The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 44041-8/27/2004-19:43 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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What's old is new...
MESSAGE: While looking through the trade in pile at a local Lowes store,I saw a 30" gas stove,early 50's vintage.The strange thing is the name plate,which said RCA Estate.No mention of Whirlpool.I knew of the RCA/Whirlpool connection,but RCA on it's own?
And Estate is the entry level brand of Whirlpool these days.One big cycle.....
kennyGF
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Post# 44042-8/27/2004-20:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (circa 1984)
MESSAGE: My 1986 LK DD has an OOB. I had friends with a 1984 or 1985 Series 70 washer that was DD but it had the same centered-dial as the BD, just mde a different noise (that i"m used to now with the DD LK) than a BD did. Owner did remark to me she used delicate a lot cuz the machine seemed harshe on clothes on regular.
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Post# 44043-8/27/2004-21:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: RCA was making plastic-GE style machines for a while so they must have been a division of GE, not sure if they are now, but that's Sandbox material...
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Post# 44044-8/27/2004-21:36 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I thought Roper was the entry level these days for Whirlpool. Its really pointlessly confusing when these appliance names get bought and sold and combined. In the 60s RCA was with Whirlpool. Then I remember in the 90s when GE bought RCA and stuck the RCA nameplate on base model washers and refrigerators for a time. It cheapens the name I think. Consider Electrolux. I was always so fond of Lux but it turns out that company has been bought and sold more than a republican lobbiest. Consolidated Foods in the 70s, then SaraLee in the 80s, and on so on. Today there isn't even an American made Lux the plastic canisters these days going for $1499 are called Aerus/Lux. I miss the good old days.
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Post# 44045-8/27/2004-21:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: This brings up a question: Do you know of any vintage Roper machines left in existance, before the DD-design days? Also, didn't someone own Roper before Whirlpool?
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Post# 44046-8/27/2004-21:41 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I saw like an 1930s gas Roper stove at this appliance store last year. It was the kind with the claw feet cast iron. I think they started out as a stove company ??
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Post# 44047-8/27/2004-21:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I know of old stoves; I'm referring to their washer line.
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Post# 44048-8/27/2004-22:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: There were no Roper washers before direct drive that I know of.
Roper was a stove company (gas & electric) and also made stoves for Sears Kenmore. I think GE sold the Roper name to Whirlpool in the 80's. GE originally bought the Roper stove co. Some early GE gas stoves are of the Roper design, and some early Hotpoint brand electric ranges are of the Roper design.
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Post# 44049-8/27/2004-22:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Circa 1984)
MESSAGE: The DD models have a much larger lid & opening than the belt-drive designs. I saw a 'minty' 24" belt-drive about a year ago in the free section of Lowes. Tempted to play with it but I think I was out of room at the time...oh wait, I still am out of room!
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Post# 44050-8/27/2004-22:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Circa 1984)
MESSAGE: Lowe's has a free section? I frequent Lowe's looking at the "Lowe"-end DD machines, but haven't noticed that! Please provide me with details! ;-)
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Post# 44051-8/28/2004-00:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Lowes)
MESSAGE: That's at the back of the store where the doomed appliances live.
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Post# 44052-8/28/2004-00:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: I did a Google for RCA Estate and I found this ad. Looks like RCA had something going with Estate in the 50s before they picked up Whirlpool.
LINK: http://www.ioffer.com/i/1954-RCA-ESTATE-RANGE-LG-COLOR-AD-3315792
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Post# 44053-8/28/2004-00:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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YAY!
MESSAGE: I turned 16 yesterday!! Maybe a Frigidaire Jet-Action won't be too far off; will have to check the "free section" of Lowe's!
For those of you interested, I posted pictures of some of the classic/vintage (pre-1988; before my time if you don't count the Powermatic nozzle) vacuums I have. A Kirby Tradition, Comvac 1300, Hoover Decade, and 2 Shop-Vacs aren't shown because they're in the attic; I'll try to post them tomorrow. No washer enthusiast should be stuck with a boring, plastic, modern vacuum, in my opinion!
Believe it or not, Eureka made decent upright vacuums until 1991--2 or so, with the introduction of the flimsy, weak, and loud Bravo series. We had one from 1992; it lasted all of 3 years and the motor burnt up.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@Vacuums%201@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/
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Post# 44054-8/28/2004-00:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: I forgot to mention, the Bravo replaced an orange/white Eureka upright a few years older than mine, but with the same styling. I see these on eBay from time to time but they usually aren't in good shape. My grandmother also had one of the last "traditional-style" white Eurekas until 1999 when she gave it to my aunt.
I love the humming/beating sound the Vibra-Groomer-I makes on carpet, as well as the droning of a Eureka motor (with a faint whine). The Convertible 1020 comes close (out of all the Convertibles I've used, it sounds the most like a Eureka; yes it does have the original Hoover motor) but it's not quite the same.
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Post# 44055-8/28/2004-00:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: "Why is it the "whacko" comes out in people when it comes down to anything regarding laundry, or washing machines???"
Can't quite put a finger on it, but I've seen other customers at used-appliance stores look at me strangely when I open each & every machine's lid. At an estate sale I opened up a Kenmore dryer full of clothes and somebody stopped & stared.
Apparently they don't know it's the
agitator that counts, as it determines the "Entertainment Rating" of a machine. Also a machine could look great cosmetically, but the tub could be a "grody" mess. And washers do clean people's underwear; maybe that might account for something. Who knows??
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Post# 44056-8/28/2004-00:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing the nice pictures of your collection, you have some fine cleaners there, and happy birthday! You share a birthday (date) with a good friend of mine.
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Post# 44057-8/28/2004-00:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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E Bay KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Model no is KDI-61 and yes it does have a spray arm under the upper rack.
So how good was this model? thinking of getting it for a roommate who had to move back home to his dishwasherless parent's house.
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Post# 44058-8/28/2004-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers ("
Constant Rinse")
MESSAGE: That tank-top spray arm seems to be a feature only on the TOL machines except for GE, where they put the "Power Shower" in most every model. Interesting how some manufacturers simply aim a stream of water at a disc that spins (Wards, KA) and throws the water back down, and some (early Frigidaire, D & M, GE) actually pumped water to the tank top sprayer. Then, of course, there were those (some D & M, Maytag) with full size tank-top mounted spray arms.
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Post# 44059-8/28/2004-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers (Disappointed KM DW customers)
MESSAGE: Whenthe Roto Racks disappeared, the wash system became divided into 2 camps, the "toweer system onthe BOL and MOL machines, and the 3 level system (lower, upper, and tank top spray arms>) I imagine the "disappointment" was with the lesser machines, my 3 level 78 model always cleaned excellently, though it wasn't the quietest machine none. There was always this long "squeak" noise, probably from the ceramic/carbon seal in the pump, when the motor would cut off and coast to a stop.
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Post# 44060-8/28/2004-01:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Talk about low-end... (cheap washer)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, not even a hot water start! Just warm and cold
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Post# 44061-8/28/2004-01:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: Yep, all the problems I've experienced with the Roto Rack (except for the not being pushed in all the way, since my machine is a TL model)
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Post# 44062-8/28/2004-01:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: All of these machines needed some type of work when I bought them. The Dial-A-Matics needed a good cleaning and use (they smelled like stale cigarettes and needed to be run), not one scent-absorbent part of the Convertible 1020 didn't smell like smoke so I had to put a new outer bag (NOS top-fill) & cord (from a Convertible 700 that just didn't work well) on, and I almost ruined it by vacuuming up Glade carpet freshener (it began to corrode the brushroll and stick to the wheels; luckily I Windexed everything when I did but some of it's still there). The Junior needed its brushroll bearings greased, and the hard-to-find bag bellows assembly somehow
melted (very strange) and leaked air. Luckily I found a place with NOS parts in stock and replaced the bellows (replacement was dated 1986), so it now works perfectly. However, it has a weak handle release (I've learned not to roll it on the 2 back wheels; otherwise the handle release will slip and the nozzle will come crashing down), and since it's a design flaw (Hoover should have stuck to the Convertible bail assembly) I can't do much about that. The Eureka had been professionally serviced, so I really didn't have to do much to it except pull off some slivers of plastic from the Vibra-Grommer's beaters, and remove the remnants of a sticker on the hood.
As for the other machines, the Decade 80 smelled like smoke so I replaced the outer bag and the Shop-Vac 600C had a rusted tank (with some small holes) so I had to epoxy the tank as well as clean the motor housing, and find some NOS tools for it. The Kirby ComVac had a bad belt and needed a good cleaning, and the Tradition needed a cleaning as well as a new rug nozzle. I also had to wash the bag (one of few times the DD Kenmore worked well). I'm still working on the Shop-Vac 600; I cleaned the housing and the tank is in good shape with no rust, but it needs a new cord strain relief.
As for performance, all 5 "house machines" work well on carpets and bare floors. I was really surprised at how the Eureka works on floors since it's a horizontal-fan machine (these types tend to "kick" dirt at your feet when cleaning floors), and the Dial-A-Matics have powerful tool suction and can/will pick up anything. I keep the Junior in my closet (cleans my room only so it doesn't see much use), however did use it in the living room last Christmas because none of the "modern" vacuums (GE upright & Euro-Pro canister; since given away) worked well on pine needles.
--Austin
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Post# 44063-8/28/2004-01:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: Is your '62 Roto-Rack an impeller machine?
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Post# 44064-8/28/2004-02:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Filter Flo's Van Is Full (Mechanical Mandy)
MESSAGE: It may not have been "subtle", but it certainly was "normal" for the time, since most maids/laundresses WERE Black. I'm Black and looking at those ads doesn't bother me, it's just how it was and it can't be changed now. In fact, the ads from those days make me laugh now.
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Post# 44065-8/28/2004-02:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Filter Flo's Van Is Full (Are you crazy??)
MESSAGE: Oh, give the kid a break, even I get tired of the "political correctness" thing sometimes, seems like everybody is so TOUCHY these days, it's like walking on eggshells.
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Post# 44066-8/28/2004-02:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Bendix Water Level/Austin's Bendix Update (grounding)
MESSAGE: If the timer is mounted to the frame, yes. And has been mentioned in earlier posts, it certainly won't hurt to run a wire to the frame, too. As also has been said, take the back off of a newer machine and see how they ground the components.
"Grounding question: Can you ground a machine to a timer mount? If not, since the new cord has a short ground wire, I'll just get some more wire and bring it all the way down to the frame... "
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Post# 44067-8/28/2004-02:17 ||| wilkinsservis (Melbourne Australia)
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I may be a bit slow but....
MESSAGE: What did Westytoploader say that was so heinous?
Peter
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Post# 44068-8/28/2004-02:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (opening washing machine lid)
MESSAGE: I suspect opening someone's washer lid is akin to looking in their medicine chest in their bathroom.
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Post# 44069-8/28/2004-02:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Pics of the Pig (milkshake washer)
MESSAGE: They probably either had different washers during the run of the show, or, the producers did the same as in the I Love Lucy episode where they substituted the Roper gas range for Lucy's usual electric range to in order suit the plot line and substituted a TL agitator machine for the usual Duomatic for that one episode of Dennis The Menace.
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Post# 44070-8/28/2004-03:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Roper had their own range line, but they also made ranges for a lot of other companies. But anyways, I thought GE ended up with Roper. In fact, I think there was a "bidding war" between thGE and Whirlpool, and GE won. Correct me if I'm wrong?
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Post# 44071-8/28/2004-03:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Gee, what a tangled history! Roper was purchased by GE in 1989. At that time Roper owned the company that made the original weed eater, which became Poulan. That company was spun off after GE bought Roper, and then was purchased by, of all companies, Electrolux. Meanwhile, somehow Roper went from GE to Whirlpool.
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Post# 44072-8/28/2004-03:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: What's old is new... (RCA Whirlpool connection)
MESSAGE: From what I could figure, RCA never owned Whirlpool, they simply struck some kind of marketing agreement. Even though Whilpool was a big name, RCA was an even BIGGER name. I suspect RCA wanted to be more like GE and Westinghouse where they made EVERYTHING electrical for the home from light bulbs to major appliances and everything in between
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Post# 44073-8/28/2004-03:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: I think in your case, it might be also that you were a 15 year old male looking at washing machines. That's not something people usually see. :-)
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Post# 44074-8/28/2004-03:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers (62 KM Roto Rack)
MESSAGE: yes, it's an impeller machine
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Post# 44075-8/28/2004-03:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: I am not sure I understand it either...I have the feeling though that as much as people dismiss anything regarding laundry as a necessary evil, it is still very personal. Perhaps they feel it is like snooping through someone's desk drawer.
OTOH, they may just think that it so insignificant, WHY would a normal person be interested? Little do they know.....
More sales today.......
Regards,
Me
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Post# 44076-8/28/2004-04:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: Normally I can also get down as much as anyone else - but she looked so agitated (no pun intended) I figured this was one I needed to flee.....
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Post# 44077-8/28/2004-05:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
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RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday! Best Wishes! And thanks for the pix! -Steve
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Post# 44078-8/28/2004-05:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: Great looking,ad! I should have looked for the model and serial tag,to see if it had a builders name on it,or if it said RCA.
kennyGF
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Post# 44079-8/28/2004-06:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Roper was big in outdoor products for a long time.They built a lot of tractors for Sears,among other things.
Concerning their appliances,I only saw Roper stoves before all the takeovers started.I never knew of a Roper/GE connection,just the Roper/Whirlpool one.
kennyGF
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Post# 44080-8/28/2004-07:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
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I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Last week I saw an ad on an auction site of a 60's dishwasher and it appeared to be a Miele. I completely fell in love with it immediately. Like the older KitchenAid machines it doesn't have a spray arm under the upper rack, however there is a spray arm in the top of the dishwasher.
This dishwasher comes from a home from an elder lady that probably didn't use it anymore as a dishwasher since there was mud on the bottom. I guess she used it as an extra storage space. After she passed away the house was renovated and the builder took the dishwasher home. It was in his shop, covered with dust. I bought it and schlepped it home with my friend Ed (who by the way thinks I should consider collecting stamps...). I cleaned it and took some pictures.
It's a special machine, it can be connected to the power in many ways. 380V three phase, 220V three phase, normal 220V and some other possibility I don't fully understand. There is a special plug, but I still have to find out what connection it is for. Besides that it needs a floor drain, I think there is no drain pump. It means there is no way I can use it, but it's a wonderful piece of early sixties technology.
It also came with what I think is a separate water softener, it's the blue thing in the last picture. That thing is very heavy so I assume the salt is still in there. BTW, the dishwasher is very heavy too, I think it might be 160 - 200 lbs.
Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/album/180608176wBCzoD
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Post# 44081-8/28/2004-07:34 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
wow, that dishwasher looks so great. Thanx for saving it :-)
Kai
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Post# 44082-8/28/2004-09:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: What's old is new... (Weed Eater)
MESSAGE: I just bought a gas blower made by Weed Eater. And guess what I saw? An Electrolux label! So somwhere it's akin to my Frigemore.
Anyway for you lawn equipment nuts, this is the new Featherlite blower. Weighs less than my electric blower. It's not very quiet because it is a blower and it's gas, but the sound isn't as shrill as the electric ones.
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Post# 44083-8/28/2004-09:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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POD Todd's Hotpoint
MESSAGE: This is a HP set that looks almost like the one Tcox is getting soon YAY! The washer is a little different but the dryer looks the same. I can't wait to see 'em.
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Post# 44084-8/28/2004-10:19 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
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RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: koo-l'
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Post# 44085-8/28/2004-10:35 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: I remember being about 9 when my family was in a laundromat up north. It had rows of old solid tub Speed Queens, and I peeked over people's shoulders a few times if the lids were up to watch them agitate as clothes/detergent were added. The people using them didn't seem to mind at all, but I was absolutely berrated by my Dad on the way back to the cottage once "What were you looking at!!" Etc, etc.
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Post# 44086-8/28/2004-10:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Speaking of the bronze tinny-looking tub and black agitator, does anyone remember a Westinghouse BOL top loader that looked similar? The colors were the same, but the agitator had three very low straight vanes. I think they were belt-driven because I remember old literature stating that strokes per minute were 70. I'm guessing that this machine did not have very good turn-over. It had one cycle with a long hot wash.
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Post# 44087-8/28/2004-11:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Bendix Water Level/Austin's Bendix Update (grounding)
MESSAGE: No the timer's not attached to the frame, but rather the porcelain top, so I'll have to go the full nine yards and extend the wire to the frame. It already has a grounding cable going from the motor to the frame, but I'm trying to prevent those occasional little *zaps*...
The GE Portable has a ground wire running to the lower cabinet; it's not attached to the frame but the frame's much smaller than the Bendix's anyway.
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Post# 44088-8/28/2004-11:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Pics of the Pig (milkshake washer)
MESSAGE: That makes sense because I don't think a Duomatic would mix ice cream up well...;-)
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Post# 44089-8/28/2004-11:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: And when they see me buy one they're really surprised!
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Post# 44090-8/28/2004-11:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I figured that GE had Roper for a short time, because someone mentioned about "RoperPoint" machines with the ramp agitator. Still haven't seen one yet but that doesn't mean they're out there.
Roper machines are some of the least expensive new washers out there, with prices ranging from $217 to $330. They changed their cosmetic design recently; I noticed the control panel looked different from the usual early-90's Kenmore style panel. Maybe that's a good thing ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 44091-8/28/2004-12:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Handsome dishwasher; somewhat resembles a KitchenAid. And look at that stainless on the inside--WOW!
Just tell Ed that you can't watch the washing action of stamps, and they don't exactly clean clothes either ;-)
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Post# 44092-8/28/2004-12:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Couldn't have owned them very long.The only Roper washers I'm familiar with are the DD Whirlpool design.
kennyGF
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Post# 44093-8/28/2004-13:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Here it is...and it does look similar to a Hotpoint agitator as Robert stated.
Judging from the previous picture of the machine I saw only 1 knob.
LINK: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/estatesale3/detail?.dir=a1ed&.dnm=d6e0.jpg
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Post# 44094-8/28/2004-13:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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Westies in the Movies/WOWT Washer Footage
MESSAGE: Robert posted a while back about how his Laundromat set is missing since it was being used in a movie, and the subject was dropped. What movie are they in?
Also, Greg recently posted a message about his collection featured in WOWT, NBC Channel 6 Omaha. Was this shown already, and is there footage on the site?
Let us know.
