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Post# 4000-8/24/2001-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: I loved the KA info and will read it again. I thought it was a very well written and mostly objective overview of the history. The model/production chart is great to have too.
There is a KA (19 or 20 series) at the thrift store that I go to all the time - but I don't need another appliance!


BTW: Still have that Westy drawer dishwasher that needs a home - it's turquoise!!


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Post# 4001-8/24/2001-18:03 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Greg, your Frigidaire harvest gold laundry pair and the restored Charcoal range are jewels. The range storage drawer panel looks nifty with those horizontal lines. The Charcoal looks like todays graphite! I had a lady tell me about her KD19 dishwasher........"I can put my breakfast dishes in and turn the unit on in the morning, and they'll be ready just in time for the evening meal"! The 19 heated the water 2 times and had a very long drawn out cycle.....with no-heat drying. It was one of the most disliked series ever offered. A lot of techs bypassed the (wire nut) the water heating thermostat to placate the consumer.

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Post# 4002-8/24/2001-18:24 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Glenn oh Glenn, my you were photogenic! You mug shows up all over the place.....closeups too! Yes the Kitchenaid history is interesting. Greg,(GANSKY) it was written by a gentleman who has since retired. The KD22 series really did'nt have much of a change....just a minor face-lift and quality improvements: Cost reduced console endcaps....notice yours are chrome plated injection molded plastic....where the KD21 had die-cast with chrome plating. The upper dishrack was changed to permit more racking/loading height at the front. The KD22 had sound insulation upgrade and some minor wash pump modifications to further improve washability. The KD23 series units have the Whirlpool power clean / ultra wash totally self cleaning filter system...that was quite a switch at the time. I think I might have some documentation on the variable speed belt-drive washer.....from around the mid-60's. Seems like "solid-state" was the rage then.....like Frigidaire WXP variable speed washer. Anyway, I'll dig around for it. Did you know that Kenmore had an 8 cu.ft. dryer in the later 60's. The cabinet was taller to accomodate the drum. As far as test products, there is a market research firm that finds households to participate in home use testing. Years ago, I helped manage the refrigerator test placements in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties in south Florida. That was a fun project....everyone always liked getting something new to use for a year for free. Most of the plastic liner product designs and Kitchenaid built-in refrigerators sold today were field tested there. Have a great weekend. Seems to me about this time lot of wash was being done.

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Post# 4003-8/24/2001-20:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: I would love to have a lawn service except I have one of those four legged furry creatures that likes to dig holes in the back yard so no service would touch this place

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Post# 4004-8/24/2001-20:20 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: I was wondering if you know how well the HE3t cleans vs the Calypso. I suppose I would not mind spending the money if it worked better than the Calypso but I highly doubt any other washer could beat the Calypso. Maybe in water extraction, but not in cleaning.


Jason

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Post# 4005-8/24/2001-23:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Sweet potatoes anyone?
MESSAGE: Read this link. Down the bottom is something I would never drea of doing.
LINK: http://www.appliancemagazine.com/mm/wt/html/confortec_china_99_p3.html

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Post# 4006-8/24/2001-23:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Cucumbers)
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure about sweet potatoes, but when my mother and grandmother used to can pickles, they sometimes washed the cucumbers in the washer, with a few towels thrown in to soften the impact.

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Post# 4007-8/24/2001-23:55 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: I've heard of people putting salad greens in a clean pillowcase and taking it for a spin rinse in the washer.

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Post# 4008-8/24/2001-00:02 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Goodness they can get a salad spinner for $2 next time they are at go lo.



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Post# 4009-8/25/2001-04:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New Pictures
MESSAGE: I re-arranged the pictures. Hope you enjoy!

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Wash-In+2001&.view=t

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Post# 4010-8/25/2001-04:54 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis to Augusta
MESSAGE: More Pictures
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Minn+to+Augusta+Trip&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f.dir=/Minn%2bto%2bAugusta%2bTrip%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4011-8/25/2001-05:13 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis Tour
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures from Monday
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Minneapolis+Tour&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Minneapolis%2bTour%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4012-8/25/2001-05:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (Thoughts n Memories)
MESSAGE: I`m sure that goes for us all Tom, Perfect Words....

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4013-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: More convention photos (Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Thanks for the pics, great time had by all....

Off to give the schnitzels the morning walk!!!!

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4014-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Seeing the sights in Augusta
MESSAGE: And the Augusta sights, too
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Louis+in+Augusta&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Louis%2bin%2bAugusta%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4015-8/25/2001-05:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Glad you got back okay and I`m sure Louis will fill us in with the vacation details.....

My bet is if you HAD found another "Holy Grail" you would have made room somewhere Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4016-8/25/2001-10:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Unauthorized Modifications)
MESSAGE: Unauthorized Modifications: I'm afraid I will have to notify GM Frigidaire of your additions of optional equipment, which of course, will void the balance of your factory warranty.

Too funny Steve - you guys are having a great time!

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Post# 4017-8/25/2001-10:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Years ago, a lady I work with told about her husband washing golf balls in her KM washer with rags and old towels. Worked quite well.

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Post# 4018-8/25/2001-13:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Pictures
MESSAGE: The pix turned out excellent! Glad to see everyone had a good time. Maybe i'll make it next year. I spent the weekend getting rid of that damn computer virus and buying another keyboard to replace the one I thru out the window.


SD

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Post# 4019-8/25/2001-13:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Hi all, I was doing laundry Friday night like I so often do and it really hit me how much more fun it was doing it together last Friday night. I don't have a collection of machines but sure to have a passion and love for them. I agree that the convention has really had an effect on me. I feel so blessed to have all of you in my life. Terry

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Post# 4020-8/25/2001-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Terry, I feel the same way. I miss everyone so much already, I wish we could do it sooner, but hopefully in a year we'll all be back together again. Give the Westys a hug for me.

Bob

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Post# 4021-8/25/2001-22:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: Why not have the calypso AND the HE3t? I mean you are a washer lover, and I am sure you have enough love to share.

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Post# 4022-8/25/2001-22:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POTD?
MESSAGE: What is the box on top of the Hotpoint range? I would guess some sort of range top oven or maybe a bun warmer?

We used to have one that looked like a ball that went on a burner. You could put a tiny bit of water below the perforated liner to rehydrate and warm at the same time.

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Post# 4023-8/25/2001-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Went to a few sales today and got a couple of interesting things, but not appliance related except for a commercial back-pack vacuum. I used to have one like it when I first started the biz and glad to have another in such mint condition. Did see an old Hamilton dryer, run of the mill model with the small window that was paired with a 70's GE washer of no interest.

It was fun to be back on the sale trails with Skyler and my friend Michael (who was horrified to learn this last week that the Goodwill donation center throws away the bowling balls!) but I missed all of you and "swamping" the sales with people!

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Post# 4024-8/25/2001-23:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: A day in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Alas, all things must come to a close. This has been a washerriffic week for me. Today, we took Louis to Atlanta; his final stop before the flight back to his home.

We stopped at the Sear's Outlet in Stone Mountain. There were tons of Calipsoes and Catalists and even a 'Hettie' dryer! Then on to the St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop.

Finally made it to George's (GEODON) place for a cook out. Peter took a few hours off from the 'mat' and joined us. I adjusted George's Kenmore FL to tumble during the fill and increased the water level for superior rinsing! Took a few pictures of the group. After lunch, we watched the I Love Lucy episode with the washing machine that goes off the porch.

Then we took Louis up to the Old Town Laundry. We said our farewells and my eyes welled up with Chlorox tears. We had such a GREAT TIME!

Oh well, there will be other adventures.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/Atlanta+weekend+(Aug+2001)&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4025-8/25/2001-00:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: While I love vintage machines, I am looking for a 'work-horse' everyday washer with a large tub capacity. Im looking at the Maytag Atlantis 8600 with the stainless tub, but I heard the gearcase contains plastic gears. I was also looking at the Amana because of its 210 arc agitation stroke which is impressive. Anybody have any suggestions for selection?

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Post# 4026-8/25/2001-00:53 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Fisher & Paykel advice request
MESSAGE: Iv'e also looked into the Fisher & Paykels. Its agitation stroke (smart-drive) looks even longer than the Amanas 210 stroke and it also appears to move variably each time. Is this a good unit to consider? I would have to travel to get one as no F&P dealers anywhere nearby. Are these worth the effort?

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Post# 4027-8/26/2001-10:03 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Atlantis would be my pick. The jury is still out on amana. The f&p wouldnt be a bad choice either except availbilty in your area and service in your area.


SD

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Post# 4028-8/26/2001-10:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, what about a front loader too? Either the Neptune 7500 or Sears is gonna have a year-free-trial on their new HE3t front loader. Those of us in the club at the convention last week got to see one in set in person and gave it a pretty good going over. Miss Jetcone has already taken delivery of her set and really likes it. Jetcone, in Boston, has ordered a set after seeing it. He's a difficult one to impress too. This offer is supposed to start after Labor Day weekend, I believe.

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Post# 4029-8/26/2001-13:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Updated website
MESSAGE: I updated my website and added a lot of garbage to it. Remember that this is were you will see any new additions to the collection and photos of new projects. Due to limited space not all of the pictures will be there all of the time and the ones that get removed may or may not get put back. It all depends on the mood I am in.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/

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Post# 4030-8/26/2001-15:13 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (front loader recommendation)
MESSAGE: Appnut:
Thanks for the advice on the HE3t. I accidentally stumbled upon these f/l's quite by accident while checking out the sears.com website on washers one day. Im afraid that the $1,400+ price tag is a bit out of my budget. I am looking for a top loader since I already own a Maytag Neptune 5500. While the Neptune cleans outstandingly and uses very little H20, Im dissapointed with it being kind of boring! No window, very little sound and what seems to me to be a lot of 'pause' time between rotations. I didnt think that I would miss having a window on the machine but I find it really disconnects the user from the visual aspects such as water levels and suds levels. Thanks for your advice on the HE3t. I will keep a close eye on them and if they become popular and acceptable, Ill buy one regardless of cost! Thanks Again

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Post# 4031-8/26/2001-16:14 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Hello everyone! I finally got to post my appliance pics here in the club. I know that a few pics are on its side but I ajm still learning how to post them so bear with moi.
Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/nmaineman36

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Post# 4032-8/26/2001-16:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (how did you do that?)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Thanks for sharing the pictures at George's house. (Love your home, George!) I bet you guys had a blast!

What did you do to get George's washer to fill more and tumble during fill? Mine tumbles during fill on the "heavy wash" setting, but the other settings have a stationary fill. Did you increase the wash level on every fill or just the rinses? Is the water still below the door level if you stop the machine?

Rich

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Post# 4033-8/26/2001-16:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (my 2-cents worth)
MESSAGE: Hello Lenny

I'd go with the F&P if you want a top-loader. It is much more energy efficient than the other two....has a 1000 rpm spin...the only top loader that can accomplish that. I'd consider some of the excellent large-capacity front loaders on the market now too.

Rich

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Post# 4034-8/26/2001-20:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Rich,

The water level sensor is located under the lid of the washer. To remove the lid, remove the 4 screws in the back of the unit. The cover slides forward about 3/4 of an inch and it will pop off. The sensor is mounted on a support beam going from left to right. There are 2 adjusting screws. One is center and one is off center. They both have paint on them. Turning the center screw clockwise 180 degrees will bring the water just up to the edge of the door.

To bypass the neutral fill (washes and rinses) you have to jump 2 of the wires on the fill sensor. You may hav to experiment on which 2 wires. (I caution you, if you jump the wrong 2 wires, the water will not stop filling.) Essentially, by jumping the wires, you are fooling the machine into thinking that the the water level has been reached and that tumbling can begin. If you decide to try this, there were 3 wires going to the water level sensor. One has a plastic shield. The other two don't. Start by jumping the 2 without shields. That is what I did on mine and George's machines.

There is one trade off. The timer also operates during the fill sequenses, which will slightly shorten the washes and rinses. Providing you have good water pressure, it shouldn't affect the quality of the performance.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4035-8/26/2001-20:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Hello all - I am 3/4 done with the conversion. (what a big mess) But anyway it's all worth it. I had a ice maker installed in my side by side GE refrigator thats 2 1/2 years old. I bought a new Kenmore tall tub dishwasher in plastic and I realy like it. Now I don't know what to do with my portable Whirlpool dishwasher. (is anyone interested in it?) It's about 8 years old & top line model & good condition. I also bough a new Kenmore gas stove with 2 power burners & warming drawer. Also I got the GE Advantium 120 above the stove microwave. It cooks out of this world. And of cource I still have my Equator combo washer / dryer.
I am so happy you guys all enjoyed the convention. I enjoy looking at all the pictures. I hope to for sure come to the next convention. Hopefully I will get a new computer in the next few months & I could start posting my own pics.
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Post# 4036-8/26/2001-20:30 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: AEG washer
MESSAGE: A friend of mine just got a Miele washer to replace her Whirlpool washer. She called me tonight and said her neighbor also bought one (a Miele). Her neighbor wanted to know if I was interested in her old washer, a 13 year old AEG. She said the only problem she has with it is the drain pump has stopped.

Will pick it up this week.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4037-8/26/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Good to hear from you Mike and great pictures! I may have to take my power fin over to my friend's DC machine and give it a go - as if they don't think I'm crazy enough! Very interesting...

Greg

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Post# 4038-8/26/2001-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Ooooooh - keep us posted, that will be fun to play with!



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Post# 4039-8/26/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I MISS THE 1140 RPM!!!!
MESSAGE: Tonight, a portion of the load I did tonight (2 pair slacks & 4 polo shirts) were part of what I had done in the WCI58 last weekend. Even on normal spin at 640 rpm, it was paltry results at best. UNIMATICS RULE!!!!, it's just nice to have it reinforced, especially ones with a cold rinse capability. Everything seems so wet in comparison to last week. Sure am glad I didn't check the same load in the 58 WP combo before it started to dry. I'd have probably been able to wring water out for sure.

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Post# 4040-8/26/2001-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for finally having some pics for us. Nice to have you about again. No need to apologize for the pics on their sides, I mean, your just beside yourself with your new love. So, it's understandable

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Post# 4041-8/26/2001-22:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: This is Friday night and through the estate sales on Saturday afternoon.  Since I have so much material, I didn't post to the Yahoo album for fear of there not being enough space.  Even so, one always wishes one had taken MORE pictures.

Saturday night and Sunday and Monday are coming soon.

If I got anybody's name wrong, I apologize -- let me know and I'll make the correction.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/fridaynight.htm

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Post# 4042-8/26/2001-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks Glen. Everyone's pics of Friday night has helped me piece together what I missed. I still wanna come back to Uni's basement, it was like a womb.

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Post# 4043-8/26/2001-23:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Wonderful pics!  I really like the 1-18, wish I had a place for one -- maybe Steve1-18 will donate one of his and FORCE me to make room, LOL.

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Post# 4044-8/26/2001-00:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Pictures
MESSAGE: I have posted some pictures of the convention weekend, and also, I visited my former roommate for dinner last night so I took some pictures of my former appliances and etc.

Everyone has done a great job with their pictures and they are all so wonderful to see. I had so much fun last weekend and miss everyone so much, it's great to have all these wonderful reminders until we meet again!

Please try and remember as you post convention pictures to place a link the links section as well. I have been trying to keep an eye on it and posting them as I think of it.

Everyone have a great week! Next weekend I'll be visiting vacuum friends in Arizona so who knows what might turn up in our adventures, leading to even more pictures! Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/conventionscott

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Post# 4045-8/26/2001-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Great job Mike, it's always fun to see everyone's "stuff"! Where did the GE dryer come from? Did not realize you had that; thought you only had a Maytag. Scott

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Post# 4046-8/26/2001-00:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Wow! Great job on this page o' pics and links!

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Post# 4047-8/26/2001-00:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sears Frontloader
MESSAGE: I took my neighbor to Ridgedale today to do some shopping, so I had my chance to see the new HE3T pair. It was on display in black and looks very impressive. I like the nice big windows, the controls and the convenient height when standing on their pedestals. Looking forward to seeing them operate!

Maine Mike, I notice you have the "Magic Blue" vacuum. I checked this out as well; it is very cool! A few out of town friends have them and like them very well, but this was my first in person experience with them.

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Post# 4048-8/27/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Please understand that this is not personal, but after the 19, it seems that KA sort of got really stupid with the water heating. I called the cool line with both my 21 and 22 electronic machines. It seemed so stupid to fill a machine, heat the water and then spray it over cold dishes. At least in the 22 you could opt out of water heating. I guess they wanted to save a timer increment that would run the pump while filling to use any heat that might have been in the water to heat the load and the tank and, incidentally, wet down the dishes so soil could be soaking before shutting down circulation to heat the water. At least the water heating in the new machines is done while circulating. Tom

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Post# 4049-8/27/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (washing vegetables in a washer)
MESSAGE: Dear Kanga (that's shorter than Arrrooohhh), that story is not as far off the mark as you might think. Decades ago, in Marietta, Georgia, in the United States (although there are those who would argue that point) there was a legendary restaurant called Mammy's Shanty that was famous for Southern Cuisine. They served large amounts of a staple of many Southern diets: "greens." Whether turnip, collard, mustard or even spinach, "greens" are leafy vegetables that contain large amounts of soil and sand. The restaurant had a front loading washer modified so as not to clog in which they washed the aforementioned "greens" because it was the only way they were able to process them in sufficient quantities for the demand. Probably everyone here remembers the cup of sand that was added to WH Laundromats to test sand disposal and how well they persormed at the task. Taking a page from their playbook, I washed spinach that way for a friend's party here back in the 70s. I ran their Kenmore through a rinse with chlorine bleach and then threw the huge amount of spinach in with cold water and gentle agitation. Gravity drain and a perforated basket got rid of the sand. The spin removed the water so that the salad was perfect. Of course, they pretended shock as only Southern Gay men can and everyone at the party was told what I did, but it did not stop anyone from eating the salad. Tom

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Post# 4050-8/27/2001-06:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Tom and Bob from Appling?)
MESSAGE: Steve, is that Tom who is Cliff's brother and his partner Bob? I have never seen them before although I have heard about them for almost 30 years. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4051-8/27/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD? (West Bend bun warmer)
MESSAGE: Greg, your round thing was a bun warmer. A girl I knew was getting married and a woman said that she was giving her a bun warmer. I kinda shut her up and left her with a puzzled look on her face when I said I thought she was marrying one. The thing on top of the range was a defrosting oven from those long ago days before microwave ovens. TT

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Post# 4052-8/27/2001-06:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, watch the Amana and try to figure out how they come up with a 210 degree agitation arc, then clue the rest of us in. The best we can figure, it has to start from some point not visible to the naked eye. Tom

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Post# 4053-8/27/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jason, did Susan's kitchen originally have a no-bottom-oven Americana? Like the site. TT

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Post# 4054-8/27/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for the pics. Know you are enjoying the power fin in the Maytag. Tom

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Post# 4055-8/27/2001-07:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Congrats Peter. Glad you are beginning to enjoy your new kitchen. I am sure the mess will be worth it. Tom

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Post# 4056-8/27/2001-07:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Steve, I am willing to bet that you are going to have fun with this machine. Even if you find, like I do, that the rinsing is marginal, they do wash very well and you can always throw things in a good old TL for a rinse, then put them back in the AEG for a fast spin. I am happy for you. Keep us posted. Tom

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Post# 4057-8/27/2001-07:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn for the great pics. I am sure that we are all glad that we do not live, have to live, or ever lived in some of those estate sale houses. Tom

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Post# 4058-8/27/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott for the great pics. Tom

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Post# 4059-8/27/2001-07:35 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: That was a flaming O'keefe & Merritt. Well it was flaming after lightning hit it.

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Post# 4060-8/27/2001-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Saturday update Greg, I had in friend in from Los Angeles, so no saleing this weekend, and next weekend Neal and I are off to Duluth. No rest for the weary!

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Post# 4061-8/27/2001-09:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Tom, I've never understood all that water heating 'madness' either. Loved your description/summary of Unimatics basement......as a 'fully dressed stage' etc. You really painted a very clear picture. Very thought provoking! You've got a great way with words.....Regards....Leslie

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Post# 4062-8/27/2001-09:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: WOW, Glenn, these are great, thanks, I know how much work putting these together are!

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Post# 4063-8/27/2001-10:48 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: thanks to steve and rhinnie, peter, and louis for coming to my home...it was indeed a memorable day...
yes, steve performed his magic on my frigmore...
we did a play load of 8 pairs of jeans (size 34), and there was water to spare...yay!!!...
the washer is so much more entertaining to watch, now that it sloshes like a westy...
i may have to take in laundry from the neighbors...
geodon


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Post# 4064-8/27/2001-11:00 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: rich...
i highly recommend the alterations...
this is the first time i have really been pleased with the washer performance...
i can now use the normal and short wash with an active fill, as opposed to the neutral, and often unreliable, fill...
water comes just to the bottom of the glass in the wash and all the rinses...
until steve mentioned it, i would not have known the cycle phases have been shortened...
geodon



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Post# 4065-8/27/2001-11:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Sounds like fun George. You go guy!!!!

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Post# 4066-8/27/2001-11:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: George, I wish Steve had taken pics of your kitchen. Yeah, I knnow they're modern appliances, but your house is gorgeous. I'm always, as usual, curious to see what people have in their kitchen. Bob

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Post# 4067-8/27/2001-11:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Which then brings me to a question....are AEGs sold in certain parts of the US? To my knowledge we do not have them in Minnesota.

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Post# 4068-8/27/2001-11:42 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: appnut...
thanks for the compliment...
it's a typical white kitchen, with a jenn-air gas cooktop (not downdraft), a jenn-air built-in electric oven with microwave on top, a jenn-air dishwasher, and a frigidaire side-by-side refrigerator...
nothing "classic", but it works for me...
geodon

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Post# 4069-8/27/2001-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Home again
MESSAGE: Hi all,

I'm finally home again after almost an 18 hours travel (hope this time my home trip was really the longest, Bob). I had a wonderful time at the convention and I was so great meeting you all. After that I really had a great time with Steve and Rhinnie (I bet you've seen the pictures), who took me for a trip through the US. I have seen 8 states (thought it were 9, darn) and a lot of washers and dryers. At this moment my Miele is doing it's best on my heap of laundry. I still have to get the pictures devellopped, hope to post them soon. Peter was so nice to host me on my last night in the US and he brought me to the airport too.

Now I have to catch up on reading about 400 posts....

YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4070-8/27/2001-12:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we are very happy that you have made it home safely after what we hope was a very Royal first state visit to America. It was wonderful to meet you in person and we only regret is that we were unable to accompany you for a longer period. We had a wonderful time of course last weekend and look forward to seeing you again! Drop you a line soon.

QEOM

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Post# 4071-8/27/2001-12:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, Glad you have visible water movement in your washer now. You were very wise to pair it with that nice KM dryer, a good, rugged performer. You have a beautiful house. It's good to have you contributing to the club again. Tom

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Post# 4072-8/27/2001-12:41 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Stevie! I might try playing around with mine one of these days. (The washer, that is! Ha!)

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Post# 4073-8/27/2001-12:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Louis, so glad you had a good trip. It was great to have the opportunity to meet you and for you to meet all the washers as well as the conventioneers. After people ask where I went and why, they generally don't ask many more questions and usually bring things to a close with something like, "well, isn't that something" while probably thinking "Why the hell did I ask?" Tom

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Post# 4074-8/27/2001-12:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Comments on all components performances please. Bob

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Post# 4075-8/27/2001-12:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Louis, it does rival the time for my trip to Minnie. However, considering what time I woke up that morning, it totaled out to be 22 hours. Can you top that!? HA!!! Yes, it was thrilling to finally meet you in person. Again, with my much truncated visit, I didn't get to visit with everyone I wanted to. Oh well, better luck next convention. Bob

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Post# 4076-8/27/2001-13:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Fun website, Jason (you wise ass!)... LOL

-ph

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Post# 4077-8/27/2001-13:18 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Frigmore vs HE3T
MESSAGE: Hi Rich and Steve.
Are you going to trade your Frigmore set for the Kenmore HE3T set with the 1200rpm spin speed?
I am very impressed by the HE3T set...They seem like solid built machines.
Rob


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Post# 4078-8/27/2001-13:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (Reply F & P)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice, I think the F&P is quite neet looking and I love the looks of their 'Dish-drawer' dishwashers.

Lenny

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Post# 4079-8/27/2001-13:26 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny... Welcome!

If the Amana and the SQ were the same machine, I'd recommend it, but since the copmanies have parted ways and the designs are slightly different, I have my reservations about Amana. The Maytag would be a good choice, I think.

-ph

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Post# 4080-8/27/2001-13:27 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Looks like you have a recommendation to offer?

Hehehehe...

-ph

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Post# 4081-8/27/2001-13:28 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Great site, Glen! Thanks for all the video clips!

-ph

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Post# 4082-8/27/2001-13:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Bob,

While George will be quite humble about his home, I can tell you it is quite the showcase, appliances not withstanding... I could only dream of having a home with furnishings that nice!

-ph

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Post# 4083-8/27/2001-13:32 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (210 degree arc)
MESSAGE: Tom:
I have had Speed Queen washers and Amana washers in the past and they all claim an "Arc-Q-Matic" 210 degree agitation stroke. It always appeared to me that the stroke length was SLIGHTLY more than 1/2 a turn (180 degrees). I just assumed that the additional 30 degrees is very marginal and that it isnt very observable to the naked eye. I do see your skepticism though because Amana doese'nt seem to give the full 210 stroke they boast. They claim it is engineered to give the 'longest stroke in the industry'...are they just 'stroking' the consumer? LoLoL
Lenny

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Post# 4084-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison
MESSAGE: A big thanks to Leslie (Magic Clean) everyone for sending me these interesting news articles. Here are the first three, I will post the long one in its own post...

Yello to rent appliances to customers.
08/20/2001
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
P18
(C) Copyright 2001.
German electricity utility Yello AG and household appliances manufacturer Bauknecht Hausgeraete GmbH are piloting a scheme to rent fridges, dishwashers and washing machines etc to customers in Berlin. At a cost of DM 36 per appliance per month the client receives an "all inclusive package" which includes delivery, installation, removal of the old machine and servicing by Bauknecht. The rent will be paid to Yello where possible as part of the electricity bill.


Maytag To Add 200 Workers For Washer , Dryer Ops
08/20/2001
Dow Jones International News
(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
NEWTON, Iowa (AP)-- Maytag Corp. is adding 200 production workers to keep up with demand for its high-end washers and dryers, the company announced Monday.
The new employees will start Sept. 10, said William L. Beer, president of Maytag 's major appliance division.
An $11 million expansion of Maytag 's laundry products line in Newton, Iowa, is expected to be completed by next month.
"Despite the decline in industrywide sales of washers and dryers, consumer demand has been strong for our most innovative laundry products, especially Maytag Neptune and Atlantis models that provide specific consumer benefits and are distinct in appearance," Beer said in a statement.
Currently Maytag employs about 3,500 people in Newton. About 2,245 of those are production employees.
Maytag 's Amana Refrigeration Products Plant added 250 employees in July and is looking to hire about 100 more due to strong demand for the new Easy Reach Plus, a bottom freezer/ refrigerator , and a new line of side-by-side refrigerators, company officials said.
The Amana factory has 2,140 production employees.


GE TO BUY MORE FROM CHINA .
By CHEN WEIHUA, China Daily staff.
08/18/2001
China Daily
(Copyright 2001 by China Daily)
SHANGHAI: General Electric ( GE ) Appliances, one of the 11 divisions of global business giant General Electric , plans to double its purchases in China over the coming two years, Jim Campbell, president and CEO of GE Appliances, said here yesterday. Campbell would not disclose the exact volume, but said it is a very big amount and will account for one-third of its total purchases worldwide this year. "This is good news for Chinese suppliers and for their employees. But it is also good news for GE Appliances," said Campbell, who came to the city for the first time to attend a GE China suppliers conference. According to Campbell, GE Appliances operates in a fiercely competitive market place. Typically, GE must generate up to US$250 million every year in new productivity to overcome seemingly continual price erosion in the market place. "Chinese suppliers provide GE an opportunity to remain competitive through high quality and low cost, while GE can provide Chinese suppliers access to the world markets, technology exchange and best practice, such as our legendary focus on Six Sigma quality," Campbell said. GE Appliances intends to expand its purchasing activities in China for major appliance components and finished goods, as it sees China as an important sourcing base for these products that will only grow in importance for the future, according to Campbell. He said GE will pre-qualify several hundred Chinese companies as potential suppliers to GE at the suppliers conference. "We are focused on our accelerated China supplier initiative and we have reorganized our business to devote more people and resources to purchasing from China than ever before. "The expanded purchasing activity here is a win-win for GE , for the Chinese companies and for the Chinese people," Campbell said. (Copyright 2001 by China Daily).


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Post# 4085-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Thanks again to Leslie for this news article...

Whirlpool aims to cut costs 50% annually.(company reorganizes its purchasing group)
TOM STUNDZA

08/09/2001
Purchasing
Page 17
Copyright 2001 Gale Group Inc. All rights reserved. COPYRIGHT 2001 Cahners Business Information

Supply management revamp holds the key as the appliance maker strives to rid manufacturing of $250 million annually in costs.

Purchasing and supply management are keys to the Whirlpool Corp .'s strategic gamble that it can remain profitable while it restructures, reduces costs and expands manufacturing operations worldwide in the face of a global economic slowdown. Already recognized as one of the world's best cost-management organizations, the purchasing group at Whirlpool is reorganizing to deliver best-value materials to regional assembly plants.

That will be done, says Roy V. Armes, corporate vice president for global procurement, "by optimizing the supply base" for the world's largest major appliance company. That means finding the best possible suppliers globally.

"It means we will find the best providers from the various choices available to handle competitive cost and best quality and delivery orders," he says. "While this introduces a higher level of competitive tension into the process, it also helps our existing suppliers achieve even higher levels of performance," Armes says. This "competitive partnership" means that complacency will have no place among the suppliers who provide Whirlpool with some $7 billion/year in production materials, components, parts, non-assembly services, finished products and maintenance, repair and operations (MRO) products.

Business investment pundit Rex Moore wrote recently on The Motley Fool's Web site that, "Whirlpool is still the undisputed market leader, and its dominance appears to be increasing." That's because while other U.S. appliance makers have been warning Wall Street that they won't meet this year's earnings estimates, Whirlpool has been announcing it will beat them.

David R. Whitwam, chairman and chief executive officer, has told shareholders that "revamped component production and assembly systems, overall improvements in productivity and a record number of innovative new-product introductions are generating strong global performance in 2001." He adds, our procurement organization is playing a big role as it is leveraging our supply base on materials and components, helping reduce our design costs and migrating innovation around the world."

Whirlpool has been into global buying for several years, but now "the purchasing footprint is expanding," according to Armes. He explains that the latest organizational restructuring is meant to integrate design and product development, procurement and manufacturing into a low-cost, high-productivity organization embracing production plants in North America, South America, Europe and Asia . The appliance maker's top management wants to expand production and sales dramatically outside its home-market region. Whirlpool may be chalking up share-of-market gains in such emerging economies as India and Brazil , but North America still accounts for 60% of its business. And, here at home, it is locked in a profit-squeezing price war with GE Appliances, Maytag Corp. and Electrolux Home Products.

Although Whirlpool retains its 85-year partnership with Sears, Roebuck & Co. to supply the retailer with appliances sold under the Kenmore brand, such discounters as Home Depot and Wal-Mart are elbowing into the home market by adding big-ticket appliances to their stores but not carrying Whirlpool products. So, the 90-year-old Michigan-based firm is accelerating its transformation into a global manufacturing and marketing enterprise.

While designers and marketers seek the new products that will tickle the fancies of consumers worldwide, manufacturing is developing systems to make these products better and cheaper and purchasing is honing its global materials supply skills. The company has reduced costs by 17% since 1998 and is working to reduce them by 3-5%/yr in 2001 and 2002 through productivity gains and waste elimination in technology manufacturing and purchasing operations.

"Our systems and global processes have been established to speed product development and to make purchasing as efficient and cost-effective as possible," says CEO Whitwam.

"In a nutshell, global procurement is charged with developing and managing a supply base that generates a competitive advantage for Whirlpool in every region of the world," says Armes. To meet that challenge, the supply management organization has created a global supplier development strategy that:

* Encourages global suppliers to support Whirlpool manufacturing sites in as many regions as possible,

* Involves strategic suppliers in early product design activities,

* Ensures the supply base can reduce or eliminate imported components as product platforms migrate globally, and

* Leverages existing supplier relationships to deliver competitive advantage globally.

"Simply stated, Whirlpool wants to partner with a supply base that can meet high expectations, and our expectations are high indeed," says Armes. "From delivering competitive advantage in cost and quality, to 100% product availability, to leading technology and innovation, the Whirlpool suppliers we want to keep are those who must help us deliver to our customers the highest-value appliances in the industry."

Armes has been the corporate procurement czar since 1998, reporting directly to Michael Thieneman, executive vice president and chief technology officer, who reports to Jeff Fettig, president and chief operating officer. Since he came to Whirlpool's procurement operations, Armes has developed and begun implementing a strategic sourcing agenda that:

* Continuously improves cost-effective internal supply management systems.

* Searches the world for the best--that is, world-class--suppliers of commodities, components and services. ("The company recognizes that the supply base isn't static--it's constantly evolving," Armes says. "There is room for new participants.")

* Develops a manageable number of suppliers (the total is already down 50% from four years ago).

* Implements supplier continuous improvement systems, upgrades supply performance, and replaces suppliers that still don't perform to expectations after counseling.

* Involves suppliers in the company's Operation Excellence program (OPEx), a Six Sigma-styled program, where buyers--and then suppliers--are trained on the best ways to reduce costs and improve quality of purchased materials.

* Operates cross-functional (procurement, manufacturing, technology and marketing) teams running value engineering and value analysis programs to improve existing materials and prepare for new materials of the future.

* Works with top-tier suppliers to develop innovative supply chain technologies.

* Puts top-tier suppliers in the lead when implementing cost and cycle time reductions and quality improvements.

"Bottom line, we want to take advantage of the best-in-class capabilities of the supply base worldwide," Armes says. His efforts appear to be working for the 450-500 member purchasing organization. Procurement costs are down, materials quality is up and the organization has garnered kudos in recent top management messages to shareholders. Atop that, the purchasing group was rated as one of the ten best in North America at managing its supply base in The Purchasing Machine, a new book on contemporary purchasing issues and trends co-authored by Dave Nelson, the top purchasing executive at Deere & Co. The book notes that "in an incredibly tough global market, Whirlpool continues to aggressively leverage purchasing and cost management skills."

Appliance industry is competitive

Appliance manufacturing is, indeed, a pressure-cooker environment. Whirlpool and the other major appliance makers operate in a 230 million-unit, $80 billion annual sales market where customers constantly demand new and improved products that cost the same or less than previous models.

Whirlpool is the world's largest manufacturer and marketer of major appliances with sales totaling $10.3 billion last year. Headquartered in Benton Harbor, Mich., since 1911, Whirlpool now manufactures in 13 countries and markets products under 11 major brand names in more than 170 countries. Whirlpool's principal products are home laundry appliances, home refrigerators and freezers, home cooking appliances, home dishwashers, microwave ovens, room air-conditioning equipment, mixers and other small household appliances. The company also produces hermetic compressors and plastic components, primarily for the home appliance and electronics industries.

Whirlpool gets the bulk of its appliance sales ($6.2 billion in 2000) from North America, which it defines as the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and northern South America. Another $1.7 billion in sales comes from southern South America, plus $2.4 billion more from Europe , Middle East, Africa and Asia Pacific.

However, major appliance manufacturing is a price competitive and slim-margin business. It is an industry where high-value products must be marketed at affordable, yet profitable, prices. So, price competition is intense even in the best of times--and these are not the best of times. The year-to-date average sales price for household stoves and cooking equipment is only 0.2% higher than the average price a decade ago, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And that's despite advanced features these appliances now possess. Household refrigerators and freezers are 9.4% cheaper and household laundry equipment prices are 9.9% lower. The government statistics gathering and analysis agency says that all household appliances are priced just 0.2% higher than a decade ago.

"One of the biggest issues in the industry is the intense competitiveness," says Armes. "Prices of appliances have remained the same even after inflation, giving the consumer a greater value for the purchase." The appliance companies, he adds, have to provide the consumer this value through greatly increased efficiencies, improved quality, and cost reductions.

Raw materials buy is huge

Direct materials quality and cost at the start of the manufacturing chain is just as important to the bottom line as efficient product assembly at the end, says Thomas M. Egan, corporate vice president of global commodity management and North American procurement. That's why Whirlpool's global purchasing and supply organization considers sourcing a "competitive partnership" with its suppliers. Nobody ever really gets complacent about supplier performance, he explains. "Partnerships are aligned with the business objectives of making high quality appliances that are affordable and profitable," Egan says.

And Whirlpool spends a lot on manufacturing materials. Its biggest buys worldwide are steel ($563-$576 million annually), followed by plastic resins and parts ($475-$495 million), motors and pumps (more than $415 million), fabricated steel components ($280-$290 million) and electrical and electronic components ($225-$240 million). Other important materials include compressors, subassembly wiring harnesses, electronics, paints and powders, porcelain, plastic foams and packaging.

That's why the company "is always looking to find or develop world-class suppliers" capable of meeting today's needs even more competitively while preparing for the quality, cost and delivery requirements of tomorrow, according to Egan. Interestingly, the reorganization is "providing us with a nice supplier-integration opportunity that is opening all kinds of doors on better suppliers, better prices and new technologies," he adds.

"You won't find a more competitive industry than appliances," agrees Armes. "Success requires a greater number of new products than ever before to stay out of the commodity products business."

This is no easy job, he admits, but it can be done--and there are about 1,250 suppliers involved in the two largest regions. That's about 50% fewer than just four years ago. "Supplier reduction had to occur in order to leverage our volume, improve procurement efficiences and reduce our overall costs," says Armes. "Based on our benchmarks, we felt our materials costs were too high and were not being adequately leveraged with our existing supply base."

As with most high-volume purchasing organizations, 20-25% of the global supply base today provides Whirlpool with 60-80% of production materials. In North America, 25% of the region's 675 suppliers meet 75% of its needs.

Suppliers are involved

About 3-4% of Whirlpool's key suppliers (those that account for 60-65% of the dollar spend) have become involved in the company's customized Six Sigma methodology, known as Operational Excellence (OPEX), which strives to have participants consistently improving quality levels, lowering costs and shortening cycle times. OPEX has already generated more than $175 million in global manufacturing savings during the last three years and now is being expanded to include global procurement.

Armes says--"OPEX has been driven primarily by manufacturing but it has also been adopted by purchasing...so that all disciplines--technology, procurement and manufacturing--are on the same quality page." The program requires four weeks of classroom work and four months of training before buyers and chosen suppliers put the system into play on any supply project. "We want to make sure that we're all speaking the same language and using the same tools to collectively optimize the benefits across the entire chain."

Key suppliers are also becoming more involved in the company's cross-functional teams that are taking a value engineering approach toward quality and productivity enhancement--the firm's ongoing total-cost productivity campaign--as well as new-product development. "The final consumer is the center of attention in using value engineering to study and amend quality, cost and innovation parameters for existing and new appliances," according to Egan. As he explains it, value engineering value analysis studies appliances from both a product and a commodity perspective. While corporate engineering and manufacturing lead in new-product development, corporate purchasing and suppliers are involved to ensure that global and regional procurement issues are addressed from the outset. Similarly, in value analysis of commodity supplies, where purchasing and suppliers have the lead roles, the engineers and production managers are involved from the beginning.

"When you include purchasing and the supply base into any global product development initiative, procurement goes beyond just developing supply strategies," says Armes. "Rather, it delves deeply into the implementation phase. It's this fact that further proves the value of having cost-effective suppliers as partners."

Armes talks a lot about the importance of technology transfers-the speedy transfer of leading-edge ideas from suppliers-within value engineering and value analysis efforts. Here's one example: As engineers in one region were developing a new washer design, it became clear to product development managers that groundbreaking work from another part of the world would benefit the project. By adapting the innovation-and with purchasing accessing materials knowhow from suppliers around the globe- the new product reached the marketplace faster than expected at lower cost.

