out of college back in the 80's and gave them to a cousin a few years ago. Last time I checked they were going to consider getting a new washer and maybe dryer as the both were having problems.
Laundress
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Post# 43807-8/23/2004-01:55 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales
MESSAGE: Frist of all, if the area down-stairs was out of bounds, signs should have been posted to that affect. Secondly there is no cause for being rude to a customer, even if it is only a house sale. A polite "move on please" and if needed a few quiet words is all that was required.
As for the value of her "booty", who does she think is going to bid huge amounts on moldy boxes of detergent. Sure if they happened to be MIB things might be different, but come on now.
Ebay is turning into "FlecceBay" as everyone seems to think their stuff is worth thousands.
If this woman had any business sense at all she would have sat down with a calm head and talked money. If her goal is to sell the stuff at auction or on eBay did she ever stop to consider the costs and fees? Even if one of her boxes of moldy detergent sold for $400, eBay gets a cut, and it costs time and money to get things up.
I'm willing to bet money half the detergents end up in the rubbish bin. Some dumpster diver is going to be very clean this winter!
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Post# 43808-8/23/2004-02:01 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set (Hey, I Had One Of Those)
MESSAGE: Duh!
Just read the auction description carefully and had the exact same set, just did not stack them. Think ours were white though.
Laundress
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Post# 43809-8/23/2004-05:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Non-starting motor troubleshooting
MESSAGE: As a start to sort out the current screwed-up appliance mess I'm in, I need to know why the motor on my '72 KM portable washer won't start. How does one determine if it's the capacitor or the centrifugal start switch?
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Post# 43810-8/23/2004-07:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Non-starting motor troubleshooting
MESSAGE: The portable BD machines use the same motor as full size BD washers. Does it hum but won't turn/start? Make sure you can turn the belt by hand and that nothing is binding up (pump pulley). You can test the capacitor with a multimeter.If the motor hums, you can try giving the tranny pulley a "push" to see if it will kick in then. Let me know if I can help further.
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Post# 43811-8/23/2004-08:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set
MESSAGE: And lo and behold! The inside looks just like the Frigidaire compact washer. It's a WCI machine.
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Post# 43812-8/23/2004-08:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Hi everyone: The Westinghouse Streamliner made it home yesterday and here are its first arrival pictures! Yes it works , yes it has JPBS - Jammed Pump Bearing Syndrome! Yes I expected that as the pump housing is made out of pot metal. It needs a good cleaning, painting, lubing, and NEW Stainless Steel screws and then it will be one of my most gorgeous styled machine I have!! This is an early production model as it has the early gray 7 SEVEN vane tub!! My 1955 has a 3 vane tub!!! so this will have quadruple the washing action of my 1955. I must consult doctrine as it does state when Westinghouse changed porcelain enamels, when I find out and can compare the serial numbers to my 1955 machine we may have a rough guess as to its production dates!
Here is a link to current and up coming photos! It was worth all the "Tornadic" weather On the Tappan Zee Bridge, the traffic jams of New Yorkers desperately trying to get to the Jersey shore before the weekend was over and Aloysius staring at me saying WHEN are we getting out of this vehicle!!
cheers
jetcone
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WestinghouseStreamliner
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Post# 43813-8/23/2004-08:58 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Thank you for the pictures and the memories they bring back. I lived in a small 4 unit apartment building years ago and there were two of those in the basement for us to use. I remember turning the dial to the wash temp. and pulling up on it to start. I also remember those machines could tangle clothes better than any machine I had ever used! Sheets would come out like a rope! Hope you enjoy it though, I always enjoyed watching them at work. Best wishes! -Steve
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Post# 43814-8/23/2004-09:01 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Thanks Steve)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve come on up and try it out anytime! I can't wait to see how much it can tangle!!
Cheers
jon
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Post# 43815-8/23/2004-10:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Oh Jon, its looks just beautful! It appears it has two sets of tumble vanes like the 1950 Laundromats, but has a grey speckled wash tub. Very interesting, can't wait to see pictures of it running.
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Post# 43816-8/23/2004-10:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Non-starting motor troubleshooting
MESSAGE: Does it start without the belt around the motor pully? If it does its probably the capacitor. It if doesn't its probably the motor start switch.
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Post# 43817-8/23/2004-11:14 ||| JEtcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets)
MESSAGE: Yes Robert you are correct it has two sets of vanes but I have never seen a Westinghouse with 4 vanes on the main part of the tub, we need to have Greg chech his machine as see if it has 4 vanes on the tub because that machine also has the three small vanes around the door.
Greg........are you there?????????????
jon
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Post# 43818-8/23/2004-12:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: COOOOOOOOOL WASHER!!! First time I see this model, didn't know they were making this early Bendix like model.
Perhaps you should take some bedcovers from home with you when you take Aloysius on a trip. It would let him feel very much at home in the car LOL
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Post# 43819-8/23/2004-14:47 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Outer tub leak solutions?
MESSAGE: I picked up a GE Filter Flo in one of the graveyards here in Phoenix but has a small rust hole near the upper back left corner of the outer tub. Water leaks out when it starts to spin. Would JB Weld be a good choice to stop the leak or is there anything easier that I might have around the house? Washerlover & I got 3 machines for $35 each. My favorite is the Kenmore (model #110.72491100) but the pump doesn't work. It did for a moment but then stopped. The dispenser pumps water through however. Is it a bad pump or could it just be jammed with crud? We did take the bottom off and found fine grains of something in it. If anyone can verify the year these machines were made and any repair help, we sure would appreciate it. The other machine is a Magic Chef with burp-up filter, but it has a main seal leak (so does the other one we have adorning our backyard!). The Lady Kenmore is the top priority. Also looking for a dispenser lid assembly for the Kenmore if anyone has one for sale. Thanks!