--Austin
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Post# 44095-8/28/2004-13:11 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
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RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: I remember those BOL WCI machines.Short fins and no vanes on the post,combined with an indexing tub,...the cleaning must have been dismal.
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Post# 44096-8/28/2004-13:16 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi! That is a really beautiful machine. It looks like new! Thanks for sharing! -Steve
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Post# 44097-8/28/2004-13:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Even WITH post vanes the WCI machines were dismal. LOL
If WCI included a tub brake it could have cleaned better...like I said I held the tub in place and the turnover was fine.
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Post# 44098-8/28/2004-14:01 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That is beautiful and classy looking! What a great find.
You can tell that it is super heavy! Looks like it is built like a tank. Just sitting there, the spray arms look like they would be so powerfull!
I would love to hear it run! I wonder if you would be able to hook up some kind of drain to it?
Brent
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Post# 44099-8/28/2004-14:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: If it wasn't so darn heavy and on wheels you could probably roll it near your shower and use it.
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Post# 44100-8/28/2004-14:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: WE didn't have near that much problem. Even with knives and similar long stuff, I was very careful about interlacing so that things wouldn't get to the edge of the rack due to centrifical force. Only problem we had was with my mom's crystal, gobblet bases would reach beyond the top of the rack edge and hit the sides of tub. I figured out how to load around it and showed mom. Sometimes she'd listen LOL.
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Post# 44101-8/28/2004-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: Good luck anthony. Let us know if today was far more pleasant experience.
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Post# 44102-8/28/2004-14:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Super cool, Louis! I love those wash arms - those holes remind me of 60's dishwashers in the US. I'll bet that really pumps some water. Do you know any water usage figures for it compared with modern Miele dishwashers? Another feature I find interesting is that the lower rack has completely removeable and adjustable options for tines and baskets. This would be very flexible for large roasters, kettles, etc. and something American brands didn't offer in that time.
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Post# 44103-8/28/2004-14:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Luigi, very fascinating. I love the spray arms, amlost looks like pipes put together. Before you took out the bottom rack inserts, the area on the right side of the cutlery basket, what would have been put there. And the top rack, are the extreme left & right sides of the top rack, are those flippable cub shelves? Actually, would love to see you load it up with crockery, cubs, glass, and cutlery as a housewife of the day would have used it. And the two programs, "I' & "II". I imagine 'II" was a short wash. Wonder how quiet it aws in its day.
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Post# 44104-8/28/2004-15:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday)
MESSAGE: Louis
What a beautiful dishwasher - Best of Luck with it
Peter
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Post# 44105-8/28/2004-15:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Brent, this machine is indeed built like a tank. The drain this machine needs is not the type you will find in homes. I guess the house it was in had it especially made for this machine. It's a system that is used for commercial washers overhere, a flap in the bottom of the machine rather than a drain pump. The machine empties much quicker than with a drain pump.
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Post# 44106-8/28/2004-15:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Actually I remember the hotpoints still having bigger fins that had a decent turnover. This westy looks useless.
Peter
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Post# 44107-8/28/2004-15:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Actually this machine has two weels on the back. But the problem is that the shower is two floors higher than the shed it is in now...
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Post# 44108-8/28/2004-15:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
BLACKSTONE WASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hey Everyone! Here's a Blackstone washer on ebay. Lets save this one!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=6115346405&rd=1
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Post# 44109-8/28/2004-15:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't know much about the water and electricity usage (yet). There must be a huge heating element in this machine too, I guess it must be a flow through heater, like in modern machines because it isn't on the bottom of the machine. European dishwashers are connected to cold water only. I think I remember than the heating element is around 5500 Watts when connected to 380 - 400V.
The racks are indeed very flexible and you can remove the upper rack so tall items can be washed in it too.
I will contact Miele for more information on this dishwasher. I would love to have a manual for it.
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Post# 44110-8/28/2004-15:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (rack design)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on such a terrific DW. What a behemoth. Thanks for sharing the photos.
Single wash arm loading limitations a bore. However, the lower rack design configuration is superior. Especially placement of silverware basket being centered front to back. Early 70’s had a Westinghouse DW with same lower rack design. Although plates loaded facing inward. In the middle of silverware basket was a “stationary” wash tower. The bottom wash arm pumped water into the tower which struck a deflector causing it to revolve distributing wash/rinse action to top rack. Surprisingly, it yielded far better performance than that of the GE center wash tower.
Ease of loading the bottom rack was terrific. Load plates on one side of silverware basket. Pots, pans, bowls etc. on the other side. In the top rack load glasses above plates as to insure cleaning spray from both the tower and lower wash arm. Load the top rack above the bottom rack side of cookware with lightly soiled larger items like bowls, lids, colanders etc. Even glasses above pots were wash satisfactorily.
On several DW I have had and even this one now. I have repositioned the long silverware basket in the center of bottom rack front to back. Loosing space for only a few dishes (4). Truly makes loading simplistic regarding pots/pans. Wonder why Miele and others have abandoned this design?
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Post# 44111-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Louis, that dishwasher is so incredibly cool! Congratulations, times 10!!. You might be able to rig up a hose from the gravity drain into a bucket and then use an underwater pump to pump the water into the sink so you can try out the dishwasher.
If I may, I would love to copy those pictures and add them to "Vintage Fun Stuff", your find certainly is deserving of a permanent link somewhere on the club site.
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Post# 44112-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Bob,
Here's a picture of a Miele G45 with dishes in it. It was the POD on the German website on July 17th. In this picture the cutlery baskets are on the left side. I guess you could choose where to put those baskets. The shelves on both sides aren't flippable. The top rack isn't flexible at all in contrary to the lower rack.
BTW, I guess cub shelves are quite something different than cup shelves ;-)
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-7-17.html
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Post# 44113-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: I bet THAT could really sterilize things!
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Post# 44114-8/28/2004-15:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: And this one looks stuffed to the brim too, which gives us an idea of how much Louis's machine can hold.
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Post# 44115-8/28/2004-15:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: I don't understand how the Miele can recirculate the water for washing, but not be able to pump it out. Strange.
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Post# 44116-8/28/2004-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: While not quite as cool as Louis’ Miele find, I found this at a sale today and couldn’t resist. Should be fun to play with, I believe its from 1964-1965.
I just love the Porcelain top, that’s one of my most favorite parts about the machine…
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_KDI-55
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Post# 44117-8/28/2004-15:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks! And no problem, use the pictures for whatever you want. I'll make a link on this site too to my Webshots album.
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Post# 44118-8/28/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Wow Robert, can't believe it!! She looks a little "minty" as well!
Don't tell me this was $12 too...Minne estate sales must be incredible. ;-)
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Post# 44119-8/28/2004-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: In contrary to American dishwashers the European ones always used separate pumps for circulating and draining, both powered by their own motor. An everage recirculation pump is around 600 Watts (we use Watts and Kilowatts instead of HP for measuring the power of a motor) and a drain pump around 80 Watts. Older frontloader washers like Miele, Bosch and AEG used even had three motors. One for the pump, one for washing and one for spinning.
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Post# 44120-8/28/2004-15:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels)
MESSAGE: Robert,
This is a real cool find. Isn't this when they first started to use the 4 way washarm.
Peter
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Post# 44121-8/28/2004-15:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: But Robert, that is a very cool find! Congratulations!!! This machine was very well kept. I didn't know that generation KitchenAids came as portables too. I can't believe how shiny that porcelain top is.
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Post# 44122-8/28/2004-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I copied them to their own special album on the server. I also added a link under "Dishwashers" to your pictures on the "Vintage Fun Stuff" page.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_MieleDishwasher
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Post# 44123-8/28/2004-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, nope it was expensive, they wanted a whole $25 for it! ;)
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Post# 44124-8/28/2004-15:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I much prefer the porcelain top to a wood chopping block that become so common on the portables. This model is a convertable model as it can be built in too.
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Post# 44125-8/28/2004-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: BTW, forgot to tell this is machine is 27inch wide, so that gives a little more space on the inside.
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Post# 44126-8/28/2004-15:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert. BTW, the side shot shows the rinse aid dispenser. The water softener was not built in. IIRC from when I was young these water softenersit were an option that were just put in an adjacent cabinet.
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Post# 44127-8/28/2004-15:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Yes, I would prefer a porcelain top over a wooden one too. What I find so fascinating is that although the Miele and the KitchenAid are about the same age the KitchenAid looks more modern to me. The corners of the cabinet are sharper, the color is whiter and the control panel looks newer to me too.
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Post# 44128-8/28/2004-16:30 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Congrats on such a cool machine. I don't recall if it was mentioned or not,but when did Miele first start making dishwashers?
Pat
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Post# 44129-8/28/2004-16:36 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, corrections made to the headings.
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Post# 44130-8/28/2004-16:38 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Very nice Robert,...you sure know where to look. One question,why did these early dishwashers have the dial down on the access cover?
PC
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Post# 44131-8/28/2004-16:52 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: The Westy top loader we had (pre WCI)had ok turnover.With a big load forget it. But like you said,when i would stop the tub,those close would rollover pretty well.
Lots of water action on medium and smaller loads with that deep ramp agitator.
PC
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Post# 44132-8/28/2004-16:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: IIRC that was somewhere in the thirties. They started with making toploading dishwashers.
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Post# 44133-8/28/2004-16:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Woops...misspelled clothes
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Post# 44134-8/28/2004-17:02 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis,...I think the first Miele dw's i seen were in the early 90's over here.It is something,that classic you just picked up,...the fact that way back then you could take out the tines on the bottom rack just goes to show how far ahead the folks at Miele were thinking.
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Post# 44135-8/28/2004-18:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Well after putting the new clear hose on, and adding a 3-prong plug, I did a load in my Bendix today, all I can say is WOW, HOW FUN!!!! It runs smoothly with only an occasional drip from the drain port (I'm using a cork seal now; will try to find another rubber one) and drain valve. The water valve works (you can hear it snapping open when you turn the machine on) although I haven't tested it yet.
I do have to admit I did make a stupid mistake during the test wash (no clothes); I used 1/4 cup of Tide & Biz (you don't need much with THESE babies!). Suds built up after drain and I put it on spin. Well I didn't have the cabinet on (just the top) and the detergent seal was shot (any ideas on what to replace this with?), so to my surprise suds started flying out of the soap opening!! Needless to say I turned it off VERY fast. Oh well, all the fun of a vintage washer!
Pictures to come!
--Austin
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Post# 44136-8/28/2004-19:09 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (What not pink?)
MESSAGE: Good for you!!! Looks like brand new too! Thank you for the pixs. Please let me know how test run goes? The top rack is adjustable (3 positions). Pull top rack out and note the hooks it hangs on. By grasping the SS rack roller assembly you can release the hooks and set higher or lower. Later that decade the top rack was redesigned with more user friendly adjustments. Resulting in a somewhat smaller top rack. Note that in the bottom rack along right/left side is designed to load small plates only, as well as, front corners. The redesign of the top rack tilted glasses more inward. The bottom rack was then redesigned so that along right/left side shallow bowls, skillets, lids and casseroles would fit without blocking wash action to top rack. The silverware basket is well designed in that the wide undivided slot is meant for long handled utensils and/or knives.
This is a pre energy conservation DW. Must have inlet water temperature of 140-160 degrees. The calrod elements does come on during main wash and final rinse; only to help maintain temperature. Not to “boost” or heat to a specific temperature. Full Cycle is comprised of 6 fills approximately 2+ gallons each. For heavily soiled loads. I recommend running Rinse Hold first. It is a 5 minute rinse (one). This way the dishes - machine are somewhat warmed up and food soil softened. Then proceed with Full Cycle. You’ll notice the improvement in performance. Oh, the detergent dispenser was not designed for liquid/gel detergents. Using such will eventually “glue” covers shut resulting in the thermal controlled latch release system to burn out.
Full Cycle is almost the same as Utility & Utensil cycle on the VariCycle model. The one minor difference between the two is only the drying time. Full Cycle dry time is 30 minutes. Utility & Utensil dry time is 8 minutes. The thinking behind this was. Cookware that did not get completely cleaned had the food soil softened and not baked on for easier scraping and then to be washed again on Full Cycle. PS By now means is this KA beauty “whisper quiet”. Sounds like a sea plane taking off over and over and over again. PPS That model control panel was available in pink. Yes, the buttons were pink too!
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Post# 44137-8/28/2004-19:17 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (timer location)
MESSAGE: The reason for the location of the timer being located in the lower motor access panel is because of technology. The “mono” block rapid advance timer was too big for installation in the door. It wasn’t until the late 60’s the primitive “chain” driven timer was redesigned to be compact and more reliable.
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Post# 44138-8/28/2004-19:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (hydro sweep))
MESSAGE: Yes, 64 models were the first with the hydro sweep wash arm. Gone was the highly touted cast iron wash arm advertised as “the only DW with the Big Blue wash arm”. By doing away with Big Blue; which was not only extremely heavy but enormous. Resulting in the introduction of a significantly larger tank capacity. Especially top rack capacity by 4”. Also available at that time was technology that produced a considerably smaller ½ hp motor.
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Post# 44139-8/28/2004-19:46 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Austin, that's the one!! How do you find these things at the drop of a hat?
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Post# 44140-8/28/2004-20:03 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (timer location)
MESSAGE: Thanks again,...I believe there was a discussion about this....forgot what the answer was
PC
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Post# 44141-8/28/2004-20:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
What a find for you!
They just don't build anything like that anymore!
I can't get over how well it is made, and what great shape it is in. I just love the huge wheels on it.
Although I think that it would look super next to your Frigidaire in your kitchen, I would hate to make it a built in just so everyone could admire the copper sides!
I just knew that I was going to click on a picture of it running, and the door was open showing it's power!
It wasn't there.
Congrats again, and thanks for the pictures of this beauty.
Brent
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Post# 44142-8/28/2004-20:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: I read the Archives and look at old links, then when a particular discussion comes up, especially where a picture is needed, then I post it.
So far, I've forgotten where a GE Portable photo was (someone saw it at an estate sale), and haven't found it yet. Otherwise I know everybody's Yahoo! albums like the back of my hand.
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Post# 44143-8/28/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: This was when the Hydro-Sweep wash arm was actually well made, has anyone felt how flimsy it is in today's KitchenAid machines? Ridiculous, and I could also snap a modern Bosch spray arm like a twig...
The plastic spray arm in my BOL Hotpoint is actually tougher than what I've seen in new machines!
--Austin
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Post# 44144-8/28/2004-20:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, 2 pound loads with "no special attachments"? Seems like a jab at their own parent company, GE.
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Post# 44145-8/28/2004-20:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK! Get the smelling salts - and a porcelain top - the coolest!
The copper side panels are a trip, are they coppertone color or more of a 60's copper color texture? Fantastic!
I have to lie down now...
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Post# 44146-8/28/2004-20:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Miele controls)
MESSAGE: Gee, talk about simple controls!
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Post# 44147-8/28/2004-21:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Flimsy wash arms-My WP-KA machine would fit that definition well. the small wash-spray arm at the very top of the washer's tank has always come off-would find it laying in the top rack after a load.Looks like it needs a speacial fastner to hold it in place. Right now the arm spends its time in the kitchen drawer.Got tired of trying to put it back.The KA dealer here isn't much help.Looking for a vintage one-One is lined up-just have to wait for it.
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Post# 44148-8/28/2004-21:48 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL(tub color))
MESSAGE: I have never seen an almond tub, not to say it doesn't exist. Could it be the plastic tub is stained from iron in the water. And look at all that detergent on the agitator.
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Post# 44149-8/28/2004-22:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Flimsy wash arms-My WP-KA machine would fit that definition well. the small wash-spray arm at the very top of the washer's tank has always come off-would find it laying in the top rack after a load.Looks like it needs a speacial fastner to hold it in place. Right now the arm spends its time in the kitchen drawer.Got tired of trying to put it back.The KA dealer here isn't much help.Looking for a vintage one-One is lined up-just have to wait for it.
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Post# 44150-8/28/2004-22:03 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Nice machine, and yes it does look like a kichen-aid. As far as the drain, at least temporarily, perhaps a long narrow tray to get under the machine such as a flower planter box or a wall paper soaking tray and then a sump pump on the end to drain.
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Post# 44151-8/28/2004-22:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: The WP-KA dishwasher I have has separate wash pump and drain pump motors.
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Post# 44152-8/28/2004-22:49 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: You must have like appli-dar, you find all these cool appliances. This baby looks like it hasn't been used much or pampered. I don't see any food staining or residue even. And along with yesterdays POD I can see now the production of freestanding, non-portable dishwashers. Without the wheels and by extending the stationery feet that would certainly apply to this machine. Especially with that gleaming top.
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Post# 44153-8/28/2004-22:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Austin i could not agree with you more. I was in The great indoors earlier tonight to check out if anything new came out.
I saw the new Electrolux dishwasher. I opened it up and could you believe it ?...CHEAP,FLIMSY,PLASTIC SPRAY ARMS.
I am so dissapointed when these supposedly high end manufacturers go the whole route to build a nice sturdy unit and then cheapen out on wash system parts.
I have no problem with the plastic if it is made sturdy,but these units by Bosch and Electrolux will never get a dime of my hard earned money.
I know, I'm sorry...sandbox.
PC
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Post# 44154-8/28/2004-23:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: I would think if the situation gets hostile like what you ran into-the best thing to do is leave. I would actually think they would be flattered that you were interested in the cleaning products.They should go ahead and sell them.Was it the vintage containers you were interedted in?I know of folks that like to collect various food and product containers because of their "artwork"and graphics.Learn something new-didn't realize until now folks laundry rooms and equipment were so "sacrid"If someone wants to see my machines the lids are wide open on them for ventilation after use.There are no secrets in the machines.
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Post# 44155-8/28/2004-23:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pics of the Pig
MESSAGE: It was long ago when I saw the program-was a top loader.They were standing by it when Dennis was talking about his "milkshake"
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Post# 44156-8/28/2004-23:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: I was wondering how it turned.I had a roto-rack machine in one of the apartments I lived in-was not real interested at the time.I wondered if they had water jets on the rack like a garden sprinkler to make it spin.Thats something if just the force of the spray from below makes the shelf turn.when you tried it those times-were there any dishes in it?Would sound like the rack is somehow designed to spin as the water hits it like a water turbine or water wheel.
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Post# 44157-8/28/2004-23:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: It's all about timing, where to look, and LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION! Minneapolis has an appliance-friendly climate, basements, people that buy appliances and hardly or never use them, and people that buy new appliances and don't want to pay for the old one to be hauled away; they end up pushing into a corner of their basement. Also there are people who just get a new washer/dryer because the current set is old, even though it still works perfectly.