E-auctions up in the air

An important question just now is where these partners will fit with future electronic procurement initiatives. "There are many questions about the value of the eprocurement tool," says Armes. "The big question is: Can electronic auctions make purchasing more efficent?" Whirlpool tested e-auctions for about 10-15% of materials sourced for fourth quarter delivery to manufacturing plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

"Whatever we do, it will be done gradually," he says. For materials, the company appears to be comfortable with its electronic data interchange-based integrated supply management system. "We are trying to drive toward a paperless system, using existing systems, and developing new systems, to make our needs more visible to suppliers, to manage our inventories better and to speed delivery to manufacturing locations," Armes says.

The company has rolled out an SAP software-based business-to-business electronic exchange for indirect materials--MRO goods, office products, logistics services and capital equipment. "We're using the SAP system basically to integrate our needs forecasting systems with our suppliers," Armes explains.

Highlights at Whirlpool

* Already reduced costs 170/0 since 1998

* Already reduced supply base by 50% since 1998

* Will cut costs 3-5% in 2001 and again in 2002 in purchasing, manufacturing, technology

* Will implement new global supplier development strategy

Brief history of Whirlpool

Whirlpool Corp . was founded in 1911 as Upton Machine Co., producing electric, motor-driven wringer washers. Upton merged with Nineteen Hundred Washer Co. in 1929 and operated under that name for 21 years. The firm was renamed Whirpool in 1950, two years after the Whirlpool brand washer was introduced and first distributed by Sears, Roebuck & Co. It sells most of its products worldwide under the Whirlpool brand name. However, the company remains the principal supplier of major home appliances to Sears under the Kenmore brand name. And, over the years, Whirlpool has purchased or entered into joint ventures with various companies. So, it also sells appliances under such other brands as KitchenAid, Roper, Inglis, Acros and Crolls in North America; Supermatic, Brastemp, Consul, Embraco, Eslabon de Lujo, and Semer in Latin America ; Bauknecht, lgnis, and Laden in Europe and Asia ; and KIC in South Africa.






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Post# 4086-8/27/2001-15:49 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: bob...
the gas cooktop is acceptable...however, i'm more of an old-fashioned electric coil kind of guy...
the self-cleaning/cooking on the oven and the speed of the microwave are excellent...
the dishwasher is identical to the performa series...not sure if it could handle an appnut load, but for me it is fine...it washes well, and dries very well, without a rinse agent...
the refrigerator is noisy...i would never buy another frigidaire, but the price for a side-by-side was irresistable at lowe's at the time...
geodon
geodon

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Post# 4087-8/27/2001-15:51 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: peter...
thanks for the kind words...
geodon

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Post# 4088-8/27/2001-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P SmartDrive Video Clips)
MESSAGE: Lenny, have you seen the video clips I posted?  A link to them is in the Member Links section, and included below.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/smartdrive/smartdrive_pics.html

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Post# 4089-8/27/2001-17:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Very nice site - is this something that you can do with your internet service?

I like the quotes and beliefs section - very interesting...

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Post# 4090-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Thanks! Roadruner gives all their users free web space and you can buy more if needed. Between Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Photoshop it is real easy and quick to make a page.

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Post# 4091-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Who me??

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Post# 4092-8/27/2001-19:30 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here (Power Fin agitator)
MESSAGE: The Maytag washer that I have used the LoadSensor agitator with the screw. If you want to use the PowerFin you have to make sure you also have the "stop ring" that the agitator used in the helical drive 6 gear system to hold it down. The shaft is identical and it slips on easily. the only quirk with the agitator is the fact as the load size gets bigger so does the indexing of the washbasket ...much like the WCI washers of today. But the turnover is unreal and I have to say its almost as good as the Frigidaire GM washer I have. Within 10 seconds the load is turned over in both machines but the Frigidaire has the edge in capacity.
As you may have noticed that I pair up the Frigidaire with my GE Profile dryer because the drum size can handle the washload that the washer can hold. The Maytag Atlantis dryer chokes on loads like that. Plus in my opinion I think that the GE dryer is gentler in my clothes temperature wise and just as fast. I love the way my clothes come out of the GE dryer very smooth and wrinkle free....sure helps to have the 7 cu ft drum and sensor. I did notice that the drum design in many ways is similar to the Frigidaire 1-18's of years past and very similar in diameter and hole pattern.
The Maytag is fast and it does a great job with the Maytag washer.
Mike

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Post# 4093-8/27/2001-20:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Peter you are so 'coy'!!! Cleaning performance is claimed to be very similar in each cycle. Amazingly the HE3t is even more water efficient as well. I'm thinking the exception would be the 'Sanitary' cycle with the 153 wash water temp. Both user guides recomment HE detergent for best results.....this is really a key performance factor for any high-efficiency washer. Ciao.....Leslie

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Post# 4094-8/27/2001-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Now that we've heard the method for raising the Frigmore f/l washers, is there a similar "cure" for us water lovers in the new Hettie?

You can tell us, we won't blab! :-)

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Post# 4095-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: What is the dryer next to the Calypso in the picture taken 7/14? Is this something we've not heard about?

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Post# 4096-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
Thank you for your response to my question. Yes indeed I did download and watch with delight your F&P videos. I am amazed at the sounds and action of the machine. I especially noticed how you can hear the sloshing sounds of the agitator without much underlying motor noise. I have heard the F&P machine refered to as 'a top loader with a front loader efficiency' (Consumer Reports July 01 review). Im not quite sure what that means except for maybe the wash action yet it isnt similiar to a front loader at all. What I dont understand on your videos of the machine in action is why does it switch randomly from slow to fast to medium speeds? I can understand slow to medium or medium to fast as the system senses a greater workload. However, I cant understand why it would go from a heavy to a delicate action in the same load. Perhaps you can explain this to me. Also, Ive noticed in your videos that the agitator seems to be almost revolving completely around (more than 360 degrees and back). Is the accurate or just a video illusion? If it rotates that broadly, it must have an outstanding water action. Thanks for your response to my request for advice.

Lenny

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Post# 4097-8/27/2001-21:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: That is the 1990 Electronic 90 series dryer that John gave me. I was using the matching washer which John also gave me until I got the Calypso. Now someone else is using the set, however the day after I delivered the set the control board died for the washer so it had to be converted to a regular console.

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Post# 4098-8/27/2001-21:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't think there is a way to make an adjustment. In addition to a 3 level pressure switch, there is a 'flow-meter'. It monitors how much incoming water passes from the inlet valve into the system......and it works in concert with the pressure switch. If one or the other senses something wrong.....I.E. too much water or not enough.....it locks the door shut and pumps out. Then you'll get a failure code in the display. There are so many backup and safety systems built-into the controls.....I don't think you can monkey around. For example, the 153 wash water is cooled to about 120 before draining.....so as to prevent anyone from contacting that very hot water. Also, those secondary windows on the washer and dryer doors are intended to keep one hands off the potentially hot door glass. Plus a host of other things designed for safety!

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Post# 4099-8/27/2001-21:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE:



It's pink!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268293978

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Post# 4100-8/27/2001-21:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: It's fabulous! But its not a 1960. It is most likely a 1965 or 66.

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Post# 4101-8/27/2001-21:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

No it doesn't switch speeds like that during normal operation.  I was manually switching cycles to show the differences in the speeds/action.  I'm sorry that got you confused, LOL!  There are some variations in the motor torque and agitation stroke during the course of a cycle, which you can hear if you listen closely in the sequences when it settles down for a bit at a particular speed, but nothing as dramatic as actually switching the speed between delicate, regular, and heavy duty.

And yes, the agitation stroke can be more than 360°, depending on the cycle and the load the motor senses.  There is quite a bit of water action underneath, but there sometimes isn't much roll-over of the clothing during a full load, which tends to be deceiving in how the washing action looks.  The agitator fins are pretty soft and flexible.  Along with the free-floating basket (which causes the sympathetic indexing), that results in a fairly gentle washing action -- a combination of water moving through the clothes and the clothes moving 'round through the water.

I recently ran a load and forgot some tissues in a pocket on a pair of slacks.  There were no paper shreds in the machine after the cycle finished, so I didn't know the tissues were there.  I tossed the load in the dryer . . . and found the tissue shreds when the drying was done.  I don't know exactly what that means, so take it however you want!

The newer EcoSmart has a somewhat different washing action at the start of the cycle.  It fills a bit, perhaps to the point at which the basket floats, then goes into a detergent shower-spray period, similar to the Catalyst.  Then it fills the rest of the way and continues with "regular" agitation for the rest of the wash phase.  The EcoSmart also is programmed by default for a "water-saver" shower-rinse, and has an option for a "fabric softener" deep-rinse.  My SmartDrive does a deep rinse by default, and has the water-saver as an option.

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Post# 4102-8/27/2001-22:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: I love the dating "guesses" by sellers on Ebay - good for a snicker now and then.

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Post# 4103-8/27/2001-22:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: If they had the matching washer, we'd be planning a trip - I do want a Filtrator!

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Post# 4104-8/27/2001-22:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a very nice one, and in the pink color too! :-)

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Post# 4105-8/27/2001-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Now I recognize the panel! I knew it had to be newer as it's almond, but couldn't think of what you've had.

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Post# 4106-8/27/2001-22:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: I have pictures of the set in one of the 32 different pic folders. One day when I have nothing better to do I will sort through them and put them where they belong.

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Post# 4107-8/27/2001-22:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Do you have video the Lady K draining and spinning? I want to hear the shifting into spin sound "grind-click" hopefully if you caught it on tape.

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Post# 4108-8/28/2001-10:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: What a cutie!!! It looks identical to the 65 Frigidaire washer I had. But, were they still doing pink in 65? And, a filtrator yet! I owned a 60 Frigidaire dryer for a few years, but it was vented with a lint screen in the door.

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Post# 4109-8/28/2001-12:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: OMG, Jason, I'm sorry, I didn't get a video of the LK shifting into spin.  There was so much activity going on with all those machines that it was impossible to get everything, and I don't know how well the sounds would come through with the background noises and people talking.  I did try getting some clips for you of my friend's "modern" belt-drive Whirlpool, but they didn't turn out very well.  I'll try again. I know an 80's belt-drive isn't quite the same as a vintage machine, but maybe I can get the effect to come through better running on low speed motor.

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Post# 4110-8/28/2001-13:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I was actually really amazed at the quality of those videos for that little camera, and I had no idea that it recorded sound to boot!

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Post# 4111-8/28/2001-13:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Rich, do you remember which model your 65 was?

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Post# 4112-8/28/2001-13:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: I'm going to record vidoes like that for the web site starting soon, so I'll be sure to get the lady kenmore shifting into spin.

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Post# 4113-8/28/2001-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Yup Rich, pink was still around in 1965 and yes, they still offered Filtrators. I've seen a pink washer version of the dryer in an ad on Ebay.

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Post# 4114-8/28/2001-14:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Pictures later)
MESSAGE: Now I have regained consciousness again after a long sleep, I am looking back on a really wonderful holiday. I'll spare you all the details, since many of you have been in a part of it and it takes to much anyway to tell. If I will tell about something I'm leaving something else out. Steve's pictures tell the whole story. My pictures are getting devellopped, unfortunately due to the holidays it will take a week before they are ready. I will post them as soon as I have them.

Thanks again all for this wonderful meeting and vacation.

Louis



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Post# 4115-8/28/2001-14:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer (and dryer!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Wow, what great news!! Congratulations!! You have to give me all the details on this machine. I can't wait to see the pictures. I hope you will be able to do something about the drain pump. The AEG's are very good machines and I have to disagree with Tom about the rinsing, AEG washers rinse very well, at least better than the Miele Tom has.

Let's say it's just coincidence, but I bought today a second hand AEG dryer to match my AEG washer, which I will be able (I hope and I think) to connect in my new apartment. Unfortunately I have just a new film in my camera, so there is not a picture available now.

A double YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4116-8/28/2001-15:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,

We too think that everybody has done a great job with the pictures. The convention is really well documented. Lots of memories for the convention visitors and we think a good impression for the people who weren't there.

We will mail you soon,

QLOTOC

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Post# 4117-8/28/2001-15:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Tom,

It was great meeting you too. I have mailed several friends the links to the pictures and they were very impressed. Or could it be they dare not say they are not interested LOL!

Louis

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Post# 4118-8/28/2001-15:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Bob,

No problem with topping that since I woke up 5 hours before we went to the airport. I then come to 23 hours!! In misfortune however your voyage to Minneapolis is one of a kind and I hope next time you will have more luck with visiting the convention.

Louis

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Post# 4119-8/28/2001-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: I second that. And besides that, the basement!!! George's basement is bigger than my whole apartment!! I'm having visions about lots of washers, loads of laundry and heaps of suds. Who wouldn't want a basement like his?

Louis

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Post# 4120-8/28/2001-19:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Thank you!)
MESSAGE: This is going to be cool. I never thought for the world that I'd hear an old Kenmore washing machine. When I was small, I'd sit there through the whole cycle watching it wash. People think it's crazy to watch a washer work. It's a mechanical device, and I was the kind of kid who liked to watch things work.

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Post# 4121-8/28/2001-19:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Is it me or watching/listening to a washing machine can be a stress reliever? It's like the worries of the day are washed and spun away. I've been having some stressful days lately so I decided to fire up Whirly for a batch. It was a small batch of towels but I let the machine fill up to full capacity and put lots of soap to make a nice sudsy wash. I jammed a pen cap into the door sensor so I could watch it spin. It was a good stress relief. I sometimes put in a batch of clothes and then go to bed. I live in a trailer so the washing machine is in the next room. An added bonus is when the spin is accelerating, it shakes the bed a little. The noise seems soothing to me and it makes me feel more relaxed.

Am I crazy or what? Roller Coasters and Washing Machines... what a hobby.

BTW, I went camping in Pennsylvania last week. At the campground I saw 3 Speed Queen washers (nice shiny Stainless tubs) and 3 SQ Dryers.

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Post# 4122-8/28/2001-19:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason,

I totally agree with you. That's why I would never consider a windowless neptune. It is very calming to watch the clothes tumble in my FL'ers. I onlt wish my dryers had windows.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4123-8/28/2001-19:59 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Drum roll, please
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It's still in th back of the van. It will have to wait until later in the week to get unloaded.

The model is a Lavamat 539. Will scan the manual and post, too.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/AEG&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4124-8/28/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason, no you're not crazy. At the convention, Jetcone told me that he often puts a load in his westy FLer and watches it to help him ease the stress of the day.

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Post# 4125-8/28/2001-22:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Does anyone else know you can do this?

A Direct Drive Whirly/Kenmore goes into neutral drain. When you lift the lid it stops and when you put the lid back down, the clutch engages and spinning starts. So effectively you CAN have a Maytag style spinning and draining with a Whirly. I discovered it on accident when I lifted the lid while draining. When I'm watching it, I pull the pen cap out and stick it back in and watch the clothes slowly spin away the water. Only problem is when the timer advanced to the "real" spin cycle, there's a pause and then the spinning continues.

Will this hurt the machine to do that. I wonder if there's a way to wire it to have it do this trick all the time. It seems the washer is more balanced if it slowly drains and spins. More of the clothes are stuck to the sides of the drum also.

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Post# 4126-8/28/2001-22:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, I was doing this with my 86 LK DD, but Brooklyn Robert said to stop, that I'd damage the machine. So, I'm back to neutral draining again.

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Post# 4127-8/28/2001-23:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Hi jason! We all love washers, thats why its so great to have this club.

At last someone who understnads us all!!!

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Post# 4128-8/28/2001-23:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: Maybe it might break the coupler. Neutral draining is just blah. I know I grew up with a Kenmore and I always thought that's how it was supposed to be. When my mom got her Maytag and saw the spinning-drain I thought that was the coolest idea. Watching the tub slowly turn while the water drains and then it gets a great acceleration when the water's finished draining. Her Maytag also makes a nice whirring sound when the spin is accelerating, reminiscent of the old belt-drive kenmores. Maybe the sound I'm hearing is the belt.

By the way, I filled up the Whirly with water and threw in two towels. I did the spin drain trick and watched the towels float around until they got stuck to the wall of the tub. Unfortunately they bunched up on one side and I finally realized that my out of balance switch worked properly. the washer just stopped. I balanced it and watched it swirl some more and when the pump dried the tub accelerated to 500rpm (oooh!).

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Post# 4129-8/28/2001-23:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Washing machines isn't just a girly thing. It's a mechanical device. A machine. Guys are naturally drawn to running motors and spinning gears. I also love lawnmowers and I can't wait to cut the grass. Just to hear that little engine run.

Most people associate washing machines with "woman's work". Well, I can tell you as a single guy, I have to do laundry, cook, and clean or else I'd be like trailer trash and starve to death.

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Post# 4130-8/28/2001-23:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks heaps for those videos!! I watched them all last night, if only they could be longer, not that I expect more, just that I enjoyed them so much.

Uni, if you are going to make videos for the site can we get the ABC going with the agitator from the Kelvinator.

Looks live everyone had a wondefful time at the convention. Uni and Scoot look like they did a wondeful job!

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Post# 4131-8/28/2001-23:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: People are so stupid when it comes to labeling things girly or blokey. I just have always loved watching the water and suds sloshing around, the smell of hot soapy water.

What is "manly" anyway? Just because I like washers doesnt mean I am soem scared little wimp who cant hadle pressure. Plus lets face it, women who work full time need some help around the house and i am more that happy to do the washing.

The thing about washing is that people percieve it to be hard work, this is just a carry over from the old days when boiling the copper took all day, now ten minutes in the laundry is all it takes, but people still moan on about doing the washing, they only do that because that is what they have been tuaght to do.

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Post# 4132-8/28/2001-23:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: This is where I seem to differ from every one else. I loved watching neutral drain on two of my aunties washing amchines, ( the only two who didnt have simpsons by the way, we were a big simpson family)

The simpsons spin/drain seemed like it was missing a step to me and the more doffrent steps in the washign process the better.

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Post# 4133-8/28/2001-23:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Since I painted the south laundry studio this summer, I've had only one washer (57 Maytag AMP) hooked up to run. I decided to replace the plastic cold water line with copper and hose bibs for each machine. I was so looking forward to watching the Bendix and enjoying the "splat" of the clothes on the water and the speed change into high speed spin, but tonight, for the first time ever, a solder joint leaked and I need yet another trip to the hardware store tomorrow. Ehhhh, another day!

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Post# 4134-8/28/2001-23:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: arrrooohhh, it is possible to do 1 minute video clips with my little camera, but the picture size/resolution is reduced by about half.

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Post# 4135-8/28/2001-23:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Jason, when I was a kid I used to record our 1962 Whirlpool (hung the microphone behind the machine), then put the tape recorder in bed and listen to it at night until I fell asleep.

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Post# 4136-8/28/2001-00:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Design2000 did NOT have a neutral drain, this was before the transmission was re-designed with the neutral drain slip-clutch-plate or whatever it's called.  The coupler must have been more robust back then.  My grandmother's machine was of that type.  The drain periods in all cycles was a high-speed spin.  I always thought that was rather strange, what with the Gentle and Perm Press cycles having a two-minute high-speed spin-drain, then shifting to low speed -- by the end of that two minutes, the load was already spin out and the low speed did nothing in that respect.  Maybe that's one reason why the re-design was done.

Bob, the only potential for damage I'm aware of is a broken coupler, and that seems rather unlikely . . . I'm thinking the torque from agitation puts more strain on the coupler than spinning a full load of water . . . but what do I know?

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Post# 4137-8/28/2001-00:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, there's no way to make a DD Whirlpool permanently do a spin-drain, without some sort of radical timer re-design.  The "shift" between agitation / neutral drain / spin is a mechanical thing and requires the motor to stop between each one.

When the motor runs one direction for agitation, a mechanism in the transmission presets itself so that when the motor stops and then reverses (for drain), the transmission goes into a neutral mode.  When the motor stops again, and then resumes (also in the reverse direction from agitation), the neutral shifting mechanism releases and goes into spin mode.  I used to know exactly how the mechanism works, but it has been so long since I saw the technical info, I don't remember now.

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Post# 4138-8/28/2001-00:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA cleaning in progress
MESSAGE: I had about a half-bottle of Lime-a-Way, squirted all of it in the KA, over the wash arm, filter, and water heating element.  Then I started a cycle, let it run for a bit, and now it's soaking.  I'll run, soak, run, soak several times, see how it turns out.  There is quite a bit of foaming, but not enough to cause any leaks for the short periods I'm letting it run.

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Post# 4139-8/28/2001-00:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve,

It looks like it is in a pretty good shape. It has a button for small loads that lowers the water level even more, but I guess that will not be used LOL. I couldn't find the specific model in my brochures, spinspeed 850rpm? Selfcleaning lintfilter and in the delicate cycles it stops in the last rinse, you have to manually forward it into spin. This AEG series was introduced in 1983.

Louis

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Post# 4140-8/28/2001-00:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom and I have been doing that for ages and none of our trannys have broken. As a matter of fact, as the trammy gets some age on it it will sometimes, just slip into spin/drain.

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Post# 4141-8/28/2001-01:13 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (& Drying for stress relief)
MESSAGE: My favorite stress reliever is just listening to my washer and dryer "sing". The washer's cycle finishes first, and by the time I hear the final k-klunk when it turns off, I am very relaxed. By time the dryer turns off, I'm asleep (I do not turn on the signal alarm).

If more people knew how to relieve stress with the help of automatic appliances, my boss (a psychiatrist) would be out of a job, which means I would be out of a job.

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Post# 4142-8/28/2001-01:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Now that really is pushing the envelope!!!!

I dont think I could fall alseep listeniung to a washing machine, but I do have washing machine dreams, and then there is the horrible one when I get chased around the house by an upright hoover.

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Post# 4143-8/28/2001-01:42 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: arrrooohh:
Your nightmare about being chased by an upright Hoover? Maybe you were a dog in a previous reincarnation. All the dogs I ever had were always terrified by the vacuum, even if it wasn't running.


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Post# 4144-8/29/2001-05:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: According to the manual, the spin speed is 800 rpms. It does have a button for small loads and a another that has a graphic of a basket with a line underneath it. The previous owner said that was for hand wash items. I really won't know until I play with it a little.

I read it has two cycles. One has a pause at the end of the last rinse that leaves the clothes in the rinse water (like the quietline).

One knob is for the cycles and the other is for the water temperatures.

This machine has both cold and hot water inlets. The previous owner said she only had it hooked up to the cold water. As she explained, the washer should start with cold water and warm gradually. This 'handles' a range of stains. Starting with hot water sets some stains in. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4145-8/29/2001-05:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison (ge and china)
MESSAGE: Another great reason NOT to buy ge; dealing with china. John takes great glee in reusing GE parts like DW motor/pumps and similar components off the new washers since it keeps him from having to pay money to ge for new parts when reconditioning something to be sold used or when he is able to offer a customer a break in price for a good used part versus a new one in a repair. TT

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Post# 4146-8/29/2001-05:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - Whirlpool (WP and Homo Depot)
MESSAGE: WP and KA appliances used to be sold at HD. The story that John heard about the termination of the relationship was that because of the problems WP had with the Y2K computer situation, they were unable to supply HD with products and HD turned elsewhere. TT

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Post# 4147-8/29/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, What a relief to hear that the gas cooktop was NOT your choice and that you prefer electric cooking. My confidence in you remains unshaken! TT

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Post# 4148-8/29/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (Suds cooling in Euro washers)
MESSAGE: Another function of the addition of cold water to the wash just before draining is to help flush the soil from the load. While the low water level washing is very effective at removing soil by giving a good drop to the bottom of the tub and keeping down suds, the additional water helps by giving that removed soil some place to go to so that it can be carried away. TT

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Post# 4149-8/29/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: There is no way that this damages the machine. TT

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Post# 4150-8/29/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, two speed WP machines shift to high for drain. I remember the last half stroke in my mom's 58 LK when it would be suddenly faster just before shifting into drain. The non-neutral drain was producing complaints about lint and suds streaks in the load, probably from people who don't know how to do laundry. Maybe it was the hard water and no phosphate detergent combination also. Anyway, I have always spin-drained my KA and never had a problem with the coupler or streaks. There did seem to be a run of bad couplers in the 90s, but they have corrected that and the newer ones are as dependable as the old ones, according to John's experience with them. For sheer take off acceleration, the new ge TLs are very impressive, but they use a neutral drain now. TT

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Post# 4151-8/29/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: You can make it do this permanently if you get hold of an old non-neutral drain tranny. Also as they age, the little plate gets worn and some will begin to slip into spin shortly after drain begins. TT

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Post# 4152-8/29/2001-06:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (vacuum nightmare)
MESSAGE: Would Freud have a ball with that one! Perhaps it is a succubus in appliance form. TT

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Post# 4153-8/29/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: One of our schnauzers used to attack the vacuum while we used it, biting it at the front corners. I guess she was bravely defending her family from the roaring monster. John's dog Molly is a cocker and is deathly afraid of hoses of any size. I guess it is that innate snake thing. Two very cruel people who no longer work in the office used to tease her with drain hoses and laugh at her distress. I told her she should have bitten them, but she did not relate the "snake" to them. TT

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Post# 4154-8/29/2001-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: I sometimes refer to watching a load of wash as my after work martini.

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Post# 4155-8/29/2001-07:05 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (I do it all the time)
MESSAGE: Just last night I had a very stressful day at work and as soon as I got home I poured a glass of wine and loaded the 1-18 by the time it hit rinse cycle I was back as a human being. Yes it is relaxing and that does not make us weird either. I think if I would have made it to the convention I would have lasped into a suspended animation of joy

All I can say is wash to your hearts content

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Post# 4156-8/29/2001-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Recording the washer)
MESSAGE: And oh if you had that tape today. You most certainly recorded the shifting into spin sound and I bet it's nice and clear. If you DO still have that tape, why don't you make an MP3 and email it to me or put it on a website. I never thought about recording the sounds of the washer. My mom would've thought I was nutz.

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Post# 4157-8/29/2001-07:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I had forgotten that Norge began making the laundry appliances for AMC, or else I did not know it. Maybe by 66 our store stopped selling AMC appliances or maybe they dropped the laundry since they already sold Norge along with GE. When they did earlier in the 60s, the laundry stuff was by Easy, the refrigeration and AC units by Gibson and the horrible, awful stoves by Sunray. I never saw an AMC DW, but it just struck me that there were very few DWs on the sales floor in the late 50s-early 60s, except portables. TT

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Post# 4158-8/29/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Mine does this, usually on the first load I do, if it's not on a long wash cycle, but since most is done on Gentle, 8 minutess sometimes isn't enough and it goes into spin. I'm glad I have the timed FS dispenser.

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Post# 4159-8/29/2001-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: I agree Tom, I think Whirlpool went back to the neutral drain after the first year or two of the direct drive machines because of water leak complaints. The seal between the tub ring and the outer tub was not effective enough to prevent a bit of water from being spun up and out of the outer tub, under the tub ring. I'm sure that transmission can handle a spin-drain.

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Post# 4160-8/29/2001-09:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Mystery trannies on eBay...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268679508

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Post# 4161-8/29/2001-09:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Robert, I have not heard of this and have not experienced it myself, although my machine is later so maybe the tub cover seal was improved in the meantime. Whatever the reason, I do not like BORRRING neutral draining and love how easy it is to get the spin drain on the DD washers. It sure makes my spin rinsing more effective to have the clothes spread up on the tub wall instead of lumped at the bottom. Speaking of rinsing, I ordered 2 25 lb containers of the generic Calgon, Sodium Hexametaphosphate and 2 10 lb. containers of the generic version of OXY CLEAN from the Chemistry Store in Boca Raton. One of each for John and me. TT

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Post# 4162-8/29/2001-10:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, please inform me as to what benefit Oxy Clean is. I wasn't that impressed the time I used it on my whites rather than bleach.

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Post# 4163-8/29/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: That looks like the new wonderful GE tranny.

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Post# 4164-8/29/2001-10:46 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I asked Brooklyn Robert on how the spin-drain would damage the DD washer with the neutral drain clutch.
Here is what he said=
The spin-drain would damage the neutral drain clutch inside the tranny. With a damaged clutch, The washer WILL NOT neutral drain anymore. It will do the spin-drain.
Rob


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Post# 4165-8/29/2001-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: I think that is the point...

-ph

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Post# 4166-8/29/2001-10:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Although Eddy's machine is from a newer serie, his machine is almost identical to yours. I believe his AEG Lavamat 600 also has a cold and hot water connection. It also has the same buttons, the ones on his are round and on yours are square. No wonder I couldn't find it in my brochures, this model was never sold in Holland. I should have known. I have this big dimple in my chin...

Louis

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Post# 4167-8/29/2001-10:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Common sense would have told you that. You can also grind or file a portion of the spin cam so it will spin drain all the time.

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Post# 4168-8/29/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Hi Tom.
I DO NOT recommend the old DD spin-drain tranny.
According to my local authorized Whirlpool dealer/service person, The old spin-drain tranny has a design flaw. The tranny uses plastic gears. Over a period of time, The plastic gears slowly degrade and make the washer very noisy.
On the other hand, The present DD neutral drain tranny uses metal gears. Metal gears offer consistent performance and quiet operation for the life of the tranny. This tranny has an estimated lifespan of 15-20 years. The old spin-drain tranny with the plastic gears has an estimated lifespan of 5-10 years.
This is what my local authorized Whirlpool Tech Care service person told me about the two trannys.
Rob


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Post# 4169-8/29/2001-11:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Westy top-loaders (1960s) did that on "gentle" spin too....they would spin-drain on high speed...and then shift down to low speed after a minute. I don't know what the WCI version does.

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Post# 4170-8/29/2001-11:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (sleep aid)
MESSAGE: Hi Janet

I used to love to fall asleep listening to the washer and dryer. Years (and two moves) ago, my laundry room was on the second floor of my condo, with a 1970's-something Maytag pair. I would put in a load and lay down in bed. The muffled, rythemical sound of the Maytag washing put me out in a flash...usually before the first spin. The hum of the dryer would also lull me to sleep.

Now I have a house and the laundry room is again on the second floor by the bedrooms. But, the bedroom is not as close to the machines as they were in the condo, and the Frigmores I have now run very quiet...too quiet to hear. Sometimes I can hear the hum of the final spin in the washer, but just faintly.

Luckily, I don't have a problem falling asleep, so it's no big deal. But it was sure relaxing and soothing when I could hear them running.

Rich

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Post# 4171-8/29/2001-11:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Rich, pumps work most efficiently at high speed. Look how poorly the Unimatic pump works when the motor is slowed so at the start of spin. Even GE used that rotten clutch so that the pump could operate at full speed for filtering and draining when the machine was at low speed. That is why Maytag has the PP cycle spin on high speed, to drain the tub quickly so that the cool down does not take forever. Of course, with the new drain pumps powered by their own motor, the situation has changed. Sometime in the future neutral drain might be an industry wide standard. TT

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Post# 4172-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: tom...
absolutely...
when i purchased this home pre-construction, electric cooktops were not an option...nor was the installation if you purchased your own...
you should have seen the fit they pitched when i purchased an upgraded vent hood...
geodon

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Post# 4173-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

I do that too! One of my favorite things is to load the washer when I get home and then lay on the floor and watch it. (That's why I love having a front loader with a window.)

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Post# 4174-8/29/2001-11:25 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: exactly the same...
geodon

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Post# 4175-8/29/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Rob, if the original spin-drain transmission has this serious design flaw, and only lasts 5 to 10 years, then why did my Grandmother's Design2000 run for 15 years with NO repairs?  I had direct contact with that machine throughout that entire time, used it myself any number of times, and I don't recall it being any noisier in 1984 than it was in 1999.  She sold the machine used, and the buyer was quite happy to get it.

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Post# 4176-8/29/2001-12:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve, is your AEG a 240 volt washer?

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Post# 4177-8/29/2001-12:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Well, there's hope for mine's demise. It kinda clatters sometimes in spin or wash. I'll use it until it fails, or the Myg shows up from my parent's house.

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Post# 4178-8/29/2001-12:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: I know our 64 Norge, neutral drain, would drain at the designated spin speed. After one minute increment, the timer would delay until the water level reset was tripped by the emptying tub, or by me manually pushing the slide switch into reset area (hehe).

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Post# 4179-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Tom, that's interesting; I was not aware "AMC" was a national brand. Our Dayton's stores sold this brand for many years, and I had always assumed it was a private label since you could purchase it no where else except at Dayton's (here).

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Post# 4180-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Rich, I'd be doing the same thing if I had a FLer. Either laying on the floor (of course Beau would want to have undivided attention since I would be on his level) or sit in my "video" chair I use to watch tv.

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Post# 4181-8/29/2001-12:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, our neighbors with the 59 LK W/D combo had an AMC upright freezer right next to it, it came from a store in Houston called Foleys.

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Post# 4182-8/29/2001-12:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Is there anything else besides Sears/Whirlpool that has those big long posts?

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Post# 4183-8/29/2001-12:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: As I remember seeing it, there is one big plastic gear in both trannies. TT

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Post# 4184-8/29/2001-12:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, can anyone purchase these products? I don't know what "oxy clean" is, but at $6.00 for a little box, I wonder if there would be savings for some folks buying Calgon in that fashion.

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Post# 4185-8/29/2001-12:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, If your department store joined Allied Merchandising Corporation, you could have access to all of the AMC stuff. Rich's in Atlanta & Woodward and Lothrop of dear memory here in DC were also part of it. You are right in that it was a private label brand for the stores who were members. TT

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Post# 4186-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Scott, Jason just found them on the web. The prices are much lower for what is the ingredient of OXY CLEAN. I think we are getting a 10 lb. container for $16.06, which Jason said is cheaper than what he paid. There is no restriction on who can buy, but the minimum order is $10 not including shipping. The generic Calgon is something close to $40.00 for 25 lbs, but it is the phosphated version, not that yucky sodium citrate water softener that is the non-phosphste version. You can buy the phosphated versions of Calgon and Raindrops so it would not make sense for you to go to these lengths to get it like we have to. Since I was ordering, I figured why not buy the bleach instead of Clorox II? TT

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Post# 4187-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Now I even know what it stands for! :-)

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Post# 4188-8/29/2001-12:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: I almost bought a box of Calgon again a few days ago, but it was almost $5 for what seems like a rather small box.  I tried a box some time ago, and didn't see much difference.  OxyClean was also on the shelf.  What exactly is OxyClean?

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Post# 4189-8/29/2001-12:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Bob, that's interesting.  Years ago, I was at a neighbor's, slipped quietly into their utility room where a load was washing in a Catalina machine (sold by White's Auto Stores at that point in time -- had a burp-up filter with the squishy sound, fun, fun, fun!).  I watched for a bit, and it cranked into a neutral drain, which surprised me because I expected it to be a spin/drain.  For some reason, I flipped the water level to reset, and it immediately shifted into spin.  There was still quite a bit of water in it, so I cranked the water level down to low, figuring it was trip the pressure switch back, but it didn't and the spin continued.  I was worried I had done something wrong and broken the machine.

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Post# 4190-8/29/2001-14:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Yes, but the models with them usually have their pictures modified so the posts appear bigger than they really are...

-ph

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Post# 4191-8/29/2001-14:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Tom, I know the DD models have a plastic tub of a different design, but on our 1962 Whirlpool, when I forced a spin/drain (especially on a full load) by tripping the water level switch, the water would get up high enough to leak (a LOT) through the slots around the rim of the tub where the tub ring clips were inserted.

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Post# 4192-8/29/2001-15:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: SILLY! ;-)

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Post# 4193-8/29/2001-15:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: No, you didn't do anything wrong to the machine. Those later burp-ups had the combined neutral and then began spinning with still some water in it once the "reset" switch was tripped. You did what I never had the courage to do with neighbor across the street (the one with the grey Hotpoint touchcommand dryer).

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Post# 4194-8/29/2001-15:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Did the same thing with the 1970 Model 800 Kenmore. That splashing out, I believe, contributed to the "sticking" of the oob buzzer later in its life--frustrating mom to get a new washer.

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Post# 4195-8/29/2001-19:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: "no - view" (King) Neptune
MESSAGE: I was so excited to buy my new Maytag Neptune last winter. I was replacing a DD Lady Kenmore/TL 90 Series (White on white with the small incandescent console light. The Kenmore worked fine but I had it for 9 years and was happy to give it to my sister who actually needed a new washer after her 20yr old Lady Kenmore Belt-drive finally died! Now in just under a year, im so bored with my Neptune. It works wonderful, cleans outstandingly, super quiet but has one MAJOR 'defect'- it has NO WINDOW to view. I feel SO isolated and 'cut-off' from my washing. I know it sounds crazy but I'm very dissapointed with not having the ability to view it working. I have overridden the door switch manually (with a shish-k-bob rod (loop end) and held the door switch. It has a nice wash action but also it only seems to wet the clothes. I remember my grandmothers F/L Westy and my moms 1964 stackable Westinghouse and they really sloshed around with a lot of water. The Neptune is very disappointing if your looking for 'slosh', 'suds', 'swirling'. Does anybody elce need a new washer? Im looking to 'unload' my (King) Neptune! LoLoL

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Post# 4196-8/29/2001-20:01 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed
MESSAGE: By the way, do you people know that Sears had to scrap the name 'Lady' in their top of the line Kenmore appliances because it was considered politically incorrect and a somewhat sexist term in our modern times. I'd suppose somewhere, someone brought a lawsuit against Sears for this. Unreal, huh?

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Post# 4197-8/29/2001-20:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K?)
MESSAGE: Well, if they nixed Lady K for sexism, what are they gonna do about Craftsman?

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Post# 4198-8/29/2001-20:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K pt. 2)
MESSAGE: I always thought LK gave their TOL appliances that Royal appeal to it. What about Speed Queen? That's sexist, change it to Speed King.


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Post# 4199-8/29/2001-20:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Fun with Maytag)
MESSAGE: Oh no! I hope my mom gives me her Maytag (dependable care) when she's ready for a new machine. First thing I'll do is disable the kill switch on the lid and I can enjoy the show. When I had the 'Tag apart the other day, I notice the outer tub completely shrouds the inner tub. No way any water can come out. And yes, it's major fun to watch the water go through the pump while it drain spins.

Also, fill the washer and throw in just a white washcloth. Make it spin/drain and watch the cloth "fight" the forces of the water. Soon the g's take over and it just sticks to the side of the tub. The same way a human sticks to the side of a Round-Up ride.

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Post# 4200-8/29/2001-21:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever seen the Wipeout ride at any amusement park or fairgrounds? Basically it looks AND moves like a Calypso agitator (or whatever they call it). Maybe Sears oughtta install one in their stores and demonstrate people how Calypso works but making them ride this thing.

The ride has 2 cycles. It "agitates" by spinning and going up and down and it "spins" by staying flat to the ground but spins ferociously. It's a fun ride and I always said they should call it the Washing MAchine. They could even spray water on you and it would be like a spray rinse.

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Post# 4201-8/29/2001-21:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Yeah, I've been on that, in my younger days, I get too dizzy going in circles now.  That ride has different names depending on the amusement park involved.

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Post# 4202-8/29/2001-21:45 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Hi, Glenn, sorry for the delayed response but I'm curious......."Czechin'in"? I have a really good reason for asking....SteveD

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Post# 4203-8/29/2001-21:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Is that 'GA' or 'GO?'

HEE HEE HEE

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Post# 4204-8/29/2001-21:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Just opposite of the Frigidaires. My Rapidry goes from slow to medium speed after the wash and slow, medium, high in the final spin.

The 1-18's spin slow and shift to high after the water has been pumped out.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4205-8/29/2001-21:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: The AEG is 220 V

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Post# 4206-8/29/2001-22:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Play on words -- czechin' in -- czech ur male, etc., blah, blah, blah.  My last name is pretty much a Czechoslovakian name, so there you are!

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Post# 4207-8/29/2001-22:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Yeah...my 65 Frigidaire did that too, no matter what speed or cycle was selected...I had forgotten.