LINK: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ringtail59/album?.dir=bafa&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
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Post# 43820-8/23/2004-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets - we're so RARE!!)
MESSAGE: I'm here, I'm here!
My machine has 4 tumble vanes, and 2 of the extra "nubulator" vanes near the opening - across from each other. My tub is dark blue speckled...
I took a couple of pics of the tub & vanes for you, I'll post them later with some great shots of the "PIG" that I took in Minne this last weekend - that machine is just wicked!!
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Post# 43821-8/23/2004-16:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions?
MESSAGE: JB Weld or quick drying 2-part Plumbers epoxy should work just fine to seal up that hole.
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Post# 43822-8/23/2004-18:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jon! You don't see bolt-down Laundromats everyday, especially on eBay!
JPBS is expected at this age, especially in a machine that hasn't been used like this one. Those pot-metal pumps are crap too, especially if they're wheel-driven, so far I've had to part out 2 machines because I couldn't get the darn pump bearing off, no matter what I did! I have to ask, is the pump belt-driven or directly connected to the motor? Also, how are the seals, and is this machine's plumbing set up like a Bendix?
Be sure to post pictures of the progress; we're all itching to see it in action once it's done!
--Austin
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Post# 43823-8/23/2004-18:50 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! )
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
Real nice westy - I never realized they were made with 7 vanes.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 43824-8/23/2004-19:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets)
MESSAGE: That might stir up some more water because in pictures the Laundromat vanes look lower than Bendix vanes...somewhat ironic because the Bendix vanes are R-shaped and if the tub tumbled in the other direction it could clean probably decently.
Can anyone verify this by checking their Laundromat?
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Post# 43825-8/23/2004-19:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Canadian Kenmore Portable
MESSAGE: Neat little 24" portable machine. Could be BD or DD, but it all depends on the agitator. There's a 75/25% chance it could have a good agitator, whether it is the DD Surgilator or a BD agitator. It could also be the dreaded "small" Dual-Action. This washer worked last time it was used.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3835599038&rd=1
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Post# 43826-8/23/2004-19:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Also, does the fill spray come through the detergent opening or is it hidden?
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Post# 43827-8/23/2004-20:00 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Thanks Steve)
MESSAGE: Hi! I will be up to visit some time as I have a friend who lives in Franklin, Mass. That would give me a chance to meet both you and Greg. I do not remember more than three vanes on those old machines I used and the dark blue speckled tub. Happy tangling! -Steve
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Post# 43828-8/23/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Update 8/23/04
MESSAGE: Work slooowwwly in progress on the Bendix. Tonight I cleaned the drain valve and opened up the pump housing, and surprisingly everything is in good condition there. Tomorrow I'll put the new cord on (might need to extend the ground wire...we'll see) take measurements for the needed hose (yes, removed all of the old hose), and buy some rust remover for the cabinet, since it cannot be sandblasted. A company my dad deals with frequently has offered to powdercoat the cabinet bright white at no charge, but it's not a big gain since Glenn's was going to charge $75 and they couldn't do it...
The new cord will be a big plus since I get nervous every time I plug it in. But on the positive side, I think the old water valve works, since I hear the solenoids when I flip the temperature-selector switch, although a replacement with the same diameter outlet port arrived yesterday. I'm still going to wait until I get everything finished and put back together before I water-test it.
I've decided that I'm going to sell it on eBay at a low price once I get it "stabilized" (new hoses, cord, paint job, test load run successfully, etc.) with the new water valve (not installed) and a set of fill hoses for a collector to purchase and restore completely. While I really like Bendix machines, I'd much rather pay top-dollar for a restored, safe one than buy an original-condition machine and try to work on it.
--Austin
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Post# 43829-8/23/2004-21:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (I did Louis)
MESSAGE: I did take bed clothes the problem was we were in the car 12 hours for a 6 hour trip! The weather and traffic were horrendous! Louis remember the big bridge over the Hudson I took you over? We got stuck there in one of the worst thunder storms I Have ever seen! Al was exhausted from the lenth of time it took and I don't blame him!
Greg N tells me that this Westinghouse has a really cool wash and slosh action! Will let you know when I do!
jon
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Post# 43830-8/23/2004-21:27 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets - we're so RARE!!)
MESSAGE: I love my nubulators!!! YAY!
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Post# 43831-8/23/2004-21:30 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Austin the pump is friction driven with a solenoid but the driver is metal not bakelite-never seen that before. The water level switch is very modern just like in a F/1-18 machine. But the whole thing bolts down just like a Bendix!!