Where I live, most people are tightwads and they don't get rid of an appliance until it breaks. That, combined with most laundries being in the garage, has the hardest wear effect on old washers. I nearly jumped out of my skin when I actually saw a working GM Frigidaire Skinni-Mini in Texas , as well as bought a working "Baby Bendix"! I'll bet you that this is the only working '47 Bendix left in Texas; if it was I wouldn't be surprised...
--Austin
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Post# 44158-8/28/2004-23:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Just finished 3 more loads and it works wonderfully! LOVE the splashy wash and the way the suds splash & cover the window; kids, this is NOT your mom's Neptune! The cleaning ability isn't bad, either (with an extra inch of water it's even better). I'm having to use the Soak cycles because I really don't want any bouncing or jittering! I'm going to apply some Ospho (surface prep solution) to the cabinet tomorrow before I have it powdercoated; can't wait to see how beautiful it'll be after I'm done!
The water valve has a short in it, and keeps snapping open/closed...darn. I'm not sure what's causing THAT problem, but I do have a new valve on hand. Nothing else seems to be affected, and the motor, timer, & the solenoids work like the day it was new.
I'll go ahead and take many pictures of its TRUE "maiden load" with the newly painted cabinet. Vintage FL's are the best!
--Austin
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Post# 44159-8/29/2004-00:00 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (location, location, location)
MESSAGE: LOL, THAT is what I haven't been reviewing when considering a place to live "Appliance Friendly-Climate". Realtors everywhere (who aren't doing it already) NEED to add this to their listings.
On the listing sheet along side the questions about the neighborhoods school system and other pertinent features will read "Does this home offer the kind of conditions ripe for fostering major appliances?" Then a YES or NO check box. Then "If yes, please check the following: home has numerous hot/cold and drain line connections, home has several thousand extra square feet with easy dolly access, home is located near other homes with numerous supplies of derelict appliaces, home has a minimum 400 amp electric service, neighborhood is conducive to frequent estate and garage sales" and lastly, the necessary "other:____".
Thank-you Westy
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Post# 44160-8/29/2004-00:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: The area I am located in isn't so "appliance friendy" No basements to put the old ones in-so the unfortunate old ones go to the dump-or if they are lucky-to a second hand store or a swap shop.Sometimes old ones end up on the front porch of the users home-seen some fridges and washers on front porches.
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Post# 44161-8/29/2004-00:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: Add to that-VERY HUMID conditions that cause the appliances to literally rust or corrode away.
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Post# 44162-8/29/2004-00:20 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Yes, it was loaded and running. I would open it just to look in it. And the upper rack would be coasting. I beleived at that time that it would turn from the force of the water hitting the dishes in the rack. I loved the sound that machine made while washing the dishes.
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Post# 44163-8/29/2004-01:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Maybe the dishes act like buckets on a turbine wheel.Must be the water hitting the dishes and making the rack turn.Has someone tried it without dishes to see if it still turns-was thinking the dishes acted like buckets on a turbine-or turbine blades.
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Post# 44164-8/29/2004-01:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Dishamometer should be the new nickname for Roto-Rack machines if that's the case!
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Post# 44165-8/29/2004-01:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: 1995 QuietScrub machine; turquoise large-base agitator has longer stroke than most DD machines. Looks good as well.
Indiana.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836653906&rd=1
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Post# 44166-8/29/2004-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Austin, do you plan down the road to bolt the machine to the floor in your garage or somewhere?
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Post# 44167-8/29/2004-02:09 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: This machine looks to be around the period when WP was cutting corners with KA. There was a brief period where KA washers did not have a porcelain top and lid.
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Post# 44168-8/29/2004-05:42 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Pat,
Miele produced their first dishwasher in 1929 already. I will place a photo here later on.
They only have had success with this machine in Switzerland, because it was very expensive and I guess for German housewives it was very strange to get the dishes done by a machine.
Then in 1961 they started with ther first automatic dishwasher G 10. The next modell was the G 45 Louis saved.
I put a link to a brochure with the G 10
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/prospekte/miele/1961/einkaufsempfehlungen_hw/prospekt.html
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Post# 44169-8/29/2004-06:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Kai for posting that link! I was pretty close LOL
BTW, I found out that the plug on the machine is for 3 phase 380 Volts.
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Post# 44170-8/29/2004-07:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: That's not too far from me.Doesn't look too bad for a 9 year old machine.I wonder where the matching dryer is?
kennyGF
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Post# 44171-8/29/2004-08:55 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
Wards Dryer
MESSAGE:
For anyone in the Twin Cities who may be interested, there's a Wards Dryer sitting out on the curb a couple houses up from 36th and Holmes (near Uptown). I'm guessing it was made in the '70's. There's also a stove but I didn't pay attention to it so I don't know what brand it is.
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Post# 44172-8/29/2004-09:57 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: I agree with the comments that have been made on the roto rack....to make my previous post more clear.....
A)D&M roto vs square.
The roto rack machines regardless of what was going on in the bottom rack with an impeller or spray arm.....people expected clean glasses from their roto rack. It did not need a top level spray. The centrif. force did 2 things. Spun the grit off the tops of anything up there and also spun the water off the indentations of glasses and mugs...everything was dry at the end of the cycle.
People were dissapointed when they replaced with a square rack. Corner items did not come clean alll the time, if there was no upper/top spray arm...there might be left over sandy grit in indentations of glasses etc....and no matter which design....water stood in those indentations after the cycle.
B)KA vs MAYTAG....no I didn't mean they had any relationship.....but spoke with a Hobart Rep. in the 70's and he said Hobart really didn't consider the upper spray arm until they found out that Maytag came out with a dishwasher that could clean better than theirs....and they (KA)could not just live on their prestige name....they had to improve the machine.
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Post# 44173-8/29/2004-10:02 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: yes it would still spin without dishes...because of the water spray,....but when fully loaded the glasses mugs DID pick up the water and it spun faster.....and the weight of the load made for a long coast.
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Post# 44174-8/29/2004-10:37 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Mielekai, these old machines look really well built.
I can see that at one point it looks like the early dishwashers in your link had enameled tubs.Cool machines!
Pat
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Post# 44175-8/29/2004-11:09 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (Did It Spin?)
MESSAGE: I never really thought the round rack on the vintage dishwashers was designed to spin during the cycle. I always that it was designed for loading and unloading ease. I do think that a big flaw in automatic dishwashers is their ability to effectively dry the complete load. I hate unloading wet plasticware from the dishwasher. I suppose the better dryers used the fan forced method to dry the dishes.
MRB
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Post# 44176-8/29/2004-11:12 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay (Longer Stroke?)
MESSAGE: I didn't think the KA washers had a longer stroke with the Direct drive tranny's. I thought that the normal stroke was slower ( mainly to keep the machine quieter ) which also required larger fins at the bottem. It's nice to see a machine that has obviously been taken care of by its owner. A rarity in this modern world.
MRB
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Post# 44177-8/29/2004-11:19 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: Yes, this is a dream machine for me. I opened the bidding. This would be my first vintage machine, if won. Not sure where I would put it. But I'll worry about that later.
MRB
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Post# 44178-8/29/2004-11:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: After the cabinet is replaced I'm going to put it on eBay. I really need the room for other machines (Filter-Flo, BD Whirlpool, more portables...), plus my building (with water/electrical/drain hookups for 6 machines) isn't finished yet.
--Austin
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Post# 44179-8/29/2004-12:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: Malcolm, that's a nice machine, I hope you win it. Sounds like it's in good mechanical shape too. Good luck.
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Post# 44180-8/29/2004-12:37 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Louis, that was a wonderful find, I love it! I couldn't open your album for some reason, but saw the pictures in Fun Stuff. That will go so well in your collection. Now you don't have to worry if your AEG becomes stubborn one day.
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Post# 44181-8/29/2004-13:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I was actually quite surprised when I
didn't see the chopping block on top!
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Post# 44182-8/29/2004-13:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Inside the BD Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: This machine is very clean; I was quite surprised. It has the boring Dual-Action agitator (typical), but it must have been a higher-end model because it has a white porcelain tub instead of the speckled version I usually see on these machines.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/31@Inside%20the%20BD%20Kenmore...Boring%20Agitator%20but%20nice%20porcelain%20tub!@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg
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Post# 44183-8/29/2004-15:57 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: MrB,
We know each other from THS, and I am routing for YOU!
The previous bidder retracted and there seems to have been little or no interest, but beware of those last minute bidders (snipers) on eBay. There seems to have been litte interest thus far, but you never know.
Yes, when it comes to vintage appliances, win it first, then think about where it is going to be later! *LOL*
Good luck!
Launderess
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Post# 44184-8/29/2004-16:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix POD
MESSAGE: Wow, an early De Luxe model! I've never seen the drop-down door on US machines; thought this was just a feature on Canadian versions to set them apart.
Anybody have this type?
--Austin
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Post# 44185-8/29/2004-16:23 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Thanks Eddy. If I happen to need parts, I'll know who to call.
MRB
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Post# 44186-8/29/2004-16:26 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Thanks L)
MESSAGE: Thanks 'L' I hope to win it. I have family in Miamisburg, OH so I know where Franklin is and just how long it will take to get there. Could it be destiny to get this machine? We'll see...
MRB
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Post# 44187-8/29/2004-16:27 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Inside the BD Kenmore on eBay (Few Holes)
MESSAGE: And Kenmore/Whirlpool reduced the number of holes in the tub shortly before the crossover to the DD we see too much of today...
MRB
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Post# 44188-8/29/2004-16:29 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Roper FL washer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Also known as...........................a dryer.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836807363&rd=1
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Post# 44189-8/29/2004-16:31 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
What is UP with this?
MESSAGE: How come more times than not, you see a Kenmore washer on ebay with its knobs broken off, yet it is listed in PERFECT CONDITION?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836812551&rd=1
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Post# 44190-8/29/2004-16:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: The timers at that time were too fat to stick in the door, they decided it would be better to put them down at the bottom of the tank leaving as much space as possible for dish capacity.
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Post# 44191-8/29/2004-16:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Very nice Austin, I always love how much fun it is to use a new old machine for the first time! Can't wait to see your pictures.
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Post# 44192-8/29/2004-17:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (KA dw nomenclature)
MESSAGE: Damn! $25 is fantastic. Good for you Robert. I revisited your photos. Thanks again. However, look at the DW side panels? It is not just the run-of-the-mill “copper tone”. No way. That was the era when Packard died and Cadillac was competing with Rolls Royce. To own a KA dw was prestige for decades until the euro dw hit the market.
Those “girls” at KA were not about to be out done. I recall the KA brochure my Mom had. The color options nomenclature was: peddle pink, white, buttercup yellow, brushed chrome, stainless steel and NOT “copper tone”. KA called it “ANTIQUE COLONIAL”. Oh, and the porcelain top option was available too.
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Post# 44193-8/29/2004-18:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Fat Timers)
MESSAGE: Wow! The memories. My Mom’s first dw was circa 58/59 Frig “spin tube” and the timer was like that of KA’s located in the motor access panel. My family moved a lot early 60‘s. The next 3 dw were KA’s. I recall each installation the plumbers strictly saying with a pointed finger at me. “Never ever touch this dial young man!!!”
Yeah right buddy… I was ten years old. Already knew otherwise about that timer knob. Worthless older brother and sister assigned “chores”. Mine was to clean up after each meal (3 daily). Okay. That is when I discovered that timer dial was my friend. I wanted out of the kitchen/dish room. Latch the door press either Full Cycle or Utility & Utensil. Unlatch door advance timer to meet needs; i.e. that is, short wash, rinse & dry, delete dry cycle, repeat main wash (for separate next operation bottom rack only loaded with cookware). Just recently read archives dw CR article. It mentions the ability - feature of KA timers allowing to repeat or skip portions of the cycle as needed.
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Post# 44194-8/29/2004-19:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Roper FL washer on Ebay
MESSAGE: I got a good laugh out of this one!
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Post# 44195-8/29/2004-19:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: What is UP with this?
MESSAGE: Well maybe the seller doesn't know the knob is missing...;-)
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Post# 44196-8/29/2004-20:02 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Roper FL washer on Ebay (Me Too!)
MESSAGE: LOL! Its all in the marketing!
MRB
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Post# 44197-8/29/2004-20:03 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: What is UP with this? (New to Earth?)
MESSAGE: Perhaps they are new to this planet and pressing your thumb against a bare screw, setting the dial by leaning in hard, and pulling out on the screw to start is normal back on their planet?
;-)
MRB
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Post# 44198-8/29/2004-20:47 ||| castebbins (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT:
Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: I have a waste king universal dbl oven. How intercahngeable are the heating elements on these with other brands?
If the oven is heating correctly (too cool)--what are the most likely parts to cause this problem--I need a shrt list of items to troubleshoot.
Any ideas are were I could find thses parts on the web?
Your web community is cool!
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Post# 44199-8/29/2004-23:02 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: If the original part is not available you may be able to replace it with another brand element. Bring it to your nearest appliance parts store and ask them to match it up for you. I have replaced bake elements with other brand elements with no problems that I know of (for customers who never complained of a problem). I have even bent them a bit to make them fit but wouldn't advise you to do this unless you have no other choice. Ideally the wattage should be close to the old one as possible if that can be determined.I assume this would be a calrod style element.
Please eleborate on what problem you are having. I didn't quite understand what you need.
If the oven is not getting hot enough the first thing I would check is if it has the correct voltage. Also check fuses and circuit breaker.
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Post# 44200-8/30/2004-02:10 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Pat, hi everybody at applianceville,
as promised I send a link to a pic of the first Miele dishwasher from 1929.
The dishwasher had no heating so you had to put hot water into the machine. There were no complete cycles just on and off.
In a brochure they recommended to use very hot water for the second rinse so that most of the dishes dry itself.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-8-30.html
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Post# 44201-8/30/2004-05:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: Like Fixerman says,old elements can usually be matched up to a new one with satisfactory results. Find a friendly face at a local appliance parts store.
What problem are you having? Oven temperature off? Too cool or too hot? Some thermostats can be adjusted,but describe your problem again.
kennyGF
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Post# 44202-8/30/2004-05:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi! How kool is that! Like everything else built back then it looks "overbuilt" solid steel, etc. Thank you for sharing the picture! -Steve
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Post# 44203-8/30/2004-07:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Miele draining)
MESSAGE: Simple, on some dishwashers, like on some of the newer clothes washers, the main motor isn't used to do the draining.. Even Some of the older US dishwashers had a "gravity drain" with no pump, often there was a choice in the same model, like choosing an electric or gas dryer. The main motor is designed to do nothing but recirculate the water. So the engineering choices are:
separate drain pump motor
draining with main motor (either by reversing motor or switching pump output to drain instead of recirculate)
gravity drain
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Post# 44204-8/30/2004-07:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Porcelain top)
MESSAGE: With "backsplash" styling yet, like the old "free-standing modles companies used to sell that weren't portable
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Post# 44205-8/30/2004-07:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (top materials)
MESSAGE: Formica seemed to be popular on portables, too. The top on my current '62 KM is Formica, and at one time I had a Westinghouse portable with a Formica top, too. And both had separate drain pumps. And Ironically, those pumps were and are a source of trouble on both machines. The separate drain pump on the KM I have now leaks, and the drain pump on the Westinghouse wouldn't always start
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Post# 44206-8/30/2004-07:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (wet plasticware)
MESSAGE: I have NEVER seen a machine that gets plasticware totally dry. Even My '62 KM machine which gets REALLY hot during the dry cycle(the dishes are so hot when finished that they're not touchable, unlike my '78 KM where the dishes would be hot, but not so much that you had to wait for them to cool to put them away) still leaves the plasticware with some water on them.
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Post# 44207-8/30/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Now isn't that neat!)
MESSAGE: Wow Kai, that's really cool. What's missing is a round window in that round lid. I think I have a picture of the first GE dishwasher from the late 20's, if I can find it I will scan and post it tonight.
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Post# 44208-8/30/2004-09:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Now isn't that neat!)
MESSAGE: Like totally WOW.
What was the first automatic washer in Europe?
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Post# 44209-8/30/2004-09:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: That's the style of KA dw I'd like to find! I'd really like the next model up with 4 buttons and 2 cycle indicator lights...
-ph
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Post# 44210-8/30/2004-09:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Formica, always on top)
MESSAGE: Now that's a name that brings back memories of the 70s.
FORMICA
Orange, if you please, and avocado stained wood (Now we all know what TV show that comes from). Or how about gold or yellow formica on top of dark cherry wood to bring that Harvest or Avocado range and refrigerator.
Man, I wish we were still in the 70s.
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Post# 44211-8/30/2004-10:08 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Thanks :-)
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Post# 44212-8/30/2004-11:59 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: I want to prepare everyone for some major changes coming to our web site in the near future. ClassicAppliances was originally created by Jeff Lefever as a Yahoo discussion group in September of 1999. The club quickly grew and more and more interested members joined. By the winter of 2001 it was obvious we had outgrown our Yahoo Group status and needed a bigger, more permanent home so I had decided to volunteer and create our very own web site. Having our own web site allowed our text, graphics and postings to be index by the major web search engines such as Google and Yahoo, this got the word out to the English speaking part of world that we are here and attracted a lot more traffic and found a lot more of us who are interested in washing machines. Our traffic has grown exponentially in the past few years and one of the reasons is because of the Archive pages. Those large, single Archive pages of 2000 posts are eating up a lot of bandwidth (server traffic) because when a web surfer finds something interesting to read in a message on Google, he or she clicks on the link and it takes them right into one of our large Archive pages. This uses 1mb or so of our traffic allocation. So I have to find a better way of allowing people to read the old postings without needed to download 1mb of info. So here is what I’ve been working on behind the scenes for the past month or so:
I’m re-writing Applianceville from scratch (I’m about 75% done now). The new Applianceville discussion forum, called the Applianceville Discuss-O-Mat, will be a threaded posting system like many other forums where all posts of a particular subject heading will be grouped together in one file and can be conveniently read on the same page. The new Discuss-O-Mat will have some of the look and feel of our current system such as personal wallpaper and colors but at the same time it will be quite different. We will also have three completely separate discussion forums to choose from:
1. The Vintage Washer Forum, for topics relating to Vintage Automatic Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers and their related items, from 1985 and earlier.
2. The Modern Washer Forum, for topics relating to relatively current and brand new state-of-the art laundry and dishwashing equipment and their related items, from today back to 1985.