Rich

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Post# 4208-8/30/2001-02:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: JasonL,

I checked those video clips again, and they aren't too bad, so I put them up for viewing.  Not quite what you are wanting in terms of "vintage" material, but perhaps you'll enjoy them anyway.  The first three are on Normal speed, the last one is Gentle.  Each file is 344 KB -- they're at the lower resolution so the video isn't the best, but sound is what we're aiming for here.

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-1.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-2.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-3.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-4.mpg

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Post# 4209-8/30/2001-05:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, was it maybe a Norge built machine? They did that. TT

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Post# 4210-8/30/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: The rollermatic Frigidaires used the rollers like gears in a transmission. The greatest torque was in the lowest speed so that was used to get the tub moving and then shifted into the higher "gears" once the tub was in motion and the greatest load was off the mechanism so it could combine with the motor speeds to speed things up. You will see what I mean if you try to start a tub full of water several clicks into the final spin when it should be spinning at 1010. TT

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Post# 4211-8/30/2001-05:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Tom, Catalinas were another Norge producd label.

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Post# 4212-8/30/2001-06:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Glenn, If you go to www.chemistrystore.com and click on chemicals, there is a menu on the left side with a big article about sodium percarbonate which is the main ingredient in OXYCLEAN. If you have soft water, Calgon will not make much difference, but if you have water of average hardness, you can add 1/4 to 1/2 cup of Calgon to the water and use half the detergent which means there is less stuff to rinse out of the clothes and the Calgon in the fabrics helps the detergent rinse out better. This is great for lightly soiled loads like towels and stuff. However for loads with heavy soil or stains, you want to use your regular amount of detergent with the Calgon to get the full dose of enzymes and stuff to search out and destroy stains and tough to remove dirt. Remember the Ajax White Knight? Tom

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Post# 4213-8/30/2001-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: When I first got the Duomatic installed, I put a load of towels in it with 1/2 Cup of Calgon. After the "soak" cycle I started the normal wash cycle with hot water without adding any detergent. There were more suds than I could believe, years of poor rinsing and detergent residue stripped from just one soft water rinse. I did the same with other loads, but it was most dramatic with the towels as they held the most residue - pretty gross when you think about it.

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Post# 4214-8/30/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips (I remember it!)
MESSAGE: My mom had an 80s Whirly and that's the same sounds it made. When you did the gentle, you got a nice howl out of the tub, too. That was great. Thanks alot!

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Post# 4215-8/30/2001-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: Spinning at 1010, wouldn't that be nice! There's no spinning over 700-800 in this house! I'm amazed at how much just a little increase in RPM in the souped up Maytag over any other machine in the house makes such a difference.

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Post# 4216-8/30/2001-07:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Greg, I still have this problem with towels.

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Post# 4217-8/30/2001-09:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: Bob, from the size of the towel load you showed us, I am not surprised. Heavy fabrics hold a lot of water and when you have a very large load of heavy fabrics, the dilution of the detergent in rinse does not happen because the towels hold so much water after the spin between wash and rinse. That is why heavy loads and heavy fabrics need two rinses with good extraction; there is just a lot more detergent water carried over. Harder water complicates this which is why Calgon is such a help. Tom

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Post# 4218-8/30/2001-09:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Clips Dadoes, do you have both a Whirlpool and the F&P?

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Post# 4219-8/30/2001-09:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: I was playing with the video camera last night and recorded these shots. I've uploaded these as a test to see how our server responds with this kind of traffic.

Please go easy on Applianceville's web-server by downloading these clips as follows:

1. Select the blue link below.
2. With your mouse RIGHT CLICK over the video's name that you want to download.
3. Select SAVE TARGET AS...
4. Select a location on your hard drive to save the video
5. After the video downloads, go find the video on your hard drive and double click its icon to launch it.

By following these instructions you will get your very on copy of the video save to your hard drive. Once you've downloaded the file you can watch it again, and again without redownloading it.

These videos are large, they range from 2 to 4 MB's so those with dial-up connections the download will take 10 minutes, so you will have to be patient, but they will download. DSL and Cable connections of course will be much quicker, about 15 to 45 seconds.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEST%20FOLDER/VIDEO%20TEST%20PAGE.htm

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Post# 4220-8/30/2001-11:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool is not mine, but it's kinda in-the-family . . .

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Post# 4221-8/30/2001-11:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: I do realize this Tom. It's nice to have it reinforced. Funny thing is, I don't have the retention problem of suds with other heavy fabric loads--sweats & 100% cotton sweaters. Just my towels, not matter what size load I do and believe me, the largest dry load you saw was the extreme, it's not usually that full. My towel loads usually stop at the top rim of the wash basket. And I faithfully used Calgon, albeit non-phosphate.

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Post# 4222-8/30/2001-11:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Download Speed)
MESSAGE: The 4.5 MB "Rinse and Spin" video took me 2 mins 40 seconds to download on the LAN at my office.

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Post# 4223-8/30/2001-12:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Ahhh, thanks for the info, Tom. I always considered my water to be relatively soft, but perhaps not, witness the build-up in my dishwasher (but that's over a period of about 9 years). The Lime-a-Way helped, but it needs more. Is there any danger to the KA's parts to let the Lime-a-Way solution soak overnight?

I don't have a laundry rinsing problem, far as I can tell. Using the standard dosage of detergent, I get hardly any sudsing at all during the wash, and the rinse is always clear. When I tried the Calgon before, I used 1/2 cup of it along with the regular dose of detergent, and still didn't get any suds. I guess I need to get another box of Calgon, and try running a load of towels with only Calgon to see what happens, if there is any detergent build-up.

The F&P manual outlines a procedure to clean the machine, recommended periodically. I've done it once, a couple months ago -- use a double-dose of detergent (two cups or so) with full tub of hot water, let it agitate briefly, then soak overnight, drain, and run another full cycle to flush. I did get suds doing that.

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Post# 4224-8/30/2001-13:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I would not let the lime away soak overnight. If you are concerned about the appearance of the heating element, you can apply the acid to a rag and put it on the heating element, but you have to be careful not to let it drip on the porcelain tank because acid eats the porcelain. If your porcelain is shiny or at least not chalky, you have demineralized the machine as much as is safe to do. Probably your dishwasher is looking the way it does more from just having one after rinse than from hard water. My 21 and 22 looked that way almost from the begining while my 18s never have. If you are not using a rinse agent, it might help some in the long run. If your laundry detergent never produces suds, you might have hard water. When you add powdered detergent to the water, does the water feel silky if you rub your finger tips and thumb together? With an alkaline-based powdered detergent, this is the test. It is not the same for alcohol-based liquids. If the water feels silky, you have a proper concentration of detergent. You can make the water feel silky with Calgon also which then means you need less detergent because you have already softened the water or actually bound up the calcium-magnesium ions that make it hard which is a large part of a detergent's function which is why they tell you to use more for hard water; basically so that it will clean, but that is why you are having to use more detergent, to get the water conditioners in it to condition the water. In so doing, you are adding a lot more surfactants and other things to the water which just have to be rinsed out of the clothes and they do not come out as well in hard water as in soft so it gets to be a vicious cycle (no, that one is not on the timer). TT

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Post# 4225-8/30/2001-13:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: Great movies Robert! Not sure if I or anyone has asked this before, but was the Lady Kenmore the first appearance of the lint filter and buzzer?

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Post# 4226-8/30/2001-14:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: OK, I'll take a closer look at the KA tank, but I don't recall much build-up being there.  It's mostly on the heating element, hub of the wash arm, and on the filter parts underneath.  I do always use a rinse agent.  I could do an extra rinse (button-pushing, rapid-advance fun!), but I generally start the dishwasher before going to bed, and there may not be much point to it at this point.

The water in the washer is definitely silky with the detergent.  I'm aware of that as a test for proper concentration.  I recall years ago an article in the Houston Chronicle about Tide, stating that the usage directions (1-1/4 cups or more) is a rip-off, that in soft water 1/8 or 1/4 cup may very well be sufficient, and to use the silky/slippy test to determine the dosage (which of course will vary a bit with the soil level of the load).

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Post# 4227-8/30/2001-14:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: Yes on both accounts. The early Whirlpool's had a lever to kick out the time knob in case of an unbalanced load, like the Frigidaire and ABC-O-Matic's.

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Post# 4228-8/30/2001-14:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Valuable tools?
MESSAGE: Washer tools posted on eBay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1632436057

-ph

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Post# 4229-8/30/2001-15:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: I VERY rarely run my DW without me in at least ear shot--usually am online while it's running. Even through dry cycle, hear the noises of the timer advancing. Siiiggggghhhhh!

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Post# 4230-8/30/2001-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Filtrator weight
MESSAGE: Ok, all you subject matter experts: What is the weight and dimentions of a mid-60's Filtrator dryer? Thanks for your help and expertise...

-ph

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Post# 4231-8/30/2001-15:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Forced-Air Drying)
MESSAGE: Bob, that's one reason why I like the KA forced-air drying . . . a bit of action even during dry!

BTW, the DishDrawer also has a drying fan, according to the usage manual, which can be downloaded in .pdf format at . . . (link below) . . . click on the "Use & Care" section . . . then right-click and Save-As on the desired manual.
LINK: http://usa.fisherpaykel.com

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Post# 4232-8/30/2001-16:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Just in case you might care, I've had over 17 inches of rain since Sunday evenining, 7 inches today.

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Post# 4233-8/30/2001-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Oh, Bob, we've had quite a bit, but I don't think it's 17 inches yet!  I don't follow the weather reports (can't do anything about it anyway!), but I was told it is expected to continue through the weekend.  I did manage to get my yard mowed a couple days before it started.

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Post# 4234-8/30/2001-17:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Well, my Lawnmower died right before Minnie and I haven't even been able to get it in the shop yet, partly because I forget to call, and now because of the rain.

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Post# 4235-8/30/2001-17:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Memories!)
MESSAGE: YES! I never thought I'd hear those clicks and grinds again. I have vivid memories of the buzzer, spin and agitation sounds. Thank you so much!

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Post# 4236-8/30/2001-18:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN (update)
MESSAGE: The news said Temple got 9-13 inches today of rain, the 13 was recorded at the small airport 2 miles from my house. Waco got 1.5 inches. More rain for tonight & tomorrow.

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Post# 4237-8/30/2001-19:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: Fabric weave or knit, size of the threads or yarn and the number of the of the threads per square inch will differ greatly in the type of garment or item being washed. Terry cloth (there are many variations of this weave) is typically a very dense weave which allows it to hold a lot more water - and soap scuz.



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Post# 4238-8/30/2001-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: My D/D Whirly has an OOB switch but sadly no buzzer. It just stops. I seem to remember my grandmother's 196? kenmore didn't have an OOB switch or it was disabled. I used to move the clothes to one side just to make a shake hard (poor washer).

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Post# 4239-8/30/2001-19:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: 1965 Frigidaire DCIF-65

Height to top of control panel: 44 7/8"
Width of Cabinet: 27"
Depth of Cabinet: 26 1/4"

Net Weight: 186 lbs.

Ozone Lamp, drum lamp and at the rear of the drum, in the center you will find the sprinkler injector nozzle.


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Post# 4240-8/30/2001-20:21 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (me too)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn, cause my last name is definatly a Czechoslovakian one!!!! Take care! Steve D

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Post# 4241-8/30/2001-20:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: R U serious??!  I've never seen a "modern" Whirlpool with an OOB!  After those vintage models like Robert has (with the mechanical linkage that pops out the timer), I thought OOB was exclusive to Sears.

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Post# 4242-8/30/2001-20:39 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Yup, the early (1986/87) Kenmore direct-drive 90 series had the off-balance switch and so does the current 'Catalyst' machines.

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Post# 4243-8/30/2001-20:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: SRVAA designation
MESSAGE: Is this new to the 'home' page today? Seems like it was not there earlier today. Or maybe I'm just not so observant!!

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Post# 4244-8/30/2001-20:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Yes, Leslie, but I think JasonL is talking about a Whirlpool Design2000 model.  (Jason, yes?)  The early Design2000 machines we sold when I worked for the Whirlpool dealer (model LB5500-something-or-other, I think) didn't have an OOB, and even the TOL belt-drive LFA9800 that my neighbor had didn't have an OOB.

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Post# 4245-8/30/2001-21:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Maybe it doesn't)
MESSAGE: I put some clothes in it on one side and it didn't stop. I don't know why it stopped the other day for just a few towels out of balance. Maybe the pen cap came loose.

The pen cap is what I stick in the hole where the door switch is.

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Post# 4246-8/30/2001-21:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Glenn, your right, he did say Whirlpool d-d. I'm thinking the off balance switch was sort of a Kenmore feature. Although who knows...through the years anything is/was possible. But rather doubtful for a Whirlpool. Other than the Catalyst now! Hopefully, Jason will give us a clarification. P.S. the Calypso and the HE3 & t have ways of dealing with oob, but can ultimately end with an 'ob' code in the display if the machine can't balance itself. It's done via the electonic controls. No off balance switch.

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Post# 4247-8/30/2001-21:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Hey, Steve, you have any pictures of your stuff?  I'd like to see the 1966 and 1975 Frigidaires, and that top-loading KA dishwasher.

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Post# 4248-8/30/2001-21:35 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (....maybe...)
MESSAGE: hey, I'm one of the slower computer guys here; I do have some on a photo thingy I will try to send to you! SteveD

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Post# 4249-8/30/2001-21:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (F&P OOB)
MESSAGE: My F&P has a traditional OOB switch, a lever that sticks down from the control panel area at the right rear corner.  It has two OOB modes.  Regular mode has it try to spin three times, after which it stops and beeps for help.  Auto-recovery mode has it try three times, then it fills and agitates to redistribute the load, then it tries to spin three times again.  If it still fails, then it beeps.  I have it on the auto mode, but have had an OOB situation only once, with a single cotton blanket.

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Post# 4250-8/30/2001-21:41 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Glenn, hopefully the pics came thru....SteveD

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Post# 4251-8/30/2001-22:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Yes, got the pics, saved 'em to my drive.  Thanks!  Would like to see the controls and inside (bottom) of the KA, also.

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Post# 4252-8/30/2001-00:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Can you post the pics for us all to see?



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Post# 4253-8/30/2001-00:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Well, after a harrowing experience in plumbing (never had this much trouble, the North Laundry room went perfect - no leaks ever) I finally got the cold water pipe and hose bibs sealed up and working. I leveled and hooked up the Duomatic and did a load of towels which are drying now. What a wonderful machine that is - the sounds and suds splashing on the window, I love it all and can't wait until morning when I can use my condenser dried towel - with a soft, vintage Downey scent!

Here is a link to the pics of the Duomatic in case some haven't seen it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.dnm=Painted+and+Ready+to+Run.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4254-8/31/2001-02:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (me too)
MESSAGE: Ever seen "To the manor born"? I hear mrs Polouvichka (called mrs Pooh by Audrey fforbes Hamilton): "Back in old Czechoslovakia...".

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Post# 4255-8/31/2001-05:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Glenn, good that the tank is clear of deposits. The surfaces you are talking about are rough in comparison to the porcelain and would attract more deposits and show them since they are dark. Heaters are especially prone to this, not only are they dark, but getting hot in the various detergent solutions, they etch some and attract the minerals. You should see heaters in old machines that stayed on through drains and fills; they really get rough looking. The dark plastic in the wash arm hub likewise would etch with time and probably look worse than it really is mineral-wise. You can lift out these parts except the heater to treat outside the tank, but it would be best not to subject the porcelain and various emtal parts to more of the acid treatment. I figured a laundry guru like you would know about the slippery water test. Maybe the FP agitation just does not make suds with a load of clothes. Have a great weekend. Tom

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Post# 4256-8/31/2001-05:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (FP dish drawer)
MESSAGE: Has anyone here used one of these much? We saw them at the KBIS. I wonder why CU gave them such poor wash ratings.

Jason told me something interesting. You might remember that he had one of the newest KA DWs and, like John's, it was prone to leaving little gifts of food in funny places. Well, he gave that macine to a friend and got an older WP that would take the newer (with the fine filter), but not newest form of the WP dishwasher pump, the one that will take either the WP or KA wash arm with the wide hub to cover the fine filter. He tried it with both. The KA was quieter, but the WP washed cleaner. I wonder if the water force in the newer pump is insufficient to fill all 4 arms of the hydro sweep and still have the necessary force to blast dirt away. Tom

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Post# 4257-8/31/2001-05:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: Greg, my DCI-60 has that sprinkler and the little drawer you pull out to fill the sprinkler looks like a dashboard ashtray in the console. TT

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Post# 4258-8/31/2001-05:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: SRVAA designation (SRVAA)
MESSAGE: Leslie, it was decided between Jon and Robert that the club would be given as the sponsor of the website and Robert said he would add it the first chance he got. TT

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Post# 4259-8/31/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (WP OOB Switch)
MESSAGE: WP brand machines, with the exception of both combo designs did not use OOB switches. Tom

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Post# 4260-8/31/2001-06:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (FP dish drawer)
MESSAGE: Tom, I brought this up at brunch Sun. morning. Cal's partner, Jeff or John (brain weakness here) said that the KA & the WP had the same number of holes in the wash arm. KA's just had 4 areas to get water to, the WP, just 2. So, the performance "should" be the same. However, I've had this thought, that's why I asked him. But, your theory still makes perfectly good sense to me. Have a great weekend. Bob

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Post# 4261-8/31/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Glenn, somewhere on the old club Steve posted pics of his stuff downstairs. What is it about those of us of more recent European extraction and our downstairs kitchens? John has customers with beautifully remodeled upstairs kitchens and then a basement kitchen/dining/family room where all the action takes place. I remember when we visited my mom's parents in Milwaukee that there was a nice Kelvinator electric range upstairs where most meals were cooked, but when they did sauerkraut, it was cooked downstairs on the hotplate in the laundry area of the basement. I guess so that the smell could pervade the whole house. TT

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Post# 4262-8/31/2001-06:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Greg, have you noticed the two different heights of the baffles in the Duomatic? It was a Bendix feature after they went to the newer tub in the early 50s. I still remember the thrill of getting Brenda after a long search in the late 60s. I had to install her at the house of the doctor's family with whom I spent a lot of time. They had a gas KM dryer next to the water heater so the place for the electric dryer between the washer and the sink was Brenda's home for a few years. I can still hear her sounds echoing through the downstairs. TT

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Post# 4263-8/31/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (4 way vs 2 way)
MESSAGE: Bob, in the days before water was getting rationed in the machines, the WP wash arm was fatter. Then it was flattened so that it would hold less water when the machines like the power clean module ones used lower fills. I think they were able to cope with lower water consumption better than KA's design. Best holiday weekend wishes to you, too. Be careful building that ark and remember, two of each kind of appliance. TT

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Post# 4264-8/31/2001-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: It's fun to imagine the GM Frigidaire design department - I'll bet it was a fun place to work everyday - until it was overrun by the barbarians from WCI.

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Post# 4265-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: My mother's boss years ago was Italian and had a huge family and many family gatherings all centered around wonderful cooking and huge amounts of food. The first time I remember going to their house I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Their house was built in the early 60's and the kitchen was gray and turquoise with I believe Westinghouse appliances. We went for dinner and of course, there was nobody in the upstairs kitchen. We trudged down to the basement where there was another complete kitchen that had been moved from their previous home complete with metal cabinets and the old gas range. I asked why they weren't using the pretty kitchen upstairs and was told by their son (my age) that they almost never used it. That would be a great house to buy now - a perfectly preserved kitchen. I see lots of 2nd kitchens at sales too.

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Post# 4266-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Pictures and videos
MESSAGE: Here's the very beginning of my pics and videos collection. The videos run in Microsoft Media Play 7.0. They're 200k/sec so if you're on dialup, you need to right-click and save the file. If you have cable/dsl/t1 it will stream. Anyway, the only video I have right now is my Whirly spin-draining. More pics coming soon.

Also, some roller coaster videos are on their way, for those of you who like roller coasters.

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Post# 4267-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Videos link here
MESSAGE: oops
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 4268-8/31/2001-08:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: Gratzi, Greg!

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Post# 4269-8/31/2001-08:40 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Forced-Air Drying)
MESSAGE: I also love to sitting in the living room or den and listening to the increment clicks every minute of my '56 Frigidaire DW that's in the kitchen. At first, it was sort of strange hearing those clicks without any other cycle noise during the dry cycle. This was the first dishwasher I ever encountered to be old enough the have a click timer.

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Post# 4270-8/31/2001-08:45 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: I don't believe that Whirlpool ever used an unbalanced switch of any kind on any of their machines with the exception of the ones that kicked out the timer knob from the early 50's. Of course they made Kenmore ones that way, and I'm not sure about Inglis, but the WP brand itself never had the switch/buzzer.

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Post# 4271-8/31/2001-08:47 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: SRVAA designation
MESSAGE: Yes, I changed that yesterday. And for those who don't know, if you scroll to the bottom of our home page you will see what SRVAA stands for.

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Post# 4272-8/31/2001-09:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: Greg, I was invited to a party at a very nice home in Atlanta in what had been a Jewish neighborhood and was now a very nice expensive neighborhood into which Gays and Lesbians were moving. The hairdressers had remodeled the kitchen in 75 or 76 with boring stuff and gas cooking, but downstairs was the old kitchen with the beautiful GE 40" range and the KDS 14, the first or second one I had ever touched and the metal cabinets. I would have preferred using the old kitchen any day over what they put in, even down in the basement. A basement kitchen for big or special cooking operations like canning, or holiday baking and candy making is a real plus. You don't have to fight for space with everyday meal preparation. TT

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Post# 4273-8/31/2001-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: The other benefit of these "basement kitchens" is that they don't heat the rest of the house during hot weather.

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Post# 4274-8/31/2001-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: What is the agitator in this washer? Is this a "Design 2000" model? My folks had that model in their Arizona home and it also had this same 1 piece agitator. These are the only direct drive machines I have seen that don't have two piece dual action type agitators. Thanks for the video Jason. Scott

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Post# 4275-8/31/2001-12:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: It's a Super Surgilator agitator. It is actually 2-piece. The filter is on the top piece and you have to pull it off to clean the filter. I thought all WP's were supposed to have a Magic Clean filter, but my mom's belt drive WP had a "waterfall" filter (like Uni's Lady K). Oddly enough, my mom's original Kenmore 800 had a Magic Clean

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Post# 4276-8/31/2001-12:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Design 2000)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's a Design2K. I think second generation because it doesn't spin-drain (according to some earier posts)

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Post# 4277-8/31/2001-14:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Scott, the original Whirlpool Design2000 did not have a dual-action agitator.  It was a one-piece, with four vanes on the skirt.

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Post# 4278-8/31/2001-14:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Highway 59 and Farm-to-Market roads are closing at bridge crossings, schools are being let out.

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Post# 4279-8/31/2001-14:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: GREAT VIDEO, Jason!

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Post# 4280-8/31/2001-15:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Dishracks in the backyard)
MESSAGE: Wow Glenn, storms like that can be really cool to watch! Ooohh, maybe you should get some vintage dishwasher racks and load them up with dirty dishes and place them in the backyard for some really ecological dishwashing.

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Post# 4281-8/31/2001-15:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Dishracks in the backyard)
MESSAGE: Critters are coming out as well.  I saw a three-foot snake crossing my road last night, frogs are everywhere, and I heard somebody killed 6 snakes.

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Post# 4282-8/31/2001-15:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: WOW Glenn. Just pulled Houston Channel 2 doppler out. Looks like you're getting what we had yesterday, so to speak. Nice and dense rain from just south of Houston to Victoria. Right in your area, sorry to hear it. We've just had 6/100 of an inch today.

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Post# 4283-8/31/2001-15:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: I don't know folks, with all the rain we've had here this week, we may just end up breaking off into the Gulf of Mexico--NOT. But, as you saw, I had serious rain here this week and now Glenn is too. The Texas Contingentcy is getting much needed rain, but too much, too soon.

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Post# 4284-8/31/2001-15:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: I had another person bidding right along with me right up to the last minute. In the end, I lost by 5 cents. Never had that happen before, it was alot of fun, but DAMMIT, I LOST!!! WAHHHHH!!!

-ph

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Post# 4285-8/31/2001-15:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: That's true, Jason. I think by the late 60s very few Sears machines had manual waterfall lint filters. Whirlpool-brand machines are often never quite as feature-rich as the Sears machines, and it seemed to me that Sears always had more of "extras" like the self-cleaning filter, lighted dryer drums, second rinse switches, etc. spread more throughout the entire line rather than just on the upper end models. Perhaps it was the sheer volume of machines they purchased from Whirlpool and in turn sold that they were able to offer that.

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Post# 4286-8/31/2001-16:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry Peter. I gues that other person is tickled pink to get it.

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Post# 4287-8/31/2001-16:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: Scott, it was all part of Sears marketing might and the way they could differentiate between KM & WP.

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Post# 4288-8/31/2001-16:29 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Congrats, Greg, on getting everything running. I love your Bendix. Neighbors had that model when I was a kid and I always thought it was so cool...I loved the twist-knob in the center of the door. I never got to see or hear it run. They did not have any children and I don't know that they ever did laundry. Maybe they ran it while they slept.

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Post# 4289-8/31/2001-17:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: I never finished my WP off balance story last night - I had a heavy throw rug and an old beach towel that we keep outside for Jack (a.k.a. Digger) and knowing it was going to go off balance, I stayed in the room for each spin. It indeed went off balance and I let it run for a few seconds to see what it would do. It started to bang around and then I heard the solenoid click and rotation stopped for about 5 seconds and then the solenoid engaged the spin again. I stopped it and adjusted the load and it ran fine from then on. It was odd! After the WP finished, I ran it through a rinse & spin in the Maytag and it didn't go off balance at all, which is also strange.

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Post# 4290-8/31/2001-17:10 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Happy Holiday Weekend!!!
MESSAGE: Hi to you all

After two weeks of late nights , early mornings and as many deadlines, finally cleared the decks and normality ensues, till when not sure , but thats being self employed for you...

Finally wrapped up for the weekend and remembered its your labour day holiday weekend, so to all of you "ENJOY"

Am going to spend the weekend catching up with the posts responding to mails and loading the last pics on line,

To start my weekend I`ve just seen the first viewing of the new AB FAB series, lots of IT girls , GAY boys and BOTOX injections for the wrinklies, just the tonic needed...

I`m just putting a Gin to the tonic and cheers to you all enjoy the holiday!!!

Mike

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Post# 4291-8/31/2001-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: Greg, I always had a more difficult time getting Maytags to get oob than either Whirlpools or Kenmores, even with mixed loads of hseets & towels--what I determined was a "no-no" in the KM. It also had the same result on our 1964 neutral-drain norge. I think having a non-neutral drain does help get the load over its more "rough" spots at slower spin because of all the water in the tub, plus as it spins more moisture is released from the fabrics, thus less weight on the "bad" side.

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Post# 4292-8/31/2001-17:16 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (Next Time)
MESSAGE: Peter
Sorry to hear about the filtrator....

Was it someone else from the club who bid or dont you know. Mike

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Post# 4293-8/31/2001-17:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: My office is in a building on a corner in the middle of town.  Potential for flooding, due to city drainage problems.  The building hasn't had water in it for several years, but it HAS happened. We've got 19 computers back here, 14 on the floor.  I have a stack of blocks ready to get 'em up!  It has only been drizzling thus far today, but there's no telling may happen.

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Post# 4294-8/31/2001-17:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Freak flash )
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

We had a freak storm hear this morning, only three inches though but landed pretty quick, even the dogs took turn and fled from their walk, running back to the house on their own!!!

Are the rains not normally this early for you in the season???

Mike

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Post# 4295-8/31/2001-17:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

Hope you dont need to many sand bags and make sure you got your back-ups done!!!

Have just seen your pics and video clips.. wicked.. well done..I thought I`d taken more than I did but with you doing your David Bailey routine you did a better job... have you posted Saturday nights yet??

Mike

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Post# 4296-8/31/2001-17:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Freak flash )
MESSAGE: Mike, July & August are traditionally our driest months of the year. I just got my water bill for the month of late july through late august, I used 23,500 gallons, mostly for watering my "garden" as you refer to it, I call it a yard. Rain starts happening again in Sept and moreso in Oct. I usually wait to turn off the auto sprinkler system in early November though. This year we've had an average wet year, but I'll have to look in the paper for hte last few days to see how we fare now. I really didn't start using the sprinklers until late may or early june this year. Last year, with the El Nino induced drought here, I started watering in April & didn't stop until October. Had my first ever $100 water bill then. The storm Glenn is getting is one, when I arrived at work this morning, was told it was coming north from San Antonio to here, but I'm glad it decided to head east toward Glenn's area.

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Post# 4297-8/31/2001-17:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Haven't had a chance to get anything pulled together for the rest of the pictures and clips, but rest assured that I will as soon as I can.  The boss left on an extended road-trip earlier this week, and I've had some troubles to deal with.  Plus the weather, it's end-of-month for the books at two jobs, and my grandmother had a mild stroke last Friday.  Whew!

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Post# 4298-8/31/2001-17:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Mike, I don't think he's had the time to post Saturday nights yet. Am anxious to see them, I know he took some of me. Because I missed out on Friday night, I still feel left out by simpoly not being in any pics (I know it's selfish, but I've been sending copies of the few pics with me to my parents so they could experience what I got to also). With me standing at the Hotpoint washer, I was able to point out to my parents the Frigidaire washers in the background and literally tell them who had the exact same models in my parents circle of friends. I thought that was kinda cool.

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Post# 4299-8/31/2001-17:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Glenn, sorry to hear about your grandmother. And the rest of the stuff, whew. I'm lookiing at more ominous dark rain clouds as we type!!! Yikes!!!

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Post# 4300-8/31/2001-18:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again! (Running while sleeping....)
MESSAGE: Unless the Duomatic was in another wing of the mansion, you couldn't sleep while it was running - the fill, intermediate spin and full speed spin are much to loud!

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Post# 4301-8/31/2001-18:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: When my mother re-married in 1986, the house they bought had a full kitchen in the basement - I should dig out pics. We added my grandparent's gas Tappan range, WCI-Coronado refrigerator and our own Maytag ('81) portable dishwasher to complete the appliance needs. I lived there a very short time before buying my townhouse and had my Hoover Portable Deluxe washer and Maytag porta-dry (which to everyone's dismay I used constantly) to make a wonderful hodge-podge of appliances.

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Post# 4302-8/31/2001-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (KM/WP agitators)
MESSAGE: The low end "Galaxy" KM washer and BOL WP and Roper machines all 24" had the straight vane agitator with huge fins poking out of the barrel center. I had one of these machines and I always wanted to cut off those obtrusive fins, but I figured they were for more water action at the top of the tub which was quite deep but narrow. Seemed to do an OK job cleaning, but there was that pesky neutral drain and it was rather boring to watch overall. I had suds lock in that machine more than any other I've owned including the Hoover.

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Post# 4303-8/31/2001-19:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: The KM version was gold and had a lint filter at the bottom - Robert posted a picture of one in the Agitator Quiz series he did, don't remember which one though. I found another one of these in Rockford - not the best pic here though.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/May+2001++-++A+Speed+Queen+Story&.dnm=Box-O-Frigidaire.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4304-8/31/2001-19:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: That sucks - if there's something I really want, I put the high bid in within about 45-30 seconds left in the auction. Doesn't give a lot of time for another bidder to reload the page and get another bid in before the bell rings.

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Post# 4305-8/31/2001-19:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: If Whirlpool ever had a filter in a DD agitator, I missed it.  The first D2K had the under-basket filter, same as they do now, to the best of my knowledge.

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Post# 4306-8/31/2001-19:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Would the WP agitator have had the filter screen on the inside like they do now in the 24" Thin Twin?

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Post# 4307-8/31/2001-19:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holiday Weekend!!!
MESSAGE: Your Gin of choice?

Glad to see you back on the board - Greg


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Post# 4308-8/31/2001-20:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Yes, but the agitator was bigger. I have one somewhere around here, I'll try to find it and take a pic.

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Post# 4309-8/31/2001-22:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Mine has it)
MESSAGE: My agitator has the filter in it. The top pulls right off and the filter is underneath. When I got the washer, the filter was missing and I had to order a whole new top piece. The filter traps lint pretty good and I have to clean it after every load especially the whites.

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Post# 4310-8/31/2001-23:44 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: I'm hoping for nice weather this weekend. Rhinnie and I are joining some of the boys this weekend at the 'camp' ground.

See you Monday!

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://www.camptheriversedge.com/intro.htm

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Post# 4311-8/31/2001-01:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Maybe we should have our next convention here - we wouldn't even need washers with "clothing optional!"

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Post# 4312-9/1/2001-03:17 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: "For Your New Modern Life"
MESSAGE: That was the slogan on the front of a 1996 Japanese refrigerator at a job site there I once visited.

FOR YOUR NEW MODERN LIFE

it said... many Japanese products have these strange almost-real-english phrases on them. I don't know if they are literal translations from the Japanese or a collection of english words they thought sounded nice and inoffensive.

Anyway, it was a sort of retro design, so that's the connection to vintage appliances...




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Post# 4313-9/1/2001-04:58 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Camp Ahoy)
MESSAGE: Steve & Rhinnie

This place looks FAB. Enjoy the holiday, so much to do party, bingo , disco and relax and with friends we dont have places like this here, just rainbow warrior camps!!!!

Look forward to catching up about the AEG(one of the first models I ever sold)

Enjoy, Mike

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Post# 4314-9/1/2001-04:59 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Log-Jam)
MESSAGE: Only if you promise to re-inact the snow picture!!!!

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Post# 4315-9/1/2001-07:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: new member
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Rich! I see you finally made the step.


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Post# 4316-9/1/2001-08:43 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Barbara Eden ....bio
MESSAGE: At 8p.m. ET tonight, the A & E channel is showing for the benefit of "I Dream of Jeannie" junkies; Barbara' biography! It early enough in the evening for all the club kids to still go out and party as well! Have a great holiday weekend!

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Post# 4317-9/1/2001-08:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Oh Behave!)
MESSAGE: Barbara Eden.. hubba hubba... shall we shag now or shag later?

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Post# 4318-9/1/2001-09:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Laundry)
MESSAGE: If it's a nudist camp, why do they have washing machines there? ;-)

Have a great time.

I went camping last week and they had Speed Queen washers and dryers. Stainless steel is a beautiful thing.

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Post# 4319-9/1/2001-09:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (WOW, I'm impressed with the quality)
MESSAGE: Jason, that video was VERY interesting for two reasons! First I have never seen a non-dual action agitator DD-WP or DD-KN in action before.

Secondly the video quality and size were both wonderful. How did you produced that WMV file? What software did you use? Its a large, clear, picture, 1.5 minutes in length and only 2.5MB in size. I would love to be able to produce files like this as they would be perfect for so many videos of machines and vintage commercials I want to put on our web site.

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Post# 4320-9/1/2001-09:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: That was a great video - is this a large capacity machine or the super capacity size?


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Post# 4321-9/1/2001-09:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: These are great - I love the red shirt to see the turn over and add color to the spin blur!

The net camera that I bought forever ago and never used (it's hooked up and works) has the capability to produce video up to two minutes, but no sound to go along with it. I may have to try it out on the '68 Rollermatic with the three ring agitator - another thing to do!

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Post# 4322-9/1/2001-10:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Sounds like one of my favorite ideas, But then again, it defeats the purpose of generating laundry. Such a dilemma. At least, we'll have towels LOL

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Post# 4323-9/1/2001-11:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Video)
MESSAGE: Here's the setup. I have a Sony DCR-TRV120 Digital8 camcorder sitting on a tripod. The legs of the tripod was touching the washer, that's why it started to shake in the video. I got it in the computer using Pinnacle StudioDV. From there, I made an AVI file which was about 150meg (ouch). Then I used Microsoft Windows Media Encoder. You can download this from www.windowsmedia.com. In the encoder, I selected the file (whirly.avi) and used Video For Broadband 256k codec. That codec gives you a small size without reducing too much quality. I upload the file to Yahoo and voila! Instant streaming or downloading. The sound is great. You can hear the water flowing through the pipe and you can also hear the washing machine's motor and clutch.

Windows media is better than Real Producer at the same bitrate.

Also, there's an advanced setting in Windows media encoder for De-Interlace, this also increases frame rate.

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Post# 4324-9/1/2001-11:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Large Capacity)
MESSAGE: That's a large capacity (what it says on the panel). The tub is tall and skinny. A spin drain with a full load of clothes in there is awesome to watch. The clothes come out plastered against the entire wall of the tub (like a Frigidaire or Maytag) Unfortunately, my video camera is at work so I couldn't capture it.

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Post# 4325-9/1/2001-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Rare washer)
MESSAGE: So I guess I have a rare washing machine. Hmmm, so it IS a classic. You'd think I would have payed hundreds for this machine but actually, a guy from work gave it to me as a housewarming gift. I had to buy a new filter for it and it was ready to shake, rattle and roll.

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Post# 4326-9/1/2001-16:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (I can't wait to try it)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much Jason. I also have a tripod and Sony Video Camera and I use a special converter to get the NTSC analog video into a digital format and onto my computer. I've tried all the options for producing smaller size videos in my software but I've never been able to achieve a good frame rate and small file size like I saw in your video. All my software can produce is MPEG files which I know are larger than necessary. When I return home I will download the Microsoft Windows Media Encoder software from the link you provided. I took some video during the convention, so it might be fun to post some of that too.

Neal and I are spending the holiday weekend up at his parents Lake Cabin in North Central Minnesota so I will give this a try when we return home on Monday.



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Post# 4327-9/1/2001-16:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (Welcome Rich)
MESSAGE: Thanks Spambdamn and Welcome to Applianceville. Now we have again another Rich in the club.

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Post# 4328-9/1/2001-17:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Jeannie Bottles)
MESSAGE: Sounds like fun, I'll have to catch it. Jeannie was always one of my favorite shows as a kid. I don't know if any of you convention 'goers notice the Jeannie bottles that I was using for vases for the sunflowers on the food table in the basement.

In 1964 Jim Beam produced those bottles for their whisky, then in 1965 the producers of I Dream of Jeannie had one of those bottles painted and used it in the TV Series for Jeannie’s Bottle. Those bottles are somewhat rare and are worth $60-$80
on eBay, but so far I have found three of them at the estate sales. The most I paid for one was $5. Boy I love estate sales!

Here is what they looked like...

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/convention01/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone+%26+Uni%27s+Convention+Photos+Part+1&.dnm=01+The+Spread.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4329-9/1/2001-17:38 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (Japanese slogans; Welcome spambdamn)
MESSAGE: Re: Japanese slogans; in the past, I used to shop at the Yaohan store in downtown L.A.'s Little Tokyo. Downstairs was their supermarket, and upstairs was their department store, with Zojirushi electronic rice cookers, buckwheat pillows, sheets for futons, etc. My favorite section was the housewares department, where they had a set of pots and pans emblazoned with "Joyful Living". They also had other various slogans (which I can't remember now) on things like plastic food storage containers, and stationery supplies like notebooks.

Re: Rich aka spambdamn: Hi there! Glad we've got another Californian here!

Janet

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Post# 4330-9/1/2001-18:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Let's ride a roller coaster.
MESSAGE: Check out my videos. This is one I made at Lake Conneaut, PA. The coaster is a 1938 Blue Streak designed by Ed Vettel, Sr. Check out the "Calypso" action of the Wipeout ride.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 4331-9/1/2001-18:33 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Okay boys and girls, please put on your thinking caps; I have a history question for you. When were motorized washing machines first invented?

This morning, I was looking through an old (September 1908) Ladies Home Journal, and found something quite interesting: an advertisement for a Coffield Power Washer.

I don't know how well it would scan even if I had a scanner, as the ad is only about as wide as a column from a newspaper, and only about 4" long. The type font is mostly the size of newspaper printing, but at times is much smaller. The ad is in black & white.

The text reads:

"Make Your Clothes Wear Twice as Long.
One woman writes, 'It's wonderful they way it saves my clothes. They wear twice as long. I never realized before how much harm rubbing did.'
Treat your clothes right.
The new Coffield Power Washer washes entirely without rubbing. You turn the faucet, it does the washing--you do nothing but rinse and hang out. Gets your clothes spotless without the wear and tear that ruins them. Saves you, saves time and pays for itself many times over by the wonderful saving on the clothes.
Don't be deceived by imitations.
Let our nearest dealer put a Coffield in and do your next washing for you. If we have no dealer in your town, we will ship direct, satisfaction guaranteed. If you don't like it, you don't have to pay for it. If you haven't city water, it can be used by hand. Don't say it can't be done, don't wait. Write for illustrated book today.
P.T. Coffield & Son 1104-1114 E. 5th St. Dayton, O."