jon
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Post# 43832-8/23/2004-21:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! )
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,thank you!: I was wrong about the 7 vanes in my excitement I over counted Greg N slapped me back to reality tonight, There are 6 vanes just like his 1949 machine only two nubulators not the three I counted. But still it is a rare machine and I can't wait to get it up and running
jon
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Post# 43833-8/23/2004-21:41 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! )
MESSAGE: I think everyone is excited about this Westy. Does the water enter through that dispenser in the top? Best of luck with this. Thankyou for posting pics and sharing with us. alr2903
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Post# 43834-8/23/2004-22:02 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/23/04 (BENDIX RESTORATION)
MESSAGE: Austin, If you like Bendix so much and you have one ,why would you sell it? This is one of the easiest models to restore.Trust me the best machine to have is one that you restored yourself.What is:"top dollar for a safe one" No such thing.There are many out there of that model and I have seen none in a top dollar restoration in all these years.I totally restored mine and it is like new ,It was not that hard to do.If you change your mind and need assistance by e-mail let me know I know those machines like the back of my hand.It is a nice one wish you would keep it.And keep in mind a restoration is not just appearance. The first thing to check is that the motor shaft on the pump end is being supplied with oil.This will keep the unit running for years to come.Also when pump is removed it is important to grease the spring seal section before putting it back together.Also the best tran fluid for the Bendix is DextronII.Good luck,John
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Post# 43835-8/23/2004-22:07 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen
MESSAGE: If only I had the room!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3835425969&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 43836-8/23/2004-22:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen
MESSAGE: ...and look what else he has to offer!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3835622760
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Post# 43837-8/23/2004-22:41 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (OMG)
MESSAGE: OK, who is this seller? He must be one of "us"!
Have to go now and get busy measuring my kitchen, then planning a great dinner tomorrow night to start buttering up a certian someone! Is it too warm for Beef Wellington?
Was looking at KA dishwashers today, and they still have the four arm lower spray rack, however the center top spray arm has been replaced by a small upper spray arm.
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Post# 43838-8/23/2004-22:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Non-starting motor troubleshooting (non starting motor)
MESSAGE: mechanism is free and motor hums. Tried giving it a "push", but I don't think I was able to speed it up enough for it to take off. What I'll probably do is get a new capacitor whenI order new pum and if it stil doesn't work, THEN start thinking about new motor.
I haven't actually started working on it again, this is what I seem to remember last time I fooled around with it.
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Post# 43839-8/23/2004-23:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: Since I don't see any kind of suspension, I assume this is a "bolt-down" machine?
What year did Westinghouse switch over the the square cabinet slant front machines?
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Post# 43840-8/23/2004-23:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (clothes tangling)
MESSAGE: What, Westinghouse actually dared to challenge Frigidaire for the "Crown" in clothes tangling?!
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Post# 43841-8/24/2004-00:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions? (parts)
MESSAGE: You're lucky, the dispenser lid is still available, but ONLY in white, which in your case, is good. Part #355032 (Sears number)
The pump has two sections, the lower section pumps water through the dispenser, so it's possible for it to still work but not be able to drain the machine. What this says is that the pump shaft is spinning, so either the upper section of the pum that does the draining/recirculating is clogged, or you may have the inoperatinve internal flapper problem some of us have encountered. Since the pum is the number one failure onthese machines, just get a new one. In fact, pump failure is SO common that when I was in Sears parts store, they had them in boxes on the shelf, didn't even have to get them from the warehouse. It's a 4 port pump.
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Post# 43842-8/24/2004-00:17 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions? (parts)
MESSAGE: Yes I called the Sears parts dept and they do have them in stock. However, a few squirts of WD-40 seemed to do the trick. It now drains like a champ but there seems to be some water dripping from where we removed the bottom half. We put in a makeshift gasket as the other one split into pieces but may end up just getting a new one. The Filter-Flo leak is also fixed. I think I will order the owner's manual for the Kenmore from Sears. It's under $12.
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Post# 43843-8/24/2004-00:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions? (parts)
MESSAGE: Those are all nice finds, but I especially like your new Lady! That is a 1974 model, and the last of the classic Sears top of the line machines. A bit "late" for some tastes, but it has always been amongst my favorites, and I've been happy to see in recent years there are still some out there to be had.
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Post# 43844-8/24/2004-00:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/23/04 (restoration)
MESSAGE: By the time you do all that YOU will already have "restored" it! And I doubt if another one will be any "safer". Putting the new grounded cord on it is about all you can do to make it "safer".
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Post# 43845-8/24/2004-00:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (room)
MESSAGE: Now, you don't really "need" one of those walls in your house, now do you....? :-)
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Post# 43846-8/24/2004-00:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (KA sink/dishwasher combo)
MESSAGE: And it has the much needed upper spray arm!
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Post# 43847-8/24/2004-00:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions? ("
late")
MESSAGE: Not too late for me, not with that big flourescent light, control panel lid, and pushbuttons!
The absolute end for me is when they stopped having the "fake woodgrain" and some kind of light. One of the reasons I go to such lengths to keep my '78 going.
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Post# 43848-8/24/2004-00:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/23/04
MESSAGE: A fully restored one may be harder to find and VERY expensive.Also -you would face the problem of if it was restored properly.Would be better to do it yourself-since you seem to be technically inclined.-You know the basics of rebuilding it.I could understand if you didn't have time to do it.-That can be my limitation-between work and selling vacuums.It would just take much longer to do.also its nice someone could repaint the case for you.Take him up on it.Would be better to follow thru if someone offers to do something like that for you.
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Post# 43849-8/24/2004-00:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets - we're so RARE!!)
MESSAGE: What is a Nubulator?
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Post# 43850-8/24/2004-06:46 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (clothes tangling)
MESSAGE: I think it will end up as a "tie", so to speak! Tee Hee
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Post# 43851-8/24/2004-07:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/23/04 (BENDIX RESTORATION)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the offer; I might have to email you a few questions since the Bendix manuals I picked up on eBay didn't have a service manual, just a serviceman's use/care manual. The parts diagrams/cross-sections are helpful but are for the earlier models; thankfully Bendix hadn't changed much from 1940-1947. Yes, I did oil the drain valve as well.