3. The Sandbox Forum for other topics such as detergents, other major appliances, small appliances, home electronics, and general bla, bla, bla.
There is going to be new features in the Discuss-O-Mat that we didn’t have in the our current Applianceville system such as new “Automatic Log-in” that will keep you logged in to Applianceville on a specific computer, automatically, for seven days, no matter whether you close your browser or turn your computer off, etc. I tried and tried unsuccessfully to do this with our current system and in writing the new code, I finally figured out how to do this. There will be a Log-off button just in case you are using a public computer.
Another new feature that I have written is the ability to upload a picture or scan from your hard drive and display it right there in with your message text.
Searching is going to be much more powerful as there will be a search box that you can simply enter a search term like “Philco Automagic” and the system will create a clickable list of every active and archive Thread with the words “Philco Automagic” in it.
Specifically Discuss-O-MAT is going to work like this: each forum will have up to 100 Active Threads at one time, a “Thread” is simply a web page with a group of message posts all under the same subject heading. Each “Thread” can have an unlimited amount of replies to the original message posted inside it. Threads will be selected by clicking on it's link inside each forum’s own Index page. Every time someone replies to a particular thread it will jump to the very top of the Forum’s index page. After 100 threads are in the index, the 101st thread at the very bottom of the index that hasn’t been replied to in a long time will become “Inactive” and will be moved to the archive page. You will still be able to read Inactive threads, but they will now be on the Archive Index Page. Once a thread is moved to the archive it will be closed and it will no longer be able to be replied to. You can always start a new thread if at a later date you wish to open this topic of discussion again.
What I still have on my to-do-list is to write the Administrator tool to manage all the Threads. If someone accidentally posts a Vintage washer topic in the Modern washer forum I will be able to move it to its proper place with a click of the mouse from anywhere. I also have to finalize the searching system.
I’m totally open for suggestions and wish lists at this point in what you would like to see in our new forum. Although I don’t plan on taking on anything more complex than I already have at this point, I can certainly file it away for a future update. If your idea is a good one and it’s easy to implement I can certainly do it now before we go live with the new system.
As for testing, I’ve been testing this thing day and night but there is only so much a one man team (me) can do, so just like the last time I will probably unleash it to the world and then we can work out the bugs as they come up. But there most definitely will be bugs so everyone will have to be patient until I can get them corrected, hopefully like the last time, none will be show-stopping.
Oh and btw, since we are going to have a “Sandbox” forum right here on the club, I’m going to close the Sandbox forum on Yahoo after we go live with the new system and get the bugs worked out. Since that old, outside Sandbox is created under my Yahoo user id, it will be one less thing for me to have to think about.
The other major change I want to communicate is going to be our site address. We are going to change to
“www.automaticwasher.org”. Lets face it 99% of our postings are about doing laundry and dishes, so I would like the name of the site to reflect that. I’m going to keep the domain name of www.classicappliances.com for a few more years and redirect traffic to automaticwasher.org until all the old search engine stuff has cleared out.
More to come soon.
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Post# 44213-8/30/2004-12:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Oops)
MESSAGE: Ooopsie, by the way, zzzuni is my testing Login, I forgot to log back in as Unimatic1140 before posting that big message.
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Post# 44214-8/30/2004-12:17 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Robert, is there a way to clean up the member list (active vs inactive)? It seems like a lot of names are people who only posted once, or have a few different screen names, and maybe this could give you a current list of applianceville citizens, for activities like fund-raising.... :)
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Post# 44215-8/30/2004-12:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Robert,
That's wonderful news!! I admire you for having a busy job, restoring appliances and managing this site and all that with only 24 hours in one day. You're a wonderful webmaster!
Louis
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Post# 44216-8/30/2004-12:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Thanks for reminding me Steve, I forgot to mention that part. What I have decided to do is to delete any member name where that member has not logged-in in over six months. So if you are reading the posts and have not logged in for many months and do not want to have to re-join to post, simply log-in, the system will automatically take care of keeping your member name intact.
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Post# 44217-8/30/2004-12:36 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: This is exciting Robert, I want to say thanks too for all your hard work so that we all can enjoy this wonderful site! BTW this Kenmore dryer on ebay would be a perfect match to one of your washers.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3835863608&fromMakeTrack=true
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Post# 44218-8/30/2004-12:47 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....))
MESSAGE: Robert,if there is a need for funds...count me in,I would like to help in any way i can.
Robert what you do for this club is nothing short of amazing,and that is an understatement.
I have only been a member for just under a year now,but your hard work and all the people here who have graciously shared their pictures and stories have made this truly one of the most enjoyable forums anywhere on the web.
I am learning so much here about repairs just by pictures and discussions it is amazing.
Applianceville people are truly a nice bunch.I still think of when i first bought my computer last year and typed in "washing machines" and it brought me here.
I am still learning on this computer and like i said before,if i can be of any help in any way,please direct me..I would be more than happy to contribute.
Robert thank you and the members of Applianceville for everything all of you do.
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 44219-8/30/2004-12:51 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Look at all that gleaming enamel.....built to last :-)
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Post# 44220-8/30/2004-13:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Thanks Eddy, actually that isn't the exact match but it's close. I sold the '55 Kenmore and its now being used at it's new home in North Carolina.
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Post# 44221-8/30/2004-13:11 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: That is a lovely machine. My grandmother had the built-in version of that machine--hers was from 1966. Her dishwasher was the start of it all for me--everything was at my eye-level and she'd let me help load her sink-washed dishes into it, measuere out her secret formula of half Finish and half Shaklee Basic-D into the dispenser, push the Full Cycle button, and keep a close eye on the timer so we could advance it through the Dry cycle and prop the door open with a disrag, because heaven knows, we didn't work for the power company. What fun times!
That must be the last KA series that was actually labeled as an AUTOMATIC DISHWASHER.
T
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Post# 44222-8/30/2004-14:43 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: This all sounds wonderful Robert. I don't post much but I read most every day. Did you ever decide on dues or donations to help out with expenses. Thank you for all of your hard work and many hours you put into this site. Also to the club members who share their collections thru this site. It is great to see the vintage machines and their action. The greatest tool is the knowledge we all gain from each of the members.
Thanks again,
Dan,(Bendix5)
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Post# 44223-8/30/2004-16:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Good suggestion Steve & Robert. I noticed the thing that bugs me the most when I'm looking through the member pages is that LOOOOONNNNNG list of names, some that I haven't even seen post yet.
--Austin
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Post# 44224-8/30/2004-16:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: That's
delightful news Robert!!! YAY!!! Like I (and everyone else) said many times before, without your hard work on this site, vintage appliance collectors would still be a closeted group with very few members. I certainly didn't think a vertical-action agitator existed, and I knew close to nothing about GM owning Frigidaire for a while. Believe it or not I thought Bendix was the sole manufacturer of automatic washers from 1938 (knew this fact for a long time) until at least the late 60's! Lucky for me the
real truth about the history of automatic washers was unveiled when I found this site!
As for the Discuss-O-MAT (great name btw), I like your idea of a "threaded" system, because you don't have to look through all those replies to find the original post. And the Sandbox will be much more accessible to everyone when it's on the site as well. I think the majority of the off-topic problems here come from people not registered to Yahoo having to register before they can access the Yahoo Sandbox.
Honestly I think you pretty much covered everything as far as improvements to the site, and Steve brought up an important question about inactive members, so that leaves me with nothing else to say about this (don't know if that's good or bad ;-)). I do have a question: What will you end up doing with the Museum? The Photo Upload Tool has eliminated the "washer appearance; what does this machine look like?" portion of that, however new members do need "the facts" on a particular model. They
could read the Archives if you decided in the future to eliminate the Museum completely.
As far as testing, right now I have a lot of time on my hands and if you need anything done just email me and I'll help you work the "bugs" out like I did with the Photo Viewer back in June. Same thing goes with donations to the site; I'll be more than willing to help out.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 44225-8/30/2004-16:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: eBay or thru-the-club? And is the member one of us?
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Post# 44226-8/30/2004-16:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Wow that's BEAUTIFUL and it's a GAS version! I wish it were closer though...
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Post# 44227-8/30/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore W/D Combo Tranny!!
MESSAGE: Here we go...a genuine 1969/1970 Kenmore Combination Washer/Dryer Transmission! Comes complete with a new belt and other parts. Tranny has been rebuilt (seller looked at box) but looks fine. The seller thinks someone could use the damn thing on a GO-KART (what an idiot; apparently he's another person who believes there are no more Kenmore Combos, much less early automatic washers, in existence; why need parts for one?). Someone please save it!
Maybe I should buy it...is John L. selling any more combos?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3836883661&rd=1
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Post# 44228-8/30/2004-17:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, thank your for your offer of testing. I will let you know. As for the Photo Upload Tool and the Museum all that stuff is staying exactly as is. The only thing that is changing is the discussion group section. I'm simply adding to it and hopefully improving it.
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Post# 44229-8/30/2004-18:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: eBay? - no.
thru club? - no
one of us? - who else would buy a 49 year old washer? :)
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Post# 44230-8/30/2004-18:04 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (29' Miele DW)
MESSAGE: Thank you so very much for posting the picture of the 29’ Miele dw. Granted my “sacred cow” vintage appliance is the dw, second is FL clothes washer.
I so would like to possess that 29’ Miele dw. I don’t even care if it works. What a precious and rare piece of fine art.
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Post# 44231-8/30/2004-18:13 ||| parunner58 (Easton, PA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: I am surprised no one mentioned that in the era of the KM Roto-rack dishwashers, you could go to Sears and see the glass front demo models and whatch it spin. I use to love going to the local Sears store with my parents and walking buy the demo. IT had a few dishes in it but not a full load. The other deparment stores in our area also had demos, one had the Maytag demo model that you would put the dinner plates and silverware in the top rack. The store where I go today to buy my new apps has a demo of the new Maytag triple rack dishwasher.
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Post# 44232-8/30/2004-18:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: The reason I asked is because I don't know of any members in NC...
If I had to choose between a 49 year-old washer and a new one I'd choose the first of the two ;-)
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Post# 44233-8/30/2004-18:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: That is a beautiful work of art! I'd love to have one!
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Post# 44234-8/30/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: "I'm simply adding to it and
hopefully improving it."
Well we loved the photo uploader when you added it; also, I wouldn't consider any of the previous improvements you made to the site negative (neither does anybody else for that matter). I wouldn't worry too much about people's reactions because chances are we'll love it!
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Post# 44235-8/30/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Interesting-should of paid more attention when I had one of those.Also never saw the glass front store demo machine.The shelf acts as a water turbine even by itself!Interesting and clever design. too bad they still don't use it. The round racks would make more sense-since most spray patterns would be round!
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Post# 44236-8/30/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: Maybe in the new "Discuss-O-Mat" there should be a department marked "Street Watch" for appliances such as this spotted on curbs for the "Krusher" -then Applianceville folks can rescue them!I guess I will need more than my hand truck!-that would work for machines spotted close to my house on "curb shopping "trips
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Post# 44237-8/30/2004-20:08 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
I know that feeling of excitement. It's like the first 1981 Kenmore Canister vacumn bought new. I couldn't wait to get home and open the box and try it out.
I agree with the members list, perhaps an indicator could be included that would state the last time a person had logged in.
I also agree with including ALL appliance members in one site, regardless of what era the interest is from. Although my interest is in machines mainly from 1970 thru 1990. It's always impressive to see machines that are more difficult to find parts for from earlier eras that have been refurbished like new.
I don't know if there is an archive already ,that I haven't found, for those days when a person was not able to log-in and see the POD of the day but if possible that would be one suggestion.
Also if it would make things run smoother I would pay to use the site or if you need donations let me know.
When is the planned transition?
Excellent site Robert.
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
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Post# 44238-8/30/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Thats a good name-ironically-the spinning shelf mimics the steam or water turbine that turns the generator at the power station that generates the electricity to make the washerr run!And yes-amometer for the instrument that measures wind speeds-or even air speeds-HVAC contractors use such a device to measure the airflow out of HVAC ducts and registers.Maybe they should connect a tiny generator to the shelf-could power something--??Roto racks sound retro cool-may have to clear space in the kitchen for one-esp a demo model with the glass front!
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Post# 44239-8/30/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
OLD Electric Wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: 1915 Anchor Electric "Washkosh" wringer in good shape. Appears to have been restored, and works great! Chicago.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3837038172&rd=1
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Post# 44240-8/30/2004-20:33 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE:
It's just a suggestion but perhaps on the application page for new members when requesting personal info, clarify when asking people about "the number of" certain machines. Specify that they need not include machines that are used on a daily basis unless they actually are part of a collection. (I hope I'm not abandoned and left on the side of the road for revealing the newness of my daily use machines) Some people have limited space or capabilities but are just as interested in the group and contributors which is fine.
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Post# 44241-8/30/2004-20:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE: Yes; I wouldn't count my '98 DD Kenmore as a "collection item..."
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Post# 44242-8/30/2004-21:54 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay (Classic?)
MESSAGE: I love to read about everyone's finds, etc. but does a nine-year old washer constitute a true classic appliance? I thought I was pushing it with my 1975 Wards Signature washer...?!
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Post# 44243-8/30/2004-21:57 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Robert I don't know when you have time to sleep!! I really appreciate all of your hard work and the improvements sound fantastic. I love the idea of not having to log in every day! Thanks again for all of you dedicated hard work. Terry
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Post# 44244-8/31/2004-00:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Just one suggestion. If you could create a way to delete usernames if they are not used in a given amount of time. Or, even if the creator of the username could delete it. I have two usernames on the site. The first one, I forgot the password for! (yes, stupid me!) I think it would give us a better idea of how many people actually use the site instead of just signing up to let us know about something they are selling on ebay etc......just my two cents worth....and by the way, I would love to chip in for costs of all this computer space etc... Mark
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Post# 44245-8/31/2004-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Musical appliances
MESSAGE: Stage 1 of "musical appliances" has been implemented with the installation of my '88 Whirlpool
"curbed re-modeling victim" DW, replacing my '78 KM Solid State. Unfortunately, the KM is going to get parted out, it's just too expensive to bring back after I accidentally shorted out the motor relay board and timer. The cost to replace those, plus the rusted out racks, is just too much to justify. In addition, even after I put a new door liner and gasket on it, it still leaked and I can't figure out why. Therefore, its parts will go to it's sister portable version I have in storage. One of these days I'll fix the portable OR, anybody who wants it can have it for FREE. I'll never throw it out.
As for the '88 WP, it seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that there's some kind of foreign object in the pump that keeps rattling around and will neither eject into the wash arms or go out the drain. At one point, it apparently got caught on a vane of the pump an began whirling around making an awful noise. I then canceled the cycle, hoping that it would come loose during the drain, but no, it apparently caught on something and jammed the motor, causing the overload breaker to immediately trip. I managed to get it back into wash mode, and the jobject came loose, but it's still rattling around in there. So, Whirlpool DW repair people, how does one get into the pump to get this thing out before it does something bad? I know D & M machines upside, down, backwards, right to left, but I'm not familiar with Whirlpool DW engineering. I noticed there are a lot of screws on top of the pump housing, is this how one gains access?
Once this is accomplished, I can take the '62 KM "Bewitched" TL portable DW out of service to make room in the kitchen for the '72 LK portable to temporarily sub for the '78 LK full-size
Meanwhile, back at the '72 LK portable washer, I took the belt off of the motor so it would have no starting load, but the motor still only hums and won't turn. It's not jammed, turns freely by hand.
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Post# 44246-8/31/2004-01:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
name change
MESSAGE: So is the name change to automatic washer.org meant to limit the amount of hits by making people think it's only about washers and not other large appliances? Of course, WE will know that vintage ranges, dishwashers, refrigerators, TV's and radios, air conditioners, small appliances and such are discussed, but, I'm just wondering. Also, how does one "pigeonhole" certain topics neatly in one forum or another, i.e., a certain model of new washer compared to a certain model of vintage washer? Sort of a "gray" area trying to decide where to correctly post.
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Post# 44247-8/31/2004-02:21 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE: Ahh.... but Austin,think ahead man,one day... it will be a CLASSIC.
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Post# 44248-8/31/2004-03:09 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 Washer 9956935 Spin Seal & Mtg Kit
MESSAGE: From auction copy:
"Here's a 'new old stock', complete spin seal and tranny mounting kit for those great old Frigidaire '1-18' clothes washers."
"This is the improved version of the large rotary seal under the tub that fails and allows water to leak down the agitate shaft, or be diverted out the plastic trough on later models."
"Includes the mounting flange, flange gasket, special self-sealing mounting bolts (8), secondary seal, tub spacer, and instructions. This is a brand new, genuine factory kit, opened for the first time to take the accompanying photo!"
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3837060824&rd=1
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Post# 44249-8/31/2004-03:12 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: Rather than posting each individual auction, take a peek:
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=davesrepair-com&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
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Post# 44250-8/31/2004-05:22 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: That's a good idea! Lots of times,I run across older appliances,for nothing,or next to it,which I can't use.
Kinda like a "swap shop" or similar.Or like they used to have on the radio,"tradio"!
kennyGF
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Post# 44251-8/31/2004-07:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: He posts on here occasionally and usually sells a lot of 1-18 stuff.
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Post# 44252-8/31/2004-07:59 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming )
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thank you for all your efforts this is going to be real great
Please let me know if I can contribute in any way. I will be more than happy to give a donation.
Peter
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Post# 44253-8/31/2004-08:15 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT:
New web site
MESSAGE: Thank you for all your work. While I don't have a collection. I respect all the restoration work and admire the collections of active members. One of my daily tasks I enjoy is the Picture of the Day. Those bring back great memories. As an observing "member", I don't post often (if at all) but I read your posts and learn everyday. If membership fees are needed, I would contribute my share to help with the cost of this site.
Sincere thanks to all of you,
Wayne
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Post# 44254-8/31/2004-08:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: Interesting idea Rex, I have to think about that for phase 2!
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Post# 44255-8/31/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, I always find time to sleep. But no time for television usually, unless of course I'm standing over a 50 year old one with a soldering iron. :)
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Post# 44256-8/31/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, great ideas! Allowing members to delete their old memberships would be wonderful function, but too complex for me to get into right now with all the other new code coming. But I will take on that task sometime in the future, in the meantime, once every few months or so I'm going to clean up the user names, if they haven't logged-in within the past six months-DELETE.