There are two small pictures.

The larger picture shows the machine, a square box with a rounded bottom; a motor on one side; four legs (two with casters). There is one hose hooked up to a faucet over a laundry sink and attached to the motor, and another hose coming out of the motor going into the sink. There is an arrow pointing to the motor and the comment "This Motor Runs it."
The machine is a top loader, with what appears to be an H axis drum.

The inset picture is entitled "The Cylinder (Inside)". The inset picture is about the size of a Sacajawea dollar coin. It shows a top view of the opened machine, revealing the drum, which they call "The Cylinder". There is an arched flip-up top to the "Cylinder" (sorry boys, no window!) and there are what appears to be 4 vanes inside (2 on the motor side, and 2 on the opposite side). I do not see any electrical cords; however, if there were some, they may have been cropped out of the picture. I don't see any large hand cranks, although it looks like there may be a short lever to the left of the "Motor". I assume that part of the "Motor" must be a pump.

Has anyone ever seen or heard of this machine before? Did it run on electricity? TIA
Janet Planet

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Post# 4332-9/1/2001-18:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented? (First washers)
MESSAGE: I'm thinking around 1900's decade is when they came out. Maytag had a gas powered washing machine. There was also a semi-automatic "Laun-Dry-Ette" which could agitate and spin as well.
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com/

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Post# 4333-9/1/2001-18:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Sounds like it may be water-powered.

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Post# 4334-9/1/2001-19:17 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented? (Thanks to jasonl & DADoES)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
Thanks for your comment; I thought of that possibility as well.
Jason:
Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it for future perusal.
They had Coffields, but none of them looked like the one in my magazine. The Coffields at the Antique Washing Machine Museum were all copper tubs and were not as old as the one in the magazine.

The magazine advertisement is not in color, and does not say what the machine is made of, but it looks like the square box-like upper part could be wood with metal reinforcement on the corners, as well as wooden legs.
I would guess that the rounded inner drum and the outer drum were made of some kind of metal, since I don't see any slats in the drawing, just what appears to be possibly a welded seam.

When I have a little more time, I'm going to go back to the link and see if I see anything else in a different brand that looks similar to it.

Thanks again guys!

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Post# 4335-9/1/2001-19:51 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott! Are you the same as Scott1 over on THS?


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Post# 4336-9/1/2001-19:55 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Eden to Herman)
MESSAGE: This is off-topic, but I found a Pee-Wee Herman pink plastic lunch box with thermos at a rummage sale a few years ago. Nobody wanted it because it was right after his arrest in that movie theatre. Is it worth anything?


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Post# 4337-9/1/2001-21:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis 8600
MESSAGE: Hi all!
Well, I finally went to Sears today and purchased my Maytag Atlantis MAV8600W. She's a beauty with a gleaming stainless steel tub. The Atlantis MAV9600 is the 'energy saver' model and it is identical to the 8600. For some reason the 9600's energy consumption is considerably less however the features are almost identical. Ive gotten mixed information on the reason the 9600is called the 'energy efficient' model. Anyway, I hope I made the right decision with the new Atlantis which I chose over the T-O-L electronic Catalyst Kenmore. It should be arriving this week!

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Post# 4338-9/1/2001-21:45 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens...)
MESSAGE: Tom, my experience has only been with my Italian friends, not the Eastern Euro bunch. Actually, we even call them "Italian kitchens" around here. And although mine is an official "Italian kitchen" (Italian bf/partner), my family always had an extra range/oven, fridge in the basement, as well as a portable dishwasher. There are 7 kids in my family, and a typical holiday meal, usually with immediate family only, is about 30 people - so we needed both kitchens! But I grew up in an Italian neighborhood where everyone cooked on the old gas range from their previous house. SteveD

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Post# 4339-9/1/2001-21:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: I had a great-aunt who, when they finally built a "modern" house (nice house!) with an electric kitchen (but no dishwasher), had her old gas range installed in a room at the rear of the garage, complete with refrigerator, sink, cabinets, etc., for her baking.

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Post# 4340-9/1/2001-22:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Pee Wee's Box)
MESSAGE: Have you searched ebay for it? I'll bet you'll find other Pee Wee stuff as well, there were dolls and other toys from his career before people realized that was indeed human and had a pee pee. :-)

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Post# 4341-9/1/2001-23:00 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (You will enjoy this washer!)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny.
You made a very wise choice in buying the Maytag Atlantis MAV8600 model. My grandmother just bought an Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model. She bought it July 8th of this year.
Her previous washer before the Atlantis was an 5 year old Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus direct drive 80 series model.
She has tested her Atlantis thorouhly by washing everything that you could think of...She is very impressed by the Atlantis. She gives the Atlantis two thumbs up!
Also, The Atlantis washing machine line performs 110% better than the Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines.
I wish you the best of luck with the 8600.
Enjoy your new Atlantis!
Rob
ps= My grandmother's 6200 model operates very quietly especially when compared to her previous Kenmore direct drive washer.


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Post# 4342-9/1/2001-23:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Rich, yes, he's the same one--Scott 1 .... And yes, Rich glad to have you make the switch here. I was wondering how long it was gonna take you fro THS. BTW, I'm the one called boba.

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Post# 4343-9/1/2001-23:14 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny.
I forgot to tell you this=
Whirlpool/Kenmore made an huge mistake by switching all of their washers to direct drive in 1986.
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers are made very cheaply out of thin sheetmetal cabinets and thin plastic outer tubs.
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers uses an unreliable plastic/rubber coupler instead of an old fashioned reliable drive belt.
Rob
ps= 1986-Present Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines are JUNK!!!


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Post# 4344-9/1/2001-23:59 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Yes Rich it is I. The same Scott


SD

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Post# 4345-9/2/2001-02:21 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a city with a lot of old flats with old stoves - generally old Wedgewoods. Some of them would have wood burning capability, pretty cool for a kitchen. The Wedgewood I remember most had a big chrome plated brass griddle in the middle. I loved these old stoves, and didn't find the open burners to be muc of a problem. But generally the oven door was in poor repair and didn't close properly. I imagine these old Wedgewoods, once fixed up, fetch good money.


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Post# 4346-9/2/2001-09:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Hi Rob:
Just wanted to thank you for your input on my Atlantis 8600. I was glad to hear what you had to say and essentially the reasons you gave about the Whirl/Ken. DD are the same reasons I went with Maytag. My mom had an 80 series Kenmore DD and the coupler had to be replace again and again. When she got rid of it, I saw the 'guts' of the unit as it was being taken away. It looked so flimsey and cheap looking. There were no belts and pullys of course but I think those items add the the weight and 'substance' of an automatic washer. Mostly, however, I never liked the overly rapid, very short agitation strokes on the Kenmore DD. My memory of the earlier Whirlpool belt drive is that they had a much slower, longer stroke that really gently rolled the clothes over. And I totally miss the action of the 'waterfall' recirculating filtration that was once used and is now gone on ALL units for cost efficiency.
I know the agitation stroke on the Atlantis is slower and longer (Similiar to the older Whirl/Ken. belt drives). It just seems like a more solid machine. Also, Rob, I really liked the angular (Maytag calls it Contoured) sloping top front of the unit...its quite stylish when paired with the matching dryer. Well thanks again for your vote of confidance. Will let you know how it goes.
Lenny


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Post# 4347-9/2/2001-11:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Lenny, a "heads-up" on one certain component of the Atlantis. Unless Maytag has completely addressed the problem with an improved quality component, do not be surprised if the electronically controlled water temp sensor fails. I have had 3 friends with Atlantis machines with ATC and they've all had their valves fail within 6 months, one within 3 weeks of purchase (bought at Sears) and they had to go to the Maytag dealer here to get the component because they were so backlogged in order. This particular individual has had another one fail too and this is all within the 1st year--freak accidents I hope. Also on their dryer, the metal "clip" as I call it, that helps secure the door shut, was mis-aligned in production and broke off the 3rd month of the machines being in their house. They are no longer Maytag fans.

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Post# 4348-9/2/2001-13:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Uni, on the Bendix Rubber Tub washer you have. How in the world does it work? Is it supposed to squeeze the clothes or something? I've heard it referred to as a "squeeze tub". Or better yet, could you make a video of it in action?

Thanks.

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Post# 4349-9/2/2001-13:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Are the Atlantis dryers made at the Maytag factory or the Norge factory like the washers? I know a couple of people with Atlantis washers that have owned them for several years and love them. One of these has the soap dispenser in the lid which is more fluff than substance, but the experience I've had using the machine has been good.

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Post# 4350-9/2/2001-14:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Jason, that machine is gansky's. He brought it to the convention from Omaha for us to experience. I'm sure Greg will reply to your question when he has a chance. It washes better than a Maytag of the day because of the wider tub. But, you can't see it squeeze because the lid has to be closed and it creates a vaccume that causes the collapsing of the tub. That's essentially what happens, but there's more to it than that.

Bob

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Post# 4351-9/2/2001-15:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Greg, for what it's worth, from what I've read on some other forums, the Atlantis has some components that are produced in Herrin, but are sent to Newton & are asembled with the rest of what's produced in Newton for the Atlantis line. As for the dryers, the only dryers that are still based on the Norge/Tragic Chef heritage are the Performa model(s) that have the model number starting with P. The Performa dryers with, say, LDE, are from the Dependable care heritage. As is all Atlantis & Neptune dryer too. These last examples of dryers have the 6.X cu. ft. drum like mine & your old dryer you sold when you started collecting. The P dryers have the 7.0 cu. ft. drum. I sure wish they'd scrap this 6.X cu. ft. drum and go with the larger size from the Norge heritage, but still keep the component guts of the DC heritage, a more quality dryer. And now, we have Amana in the mix with their 7.3 or 7.4 cu. ft. drums.

Bob

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Post# 4352-9/2/2001-20:58 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: Hi Appnut:
Thanks for your input on my new Atlantis MAV8600. I had a really hard time deciding on which top loader to purchase and I did enough research on all the American brands. I chose Maytag primarily because it just looks solid and sturdy and it is easily available. I was considering a Kenmore Catalyst but it just seemed to looks 'small' inside compared to the Atlantis. Also im not a big fan of direct drive units in general. Also, I would have liked to see a Fisher & Paykel up close and personal but the closest dealer is about 75 miles away. I was concerned about service should I need it if I purchased the machine from a distant dealer. So referring to your comment on the possible faulty temp valve, I THINK I solved this problem by purchasing a Sears service contract along with my Maytag. At least if things should fail, Ill be covered. Thanks again for your response. Lenny

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Post# 4353-9/2/2001-21:04 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (MAV8600 Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
The Maytag Atlantis MAV8600 does have that liquid detergent dispenser in its underside lid. It seems kind of odd and clumsly and it probably will make the lid quite heavy when its filled completely. But it is a fun gadget with a 'dose-scale' slider adjustment. Im a 'bells & whistles' guy so this gadget only added to my interest in the unit. Thanks. Lenny

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Post# 4354-9/2/2001-21:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: Not a problem Lenny, just wanted to give you a "reality" check on the few friends that do have the machines & the problems they've had. But, it's not really a big deal, the Kenmore friends I have with auto temp control (DD units) have all had their valves replaced. It's a matter of the electronics, nothing more. Bob

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Post# 4355-9/2/2001-22:21 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes.
How many loads per week did your grandmother wash in the Design 2000?
How big was her loads?
Did she take good care of the machine?
Did she overload her machine occasionally?
Rob
ps= Its sounds like your grandmother took extra special care of her Design 2000.


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Post# 4356-9/2/2001-22:39 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Appnut's New Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
Are you going to get an Maytag Atlantis washer to replace your 86 DD Lady Kenmore clunker?
My grandmother is very happy with her Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model washer.
I looked through your photo album with the extra large load of towels...The Atlantis washer line is big enough and sturdy enough for your largest laundry loads.
I remember you said something about your sister having an Maytag Atlantis MAV6000 model. Does she still like her Atlantis? Has she had any problems with the washer?
The Atlantis washer line handles bigger loads better than the Dependable Care washer line. The Atlantis also washes better than the Dependable Care.
Rob
ps= The Atlantis line has an 155 degree agitation stroke. It agitates at 92 strokes per minute on high speed. The Atlantis line has an nice slow, long agitation stroke when compared to the WP/KM direct drive washers.

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Post# 4357-9/2/2001-22:47 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: Rob,
You honestly didn’t think you could post crap like this and not get a reply did you?

So please tell me why Whirlpool made a mistake by changing the design of the washers because I fail to see it.

You say:
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers are made very cheaply out of thin sheet metal cabinets and thin plastic outer tubs.

I say: The sheet metal that Maytag uses is the same thickness as Whirlpool. When have you ever seen a Whirlpool Polypropylene outer tub rust? Have you ever seen the tub mounting holes rust causing leaks or damage? How about the center post hole that gets eaten away, seen any of those with the plastic tubs? Have you ever seen the top of a plastic tub crumble in your hands preventing you from replacing the tub ring? Have you ever seen new plastic tubs rust out in less than 2 years because the porcelain did not adhere to the steel? How about the drain hole in the bottom of the plastic tub..have you ever seen one of those rust away causing the machine to leak?

You say:
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers uses an unreliable plastic/rubber coupler instead of an old fashioned reliable drive belt

An old fashioned reliable belt is not that reliable or energy efficient. It stretches which requires tightening. It can separate which requires replacement. It can slip on the pulleys, which causes burning, and glazing of the belt, which causes the belt to wear prematurely. If for some reason the tub or pump should jam on a belt driven machine it could cause the belt to slip and eventually break and/or cause motor or other component failure. This is only a few problems that any machine with a belt will have. I have seen this happen quite often with the Maytag machines. The WPL coupling was made to reduce this wear, to make servicing easier and to make the machine more reliable. If there is a problem with the machine, i.e.: overloading jammed tub, malfunctioning transmission, etc, the coupler is designed to break preventing motor and/or transmission damage.



You also state in a previous post about Whirlpool washers that: The tranny uses plastic gears. Over a period of time, the plastic gears slowly degrade and make the washer very noisy. The old spin-drain tranny with the plastic gears has an estimated lifespan of 5-10 years.

The truth:

There is ONE plastic gear in the Whirlpool tranny. The majority of 20yr Whirlpool DD machines still have the original tranny. Including the commercial machines. The Maytag Atlantis uses ALL plastic gears. The same Atlantis that has had nothing but tranny problems. It is not just on the Atlantis machine, but most of the Maytag line that uses this design tranny. Have you seen Maytag introduce the Atlantis machine to commercial use yet? NO. Maybe it’s because they know there is a reliability issue with the machine.


You say:

ps= 1986-Present Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines are JUNK!!!

I say: This is YOUR opinion. You have the right to your opinion just as everyone else does. However, you need to make sure that you state that this is YOUR opinion. What I listed above is FACT, NOT opinion. I don’t give a rats patootie about opinions. I want facts, and with those facts I can and will draw my own opinion, just as every other red-blooded human should do. I’m sorry, but there simply aren’t enough FACTS to make me believe that the DD Whirlpool machines are junk or of any less quality than Maytag or that Maytag is better than Whirlpool. No matter what may spew forth from your mouth. When you get some years of being a service tech under your belt and have seen what these machines go through on a daily basis, how they hold up and what goes wrong with them, maybe, and I do stress maybe you will be in a better position to offer facts and recommendations to people.



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Post# 4358-9/2/2001-22:49 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM direct drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I forgot to tell you this=
WP/KM direct drive washers has an 100 degree agitation stroke.
It agitates at 180 strokes per minute on high speed.
It agitates at 120 strokes per minute on low speed.
It agitates at 90 strokes per minute on extra low speed.
It spins at 640 rpm on high speed.
It spins at 420 rpm on low speed
It spins at 320 rpm on extra low speed.
Rob


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Post# 4359-9/2/2001-23:03 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM belt drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I forgot to tell you this=
WP/KM belt drive washers has an 195 degree agitation stroke.
It agitates at 68 strokes per minute on high speed.
It agitates at 46 strokes per minute on low speed.
It agitates at 34 strokes per minute on extra low speed.
It spins at 500 rpm on high speed.
It spins at 300 rpm on low speed.
It spins at 200 rpm on extra low speed.
Rob


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Post# 4360-9/2/2001-23:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Hi Jason. I found that rubber tub machine last summer at an Estate Sale. Scott, Gary and I were walking up to the house when I looked all the way into the back yard and saw the big blue opened lid and said to Scott "don't look now but I think there might be a Bendix Rubber Tub back there. So I bought it for $10 and brought it home.

The machine needed some pump work and I had not gotten around to working on it when Greg came and he was really intrigued by it so I gave it to him. He brought it home to Omaha and restored it beautifully. He brought it back to Minneapolis during the convention and left it for me to play with for a while so I can certainly take some video of it in action.

Unfortunately the lid must be closed to suck the air out of the washing chamber. During extration the pump sucks the water and air out of the entire rubber tub assembly, this causes the rubber tub to collapes and presses the clothes against the agitator squeezing the water out of them. We had talked about getting some type of big see-thru glass or plastic salad bowl to view this extraction so I will have to see what I can do so we can film this very unusual machine in action.

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Post# 4361-9/2/2001-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (MAV8600 Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: I've never been a big fan of liquid detergents, but the one that I saw in use wasn't very heavy when filled - seemed balanced OK. The dosage scale is pretty simple - hold the dispense button in until the soap in the window drops to the indicator level you've pre-measured. I too thought the tub was huge looking, especially with the scale of the agitator. The longer, slower stroke should be easier on fabrics too. Enjoy it and let us know what you think!

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Post# 4362-9/2/2001-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM belt drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: For what belt drive machine are you quoting figures for - the large capacity, standard capacity, convertible/portable or the 24" models? Go back to your Tech-Care manuals to about 1957 and read your way through to about the mid 70's, then get back to us.....

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Post# 4363-9/2/2001-23:55 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason.
Here is the reason why I think WP/KM DD washers are junk=
The reason why my grandmother replaced her 1996 Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus direct drive washer with an Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model washer is because the coupler broke.
My grandfather has an repair manual for the WP/KM direct drive washers. I helped my grandfather to put a new coupler on the washer. The cabinet is thin sheet metal which makes an sharp PING noise when rapped on and the outer tub is thin polypropylene which is somewhat flexible when the washer is layed down with the cabinet off for servicing. The coupler is an $8 piece of hard plastic and soft rubber which could break if the washer is overloaded.
The point is this=
My grandmother ALWAYS takes very good care of her appliances.
She NEVER overloaded her DD washer and she NEVER let it spin with an unbalanced load. She thinks that the WP/KM direct drive washer is an very poor design. I also have the same opinion that she does.
Maytag Atlantis=
The cabinet is Quad Coat steel. It is made with thicker sheet metal. The cabinet makes an dull thud noise when rapped on.
The outer tub is made out of Polymer. Polymer is more sturdy than Polypropylene.
The Dual Drive transmission uses plastic gears...The gears are made out of some kind of Co-Polymer. Co-Polymer DOES NOT slowly degrade over time.
The Atlantis uses an reliable drive belt. The drive belt is LESS LIKELY to break if the washer washer was overloaded.
Appliance Magazine=
The Atlantis Dual Drive transmission uses plastic gears made out of Co-Polymer. Co-Polymer gears does not wear out as quickly as steel gears.
Maytag did accelerated lifespan span testing on the Dual Drive transmission.
Maytag did accelerated lifespan testing on the old Norge/Magic Chef transmission with steel gears.
Maytag found out that the Dual Drive transmission with the Co-Polymer gears wear out LESS QUICKLY than the old Norge/Magic Chef transmission with the steel gears.
Maytag also found out that the plastic gears of the Dual Drive transmission eliminated gear noise when agitating and spinning.
Rob
ps= I feel much better now!


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Post# 4364-9/2/2001-00:09 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Norge/Magic Chef washer design)
MESSAGE: Jason=
According to Scottdamit and Tiny325 in our old club on Yahoo, The 1990-Present Norge/Magic Chef design with the nonelectric tub brake has an good repair record.
The Maytag Atlantis washer is the Norge/Magic Chef design with the nonelectric tub brake.
Rob.
ps= I thought you DID NOT like WP/KM direct drive washers.
I thought you liked WP/KM belt drive washers much better.


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Post# 4365-9/2/2001-00:14 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Rob:
That article you are quoting from Appliance Magazine is the exact article that I read when making my decision on the Atlantis. At first, I was not going to consider the Atlantis' dual-drive transmission because of the 'plastic' gears. However the new co-polymer resins have been highly subjected to extensive wear tests and have passed with flying colors. The gearcase uses a light oil, not a thick grease. The oil is compatable with the co-polymer gears to prevent and gear breakdown. I believe the time has come to have an 'open' mind regarding these new age plastics (co-polymers). In the end, these may prove even better than tried (and often failed) metal products. At least we should give these new materials a chance to prove themselves before we dismiss them as 'junk'. Thanks Lenny

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Post# 4366-9/2/2001-00:22 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances)
MESSAGE: Greg=
These figures are for the 1966-1985 large/standard capacity belt drive machines.
I got this information from my local authorized Tech Care service center.
The service center is called Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances.
Rob


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Post# 4367-9/2/2001-00:32 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus washer)
MESSAGE: Jason=
My grandmother's 1996 Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus washer is an 80 series model.
Here is the complete model number=
110.92380200
Rob

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Post# 4368-9/2/2001-00:38 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Hello Lenny.
I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers with my opinions/facts about WP/KM direct drive washers.
I still think that the Maytag Atlantis washer is an very good design and an excellent machine.
I wish you the best of luck with your new Atlantis washer.
Rob

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Post# 4369-9/2/2001-00:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, I can't say for sure how many loads my grandmother does per week, but she washes quite a bit.  She does a lot of baking and always has lots of kitchen towels.

I don't think she particularly overloaded the machine, but I also washed clothes there when I first moved into an apartment and didn't have my own machine, so there were some large loads at times.

She did NOT take extra special care of the machine, but neither did she grossly abuse it.  When she first got it, it was located in an outside building.  She later had some remodeling done on her carport and moved the washer and dryer to a sort of utility room there, but they are still outside the main part of the house, exposed to the foul Texas heat and humidity.  That pretty common here -- lots of people here in older houses have their washers and dryers in their garages or a shed or other type of outside building.

Also, there was some flooding in my grandmother's neighborhood at one time, and the Design 2000 washer and her 1972 Whirlpool dryer (in the carport utility room) were standing in several inches of water (maybe up to a six or eight inches) for a very short while until they were raised up on blocks when the neighbors came to help.  After the water subsided and the machines were left to dry for several days, they continued on working just fine.

She has had my "old" KitchenAid direct-drive washer and the matching dryer for a bit more than two years now.  I bought that washer and dryer new in 1992.  I did "overload" it sometimes, and even used the reset position on the variable water level to get more water for the BIG load, and I NEVER had any broken couplers or transmission failures.

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Post# 4370-9/2/2001-01:39 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Hello Glenn.
In 1984, Why did your grandmother choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #18 capacity washer?
Rob


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Post# 4371-9/2/2001-01:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, she didn't pick out the new machine in 1984 -- I did.  As a single person, she didn't need an 18-pound machine.  I don't recall for sure, as it was more than 15 years ago, but the Design 2000 was probably a bit less expensive than an 18-pound machine with equivalent features.  I worked for the Whirlpool dealer that the machine came from, and was quite familiar with the difference between belt-drive and direct-drive.  The store had already sold quite a few, and all the customers were VERY happy with them.  I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the direct-drive design then, and I don't now.

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Post# 4372-9/3/2001-08:06 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Excellent choice Lenny. However I think I would have to loose that detergent dispenser. I prefer powders anyway.


SD

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Post# 4373-9/3/2001-08:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: I aggree with you on this Lenny. Maybe I shouldnt speak too soon. Up until last week every atlantis i've been out on has been due to customer error or neglect. Jewlery seems to be the worst. I've pulled many ankle chains out of pumps and out of the carbon ring in the center seal components. Finally last week I had to replace a trany that had failed. First one since the introduction in 97.


SD

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Post# 4374-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Happy Labor ...
MESSAGE: Happy Labor Saving Appliance Day!!!

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Post# 4375-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4376-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4377-9/3/2001-11:02 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4378-9/3/2001-11:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Ankle chains???

What, are people using the Atlantis as a foot washer/massager???

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Post# 4379-9/3/2001-11:05 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Design 2000 vs Belt Drive
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes.
Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob


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Post# 4380-9/3/2001-11:07 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: Hey does this forum accept HTML code???

Frigidaire Plunger Washer

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Post# 4381-9/3/2001-11:08 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: I guess not... at least not external links...

Sorry, please resume the discussion of jewelry vs. Atlantis.


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Post# 4382-9/3/2001-11:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Norge/Magic Chef washer design)
MESSAGE: Rob,

This topic is not about what I like or do not like. It is about you posting unfounded garbage about appliances. I personally don’t care what you like or don’t like, but please do not pick apart and trash a machine based on opinions. There are several factors that go into deciding which is going to be the best quality product for you. Just because you like and prefer one over the other does not make it the gospel truth. Nor does it mean each and every person has to follow what you say.

I simply can not justify paying the over inflated price for a machine that uses old technology, costs more to repair, and offers less options for more money. It simply is not a wise economic choice.


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Post# 4383-9/3/2001-11:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: Rich in order to post external links just copy the entire address and paste it into the field "URL Link to share:" that is located in the Post a New Message Screen or in the Reply to this Message Screen. Here is your link posted properly...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Washers&.src=ph&.dnm=1959+Frigidaire+Pump+Washer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Washers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4384-9/3/2001-11:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer
MESSAGE: Rob, my "new" washer, when I get it, will be my Mom's LAT9804 Dependable Care with PowerFin-12 agitator. It has sentimental value because it's my Mom's and because it will match my LDE9824 dryer. This washer is a 150 stroke/minute agitation, which will be a bit gentler. I've used this machine a few times and I'm quite pleased with its cleaning action. My laundry is never very dirty so it won't matter that much to me. I also believe it will rinse better than my LK DD KM because there is a 15 second spray rinse inbetween the wash & rinse, which my KM doesn't have. Yes, the capacity will be a bit less, but my largeset loads are my towels. My sister likes her Atlantis pair, but thinks it's noisy because it sits on a tile floor. Most of her clothes are sent to the dry cleaneers so she only washes 1-3 loads a week. She just needed a new washer and at the time I was perceiving that the DC line was going away, model selection had been pared down considerably toward the end of 1999 and there wasn't a model that offered the features she & I wanted. If I'd only known that the DC line would ressurrect itself at Maytag stores as a new Performa line. So, I'll use this washer for a while, I still may end up with a front loader because of water efficiency and high spin speeds for extraction.

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Post# 4385-9/3/2001-12:02 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Rob,

Do you want to compare apples to apples or apples to oranges? You have to make this clear, otherwise nothing will be accomplished other than a bunch of chewed up, swallowed and regurgitated crap being thrown on the table.

A coupler just as a belt, chain, etc is a means of connecting a driving component to a driven component. They will ALL wear and need replacement and/or adjustment sometime in it’s life. IF a belt driven machine is used properly, not overloaded and not left to handle an unbalanced load, etc, the belt can have a very long life span. But if you do overload a belt driven machine, Maytag, Whirlpool and others it will put stress upon the belt, eventually causing it to overheat, stretch, slip, burn and lose it’s ability to perform it’s given job correctly. The same will happen with a coupler. It is under constant stress from the motor, just as a belt and just as a belt, part of the coupler is rubber. Rubber is prone to expand, shrink, stretch, dry out, and degrade from oil contamination. One of the differences between a belt and a coupler is that there is no slipping with a coupler. It either works or doesn’t. There is no in-between. A coupler is not going to glaze or slip. As long as it is not broken there will be a direct connection between the driving and driven components with no loss of performance. You cannot say that about anything that is belt driven.


Now lets address the cabinet issue. There are many things to consider when you test the ‘sound’ of a metal cabinet. Is the cabinet insulated? How is it attached to the machine? How many coats of primer and paint are on the metal? All of these things affect the sound that will resonate from the metal. I have 12 machines at my fingertips and each and every one of them sound different. Some have sound absorbing pads attached to them, some have nothing, some have full cabinet insulation, some are screwed to the base of the machine and some act as the whole support for the machine. Again, lets compare apples to apples. Take machine A that has sound insulation and take machine B that has sound insulation and then compare the two. It would be unfair to compare machine A that has no insulation to machine B, which has sound insulation.


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Post# 4386-9/3/2001-12:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Hi Jason)
MESSAGE: Miss chatting with ya. Bob

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Post# 4387-9/3/2001-12:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Thanks Uni!)
MESSAGE: Like this?


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Washers&.dnm=1959+Frigidaire+Pump+Washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4388-9/3/2001-12:43 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Hi all

Just posted a few more photos of the convention, thought I`d taken loads more, then realized that on my return I`d been counting the numbers down instead of up.

Luckily everyone else did a great Job...

My favorite machine has to be "The Lady Kenmore" especially after the video.....just perfection!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/chestermikeuk

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Post# 4389-9/3/2001-12:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hello Rich,

Welcome to the club!

Louis

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Post# 4390-9/3/2001-12:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Design 2000 vs Belt Drive
MESSAGE: Rob, if your message is not appearing on the site once you posted is, just reload the page. Otherwise your post comes up several times.

Louis

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Post# 4391-9/3/2001-13:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Belt-Drive vs. Direct-Drive)
MESSAGE: YOU GO JASON!

When we got our 1976 BELT-DRIVE, 18-POUND Whirlpool Model LDA-7600, we loaded it up quite a bit, being a family of five with a working father (service station / tire store -- LOTS of filthy work clothes), and three teenagers.  My mother was working at that point, and being somewhat enamored of the super-capacity machine, I insisted washing day waited until there was LOTS of laundry in order to make use of that capacity.  It wasn't overloaded, but it certainly was LOADED.

Belts on that machine were tightened and replaced considerably more frequently than what might be the "norm" for a belt-drive machine.  And NO, ROB, I DO NOT have a day-by-day or year-by-year history of when the belt was tightened or replaced.

My friend who has the mid-1980's belt-drive, 18-pound Whirlpool machine that you have seen in the video clips I posted has NEVER changed the belt to the best of my knowledge.

My parents replaced that 1976 Belt-Drive, 18-pound Whirlpool with a Direct-Drive KitchenAid sometime in the 1990's.  They have NEVER had any trouble with that machine.

My 1992 KitchenAid Direct-Drive has NEVER had any repairs.

My Grandmother's 1984 Design2000 Direct-Drive Whirlpool NEVER had any repairs during the time she had it.  I can't, of course, say anything about the people who bought it used in July 1999.

Rob, that's THREE for THREE.

In the entire time I worked for the Whirlpool dealer (which admittedly was only during the summer for about 5 years), I don't recall there ever being any coupler or transmission trouble on a direct-drive machine.  The ONLY repair I can recall on a Design2000 machine is one in which the basket was out-of-round, causing the machine to vibrate excessively during spin.

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Post# 4392-9/3/2001-13:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (1976 18-Pound Whirlpool Supreme 80)
MESSAGE: Uhh, ooopsie.  That model number was LDA-7800W2, not LDA-7600.  The matching dryer we had was LDE-7800Y1.  Yes, the washer was white and the dryer was gold.  In fact, we got the dryer about a year later, in 1977.  The LFA/E series had already come out, but the dealer still had the LDE dryer in stock, that he had gotten for somebody who changed their mind on it.

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Post# 4393-9/3/2001-13:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you for the pictures Mike, they turned out wonderful. You did manage to capture a few things that weren't in the other pictures. In a few days mine are ready too I hope. The capacity of the Dyson seems impressive. Now it's time for them to devellop a dryer. A matching dryer would be difficult ofcourse, since a cabinet of the same size couldn't hold a drum that is big enough to handle a full load from the Dyson. On the other side, who knows what mr Dyson invents next.

Louis

PS: I keep seeing pictures of men putting their arm in a washer. Peter seems especially fond of it, but I saw also Steve and you doing it. Is this some sort of fetish I don't know about?

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Post# 4394-9/3/2001-14:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Mike, more memories. Sorry you discovered your technical difficulty after you arrived home. I was hoping to get to see more of those pics that I was aware of you taking Saturday night. LOVED the Dyson pics. Awesome. Kinda remind me of the Whirlmores. Have to admit, you looked "armed & dangerous" LOL.

Bob

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Post# 4395-9/3/2001-15:06 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hi Louis!


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Post# 4396-9/3/2001-15:11 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Not Ruffled!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rob G.
Im sorry if I gave you the impression that I was upset with your commentary on the WP/KM DD's. I appreciate any information anybody can give me (when I ask for it of course)! Actually, I was'nt upset with your commentary at all, in fact I agreed with you when you quoted Appliance magazine regarding the co-polymer tranny on the Atlantis. I may have mistakenly responded to the wrong posting. Again, thank you for your insight! Lenny

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Post# 4397-9/3/2001-15:18 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Belt-Drive vs. Direct-Drive)
MESSAGE: And a few more examples….

A friend of mine whose family consists of 7 children and 2 adults have a 1988 Kenmore 80 Series and have had no problems with anything on the machine. With the exception of a q-tip in the pump that I had to pull out.

Another friend has an 89 Kenmore 70 Series that she bough brand new, uses it in her salon, does a minimum of 5 full loads of towels a day and has never had one problem.

A friend of my ex has a 87 Kenmore 80 Series with 5 people using the machine who believe that if you can close the lid on the washer it needs more clothes and they have never replaced anything on that machine.

And then there is the member of my family who HAD a Maytag and went through the transmission belt every 18 months, +/- a few days. They bought a Whirlpool a few years ago and haven’t had a problem yet, and they probably won’t.

I have seen more Whirlpool built machines stand up to abuse and keep on working long after others have given up and gone to the crusher.


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Post# 4398-9/3/2001-15:20 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Hi SD:
Thanks for your vote of confidance on me Atlantis MAV8600. Im feeling good about this choice since Iv'e been posting for all your input here in Applianceville. It seems for the most part, everyone feels the Atlantis 8600 is a good choice. I hope so or Ill have to find another relative who could use a new washer...lololol. The dispenser came with the T.O.L. 8600, I had no choice and I feel its just another gadget that might be kind of fun to play around with! Ill let you know. (by the way I am a liquid Cheer fan)! Lenny

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Post# 4399-9/3/2001-15:38 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: HQOTS
While on one hand you scorn Rob G. for his opinion of the Whirlpool DD's, and indeed, everyone IS entitled to his or her own opinions. Yet, In your follow-up post you are doing the SAME thing by 'trashing' Maytag. Your opinions on the Whirlpool DD's are ALSO just that....YOUR OPINION. I beg to differ with you that Maytag is technologically outdated, overpriced machines, tell that directly to some M.I.T. engineering grads who work for Maytag designing their appliances. Anyway, this is a FORUM for information, not a platform to force unsolicited opinions. Perhaps you work for Whirlpool and that would make your opinions biased anyway! All machines are fascinating in some way. No matter what they are manufactured of and by whom makes them, someone will purchase them and enjoy them. So please keep your negative comments about Maytag's poor quality as that, just YOUR opinion. Thanks
Lenny

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Post# 4400-9/3/2001-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Great pics Mike! Thanks for the pics of the Dyson - have only ever seen their web site, and there's no "arming" there!

Did you get your kitchen done? Snap some pics of that when it is - can't wait to see that range/cooker in place!

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Post# 4401-9/3/2001-16:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (SS Atlantis)
MESSAGE: I took a peep at a couple stainless Atlantis models yesterday -- one had the detergent dispenser and one didn't.  They look pretty spiffy.  When you get the machine, let us know how much range there is on the water levels -- how low is low, compared to high.  The design of the agitator looks like it allows a lower low level than does the Whirlpool/KA design.  That was really my only dissatisfaction with the KA, that the low water level was too high.

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Post# 4402-9/3/2001-16:18 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis SS)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
I sure will keep ya informed on the Atlantis but it won't be well into the week after next as my delivery date is postponed until Saturday of next week.

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Post# 4403-9/3/2001-16:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Mike for posting those wonderful pictures. Two weeks later the convention is still so fresh in my memory! That Dyson certainly is a cool looking machine.

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Post# 4404-9/3/2001-17:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (What's wrong with your Speed Queen?)
MESSAGE: I see in your profile you have a SQ washer from about 1978, what is not working on this machine? Parts are getting hard to come by, but I've pulled some stuff from machines of this vintage and might have something you need to get it running again.

Is your Frigidaire a perforated basket 1-18 or a solid tub? You have 1975 listed, but the Rapid-Dry was long gone by then. Is it working OK too?



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Post# 4405-9/3/2001-17:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: Hello everyone in Applianceland. Thanks to JasonL's wonderful advice on creating videos that are of high quality and not huge in the megabite department, I was able to start digitizing some more vintage TV commercials from my collection. A special thank you goes out to JasonL, your advice to use the Microsoft Media Encoder worked like a charm, its so nice when we can all learn from each other here.

I've added a new button on our home page for Appliance Videos. Check out this 1957 Westinghouse commercial. In the 1950's deceptive advertising was easier to get away with. See if you can figure out what brands Brand X, Brand Y and Brand Z are.

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Post# 4406-9/3/2001-17:05 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hi Rich
I'm Jim aka Rapidry1000 from across the Bay in San Francisco.
Welcome to the club as the other Bay Area member. San Leandro was the Bay Area distribution and sales office of Frigidaire in the 60's and 70's on Marina Blvd.

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Post# 4407-9/3/2001-17:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Skyler and I went to Sears to buy a garage door opener, but before we even looked at those (how boring) we skipped to the appliance department to see the new KM babies.

They really aren't babies at all - both sets they had were on the pedestals and boy were they big. I was mindful of the dimensions before seeing them, but they are bigger looking than I'd expected. The white set they had was plugged in and I tried to get it to spin, but as soon as the pump splattered water all over the display and video screens behind them, I shut it off and moved over to the graphite set on the end-cap. I was impressed with the quality and "feel" of both the washer and dryer but I wish they had one hooked up to show the washing action. I really wanted to bring one home to play with, but they no longer do in-home demos - can you imagine such a thing!

BTW: The sales people weren't very helpful or informed, so I had to snatch one of the spiral bound training books that they wouldn't let us have at Mall of America - they obviously weren't using them anyway!

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Post# 4408-9/3/2001-17:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Naughty)
MESSAGE: You naughty little boy, you. Good Work Greg!

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Post# 4409-9/3/2001-17:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (You're welcome!)
MESSAGE: You're quite welcome. It's great posting good videos in such a small file size. I can't wait to see the Westy videos.

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Post# 4410-9/3/2001-17:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Direct-Drive one-piece agitator
MESSAGE: I found another one! My grandma's fairly new KM washer is a 24" BOL model. I opened the lid and saw a non-dual action agitator. I'll bring my cam next week and take some pictures of it. The "Galaxy" washer by Kenmore I think also has the old standard one piece agitator, not dual action.

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Post# 4411-9/3/2001-17:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Great videos!)
MESSAGE: Excellent job, Uni. The videos came out perfect. I recognized a 57 Tower Frigidaire and I think a GE Filter Flo. I couldn't recognize the others.

My theory is this. The Frigidaire has a solid tub. That means the sand has mostly settled to the bottom and when it tried to spin, the sand had the go through the towels and out of the holes on top. Naturally, the towels were in the way so some of the sand got caught in the towels while some just sat there at the bottom. Did any of those washers have perforated tubs? Of course the front load washer didn't have sand trapped in it because the sand went to the bottom and got pumped out.

Just my 2c on what I saw.