Please email me at
westytoploader@yahoo.com and let me know what you had to do to your Bendix so I'll know what I'm in store for.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 43852-8/24/2004-07:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Wow, that's just BEAUTIFUL! If only it was closer!
Mark (lightedcontrols) seems to be going for this one...good luck!
--Austin
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Post# 43853-8/24/2004-07:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen
MESSAGE: I haven't seen a KA DW/Sink combo before, especially one
this new!
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Post# 43854-8/24/2004-08:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Water Enters Top)
MESSAGE: Yes Everyone the water diverter is at the top of the machine if you look at the top molding photo it us tucked in under that molding and shoots into the white rubber cup at the top of the door. SO you can add your detergent there or bleach after your 5 minute timer dings off or you can add rinse agent at the last rinse ALL without having to open the door.
I remember a laundromat at the Cape that had only these machines in a coin po version in blue/gray and they had a lid above the rubber cup for adding soap. These were always messy as the Bohunks doing their laundry would just flop the door open and pour indescriminatly all down the front of the machine. I remember seeing Westys all filled with so much suds you couldn't see any clothing inside. That won't happen with this machine believe me!
Glad you are all enjoying this vintage machine as soon as I get into it I will post restoration photos and the then the first virgin loads too!!
cheers
jon
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Post# 43855-8/24/2004-08:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets - we're so RARE!!)
MESSAGE: Gansky calls the little fins that are rare in Westinghouses the nubulators as they look like little nubs for flipping things that get too close to the door. Not all Westys had them they are kind of rare you can just see one on the edge of one of my tub shots.
jon
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Post# 43856-8/24/2004-08:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (clothes tangling)
MESSAGE: Lets race---- when I get it up and runnning-- 5 long sleeve shirts -- will be the load OR 3 pair of jeans. Any takers????
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Post# 43857-8/24/2004-08:27 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY!
MESSAGE: JOn, Congradulations on a great looking machine. In the mid fifties, my moms cousing had one in her kitchen. All of the homes in that develpment had one built under the counter in the kitchen. However, the timer control was built into the top of the kitchen counter. Can't wait to see it in action.
Ray
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Post# 43858-8/24/2004-09:32 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
mid 60s kitchenaid top load dishwasher for sale
MESSAGE: i have a mid 60s kitchenaid top load dishwasher the id like to sell to make room for another machine thats on its way this dishwasher is what id call 95-98% perfect it runs fantastic and the enamel and racks are perfect i can mail pics if anyone likes im asking 125.00 for the machine and the buyer can either pick up in st louis or arrange shipping there is a pic of machine in the my collections section its number 10
id rather see another member with this machine than to just ebay it and let it end up in the hands of someone who wont take care of and love it like it deserves thanks for reading
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Post# 43859-8/24/2004-09:34 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: mid 60s kitchenaid top load dishwasher for sale (forgot the mail address)
MESSAGE: sorry i guess it would be nice to have an address for email its rombachcc@juno.com thanks again
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Post# 43860-8/24/2004-09:54 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Heard from Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Hey all,
I don't really know much cause he was talking and driving at the same time but Filter Flo is on his way to pick up some 50's machines (being a child of the 60's-70's I don't really know the significance of these) including a Blackstone (?), some Kelvinators (being a carguy, I know those are AMC products) a Westinghouse program computer(?) and some kind of Apex (?) machine. He says this guy has over 150 washers and dryers from the 50's and he will have to make many trips to see everything and negotiate on what he would like if any of the rest of the collection is for sale. I wish I could go. Best of luck on the trip Filter Flo.
MK in LBC
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Post# 43861-8/24/2004-11:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo
MESSAGE: woohoo!
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Post# 43862-8/24/2004-11:55 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
free to a good home
MESSAGE: i have a late 20s maytag that is up for a good home all you have to do is come and get it have to make room for new toys
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Post# 43863-8/24/2004-14:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (I did Louis)
MESSAGE: Not a nice place if you ask me to end up in a thunderstorm. Poor Al! I must admit though that part of me would have loved being there, I have a thing for thunderstorms.
Looking forward to see more pictures of the Westinghouse in action. Do you have room for it or is there another washer that has to go?
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Post# 43864-8/24/2004-14:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Eddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43865-8/24/2004-14:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Go Jimmy! Go Jimmy! Go Jimmy!
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Post# 43866-8/24/2004-14:50 ||| Lohebohi (Baltimore)
SUBJECT:
old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: One of the biggest improvements with modern dishwashers and clothes washing machines seems to be the noise level at which they operate. Also improved would be the energy and water consumption but I do not care so much about that.
Does anyone retrofit modern pumps and drive mechanisms to eliminate the noise polution associated with old appliances; or is it more a function of the way water enters and exits the washer as well as bearing design? I love the look of the old appliances, but don't want the noise. Thanks
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Post# 43867-8/24/2004-15:39 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (Noise Levels, Old vs New)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I would agree with you regarding dishwasher noise, some of the older models are far more intrusive than new ones. But when the new ones have a noise level of down to 46db thats pretty hard to beat.
On the Washer front however I have to disagree, my 30yo BD Whirlpool which is now in fulltime use in the laundry, is less intrusive than the 3yo machine it replaced. As such we've taken the door off the Laundry and it now opens directly into the kitchen. The Whirlpool I'm using now is far quieter than my mothers 3yo Whirlpirl which generates a racket all of its own, especially on small loads. Whirlpool claim that it has a quiet wash system, and there is fibreglass insulation inside, but it makes little difference to the noise.