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Post# 44257-8/31/2004-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: name change
MESSAGE: One reason for the name change is I get tons of email everyday from people asking me "how much is my old refrigerator or stove worth???” For every 25 email like that I get one related to washers, etc. I want to try and convey the fact that our expertise is on washing Laundry and Dishes automatically. There are other sites related to vintage ranges and refrigerators and I want that traffic to be sent there.
As for posting what where, I'll make it quite obvious in the Disco-O-Mat menu page, but for now here are my thoughts:
Vintage Washer Forum for starting discussion threads of Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers from 1985 and earlier.
Modern Washer Forum for starting discussion threads of Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers from 1985 to today and beyond.
Sandbox Forum for starting discussion threads on detergents (modern and vintage) as well as everything else related to vintage home products. Of course if someone starts a thread on something so way off topic for our club like "Why you should do Yoga". I will delete it.
Btw, the actual names of the Forums are not going to be "Vintage Washer Forum", "Modern Washer Forum" and "Sandbox Forum". That's just the way I'm describing them for now.
There will always be gray areas and topics do drift as the threads go on, but it’s important to start the Thread in the correct forum. If a thread starts out about the 1964 Maytag Combo and quickly turns into a Neptune discussion, I will simply move it to the Modern Forum.
Rocket science it will not be.
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Post# 44258-8/31/2004-12:20 ||| Dannieb (Washington)
SUBJECT:
GE mixer
MESSAGE: I have a mixer my grandmother gave me over 20 years ago. It still works and I'd like to know more about it. There's a catalog # 123M10 near where the beaters go in, it's made in Bridgeport, Co. It's very heavy and very retro looking. Can anyone tell me more about it?
Thanks very much,
Dannie
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Post# 44259-8/31/2004-13:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (New and Improved)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the hard work, Robert. I can't wait to see the new Classic-Appliances. This is like going from belt drive to direct drive, only it's an improvement, not a downgrade.
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Post# 44260-8/31/2004-16:08 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New web site (Ditto for me !!! )
MESSAGE: I would be happy to contribute, there have been times when tears have been brought to my eyes, remembering the washers in my life. So GLAD that this sight is here and that "I am not the only one"
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Post# 44261-8/31/2004-17:22 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: ...Indiana,that is! Behind Lowes on Lima Rd,a 63 Kenmore washer,and an avocado Kenmore dryer,mid 70's model,along with a matched set of Maytags.Had nothing to haul them with,or I would have grabbed all four.Just a heads up.
kennyGF
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Post# 44262-8/31/2004-17:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (New and Improved)
MESSAGE: ...And like making the agitator stroke longer and the spin quieter...
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Post# 44263-8/31/2004-17:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Sure wish that was the Lowe's in Katy or Houston...
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Post# 44264-8/31/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Someone turned in better machines to Lowes than what they bought there!
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Post# 44265-8/31/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: name change (Links off-topic on members Links section:)
MESSAGE: While looking at the "Members Links" section yesterday-found two that are way off topic--One links to a website selling--Toyboxes-yes toyboxes-nice ones-but how do those relate to appliances?Another link shows someone linking to a website showing Cigar humidors??I don't know-just wanted to mention those and get it off my chest.I could understand links to website about appliances or appliance related.
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Post# 44266-8/31/2004-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: There was another mention of appliances traded in for new ones spotted behind a Lowes store.Too bad it isn't near me-Guess I will have to get a truck with liftgate of some sort.That's what the "appliance curb shopper" would need.The Lowes example shows that you wonder what the person bought that traded in those Great old appliances!Or maybe call it "curb watch" "Lowes Trade in " watch?Maybe we should watch behind the Lowes store near you.They could probably give those machines an "afterlife" by selling them "as is" instead of sending them to the Krusher.Does Home Depot stores have the "turn-in pile"?
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Post# 44267-8/31/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: I keep watching my curbstones on the streets around here-so far not much.Only found a plastic tank GE dishwasher that was beyond help-let the "Krusher" have it.Was a newer boring one.The tank was badly cracked.I like the "tradio" wish they ran something like that at the radio station I worked as an engineer at.They had "sound off"was interesting though. also got to initial the QSL cards sent to distant listners confirming they heard the station.Oh yes-that GE "plastic washer" -was hauled away-not by the house I spotted it by-guess it finally met the "krusher" or the Krusher bulldozer at the dump.-An empty patch in the weeds by the home where it was.That machine was there for about 8 months.
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Post# 44268-8/31/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: Very interesting items-I have the litarature to many of them-The McIntosh Hi-Fi gear and Ampex recording equipment.Have seen MANY of the Ampex 600 Recorder manuals.These were workhorses for "feild" recording in radio stations. Occasionally the machines were used as studio machines in small stations.Excellent-if not the best single motor RR deck made.Have some MC60 amps-but need filter caps for them.Besides home Hi-Fi these were workhorses in commercial uses as well.-Radio station and recording studio monitor amps and "stage" amps for older movie theaters.
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Post# 44269-8/31/2004-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: name change
MESSAGE: I found the "Applianceville" site when I typed in "Vintage Vacuum Cleaners" into my computer while surfing the web.Glad I found it-most interesting!
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Post# 44270-8/31/2004-20:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: This surprises me that they didn't get the '63 fixed; parts for BD Kenmores are still widely available (although I thought there was talk of discontinuing BD parts), and don't differ much between the years (except parts such as the timer, etc...).
--Austin
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Post# 44271-8/31/2004-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: You know folks today-they are not applianceophiles as we are-they would -lets replace that OLD washer and dryer with the "pretty new one" we saw at LOwes today!Wait until that "new" one breaks down more than that old KN machine!-"Honey-that new washer we bought at Lowes is broken already!!maybe we should have kept that old one in the garage??"I wouldn't be surprized if its a one act play something like that.
Heaven help us-they are going to discontinue the BD parts-How could they--Guess they want and insist you buy a trashy new machine.I think there will be lots of old stock BD parts in a lot of those appliance repair and parts shops out there-the older the better!!
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Post# 44272-8/31/2004-20:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Older Parts)
MESSAGE: Made me think about the clown that was advertising the Washer dryer combo transmission on EBAY and suggesting you could use it in a "go-Cart"I suppose to shift gears on that cart-on its dash-you see "wash" for lo gear and "spin" for hi gear.anyway-hope those vintage parts don't end up in go carts.With them selling those on EBAY-you never know.
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Post# 44273-8/31/2004-20:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Yes; BD parts (as well as machines for that matter) are a dime a dozen!
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Post# 44274-8/31/2004-20:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Older Parts)
MESSAGE: "...hope those vintage parts don't end up in go carts..."
Not when I'M here to bid on them! ;-)
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Post# 44275-8/31/2004-21:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
GE Spacemaker Set--80's
MESSAGE: This set is in very good condition, and washer has the recirculating filter, Franklin agitator, and folding lid.
A little expensive though if you ask me...pickup in NJ.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3837071164&rd=1
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Post# 44276-8/31/2004-21:30 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: Austin:
It would not surprise me at all if Sears began cutting out BD parts. I hope that I'm not getting into Sandbox stuff by saying this, but I've noticed a very steep decline in Sears' standards for its parts department over just the past few years, bad enough to keep me from buying anything new there. The last straw, for me, came last year when no hose was available for an eight-year-old Kenmore vacuum I had, and no wand available for a seven-year-old Kenmore carpet cleaner. I expect consumer durables to be durable, and for parts to be available over the long haul. If not, then I can always find other brands, and vintage stuff better than what is made today.
So, in a way, I should be grateful to Sears and other companies that limit parts availability; that experience with Sears vac parts was what got me started with vintage vacs. I have a feeling that when my Whirly Design 2000 pair finally comes down with something terminal, I'll be looking for a vintage BD washer and a matching dryer- and meeting my parts needs in the collector market. I'll save money, and I'll have much more fun that way. Way nicer to hang out here than to battle big corporations that don't care about consumers that much anymore.
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Post# 44277-8/31/2004-21:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone:
Well THE MUMMY arrived today and now that I have IT in my basement a moment occurred, a connection, something I was unaware of until now almost 40 years later.
I came up out of the basement and walked over to my 1986 SubZero that I had covered all in Copper like the 1961 KD –14 sitting across from it. Staring at the fridge right then it HIT me.
It Hit my why I had chosen copper to cover these appliances in. The 1956 GE FilterFlo sitting in my basement was decked out in Copper! And as the first machine I ever grew to love all that copper must have stuck somewhere so all my later appliances had to be copper!!
I really didn’t know why I was so drawn to copper for appliances until that washer moment tonight!! You think you know yourself and sometimes even then you wake up and get a surprise.
Anyway enough reminiscing here is the link to “THE MUMMY RETURNS”….
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_TheMummyReturns
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Post# 44278-8/31/2004-21:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: "The last straw, for me, came last year when no hose was available for an eight-year-old Kenmore vacuum I had, and no wand available for a seven-year-old Kenmore carpet cleaner"
Now THAT is just plain bullsh**. I think the MINIMUM time appliance makers should continue making parts for discontinued/NLA machines is 20 years, at the very least. You know...I went to a Sears parts outlet and the portable faucet connector (the part that screws onto the faucet) was the last one in stock. I know they're in production but that still surprised me.
I'll be seeing red for the next 30 years or so if they do discontinue BD parts; I plan to have a few BD machines. I'll tell you this though: if they do, I'm not buying a single thing from Sears again.
--Austin
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Post# 44279-8/31/2004-21:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: Someone mentioned to me yesterday that Sears was going to get out of the parts and repair business altogether-they were going to be a "big-box" store just like many others out there.It is the fellow I sell vacuums with.I am waiting to see if this will be true. Wouldn't surprize me.It sounds like that is the trend today-just "move the boxes" and forget about repairs and service.That could explain why you can't get parts for your older Sears vacs that you have.I am with you-I am shopping for the vintage machines-not really as a collector-but as a user.The older ones are more durable and many cases -work better.You may have to get your hose and wands at a well stocked OLDER vacuum repair and parts store.Make freinds with them-they could come up with parts for your vintage Sears vacs and floor machine.I have made freinds with the ones here.Sometimes they come to me for parts!Thats OK-we'll help each other out.I am now building up a "library" of older vacs from machines turned in as trade ins toward the machines I and my freind sell.You know-getting the older machines to use-also makes it fun to get them as a "collector"I don't want to deal with the big "care-less" companies as well.Again can't wait to see the New SQ washers and dryers when they are rolled out to the public!-Oh-Oh strayed into sandbox things here?
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Post# 44280-8/31/2004-22:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Congratulations Jon!!!)
MESSAGE: YAY! That's wonderful that you have your childhood washer again; I know there are many memories of that machine to share with us. I didn't realize how beautiful the '56 Filter-Flo was until now, and didn't think much of the copper control panel until you pointed it out. And it even came with detergent and a test load!
Naughty-naughty if Greg didn't give you a filter pan...;-)
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Post# 44281-8/31/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Centric Agitation Mechanism--How did it work?
MESSAGE: How did the Kelvinator/ABC drive mechanism work exactly? Did it use gears, rollers, or was it like the Automagic mechanism with none of the above (just bearings)?
Someone please explain; I don't think anyone has brought this question up in the past.
--Austin
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Post# 44282-8/31/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Westies in the Movies???
MESSAGE: Well I posted about this a while back and it apparently didn't get answered, so I'll do it again. What happened to Robert's Laundromat set, and what movie is it starring in?
I don't mean to sound obnoxious, but while guessing games are fun, I think this one's been going on
way too long, and it's time someone who knows about this revealed it already. At least we'll have the advantage of knowing ahead of time!
Also please let us know Robert when Decorating Cents will be filmed at your house; I really want to get an idea of when it's coming on so I can watch it as well.
When appliance collectors appear on TV I don't want to be left "in the suds" as far as the schedule goes...
--Austin
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Post# 44283-8/31/2004-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: WOW-KOOL-GE machine-loved the gradual pictures of it being unwrapped from the bubble wrap.Like the look of the "Fresh Start detergent" jar in the machine.I can't find Fresh Start in my area.Is it still a powder packaged in a bottle? Used to use it when I lived in an apartment house-was very handy in the jar.-Much better than boxes.Boxes of powder were messy to carry to the house laundramat in the laundy cart.Oh-Does your washer you unpacked have the pretty copper lint dish?
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Post# 44284-8/31/2004-22:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: I always hate opening up Tide boxes because I just know some of it is stuck in the corners and will spill everywhere when I take the top off. YUK!
I wouldn't consider powdered detergent "vacuum-friendly" either, for that matter.
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Post# 44285-8/31/2004-22:47 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Centric Agitation Mechanism--How did it work?
MESSAGE: very simple crank shaft mechanism illustrated on this link
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/6fe2&.dnm=fc38.JPG
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Post# 44286-9/0/2004-23:13 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: You're preaching to the choir, LOL! Replacing my current appliances with vintage models will just be a logical next step for me, because I'm already surrounded with older stuff.
A 1964 Westclox Big Ben (2 pounds of steel, nickel and brass)wakes me up. All my furniture is Scandinavian Modern, in real walnut, none of it made later than 1967, and all of it bought for next to nothing when Scandi was flooding the thrift stores. The newest silverware pattern I have was introduced in November, 1966. A Sears Best manual can opener is on my kitchen wall, still working fine three decades after my mom got an electric and gave "that old thing" to me (that electric and about four of its successors are in a landfill somewhere). My phones are old Western Electric 2500's that will be around long after I'm gone.
I just prefer the quality and heft of older stuff in general; there's a solid, secure feel that you don't often find in new merchandise, no matter how expensive. I have a 1960's Hamilton Beach commercial blender. Ham Beach makes one based on that design today, and it costs a fortune, but it's nowhere near the quality of mine.
So, as major appliances need replacing, you can bet I'll be looking into vintage ones. I already know where there is a Kenmore 800 washer- in my aunt's house, where it has been ever since it was purchased new in 1968. My only fear is that it won't break down during my lifetime, so that she will get the hankering for a new machine.
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Post# 44287-9/0/2004-23:15 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: What a neat story Jon, isn't it funny how sometimes something will just hit us. copper will always have a special place in my heart as well. The GE is a beauty and it must be like a dream come true to have your childhood washer once again. Be sure and let us know how that first load goes.
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Post# 44288-9/0/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: I was able to pick up spilled detergent powder with a straight suction machine-Didn't cause any problems-was a Tri-Star vacuum(new Compact)and was able to recover most of it. Happened when I spilled some in the Townhome I used to live in.Fortunately the paper bag in the Tri-star vac was relatively new and had little dust in it.Was able to poor the detergent out of the open top bag right back into the detergent box.The dusty rements on the bottom of the bag I threw out.Thats a good thing about a Tri-Star-You can take the dirty bag out and put a clean one in it if you need to pick up something you want to recover such as spilled detergent.And-the detergent gave the vac a pleasent smell when it ran for quite awhile!A Filter Queen or a Watermatic would work well to "recover" spilled laundry detergent!In those the filter is above the dust container and in the powerdome that fits over the container.I miss the detergent boxes that had the plastic bag inside that held the detergent. Least you could seal or tie it shut when the detergent wasn't being used.And it spilled less.With the liner-less boxes the detergent goes "stale" more quickly.The bag in the box the detergent lasted much longer.Bring back the liner bags!I remember them in the Huge "institutional" size boxes of detergent you could buy from Sears.
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Post# 44289-9/0/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: I like your Westclox Big Ben Alarm-you don't need to worry about power failures,battery burnouts!You won't ever be late to work. Folks who use those just wind them before going to bed.We have furniture like the Scandinavian out here at the transmitter where I work-(the plant was built in the 60's)If it gets surplussed-I want it!We have a GE electric can opener out here as well-its as old as the GE transmitters I used daily here(60's)Better than the PLASTIC ones people buy for here-that GE one is all metal.I too have some commercail HB blenders. Don't recommend the HB household ones.Their commercial ones are still made in the good-ole USA.HB household ones are built in China of all plastic.I too am looking for vintage machines as you are. Will stock up as many as I can hold. Already have MANY vintage vacs-mostly Kirbys.Also go for the METAL Luxes. Have many metal Royal uprights and some metal canisters.Their new plastic canister vacs are made in Malasia.I also have a Kenmore 800 Washer. Just need the orig agitator for it.The old one broke.Temp put a Roto swirl in it.LONG LIVE THE VINTAGE THINGS.
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Post# 44290-9/0/2004-23:35 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Disscuss-o-mat is coming New & Improved; PLUS POD)
MESSAGE: Of course you have got to love the lady next to this text box
with her fabulous Crown and matching pumps!!!! How about the items for sale section of yore? I miss it teddibly! Can you believe it??; An hour after I looked @ POD I saw one sitting out on Ridge Rd here in Nevada City Ca. in one of the more fancy neighborhoods when I went back a bit later to inquire,
it was already loaded into a pickup; Damn!!!! You're a clever fellow indeed, Robert
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Post# 44291-9/0/2004-23:41 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set--80's
MESSAGE: Fifty cents would be too much for that.............JUNK
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Post# 44292-9/0/2004-23:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Older Parts)
MESSAGE: Would be a good idea to buy it even if you don't have the washer the transmission would fit in.You could then have it on hand in case you ran into the machine-or swap or sell it to someone who would put it in a machine that needs it.
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Post# 44293-9/0/2004-23:48 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Cool enough to link though!!!)
MESSAGE: I have the built in version of that machine and I wondered of its age; when I wrote to KA they said (based on M#) it was 1975;I knew they were poorly trained because the timer was moved to the top of the door before 1975. (Be sure to look at Katherine Ross' kitchen in the original "Stepford Wives")
The front panel on mine is close to copper, but not "Coppertone" a very cool looking metalized looking almost
purple. Haven't fired it up; $10 @ the nearby church annual "garage sale" a few years back
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Post# 44294-9/0/2004-23:48 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: I switched back to Tide after using A&H in my last machine.Even though it is very expensive...Tide cleans very well as it should for the price you pay. I also like All liquid.Nice scent and much more reasonably priced than Tide.
A&H combined with the hard water we have,clogged up the spin basket on our last machine.It seems my new KM has larger holes in the spin basket than my WP had. Maybe i am just imagining it.
But anyhow this is modern talk...anyone going to the sandbox?
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Post# 44295-9/0/2004-23:54 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
One more nice thing about vintage stuff- there's always another grail to chase. When you find one thing, there's always something else you want to go with it- or something even rarer or more desirable. Got an 800 washer? Then you need the matching dryer, and so you get another fun hunt out of the deal.