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Post# 4412-9/3/2001-17:30 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Old Speed Queen / Frigidaire Jet Cone)
MESSAGE: Hi gansky1:
Thanks for viewing my profile. Yes, I DID have that old Speed Queen but it RECENTLY was taken to the junk-yard (So unfortunately)! While I always loved old appliances, its only recently that I am thinking of restoring some 'finds' and maybe start a small 'museum' of my own! Anyway the 1979 Speed Queen was a solid tub, McGraw Edison with the 'larger' tub than previous models. It had the famous 'flotation-rinse' and the latch-on fabric softener dispenser. It had the famous crowned Q logo on its front left cabinet. It had big bold lime green and orange on black control panel. It was my moms older washer from that early 80's era. It was leaking water but I think this was just from that odd poly 'fill-level' tank that is in the back right corner inside the cabinet. But from non use, it just froze up and went by the wayside...Im so sorry I let this jem of a machine slip out of my hands.
The Frigidaire was used by my family in the mid to late 70's. It was a 'Copper' (ugly brown) color that was famous around the time of Harvest Gold and Avacado! She had a solid, powder blue/gray non preforated tub that was quite shallow. It had a two shade blue Jet-Cone Agitator that said "with Jet-Away Lint Removal" on the cap that enclosed a bleach dispenser cup. That washer, when it died, made a terrible 'automatic-shotgun' sound as it would take several minutes to come to a complete stop,- Ill never forget this loud sound. We had to replace it ASAP. I remember it was replaced with a T.O.L. GE Americana in Harvest Gold with the 'Dispensall' dispenser system in the lid. It also had a 'mini-basket' feature to wash small, single items. That was a neat washer that finally gave way to the Speed Queen in the early 80's. Thank you again for your interest in my appliances. Lenny

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Post# 4413-9/3/2001-17:48 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Jim,

Thanks for the greeting and that information. I'm very close to Marina Blvd. The previous family here owned the house since the early 50's. This might explain why I found two identical pristine copies of a 1959 Frigidaire sales brochure in a drawer on the property. You can see two of the pages over on my yahoo picture site. I'll see if I can scan in the rest and post the whole brochure there. It's kind of a scream, all about the "most feminine appliance line in history", etc. No wonder harvest gold, avocado, and colonial copper soon took over in appliance fashion... ;-)

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst?.dir=/Washers&.view=t

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Post# 4414-9/3/2001-18:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Good work Greg, you bad boy. But, you've got me in a downward "spiral" LOL. I love having the copies of the owners manuals. And yes, I do practically sleep with them every night. Remember, I was the one, I believe, who originally found the box of marketing materials and tried to get a spiral bound book and they stopped me? YOU GO!!!!

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Post# 4415-9/3/2001-19:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: How cool! My friend and babysitter stopped by just as I was downloading them and watching them for the first time. Her 14 year old daughter asked what an agitator was.....

Mrs. Strayer was using machine X; a Norge Timeline, solid tub

Mrs. Nag was using machine Y; a control tower Frigidaire, solid tub

Mrs. Kramer was using machine Z; a GE solid tub (didn't see the filter pan go in, but love the hat!)

Mrs. Gransom was using a magic box that was never sold in stores.

It was completely fair and impartial (aside from the magic box) and I think I can see how impressed you all are with the Westinghouse Laundromat.



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Post# 4416-9/3/2001-19:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: So the sand just stayed at the bottom of the tub. When the water spun out, the sand stuck to the towels.

Mrs. Nag? Is she related to Mrs. (Always) Right?



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Post# 4417-9/3/2001-19:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Playing with the salespeople - )
MESSAGE: When the first salesperson (man) asked me if I would be interested in one of the Hettie sets, I told him I could never get rid of my pulsator Frigidaire. He looked at me like I was speaking Latin. I don't discount him for that, but he did mention that the Hettie washer dispenser was self cleaning. "Never have to take it out and scrub it" when the training manual states and illustrates with a picture, a woman's arms holding the dispenser drawer under a faucet! He didn't even look at the pictures.

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Post# 4418-9/3/2001-19:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: I don't think the Frigidaire got a fair run of it -

The timer indicator was set for 4 min. (and behind the box the control was set for small load, I'm sure of it!) She fiddled with it for a split second when asked to turn it on. I'll bet she whipped that control right over to rinse and started it up. Look, mine's done already! Poor machine never had a chance anyway, against that magic box!

Two cups of sand would have settled into that Westinghouse pump and outer tub and the pump would have frozen up tight. Guess that's what the pump cover is for! Don't try this at home kids.

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Post# 4419-9/3/2001-19:39 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (sand test & Neptune vs Rug)
MESSAGE: So, next time you go back, ask he Hettie salesperson how the machine would handle a quart of sand with a load of towels.

Hehehehe.

Uni, loved the Westinghouse video. Why no Westinghouse background logo to celebrate with? ;-)

BTW, I just washed a 5x7 ft area rug in the Neptune. It usually sits under my chair by this computer, in my home office, to protect the hardwood floor from the chair's wheels. Since I often snack there it can get pretty grungy (it's basically beige). But I was able to fold it up into a cube like shape, and even the very interior came out sparkling clean. Right now it's hanging on a line in the bright sunshine, going through the UV sterilization phase of the program. :-) Oh, and the rug is a polyolefin fiber number, with a woven backing, so there were no crumbly rubber bits to gunk up the works.


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Post# 4420-9/3/2001-19:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: All I can say is, THOSE HATS!!! What a scream. The lady in front of the Frigidaire sure looked unhappy, even before the washing started. Sure, its action would have put a smile on her face. I can figure out the GE & the Frigidaire, but am stabbing at the other being a ABC/Kelvinator or a Norge.

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Post# 4421-9/3/2001-19:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: That's twice now I've swiped Hettie stuff from there - they probably have pictures of me (and Skyler) hanging by the timeclock and in the breakroom - "Corporate Spy--Hide All Training Materials."

"Oh, I wasn't supposed to take this? I saw a whole stack there and thought they were for customers who would consider spending two thousand six hundred and forty three dollars on the latest clothes care technology." I had my bit all ready if asked about the book.

(Don't you tell Leslie - it's all for educational purposes, we're dying to know more!)

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Post# 4422-9/3/2001-19:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Greg got them all right! After seeing this commercial I can't see how I ever be able to use any of my other machines ever again. Good thing I have that L-8 hooked up.

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Post# 4423-9/3/2001-19:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: Yup. I also suspect that the water pressure was run into the TV studio using a standard garden hose, that means that all four of the machines were filling at once. The Norge and Frigidaire of course are time filled, and probably only filled up 3/4, if that much.

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Post# 4424-9/3/2001-19:56 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Love my Westy!)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone! Greg you sure are right I am impressed with the Westy! I off to do a load now!
Everyone please prey that this is the last time I have take this "@#$%" computer back in for repair so I can enjoy applianceland again!
cheers jetcone!

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Post# 4425-9/3/2001-20:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, you may not see the point, but from experience I can tell you, our household sandbagged every weekend. We spent just about every summer weekend on Galveston Bay or Clear Lake (near what became NASA) on either sale boat or motor boat. Our frieds usually were there too and they had the 47 or 48 Frigidaire. Remember, our machine was the 55 GE. Never heard any complaints about sand from our washers. Of course, mom did shake out the beach towels some, but not that much. And this went on until our 64 Norge came along, without a complaint. HA!!!

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Post# 4426-9/3/2001-20:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Love my Westy!)
MESSAGE: I'll do just that JC. Miss having you around.

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Post# 4427-9/3/2001-20:10 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Hats)
MESSAGE: What I noticed was how each woman was introduced: "Mrs. Donald Whathisname", etc. Like they no longer had their own names. I don't hear married women addressed that way very often if at all these days! (then again, I don't hang around women's clubs either). And I remember when my Mom divorced my Dad, she kept his last name (more anglo) but was very pleased to be addressed as Mrs. Female_name Maidennameinitial Whathisname.


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Post# 4428-9/3/2001-20:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Drag Around Tragedies, My Wash Is Cleaner, etc.
MESSAGE: More video's posted in the new video section, enjoy.

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Post# 4429-9/3/2001-20:29 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Miss Rob)
MESSAGE: As much as it kills me to reply to this and I have been reading Rob's postings Lenny..you have no idea what Rob is like and if you knew you would think twice about what you just said to HQOTS because this yo yo does have a history and he does think his opinions matter and nobody elses. Rob is very opinionated and he still has not learned from any of the past postings in the other club on Yahoo....Thats my 2 cents worth/
Anyways I have a Maytag washer the Dependable care one and I love it. The Atlantis sadly to say is built on Norge/Magic Chef technology and granted it is a nice machine to look at performance wise it is lacking in alot ways. In fact CU said that they are also the roughest machines on clothes right up there with Whirlpool built washers. But thats my opinion.
Mike


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Post# 4430-9/3/2001-20:47 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Dual drive)
MESSAGE: Atlantis washers DO NOT use the Dual Drive Transmission only the Performa line does. The Atlantis washer uses the Super Wash Transmission. And the gears are Celcon just like the spin gear in the Whirlpools. And Miss Rob Celcon does degrade depending on what grade they use in the resin. Some grades will absorb oil readily and swell up while other grades have minimal swelling. Good Grief. Metal gears are more durable in the long run but Maytag used a Celcon Pinion gear in the old 6 gear helical drive without any problems or if there were the gear would strip out.
Mike

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Post# 4431-9/3/2001-21:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

Exactly where do you see me offering my opinion? I simply stated facts. Feel free to compare machine for machine, cycle for cycle and you will see that Whirlpool still has a lower price and offers more for less money. OK, here is a FACT..for about 20 dollars more than the cost of the MAV8600 you can have a Catalyst, OR for about 160 less you can have a Resource Saver Whirlpool. This is not opinion, it is fact.



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Post# 4432-9/3/2001-21:13 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: I too saw the new HE3T's over at Sears in Albany Ny this past weekend and all I could say was when I came up the escalator was OH WOW!!! The salesman had no clue what he was talking about when he strolled over and started yapping about the washer. I looked inside this beast and what a huge washbasket it has. 3.7 cu ft is very large but I cant imagine it being filled to capacity and then throwing the load at the dryer. 7 cu ft is not enough for a dryer to match load for load. Now if it was 8 cu ft like old Norge dryers were now we would be talkin but in this case we are not.
I was very very impressed by the washer but the $1500 price tag is a tad steep for me. I am gonna wait and see how they do and let the price come down. I did like the height of the washer and dryer but I am one of these people that fold the clothes as they come out of the dryer at the machine and I doubt I would even use the drawer underneath...so there does counterspace that I love and I aint hauling my laundry upstairs to fold at my kitchen table or couch. I wonder if a stacked set is planned like the Neppies SuperStack....something to ponder.
Mike

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Post# 4433-9/3/2001-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: These machines can be stacked.

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Post# 4434-9/3/2001-21:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Negative Feedback
MESSAGE: Well to whomever feels that Iv'e made a total mistake in purchasing my new Maytag 8600, I am no longer soliciting your opinions and am recinding my posting. I am somewhat 'upset' at the bevy of negative, if not 'angry' feedback on why one should only purchase the 'Holy Grail' Whirlpool! I have gotten enough feedback from friendly people here at this site, along with my own extensive research which I have done and I have made an HONEST choice with my Mayag Atlantis selection. Now, it will be time, and time only, that will tell if it wears well. Money was never the issue when I chose Maytag. The Kenmore Catalyst DD was on sale at the EXACT same price as my Atlantis. I chose the Atlantis - my decision. If this forum is so biased towards one particular manufacturer that one cannot post a question or comment without abrasive, negative feedback then I shall not post another comment here. I truely am dissapointed with how negative some people are being regarding brands verses brands. I thought this site was to have some fun and exchange positive information...please prove me right!

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Post# 4435-9/3/2001-21:49 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Tranny material)
MESSAGE: Mike
I was informed of my information on the Atlantis Dual Drive tranny through an article in the current Appliance Magazine. It directly stated that the Dual Drive uses new resin material that was extensively age tested and quite successful. Now im not sure if the material is exactly a co-polymer, resin or whatever BUT the article specifically stated that it was being used in the newer Atlantis machines. I guess only time will tell if the new materials will last but I am willing to give it it chance to prove itself. Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4436-9/3/2001-21:54 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression)
MESSAGE: Jason=
I am simply stating my opinions/facts about appliances.
I stated my opinions/facts about the 1986-Present WP/KM direct drive washers to Lenny in this club.
I DID NOT want you to stick your nose in my opinions/facts.
Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression...That also includes stating negative opinions. Such as "trashing" 1980-Present WCI/Electrolux topload washers and 1995-Present GE/Hotpoint washers and last but not least 1986-Present WP/KM direct drive washers.
Everyone regardless of race and sex and disability SHOULD NEVER be discriminated against!
I have a learning disability(very slightly mentally disabled) and a speech impairment...That still does not give you the right to discriminate against me!!!
I am a christian.
I became a christian in 1981.
Rob
ps= Are you a christian?


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Post# 4437-9/3/2001-22:06 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Dual Drive Tranny)
MESSAGE: Mike,
According to Appliance Magazine, The Maytag Atlantis DOES USE the Dual Drive Tranny.
The Dual Drive Tranny is called the "Super Wash" transmission in the Atlantis.
I went to www.sears.com/partsdirect/ and typed in MAV6200AWW and PAV3300AWW...The transmission in both models has the same part number.
Guess What? You have raw egg on your face!
Are you a christian?
I became a christian in 1981.
Rob


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Post# 4438-9/3/2001-22:18 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis/Performa part numbers)
MESSAGE: Mike,
Here are the part numbers for the Atlantis/Performa tranny and snubber=
MAV6200AWW=
Transmission=
21001536
Snubber=
21001161
PAV3300AWW=
Transmission=
21001536
Snubber=
21001161
Next time please get your facts straight!!!
Rob
ps= Please go to the Sears Parts Direct website...I am telling the truth!!!

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Post# 4439-9/3/2001-01:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Pseudo Capacity)
MESSAGE: Of course that 3.7 cu ft figure is arrived at using a major fudge factor that adds the space that might be lost with a vertical agitator. So the real volume of the HE3t is more like 3.2 cu ft. Still impressive, especially considering that you can fill it with dry laundry and not worry about stuff not moving around an agitator properly.

I just washed a 5 x 7 area rug in my 2.9 cu ft Neptune; it came out great. I bet it would also fit in the HE3t and work well. I also bet that no residential top loader with a central agitator could even fit the rug, let alone clean it.


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Post# 4440-9/3/2001-01:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Be careful where you tread.)
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone.

We are all in this club because we LOVE washing machines. Please lets not get into arguments that are personal. I have no problems with the Whirlpool DD machine as I have one and had no problems with it. I have never seen an Atlantis though I do know they will be released here soon and I am sure that Lenny will enjoy using them. Lenny dont worry about the squables as they have been going on for a long time and have nothing to do with your choice of Maytag Atlantis. I would consider buying a Maytag only beacuse I want something dofferent from what I already have. I know htat whatever washer I have will do the basic task of washign my clothes and If i like one model more that another then I have to wear it if something goes wrong.

Rob please dont drag Christianity into all this. I have a faith too and so do others and if you keep on this path, someone might say something that offends all us. Remeber it is Washing machines that we come to this forum to. A good Christian would let things drop rather than keeping them going so maybe we should put an end to this tread.

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Post# 4441-9/3/2001-01:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Pseudo Capacity)
MESSAGE: I am glad this nonsense is going on in the states too. I thought the way you measure capacity in measure meant would prevent outrageous claims but it obviously hasn't. In Australia machiens are advertiosed as haveing a capacity of so many KG's and each new model realeased claims to hold so much more even though the tub is the same size. Hoover claims 6.5, 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0 for a range of machines that all are the same physical size. I dont know how the manufacturers get away with it.

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Post# 4442-9/4/2001-04:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: Robert,

These videos are wonderful. Are you going to put them on videotape sometime?

Louis

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Post# 4443-9/4/2001-05:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Kitchin Aid needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

I still think I`d stick with "The Lady Kenmore" versus the Dyson although spin extract would be an issue without an extractor...

It looks like the kitchen could be six weeks before completion, just picked the units, gone for high gloss white with stainless steel tube handles.

Having the F/F delivered tomorrow, picked the De Detrich (Amana Washington in steel clad) all the european models are badged from Amana, Maytag and GE apparently.

Last thing i need to pick is the dishwasher, have you seen the Fisher & Paykel smartdrive DishDrawer, looks totally innovative,totally radical design, so I`m thinking of that at the moment..

So when I get the kitchen you`ll see the pics...

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4444-9/4/2001-05:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Am having to catch up on replies--had another major thunderstorm last night, starting about 8, so I lost some time here. Anyway, Mike, these beasts can be stacked, just without the drawers.

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Post# 4445-9/4/2001-05:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Litres)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh

I to find it amazing that KG capacity seems to win people over, I personally think the only true way is litres, AEG Bosch, Miele, Dyson seem to boast litres as a measurment capacity....

Cheers, Mike



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Post# 4446-9/4/2001-05:24 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Hetties in litres
MESSAGE: Everyone

What is the stated capacity in litres of the Hettie wash drum???


Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4447-9/4/2001-05:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: Greg, that agitator is in some WP coin op machines in a coin laundry in Sarasota that I have been checking on when I have visited since the late 80s. Years ago John sold some coin op WP machines to an apt complex and they had the dual action agitators so maybe there were different levels of features and capacities. This machines does not fill as full as the ones with the DAA, but has the same deep standard cap tub. TT

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Post# 4448-9/4/2001-05:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (WP lint filter agravator)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I tested a standard cap WP machine for John back in the early 90s that had one. The barrel of the agitator had curved vanes running down it and it pulled off to reveal a very small filter, however, not all machies that had that agitator had the lint filter in it. Weird. TT

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Post# 4449-9/4/2001-05:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (welcome)
MESSAGE: Hello to another Rich and welcome to the club. You profile reads like a neat, appliance-centered life. Enjoy the madness. Tom

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Post# 4450-9/4/2001-05:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (old tv shows)
MESSAGE: Yesterday, on TV Land, there was a Leave it to Beaver episode in the new kitchen with the GE cooktop in the island. They were putting leftovers away and sitting on the cooktop was the Hotpoint Multi-Cooker pan, essentially a 12 inch aluminum square skillet with a somewhat domed cover and side handles. It came with the TOL ranges with the automatic unit to be used like an electric skillet. I don't know what it was doing there on the GE cooktop. TT

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Post# 4451-9/4/2001-06:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Large Capacity)
MESSAGE: Large capacity means standard capacity. Extra large capacity is the wider tub. The difference in water is only a few gallons, but the extra width means a world of difference in the size of the load it will handle, even when both machines have the DAA. TT

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Post# 4452-9/4/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Janet, this machine used a water driven motor, like the ones inside an oscillating lawn sprinkler. Depending on the water pressure, you can get good mechanical action out of water. It ran mills and machinery in them for decades in this country. There is a big shell of a mill north of me in Savage, MD. Most of the mechanical stuff is gone and lots more is in ruins, but there are pictures of a time when there were turbines set in the mill race that transferred power via great long belts up to the looms that made sails out of canvas for the US Navy in the very early days of our country. All that is left of the turbine building is the brick foundation with the holes in the floor where the turbine shafts went down into the river. So this washer would have been usable where there was no electricity, which was a lot of the country in that time. TT

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Post# 4453-9/4/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Energy saver Atlantis)
MESSAGE: We asked the Maytag sales people at a dinner/sales meeting and the reason it is called that is that if you push the energy saver button, HOT wash is reduced to 90 degrees, otherwise known as WARM. Tom

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Post# 4454-9/4/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens...)
MESSAGE: John's customers with them are Italian, Polish and unknown ancestry. TT

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Post# 4455-9/4/2001-06:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: Glenn, probably good for keeping the heat out of the house in hot weather. Smart lady. Tom

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Post# 4456-9/4/2001-06:25 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: One person's opinion who has no service experience on either. The DD machines have proven very reliable in service. Just because you don't like them does not make them junk and even Maytag washers and dryers have side panels with the indentations to give thin metal more structural integrity. Maytag can be good without WP being bad to the mature mind. TT

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Post# 4457-9/4/2001-06:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: Rich, when we were in SO CAL years ago, we visited lots of stove restorers who had the famous old brands with features like your griddle. They did a lot of work to restore them and asked big bucks for them. There is no question that they are better built than today's gas stoves made for residential use, except for the gas used to keep the pilots going. The Western Holly also had a nice screen around the broiler burner that turned red hot in the flame to produce good infra red heat like an electric broiler. TT

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Post# 4458-9/4/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Lenny, congrats on your new washer. I am glad that you like it. It is one of the few machines left with a tranny large enough to have a second set of reduction gears to give the slower, longer agitation stroke. However, even the few real Maytags still being sold have gone to the simpler tranny along with WP and GE. Often when there were repeated problems with the coupler going, an interested service person could examine the situation and discover that the motor mounting bracket was bent, a result of the machine having been dropped. If the bracket was straightened so that there was proper alignment between the motor and the tranny, the coupler breaking problem ceased. After the second service call for the same problem, I would have been on the line to the manufacturer to find out the reason. TT

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Post# 4459-9/4/2001-06:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Greg, the dryers are Maytag. TT

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Post# 4460-9/4/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: OH NO!! You bought the service contract when you had a year's warrenty already? Call them and make them change that to the second year. TT

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Post# 4461-9/4/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, glad you feel better after venting. One thing about the outer tubs of both macines. The outer tub of the WP does not have to do anything but hold water. All of the mechanism support is METAL, from the base frame to the tub support tripod, up thorugh the clutch and tranny. The whole mechanism rests on and is supported by metal. The outer tub on the Atlantis is anchored to the frame as part of the support/damping system. It has to support forces generated during motion. It would have to be thicker and stronger. Overloading has not been proven to cause the coupler to break. Did it break many times? Did she question the service people or the factory customer line about it? Perhaps if she had called for factory service instead of having your grandfather replace the part, the cause might have been found, even if it was just a bad run of plastic and not something like the motor bracket problem. Replacing a whole washer just because the coupler broke once does not damn the machine or the whole design. I can understand someone not liking a particular machine, but the sales figures are sort of against you, as are the frequency of service tables in Consumer Reports. Cheap as the coupler is, it was something that your grandfather was able to replace. Replacing a belt on a BD washer was a daunting task and many people who tried to do it missed something and had to call for a service call afterwards and the coupler does not stretch out of adjustment with use as belts often do. And Rob, Co-polymer is another word for plastic so plastic gears are plastic gears. WP has not had failures with their plastic gears and they went to them before Maytag did. Tom

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Post# 4462-9/4/2001-07:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Lenny, I have opened lots of washer trannies and never found anything but oil in them, unless there was water contamination. Gear grease is something else and generally reserved for uses where you don't have a sealed situation, like in the wtinger gears and linkage of a conventional washer. Tom

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Post# 4463-9/4/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances)
MESSAGE: Well, for one thing, the spin speed is 515, not 500, so either they rounded the numbers or you did not repeat what they told you. Tom

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Post# 4464-9/4/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Kitchin Aid needed)
MESSAGE: Sounds like, and looked like a lot of work from your pictures, but it will all be worth it in the end. You've come so far from where you began, a few more weeks won't matter although I doubt I could be patient!

I haven't seen the F&P dishwasher - the only models we have from F&P here are the dishdrawers, will have to check it out on the web.

Have a great week - Greg

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Post# 4465-9/4/2001-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: I saw this straight vane agitator on a Super Capacity BOL machine at Sears Sunday (only $288 on sale!) and wondered how that smallish seeming agitator would move a super size load of 18 bath towels!

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Post# 4466-9/4/2001-07:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny, funny how a shoe can pinch one foot and not the other. You are new to the club. You have not had to put up wtih Rob's pontifications over nothing time and time again. You don't seem to mind his trashing WP washers, damning the whole line and design, but do not like Jason's even handed presentation of evidence to refute him. Older Maytag washers used the belt as a clutch. It is very possible for the belt to wear through if the motor is not sliding properly in its cradle. As for MIT graduates working for Maytag, they do not have a lock on qualified engineers. However, if you will look back through the decades of washing machine history, Maytag, like KitchenAid with dishwashers, has been a very conservative company, not given to updating their machines until everyone else has already done so. The Permanent Press cycle is one example. Unless you bought their top of the line washer, you did not get a Wash 'n Wear or perma press cooldown cycle until the 06 series came out in the second half of the 60s. WP, through Kenmore introduced the cycle in 58 in the Lady Kenmore and it soon spread down the line. You must have a pretty strong Maytag bias yourself if you bought a Neptune knowing it did not have a window and knowing you loved to watch the wash. Jason at least works on appliances and has a service company. I would place my money on the veracity of his opinions based on experience along side his mechanical aptitude. He is also an automobile mechanic and restores cars. As for the timeliness of the Atlantis design, it cannot be said to be state of the art. It is basically an old Norge design, updated. I am not saying that is bad, but it is not a brand new product based on years of research. Maytag found it cheaper to go with a large capacity machine from a company they bought rather than design something new. GE, WP, Electrolux/Frigidaire went the other route. I am not saying that all of their redesigns have been roaring successes either, but when Maytag came out with the Neptune, they made it sound like they had invented the horizontal axis washer in the 1990s when, in fact, there were others who had made them long before and Maytag themselves marketed a tumbler washer in the 1930s. Maybe Maytag feels that the best way to meet the new energy use guidelines is with a tumbler washer and that is why they are not jumping up and down to redesign their toploaders; I do not know. Whatever Jason said about Maytag, it did not descend to the level of Rob's diatribe against WP and was based on a bit more hands-on knowledge of mechanical things. Tom

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Post# 4467-9/4/2001-08:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Greg rides to the rescue again. How did you hide the booklet this time? Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4468-9/4/2001-08:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Direct-Drive one-piece agitator
MESSAGE: Jason1, that is also the machine known as the Capri, almost typed crapi. Tom

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Post# 4469-9/4/2001-08:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Would be a shame not to have one in the archives - it is a very well done booklet and would be a valuable resource for thsoe that are interested in helping the consumer make informed choices.

I just picked up the book and walked away - nobody even noticed me. One girl in the linen department looked twice at it, but clearly didn't know what it was. I didn't buy anything until we were in another store in the mall, but I did have a bag to conceal it on our trip back through Sears to buy the garage door opener. Then my hands were full and Skyler carried the bag out of the store.

Cheers, Greg

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Post# 4470-9/4/2001-08:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback
MESSAGE: Excuse me, but I have not seen anything really abrasive toward you or you new washer. Several have congratulated you on it, including me. What you have to realize is that you have joined a group with a keen interest in machines, and many here have a great deal of practical and historical knowledge. You seem to have taken everything Rob was throwing at the group and directed it at yourself. Perfection does not exist on this plane. Most washers are good, not one is perfect, nor is any one machine the answer for everyone. Now, put down your toys and get back in the sandbox. My mother is still alive; I don't need another travel agent for guilt trips. Tom

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Post# 4471-9/4/2001-08:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression)
MESSAGE: Rob, you are not being discriminated against, but whatever your level if impairment, it does not give you carte blanche to make balnket condemnations of appliances and not expect to have them refuted, especially when they are wrong, based solely on your opinion and you are in a forum where people have hands-on knowledge. Nor does your impairment absolve you from using good manners when addressing others. You come across as a rude, shrill child. I don't see what your being a Christian has to do with this unless you are claiming infalability. Since you ain't the Pope, that holds water about as well as a perforated tub sitting out on the lawn. Tom

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Post# 4472-9/4/2001-08:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Dual Drive Tranny)
MESSAGE: Rob, the Christians who persecuted and killed my ancestors were probably Christians just like you. Is there an appliance gospel we have missed that gives you superior power over people who know know the facts? Tom

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Post# 4473-9/4/2001-09:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Ah! The DRAMA!!! And so the great love affair continues!

-ph

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Post# 4474-9/4/2001-09:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: It's about some warm, wet, deep places to reach into...

-ph

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Post# 4475-9/4/2001-09:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny, and any other newbies here...

You must realize by now that Rob is very good at posting "facts", drawing a conclusion and making recommendations. You must also realize that his postings draws upon the ire of Jason and several other club members who feel the need to refute Rob and shoot down his recommendations. Rob's opinions come across as gospel, and every refuting post comes across as a contradicting gospel. And then we get into the ad hominum verbage which really makes this all ugly. This little love affair has been going on since the dawn of the club. Sometimes it's witty reparte' and sometimes it's a brawl worthy of a WWF pay-per-view. In the end, it's the same thing: some people never learn.

-ph

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Post# 4476-9/4/2001-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: I can't view the videos. What do I associate them with to get them to work? Saving them as .mpeg doesn't do it.

-ph

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Post# 4477-9/4/2001-09:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: I too visited Sears yesterday. All the sales people could say was "They save 67% more than any other washer. Do you think you'd be interested in one?" The washer has the tinted outer window which really cuts down on what you can see. They had the washer loaded with green and white 2 inch pom-poms, but when I went to start the washer, the motor let out a grinding noise, so I kinda don't think they installed it properly on their own sales floor. The machine looks to rival a 25# commercial machine. When the salesdroid asked me if I'd be interested in one, I told her no, that it was too big for me, and, besides, I really like my 1974 Frigidaire 1-18. She looked at me, blinked a couple times, and then moved on to the next couple who were drooling over it.

-ph

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Post# 4478-9/4/2001-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (THE Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

The "Holy Grail" is the Apex bouncing basket washer. Please, let's not confuse what we each desire out of today's washers as anything even close to the Holy Grail machine!

Besides, I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about between WP and Maytag. I mean, every KNOWS that Amana is the best washer out there today!

-ph

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Post# 4479-9/4/2001-09:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: I'm not part of this Maytag Atlantis discussion. Must be another Jason here.

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Post# 4480-9/4/2001-09:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Windows Media Player 7.0)
MESSAGE: Download it from www.microsoft.com

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Post# 4481-9/4/2001-09:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Try This)
MESSAGE: Peter try this.

1. Download the files to your desktop and keep the internet connection open.
2. Start your Windows Media Player
3. Select File...Open (you might have to right click to get that menu, depending on the version of WinMediaPlayer you have.)
4. Select the file and see if it plays.

Let us know, it this fails try getting a copy of the latest Windows Media Player, this latest version is especailly designed to play these new WMV video files, its free to download from Microsoft.

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Post# 4482-9/4/2001-09:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: The WP coin-op line has had several incarnations. The short big fin Kenvinatoresque washer hasn't been produced in a while. They have a water saving setting that can decrease the wash water and the rinse can match or have 10% less water -- however the owner wants to save. All tops manufacturers have this now...

-ph

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Post# 4483-9/4/2001-09:48 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (THE Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Amana?!?! Shameful

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Post# 4484-9/4/2001-10:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Peter please don't start them up again. I wasn't going to do this, but here is my two cents on this whole thing--

There is no automatic washer out there that is truly a leader in everything it does, be it a 1947 Unimatic or a 2001 Calypso or HE3T. If you take every automatic made from the 1938 to 2001, each machine has its strengths and its total weaknesses, one machine might clean towels better, another might beat everyone else at Jeans. Some extract much better than others, some rinse better, some are able to wash more clothes, others can out live any other machine, but NO machine exceeds everyone else in everything it does, unless you have Betty Furness’ Magic Box (free Jeannie Bottle included). Remember, opinions are just opinions, and FACTS are not necessary FACTS, -- can you say SAND TEST. Anyone can play with the facts to their advantage.

In the end Lenny your choice of a new washer will be just perfect, because in the long run there really isn’t that much difference, but one thing is for sure, it's a lot of fun to do laundry!!!

My only real concern of this whole thing was that Rob threw his religious beliefs into the arguments. Rob, I hope you understand how offensive that was and it was (is) inexcusable. While that may be the norm in your day-to-day life, it does not have any place here in our diverse Applianceville. Please do not post anything with a concededly religious tone like that again Rob, because remember I do have the ultimate power, the power to delete.

Thanks for listening, no we can resume fun


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Post# 4485-9/4/2001-10:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: Jason, HQOTS is also named Jason.

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Post# 4486-9/4/2001-10:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: Jason1, yes, the original Jason who on this club calls himself HQOTS. Tom

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Post# 4487-9/4/2001-10:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Try This)
MESSAGE: The files download without a type. I downloaded the All commercial, saved it as mpeg. When trying to play it from Media Player, I get
MMSYSTEM277 A problem occurred in initializing MCI. Try restarting Windows.

I downloaded the WO-58 commercial and saved it as is. When trying to open it in Medial Player, I get
MMSYSTEM281 This file could not be played, Check the file name or install a driver that supports this type of file.

-ph

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Post# 4488-9/4/2001-10:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: All the more reason we should start a manufacturing business and make our own machines, even one better than Amana!

-ph

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Post# 4489-9/4/2001-10:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Exactly, a washer with a pulsating agitator, 1150rpm spin, that uses a eyedropper of water for the entire load, and don't forget the triangle shaped window.

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Post# 4490-9/4/2001-10:33 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: It needs to play music too.

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Post# 4491-9/4/2001-10:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: Something by Abba, of course.

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Post# 4492-9/4/2001-10:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (The Purrrfect washer having fun)
MESSAGE: A triangle window? Why not round?

How about a Fisher & Paykel Unimatic Pulsating 1140rpm water saving machine with a clear acrylic case and a heat resistant plexiglass tub and agitator. It has automatic detergent dispensing. On the control panel, you can create your own cycle and wash action. Say it has different wash action settings: Frigidaire Pulsate, Kenmore long/short stroke, Automagic Swirl, etc. Top it off with a built-in MP3 player in the control panel so you listen to Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here CD while the clothes wash. Also, you get a free CDRom with "classic" washer sounds so when the washer shifts into its different modes, it will sound like the classic machine you've always wanted ie a Kenmore belt-drive spinning.

Of course this washer would be pretty expensive but would be like having Uni's basement rolled into one machine :-D

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Post# 4493-9/4/2001-10:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: And perhaps even better than a Miele? LOL

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Post# 4494-9/4/2001-10:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: and perhaps a pink cabinet?

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Post# 4495-9/4/2001-10:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (And......)
MESSAGE: It passes the sand test

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Post# 4496-9/4/2001-10:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: I'm glad you enjoyed those Louis, it's a lot easier for me to post them for everyone on the web then try to get them onto video. With the marriage of the computer and the TV right around the corner (don't they make a cute couple), you'll be able to view these on the tv screen screen too. DVD/Internet will be the way to go for these. Another project for the future.

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Post# 4497-9/4/2001-11:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (you made a good choice)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny

Please don't let the Whirlpool/Maytag debate get to you. It is not directed at you or your purchase. The fact is you bought your Maytag because you liked it and will have a blast doing your laundry with it. (I must admit I find the Atlantis appealing, too. It would be fun to do some laundry in it.) Yes, it has that nice long agitator stroke, and that is because it is the Norge washer in Maytag clothing. Which is fine...every washer ever built had its strengths and weaknesses. I hope you enjoy your Atlantis!

I switched to a front-loader (Frigmore) a little over a year ago. I am so happy with it that I wouldn't even consider a modern top-loader. It is fun to use and does a fantastic job. And, that is just my opinion and my preference.

We all have to be careful when reading posts, because when one is reading a message you don't have facial expressions, intonations, or body gestures to help you discern whether someone is speaking tongue-in-cheek, seriously, sarcastically, or whatever. This is a great group of people and I'm sure you will have a lot of fun here.

Rich

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Post# 4498-9/4/2001-11:34 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: My appology
MESSAGE: To all in Applianceville:
I want to appologize for my post 4434 regarding 'Negative Feedback'. No one has actually been negative regarding my Atlantis purchase. Im the one who asked for some feedback so I realize I should be willing to accept all opinions - even non positive ones! In fact, most of you have been really nice and supportive of my interest in appliances and my new membership here. I have been having a great time with the postings and would actually like to connect to a live appliance chat (the one that has a link here is always empty). Anyway, I DO appreciate all your feedback and I DO realize that no one washer is 'everything' to everyone. Maybe Im a little uptight because I spent so much (749.00) on the Maytag Atlantis! LoLoL
I hope to have a long and rewarding relationship here at Classicappliances.com

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Post# 4499-9/4/2001-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P DishDrawer)
MESSAGE: Mike, I've heard opinions on the DishDrawer to the extreme in both directions -- some people hate it and some love it.  I've also heard of some rather serious technical/mechanical/design problems.  F&P recently made a model change, perhaps addressing some of those problems.

I would love to try one, but the cost is a bit high for "playing."

Leslie told me he has seen one disassembled, and the motors are very small, and there is not much of a filtering system.

I've included a link to Epinions.com, which you may find helpful.
LINK: http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Large_Appliances-All-Dishwashers-Fisher_and_Paykel

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Post# 4500-9/4/2001-12:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Sure it'd be great to start our own company & produce the optimum product. But we all know, so many people don't really care how their laundry is done. Many don't even know the brand they have. They just throw it in and let it go. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Post# 4501-9/4/2001-12:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: Yes, the rinsing queen.

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Post# 4502-9/4/2001-12:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Videos
MESSAGE: Wow, Uni's getting lots of video traffic. I'm trying to access the videos but Yahoo's kicking me out telling me that the bandwidth is overloaded, meaning heavy traffic.

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Post# 4503-9/4/2001-12:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appology
MESSAGE: Lenny, we used do a lot more Yahoo Messengering when we were part of Yahoo Clubs, but since we now have our own web site, that's kinda vanished so to speak. Personally, I miss that part of our comraderie and had expressed this as my only negative thought to transitioning to what is otherwise an incredible web site. I still get on Messenger from time to time, but nobodys there. I always hope though. There's a lot of email traffic between us members though, which can still be almost as rewarding. There are ways to get around not being able to chat. But, Dadoes (Glenn) did set up the chat room to solve this delimma too, prior to the web site even being executed. Maybe we need to get more organized and set a time where we all can meet online & chat via that chat room. It has great possibilities. And yes, I'm still very glad you've joined us and don't despair over what has happened over the past few days. Like any family, we have our spats at times and unfortunately, you got caught in one early on in joining our group. Basically, we're all a fun-loving group of people who are crazy about appliances--vintage ones-and many of us try to keep up with what new on the market to assist friends in their purchases. Bob

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Post# 4504-9/4/2001-12:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: DishDrawer Manuals
MESSAGE: Here is a link for downloading use/care manuals in .pdf format for Fisher & Paykel products.
LINK: http://www.fp.co.nz/CustomerCare/Usecare/Usercare.html

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Post# 4505-9/4/2001-12:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos
MESSAGE: Awwww, I haven't had a chance to see them yet at all.

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Post# 4506-9/4/2001-13:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: RINSING QUEEN

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Post# 4507-9/4/2001-13:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Maybe the triangular window could be rose colored, not a rose window. You can't see much through those. TT

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Post# 4508-9/4/2001-13:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appology (Chat)
MESSAGE: One possibility for Chat is to open the chat room and minimize it while you are doing other things on-line.  There is an audible signal, a kind of "boink" sound, that indicates when somebody arrives.  You never know when somebody might pop in.  You can't close the browser window from which the chat is rooted, but you can leave that window open (minimized), and open another window for more surfing.

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Post# 4509-9/4/2001-13:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Ut Oh)
MESSAGE: Interesting, what I did was to post them in a Yahoo briefcase. Then I linked the hyperlink directly from the Video page to the Yahoo site (something tells me Yahoo isn't going to like that). I wanted to see if we would overload the Yahoo site and I bet we did. I did this as I didn't want to overload our Classicapplinaces server. I wonder if its really overloaded temporarily or did we go over a certain bandwidth amount and they shut down the briefcase for good. For those who don't know bandwidth is the amount of megabites that have been sent out from a particular area in a server.

Please keep me posted as to whether this is working or not. My biggest mistake was to post too many videos at once. I should probably do one a week or so.

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Post# 4510-9/4/2001-13:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Robert's basement in one machine)
MESSAGE: No way could Robert's basement be rolled into one macine. There would not be room for all of us to celebrate in there. Robert's basement is one of the high sacred places where appliance energy from all over the universe is focused when appliance people gather there. It's almost like Tibetan prayer wheels, except ours are electrically driven and each machine has many wheel-like devices from timer motors, to main motors to drive components to dials and tubs (except the rubber tub) and fans and on and on and on. Tom

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Post# 4511-9/4/2001-13:22 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Conventioniers)
MESSAGE: When's the next convention??? My job occasionally takes me to Minneapolis, although travel is limited right now because of the tech slowdown.