With TL Washers the technology really hasnt changed in 20 years or so, whereas with dishwashers most of the technology is only a few years old now, the designs have been completely overhauled.
I dont think dryers are any different, at worst there should only be the noise of moving air.
Fridges are a lot quieter now in some respects, but in others they make more noise than they ever did. Every time our Frost Free Fridge goes into defrost cycle in summer, all you can hear is the cracking and banging as ice expands and then melts. But its rare to hear the compressor.
I could go on and on, but noise is a subjective thing, I guess its what each person is willing to accept.
Nathan
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Post# 43868-8/24/2004-15:40 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Belt Drive Whirlpool Safety Switch
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
A quick question, on the US whirlpool, does lifting the lid stop the timer and the motor during spin, or does it just apply the brake to the tub, and then the motor and timer keep running?
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 43869-8/24/2004-15:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Belt Drive Whirlpool Safety Switch
MESSAGE: Nathan, at least in my experience, the direct drive Whirlpool made washers shut off completely (motor, timer, etc) when lifting the lid during spin. On the belt drive models I have used, it stops the basket from spinning, but the motor and timer still run.
Interestingly, on the direct drive unit that is a member of my current household, while the machine will agitate with the lid up during most of the cycle, once it passes the 6 minute increment it stops if you lift the lid. Not sure what the purpose is of that.
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Post# 43870-8/24/2004-16:10 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (DIY Noise Reduction on DW's)
MESSAGE: Hi:
One thing I've done on DW's to reduce noise is to apply sound insulation myself. Some fibreglass insulation from Home Depot wrapped around the tub quiets that, and the door can be damped with some sheet Styrofoam, also available from HD. You can fasten both types with 3M spray adhesive, which should be allowed to cure thoroughly before applying power to the DW. A spark could ignite the vapours from fresh adhesive.
You have to be careful not to interfere with any moving parts, so cut the insulation away in those areas, like actuator rods for soap cups. I also am careful to cut away where there are parts that might need to remain accessible for service, like the tubes that run up to upper spray arms.
I've done this with more than one apartment DW, and it makes a huge difference, because apartment complexes always buy the most bare-bones models they can get their hands on (no, I do NOT tell them I'm going to do this, LOL).
So far as the noise reduction in modern washers is concerned, I don't know what to tell you, except that I haven't yet seen one that washes to my satisfaction, and maybe the lackadaisical agitation and turnover is partly responsible for the quiet.
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Post# 43871-8/24/2004-16:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo
MESSAGE: WOW Jimmy, this could be a very exciting find, I'm waiting on the edge of my seat to hear. Please drive safely and let us know when you can.
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Post# 43872-8/24/2004-16:29 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Belt Drive Whirlpool Safety Switch
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Scott,
That's the same as we have here.
Nathan
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Post# 43873-8/24/2004-17:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jimmy! You, Robert, GregM & GregN seem to have the best luck at finding machines. Be sure to post pics and let everyone know what else there is to offer!
--Austin
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Post# 43874-8/24/2004-17:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: free to a good home
MESSAGE: Is it in good working condition? I would like to have one of the "early" wringers, provided it's useable.
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Post# 43875-8/24/2004-17:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: You know...except for the Norge-designed machines and the snapping of solenoids which is music to our ears, many older machines are quieter than modern ones. Just watch some of the videos.
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Post# 43876-8/24/2004-17:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: To follow up on this I have a 1970's GE/Hitachi Portable Washer with no sound insulation whatsoever as well as a thin cabinet and it makes less noise during spin than my DD Kenmore.
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Post# 43877-8/24/2004-17:52 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Canadian Kenmore Portable (it looks like mid 80s)
MESSAGE: To me it looks like early or mid 80s. Nice washer.
It seems to me that when they changed from the belt drive models to the direct drive models they also made the lid a bit larger than the previous models and instead of being hinged on the left they were hinged at the back. Even though the indent for the handle was in the same place. To me this machine looks like a DD.
Why is the mini Dual Action agitator dreaded?
Wish it were near by. I suppose I wouldn't mind a minor 10 hour drive accross the border.
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Post# 43878-8/24/2004-18:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Canadian Kenmore Portable (it looks like mid 80s)
MESSAGE: The mini Dual-Action agitator is horrible because not only is it boring, the turnover is marginal. The column is the same size as the other models, but with a short 1" corkscrew. It's also a little shorter.
If it absolutely had to be a DD Portable I'd find one with the common DD Surgilator. Turnover's the same as the mini Dual-Action but much more fun.
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Post# 43879-8/24/2004-18:36 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: I agree most modern appliances are much quieter than their older counterparts.However,even the "noisier" early ones,aren't usually much louder than the new ones,unless there's a bearing problem,or maybe being off balance.A lot probably depends on how much wear and tear that the machine's been though.
I know of mid 60's Maytag washers,that you could barely hear run.Other same vintage Maytags that sounded like a freight train.
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Post# 43880-8/24/2004-18:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (Loud)
MESSAGE: You said that right! Those old Norge's were some of the loudest machines out there!
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Post# 43881-8/24/2004-18:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: The loudest: Norge, GE, any others?
The quietest: ABC/Kelvinator, SQ (except for the solenoid)
My friend's new Kenmore dishwasher is really quiet. His new KM washer 90 series, well... it's louder than a belt drive Kenmore.