As I've mentioned here before, I solved my immediate vacuum problem with an Elux Diamond Jubilee. Nice machine, but what I REALLY want is a TriStar/Compact like I grew up with. There's always something else to search for.
My prime era for appliances is the mid-1960's- they had pretty much the same convenience features as today, like self-cleaning ovens on ranges. But they were still very well built.
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Post# 44296-9/1/2004-00:15 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: I definitely agree about build quality.It seems that the manufacturers we have left today were at their peak in the 60's.KM/WP,GE, Frigidaire and Maytag were putting out top quality products.
I think my favorite KM machine of that era is that 64 Lady KM washer in Turqouise.It is one very elegant looking machine.
Even in todays economy i would pay extra money just to have that classy styling be brought back.
Nothing like the look and feel of steel.
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Post# 44297-9/1/2004-00:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: Tri-Star-Compact is the Machine that I sell along with another man.He is the dist of them in the Eastern NC area. He gets the machines from a major Tri-Star distributer in Raleigh.They are still a metal body machine-the body is made of Magnesium.I show the prospect the stenght of the body of the machine by actually standing on it.Wouldn't dare do that with a plastic body machine.I love the Tri Stars like Kirbys.Kirby is the one I grew up with.Maybe I will need a dryer for the 800 washer.However I am trying to rewind further back into time--Want a late 50's or early 60's washer and dryer-say a Kenmore-or a Norge.I am also trying to find older Compact-Tri-Star vacs. Those are not easy to find.Usaually they are used until they die or are completly beat up.Have seen drywall contractors use them.The little "pigs" just eat up plaster dust and nails and come back for more. The contractors also like Filter Queens.I saw a Tri-Star history video sent to us with other training videos(sales) Want a copy of that history video.It shows all of the models they made from 1946 to the present.Tri-Star even made some custom models for celeberty people.Even made one whose body was solid silver!! a very beautiful machine.Made as an award for a famous Tri-Star salesman.It even works!the person even uses it.I am hoping to run into some vintage "pigs" during my sales during weekends.There is a 50% discount in price to a person who has an older Tri-Star.Same thing with Kirbys.My prime would be late fiftys machines to 60's.
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Post# 44298-9/1/2004-00:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: My favorite Compact/Tristar is the turquoise one from the 1960s (C6 perhaps?) I know of someone who has one of these in the box never used. I like the clear "gold speckled" tools and people swear by their bare floor nozzle design. All in all a pretty nice machine.
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Post# 44299-9/1/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: Yes-I have some of the Gold Speckled tools. I also like the metal bare floor attachment.Unfortunately-Tri-Star was bought up by electrolux-and some of their design has rubbed off on TriStar.I have the last IEC design TriStar Compact machine. Have a sales video that demo's the older machine.Like its design better. That bare floor tool is better than the 'Lux design.I too would like the turquoise machine.Didn't those come from the fifties as well-Compact had many colors back then. also had the "cedar chest" style storage case to put the machine and tools in when it wasn't in use. Many vac companies used that storage chest design in the 50's. Would be handy to day. Beats putting it in the closet!That never used machine your friend has is indeed pretty rare. Usually they are used to the death.-Shows how good those Compacts are.And-BTW the paper bags sold with the new TriStars will fit the older machines.Allows you to use the paer bag in them instead of the cloth bag alone. Saves wear on the cloth bag.-gives better filtration ahead of the motor too-motors will last even longer!
Does your freinds machine have the Storage Chest?I also liked the older TriStar powernozzle better than the Lux designed nozzle used today.However the Lux design eliiminates the Pigtasil cords for the powernozzle.That makes it easier.
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Post# 44300-9/1/2004-01:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: This is what I mean about the name change, wouldn't it confuse people to log onto a site that's named "automaticwasher.org" and get a POD of a big pink electric range? In the case of dishwashers, we could "stretch" a little and consider them to be "automatic washers".... :-)
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Post# 44301-9/1/2004-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: name change (name change)
MESSAGE: OK, got it. Didn't see this explanation until I'd already posted about the GE range POD.
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Post# 44302-9/1/2004-01:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (BD parts availability)
MESSAGE: I don't think they are going to discontinue the BD parts anytime soon. As with cars, length of parts availability depends on how long a certain part was used, and if there was enough demand for aftermarket suppliers to get into the picture i.e., companies like Gemline, who made one of the replacement pumps for my LK, and also the door gasket for a 1963 Kelvinator refrigerator I once had. Mechanical parts tend to be available longer tham trim and cosmetic parts. The water level control knob on my '78 LK has gone NLA, and the Triple Dispenser Lid is available in White only. I also found that I can't get a new lid for my '72 LK portable anymore, either, nor one of the two motor start capacitors they used.
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Post# 44303-9/1/2004-01:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (parts availability)
MESSAGE: It's ironic that when you most need parts is when they are being discontinued. Let me warn you now, Sony tells you up front that if something is more than 7 years old don't get your hopes up about parts to fix it.
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Post# 44304-9/1/2004-01:59 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
Pretty Pink Vintage Kenmore Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: How precious is this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3837318661&rd=1
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Post# 44305-9/1/2004-02:37 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pretty Pink Vintage Kenmore Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: Wow!!...that looks exactly like the machine i found at curbside
several months ago.The machine i saw was in pristine shape cosmetically,the only thing i own remotely classic is the agitator i snagged from this machine.A roto swirl that has the same cap as Roberts 57 Lady,but the vanes come all the way up on the post.
PC
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Post# 44306-9/1/2004-03:00 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pretty Pink Vintage Kenmore Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: My buddy was with me when i spotted the wringer washer.Right around the corner from where he lives.It was like a do or die situation. I remember saying to him i had to pull over to look at something. I immediately went over to the wringer machine to see which brand it was,and i seen that it was a visi-matic.
I started unscrewing the agitator cap and the look he shot me was funny. One of those "what do you want something like that for". I said it was a collectors item and yes i am into agitators,he did not know what to make of it...I just thought i would share that story as most of here have had the same experiences.
The look on my buddies face was too funny.He just said well that's cool.That was definitely a coming out experience LOL
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Post# 44307-9/1/2004-06:03 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: They must have been a one year only sponsor of "Bewitched",since GM (Frigidaire) sponsored the show for so many years.Any info on that?
kennyGF
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Post# 44308-9/1/2004-07:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Fresh Start & Thanks to UNIGANSKYNEAL)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac: Robert and I found Fresh Start out in Minnie one day so in it went to the machine for shipping back east. Yes there is a Copper Filter pan in pretty good shape which I carried back on the plane not trusting the shippers to keep it with the machine. I must say they did a terrific packing job A++!
Thanks again to Robert,Neal & GregN for capturing and giving me my childhood machine! Thanks Guys I really do enjoy having it here again.
jon
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Post# 44309-9/1/2004-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: or New Orleans
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Post# 44310-9/1/2004-07:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: I wish someone had this DW in the club. The window looks neat and you get to watch the roto-rack spin.
My aunt had a 1970s KM dishwasher and I used to love the washing sound. The hum with water splashing and the clank of dishes every now and then, I guess as they spin on the rack.
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Post# 44311-9/1/2004-08:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: Yay, congratulations Jon! That '56 GE washer has certainly made the rounds, Don (Jetaction) found it here in Minneapolis, I went and saved it and used it for a couple of weeks, it continued on its travels to Omaha where Greg got to play with it for a while and now its made its way to Boston, I assume for its final stop.
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Post# 44312-9/1/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies???
MESSAGE:
I don't mean to sound obnoxious, but while guessing games are fun, I think this one's been going on way too long, and it's time someone who knows about this revealed it already.
No.
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Post# 44313-9/1/2004-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: No actually this picture was from pilot first episode of Bewitched aired 9/17/64. They might not have had General Motors as the sponsor yet, because their Washer and Dryer in the first few episodes was a Maytag set.
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Post# 44314-9/1/2004-10:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Fresh Start & Thanks to UNIGANSKYNEAL)
MESSAGE: Yay, congratulations Jon! That '56 GE washer has certainly made the rounds, Don (Jetaction) found it here in Minneapolis, I went and saved it and used it for a couple of weeks, it continued on its travels to Omaha where Greg got to play with it for a while and now its made its way to Boston, I assume for its final stop.
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Post# 44315-9/1/2004-10:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: Oops I put that last reply in the wrong post, old age is catching up to me!
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Post# 44316-9/1/2004-11:18 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies??? (HaHaHa!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
You really crack me up sometimes!
Brent
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Post# 44317-9/1/2004-12:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Fresh Start & Thanks to UNIGANSKYNEAL)
MESSAGE: I will not respond to this!
I will not respond to this!
I will not...
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Post# 44318-9/1/2004-12:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Fresh Start & Thanks to UNIGANSKYNEAL)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!! The old age caught me too! I replied to the wrong message too! ROFLMAO!!!
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Post# 44319-9/1/2004-13:03 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (more places to buy crummy new appliances)
MESSAGE: I went to the local Orchard Supply Hardware, owned by Sears, and they had two Kenmore washers, two Kenmore dryers and two Kenmore refrigerators for sale.
Now we have one more place to buy crummy new appliances.
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Post# 44320-9/1/2004-14:26 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Washers no longer behind Lowes in Fort Wayne)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenny,
I stopped over at Lowes at lunch time,but the machines were already gone.A lone 1980's dishwasher was all that was there.Thank's for the lead.Perhaps we will have better luck next time! The early bird got the worm (:
Rick
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Post# 44321-9/1/2004-16:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Spacemaker Set--80's
MESSAGE: Exactly; I spotted a MW washer similar to that one at a used-appliance store--could you believe they wanted $165 for it??
Considering the sorry cleaning ability, slow spin, and the indexing tub I don't think it's worth anything.
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Post# 44322-9/1/2004-17:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies???
MESSAGE: >:o
Well I'll just have to wait and find out in the future...;-)
We already know the movie isn't set in modern times so it will be relatively easy to guess when it's released.
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Post# 44323-9/1/2004-17:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Probably the nicest 28 I've seen on eBay! Fully restored down to "every nut & bolt", brush strips & belt replaced, and it's near-mint! These were post WWII machines from the 1940's.
Robert I think you would like this one to use with your Electroluxes.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4322217336&fromMakeTrack=true
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Post# 44324-9/1/2004-18:09 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies??? (U never know...........)
MESSAGE: IT could be set in modern times.....It could be a movie about a laundrophile that just had to have a westy washer and dryer and in the end finds them and is once again reunited with the washer and dryer of his Dreams !
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Post# 44325-9/1/2004-18:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies??? (U never know...........)
MESSAGE: This is just a thought, but maybe it's set in a lower-class residence, such as a tenement house, and these old machines have been there since new. I do have to admit that they would appear too beautiful for that type of movie, although a little stage makeup could change that! ;-)
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Post# 44326-9/1/2004-18:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies??? (U never know...........)
MESSAGE: Wouldn't that be something! I have a feeling that Robert or Greg will be documented in a movie about appliance collectors in the future, since they both have wonderful collections, restoration talent, as well as a basic "knack" for washers. I know a vintage appliance movie will surface eventually...just give it some time.
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Post# 44327-9/1/2004-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!! (Fresh Start & Thanks to UNIGANSKYNEAL)
MESSAGE: Jetcone: When I first saw the pictures of the machine being uncrated-starting with the picture of the crate-first thought it was new old stock--then it dawned on me that they didn't have bubble paper in those days that GE was made.It certainly looks brand new.Yes-that shipping company did a perfect packing job-and handled the package carefully as well.Wow-that was your childhood machine-must of been so cool-brings back real memories doesen't it? I would like machines from that era-but it would be several-my dad was in the Air Force so we moved a lot. I do remember one copper lint dish GE Filter Flo in one of our homes-was a base home.Wouldn't be a strange and interesting fate-if THAT was the machine you used in your childhood!Speaking of the movie posts-how but a movie reuniting an old machine with its owner then a child!The machine is returned to him as an adult!That would be a very interesting movie.
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Post# 44328-9/1/2004-19:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (BD parts availability)
MESSAGE: Thats good on the BD parts-Because so many of those machines are still in use-there would be a market for the parts.That makes sense on the mechanical parts-those being around longer then the decorative parts.On those-you would have to salvage them from a scrapped machine waitng its turn for the Krusher.For you motor caps--Did you try Graingers or even Newark? Both of these usually have a selection of motor caps that should replace any out there.When I was repairing power tools-thats where I got them from.The contractor equipment I worked on used LOTS of motor caps.
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Post# 44329-9/1/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Washers no longer behind Lowes in Fort Wayne)
MESSAGE: We can only hope they went to a caring home-I hope the "Krusher" didn't get them first.
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Post# 44330-9/1/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Wonder what its final price will be.
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Post# 44331-9/1/2004-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (more places to buy crummy new appliances)
MESSAGE: With that-I am not going to seek out any Orchard Hardware stores.Look on the bright side-New appliances soon become food for those hungry "Krushers" out there.
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Post# 44332-9/1/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts- Vintage Stuff)
MESSAGE: That washer is in really good shape after all of its travels-Is it going on a World Tour?The shipping for that would really be up there.Maybe it will qualify for frequent flyer mileage!It could travel First Class.The machine has made 3 stops?
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Post# 44333-9/1/2004-20:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Well the game has started...
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Post# 44334-9/1/2004-21:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: And for the record I've never seen a Model 28 go over $225, but this could change everything...
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Post# 44335-9/1/2004-21:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Seriously-that much???Whats this coming too-guess we'll have to give more for trade-ins.That vac would probably only sell for 15 bucks a a swap shop.The DTD vac fraternity won't like that.
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Post# 44336-9/1/2004-21:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Yes, for one in this condition!
Model 28's are very hardy machines and seem to last a lifetime, and unlike the earlier Model 150 you tend to see them frequently.
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Post# 44337-9/1/2004-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: I could see it for a machine that was never used and put aside-but not a "restored" used one.If they are seen frequently-the value would go way down.-Its to the point thats why I look for vacs at the swap shop or survey ones I and other vac dealers get as trade ins.
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Post# 44338-9/1/2004-22:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: The cheapest 28 I saw went for $10! And it wasn't in bad shape either!
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Post# 44339-9/1/2004-22:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Apex Question(s)
MESSAGE: On the Apex automatics, did the strange-looking agitator (or "dasher" as Apex called it...) actually oscillate back and forth while the tub pivoted ("bounced")?
Also, did these machines spin normally with an upright tub or did it spin on the point where agitation stopped?
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Post# 44340-9/1/2004-23:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: I did 2 loads in my Bendix last weekend and took many pictures. That's probably the splashiest front-loader I've seen, as well as the most fun to watch. I tried but the pictures really don't do it justice as far as entertainment is concerned (except maybe one...you'll notice which one it is); to really appreciate the Bendix action you have to see one run "live". Put it this way; I had no idea it was this amusing until I water-tested it, and then clothes-tested it!
I cleaned the porcelain top & door up, installed the new hose, inspected and oiled the pump impeller & drain valve. I was surprised how clean the pump was on the inside! I did these washes with the "shell" off, and really can't wait to put the "new" cabinet back on...YAY!
I'll let the captions take over from here.
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=11@'47%20Baby%20Bendix%20Maiden%20Load@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 44341-9/1/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: I bought a Hoover#31 and a 1929 model Hoover for $15 each from a fellow in my neighborhood. The local vac store told me about him.He tried to trade the machines in toward a new one-but the vac store didn't want them because they are too old for him to resell.I am the about the only collector in this immediate area.Also got an Electrolux forabout the same price(XXX model) with all of its orig tools.The woman used it when she was a little girl. She bought a Royal Power Team canister to replace it.The Vac dealer didn't want the 'Lux and refered her to me.The 10 dollar price is more reasonable.I stick to those.I mainly cleanup the machines and replace minor parts. Its from my gun collecting habit as well-You have to be careful about "restoration" on those. The value of a firearm can be destroyed by improper or inappropriate "restoration"The motors in the Lux and the Hoovers run and purr perfect-If they are like that-I leave them alone.
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Post# 44342-9/1/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Question(s)
MESSAGE: "Dasher" is the name of the stirring or agitating device in an ice cream freezer.Also the fun part to lick when the ice cream was finished!
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Post# 44343-9/2/2004-00:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: That machine works real nice-you did a great job fixing up up.Liked some of your "colorful" loads you did in it.If you need to get a front loader-that is a good choice-better than those boring Neptunes-all FL machines should have a "porthole" in the door.Maybe some Neptune users get "seasick" watching the clothes turn in the machine?Also-interesting how it really froths up with suds with the small amount of detergent you used.
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Post# 44344-9/2/2004-01:54 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
great photos of the baby in action, oh, I love those suds-photos.
Did that Bendix already had a spin drying cycle?
Greetz
Kai
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Post# 44345-9/2/2004-04:50 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: Hi Rex, Congrats on your vintage finds! Sounds like its hard for you to pass up a good deal. I`m the same way( even if i have nowhere to put them!) Maby we could do a book titled "How to decorate with vacuum cleaners", or maby build a special bracket to hang them from the ceiling,Its just wasted space anyway! I would like to see some pics sometime. Best regards, Don
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Post# 44346-9/2/2004-05:05 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Jet, Congrats on The Copper Mummy! All I can say is "WOW"!
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Post# 44347-9/2/2004-05:30 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Washers no longer behind Lowes in Fort Wayne)
MESSAGE: If I had a way to get them when I saw them,they would be safe and sound now! Hope they didn't go to the scrapyard!
kennyGF
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Post# 44348-9/2/2004-06:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD ("
Bewitched"
sponsers)
MESSAGE: I don't think Frigidaire ever sponsered the show, the producers just happened to use their appliances. Sponsers over the years were Quaker Oats, Chevrolet, among others, but never Frigidaire.
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Post# 44349-9/2/2004-06:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (motor caps)
MESSAGE: Fortunately, the cap my motor uses is the one that's still available.
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Post# 44350-9/2/2004-07:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE:
"Did that Bendix already had a spin drying cycle?"
Yes, but I didn't use it because it's not a soft-mount and I don't have it bolted down. The spin is pretty unimpressive anyway; only 311 RPM.
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Post# 44351-9/2/2004-07:34 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Question(s)
MESSAGE: I remember the tub/agitator to be one unit--like the skinny-mini. It was a turquoise color and the tub had a sort of sculpted bottom. This was a coin-op machine at one of my Grandmothers rental properties back in the 1950's. I don't remember any lean or displacement to the tub when it was spinning. I do rmemeber it splashed almost all the water out of the tub in the first few minutes of "bouncing" , then the clothes just sort of flopped around.