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Post# 4512-9/4/2001-13:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Robert's basement in one machine)
MESSAGE: I know Tom, and it's SO exciting to experience.

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Post# 4513-9/4/2001-14:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: I think lots of people are trying to stream off of your Yahoo site OR you can't make direct links to it. I would try to find a low cost hosting service that would let you store videos to share.

The best practice is to right-click and download the file.

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Post# 4514-9/4/2001-14:21 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: These video's were not set up to stream, they could only be downloaded with a right-click as Yahoo doesn't allow direct links to them. I'm getting the message "Account Bandwidth Exceeded, try again later". I'm not sure how long of a time "try again later" means. I'll bet so many people right-clicked and downloaded the videos during the morning that we went over that Yahoo Briefcase Bandwidth limit for the day, so tomorrow we should be able to continue downloading.

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Post# 4515-9/4/2001-15:18 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: I don't know if this helps, but I found I could not download the Westinghouse sand video yesterday using Netscape Navigator. Microsoft IE however worked ok.


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Post# 4516-9/4/2001-17:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Amana?? You've been inhaling too much Ariel at the Mat!

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Post# 4517-9/4/2001-18:01 ||| Foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: I'd better come out of the closet too: I like Amana washers. There, I said it!

Louis

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Post# 4518-9/4/2001-18:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t
MESSAGE: The pictures are finally devellopped. I put them in two albums. One contains the pictures taken at the convention and the ones taken after that are in the album called The trip. Since my last film wasn't full I took a few pictures at home.

Louis

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Post# 4519-9/4/2001-18:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Silly me put the link in the subject line, duh!

Georgia, is that GO or GA?

hee hee hee!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4520-9/4/2001-18:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Thinking!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

Thanks for the link, does look a radically different machine, always had Bosch Siemens and they are real workhorses..

Got a few more weeks to deceide..

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4521-9/4/2001-19:34 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Rollermatic
MESSAGE: Hi all:
I am just wondering (or curious actually) why Frigidaire stopped manufacturing its famous 'Jetcone' washer with the pulsing jet action. That was a great machine and Frigidaire was famous for that wash action. Nowadays Frigidaire doesnt really have a reputable name as far as quality and durability goes (at least thats what a lot of people in the industry tell me). Does anyone really know why they scrapped their pulse action top loaders for a traditional agitator? Lenny

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Post# 4522-9/4/2001-19:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: New Frigidaire action
MESSAGE: Also, a question on the newest Frigidaire washers... Dothe newest models still use the counter rotating tub against the action of the agitator stroke? Iv'e seen some later model Frigidaire/Gibson units that seem to be always rotating their tub during the wash cycle in counter-movements to the agitator stroke. Is this still their format? Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4523-9/4/2001-20:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting your pictures - must have taken all day! I love your new-old cooktop, very vintage looking.

How many loads of washing did you do from those two piles in the Miele?

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Post# 4524-9/4/2001-20:12 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: And please remember, it must have a console light too!!!

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Post# 4525-9/4/2001-20:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: And an interior light.

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Post# 4526-9/4/2001-21:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Lights)
MESSAGE: It has a germicidal lamp, an interior light, a black light, disco lights, and a regular console light. Of course who wants lights with it's plasma display. Oh, it's cable/satellit/digital TV ready too so you can watch your favorite show. The built in CD player is also a DVD player so I can watch my roller coaster videos while washing the clothes. The newest model has a 100base-T network card so now you can log in to www.classicappliances.com and chat while waiting for your laundry.

(Now I'm getting silly)

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Post# 4527-9/4/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: When I added the north laundry room, I decided to use a laundry tub for the draining of all 4 washers. I put the lint snares (yes, I know they look like condoms) on at the same time and have used the machines for the last couple of months and tonight, I had to pull down one of the snares to allow open space for the water to flow through. 3 of the 4 machines have recirculating filters, so you must remember that these machines also had lint (in varying amounts, of course) that was caught and retained inside the machine. Also, the one with the least amount of ling gets used the most out of the four washers. See for yourself which machine gets the above average marks on lint production
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=Lint+Snares.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4528-9/4/2001-22:56 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: The video links seem to be working fine again, YAY. Oh and as for Netscape users, you have to select Save Link As. I've updated the instructions for you Netscrapers on the Video Page.

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Post# 4529-9/4/2001-22:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (huhu you said condom)
MESSAGE: heh heh hhe hehe heheh hehe heheh hehe cool
huhu huhu uhh.. let me see your agitator
NO WAY BUNGHOLE! hehe hehe hheeh you said agitator

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Post# 4530-9/4/2001-23:04 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Very fun pictures Louis, thanks for posting them!

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Post# 4531-9/4/2001-23:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Rollermatic (The Frigidaire tragic fate)
MESSAGE: What happened to Frigidaire was the most tragic series of events in the appliance world. White Consolidated purchased Frigidaire in 1979 with the intention of upgrading their own products. Their origional plan was to move all the production from general moters plants to their own setup. They realy didn't know what they were doing from the start. They only continued to keep manufacturing going with GM for 2 years. Towards the end of 1980 they anounced that changes in the appliance lines would be made for the better. Everone I spoke to at the time assumed the GM line was to be upgraded. But in early 1981 when new shipments came in their was all new stuff and everything looked like Frigidaire appliances from the outside but in reality it all was Westinghouse products from than on. They tried to fool everyone with the exterior looks. But they screwed themselves. If they were smart they would have at least kept the washing machines & the refrigation than at least they would have gotton away with some switching. They make some improvments since 1981 because Electrolux bought them - but it will never be GM appliances.
How tragic
Peter

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Post# 4532-9/4/2001-23:14 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: While its a bit hard to make out exactly the lint amounts in the picture, it appears that the Whirlpool (Super-Surgilator) is the worst lint maker, with the Maytag next in line, the 1-18 comes in third and the least lint maker is the Frigidaire 3-Ring Agitator. One thing Consumer Reports always said about Frigidaire was the statement "Less Linting than with most".

Sort of shows what I've believed all the time, is that the pulsator is a more gentle way of washing. My jeans have never lasted as long as they do now, since I've been washing them in 3-ring agitators for the past 4.5 years.

Of course this is just my opinion, but unless I'm seeing things, I have definately seen a difference in the wear and tear on my clothes.

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Post# 4533-9/4/2001-23:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Man, those videos bring back memories.. Wait a minute.. I'm only 30 years old, I wasn't even alive yet.. Maybe in a past lifetime, I was a child of the 50s and my parents had a Unimatic. Makes you think I'm crazy. Well... I am.

Well, you can't go back in time but you can watch appliance history through the eyes of the TV camera.

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Post# 4534-9/4/2001-23:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: HE3T
MESSAGE: I saw the new he washer at 2 sears stores - I asked if it could go under counter and they said no! I also was able to obtain the instruction manual - but some of the cycle indications are unclear. It realy doesn't explain how many rinses are given on a regular cycle. So with the extra rinse what is the total rinses? What I didn't like about the machine was 1st the window had kind of a cloudly tint (making viewing harder) But add a strobe light & it would be awsome! The only other thing was inside the tub was the plastic baffels. I had hoped they would be in stainless steel. I did love the detergent dispenser and the pedistal. Don't get me wrong I still liked what I saw. Has anyone taken it for a spin. I would love to obtain a tape.
Peter

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Post# 4535-9/4/2001-23:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (3-ring agitator)
MESSAGE: That's because the Frigidaire agitators don't SCRAPE your clothes with its fins. It moves the water and the clothes rub against each other. Front-load cleaning in a top-load washer. It's a shame they don't make those anymore.

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Post# 4536-9/4/2001-23:20 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure Jason, but its very hard to believe that the towel wash in AD would keep the rinse water so clear that you could practically drink it.

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Post# 4537-9/4/2001-23:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: Yes, Uni, I selected save link as with Netscape but got a long error message. IE worked fine on the same machine though. Maybe it's just me.


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Post# 4538-9/4/2001-00:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: I tried several methods to get a better shot of the lint in the snares, but that's hard to do. Most of the lint is along the outside with some accumulation at the bottom. The 3-ring has less than 1/2 the lint of any other machine in it's snare and it's the machine I use more than the others. That WP snare is a combination of the Super-Surgilator, Super Roto Swirl, and the Vari-Flex.

I do love that 3-Ring pulsator - even without the fast spin, it's my favorite agitation, the proof is in the snare.

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Post# 4539-9/4/2001-00:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T
MESSAGE: Peter, all cycles have 2 rinses, the "2nd"2 rinse adds a third. The sanitary or whitest whites has the auto 2nd rinse added. Magic Clean is supposed to be mailing me the cycle sequence charts for each cycle. I'll let you know when I receive them. Miss Jet Cone has her HE machines already & supposedly jetcone in Boston has ordered a pair.

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Post# 4540-9/4/2001-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Now, if we could just put a 3-ring in a 1/18 or find me a rapid dry machine with a 3-ring to put in it instead of the jet action. The 3-ring with the large tub of the JA could allow a true 12-pound load, just about.

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Post# 4541-9/4/2001-00:38 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: We bought a Frigidaire top loader shortly after moving into our new house this spring. I wasn't thrilled with the idea but the price was right and it had the options I wanted in a new machine. To answer the indexing tub question...yes, it still moves counter clockwise with each clockwise agitator stroke. Combined with the "twin spin" auger agitator, it is a decent, gentle washing action. My family had a "Horizon 2000" White Westinghouse in the early 90's and I must say the Electolux buyout of Frigidaire Company/WCI has produced a better machine. There is less linting (we have a chocolate lab and cat...plenty of hair!!) with this machine compared to the older WCI designs. I finally opened up the front panel recently to see that the pump and motor have been redesigned. The pump is now separate with its own motor (like a GE) and the motor has been moved to the lower right front of the machine; transmission looks to be the same. Someone in the club was talking in the last few about faulty ATC controls on washers. My machine has the ATC that regulates only on the wash water fills but I think it might be failing becasue it only cycles the hot water on once during the fill. When it was brand new, it did it several times. I guess I need to have Electrolux come out and take a look. On a difference subject, we just bought a Frigidaire frost free freezer a few weeks back. It is one of the new very high efficiency units. I was surprised at much louder it is than other freezers I have used but it's in the basement so it's no big deal. I assumed because it's so efficient it must have a new compressor design. Does anyone know?? Whatever the design, I hope it lasts longer than my mom's. She just replaced a 7 year old White Westinghouse refrigerator when the compressor failed and last year she replaced her 4 year old Kenmore by Frigidaire frost free freezer with the same problem. However, Sears made it good and gave her a $200 food loss allowance and let her exchange it for a new Kenmore free of charge. Sorry if this post rambled!! Darren

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Post# 4542-9/4/2001-00:43 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Denny,

I understand that the new more energy efficient fridges and freezers use solid injected foam insulation, which has a higher R value than spun fiberglass insulation. But it also transmits sound better, so that's why the newer fridges can be noisier than older ones.

That said, my new Kitchenaid 25 cu ft sxs fridge is noticibly quieter than the 1986 GE harvest gold montrosity it replaced, and uses 1/3 the energy. I just hope I can get 16 years out of the Kitchenaid.


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Post# 4543-9/4/2001-00:52 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Granny in the Frigidiaire Ad!
MESSAGE: Shes so cute! I just want to give her a big hug!

Id buy her a Unimatic anyday!

I miss my Nan.

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Post# 4544-9/4/2001-01:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: OK, just tried another download with Netscape. The problem is that it APPEARS to work ok, but if you look at the file, it's only saved 1k of it. IE however saves the whole enhilada.

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Post# 4545-9/4/2001-01:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: GE Swivel Top Video (drag around disaster preventer)
MESSAGE: Way cool! I had a later model GE swivel top I picked up at a thrift store in the '80's. Same general design as the one in the commercial, except it had a plastic swivel top instead of chromed steel or aluminum. It worked ok on hardwood floors, but was a bust on the shag rugs in my rental home. I finally ditched it a year or two before I moved in '97. Wish I had it now. I think I saved the GE logo band for a while, but even that has gone. Easy come, easy go. Plus I have too many vacuum cleaners anyway.



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Post# 4546-9/4/2001-01:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Hooray for the videos!
MESSAGE: Just watched the two All commericals. Fanstastic!

Now, I'm wondering... is there any chance anyone has a copy of an old mid-50's Babbo cleanser commercial?

And Uni, is that you sliding down the hill in the Advanced All commercial? ;-)


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Post# 4547-9/4/2001-01:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Fortunately it didn't take all day, but at least a few hours. The function which give you the possibility to upload several pictures at once was very useful. The cooktop is from the fifties.

Most of the whites went in and the rest was washed later (a few towels). I did the colors in several loads because there were some items with colors that bleed.

Louis

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Post# 4548-9/4/2001-01:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Cool test Greg, Frigidaire rules again!!

Louis

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Post# 4549-9/5/2001-05:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Rich

Ye should have more faith in ones Kitchen Aid. However the jury is still out on that ice bucket in the door.

SD

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Post# 4550-9/5/2001-05:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Louis, where have you used an Amana? Tom

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Post# 4551-9/5/2001-05:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: Not just an interior light, but one that stays on during the cycle.

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Post# 4552-9/5/2001-06:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Remember those two Amanas we saw during the saleing? Maybe Louis snuck off and used one hwile we weren't watching. Maybe he gave it a B12 shot to help it with its anemic agitation. LOL

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Post# 4553-9/5/2001-06:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't suppose that this WP has a self-cleaning filter that is flushing this much lint? Tom

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Post# 4554-9/5/2001-06:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Advanced Detergent)
MESSAGE: AD was famous for sudsless rinses. We used to use it in our WH FL until we could not get it any more. The other thing that seems shocking to us today is the clarity of the rinse water. This was because of the phosphates in the detergents. They did not make the water cloudy like the inferior sodium carbonate and other builders that they use in place of phosphates today. Phosphated detergents did rinse out better in general. Of course, high sudsers has sudsier rinse water than low sudsers like AD. Remember the Dash ad where they caught the rinse water coming out of the drain hose in a drinking glass to show its clarity? Never mind that the force of the water would have produced a splash that would have soaked the lady holding the glass. Tom

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Post# 4555-9/5/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Greg, still love those Vatican brand condoms. No insult to anyone intended. Tom

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Post# 4556-9/5/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T
MESSAGE: I think it was Jason who told me that the Whitest Whites puts the bleach in the first rinse like the Calypso, so you are not getting an extra rinsing rinse, you have an extra bleaching rinse. I am very suspicious of the rinsing ability of the new "eye dropper" machines. Rinsing Queen

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Post# 4557-9/5/2001-06:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Tom,

I never used an Amana, already when I was a newby on the internet and found Amana's website I had a weak spot for them. Don't ask me why, I just liked them. Perhaps the stainless steel drum was the first thing that hit me. This might surprise you, but with certain things you don't have to have experience to know that you like it.

Louis

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Post# 4558-9/5/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Bob, right after I moved up here in 76 and had dreams about my avocado Rapidry WIN in storage, there was an ad in the paper for a Frigidaire washer that showed the Jet Action Agitator. I found the nearest store and went for a look. It was a very basic 1-18 with only one water level and the little agitator waaaaaay down in the bottom looking like a child at the bottom of a two story atrium. I guess they were trying to use up some old stock. Anyway, it would fit, not that it gave better action than the 1-18 agitator. Tom

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Post# 4559-9/5/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Still, with a good compressor that has adequate internal suspension and quiet fans for the evaporator and condenser (if it uses a condenser fan) a new freezer does not have to be loud. That is just one of those quality factors that they might not care about anymore since freezers are often away from living spaces where noise would be a problem. Tom

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Post# 4560-9/5/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Well, I am glad to hear that you love them without having used them. Your AHH could change to an OY if you saw and HEARD one in action. Tom

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Post# 4561-9/5/2001-06:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Thanks App - I think it would have been better to start with 3 rinses & add a 4th - I guess it's a water conservation issue.
Peter

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Post# 4562-9/5/2001-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: It was a very UN-scientific test, just put the snares on and let them run. I was washing Sunday night and water was spraying around the top edge of the WP snare as it couldn't get out the snare with plugged edges. I may pick up some ladies hose to try that next.

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Post# 4563-9/5/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: No that machine has the brush recirc. filter. The brush catches a lot, but is messy to clean.

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Post# 4564-9/5/2001-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: I still want to try the 3-ring in the 1-18, just to see the action, but I don't want the hassle of getting that 1-18 agitator out.

That BOL Frigidaire you speak of had a timed fill, released in fall of 75.

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Post# 4565-9/5/2001-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: You may be able to get more water in through the dispenser drawer, but the safety features on the machine may be a problem. When it senses too much water, your deep rinse would be over.

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Post# 4566-9/5/2001-07:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, when I did both last night and this morning using netscape 4.7 I get the full version of the video file. Netscape has a funny way of naming the files. I checked both the windows explorer and see the files size is 1.6mb on the Westy1 file. Then I closed the internet connection and launched it and it played just fine.

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Post# 4567-9/5/2001-07:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (No Silly)
MESSAGE: No silly, I was the one on the beach screaming "My Wash Is Cleaner".

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Post# 4568-9/5/2001-07:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Peteski, there's also an option that you can use, after the cycle has completed for a "rinse & spin". "Intended to add fabric softener to the load" according to the user manual.

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Post# 4569-9/5/2001-08:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: I know this is 70s but do you have the commercial with the Frigidaire vs. Kenmore dual-action agitator? I do remember that one. For that matter, do you have any appliance/detergent commercials from the 70s?

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Post# 4570-9/5/2001-08:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: I used Netscape 6.0 to download the Kelvinator commercial and it worked just fine too, so I'm not sure what's going on with your version of Netscape Rich.

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Post# 4571-9/5/2001-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, I don't have that one.

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Post# 4572-9/5/2001-08:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: I do have a few detergent commercials from the 70's. I'll get around to posting those eventually.

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Post# 4573-9/5/2001-08:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (:-()
MESSAGE: Well, hopefully the few 70s ones you have will spark some memories.



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Post# 4574-9/5/2001-08:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (rinsing)
MESSAGE: And it's not like there is a rinse and spin button to give an extra rinse either, or even a spin only. It is almost as inflexible as those electronic Superbas I had. TT

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Post# 4575-9/5/2001-08:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Bob, great, I had thought there was no such provision. I did not remember that from the Sears visit. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4576-9/5/2001-09:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Tom, there's also a "spin only" button as well as "extended spin" option for many of the cycles. I've been put on the waiting list for the merchandising guide for the Duet WP version--will see how they differ. Although it looks more "mechanical" than the Kenmore, I'm willing to bet you it's kinda like the Miele Novotronics where you just dial the cycle and push start and it then electronically takes over. Don't think there's a potential for dial pushing here either. But, I'd adjust if I had to.

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Post# 4577-9/5/2001-10:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: If you do that make sure you use a cable tie or something like that to hold it on the drain hose and keep an eye on the drain hole in the sink. As the stocking fills with lint it will 'grow' and find its way over the drain hole and you may have flood situation on your hands.

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Post# 4578-9/5/2001-10:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Well, after reading all about rotary compressors I'm wondering if the KA has one or if it has the more expensive and reliable scroll compressor.

The door mounted ice bucket seems to be relatively trouble free. I do notice that the ice tends to clump together in the bucket, but that big stirring wand in the bucket seems to be able to keep the cubes coming anyway. The electric eye ice level detector seems very trouble free, unlike those darn trip wires in more pedestrian designs.


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Post# 4579-9/5/2001-10:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: Yeah! Let's hear it for phosphates! Vintage detergents had it all over the junk we are supposed to prefer today.


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Post# 4580-9/5/2001-10:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: What's the deal with lint socks? Are they really needed to protect the plumbing from lint? I mean, modern washers have these "self cleaning lint filters" which simply dump the lint down the drain. I mean, what with garbage disposals and what goes down the toilet, I can't see a little or even a lot of lint causing drain problems.

Is the sock lint filter real purpose for if you use a suds saver washer and dump the wash water into a utility sink, to be re-used for the next wash? That way the lint from the previous load would not be introduced into a new batch of laundry.

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Post# 4581-9/5/2001-10:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Come back, little Babbo
MESSAGE: Does anybody besides me remember a Babbo cleanser from the early fifties? I used to run around the house when I was about 2 years old singing my version of the Babbo TV jingle. I was the hit of the home cocktail circuit, until my inhibitions caught up with me. I'd give almost anything to hear that jingle again.


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Post# 4582-9/5/2001-10:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: It can make a difference, depending upon design of plumbing. In my parents' 40-year old house, the laundry line connects with the line from the garbage disposal/sink. Mom's basically quit using the disposal because otherwise, between ground up stuff & lint, Roto-Rooter has to make a call once a year or so.


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Post# 4583-9/5/2001-10:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Come back, little Babbo
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember Babbo, that's how I got one of my nicknames, Bobbo.

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Post# 4584-9/5/2001-10:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Because)
MESSAGE: Because they look like condoms

huhuh huhuhhhu huhuu huhu huhuh huh
I said condom


(being silly again)

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Post# 4585-9/5/2001-10:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Come back, little Babbo (I probably have it somewhere)
MESSAGE: I know I have at least one Babbo commercial from the 1950's. Since I have about 15 hours of commercials on tape, finding it is the problem. I will keep it in the back of my head when I'm looking at some of my tapes.

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Post# 4586-9/5/2001-10:42 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Ahhhh, tranquility today. It's safe to come out and play again! No more rotary compressors since the changeover to R134a several years ago.

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Post# 4587-9/5/2001-10:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: There are two reasons I used them. First, we have a septic tank and the lint will find it's way to the drain field and lodge in the holes of the drain pipe clogging everything up, which in turn makes everything come up in the bath tub. Granted the lint sock is not that effective, but it does help. Stockings work better.

Second, in some old houses the drain pipes are copper, like mine. I guess when they built this house the plumber was in a hurry and left some burrs on the pipe somewhere after the washer and kitchen drain and before the main connection to the 4in pipe. So we had to snake the line all the time to remove huge balls of lint. This can also happen to people who have PVC or Iron drain pipe.

However I no longer worry about that because the washer drains in the yard.

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Post# 4588-9/5/2001-10:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's safe.....
But you never know when that may change. Kinda like our weather.

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Post# 4589-9/5/2001-10:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Unimatic looks like he's in 'heaven'(hooked photo) inhaling that detergent aroma. Louis, your albums are super. What a journey around the country for you! That Sears warehouse in Tucker Ga, is something.....you should see whats out back! There are many more just like it around the U.S. Several southeastern states worth of returned goods end up there from both builder and retail sales. Kinda gives you an idea of the volume that moves through their system. Take care...Leslie

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Post# 4590-9/5/2001-11:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Bob, I am not worried about dial pushing; these machines and many others are way beyond allowing that. I do think there has to be options for rinse & spin and spin only. That at least gives some flexibility for an extra rinse. Tom

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Post# 4591-9/5/2001-11:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: Some people have plumbing systems prone to clogging or septic tanks. Lint can clog the holes in the leaching pipes and render a field useless. A friend had a house where the washer emptied into a sink and a sump pump then had to lift the water to the level of the sewer line. She kept a lint sock on the drain hose to avoid clogging the pump. You are right that most people do not need them. However, what goes down the other drains is usually not threadlike in nature and does not have as much propensity to catch on to rough places and form deposits. As far as suds savers, they would not work with a lint sock because the same hose that drains the suds sucks the water back so it would not prevent lint recirculation. The Sears machines with suds saver and self cleaning filters do something really smart; they do not backwash the lint filter until the suds valve closes when the machine goes into the first spin. When the water starts draining through the main drain hose, not the suds hose, the lint is sent down the drain. Also suds savers leave about a half inch of water sitting in the tub so that lint and debris from the preceeding load can settle out and not be sucked back again. You always pull the plug after the water goes back into the washer to get rid of the water left in the sink. Tom

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Post# 4592-9/5/2001-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Greg,

Like on other European frontloaders there might be quite a margin so you can ad water, but it might get really messy because you have to pull out the drawer and the water might be running out under the drawer. I experienced this several times.

Louis

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Post# 4593-9/5/2001-11:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: We were told in a service training meeting that the next big feature to be introduced is the continuously operating variable speed compressor. You need an inverter to change AC to DC for the compressor since it is not feasable to have a continuously variable speed AC motor. Japanese heat pumps introduced this concept back in the 80s. It will mean far more even temperatures in the boxes since there will be no off time, just periods of greater and lesser refrigeration. Tom

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Post# 4594-9/5/2001-11:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I was waiting for this!! LOL

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Post# 4595-9/5/2001-11:31 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Tom, not sure what the question was...but there is a stand alone rinse/spin and separate drain/spin buttons. Both settings permit the adjustment of the spin speed, however they are preset to extra-high.

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Post# 4596-9/5/2001-11:37 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Tom your right. Only on certain built-in products.

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Post# 4597-9/5/2001-11:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: The volume is indeed impressive. There were many Calypso's there, new and used, most of them dented. To me it seems the Calypso has quite a niche on the market, considering that most people that buy one keep it. I still find it a most peculiar washer. I definitely would like to test one for a while. Alas..

Louis

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Post# 4598-9/5/2001-11:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Why Louis, I had no idea that you would even think of such an action. It is much easier to do this little operation with my Miele which has the hole down to the tank in front than with the poor Creda which has her hole in back and nothing to stop the rush of water forward if the drawer is not fully inserted. For the Creda you have to pull the drawer out and insert the hose in the hole at the back like a douche and then be sure not to run the water too fast so that the air bubbles backing out can get past the water without carrying a flood with them making another mess. For the Miele, just partially opening the drawer and putting the hose in allows me to fill her for rinses up to the point where the hi limit pressure switch starts the pump to drain excess water. Tom

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Post# 4599-9/5/2001-11:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Thanks. Sounds like some good planning. Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4600-9/5/2001-12:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Does your Miele have the higher water level on the delicate cycle? My mother's old Miele had that and I often turned the left control on the delicate cycle so it would fill on a higher level. The Mieles with the 3 controls are excellent for dial pushers.

It's indeed not difficult to do this on the Miele, my AEG like your Creda is more difficult to fill manually.

Louis

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Post# 4601-9/5/2001-12:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: My vote goes to the Christmas Frigidaire commercial. One thing I love is Christmas time. That's the best time of the year. I'd gladly buy that old lady a new washer.

What's everyone else's favorite video?

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Post# 4602-9/5/2001-13:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Leslie, now you're being silly, YEAH RIGHT,..or put another way, Right On Dude!!!!

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Post# 4603-9/5/2001-13:10 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: Of the videos recently posted, my vote would be for the Westinghouse Sand Test, it's by far the most over-the-top. For all the video's that I've digitzied for the club, my favorite would be the Frigidaire Control Tower video. I need to redigitize those older videos that I did last year into this new larger screen, but smaller file WMV format.

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Post# 4604-9/5/2001-13:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (YAY)
MESSAGE: So now we can get washer action on WMV format. I do have a request if possible. I want to see a video of the Automagic and the ABC-O-MATIC in action. The Lady Kenmore vidoes are awesome.

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Post# 4605-9/5/2001-13:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: Those are all good, but I kind of like the Easy Does It washer commercial. It has that amateur, hokey flavor that kids just love.


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Post# 4606-9/5/2001-13:41 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Amana Noisemaker 181)
MESSAGE: Tomturbomatic:
A good friend of mine had a 1994 model amana - next to TOL but not Touchmatic. Man oh Man was that a NOISY machine especially on the Slow agitation. The whole machine would vibrate and droan out all other sounds (including the TV and CDs). It had a nice wash action though with that 'infamous' 210 agitation stroke that looks more like 181 degrees...lolol.

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Post# 4607-9/5/2001-14:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

Are you sure thats right 2 plus one rinses???

Most Euro energy efficient front loaders can rinse 5 / 7 times with the water level low, they need directa jet action to pump the water to the centre of the wash load and even spin during the rinse to flush the rinse water through.

Many have an intensive rinse button which takes rinsing from 5 to seven rinses using small ammounts of water..in case of sensitve skin etc...

I am assuming that without a direct pump jet the Hettie must have deep fill rinses to do this properly ...

This is going to be an interesting one to watch..

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 4608-9/5/2001-14:33 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Sparingly)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

That certainly beats the watering can method!!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4609-9/5/2001-14:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike,

If they had high water level rinses or added more rinses, then they'd loose the race to be the most resource efficient machine. This is very important for the water deprived, "green" California tree hugging contingent. Besides, if your laundry doesn't come out of the washer reeking of detergent perfume or softener and still smell of the soap/softener 3 weeks later, many people don't consider the clothes clean. Maybe the American Association of Dermatologist have a stake in this race too, after all, poor rinsing will lead to more mysterious rashes in the most uncomfortable places.

I'm with Tom. Give me a garden hose.

-ph

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Post# 4610-9/5/2001-15:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Yes Mike, I believe that's what Leslie told me. Std. is 2, the "2nd" rinse button adds a 3rd. Back at ya, (Cheers) Bob

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Post# 4611-9/5/2001-15:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: The Dermatologists wouldn't wanna be involved, it would take away new business to soak away our finances LOL.

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Post# 4612-9/5/2001-16:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Amana Noisemaker 181)
MESSAGE: I could live with a noisy washer if the washaction is good. It's better than a silent washer that doesn't do a thing. My AEG is a noisy washer too, but I still love it.

Out of the closet Amana lover in Holland

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Post# 4613-9/5/2001-16:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike,

I think you are talking Asko now. That is the only washer that can do 7 rinses, but then again it doesn't spin between all rinses. My Miele does 4 rinses and my AEG does 3 but has a suds sensor and automatically adds an extra rinse if necessary.

Louis

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Post# 4614-9/5/2001-16:45 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!

Very cool. It's interesting how different machines produce different amounts of lint. Do you use the machines all equally?

My mom used to tie one of her old nylon stockings onto the end of the washer hose to keep the utility sink from clogging up with lint around the drain hole. I think she would change it about once a year! It would weigh about 15 pounds when it was full! Ha! It looked so strange in the sink when the machine was on...and was draining. The stocking would swell up and it looked like an woman's amputated leg floating in our laundry tub!

A neat test would be to wash identical loads of towels in several different machines and put a lint catcher on the end of each machine's hose and actually measure the same load's linting results from various machines.

I am a deprived boy, only having one washer, and can't play such cool games.

Rich

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Post# 4615-9/5/2001-16:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (video thanks)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

The videos are GREAT! (as Tony the Tiger would say). The Westy sand test is a scream! I always wondered what those "ladies clubs" did when they got together and now I know...they tested washers!

Many thanks to you and Jason for collaborating on your new technique.

Rich

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Post# 4616-9/5/2001-16:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (great pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Thanks for posting your great pics....and everyone else that posted pictures too! It was wonderful meeting everyone....especially you and Mike, who travel from another continent to the convention!

Rich

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Post# 4617-9/5/2001-17:11 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: I am surprized that Hettie only has 2 or 3 rinses. Using so little water, I feel you need more.

The Frigmore has 3 or 4 deep rinses (if you can call them that). I always have mine set for "extra rinse" so I get 4 rinses. My Frigmore also dispenses bleach in the first rinse ...which is good as it produces a much shorter bleaching period. I hardly ever use bleach however, and if I do I often put it in the wash water through the detergent dispenser during the last few minutes of the wash cycle. (I have to have those 4 rinses! Ha!)

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Post# 4618-9/5/2001-17:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Poor Louis. I understand that in Holland, a good Amana is hard to find.


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Post# 4619-9/5/2001-17:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Deprivity)
MESSAGE: Rich, you and I are both deprived!  (Or is that depraved??, LOL.)

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Post# 4620-9/5/2001-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Just popping in to say hello after having been gone on a trip to Arizona over the long holiday weekend. Our thrifting did not yield too terribly much but was fun to do nonetheless, and we did see a few interesting appliances, not the least of which was a near-mint harvest gold 1-18 dryer that I'm sure Greg is going to want to run right down and pick up to go with his washer, aren't you Greg! :-) We also saw an avacado green Gibson dryer and a Penncrest (Hotpoint) dryer, along with the other more typical things. I received some nice things from Roger's collection that I will scan or depict later, including a Frigidaire Repairmaster manual with some amusingly glaring errors in it, recognized even by a mechanical novice such as myself.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the pictures and things people have recently posted, and Robert it is very nice to have some of these fun commercials accessible online now too; I was watching some of them last night!

Everyone have a great week, Scott

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Post# 4621-9/5/2001-18:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Rich, you and I are significantly deprived. I could htink of other adjectives that would fit, but they aren't printable HA HAAA!!! We're just poor land-locked laundry area users. Sigh.

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Post# 4622-9/5/2001-19:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Hi No Cal Rich,

Hahahaha...hehehe....that was pretty funny! An Amana is good to find hard...or something like that. I think you are going to be good competition for Bob Appnut in the witty sayings department.

So Cal Rich



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Post# 4623-9/5/2001-20:06 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Deprivity)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn

probably both :-)

Rich

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Post# 4624-9/5/2001-20:43 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Click the link to see my new toy. And yes Tom, I know, you told me so.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/ram.html

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Post# 4625-9/5/2001-20:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: That's beautiful! Does it have a hitch on the back? You could haul a whole trailer full of appliances from the SD Burial Grounds!

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Post# 4626-9/5/2001-20:58 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (He3t Rinses)
MESSAGE: Rich I agree with you - my sister has the GE version of the Frigmore FL. She felt when she does use bleach the clothes weren't comming out white enough so she started adding bleach earlier in the cycle. In my Equator the Bleach dispenser adds bleach right away which is also no good. So I wait until about the last 8 - 10 minutes of the wash cycle to add bleach. I only use 1/4 cup and chase it down with a cup of cold water. Seems like all the FL designs need to get it together to make it dispense correctly. I don't use bleach that often only about once a month do I do a pure white load.
I also agree it should always be a option to have 3 to 4 rinses
after all that is the beauty of a FL (2 just doesn't cut it)
Peter

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Post# 4627-9/5/2001-21:01 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: A huge one that has never been used.

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Post# 4628-9/5/2001-21:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: My grandmother's Maytag drained into a long, shallow sink for many years and she used a nylon hose for the lint catcher. I always thought it was cool how it would float around in the water toward the drain on the opposite end. The lint would ball up in the end - haven't thought of that in years.

I was thinking of a knee high stocking for my needs - queen size!

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Post# 4629-9/5/2001-21:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Hoots,

Way cool, another mopar man...! The only thing I would change is to an eight foot bed... for those eight footers... a bed can never be too big... Other than that, a new pickemup is on my list. I've had to park mine for the past three years and it's getting quite difficult to haul stuff around without one... I'll probably go for a Dakota, though.


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Post# 4630-9/5/2001-21:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: But we still make messes and clean them up - which generates yet even more laundry, over and over again ----

Ya Gotta Love Laundry!

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Post# 4631-9/5/2001-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: Did you get to try any of the phosphate detergent and inspect the results? I've been using it for years and didn't even know it was bad for the enviornment (I was 4 or 5 years old during the scandalous changeover) until joining this club.

Here's the link to the "Speed Queen Dealer News" article on the horrors of non-phosphate detergents. I love how she plugs the stainless steel in their machines, the only thing that will protect your washer from utter doom!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Speed+Queen+Home+Service.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4632-9/5/2001-21:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: And how high is that on the door glass?

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Post# 4633-9/5/2001-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: If it's Westinghouse!

I love the sheer sillines of the whole thing - but I adore the hats!

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Post# 4634-9/5/2001-21:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, I did not see what I expected when I opened the picture, but that is a nice truck. From that vantage point, your neighborhood looks much like a suburban Minneapolis neighborhood. Enjoy. Will you be keeping the van as well, or no more van?

QEOM

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Post# 4635-9/5/2001-21:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Socal Rich, although I don't know about the hard to find Amanas. I prefer my major appliances to be easily located. and with user friendly interfaces ;-)

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Post# 4636-9/5/2001-22:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Watch it Rich, my wit stands unto itself, beyond compare. And you know it and love it--warning, I could ask Gary to slap you one!! LOL

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Post# 4637-9/5/2001-22:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason, more appliance hauling capacity!!!! Very nice.

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Post# 4638-9/5/2001-22:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason, control you self!!! You really could get hitched.

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Post# 4639-9/5/2001-22:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: Didn't I already mention those hats on Monday night???

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Post# 4640-9/5/2001-22:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: It's hard to see really how much lint is caught in them, they are way more open and flowing than you'd think, but I've used the 3-ring agitator more than the rest for about 1/2 of my washing and always for towels before the Duomatic was back on line last week. The 1-18 didn't do too badly in second place, but you have to add the lint from the filter too. Robert said a 3-ring would change my life and I have seen the light! Not perfect for everything, but excellent cleaning and the least linting of all the machines.

I have a Norge laundry scale and enough rags of similar sizes and fabrics that would make good test loads. Do they still sell "Leggs" hose? Remember the plastic eggs they came in?

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Post# 4641-9/5/2001-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Okay Greg, what isn't a 3-ring perfect for? Yes, I believe the still sell Leggs. And I still rtemember those eggs. What a marketing idea!!!, a real yoke.

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Post# 4642-9/5/2001-22:19 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Thats me! If I was going to put a tool box in the bed I would have went for the 8ft bed, but because of the damage it does to the bed rails I won't have one. So I have just about the same room as an 8ft bed with a tool box.

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Post# 4643-9/5/2001-22:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: Several people have mentioned the ladies' flair for hat shopping!

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Post# 4644-9/5/2001-22:34 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Yeah, I don't like those tool boxes, either. I would use all eight feet for motorcycles and 4x8 plywood sheets.

Unfortunately Dodge quit making Dakotas with 8 ft beds in '99 or 2000. And I've been looking for a vintage Dodge truck, as well. Figures.


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Post# 4645-9/5/2001-22:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: The 3-ring isn't perfect for large, bulky items. They don't move or roll over much, just sort of sit there and wiggle up and down. The 1-18 handles blankets and such OK, but a front loader is much better for most large size or bulky items. I hate beating them with an agitator in the other machines, especially expensive linens or handmade things.

As always, in my opinion...

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Post# 4646-9/5/2001-22:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: It may be your opinion, but you speak from experience and observation! And besides, you are "The Great Gansky. Dont' forget to bring your Stutz Bearcat in the garage tonight LOL.

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Post# 4647-9/5/2001-23:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: As much as I like my F&P, I wouldn't mind having a front-loader now.  Too bad I can't justify getting a Hettie.  8-(

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Post# 4648-9/5/2001-23:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Hettie Consumer Testing
MESSAGE: Leslie, can you get me signed-up for consumer-testing the next Hettie re-design?  LOLOL!

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Post# 4649-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, I keep forgetting to ask.  My KA washer had/has two or three little plastic storage thingies attached to the pedestal, each with a metal pin.  Some sort of spare part, I assume.  What exactly is it for?

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Post# 4650-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: OMG Glenn, you're caving in to the FL craze!!!

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Post# 4651-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Beautiful toy, Jason! Let's start a Dodge Ram club! I have one too!

Rich

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Post# 4652-9/5/2001-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: You have a very cool washer Glenn, resist the temptation for a while, they'll be available at the outlet store, just like Steve, Rhinne and Louis saw with the Calypso.

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Post# 4653-9/5/2001-23:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Also watch it Rich. I could move to Whittier, CA!

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Post# 4654-9/5/2001-23:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: I was told by a Sears store owner that the Calypso returns were going back to the factory instead of being disposed of or re-sold. He said it was the first time WP had ever done that. Could these warehouses be part of that returning system too?

I want one of those window lid models!

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Post# 4655-9/5/2001-23:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Weren't those the shipping pins to hold the mechanism steady in transport? I had a friend with a DD WP washer and one of the pins never came out, jacked up the suspension system after a while.

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Post# 4656-9/5/2001-23:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I am interested to see what kind of reliability factor the F&P is gonna come up with, so can't get rid of it either, no, no, no.

Ohhh, the agony of it all!  If only I could win the lottery (that would be some kinda trick, considering I don't play it), or pull some kinda windfall inheritance or . . . . something . . . . so I could take an early retirement and build my very own washer studio with all the coolest machines . . . vintage and modern.