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Post# 43882-8/24/2004-19:55 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: free to a good home
MESSAGE: yea the old girl still runs but she must be low on oil she is gettin stiff i dont think it would be a good everyday machine but more of a looker
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Post# 43883-8/24/2004-20:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: What about Frigidaire, Whirlpool/Kenmore, and Philco? Judging by the videos, Robert's old Philco was louder than his newer machine.
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Post# 43884-8/24/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Repair Manuals
MESSAGE: Does anyone have some 1947 Bendix Literature that they can scan in for me?
Let me know.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 43885-8/24/2004-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (2 sets - we're so RARE!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks-was curious-left my Applianceville dictionary of appliance terms at home-Now I know what you mean-the vanes at the front of the drum just behind the door.That a good fun fact-the rareity of machines equipped with the "Nubulators"Could the term apply to the small "finlets" on the bases of WP surgilator agitators? I mean the small vanes between the large ones.
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Post# 43886-8/24/2004-21:50 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (how odd)
MESSAGE: Thank you Ray I hope to keep everyone up to date on the Streamliner's progress back to Showroom condition.
How odd Ray, they actually used these machines but created some kind of extension for the timer control up through the counter?? Where in NJ did they do this? I'd love to see that, just when you think you know the whole history of automatics up pops a new unexpected chapter! Thanks for sharing your memories.
jon
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Post# 43887-8/24/2004-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Bendix out Streamliner In!)
MESSAGE: You guessed it Louis, Theres no room at the Inn and the Bendix Gyramatic is to head out the door to the Cape and the Streamliner will take his place which will be a very prominent place for it.
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Post# 43888-8/24/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Canadian Kenmore Portable (it looks like mid 80s)
MESSAGE: I saw one of those in a machine that was waiting for the "krusher" behind an apartment complex near the one I lived in.I had one of those "compact" KN washers and even modified a regular DA agitator for it. The agitator in it before had hardly any turnover at all. Almost looked something like a bowling pin with vanes.I did cut the orig lower vanes down a little bit-were too long and even splashed water out of the machine. When I trimmed them-it worked perfect.When I moved from that home(Manassas VA townhome) put the orig agitator back. Saved the one I "modified" still have it in my spare parts. I also had to put one of those rubber washers under the top of the agitator where it mounted on the agitator shaft.
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Post# 43889-8/24/2004-22:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Ooohh I like that)
MESSAGE: Tolivac I like that "Finlets"!! Yes I agree it could!
finlets=nubulators
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Post# 43890-8/24/2004-22:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo (Filter Flo's adventure.)
MESSAGE: and some kind of Apex (?) machine... My fingers are crossed I have wanted to see one of these, since I first found this site.
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Post# 43891-8/24/2004-22:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Ooohh I like that)
MESSAGE: Attention class! The new word for today is "Finlets"Lets review:the word for yesterday is "Nubulator"We need to add those to the Applianceville Dictionary of appliance terms.I have always wondered what the "Finlets" do.I could understand the "Nubulators"-Flip clothes away from the door in the "Westy" washers.
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Post# 43892-8/24/2004-22:32 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Water Enters Top , Jet stream)
MESSAGE: Jet, Thanks for the answers and I will stay tuned for your pics. Thankyou alr2903
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Post# 43893-8/24/2004-22:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (DIY Noise Reduction on DW's)
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have a good cure for anyone who has a "builders brand" dishwasher.The Bb models usually don't have cabinet or door insulation. Bet neighboring tenents appreciate it too!I used to have a Hotpoint BB dishwasher that had insulation and it sounded like a B17 bomber running in your kitchen!And--maybe the landlord appreciated your insulation job as well!Did he ask you to treat other machines?
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Post# 43894-8/24/2004-23:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (Noise Levels, Old vs New)
MESSAGE: It seemed to me that dishwashers made the most intrusive noise of any of the household machines.As I mentioned on another post I had a Hotpoint Builders model dishwasher that did have insulation on the cabinet but it still sounded like you practically had a tractor running in your kitchen. I replaced it with a WP KA machine and for the most part you have to put your ear up to it to hear it as it runs.-And it cleans better.As far as the wassher noises were concerned-I like the various sounds they make-would make a "foley Artists dream-You could make the washer sound like a flying saucer taking off to the subtile clicking sounds the Wig-wags make sound the some of the spaceship cockpit sounds on "Alien"I also like "snapping" soleniods.Soleniod fans would love the ones in the tape machines I worked on in radio stations.Scully 275's make the most distinctive and loud "CLACK" when actuated into play or record.Dryer sounds are pretty hum-drum-the rushing air from the blower and the clicking and clanking of buttons and zippers against the metal drum.
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Post# 43895-8/24/2004-23:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (noise)
MESSAGE: To me, the "noise" is part of the deal, because each brand makes distinctive sounds as it's operating. Most guys here could tell you blindfolded whether they were listening to a GE, KM/WP, Maytag, or Speed Queen washer. Same for dishwashers.
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Post# 43896-8/24/2004-23:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: Actually, dishwasher technology hasn't really changed in the same time period, either. Still just a pump and spray arms. the only thing "new" is more insulation, metal to plastic construction, electronic controls, and the machine heating the water itself. The last "big" change was the switch from impeller to spray arm technology, and that happened in the 60's.
With washers, it's even less than 20 years, the Neptune top loader, Calypso, and GE Harmony aren't that old. Before that it was always just variations on a central agitator, or FL tumble machines, back to the beginning of washers.