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Post# 44352-9/2/2004-07:35 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Looks like a lot of fun to watch. Certainly leaves my "Fridgemore" in the dust!
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Post# 44353-9/2/2004-07:47 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: I always figured the reason they used the Fridgidaires was because of the sponsorship by General Motors, Chevrolet Division.
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Post# 44354-9/2/2004-08:18 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: I think that's a fair assessment, because if you look, you will see that all the Frigidaire logos on the appliances were covered up, maybe with tape or something. It's plain to see on the shots with the Flair in the background.....
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Post# 44355-9/2/2004-08:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action... (Ain't no Frigemore)
MESSAGE: That thing is alot more splashy than Sir Frigemore.
Old FLs are much fun to watch because of the water splashing.
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Post# 44356-9/2/2004-08:29 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Parts Clearance and wish list
MESSAGE: I am going through parts I will not probably ever use and thought I would let you know what I am going to toss unless one of you needs or wants anything. I would be happy to ship anywhere for the price of postage. Here's the inventory:
2 GE white mini baskets, 2 GE white filter pans, 2 GE white Fabric softener dispenser, 1 newer Speed Queen Fabric Softener dispenser & agitator cap, Gold Super Roto Swirl Kenmore Agitator & two tops for it, Whirlpool surgilator (bakelike) misc other pieces and parts.
On my parts wish list: GE "Jet Swirl" fabric softener dispenser (the one that goes over the larger agitator)-late 60's-early 70's. Anyone have an extra? Thanks, Don
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Post# 44357-9/2/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Question(s)
MESSAGE: The Apex has no agitator, its just a fiberglass molded tub with a tall hump in the middle.
Yes, the machine spins exactly on the point where the wash tub stopped bouncing.
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Post# 44358-9/2/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Congratulations Austin on a wonderful restoration. Did you bolt the washer to floor or are you just not letting it spin yet?
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Post# 44359-9/2/2004-10:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies???
MESSAGE: I'd wish you would stop guessing, speculating, assuming and trying to find out things. You aren't very good at it as we already know. If I want to read that kind of stuff I will start buying gossip magazines, which I BTW never do.
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Post# 44360-9/2/2004-13:15 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Austin, What a great machine. One of our laundromats had these is the late 50's and early sixties. You are correct in saying that they did not need a lot of detergent. I put too much detergent in one time (FAB) and all 7 machines shot up suds when it went into the first spin. Did the machine clean the clothes well?
Ray
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Post# 44361-9/2/2004-13:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD (KM 600 DW questions)
MESSAGE: My first encounter with (POD 09/01) KM DW roto-rack had a full size bottom “wash arm”. I was not aware that early models had a bottom “impellor”, as well as, upper “spray arm”.
My question is. Was there a separate pump that supplied water to the upper “spray arm”? Or did the bottom impellor via a connection in the “sump” area supply water to the upper “spray arm”? I do know that early GE Mobile Maids had 2 motors. A small one motor used for the purpose of draining only. Were there 2 motors in the KM 600 DW used to operate spray arm and drain?
Thanks.
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Post# 44362-9/2/2004-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: Excellent - I'm glad it arrived in good condition! I forgot about the Fresh Start bottle in there, it was almost like unpacking a brand new washer with the free sample pack inside...
Did you get the other boxes I sent?
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Post# 44363-9/2/2004-15:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Great pics Austin - I just love watching those machines slosh around the laundry...
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Post# 44364-9/2/2004-15:39 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action... (The '47 Baby Bendix in action)
MESSAGE: Austin,
Real Great Best of Luck with a real treasure
Peter
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Post# 44365-9/2/2004-16:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD (KM 600 DW questions)
MESSAGE: My KM 600 has 2 motors, 1 for the impeller and 1 for draining. The "spray tube" that makes the Roto-Rack spin is supplied by a separate pump UNDER the tub (not in the sump) that's on the same shaft as the impeller. It draws water from the same opening in the sump that the drain pump draws from when draining. When they went to the bottom wash arm but still had the spray tube and Roto Rack, the separate drain pump was done away with and draining was accomplished by reversing the motor. This system used two impellers and WAS in the sump. The bottom impeller pumped water to the spray tube (and later the upper wash arms post-Roto Rack) and drained when motor was reversed. The upper pump impeller supplied the lower wash arm(and telescoping "tower" for the upper rack, depending on the model)
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Post# 44366-9/2/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westies in the Movies???
MESSAGE: This was a joke, and btw the post is dead. Stop arguing, please.
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Post# 44367-9/2/2004-18:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Question(s) (Apex Dasher)
MESSAGE: My mistake; I just remembered that the Apex wringers used those "dashers." Here's a picture of a similar-looking agitator, from a 1930's Montgomery Ward machine (coincedence?). It's not exactly the same as the Apex agitator but the wave-like shape with no visible centerpost was used on the Apex wringers--just check an the Apex ad on eBay and you'll see what it looks like.
--Austin
LINK: http://208.139.203.38/oldewash_docs/oldewash/agitator_alley/gyrator689.jpg
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Post# 44368-9/2/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Seeing your Laundromat in action on "Hey, Remember" prompted me to get the Bendix and give it a try!
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Post# 44369-9/2/2004-18:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: I'm not letting it spin yet; instead using the Kenmore to extract the water from the clothes. The clothes aren't really sopping wet when I pull them out surprisingly.
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Post# 44370-9/2/2004-18:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Question(s)
MESSAGE: When you had your Apex did you think it cleaned well?
The bouncing basket sounds very splashy & sudsy in action and could very well be the first washer with a non-metal solid tub! That is, if the original 1947 version didn't have a metal tub...
Can't wait to hear from FilterFlo to see if he brought one home!
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Post# 44371-9/2/2004-18:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Parts Clearance and wish list
MESSAGE: Email me at
westytoploader@yahoo.com to discuss shipping/payment; I'm interested in the lot.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 44372-9/2/2004-19:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Appliance pick ups...
MESSAGE: Lets say you're out and about one afternoon,and venture behind the local home improvement store.Or by the dock at the local Sears store. And lets say you find that elusive 1963 Frigidaire washer you've sought after forever. Or that Speed Queen just like the one Gramma had.
Do you just snatch it up? Or do you go inside,and ask first? And what if you ask,and they say" Someone is already picking them up". You know the older ones go right to the scrapyard,right? Do you save it from certain destruction?
Pieces by the dumpster,or at the curb I feel are there for the taking. But what about the situations described above? Just curious what other "collectors" do! Thanks!
kennyGF
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Post# 44373-9/2/2004-19:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups...
MESSAGE: Well here I can't find that...and I almost had a Skinni-Mini but the guy wouldn't budge on the price...$70 less than its ORIGINAL price!
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Post# 44374-9/2/2004-19:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups...
MESSAGE: If the machine or whatever you want is on the stores property(even by their dumpster)I would ask.Now if the machine is "on the curb" in front of a place for trash pickup-then its considered abandoned property or discarded property.When the store says "someone is picking them up" you can probably assume its the "krusher" to take them for trash.Sometimes they do go to the second hand appliance stores. If thats the case ask where its going.If its the Krusher-the store may let you take it.I guess in some of these cases the rules of "dumpster diving" apply even if it isn't in the dumpster.I have known of stores prosecuting people for taking items off their propery-even if its "waste"I'd be careful with Sears and Lowes.They may even be flattered that someone was interested in something that was going to get tossed.I think it would be nice if those stores sold the machines "as is" for a small price for folks like us.We might even ORDER the PARTS from them!Also on the above of machines found on properties-if the store is closed-police might question you pretty harshly if they catch you taking the items.
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Post# 44375-9/2/2004-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups...
MESSAGE: Oh-You may want to try to talk to and get to be freinds with the store's manager-he may call you when vintage machines get traded in!
Years ago I watched a man "dumpster diving" in a dumpster behind what used to be Dart Drug.I watched him several times. Then my curousity got the best of me-I asked him what he was finding.He showed me several almost PERFECT condition small appliances like irons and hair dryers that were thrown in the dumpster.They were marked "returned by customer" on the packages.the diver even told me most worked and he sold them from his thrift store!The druug store didn't bother him.They even let him still "dive" even when they threw out more trash.I found some things following his lead.I also collect some advertising media such as signs and banners-found many this way.Was pretty neat living just behind a shopping center.Was just as much fun "shopping" the dumpsters as the stores. I did talk to the stores as well-they even put things aside for me-didn't have to "dive" for them anymore!
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Post# 44376-9/2/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (motor caps)
MESSAGE: I think caps for home appliance motors will always be available-there is just so many out there!And new motors need them as well.
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Post# 44377-9/2/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: It is tough to pass up a good deal.I guess like you -have many-MANY vacuums.Its to the point some of the vac places come to me for parts!At one place did see a rack suspended from the ceiling the vac store hung their vac hoses from.Someday will have to get a digital camera and figure out how to use it!Someone will have to write a book-"photographing your appliances and vacuum cleaners!Normally I am not a photographer.-But with other folks showing pictures-guess its a good idea.Any camera recommendations?-and ones easy enough for a radioman to use!
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Post# 44378-9/2/2004-20:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 28 Vacuum!
MESSAGE: I posted a reply in the Sandbox.
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Post# 44379-9/2/2004-21:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action... (Nice Pix)
MESSAGE: Well Austin that machine came out nice! I still have to repair mine and bolt it down after 14 years!! Looks like you will have lots of washing fun this winter.
Thanks for sharing the pix always a pleasure!
jon
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Post# 44380-9/2/2004-21:48 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: The '47 Baby Bendix in action...
MESSAGE: Many happy washings with your new "toy".As always pictures are fun to look at.
PC
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Post# 44381-9/3/2004-01:34 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT:
Vintage 1980's Maytag Coin-Op Washers
MESSAGE: Vaguely remember these units in the local laundrymat in our area. We would pass by each day and on occasion when the family washer was out of commission, would help haul the laundry over to use several of these machines.
Honk if you adore Harvest Gold!
I'm told these units are some of the best washers Maytage built. Sadly with water and utility costs, most laundrymats have moved on to front loaders, so these beautiful units may end up at the krusher.
Launderess
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=55852&item=3837281267&rd=1
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Post# 44382-9/3/2004-06:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage 1980's Maytag Coin-Op Washers (and Avocado)
MESSAGE: Mmmmmmmm....
Look at the beautiful colors.
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Post# 44383-9/3/2004-06:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Brady Bunch Marathon
MESSAGE: On Sat, September 25, TV Land will be doing a marathon of the Brady Bunch. For those of you who are fans of the 70s and avocado (like me), this will be the day to have those TiVo's or VCR's going. I'm sure they're going to show the episode where Bobby oversudses the avocado Whirlpool Supreme 80. And not to mention the numerous shots of the kitchen with its ORANGE Formica, the Sunbeam Mixmaster (which I own), the Corning percolator, and all those other kitchen gadgets that Alice got to play with (what a lucky girl).
See I Love Lucy, Bewitched, move over, here comes the beautiful earth tone of avocado. Now that's MY childhood.
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Post# 44384-9/3/2004-08:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups... (Interesting Question)
MESSAGE: That's an interesting question Kenny. For me it sort of depends on the situation. If something is at the curb or in the alley obviously waiting for trash pickup I would pick it up without even thinking about it. If it's behind a store and no one is around I would also just pick it up, but if there are people around who obviously work for this store I would very casually ask the person(s) who is nearest to the machine. If they said no and its an extremely rare machine that needs to be saved at all costs, I would find another way. Flashing
$$$ in front of their face usually does the trick.
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Post# 44385-9/3/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Brady Bunch Marathon (Screen Shots)
MESSAGE: This will be great, hopefully someone can capture some screen shots of their appliances.
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Post# 44386-9/3/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Discuss-O-Mat is Almost Done
MESSAGE: Over the upcoming holiday weekend I’m going to try and put in the last hours of the initial work on our new forum. When I implement the new forum system, the old one will be closed permanently. You will be able to read the last posts in the old system via the Discuss-O-Mat archives. All the old Applianceville archive posts will be available back to #1 in the new Archives. Hopefully there will not be any major, show-stopping bugs. More to come soon.
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Post# 44387-9/3/2004-08:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Brady Bunch Marathon (Screen Shots)
MESSAGE: I plan on capturing the whole marathon, taking out the commercials and dumping them to DVD. So we should get some nice screen shots.
It's the 35th anniv. of the Brady Bunch. WOW! It'll soon be my 34th birthday.
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Post# 44388-9/3/2004-10:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Brady Bunch Marathon (Bobby Washer episode)
MESSAGE: OK, here's the scoop.
Sunday, Sept 26th at 9:30am, tune in to TV Land for the episode Law and Disorder as Bobby Brady oversudses the beautiful avocado 1973 Whirlpool Supreme. I think this is the only time we see the Brady laundry room. This is my fave episode and I can't wait to see it again.
"A rule is a rule"
By the way, that washer is on my dream machine list.
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Post# 44389-9/3/2004-11:03 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Brady Bunch Marathon (Bobby Washer episode)
MESSAGE: We also saw the laundry room when Cindy tried on her mother's chandelier earrings and hid them under a towel when she heard her mother approaching. Immediately thereafter, Alice collected the towel to wash, and the earrings clung to it. After synchronizing their watches and reenacting the scene of the crime, they determined what happened to them. Then we saw Alice with the Surgilator out, digging around in the fictional cavernous pit underneath it. (If I remember correctly, she had her whole arm down in that washer--head practically on the cabinet top. Maybe I'm exaggerating.) She pulled out one earring in fine condition, the other terribly mangled.
T.
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Post# 44390-9/3/2004-13:21 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore POD (KM 600 DW questions)
MESSAGE: Thanks for detailed explanation. Of course more questions.
Does your KM 600 dw still work?
Lower rack loading configuration “circular”?
If not. Does it wash lower rack satisfactorily?
Solenoid diverts the water between spray tube and drain mode?
Detergent dispensers?
# of fills?
Cycles / time?
Heats water?
Thanks,
Christian aka PartyCycle
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Post# 44391-9/3/2004-13:24 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-Mat is Almost Done
MESSAGE: Fantastic!!! Thank you very much for doing all that work. I appreciate it.
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Post# 44392-9/3/2004-13:47 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups...
MESSAGE: Kenny,
Depends on whether the stuff is behind a locked gate or not.
At Lowe's the appliances are out behind the fence.. It is first come, first served.
At Appliance Land, they have a loading dock, that has a fence around it. They charge me $20 per machine. I got a Neptune, and an Atlantis set. The Atlantis set was perfect! The Neptune cost me an additional $25 to get up and running. (BTW, the Neptune is in Florida, now, with Mom and Dad.) Appliance Land also has a recycle pile behind their second warehouse. Those are free.
Kelly Appliance also has a fenced in area and the appliances are $25 each. Got my first Maytag 806 set, there.
Steve1-18
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Post# 44393-9/3/2004-13:55 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Discuss-O-Mat is Almost Done (note of thanks)
MESSAGE: I just wanted to say thank you for all you do here. Since being turned on to this site a month ago, it has become a daily habit to come look at the P.O.D. and read the posts. I usually watch a washer cycle once a day. LOL. My family is getting some amusement out of this also. My sister said " I knew it was bad when you were young....But now I am worried" HAHAHA.
OHHHH and while I am thinking of it. I was wondering if a glossary of terms might be added. I feel guilty asking you to do anymore than you already do. But there are times in posts, I dont quite understand the abbreviations. It took some time to figure out BD and DD as belt-driven / Direct drive. Just thought it might be nice for newbies such as I if we had someplace to look this up. Hate to constantly post -- "what is _________"?
THANKS AGAIN for bringing the JOY of those vintage washers and a simpler time back into my life. MY hats off to you ! Tom
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Post# 44394-9/3/2004-13:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Brady Bunch Marathon
MESSAGE: Ah Yes: TV Land! Was watching an early episode of Bewitched (B&W) the other day and Darrin was at his parent's house. Sure hope the Baxter's didn't mind the Steven's were using their kitchen!
On I Dream of Jeanie, the Bellows' borrowed Darrin and Samantha's living room minus the stairway to the second floor.
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Post# 44395-9/3/2004-14:59 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
HOBART KITCHENAID DISHWASHER ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Just saw this and thought someone might be interested. I have a few of these and they are GREAT machines! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3837435754&rd=1
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Post# 44396-9/3/2004-16:45 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Appliance PickUp's......
MESSAGE: Hello,
I haven't posted in awhile, but I have been reading the latest discussion topic of machines that are "left for dead", and how we go about getting them.....
I used to work for one of the larget appliance reconditioners in Lansing from about 1998 thru 2001. I found almost all of my sets thru that location, and several persons had also. I opened the store one morning and a older gentleman had asked me if we wanted anything for the green BOL 1978-79 Maytag set that we had left outside the store to be picked up by our recycler.
( The reason that we let that set go, is because the washer had a noisy motor,and a leaky tranny; and the dryer needed a heating element and a belt. Also, we had SO many Maytag washers and dryers at theat time of equal, or better condition and quality ;that these Fabric Matic's, were given up ).I basically told this guy that he was more than welcome to take them as we were about to send them to the Krusher anyway.
(Sidebar)- This was about the same time that I was given by my uncle the 1979 Frigidaire 1-18 Washer and Dryer so this was about the late summer/ fall of 99'. I got the set in May.
This guy came back several times a week looking in our "back forty" trying to find himself stuff and took a few things here and there. We realy diddn't mind it, because it cost us anywhere from $5.00 to $20.00 apiece to have things hauled away. (however I had always scoured it of any major stuff anyway).
What we diddn't know, was this guy was taking stuff that we were about to discard, and putting his own time, money ande effort forth...was reconditioning these unwanted things to give to underpriveledged family's thruought the area. In all, a year or so ago he said that he did over 30 wash and dry sets, 5-10 fridge's, and 20-30 stoves.
Now...the same courtesies were NOT afforded to me on a washer looksee/driveby that I found myself on several months later. I was driving to go and get lunch for us at the store, when I went on the sidestreet beside another lacal appliance reconditioner. As I drove by the back lot out of the corner of my eye I saw a familiar control panel of the 1-18 Frigidaire models.
I kept going as we only set aside an hour for lunch, and when I returned after work the property gate was locked. From where I was standing outside the gate, I could tell that YES it was a 1-18 model, that yes It did have the windowlid that my 1-18 did NOT have, and that it was white the same color as mine.