Hmmm . . . Unimatic, Pulsamatic, Rollermatic, 1-18, Automagic, Duomatic, ABC, Westy, Speed Queen, Maytag AMP, something vintage from the Whirlpool family, Norge, Hotpoint, a pushbutton Maytag, one of those rare pushbutton KitchenAids (still never have seen that brochure), an electronic KitchenAid and/or Kenmore and/or Whirlpool, a Miele, a Dyson, F&P (an Intuitive!), Staber, Neptune, Calypso, Hettie.  ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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Post# 4657-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: When my LK was installed, they forgot to remove one of those, it happened to be right near the OOB, thus it didn't work right for the first 10 months, took that long before I had a load that needed the OOB. Got it fixed, but they kinda "broke the seal" of the dispensers and they haven't alwasys worked correctly since. Oh well.

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Post# 4658-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: It's interesting what you learn about your friends just chatting on the club! I never would have pictured you as a pickup truck kinda gal! 8-)

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Post# 4659-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Nope, Greg.  These are little plastic containers, attached to the bottom of the pedestal or main support plate or somewhere, each one containing a metal pin.  You can snap the container out to get the pin.  Maybe if I can get a chance to do it, I'll pull the cabinet and take a pic.

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Post# 4660-9/5/2001-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Glen, I'm still uncovering stuff in my bedroom. I know somewhere I've got to have an old KA brochure that has the push-button rapid advance washer & dryer. I'll let you know if/when I ever find it.

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Post# 4661-9/5/2001-23:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Well, did you forget the camera?

Welcome back - glad you had a good time in AZ, thrifting is always fun with fellow "thrifters."

I have had my fill of gold appliances for one lifetime - but thanks for thinking of me! Did your erroneous sales manual mention that from 1968 to 1978, three out of five laundry appliances made by Frigidaire were Harvest Gold? Might be an exaggeration, but it seems that way sometimes!

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Post# 4662-9/5/2001-23:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (You Can't Win If You Don't Play!)
MESSAGE: I have a client with the rapid advance dryer - which they use incorrectly. They were neat machines, a neat match to the dishwashers of the time.

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Post# 4663-9/5/2001-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Hmmm... I thought I had a parts/service manual for those first KA machines, but I only have the dryer stuff.

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Post# 4664-9/5/2001-23:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Reports of rain ranging from 12.6" to 20".  One resident claims to have collected 22.5" in his rain gauge.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/funnel-cloud.jpg

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Post# 4665-9/5/2001-00:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather (News Caption)
MESSAGE: Ooops, forgot to type out out the caption so Bob can read it easier:

Just before another wave of rain slammed into El Campo Sunday, several funnel clouds were spotted in the Pierce and U.S. 59 area.  None touched the ground, but the one shown above got close to the ground at El Campo's FM 960 exit about 2:30 p.m. Sunday.  There were no reports of tornado damage, but residents were thrilled about the extra rain.

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Post# 4666-9/5/2001-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Glenn, I am so glad I could share the wealth. My parents have been having lots of rain in Houston too.

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Post# 4667-9/5/2001-00:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pic. Yeah, too close for comfort. Although no comparrison, it still reminds me of the Jarrell tornado that whirled by here about 5 miles away, over lake Belton, destroying the marina, on its way to Jarrell. That was a frightening day for me. I now head for the linen closet everytime the tornado sirenns go off. Could be iembarrasing sometimes though, man found NILC.

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Post# 4668-9/5/2001-00:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Bob, if you do find it, why don't you send it up and I'll scan it for the club? I had no idea such a KA washer existed! Scott

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Post# 4669-9/5/2001-00:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather (NILC)
MESSAGE: LOLOLOL!!!!

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Post# 4670-9/5/2001-00:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! I think I do have a few pictures, but I haven't downloaded them out of the camera yet!

Actually the little Repairmaster manual Roger gave me will be an informative read for me, it will help me to continue to learn, and there is a lot in it that is correct based on my own knowledge and what I have learned from Uni and others. The book touts itself as being for the "Unimatic and Pulsamatic" Design. I found several errors though, the most glaring of which is an illustration of a WCI-61 (or 2 or 3, one of those!) which is identified as being a "Pulsamatic". It talks about washers all the way up to 1964, but the Multimatic is never once mentioned. I don't know what they missed, if there is a separate book, or how they came up with this.

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Post# 4671-9/5/2001-00:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: You bet!!!!

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Post# 4672-9/5/2001-01:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jason, you can sure haul a few washing machines with that one. Louis

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Post# 4673-9/5/2001-01:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: We don't have phosphate detergent anymore. And frankly I am very happy with my Ariel, wouldn't change it for something else.

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Post# 4674-9/5/2001-01:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Well then Rich, I can confirm that Amana's are hard to find overhere in Holland. I asked them and they said they wouldn't sell washers in Europe. They sell fridges overhere though. Louis

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Post# 4675-9/6/2001-02:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: John has the washer and dryer, next time I am there I will take a pic of them.

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Post# 4676-9/6/2001-02:28 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Long story short, the van is gone.

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Post# 4677-9/6/2001-03:53 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Product Placement and Classic TV)
MESSAGE: Tom,

I looked into this question, as it is still an issue that can be observed on television programs today. According to various production notes, and one very kind set designer, there are three reasons that this could have happened:
1. Someone was not paying attention to the items in the design
of the set, committing what we now know as a "blooper."
2. The cooktop shown in this episode was a GE product that was
provided by the company, but was not available to the
public. In other words, it was the type of product with
accessories that you would see displayed in a product
exhibition, like a home show.
3. This was deliberately done as a subtle way of attracting
interest to each of the GE and Hotpoint appliance lines.

At the time that Leave It To Beaver originally aired, both the GE and Hotpoint brands had visible presence in the appliance market. If you look at the closing credits of shows from the late 1950s on, you will typically see that some mention is made of who provided the automobiles present in the program, and who provided the fashions worn by the performers. This is hardly the case with appliances. In this example, the styling of the GE appliances shown was fairly distinctive, to the extent that the average consumer could readily recognize it,a point that GE continually made in its touting of "All Electric GE Kitchens" in advertising of the time. Of course, the Multi-Cooker pan did not appear in GE advertising, although it did in Hotpoint ads, so it would not be unusual for customers looking at GE products to ask about this at the appliance dealer. You do see where this leads, where a customer is asking a salesman about a top of the line item, and is shown something comparable (Remember, Hotpoint was a separate brand).

This was back in the days when appliances were not as widely available through the various outlets that we know today, like Best Buy, Loew's, Home Depot, and so on in addition to the bigger retailers like Sears. This type of product placement is still done today, where with computers you will typically see a character seated in front of a fabulous flat panel monitor, and a run-of-the-mill CPU is nearby. The monitor is what grabs your attention, and then you run out to your local retailer who happily points you to a device costing upwards of $1500 US.

I know that this is a rather long response to the issue you raised.



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Post# 4678-9/6/2001-04:01 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member (Belated Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Rich! I'm Darryl from down south.

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Post# 4679-9/6/2001-04:08 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Your boss's continued empoyment)
MESSAGE: Janet,

Judging from working with various personalities the past two weeks at my job, you and your boss have nothing to worry about. I work in Century City at a place well known for generating customers for your boss and his/her colleagues. Unfortunately, many of them are beyond the reach of what an automatic appliance does so well for us.

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Post# 4680-9/6/2001-04:18 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer (AEG availability)
MESSAGE: AEG is a brand that is available in Southern California, but not widely. There are five places, independent retailers, that I know of where they are on display either on the floor or in a catalog from which these machines can ordered. Three of these stores are in Santa Monica, one is in the border of West Holllywood/Beverly Hills, and another is in Torrance. There are probably more, but these were the ones that I was able to physically visit. All of these stores carry other upscale appliance brands as well. In addition, contractors are able to order them, but we are talking about house and interior designers for the well to do audience.

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Post# 4681-9/6/2001-05:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Epinions)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,

On Epinions.com a few people wrote about their Dishdrawers.

Louis
LINK: http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Dishwashers-Thermador-Fisher___Paykel_DishDrawer_DD602

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Post# 4682-9/6/2001-05:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Hello Louis! Yes! Yes! Yes!!! My Miele does fill halfway up the window for delicates and then only makes one revolution every 15 seconds or so. It is excellent for cradling delicates in the water so that they do not receive mechanical action from the vanes during tumble. When I saw how high it would fill for delicates, I figured it woud not hurt to fill it that full for rinses. Maybe you remember then that the cottons cycle gives about a 10-15 second spin at the end of the 2nd rinse. Then it coasts and continues to drain. This spin is good for getting the bulk of the still sudsy water out of the clothes so that the high speed spin I give it does not slog down with sudsy water between the tubs. As it is coasting, I push the power button to turn it off and advance the timer two clicks to the end of the 3rd rinse and turn it back on. If the load is well balanced, I click it into spin. If the load is not balanced, I let it stop and then reposition itself with the two brief tumble periods before the 1 minute of 900 rpm spin. At the end of this spin, I push the on/off button and advance the dial to the third rinse and restart it. The extra high speed spin period really helps with rinsing. As you have seen from pictures of my maniacal plumbing setups, I have extra faucets with hoses attached for the purpose of doing things not called for by the manufacturers--unnatural acts perhaps, but not crimes against nature. Tom

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Post# 4683-9/6/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Wavy agitation)
MESSAGE: One of the things we have noticed about Amanas with a little age on them is what happens with the plastic hub on which the agitator mounts. It gets a little worn, or perhaps it is the latching part of the agitator itself that wears or maybe both, but the agitator gets a little loose and shaky so it does not remain completely vertical in agitation but kinds wobbles side to side with each stroke. About the agitator stroke, I think that is measured by men with the same mentality who turn 4 inches of reality into 7 inches of brag. Tom

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Post# 4684-9/6/2001-05:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike, I think Asko advertises a bunch of rinses like that, but it only spins between each set of 2 rinses, not each one. At least this is the way it used to be. Tom

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Post# 4685-9/6/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Tree Huggers)
MESSAGE: It just shows what happens when bureaucrats set standards with rewards and penalties and corporate America runs amok. I am not saying it is all bad; there have been great advances in refrigeration energy conservation, but if they really wanted to get serious about cleaning & conservation, they could look back to ultrasonic cleaning like in the experimental 50s and 60s. Perhaps that method with different types of detergents would be better for lower water use. Speaking of smells, people obviously are not getting clothes clean in the laundry when they are adding Febreez by the capful to the washers to deodorize dirt that even over perfumed detergents and softeners can not cover up.
When enzyme presoaks came out in the late 60s, doctors saw lots of men with rashes that upon close examination matched the elastic in their undergarments. The stuff lodged in the rubber and proceded to try to digest skin like stains. Peter has the right slant: With the poorer rinsing of non-phosphste enzyme detergents, these new washers with less rinsing could bring back all kinds of dermatalogical problems. The money you save on water can be spent at the dermatologist. Tom

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Post# 4686-9/6/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Bleach)
MESSAGE: Rich, our 29" kenmore combos with the recirculating water wash stream that also kept water gurgling through the detergent dispenser opened the bleach dispenser during the last 4 minutes of wash. The was arranged so that once the machine filled at the shortest cycle (cold wash 4 minutes) the dispenser would trip and allow bleaching even in that cycle as well as in all the others and give the optical brighteners in detergents a chance to work. It was always enough time and with that water going through the detergent dispenser, your nose knew when the bleach went in. With European influences on FL production, I think that the mindset was to keep the bleach out of the hot wash water or out of the water during heating since it could do awful things to the metal-sheathed heaters while they were energized. Louis said that they don't do much bleaching with chlorine over there. Like you, I hate to lose a rinse to bleaching. Tom

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Post# 4687-9/6/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Scott, Welcome back. Glad you had a good, safe trip. TT

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Post# 4688-9/6/2001-06:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congratulations! So to keep up with the immigrant population's favorite mode of travel, in the truck bed, are you going to strap Susan's wheel chair back there for trips to the doctor and beauty parlor? It is a beautiful truck and now you can look like all the rest of the Florida Farm Boys: "I'm butch; I drive a pickup therefore I will get picked up." Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4689-9/6/2001-06:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: OH MY HEAVENS, put the rescue squad on the speed dial!

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Post# 4690-9/6/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Yes and the floor does need regular moping.

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Post# 4691-9/6/2001-06:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Greg, about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way up. A little more than half is the point it fills to for delicates so a little more trips the overfill switch which can be good for flushing water through the machine in a bad sudsing situation since it keeps tumbling while the draining is going on.

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Post# 4692-9/6/2001-06:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Loved the eggs. One Christmas a lady who demonstrated Mr. Coffee at the department store gave me a present in one. It was a pair of panty hose, but with a smaller third leg to be a wiener warmer. Tom

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Post# 4693-9/6/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I find the 3 ring wraps sheets into a rope, but the Jet Action space capsule thing seems to get them clean without as much turning over and no tangling. It will be interesting to hear of any variations you find between the 12 lb tub with the 3 ring and the original tub when you get one.

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Post# 4694-9/6/2001-07:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: Aside from the ones we saw in the store where Jason got his, John has just bought two buy backs from WP; a gray pair and a single white washer (SWW seeks committed relationship), so he must be misinformed or wanting you to buy a new pair after all the literature you took. The lady who owned the gray pair said the washer was too noisy. The white one had a cracked bleach dispenser so it was replaced. WP has a 30 day, no questions asked money back guarantee on them. John will be happy to sell, but not deliver. Tom

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Post# 4695-9/6/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Glenn, with a little work you could have a good chant or mantra going there. TT

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Post# 4696-9/6/2001-07:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Scott, there is a long history of pickups there, both kinds. Tom

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Post# 4697-9/6/2001-07:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Those caught the shipping pins when the yellow plastic ribbon was pulled out to release the mechanism. TT

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Post# 4698-9/6/2001-07:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: We have a pair of those. Not really pretty, but rare as hen's teeth. Tom

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Post# 4699-9/6/2001-07:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Product Placement and Classic TV)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks for all the research. It was the typical builder model cooktop like my mom has with the bank of buttons in the lower left corner. Yesterday, Wally was getting something out of the refrigerator and you could see the serpentine coil at the top. His mom took an aluminum dutch oven out of the cupboard and set it on the stove and you could see her reach for the pushbutton and hear the click when she pushed it. Wally was hanging over the cooktop behind her talking to her as she was putting something in it. I wish my GE stoves came with a Wally attachment. The HP Multi Cooker pan was an interesting situation as it showed the transition from older Deep Well offerings to the more modern Electric Skillet. I am probably the only viewer who noticed it or knew what it was, unless there are a lot more people who need to find this club. Don't worry about the length of the response. We don't have problems with length. Thanks again. Tom

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Post# 4700-9/6/2001-07:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congrats Jason! I can already picture all those appliances that are going to be in the back of your new pickup.

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Post# 4701-9/6/2001-07:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Epinions)
MESSAGE: Those reviews kinda get nastier as you go down the list. The top one sounds like it was written by F&P. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4702-9/6/2001-07:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Phospate Detergent - The Good Stuff)
MESSAGE: I love using the phosphate stuff, but I have to find it at the estate sales and the boxes are few and far between. So I save "the good stuff" for Laundry Parties and the like.

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Post# 4703-9/6/2001-07:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: A gooda mana is harda to finda! Or, a harda mana is gooda to finda!!!

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Post# 4704-9/6/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason you're such an artist aren't you? Van go!!

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Post# 4705-9/6/2001-09:06 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Is it true that some dealers are so upset with F&P that they are ready to drop their drawers?


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Post# 4706-9/6/2001-09:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I was just wondering if you got to use some of the phosphated kind when you were here at the convention - didn't word that correctly.

Phosphated detergent is rather hard to find, if not impossible in some areas. For the most part, it isn't needed with the new detergents, but does make things nicer in the extremely hard water regions. If I had a septic system or drained to the outside, I would never use anything phosphated.

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Post# 4707-9/6/2001-09:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I'm curious about that too - that's why I'd like to try it in the 1-18 tub. I won't be able to fill it up to the Maxi level, but it should be interesting to see anyway.

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Post# 4708-9/6/2001-09:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: No, Tom, I'm putting Nan in the bed of the truck. That problem was taken care of thanks to Sandy.

I can't be put in the same class as the Fl farm boys as I still have my teeth and my idea of fun is not getting drunk on the weekend at the mud hole.

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Post# 4709-9/6/2001-09:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: This was a year ago when I bought that Escalara dolly from the Sears store (probably was a catalog store years ago) in Norfolk, NE. They had a Calypso on the floor that had been returned that still had a bit of water in the bottom of the tub. He said they had sold about a dozen of the machines, but several were being returned/replaced. I asked if the customers returning them were taking new Calypso machines or exchanging for others and he said it was about 50/50.

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Post# 4710-9/6/2001-09:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Sweet ride, Jason! All the better to carry more machines in! You have this in addition to the van?

-ph

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Post# 4711-9/6/2001-09:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: L'eggs are still around. The eggs are great for darning socks.

-ph

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Post# 4712-9/6/2001-09:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Watch out, Scott. I bet he gets a Harley next and rides around on it without a shirt!

-ph

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Post# 4713-9/6/2001-10:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Yeah, but maybe at another hole!!!

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Post# 4714-9/6/2001-10:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: That would be a hairried ride

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Post# 4715-9/6/2001-10:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Does your Miele fills also up to the high level in the rinses of the regular cycle? If not you can turn the control to the delicate cycle so it fills more and then put it back to the regular cycle for more mechanical action. You have to find out though in which rinses you can do that. I love playing with those multi control and button Mieles.

Louis

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Post# 4716-9/6/2001-10:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch oven)
MESSAGE: Tom,

What on earth is a dutch oven?

Louis

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Post# 4717-9/6/2001-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!!

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Post# 4718-9/6/2001-10:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom! :-)

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Post# 4719-9/6/2001-10:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I haven't paid attention to the detergent. When I stayed with Steve and Rhinnie I used Tide, but I don't know if it was with or without phosphates. For the rest I'm hooked on the Ariel. I love the smell and it washes great. Since I hardly use softener (who needs softener in towels with a Miele dryer?) most of my laundry has that smell.

Hooked in Holland

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Post# 4720-9/6/2001-10:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P at Sears)
MESSAGE: Not for nothing, but I found 2 F&P sets at the Sears Outlet in Stone Mountain last weekend. One set was all electronic, the other had a dial. I didn't think Sears was getting into F&P, but one never knows...

-ph

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Post# 4721-9/6/2001-10:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Louis, it fills fuller for rinsing than washing, but not as full as for the delicate cycle. There must be a pressure switch for the delicate cycle; I will ck my parts list. It would be nice to wire that into the rinse level switch, but since I am there with it when it needs the extra water, I just use the hose. It also makes it fill faster. Tom

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Post# 4722-9/6/2001-11:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Louis, historically there have been many meanings: a brick oven in the side of a fireplace for baking, a cast-iron kettle with a tight cover used for baking in an open fire, a heavy pot with a tight fitting cover. Over here in cookware terminology, it usually just means a 4-6 quart pan with side handles and a cover like a soup pot. They are mostly used for cooking a roast either on top of the stove or in the oven or for any cooking operation requiring that size pan. We used to use the cast-iron type over open fires in the scouts. We made fruit cobbler in them. You put the pan on the coals (it had little legs an inch or two long), added the fruit mixture, made a soft, sweetened biscuit dough and dropped it over the top of the fruit, then covered the pan with the lid. The lid was special because it had a rim around the edge. The rim was to hold coals that you scooped up from the fire and placed on the lid for a source of top heat. When the cobbler was done, the tops of the drop dumplings were lightly browned. Hearty food for hearty men and boys and the boys who liked them! Tom

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Post# 4723-9/6/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Tom, thank you for the swift response. I am enlightened now. Louis

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Post# 4724-9/6/2001-11:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Tom, did that resulting recipe result in a Dutch treat? Explains why you're all heart at times.

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Post# 4725-9/6/2001-11:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom and all who replied.  I honestly thought those pins were some kind of spare parts -- never would have imagined that setup was there specifically to catch the pins upon release of the shipping strap.  I don't recall seeing that on the early Design 2000 machines.

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Post# 4726-9/6/2001-11:54 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Better living through chemistry)
MESSAGE: For those beyond the reach of automatic appliance therapy, those sad souls need supplementation of a chemical variety (& I don't mean scoring a kilo of Mexican Ariel detergent with phosphates). The Westside is thick with psychiatrists, all armed with prescription pads.

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Post# 4727-9/6/2001-12:00 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Mexican Ariel)
MESSAGE: Uni:
You poor guy! You should take a trip out here to sunny Southern California and go to one of many Mexican markets. They are teeming with plastic bags of phosphated Ariel & Roma. Supermercado Vallarta is having a special on Roma (2 kilo bag) for $2.29 this week. Last weekend I bought a 1 kilo bag of Ariel ("Hecho en Mexico") for $2.39.

Can you read/speak Spanish?
LINK: www.universidaddelhogar.com www.practi-taza.com

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Post# 4728-9/6/2001-12:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Better living through chemistry)
MESSAGE: Well Janet, I fall in both categories, washing therapy and prescriptions.

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Post# 4729-9/6/2001-12:10 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: http://www.universidaddelhogar.com
LINK: http://www.practi-taza.com

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Post# 4730-9/6/2001-12:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: My my Janet, that sure isn't the compact powder that we use overhere. That scoop is enormous. I think I left my scoop at Robert's (I ordered a new one) but that one is absolutely smaller than this one. I noticed that the Ariel bag is blue. In Europe Ariel came in a white box with a blue logo until they removed the phosphate. On the new box the logo was green. I guess they use blue for phosphate detergent and green for non-phosphate. Louis

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Post# 4731-9/6/2001-12:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: The Practi-Taza, the new, universal, Mexican way to measure your detergent! Without it you will use too much or too little, making a mess and not getting clean clothes! Say goodbye to the metric system! From now on, it's Practi-Taza!

In English, it's the Practi-Cup.

All weekend long in my 'mat, I constantly tell my Hispanic customers "Solamente una media taza!" And to those who over do it "Desmasiado jabon!"

What a hoot!

-ph

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Post# 4732-9/6/2001-12:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (No treat)
MESSAGE: No, but I am gagging on the pun like a piece of apple peel.

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Post# 4733-9/6/2001-12:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Viva!)
MESSAGE: Janet,

The one to look for is Viva. It has a really nice lemony-citrus scent. Ariel is too strong for my liking. It smells like super sweet apple candy to me! Louis' Dutch Ariel is the same scent but milder.

-ph

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Post# 4734-9/6/2001-12:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: It was so they would not fall onto any metal parts and vibrate. tom

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Post# 4735-9/6/2001-12:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Mexican Ariel)
MESSAGE: Yo puedo leerlo. Tomas

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Post# 4736-9/6/2001-12:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks, that was cute, but made no mention of whether that measure was for FLs or TLs. Herramienta was a new word for me.

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Post# 4737-9/6/2001-13:02 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Thanks for the pics, great, I`d do what you did next time and add a few days either side!!!!

Yep the Asko is the only Seven Rinse but a lot of the new energy wash machine have 5/6. The Zanussi IZ16s has the directa jet rinse (&electrolux), My Whirlpool & the sixth sense range have four + fabric conditioner and spin on all cotton wash rinses, and also have the "Intensive Rinse" button adding two more when needed.

They still use the same ammount of water and in some cases less water than the three or four "Deep Rinse" machines.

Personally I like the deep rinse method plus "Watering Can or Hosepipe " as an extra feature

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Post# 4738-9/6/2001-13:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: Is Ace like Tide? It has a similar package design.

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Post# 4739-9/6/2001-13:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Vintage, Vintage, Vintage)
MESSAGE: Hi Janet, no I cannot read Spanish anymore. It’s been six years since I left New York City where I used to be able to read the banner ad's in Spanish on the subway for things like Rice-a-Roni and Windex. Since moving to Minneapolis, I've been able to fine-tune my Swedish though. Ya got any detergent links with da Nordic talk?

Anyway, I prefer the scents of the vintage stuff anyway, I love the chemical/clean scent of vintage detergent and softener as opposed to today’s flowery smelling stuff, domestic or foreign.



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Post# 4740-9/6/2001-13:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

I`m with you on this one, definatly need four deep rinses.

Does your Frigmore spin between each rinse etc, anddoes it have an internal heater??

A few years ago consumers had real touble when P & G & Unilever introduced concentrated detergents, people where using them at the previous normal dosage and skin complaints by the hundreds ensued..

Cheers, Mike

p.s. just off to walk the schnitzels...

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Post# 4741-9/6/2001-13:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike, do you really augment the rinse fills? Really Truly? I am so thrilled to see that so much goes on behind that calm facade. Tom

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Post# 4742-9/6/2001-13:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Nice toy, perfect for picking up the "Calypso Babes" etc!!!

By the way, my apologies , when I`ve responded previously i thought your clubname was "Hootes" so at the convention I was asking the gang who was who etc, and was rounded on and told what your clubname was and what it stood for.... sounds good to me!!!

p.s. they also explained what a thoughly decent chappie you are, hope to meet at the next convention.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4743-9/6/2001-13:23 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

With 2/3 Hettie rinses me thinks you can totally justify it!!!

I`m just logging on for another F&P T/L video fix Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4744-9/6/2001-13:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Louis ,what would you like to bake in your Dutuch oven???
jetcone ( sneaking on at work since my comp. has finally given up the ghost )

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Post# 4745-9/6/2001-13:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Robert takes two sizes smaller than Greg or I so his Three Ring can really toss his things around. Us people "Of Stature" need the larger "Rocket Cones" to get that same Live Water Action against our clothes!
I have noticed that my Westy puts on the best show when I am washing a socks only load. It really makes use of the scrubbing dome! If we could upsize that tub then I could throw out my Neptune------NOT!
jet

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Post# 4746-9/6/2001-13:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike. I think Mike in Maine gave me that name. It started out as QOTS and he added the H. I think MBOTS or QBOTS is a little more fitting. Maybe UBOTS?

Jason

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Post# 4747-9/6/2001-13:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Museum
MESSAGE: Does anybody know when the ball is going to get rolling on the museum or has that ball been deflated and tossed in the trash?

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Post# 4748-9/6/2001-14:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Jon,

The fruit cobbler Tom described sounds a little like a Tarte Tatin (an upside down applepie), but then again I don't think I will use a dutch oven on an open fire in my upstairs apartment. I'll stick to my Sharp.

Louis

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Post# 4749-9/6/2001-14:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike, I didn't know we could get so kinky doing laundry.

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Post# 4750-9/6/2001-14:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Jon, maybe you should do all the stuff you did in the basement the day all those washers went berzerk. I mean, it couldn't hurt. After all, in the end, it all came back together in fine full function. Alas, I guess you PC is washed up.

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Post# 4751-9/6/2001-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Jet, my large size clothes did quite well in the WCI58, I was quite impressed actually, of course I have low washer drama excitement levels these days.

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Post# 4752-9/6/2001-14:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Jet, I guess it's why Greg wants to bring down to me a 1/18, among the many reasons.

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Post# 4753-9/6/2001-14:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: TMI!!! Please! Leave something to the imagination!

-ph

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Post# 4754-9/6/2001-14:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: No Jet, I just get to wait a little longer to wash, same large loads though. Maybe its time to do a turnover comparison video using the exact same clothes in each machine.

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Post# 4755-9/6/2001-15:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: That would turnover a new subject segment for videos.

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Post# 4756-9/6/2001-15:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Janet,

Well the Ariel I got last winter at a local store must have been mis-coded or something, because I got a 13 lb bag for about $3. But I haven't used it because I have a front loader and the stuff is not bajaespuma (literally, "low foam" in Spanish). There's a little drawing on the package that shows a front loader, with the equal sign ("="), and then the words "Use Ariel bajaespuma". So I infer that there is another formulation that is low sudsing. I just have not been able to find it.

Meanwhile the 6 kilos of Ariel and another bag of Roma are sitting in my garage, scenting it nicely. This is actually putting them to good use, as it counteracts the occasional stray tom cat that gets into mischief in there if I forget to close the door at night.



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Post# 4757-9/6/2001-15:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: My bag of Ariel altaespuma did not come with a Practitaza, although the packaging mentions it. I feel so ashamed.


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Post# 4758-9/6/2001-17:15 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: OK, Bob, you are still the top wit around here. I didn't know you spoke Italian! ha ha!

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Post# 4759-9/6/2001-17:17 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: hahaha...are you and Appnut the same person with different screen names?

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Post# 4760-9/6/2001-17:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike!

And how are your schnitzels?

The Frigmore spins between all standard rinses, but only changes the water on the "extra rinse" setting. (Probably in an attempt to minimize water usage.) The Frigmore does add fabric softener to the last rinse, regardless of how many rinses you select. The vast majority of American top loaders add the softener to the first rinse, and if you select "auto second rinse", the softener is rinsed out of the clothes.

How does your Sweeper Vac work???

Cheers, Rich

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Post# 4761-9/6/2001-17:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Oh, Mike...I forgot...the Frigmore does not have an internal heater.

Rich

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Post# 4762-9/6/2001-17:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Watch it buster, I feel a slap coming on!!!!--with da brace and velcroe

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Post# 4763-9/6/2001-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Rich, of course you realize that that 2nd rinse is actually supplanting the spin period--it's converted from one function to the other. That's why the softener is always dispensed during the "last" rinse.

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Post# 4764-9/6/2001-18:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: hehehe ;-)

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Post# 4765-9/6/2001-18:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I knew you'd love it--me too. Sorry to be so a-brace-ive.

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Post# 4766-9/6/2001-19:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: I like it too. I get to make the wise-cracks and someone else gets slapped around for it!


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Post# 4767-9/6/2001-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Keeping away stray cats - does it work with spiders & insects or just animals?

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Post# 4768-9/6/2001-19:59 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I doesn't exactly keep the cats away, it just counteracts the smell if they mark their territory. I don't think spiders spray. It would be awful if they did!




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Post# 4769-9/6/2001-20:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: OMG!  What kinda place is this??  Beat me, hurt me, show me you care . . . . or maybe that should be whirl me, swirl me . . . or pulsate me, nutate me . . .

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Post# 4770-9/6/2001-21:02 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune)
MESSAGE: Jetcone;
Hi, Iv'e noticed that you mention your Neptune. I bought a Neptune in February of this year. It is the electronic screen model with the 'wave' design. I'm curious to know how you like your neptune and what model you have. While I absolutely love the results and its quietness, I hate the fact that I cant see the laundry tumbling - Maytag really needs to add some kind of a portal window in my opinion (although that doesnt change my high opinion of the machine). Lenny

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Post# 4771-9/6/2001-22:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Two new commercials just added, both from when these products were first introduced!

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Post# 4772-9/6/2001-23:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I see what you mean - I'll bet with the enzymes, it may help the smell too. There's a commercial enzyme product that you can use for cat smell that works wonders.

I saw a Discovery channel special on insects a while ago, that Brown Spider is a nasty one!

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Post# 4773-9/6/2001-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (This shirt will be nice to drive in!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new commercials Robert - fun as ever!

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Post# 4774-9/6/2001-23:42 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the classic ads...I love them! The Westy sand test is my favorite! Those hats! Right out of I Love Lucy's Mrs. Hanson's Hat Shop! It was very cool to see an Easy automatic washing. I had only ever seen the Easy spin-drier, which has a slightly different agitator.
Rich

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Post# 4775-9/6/2001-23:50 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Here's a quiz question, classic washer boys: On the Downy commercial, it shows a Maytag washer in the background, and then the woman adding Downy to the Maytag, the the next frame shows a washer agitating the Downy into the load, and it's no Maytag gyrator! What brand of agitator is it?

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Post# 4776-9/6/2001-00:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Spiders!)
MESSAGE: Yes, I have a couple of quarts of that anti-cat pee enzyme deodorant spray. It works pretty well, but ... the Ariel keeps on fumigating 7x24.

Lots of brown spiders around here, but I assume these are the harmless kind. Haven't seen any black widows, must be too cool around here. I do a lot of gardening so I would have seen them by now. Generally I leave the spiders alone; they eat the bad bugs. The biggest problem is the raccoons - they eat my grapes and try to eat the fish in the pond. But they are comical when young.


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Post# 4777-9/6/2001-00:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Yes thanks for the new commercials, Robert.

By the way, Netscape is working for me to download these now.

Where do you find these videos? Are there taped compilations available commercially?


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Post# 4778-9/6/2001-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: I tried to see it but I couldn't make it out clear enough. Has a small cap and is a fat agitator though.

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Post# 4779-9/6/2001-01:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I heard cats don't like mothballs, you could try using them.

Princess Household from Holland

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Post# 4780-9/6/2001-01:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Cool videos!!!

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Post# 4781-9/7/2001-03:50 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Watering Can Method)
MESSAGE: Tom

Really Truly Madly Deeply!!!

Fill the wash cycle too, this new whirlpool machine really does my head in, if it took in any less water they could market it as "Dry-Clean"!*@!*@!@???spit/dam/blast/rage!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4782-9/7/2001-04:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (+Schnitzels)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Dogs are fine I`m looking after a friends schnitzy bitch as well while there`re on hols, which is great because they do the same for us so no kennels needed...

Does your washer have a pump filter? Hoover & Hotpoint here tend to have the "Vortex" pumps which flush everything through into the drain, so never see any lint, my whirlpool has a filter but never anything in there even afetr washing dog blankets etc..

Still awaiting the "American Beauties" any day now cant wait!!!

Cheers, Mike





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Post# 4783-9/7/2001-04:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Jason

Been toying with those ABBS for 10 mins and still not sure that what you say is what I`m thinking....

Its called getting older and pickled brain syndrome from those downtown bars!!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4784-9/7/2001-04:27 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Yep Glen

Its Finally offical....

F & P is the new S & M !!!!!

Enjoy, Mike

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Post# 4785-9/7/2001-05:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum
MESSAGE: Somebody whose initials are Jon Charles holds the bag on that, at least right now, but not for long.

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Post# 4786-9/7/2001-05:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Greg, there is something to keep away spiders and other non-flying pests; at least it works here and in Florida. There are some cedar-scented moth sprays, one is sold under the label SLA pronounced "slay" and comes in an orange and black aerosol can with a white cap. If you have a Container Store, they sell it. Friends in FL used to spray across the garage entrance and no big black spiders entered. I use it around my doors and porches in the fall to keep crickets from coming in. Spray the perimeter and under shelves and stuff. The secret seems to be the cedar oil which bugs don't like that was the idea behind cedar closets. Good luck.

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Post# 4787-9/7/2001-05:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Dog Blankets)
MESSAGE: Alco removed the DD WP from the Belchville Veterinary Hospital a couple of weeks ago and replaced it with a newer one. It had been there a long time. Yesterday I happened to see it with cabinet and tub cover removed. YEEECH! All around the top of the outer tub was about an inch thick mat of fur. It looked so gross. I can imagine how the machine must have smelled when damp. Of course, it does prove that in all its years of service, the tub cover did not have to be removed for anything.

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Post# 4788-9/7/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: And a good clean, but strong epithet could be "Aw go nutate yourself."

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Post# 4789-9/7/2001-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Good quiz question Rich! It looks like a Blackstone, but could be a Franklin brand too. My official guess would be a Blackstone though.

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Post# 4790-9/7/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Cats Don't Like Beagles Either)
MESSAGE: The Beagle seems to keep them away quite nicely - if you need one let me know, Jack would love a winter in So. Cal.!

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Post# 4791-9/7/2001-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Watering Can Method)
MESSAGE: Mike, you mentioned an older Hotpoint that you'd seen in a shop before coming to the convention. Were you able to get that machine or was that project vetoed?

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Post# 4792-9/7/2001-07:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: What wash action was the westinghouse pic of the day machine and spin speed etc????

They wer`nt afraid of colour in those days, where they!!!!

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Post# 4793-9/7/2001-07:27 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Pet Crud)
MESSAGE: Morning Greg

I went back to the local shop straight away, they wanted £250 for it no deals, on further inspection it looked just like the WP machine that Tom has just described coming out of the vets clinic, full of crud and grime under the lid and all down the back around the overflow, I seen them in the local loot for £50 / £100 so I`ll go for one of those, if it needs any parts they are quite easy to obtain and fix etc..

Obviously hadnt heard about your lint tip with the stockings Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4794-9/7/2001-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Dog Blankets)
MESSAGE: My sister's husband is blind and has a 7 year old Yellow Lab guide dog named Mario. Mario sheds amazing amounts of hair all the time. She has a Maytag Dependable Care washer and dryer and loves them. Other than the heavy fleece items, she loves the washer's ability to remove and dispose of the dog hair.

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Post# 4795-9/7/2001-07:39 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Hi all

Met up with some friends last night and on the way over Ty warned me that he had explained where I`d been and what I`d been up to in Minnie... LOL, not from me..

He said he thought I should be bold and make a statement when asked, and not to hold back as that sets up the sneers ( I know who was laughing)if you come across as reserved etc..

So of course round the table having a drink, friend asks" what all this about Minneapolis then, Soooo I launched with positiveness about convention for classic/vintage appliance collectors etc, (this point seem familiar Tom)

At which they all got really interested, Ohh fab great, Oohh I`ve got a Kenwood mixer in the loft from the 40`s and Oohh I love those shiny vacs with the big bags, and OOhh these new machines just arnt the same, I remember my Grans...... and so on.

A few minutes later guess who didnt have a smile on his(other half), at this point I looked across and smiled sweetly and he said"I dont like this conversation cos i`m not in it!!!

How I laughed!!!

Your truly

Out in Applianceville,

Mike


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Post# 4796-9/7/2001-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: A good friend of mine brought her father over night before last for dinner and he was most interested in the machines, but a little disappointed there were no wringers. He's an old car buff so was very interested in the Unimatic transmission info I had (wall charts, shop manuals) and loved the Duomatic's condenser drying as well. He talked of the machines they'd had over the years and was quite impressed that they were all working. They'd always had Maytags through the years so was quite interested in the solid basket machines.

A great experience and one I'm sure he'll remember for quite a while! Ty was right, positive attitude and enthusiasm makes all the difference in people's reactions, not everyone, but most of them are impressed with the knowlege (mostly always more then they have) when presented well.

Good going Mike - this is all supposed to be fun!

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Post# 4797-9/7/2001-08:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: My little female cat loves to chase and eat moths. I assume she eats the balls as well.


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Post# 4798-9/7/2001-08:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Three cheers for you Mike and for your friends. Seems you are not the loose cannon on deck that Ty thinks you are. Of course, you don't have a warehouse full of the things, either. The way I figure it, you are going to be known for something any way you look at it, so you might as well be known for something you really love. So much the better when things that appeal to even the snobbiest queen like design and style can be brought to the fore. Seems even if it was a round table, the table got turned on Ty! Best wisehs

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Post# 4799-9/7/2001-09:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I have heard of barking spiders. In those cases, have a strong detergent around would help mask the odor...

-ph

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Post# 4800-9/7/2001-09:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: I'll take that challenge..I just need a video camera.
jet

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Post# 4801-9/7/2001-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Racoons)
MESSAGE: Funny this gets brought up today. On my way into work, coming thru an afluent neighborhood, I saw what appeared to be a bad joke. It looked like someone had hit a cat and draped it over the light fixture at the entrance of one house. As I got closer, I saw it was a racoon with his mouth in the light socket. Maybe he thought the bulb was a glowing egg...

-ph

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Post# 4802-9/7/2001-09:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny:
My machine was bought 4 years ago, it is an MAH3000. I did the advanced order over the internet and got the two year supply of Tide HE with the machine. Ofcourse it took two years to get the HE detegent in our local supermarket but I did get my two years worth of detergent.
I was leery of buying the first off the assembly line since I had done so with Staber two years before, and that was a machine that was half baked then. But I must say my Neptune has worked flawlessly since it was installed by me. The only two complaints I have are the no window and I find the machine is WAY TOO Sensitive to vibration so it doesn't always reach top speed in spin. I have bought two sets of commercial window doors for the dryer so my dryer now has a window.And I plan to get the window door working for the washer as well. I can't sit around and wait for Maytag to catch up to the consumers needs, they are way to "maytagcentric" for my liking.
jon

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Post# 4803-9/7/2001-09:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (Museum proceeding)
MESSAGE: Contrary to rumors the museum is proceeding. Any member that wants to be listed as a 'Director" --- way next week after I get my new computer up and running ----send me:
1 your full legal name
2 your SS#
3 your full legal address
4 any thoughts on a governing board
and I will include you on the Incorporation papers.
If you don;t want to send that info over the net I will post my mailing address so you can send it too me directly.
jet

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Post# 4804-9/7/2001-09:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Racoons)
MESSAGE: Grosssss! Peter get the bleach out!!
I guess Darwin is still working out there.
jet

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Post# 4805-9/7/2001-09:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Way to go Mike. We've all had someone in our life that likes to make fun of our wonderful hobby. I've usually found that once people actually see my collection, they have a total turnaround and suddenly see it as being "cool". Looks like your partner expected to some backup in the "your nuts department", but when people actually thought about what you were doing, they realized how cool it really was!