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Post# 43897-8/24/2004-23:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (DIY Noise Reduction on DW's)
MESSAGE: The loudest dishwassher I've ever heard was one of the Tappan models with the spring loaded "reversing" spray arms a friend had in his apartment. It was LOUD. I cannabalized parts for it fromother machines that were being thrown out from other apartments, but it ultimately got replaced by a GE even though it still worked.
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Post# 43898-8/25/2004-00:02 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Outer tub leak solutions? (Leaks Fixed!)
MESSAGE: Pumper and I got the GE washer leaks repaired (they were rust holes in the uppper outer tub caused by previous out-of-balance loads rubbing against the outer tub) so no more problems there.
And the Lady Kenmore runs like a dream. I tinkered with the pump after replacing the inner gasket and it works great!
Now we have to "Frankenstein" a machine out of the late '70s Magic Chef and mid-70's Wards Signature machine to make something that works. They both appear to leak from the main tub gasket and the Wards machine tub tends to lean forward during agitation. We're also doing the same thing with two 1966 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe Rapidrys. We'll keep you posted!
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Post# 43899-8/25/2004-01:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (DIY Noise Reduction on DW's)
MESSAGE: In the apartments I lived in mostly saw GE-Hotpoint machines.One place had "rotary rack" Kenmores-but replaced them with a GE machine.The apartment house that had the roto racks was built in 1959.The townhome I lived in had a Kenmore machine. Never used the Tappans.The KN machines were pretty quiet.The GE Hotpoints they used were louder. Same with the Hotpoint machine that was in the home I am now.It was replaced with a WP-KA machine.Still looking for a vintage Hobaret KA machine to replace the newer one-to restore the originality of the house I am in. It was built in 1972.
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Post# 43900-8/25/2004-01:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Noisy dishwashers
MESSAGE: Now that I think of it, the noise the Tappan made might have been topped by an early 60's GE Mobile Maid (one of the last of the impeller models) that I had. You could hardly talk while it was running. I don't think it helped that those were single wall machines, unlike some other s that were tubs within a cabinet construction.
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Post# 43901-8/25/2004-02:22 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: Dishwashers may still just have a pump and spray arms, but they can do a load with 13L of water, instead of 60L or more the belts are gone and the motors are mounted horizontally, giving more space.
They now have condensor drying (Less Energy Consumption) and flow through heaters, (No more melted plastics) and some of the european ones preheat the water using the steam and heat in the cabinet for the next fill.
My favorite development has been the soft food disposer, I never rinse and only remove solid scraps and the dishwasher always manages to dispose of the mess, while not redepositing onto the dishes.
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Post# 43902-8/25/2004-02:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (GE Potscrubber)
MESSAGE: We had a GE Potscrubber from the mid 70's that always sounded like a tractor running in the kitchen even though it was builtin.
It washed ok, but the noise was unbeleivable.
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Post# 43903-8/25/2004-03:00 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
KITCHENAID IMPERIAL CONVERTIBLE PORTABLE DISHWASHER
MESSAGE: They're coming out of the woodwork!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3835508587&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 43904-8/25/2004-06:38 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers
MESSAGE: my 50's KA and my '63 KA are fairly quiet for an "older" machine, but all my GE's are very noisy. Even the '69 Kenmore (D&M) design is fairly quiet too. The '73 KA with the four-way spray arm is noisier than the previous (pre-'65) models with the cast-iron spray arm, but in my opinion, the four-way spray arm is a better "cleaner-performer" than the cast iron spray arm, at least with my use in comparing the two.
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Post# 43905-8/25/2004-06:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: my '63 Kenmore washer is VERY quiet, except when you can hear the "marbles" in the self-clean filter rattling around during the drain. My older Maytag is fairly quiet too, the GE's and my Norges are very noisy. My Frigidaires are VERY quiet up to the rollermatics, and newer are much noisier. My "rollermatic" is much, much noisier than my multi-matic.
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Post# 43906-8/25/2004-06:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Bendix out Streamliner In!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
What do you plan on doing with the Bendix once the Westy gains its "throne"?
--Austin
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Post# 43907-8/25/2004-07:25 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo (Good Luck Jimmy)
MESSAGE: I hope that you are able to fill up your van with all kinds of goodies! I'll be anxious to see pics, too.
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Post# 43908-8/25/2004-07:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heard from Filter Flo (Good Luck Jimmy)
MESSAGE: I also consider the PC Laundromat rare...good luck!
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Post# 43909-8/25/2004-07:53 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (GE Potscrubber Tractor Division)
MESSAGE: I recently visited my sister in Phoenix. She's finally using her 10+ year old GE Potscrubber dishwasher. We loaded it up after dinner, turned it on, and the racket was unbelievable! It still cleans well, just very, very loud. She asked if that was "normal." They've had the house abut 6 years and never used the machine, it was there when they bought it.
I told her that we had replaced our GE Potscrubber last March with a Bosch. I explained that with this model, all you hear is just a slight whooshing sound of water while it's running and a gurgle when it drains.
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Post# 43910-8/25/2004-07:54 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (how odd)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, This development is in Carteret, NJ where I live. It is off of exit 12 off of the New Jersey turnpike. I do not know the model of the machine, because I was little at the time, but it was some where in the mid 50's. The strange thing about the timer control was that it was not near the washer. It was on top of the counter near the sink, which was about 2-3 ft away. I would love to have a machine like this.
Ray
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Post# 43911-8/25/2004-08:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: I know this is getting modern but my friend's new Kenmore dishwasher has a "smart wash" cycle.