This was on a Friday afternoon. On Saturday morning I called the place and asked them about it, and they said that yes it was being picked up for trash, but they could care less if I picked stuff from it...although the lady whom I talked to sounded like "Ok who's the crackhead"?....
So laer in the day, I went back up to the place where I had seen this machine, hoping to either get the machine whole or try to get the lid at least and possibly if it was there, the water filter. I pulled my truck into their back lot, and parked in front of the washer blocking it from view. I got out, looked at it...the inner tub was all rusty, the agitator "bladehoop cones", were cracked and bad and the transmission, or something was leaking some sort of brownish fluid.
However, there WAS a filter, it was in sad, but Ok shape...nothing tha a good cleaning wouldn't fix...but the lid was in incredible shape.
Just as I was about to take out the filter...a voice BOOMED out...What the F@#k do you think that your doing.
I spun around onlt to see a very large man who outclassed me in the sumo category...chugging his lard across the parking lot...with a cigar in mouth and a glare that could bend steel...and was carrying of all things...A CROWBAR!! I was like....i just called here, and a lady said that I could pick stuff from this machine? I diddn't mean to upset you...understand my heart was in my throat.
He was like....well the lady that you talked to is my secretary...and SHE did not ask ME if anyone could pick thru MY garbage!!! NOR did you....By this time he was between me and my truck, and the washer blocking the glass lid from my view.
I want you to get you ass in your truck and get the hell off from my property before I call the police...I was like...look Im sorry can I buy it from you? I'll buy the whole thing.....his reply was No...you cannot buy it from me...
So I before I could say anything else....he turned around and slammed the glass lid with his hand/ crowbar and the glass in the lid shattered...falling into the rusty tub beneath....
My heart sank....as he looked at my shock and horror about the face...he just grinned and said...now...get the hell out of here.....and he panted and huffed around the front of my truck..waiting for me to back out of his drive...
I left...never feeling more sick over something in my life..
He must have knew I was wanting that lid....
So there are extremes to dumpster diving. THe Two Lowe's in my area could give a care less what you do w/ thier old stuff. Mainly tho...it's older Maytags, Whirlpools, several newer WCI'idaires...Norge's and other uncool brands that I forget about. Never have seen any old stuff tho...probably because there isn't much left here in this area...that I know of..anyway
So that's what happened to me.....when I dumpster dove before...
Thanks
Chad
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Post# 44397-9/3/2004-17:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance PickUp's...... (Shattering window lids...how sad)
MESSAGE: Shatter a rare 1-18 window lid like that...he
wouldn't have done that in front of me I tell you! I would have turned around, pointed that truck at him...let's just say he would be hiding inside after that! Even though the lid was broken, I would have stopped by later and snatched the filter just to piss him off; I bet he would have noticed it was missing.
I think you made a mistake in not checking the
inside of the building for
reconditioned 1-18 machines first, and let the guy know what you were looking for; I think he thought you were someone just stripping parts off a machine and didn't realize you needed a glass lid for your 1-18 set.
I thought 1-18 glass lids were tough.
And Norges by Lowe's? I've been looking for a 70's Norge lately...speaking of that; CR said in '73 the Norge wide-base straight-vane cleaned better than the Roto-Swirl in the Kenmore, although the burp-up lint filter splashed out of the lid and onto the floor. I've seen some eBay Norges in Texas as well.
--Austin
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Post# 44398-9/3/2004-17:01 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse POD....
MESSAGE: WOW,
Well this is the VERY machine that switched me over to Front Loaders for good about five years ago. My machine set however is a beige , not harvest gold as pictured...or the goldtone that Westinghouse had.
This machine still get's an occasional workout when I have company, who stay in my guesthouse apartment.. I recently finished my 1 bedroom apartment above my fairly new garage..Many months ago i told you of it burning down due to an electrical fire...
Anyway, I have this right now rented to a good freind for extra income. When we finished that project I put the old Westinghouse Space Mate Laundromat's up there stacked so they had a purpose. The apartment is decorated mind you in retro 70's funk anyway...which is what my partner and I chose..
I chose the Westinghouse's over the 1-18 set because well.. I just still have an issue with them having troubles with the bellows, and other things. And I still see many of the older 28 inch Laundromats floating around so I know that these will not be troublesome to fix. And they fit right beside the shower in the bathroom, as their would have been NO room for a side by side ...otherwise.
In fact I WISH I would have had, or had been able to find.... the underdrawers that are pictured....God those would have been helpful....I ended up building a six inch platform riser out of wood/ and plywood, covered in carpet to sit them on. Which was cool cause my newer Frigi's sit on it also. Makes it MUCH easier to load!!
Okay that's it...
Chad
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Post# 44399-9/3/2004-17:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse POD....
MESSAGE: Many 1-18 outer "water" bellows are still available on eBay, although you must address the problem correctly before it's too late and the tranny freezes up...
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Post# 44400-9/3/2004-17:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups... (Interesting Question)
MESSAGE: Remember the Hotpoint story; the owners wouldn't give it to you, even for $130, but instead throw it away? Well at least you got a deal! ;-)
What's the harm in someone giving you a washer, when you already know they're not going to use it! Many people now who see an automatic washer from the 60's get rid of it and put their "new" set in, unfortunately.
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Post# 44401-9/3/2004-17:12 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance PickUp's...... (Shattering window lids...how sad)
MESSAGE: Austin,
You would NOT have wanted to mess w/ this guy....He reminded me right away of Dwayne Schneider from "One Day at A Time", but a 400 pound Schneider. Im a fairly big guy at 6'2 and 265-70 area...but this guy was MASSIVE...
I thought about going back and hopping the fence and just taking the stuff anyway...but I was kinda thinking.....Uh where would I EVER get a new glass?
I ended up getting another one in to the store w/ the glass lid, but it was gold, and I had to have it sand blasted and repainted white...you can tell that it isn't QUITE correct, the shade is a few notches off what is on the rest of the machine, and I found a NOS filter at a parts store in Grand Rapids...so all is well with the 1-18's.
Gee, Maybe I shoud find another 1-18 set that I could use for play?
Chad
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Post# 44402-9/3/2004-17:19 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: Check out the photo of the Neptunes on e-bay #3837565481. Now thats a testimony to current Maytag "quality"!
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Post# 44403-9/3/2004-17:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: Ugh...
Considering a Maytag TL was top-rated in the 1973 CR Washer Tests, with the 1-18 in the close second!
Interesting note that I found a straight-vane on RepairClinic.com that will work in my Dependable Care. Would be better than the "load-sensor" DA agitator in it now...
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Post# 44404-9/3/2004-18:09 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
Happy Birthday (belated) to you. Gee to be sixteen again........
I have a straight vane Maytag turquoise agitator and if you want it. Just pay for the shipping. Thought I would offer. At least the Load sensor moves the clothes DOWN instead of just sitting there!
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Post# 44405-9/3/2004-18:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: What is the mounting screw position on it?
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Post# 44406-9/3/2004-20:39 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint set
MESSAGE: The Hotpoint set arrived late last night and I only got a quick glimpse of them this morning ... due to space constraints, they had to temporarily go to my parents' house. They are in pristine condition and the washer has the fountain filter, too. My partner and I are leaving town for a few days, so we will post pictures next week. Jason, I am ready when you are!!!!! I am also ready to take the Speed Queen washer (that I got from Robert) out of the crate and play with it, too. Pictures to come soon!!!! Todd
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Post# 44407-9/3/2004-21:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: It is down between 2 fins and it has the filter in the barrel with fabric softener dispenser. I think this was still used with the crank gear tranny b4 they switched to the orbital tranny. It has a bigger skirt than the white straight vane agitator and the loadsensor.
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Post# 44408-9/3/2004-22:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: I can't use it, unfortunately. My Dependable Care machine has a stroke comparable to a DD Kenmore so I need something with a smaller base. There's one on RepairClinic.com though.
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Post# 44409-9/3/2004-22:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint set
MESSAGE: SAY YAY!!! Can't wait for pics!
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Post# 44410-9/4/2004-04:14 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: You certainly can use the PowerFin Agitator in a Dependable Care washer. I have one in mine and the turnover is much better. And mine has the set screw like the PowerFlex 12 and the LoadSensor Agitator. I took the PowerFin out of the A613 that I bought because it bounced up and down too much during wash and replaced it with a regular PowerFin with the the stop ring. That solved the bouncing and the looseness on the shaft.
The only thing is that as good as the turnover and the increased water action I do reduce the wash time by a few minutes.
Also its nice to have 2 filters in the washer...one in the agitator barrel and the self cleaning one. The PowerFin surges more water with the shorter stroke that it pulls much more water and lint thru the filters and most if not all loads emerge lint free. That is a big plus if you line dry or if you have 2 cats that seem to drop fur everywhere they go like I have.
Mike
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Post# 44411-9/4/2004-08:11 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
WOW! What a morning!
MESSAGE: Look what the appliance gods bestowed upon me on my way home from work.
Steve1-18
LINK: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?.dir=/dca5&.src=ph
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Post# 44412-9/4/2004-08:29 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (WOW !!!!!! )
MESSAGE: That Machine is Beeeeautiful ! It looks BRAND NEW ! The Appliance gods were certainly smiling on you this morning !
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Post# 44413-9/4/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (KD12?)
MESSAGE: Wow is right, that is just beautiful Steve. It looks brand new! Is it a model KD12?
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Post# 44414-9/4/2004-09:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (A beauty!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
That's a beautiful machine, it looks brand new. The Appliance Gods were in a very good mood!!
Louis
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Post# 44415-9/4/2004-09:44 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (WOW! What a morning! )
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
What a nice find. Nice way to start the morning.
It looks brand new.
Peter
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Post# 44416-9/4/2004-10:26 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Expired Email Addresses in Your Profiles
MESSAGE: I have been trying to email the few members who wanted me to find them vintage Kenmores 800's, but my emails keep getting returned or go unanswered. Before I offer these items to the general club members, I'd like to try one more time to have those members email me. My email address in my profile is correct. Thanks!
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Post# 44417-9/4/2004-10:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning!
MESSAGE: Oh good grief!! That thing looks like it has hardly been used!!!
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Post# 44418-9/4/2004-10:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Expired Email Addresses in Your Profiles (attention JasonL!!!) )
MESSAGE: EOM.
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Post# 44419-9/4/2004-11:43 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance pick ups... (Interesting Question)
MESSAGE: That's usually what I do.Ask first,and then if they say someone else is getting them,I'll usually push a few dollars towards someone working at the store.Sometimes it works,sometimes not.
I had a deal with a local Sears store,to get their trade ins a few years ago. Take 'em for free. I would keep the best for resale,and scrap the rest. The problem was that they left them sit outside,and I would go there a couple of times a week to pick them up.Turns out someone else had the same idea,and would cherry pick the decent pieces,and leave the garbage.I explained the situation to the owner,who was simpathetic,and would chase people away if he saw them,but it wasn't very often he saw them.So I ended up getting out of that deal.
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Post# 44420-9/4/2004-12:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning!
MESSAGE: Wow Steve, that's BEAUTIFUL! It looks MINT!!
Can't believe you found that in the South! Great find!
--Austin
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Post# 44421-9/4/2004-12:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Neptune "promotional " photo------
MESSAGE: Well that's good news! I think the increased water action with the large base will be a boon with large loads.
Yes, I have cats, and the DD Kenmore's self-cleaning ring filter doesn't seem to remove ANYTHING, so maybe a straight-vane filter-agitator in the Dependable Care should work well.
Coldspot John; I'll take the agitator. Email me at
westytoploader@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 44422-9/4/2004-12:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
BD Whirlpool
MESSAGE: I stopped into Justified Appliance in Houston (repair/sales of used appliances; mainly washers & dryers), and they had a whole new inventory of DD machines, which was nothing special, but I spotted in the corner the familiar plastic recessed lid handle...and to my surprise it was a large capacity '85 Whirlpool Imperial! The cabinet had been painted, and the control panel polished, and it looked great! Even better, I opened up the tub and found a
recirculating filter, not the self-cleaning one, and the "winged" Surgilator! If I bought this machine it would be in the "full-time laundry", and I would eBay the DD Kenmore and Maytag. I've seen BD machines in action, but don't know what the cleaning ability is. What are some opinions? Also, is $130 a good deal for a refurbished machine?
I probably need to pick it up next week or else it might get sold!
--Austin
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Post# 44423-9/4/2004-14:09 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (KD12?)
MESSAGE: It's a KDC-14
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Post# 44424-9/4/2004-15:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning! (KD12?)
MESSAGE: What's the year?
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Post# 44425-9/4/2004-15:23 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: WOW! What a morning!
MESSAGE: Congratulations!!! Talk about “mint” condition… I am sooo happy for you. This model KA dw was part of my childhood. Until recently, I had the original operating manual, which was for the VariCycle, Imperial and yours the “Custom” model. If I had it today I would gladly send it to you as a gift. I have yet to understand why KA designed inconsequential differences between the 3 models. Surely the cost of slight changes couldn’t have been that much less to manufacture. Whatever. If my memory serves me right this is the cycle sequence for the “Custom”.
Recommended inlet water temp of minimum 140 degrees. 2 T detergent into small strainer located in silverware basket (obviously). Latch and switch on. Although not noted on timer knob there is a an “unusual” pre-rinse unique to the “Custom” model only. Go figure? The dw fills with approx 1 ½ gallon water, circulates briefly and then drains. The dw proceeds to repeat this several times for approximately 4 ½ minutes total. The literature explained that this was to “flush the hot water line, soften food soils and to warm the dishes, as well as, the dw.” Then proceeded to a main was approximately 8 minutes. Followed by 2 rinses then dry.
The “VariCycle and Imperial” models had a detergent dispenser like that of today’s dw (1 cup covered the other open). These dw filled pre-rinsed and/or pre-washed, followed by 3 rinses. Not repeated filling, circulating and draining B 4 main wash like that of the “Custom” model. Again, go figure?
As I write, you might have an earlier model, given that it does not have a detergent dispenser. Therefore it commences the cycle with the “main wash” (8 minutes). Until 1963 KA dw advertisements highly promoted the “Big Blue” wash arm superior abilities. Later models the wash arm color was white.
In closing here is a trick/tip I recall that you might find useful. Cycle time is approx 50 minutes. 25 minutes quicker omitting dry cycle. Given limited loading configuration. Wash pots/pan etc in a separate operation. Remove silverware basket to gain space, load cookware etc in bottom rack (place detergent directly into area beneath wash arm). You’ll be surprised at how well it washes pots. Also, when needed. This does required you monitor the dw. At the end of main wash, unlatch door add more detergemt, advance timer to repeat main wash for a “double wash”. Enjoy!! You have a real KA beauty…
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Post# 44426-9/4/2004-15:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Lidswitch Update
MESSAGE: Well, I stopped by Lowe's today (no old machines in the back, unfortunately), and of course checked out the "modern" section. When I opened up the Whirlpools and Ropers, I couldn't believe my eyes. They switched to HIDDEN LIDSWITCHES, and above all, they are not agitating with the lid up anymore (per the lid instructions on the coin-op machine)!! The coin-op was the only one I could "feel" the hidden switch on, and it's a long reach. Only the Frigidaires, lower-end Maytag Performas, and lower-end GE's are still using visible lidswitches that can be defeated with a screwdriver. TOL models, forget it. All hidden. I haven't checked the Kenmores but they are probably switching to this as well. How sad; Whirlpool and Kenmore have been known for agitating with the lid up...
I think this has given us a wake-up call to stick to vintage machines more than ever! Also, for lid-lock systems, when the lid locks, wedge a screwdriver under the (weak) lid lock to keep the switch engaged instead of just holding it down. Gives you a free hand for filming, etc.
--Austin
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Post# 44427-9/4/2004-16:14 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lidswitch Update (Defeating the hidden switches)
MESSAGE: I think that the lid switches on at least some machines can be defeated by removing the control panel, and finding the the two wires that meet at a little tiny box the connects to the lid switch, if you just tape those wires together with the ends touching on mechanical machines then they will always run open with having to worry about a pencil or a screwdriver.
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Post# 44428-9/4/2004-16:24 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lidswitch Update
MESSAGE: I think it is now mandatory for top loaders not to agitate with the lid up. It went into effect earlier this year. I know the new Frigidaire top loaders do not agitate with the lid up anymore.
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Post# 44429-9/4/2004-16:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lidswitch Update (Defeating the hidden switches)
MESSAGE: I did that with my GE Portable (connected a flattened piece of Romex wire to the two connectors) successfully, however I learned the hard way that my Maytag's (2003 Dependable Care) lidswitch wasn't made up of just two wires and couldn't be defeated, and it cost me a new lidswitch!
I hate it that coin-ops use hidden lidswitches; it's pretty safe to reach under the cover during agitaton, push the tub over, feel around and trip it, but on spin it's pretty dangerous since you're making the tub lean, not to mention the tub spinning at 525+ RPM just 2 inches away from your arm...
A good solution for rear-switch Maytags is putting a thick yardstick behind the lid; that works 99.9% of the time.
--Austin
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Post# 44430-9/4/2004-17:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: BD Whirlpool (Refurbished)
MESSAGE: Austin,you need to ask them the meaning of "refurbished".To some it means no more than a coat of wax if it works. Ask them what's been done to the machine,look it over,check the belt condition,etc.Also ask them if they'll offer a warranty of any kind.Usually I give 30 days parts and labor on my used machines.
If it's in decent shape,$130.00 is usually what I'll try to get from a similar machine.
kennyGF
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Post# 44431-9/4/2004-17:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lidswitch Update (Defeating the hidden switches)
MESSAGE: "I hate it that coin-ops use hidden lidswitches; it's pretty safe to reach under the cover during agitaton, push the tub over, feel around and trip it, but on spin it's pretty dangerous since you're making the tub lean, not to mention the tub spinning at 525+ RPM just 2 inches away from your arm... "
...which is why the switch is there to begin with.Can you say "lawsuit"?
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Post# 44432-9/4/2004-18:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Our Last Post
MESSAGE: With the thread I officially close Applianceville’s 2nd posting system. Since May 21, 2001 we have racked up almost 45,000 postings, who could have ever guessed that vintage washing machines and the like could be so popular??? I look forward to many more years of new postings in our new Discuss-O-Mat forum. While this is an end of a very exciting era, I believe this is the beginning of an even more exciting time. Hold on everyone, here we go…
Please be patient everyone, it will take me a few hours to install the new system.