We loaded in some real nasty dishes. Dried on food, coffee and milk stains in the cups. Yuck.
He loaded it up and pushed ONE button and 90 minutes (or whatever) later... spotless dishes! And it's super quiet. The old Whirlpool KA he had had a bad bearing so it squealed the whole time.
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Post# 43912-8/25/2004-08:54 ||| Judyjordan (Battle Creek)
SUBJECT:
kenmore stove
MESSAGE: please help me figure out if a stove that was left in a house is worth any money. It is probabley a 1950's stove, Kenmore with 3 porcelain covers in great condition 42" wide..thanks Judy
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Post# 43913-8/25/2004-10:27 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: KITCHENAID IMPERIAL CONVERTIBLE PORTABLE DISHWASHER
MESSAGE: The seller says this is an early 80's machine,but can anyone tell if it is Hobart or a Whirlpool made unit?
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Post# 43914-8/25/2004-10:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: KITCHENAID IMPERIAL CONVERTIBLE PORTABLE DISHWASHER (Hobart)
MESSAGE: Hobart all the way!
What a great looking dishwasher!
Brent
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Post# 43915-8/25/2004-10:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
Go Jimmy Go!
MESSAGE: Jimmy have a safe trip and have fun!
I bet you are so excited!
Can't wait to hear what you find!
Brent
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Post# 43916-8/25/2004-12:34 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: kenmore stove
MESSAGE: Hi,
I provided a link to try. Search Yahoo or Google under antique stove restoration and there are many sites to contact regarding the value of your stove. Generally, an unrestored stove of 42" can fetch 100-300 dollars depending on the features. Restored, they can sell for 1500 to 3000 depending on how far the restoration goes. I bought my 1957 Wedgewood Holly for $20 from the front yard of the original owners. It cost about $1300 to have it restored but it did not need new porcelain. That would have been another $1300. I hope you can find someone to save it. I am sure there is a buyer out there for it. Best of luck,
MK in LBC
LINK: http://www.antiquestoves.com/stoverestoration/
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Post# 43917-8/25/2004-18:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
EBay G E set
MESSAGE: Looks to be a set from the 70's,reasonable starting bid.
kennyGF
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3835032661&rd=1
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Post# 43918-8/25/2004-19:08 ||| glenn (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: I was wondering if any of the members are aware of any parts company that still carry parts for a 1968 Lady kenmore Wringer. I am in need of the wringer assembly parts.
Any help would be greatlt appriciated
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Post# 43919-8/25/2004-21:03 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (Proof)
MESSAGE: I'd like proof of that statement---that your Hydrasweep cleans better than your cast iron model!
jetcone -defender of Cast Iron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 43920-8/25/2004-21:04 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Bendix out Streamliner In!)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin: Right now I am planning on building a second collection at my Cape house. Thank you for your interest.
jet
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Post# 43921-8/25/2004-21:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: Thats like Roberts APEX we coated glasses with smoothie material and let it dry a whole day (24 hours) to see what the Apex could get off. It got off most everything but a few minor specks HOWEVER Roberts' 1940's JAMES with its Steam Clean cycle got everything spotless! Steam Cleaning is the way to go! GO WITH JAMES!!
jetcone
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Post# 43922-8/25/2004-21:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: What did CR use as a "coating" when they tested dishwashers in 1952? The Apex was one of the lowest-rated models, and the James was only average, but Robert's photos with "real-life" kitchen grime show just the opposite.
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Post# 43923-8/25/2004-21:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Streamliner Makes it HOME! YAY! (Remote timer control)
MESSAGE: Theoretically if you just extend and insulate the wires, as well as make a "cabinet" for the timer housing (with a cutout for the dial & other controls of course), you could very well put it 2-3 feet away from the machine.
I imagine that this wasn't something the manufacturer did, but a builder's creativity of working around lack of space...also I wouldn't be surprised if some of the machines were still there. Know any original owners?
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Post# 43924-8/25/2004-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Go Jimmy Go!
MESSAGE: Jimmy I hope that you have a safe trip and find lots of treasures. I will look forward to your pictures!
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Post# 43925-8/25/2004-22:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels (dishwasher technology)
MESSAGE: I don't remember what CR used in their report, but its in the club library if anyone wishes to see it. We really can't compare their 1952 results to my 2004 results even with the same machine because modern dishwasher detergent has come such a very long way.
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Post# 43926-8/25/2004-22:03 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: old washer noise levels
MESSAGE: Like many of you have mentioned, the "noises" are really music to my ears! We bought a new GE washer in 1978 and used it faithfully until the motor went out 5 months ago--VERY few repairs the whole time. Wish we'd replaced the motor and kept the washer. I miss the purr of the motor and the CLAP-CLAP at the end of the spin cycle...not to mention the rhythmic splashing of the ramp agitator during small load washes.
I seem to remember some older Maytags that made a distinct, high pitched whine during the spin cycle, something like the sound of a hair dryer running. Am I only dreaming here?
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Post# 43927-8/25/2004-22:14 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Filter Flo's Van Is Full
MESSAGE: Heard from Filter Flo late today.
The van is full, 7 washing machines packed in there. He says he got a blackstone, Kenmore number 1, a hotpoint set, a westinghouse set, and some others. He was talking and driving and so was I so I could not write it down so please don't quote me for accuracy.
Golittlesport, Filter Flo is all set for our get together over the labor day weekend. He says he will have pictures to share of his trip. It should be fun!
MK in LBC