YAY, one for an Applianceboy!

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Post# 4806-9/7/2001-10:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Mega Bitch O.T.S.
Queen Bitch O.T.S.
Ultra Bitch O.T.S.



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Post# 4807-9/7/2001-10:47 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: I am sorry.
MESSAGE: Club Members=
I am sorry for stating my religious beliefs in Applianceville.
I am also sorry for asking nmaineman36 and hqots if they are christians.
Starting now, I am keeping my religious beliefs to myself.
I am sorry for starting World War Three in Applianceville.
Rob "Queen Of Ohio"


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Post# 4808-9/7/2001-11:17 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: I'm not sure of the agitation speed in those old Westinghouse Top Loaders Mike, but the spin speed was really poor, only around 515rpm. The tub wasn't very wide either, which made for very poor extraction.

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Post# 4809-9/7/2001-11:27 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Rich, In the mid 1980's I was collecting vintage TV shows. I found some on 16mm in flea-markets and had them transferred to VHS as well as trading VHS copies from other collectors who had found 16mm prints. There were some companies in the 80's putting shows on VHS tapes too. Most of the commercials I have came out of tapes with the entire original show on it including the commercials. Finding the specific appliance/detergent related commercials in my collection can sometimes can be time-consuming (needle in a haystack), but once I've digitzied it into the computer its only a click away.

Sometimes today you can still find video tapes in the stores that are just 30 or 60 minutes of vintage commercials but rarely will you find appliance or detergent commercials on them. More likely they have cars, cigarettes, toys and cereals commercials that more of the "common folk" are interested in.

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Post# 4810-9/7/2001-11:36 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I am sorry.
MESSAGE: Thanks for the appology Rob, I'm glad you understand that what you posted could have been offensive to some people in Applianceville. You are forgiven by me this one last time. In the future please think about what you've written before you post it. Please also don't ask others if they forgive you if you don't hear from people, because we all want to be done with this now.

Now we return to our regularly scheduled program of fun.

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Post# 4811-9/7/2001-12:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Robert,

I did some surfing for vintage videos and I did find a site with tapes devoted exclusively to vintage 50's and 60's tv commericials, including appliances. The best seemed to be on a site that wants $30 per 2 hour tape. If you like I'll try to find that site again and post the URL here. It seems sort of incredible that people want so much for copies of old advertising but on the other hand it is cool stuff with an audience, and I'm sure there is a fair amount of work involved in what you and they are doing. It makes me appreciate your video and audio library even more!


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Post# 4812-9/7/2001-12:14 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: OH!!! THAT'S what the "B" is for...

-ph

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Post# 4813-9/7/2001-12:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Several years ago we had some lunchtime programs from the television archives here. We got to see two shows, complete with commercials in an hour. They were wondering about the year of one show, but when the comercial for Frigidaire appliances came on, I announced that the year was 1956. Of course, somebody had to ask, "How do you know?" and I told them that those were 1956 Frigidaire appliances. End of discussion. It featured the 30 inch range with French oven doors and the glide to you rack, but ended with a group shot of the range, washer, dryer and refrigerator. The film was black and white, but in my mind's eye, I knew where there was pink anodized aluminum trim.

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Post# 4814-9/7/2001-12:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Today's laundry day YAY more videos
MESSAGE: Looks like Whirly is getting full and by the end of the day it will be ready for a wash. So that means, per Uni's request, some more action videos of my Design2k with its one piece agitator. I'll make a video of the rollover in normal speed and gentle speed. Also, I'll do a spin-drain with it full of clothes. It's amazing to watch when the clothes stick to the sidewalls and they stay stuck until the rinse water turns them loose. If Uni's real nice, I'll video the dryer (70s GE) running. I'll open the door and hold the button. My other classic appliance is an all chrome Sunbeam mixmaster from the 60s. I might do a little action with that too.

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Post# 4815-9/7/2001-12:40 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: I have a Frigidaire electric slide in range, a "Compact 30" with a Cookmaster timer. Any idea what year this might be?


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Post# 4816-9/7/2001-12:52 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: What's the model #?

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Post# 4817-9/7/2001-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: I guess I missed what the 'H' stands for in HQOTS. Jason, can you fill me in?

Louis

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Post# 4818-9/7/2001-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: The Comforts of Home
MESSAGE: I read an article in the newspaper that this is a book about household appliances. Does anybody know this book (subtitle: The American House and the Evolution of Modern Convenience) and if so is this book worth buying? It isn't available in the bookstores here, but I can order it, so I'd really hear somebodies opinion before I do.

Louis

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Post# 4819-9/7/2001-13:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (H is for)
MESSAGE: As I recall, it's High Queen of the South.

??

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Post# 4820-9/7/2001-14:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Don't know. It's at home. I'll have to lift the right front burner to find that when I get there tonight.


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Post# 4821-9/7/2001-14:06 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (+Schnitzels)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike

No filter pump on the Electrolux/Frigmore. Have a grand weekend with your schnitzels.

Rich

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Post# 4822-9/7/2001-14:20 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Hi Mike

Bring Ty to the next convention! I've been sharing my facination with vintage appliances, especially washers, with Gary and we've gone from him thinking I was nuts to him developing some limited interest. I must say Gary is a great sport and respects my interests, even if they are not shared. Someday he may even let me dig out a basement.

Maybe we should start a "spouse's auxillary for the washer obsessed."

Rich

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Post# 4823-9/7/2001-15:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: I have two 16mm commercials for the Maytag diswasher introduction and the Halo of Heat Maytag dryer, I'll have to get it transfered to video or on disc to share.

I still have the Frigidaire WO-65 washer and matching dryer and dishwasher filmstrips to process into online format too. Not sure how to go about that, but will make some calls. They are very cool. I found a filmstrip projector while I was in MN a few weeks ago, but didn't have the filmstrips with me.

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Post# 4824-9/7/2001-15:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: And the "U" -

A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste!

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Post# 4825-9/7/2001-15:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: The Washer Widows Society - kinda like the football widows who have once again, just begun their season of suffering.

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Post# 4826-9/7/2001-15:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's laundry day YAY more videos
MESSAGE: Jason, is your chrome Sunbeam a model 12 or the later one (with the straight across handle and detachable cord?) Scott

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Post# 4827-9/7/2001-15:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Of course Gary's a great sport about it, you're his little sport (HA). This idea had been proposed before the convention, but obviously it never got off the ground. Maybe for next year.

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Post# 4828-9/7/2001-16:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's laundry day YAY more videos (Sunbeam)
MESSAGE: It's the one with the detachable cord and the straight handle. What do you know about this model?

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Post# 4829-9/7/2001-16:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: hahaha...you continuously crack me up

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Post# 4830-9/7/2001-17:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: High

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Post# 4831-9/7/2001-18:20 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Hey Jetcone:
I envy you the fact that you have the ability of replacing Maytag Neptune'd door with a windowed one. I just cant imagine doing this because the Neptune door is so 'thick' and protuding inward like a sort of slide. I just cant figure out why Maytag would have decided against a window in their Neptunes. That is, in a nutshell, my biggest complaint. I hate loosing visual contact with my laundry. Do you think that maytag will eventually add a portal to their door? I wrote Maytag a note and asked why they dont use a window. Their response was twofold: to maintain heat with their insulated door and also to aid in the overall noise reduction of the unit. Both of which I dont really buy! I think they are just cutting corners and saving a little money on production. Also, do you find your Neptune has an awful lot of 'pause' time between tumbles. When all is said and done, it seems that the Neptune is 'OFF' more than 'ON' during its cycles. Your thoughts??
Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4832-9/7/2001-18:45 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Greg I would love to get a digitized copy of the Maytag DW and Dryer commercials you have on 16mm. They will be a great addition to the our video page.

Its easy to get them transferred to VHS.

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Post# 4833-9/7/2001-18:53 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Did anyone notice in the Downy commercial that when they showed a cap of Downy being poured in the Maytag the lid was taken off of the washer? I wonder why they would do that? Could it be that it was also a subliminal plug for Maytag, but no where in the background could you see the Maytag logo? Just wondering what the Madison Avenue boys were thinking back then.

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Post# 4834-9/7/2001-19:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: That is interesting....I didn't notice it per se when I viewed the commercial, but thought about it when you mentioned it. I remember seeing the control panel, but I'm so used to left-opening washers it never even dawned on me.

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Post# 4835-9/7/2001-19:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

I've got a Neptune 7500. I do not think it will be possible to substitute a commecial windowed dryer door for the washer door, as they are different shapes on the inside panels and it would not seal too well.

The Neptune washer door has a sprung counter-balance weight plate inside, as well as a ventilation tube. These would act to block any window in the door. I suppose it could be engineered to remove both, but that might result in excessive vibration and moisture build-up.

I agree it would be nice to have a window in the door but I find I am able to get excellent wash results without one.

I'm not finding excessive pauses between tumbles; however, I almost always use the normal tumble pattern. The more gentle patterns do have a lot more pause time built in. But what's that they say about good music? The moments of silence are more important than the moments of sound.

Later,

Rich




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Post# 4836-9/7/2001-19:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: My question about these no-window Maytags is, how do you know when you have the right concentration of detergent and etc., and that you're getting a good clean rinse, when you can't see? I know lots of toploaders don't have windows but you can open those. Just curious, as I have not used a Neptune or seen one in use.

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Post# 4837-9/7/2001-19:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: And at one point you could see the lid open, the water level dial & button and the OOB lever. There may have been some stink about keeping the Maytag name visible and sponsorship of programs this commercial may have run along side of. Such as, on Ozzie and Harriet sponsored by Hotpoint, may still have had the Downy commercial. Even then, the Maytag "style" would still have been familiar to a lot of housewives.

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Post# 4838-9/7/2001-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: From 1968 service manuals; the top loaders had different speeds depending on where you ended up in the model line. Agitation speeds were from 78-67 OPM on normal speed and gentle was 52-44 OPM. The TOL model was three speed with 78 normal, 52 gentle and 39 extra gentle. Spin speeds were 600 or 500 RPM, normal speed -depending on model, gentle was 400RPM.

I had a chance to buy a Westy topload set a couple of years ago (it was gold as well - it's a curse!) but I passed it up. It was in the paper, $75 for both. I also saw a washer at a thrift store, a bit older (and white) but I passed that up too. Might be fun to have one to play with for a while.

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Post# 4839-9/7/2001-20:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: I agree, Greg. The Maytag control panel was very unique with the large center dial. With the control panel showing, they didn't even need the Maytag logo. That Maytag style was used for decades and immediately gave recogntion of a Maytag laundry appliance. They may have removed the lid to give better recognition of the washer. I remember seeing other detergent commercials using a Maytag without the lid. But, if that was the case....why didn't they use a Maytag agitator in the commercial??? This bugs me.

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Post# 4840-9/7/2001-21:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Subliminally topless???

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Post# 4841-9/7/2001-21:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Well, here's how I deal with it. You can pause the Neptune cycle at any time. So you can check the wash or last rinse for suds. If the last rinse has suds, there really isn't much you can do about it anyway. Also, I use HE detergent supplemented with STPP (complex phosphates) which seems to result in lower suds and excellent washing and rinsing results. After a period of checking the wash and rinse cycles by pausing and opening the door, I'm fairly good at estimating the correct amount of detergent, booster, vinegar, and fabric softener for various loads. Don't get me wrong, a window would make the process easier, but it is still possible to get great results without one.


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Post# 4842-9/7/2001-22:54 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
The Maytag Neptune does have a pause pad that allows you to open the door anytime during the cycle (stopped action of course). Since the water level is self adjusting you cant do anything anyway to change the rinse levels however you can select the 'extra' rinse which provides a 4th rinse. I have noticed that during the rinse phases of the cycles, Neptune allows a deeper level of water in the basket - just below the door rim. If you use the HE recommended detergents, you get excellent rinsing and extraction. But with Neptune, you have to be satisfied knowing your are getting excellent washing results and energy efficiency without being visually connected to the process. (If I did'nt also have a top-loader, I could never just have a Neptune - I enjoy watching laundry swish around too much)!!!

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Post# 4843-9/7/2001-23:06 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Spambdamn:
Im not the one who mentioned about replacing the Neptune door with a portal door. In fact, I can't imagine this being done other than if Maytag completely reengineers the door. I did not know the information you gave regarding the counterbalance plate and vent tube in the door however I did notice the large air vent hole in the bottom of the door. I guess at one time in the earlier Neptunes there was a mildew problem. Luckily, I dont have this problem in my newer Neptune, they have successfully corrected this flaw.
I do sometimes notice an initial clicking or tapping sound when Neptune attempts its acceleration from auto-balance mode. Usually, if Neptune is in balance enough, the tapping sounds stop and the acceleration progresses, if not, it decells and re attempts auto-balance. Its quite amazing to listen to this process(unfortunately NOT WATCH). Is the counter balance plate in the door somehow interfaced to the micro-chip processor effecting the spin speeds? I think I read this somewhere. Maytag really should re-think their door design and pop a portal in there. Then they would have an awsome machine!
Lenny

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Post# 4844-9/7/2001-23:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: Thanks Lenny and Spambdamn for the interesting insights! S

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Post# 4845-9/7/2001-23:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

I have taken apart the door to replace a scuffed inner panel, and can tell you that there is no electrical connection between the washer and the inside of the door. The balance plate simply smooths out some of the vibration the washer undergoes during spinning. The air tube hole on the bottom of the inner door panel connects to an oval cross-section tube that runs all the way up to the door lock hoop area. It's not difficult to take apart or put back together; it's just kind of a weird construction. In addition to smoothing out vibration, the balance plate gives the door a nice heavy solid feel.

I agree a "portal" or window in the door would be nice, but that would present Maytag with a challenge of where to put the balance plate. If water and temperature resistant miniature video cameras were inexpensive, this might be a way to give a view into the wash tub. The LCD screen could be used to provide a TV type of display... just think, it could also have an uplink to a computer, and then we could upload video files direct from our Neptunes to Robert's video library ;-)...


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Post# 4846-9/7/2001-23:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Miele's PERCIL
MESSAGE: Is anyone here familiar with the laundry detergent PERCIL which is endorsed and available through Miele? If so, is it a good product and worth the cost? Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4847-9/7/2001-23:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Good thery Greg, but in the 50's most shows including Ozzie and Harriet and the like had only two sponsers for their entire season. Ozzie and Harriet had Hotpoint and Listerine so an ad for Downy would never have been shown during the network run of O&H. But by 1960 when this Downy commercial was made, O&H was sponsored by Kodak.

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Post# 4848-9/7/2001-00:51 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Uff Da!)
MESSAGE: No Swedish detergents here! My husband was born in the Minneapolis area, and is of Norwegian descent. I don't want to start a Norwegians vs. Swedes argument; then all the Norwegians and Swedes would then sit around, argue, sulk and get depressed, and that's no fun at all.

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Post# 4849-9/7/2001-01:10 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: I didn't get one either; so I used a leftover Surf scoop. Even with that, I used less than a half-scoop.
I tested the Ariel on my husband's old 'work on the car' clothes. He replaced the front wheel bearings on the front of our Cadillac Cimarron the other day. Not only did the Ariel get the dirt and grease out of the sweatpants, it took out some of the old crud that hadn't washed out from the last time. Even his 20 year old flannel shirt (with the decades-old stains) was cleaner. And the pants & shirt didn't stink like a junkyard afterwards. I used a little Suavitel fabric softener, since I hang the shirt to dry (the shirt has airplane adhesives and metal stuff embedded in it from when my husband used to work at Lockheed building F-117's and L-1011's).
I may not use Ariel all the time, but it was cheap and it sure worked good on the really dirty stuff.

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Post# 4850-9/7/2001-01:12 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele's PERCIL ( percil laundry detergent)
MESSAGE:

HI lenny,
The percil is cleans ok but it is over
priced. arm and hamer laundry works just as
well percil is made for high temp washes 170 f.
to 200 f. I hope this has been some help to you.

miss jet cone

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Post# 4851-9/8/2001-02:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: Thanks, since you are living in the South I thought it could have been Hot ;-) but High is more appropriate.

QLOTOC

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Post# 4852-9/8/2001-02:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: My O&H example was only for illustration or example. There may have been others where this scenario would have been true, televised events with numerous sponsors, etc. I remember many commercials for household products where appliance brands were covered or removed, but it was still obvious what brand they were. It may have been as simple as "sell the Downy, not the washer" although the "free" exposure wouldn't have hurt any manufacturer to provide some machines stripped of their nameplates either. Who knows! They are very cool commercials though, thanks for the work!

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Post# 4853-9/8/2001-02:38 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (The Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: The missing washer lid probably had more to do with set lighting considerations than subliminal advertising. There were four different settings in the main part of the Downy commercial: the long view of the family members coming through the utility area (and Mom at the ironing board); the scene of the family getting into the car; the close up shot of Downy being poured into the Maytag; and, the side view of the agitator revolving in the filled tub. If you noticed, each of the scenes was clearly lit, and there were no shadows or overly bright areas present around the actors or the set props.

If you have ever been on a television or movie set, either indoors or outdoors, the thing that first strikes you is how much light is present when the camera is rolling. The reason that this is the case is because there are several lights that are esentially mini searchlights, shining on the area where images and action are to be photographed, for the purpose of eliminating shadows and dark areas where actors and set props are present. This is true today with color videotape, in the same way as it was when this commercial was recorded on black and white film over 40 years ago. The reason that the area is so brightly illuminated is because darkness is exaggerated by a camera when it is present. This is also a problem in the reverse, where the camera picks up excess light (actually reflected light), and this appears as glare on film.

There are various ways to compensate for glare. On people, makeup is used to lessen the effect of light reflecting off of skin and hair. Careful selection of clothing color is made for the same reason. For props such as furniture and appliances, the same color selections and compensations are made where practical. The underside of a washing machine lid does present a particular problem, where there is not much that you can do to prevent a flash of light appearing on the screen when the camera is pointed at a flat surface that is reflecting light from more than one angle. Consider part one of the Westinghouse sand commercial, where just this issue was present with the raised lids of the top loading machines, even though they were all of a dark color.

The Downy commercial presented a situation that was more extreme than that shown in the sand test, because the camera was recording the action in the Maytag in a tight close up shot. The camera was right in front of, and over, the Maytag such that it would have been very difficult to capture an image of the tub without a lot of reflected light shining back at the camera lens. An easy way around this issue would have been to remove the cause of the reflected light, the lid. It is true that a lens filter might have addressed this problem, and was most likely considered, but the aesthetic of the full lit control panel (sans the Maytag logo) appears to have been what was most valued for the particular scene that was shown in the final production.

This lighting issue is still a consideration today in film and television production, especially since much of the photography outside of an indoor studio is done on location where it is much harder to control lighting levels.

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Post# 4854-9/8/2001-03:24 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Comforts of Home (Book Review)
MESSAGE: Louis,

I have this book "The Comforts of Home: The American House and Evolution of Modern Convenience," by Merritt Ierely. It was first published in 1999, and released in paperback in July 2001. I have the paperback edition, which cost $16.95 US. It is listed for that price (before discount) on Amazon.com, but is available at the major book sellers in this country. My copy was purchased at Border's. If you are asked, the work's ISBN designation is 0609807528.

The author is an historian, and approaches the topic of labor saving devices and conveniences (such as indoor plumbing) from the perspective of an academic social scientist rather than an enthuisiast of these items. What the author does is to present an overview of what life in the American home has progressed to from the late 18th century to the later years of the 20th century. While the focus of the work is on the American home, the author regularly cites examples and references to inventions and innovations that are occuring in Europe during this period, and the corresponding effect on life in the European home.

The author, Mr. Ierely, is clearly interested in the subject, which he covers in 288 pages. There are illustrations and photographs of various devices and machines, and the presence of them in homes throughout the period covered. The work attempts to humanize the subject with descriptions of actual people and the impact of these items on the way that their home lives were conducted. It is at this point that the enthusiast of appliances may become disturbed to the point of annoyance, because at times the analysis provided concerning appliances is only timidly approached. However, there is a generous amount of bibliographic information at the end of the book which suggests that the author has more than a little of the knowledge of the topic of appliances in the 20th century. It is for this reason that I was able to overlook occasional errors and omissions in the text.

I would definitely recommend the book to anyone interested in the general topic of home appliances and conveniences.



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Post# 4855-9/8/2001-05:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Comforts of Home (Book Review)
MESSAGE: Thank you Darryl for your review. Sounds interesting to me.

Louis

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Post# 4856-9/8/2001-16:17 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (The Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: We'll Darryl that's a very interesting explanation. Actually, you bring up some very interesting points, because a Maytag washer lid is white beneath it so it would have really been a problem with reflections.

As for the top-loaders in the Westinghose sand test I found it very strange that the Control-Tower Frigidaire lid was suppose to be light shade of Gray, but they painted that lid black, the under-lid on the GE is black so they didn't have to change that. Thanks for explaining all those changes in the appliances.

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Post# 4857-9/8/2001-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: There were two sales today and only the first one yeilded anything of interest. We looked around the basement, I found two Frigidaire washer parts, but then lurking in a dark corner we found a 1956 Hotpoint 10LK11 washer! After the second sale, we drove to the thrift store back lot and ran into my recycler/hauler friend Walter who was going to call me on a Hoover portable washer so we brought that home too! Such a good washer day it turned out to be! Maybe the fall harvest season will reap great rewards......

Ozzie and Harriet will be right back after this word from our sponsor, Hotpoint.......


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Finds+9-08-01&.src=ph&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst%3f.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bFinds%2b9-08-01%26.src=ph

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Post# 4858-9/8/2001-17:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, what are the red & black pushbuttons for on the right side console edge? Lights? Love that licorice red thriftivator & clothes guard.

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Post# 4859-9/8/2001-20:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Nice Score Greg!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, nice score! You've now found the oldest Hotpoint known to anyone in Applianceville so far!!! It's a Beam machine no less, but still with some very Hotpoint-unique parts! Very neat find. Congrats again! Thanks for the pictures.

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Post# 4860-9/8/2001-20:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Well, Greg, I'm excited! What a cool classic machine! I don't know if you noticed, but it is very similar to the picture of the day. (Robert...maybe if you put an Apex in the pic of the day some Saturday...well, it couldn't hurt.) Anyway, Greg, congrats on the neat find. I bet Harriet is rolling over in her grave. Do you know how much work these machines will need? The Hoover will be great to use as an extractor when using your Bendix. Those little things hit about 1200 rpm's, don't they?

Rich

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Post# 4861-9/8/2001-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, what wonderful finds! I had that style of Hotpoint washer on my mind today, as I saw a beautiful 40" Hotpoint range that must have been made right in that era, as its backguard is very similar to this washers.

Of course I LOVE the Hoover twintub...anyone who sees another of these and doesn't want or need it, you know whom to call. I don't of course really need one, but want one for my Hoover collection.

Automatic washers were a rare commodity in Minneapolis today. Out of six homes I visited today, only two had them, and there were also only two total dryers. 3 Maytag wringers, 1 ugly duckling Kenmore w/d pair (for Leslie's benefit, that would be the black background/center dial models, not a favorite design of mine) and 1 DC Maytag. The other dryer I saw was a near bol Signature dryer probably from the late 60s with one of the wringer washers.

Other than that, there were some interesting things to see, but I did not buy anything. There was one item that they wanted too much for that I may go after tomorrow. It will still be kind of too much at half price, but I'm looking at it as a gift for someone so that's ok.

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Post# 4862-9/8/2001-20:44 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Electrolux to sell-off brands?
MESSAGE: Has anyone else seen this? Where there's smoke there's fire.
I'll bet the Kelvinator and Gibson names are among the casualties. Maybe even White-Westinghouse. They've simply been "Frigidaire" clones for the last twenty years. And these "famous" brand names just don't mean much any more, especially after WCI managed (pun intended) to "junk" them.
-Ken

The entire article follows.

Electrolux could sell more units -paper
HELSINKI, Sept 3 (Reuters) - The world's leading household appliance maker Electrolux is ready to sell some of its 50-odd brands if units do not reach profitability criteria, the firm's chief executive told a Finnish newspaper on Monday.


``We still have about 50 product brands, and that is too many. We will make cuts if they do not fulfill profitability criteria,'' Electrolux Chief Executive Michael Treschow was reported as saying in Finland's Helsingin Sanomat.

``Each product has to be somehow distinct from the rest of the family members or they get to go,'' he added.

Sweden's Electrolux, whose brands include AEG and Frigidaire white goods as well as Husqvarna and Flymo garden equipment, has closed down 25 plants, 50 warehouses and cut 12,000 jobs since Treschow took over as CEO in 1997, he told the paper.

``If there is overcapacity, it needs to be abolished, or (one) risks the existence of the entire company,'' Treschow, whose hard-line measures have earned him the nickname Mack the Knife, told Finland's number-one broadsheet.

Electrolux has already sold off non-core operations including sewing machines and fake flowers as well as freezer chests. ``We decided to leave all products with which we did not believe we could rise to be market leaders,'' Treschow said.

The household appliances business is very much linked to the global economy, and like rivals Whirlpool Corp and Maytag Corp (NYSE:MYG - news), Electrolux has suffered from a slowing of the United States economy in the first half of the year.

The Swedish group posted a 20-percent drop in second-quarter profits in July and warned that deepening U.S. economic gloom will mean worse to come, but Treschow said then that he was more upbeat about 2002 than 2001.

Treschow reiterated he was not optimistic about the future.

``I don't believe in a fast recovery. We have very difficult times ahead,'' he said.


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Post# 4863-9/8/2001-20:55 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Nice Score Greg!!!)
MESSAGE: Robert what does it mean, when you refer to this washer as a "Beam" machine? The belt, pulleys, gearcase pump setup looks somewhat similar to the likes of the Speed Queen.

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Post# 4864-9/8/2001-20:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: I hooked up the AEG in the testing area, today. According to the previous owner, the drain pump didn't work. It seemed to run okay, so I hooked it to the water. Filled it and pumped it out just fine.

I moved a few things around the studio and brought the AEG to its new home. Again, hooked up the plumbing, drain and power and went hunting around the house for whites. The first load was a mix of towels and underwear. It was quite interesting.

I set the temperature to 95. Used the #1 cycle that consists of a prewash (cold water), drain, wash (water heats), cool down, drain, rinse, drain, rinse, drain, spin, rinse, drain, spin, rinse (softner dispense), drain, spin, fluff.

I used the normal water level. The prewash and main wash use very little water. Not even up to the window. At the end of the main wash, there is a cool down. I believe this is to cool the water before it pumps it out. Without draining, the water valve opens and the water level rises to 1/3 up the window. It tumbles the clothes a few minutes at the high water level before draining from the main wash. The 4 rinses used more water than the wash but not as high as the cool down(about 1/8 up the window).

The other interesting observation I made was the heater came on only while the tumbling stopped. I could hear the water heating start whenever the tumbling stopped. Sounded like the boiling sound of a percolator when you first plug it in. The sequence was tumble clockwise, pause, a low click and I could hear the water start to heat, another low click, and the tumbling would start counter clockwise. If I lowered the thermostat, during the pauses, I didn't hear the water heating.

The clothes washed well. I had some underwear and socks I'd washed earlier (with chlorine bleach) and the results were similiar. I have a few white T-shirts that are dingy in the armpit area. I'm curious if several washes will get rid of the stains. Extraction was compareable to the Kenmore FL'er. It does a high speed spin between the rinses as well as the final spin. The final spin is approximately 5 minutes.

I guess this will become my white / colorfast washer.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_2100/lst?.dir=/AEG+Washer&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_2100/lst%3f%26.dir=/AEG%2bWasher%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4865-9/8/2001-21:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Greg I love the Hotpoint - my family had a 55 Hotpoint but the lower end model and the lid was removeable (like a hamper door)
It only had 1 green dial and I remember that washer and would love to find one like that. Does this Hotpoint need much work?
Best of luck with it.
Peter

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Post# 4866-9/8/2001-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: As you may have noticed in one of the pictures, the tub (and the whole mechanism) are tilting to the side. The previous owner was somewhat of a handyman and I suspect that when this machine had a problem, he tried to take it apart, gave up and bought a Maytag (late 60's-early 70's) washer that was in the house now. It's hard to say what it will need right now. I got the cross-brace back on to support the mechanism and save the main spring from any more stress. The parts were in the tub that he'd removed, so after some re-assembly and testing we'll know what needs to be done. Right now, I know the agitator column bearing and seal assembly is a must as the orginal part is gone. Thriftivator Shaft Bearing & Seal Assembly Part # 500812, in case anyone has one lying about!

Did anyone notice that the rubber fins are completely worn away on the agitator?

The Hoover seems to work OK, a little rattle in the spin, but that could be adjustments needed with the auto-rinse float. It obviously needs a great deal of cleaning and some cabinet/paint work. So much to do...


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Post# 4867-9/8/2001-22:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Tall Tub Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I have just renovated my kitchen and brought a Kenmore tall tub
dishwasher in plastic. I like the machine and it seems to wash well but I am not pleased with the drying performance. The sides of the glassware seem to be wet as well as bowls and silverware. I do use rinse agent and always select for heated drying. And on the fold down tines the 2 grips are rusted already. I called Sears and they are comming out in 2 weeks to check out. I only have the machine just over a month. Has anyone heard anything positive or negative about these machines. I do wish their was a fan for drying also.
Peter

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Post# 4868-9/8/2001-22:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Beam Components)
MESSAGE: Leslie, many of the early Automatic Washer companies outsourced some of their major assemblies such as the pump, transmission, fluid drive, etc. from the Beam Manufacturing Company of Webster City, Iowa. The very first Beam component machine was the AMC Coronado first sold in 1948. As you can see in Greg’s new Hotpoint, the transmission looks very similar (but there not exactly the same) as the tranny in the Speed Queen as well as the pump and center bearing assembly. But, in the Hotpoint the snubber, crossbrace and tub are specifically of a Hotpoint design, which were continued to be used by Hotpoint after they started making all of their own parts including their “Co-Axial” transmission, which was introduced around ‘57. If you look at Eddie’s pictures of his Canadian made 1950’s Beatty Automatic, the transmission looks very much like a Beam made machine too.


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Post# 4869-9/8/2001-23:15 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how (or even if) I can bypass the lid switch on a Maytag Atlantis MAV8600? The machine will fill only with the lid up but will NOT agitate. You cant even lift the lid enough to peek in as it trips after about a 1/2". The switch is located on the hinge side of the lid in the lip. (The lid opens up and back toward the console). It isnt even the type of switch that is on the rim top that you can put something on or in it to trip the switch. Im baffled! Is there a way to bypass the switch completely or am I again plagued with another non-viewable Maytag!!!

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Post# 4870-9/8/2001-23:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: Lenny, you can simply bypass the lid switch by taking the two wires that go into the switch and jumping them together. Such as striping off the leads and twisting the ends togther with an electical wire nut, or use electrical tape.

But be careful with Maytags. I'm not sure about the Atlantis design, but the last of the Dependability Plus Transmission had a second switch with a fuse wired in. So in case the lid switch malfunctions and the machine can run with the lid open, the special fuse will blow out, causing a service call. You will have to also tie the two wires of this special fuse together using a seperate wire nut.

Maytag decided to do this because its now Canadian law that there needs to be double protection against washers running with their lids raised. Since they have to do it in Canada, Maytag decided to do it on their US built/sold machines too.

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Post# 4871-9/8/2001-23:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congrats on a fun front-loader! I know you were asked once, but don't remember - is this a 110 or 220v machine? Just thinking of the heater-tumble logic there. I would imagine it's more efficient to heat the water when it's not sloshing all over the tub.

When you have your camera out next time, would you mind posting some pics of your whole "studio" again? We should do this from time to time as things tend to change quickly around here! Enjoy the weekend--Greg

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Post# 4872-9/8/2001-23:58 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Atlantis back-up fuse switch)
MESSAGE: Hi Unimatic:
You are absolutely right about the second 'back-up' lid switch mechanism in the Atlantis. I havent seen the switch but the manual states some kind of a 'back-up' that will trigger if the lid switch should malfunction. Wow, talk about preventing viewing some Maytag washaction! Maytag seems to have a thing about not seeing into their machines while operating. (As in my windowless Neptune)! Thanks for the advise. I think I may have an electrician friend of mine take a look at it...sounds a little advanced. Lenny

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Post# 4873-9/8/2001-00:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: In honor of Greg finding that beautiful mid 50's Hotpoint today, I posted a 1953 Hotpoint Washer Commercial, as well as two new detergent commercials, one for Duz, the other for Cascade! The more I go through my collection of vintage shows, the more I seem to find that I completely forgot about. Lots more commercials on the way!

Can anyone fill in the following statement from a 1966 commercial that I'm going to post soon?:

"New Extra Strength __________ that Makes Your Automatic Clean Like Its Ten Feet Tall".

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Post# 4874-9/8/2001-00:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (And AEG and Hoover)
MESSAGE: Congrats to all on the new finds.  Super spiffy!

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Post# 4875-9/9/2001-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Congratulations on both washers. How old is the Hotpoint?

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Post# 4876-9/9/2001-02:43 ||| Laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (ten feet tall)
MESSAGE: DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 4877-9/9/2001-02:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congratulations! This is a wonderful washer. I noticed that the brochure says that it spins with 800rpm and the manual says 850rpm. Have you seen a tag on the washer with technical information?

Most European washer tumble while the heat is on, it could be that this washer is a low amps one. Can you find anywhere how big the heating element is? Is it around 2000W or 3000W? Some low amps (wattage) machines were made for old houses with old electricity lines.

Where did you put the AEG in your laundry studio? Has Mitzi approved of this?

Louis

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Post# 4878-9/9/2001-02:50 ||| Laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: Duet
MESSAGE: I got the book from Whirlpool that talks all about the Duet and am very impressed with it more so than with the Kenmore.It looks a lot like the old Westinghouse Laundromat and I prefer a dial to pushbuttons.Sears had theirs on sale this weekend for $1299 and $799 and had the drawers on sale for $149.The other feature on the Duets is they do not have the smoked glass windows.Theirs are clear.I don't know why Sears did that but a lot of customers I listened to had a problem with that too.

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Post# 4879-9/9/2001-03:53 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: That's a great little machine, Steve. Very similar to my Lavamat 600. Slight differences in the program sequence between our two machines. My heater stays on while tumbling and pausing until it reaches the required temp then cycles off and on keeping it there for the duration of the wash cycle.
Also, mine does not feature the cool down fill after the main wash. It drains, then goes into rinse #1, high speed spins between the other rinses and the 5 minute final spin at 800 rpm. Oddly, just like Louis noted, my manual states 850, but on the machines' tag is says 800. Comparing the spin to my other machines, I'm inclined to believe it's really 800.
Congrats on the find and it will keep your whites really white.
Will you be using Persil in it??
Eddy

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Post# 4880-9/9/2001-06:03 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Eddy,

Glad to hear from you! I forgot you had a AEG. Do you have any pictures? I'll have to check the wattage on the heater and get back to Louis. Greg, it's a 220 V machine, BUT the wire is not what you or I would expect for such a machine. Looks like about 16 guage. The previous owners changed the plug to a standard 30 amp three wire dryer plug. That made it real easy to hook up, but I will upgrade the wire.

I believe the Hettie with the water heater has a similiar 'cool down' for safety reasons. Scaulding water coming out of the machine could definately ruin you day. Makes me think of the woman that sued MacDonalds for scaulding herself with hot coffee. The door on the AEG is glass and it gets quite hot to the touch during the heated wash.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4881-9/9/2001-06:10 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: What is it with Maytag? Ever since they introduced their automatics, they've always been so secretive on the goings on in their washers. Most reciently, the Neptunes without windows and now they're hiding the lid buttons and adding a second backup to keep us from seeing what's going on inside! Could it be that's because there isn't enough action and if we knew sales would plummet or is it all in the name of safety?

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4882-9/9/2001-06:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: I bet that Hotpoint will look great once it's all cleaned up. I love those old machines with the chrome and lights. I'm surprised todays manufacturers are not leaning towards a retro 50's look with washer / dryers as they are with blenders, toasters, and coffee makers. Maybe we could start a trend?

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4883-9/9/2001-06:37 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Eddy,

I just found the link to your photos. The 600 Lavamat looks very similiar to my 539. I'm entrigued by the picture of the 'direct spray system.' Is this a recirculating spray?

By the way, I found out what AEG stands for. Aus Erfahrung Gut. On the English brochure it says Advanced Engineering from Germany. This is not a translation, but words made to 'fit' the letters.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/eddy1210/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/eddy1210/lst%3f.dir=/Trolley%2bAlbum%26.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4884-9/9/2001-08:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: When did Hotpoint machines become GE clones (same mechanism, etc.) In fact, I went to a used appliance store and saw a 70s Hotpoint dryer which looks like mine.

GE in the 70s was all about the push buttons. They liked buttons on the control panel where Hotpoint machines used regular twist knobs.

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Post# 4885-9/9/2001-08:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Neptunes without windows)
MESSAGE: If I'm going to pay $999 for a washing machine, it better have a window.

I have seen a Fisher & Paykel window lid machine and it's sweet looking. If A-1 Appliance ever decides to sell it, it's mine!

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Post# 4886-9/9/2001-08:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Retro look)
MESSAGE: Washers today are in desparate need of cosmetic design. Pure white is just... blah! One of the few new washers that isn't all white is the GE electronic model with a silver and gray faceplate and silver buttons (GE and those buttons again). If Fisher & Paykel made a retro styled washer I'd buy 2 of them. Just think, a Frigmore with a round barrel like an old Bendix.

I like my original idea, a see through acrylic washer with a plexiglass lid and tub. Again, a Fisher/Paykel with that and a retro looking control panel would be awesome.

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Post# 4887-9/9/2001-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congrats Steve on getting the AEG running. Its always so much fun adding a machine to your collection and getting to play with something different.

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Post# 4888-9/9/2001-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint went to the GE washer design in 1975, 1974 was their last year of the solid-basket, co-axial tranny design.

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Post# 4889-9/9/2001-09:13 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: I'm back!
MESSAGE: We have not had a phone since Tuesday. My hubby ran the phone lines over with a roto till. The phone company finally fixed them yesterday. I've got lots of catching up to do!


SD

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Post# 4890-9/9/2001-09:16 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: One other note on this Mayatg feels that window is a source of leaks. (That line was crock #47) They also said over sudsing was not an issue with their machines as they will detect this and correct it. (this is true).

SD

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Post# 4891-9/9/2001-09:19 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Atlantis back-up fuse switch)
MESSAGE: This lid switch is corky. They use to have just a switch, then added a fuse and check swith, and now its a one shot pack. If it blows it goes.

SD

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Post# 4892-9/9/2001-09:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: That was a Hotpoint all right - did you see the air bubbles in the clothes at the top of the water? I'm surprised they allowed that when she's rambling on about dropping, tangling and dragging! Maybe poking those clothes down in the water to get rid of the bubbles is included in the 10% of work she was talking about! Very cool design - the top and dials look just like the '54 Speed Queen. The dryer is also very similar to the SQ I have too. Wonder if it dripped condensation out the front too?

The Cascade commercial was hilarious, sister in law needed a slap!



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Post# 4893-9/9/2001-09:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (ten feet tall)
MESSAGE: Good Memory Chuck!

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Post# 4894-9/9/2001-09:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: 1956, too bad the dryer wasn't there too. Chances are they didn't have one, but it would be very cool to have the condenser dryer to match.

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Post# 4895-9/9/2001-09:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Slapped Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing when they showed the that poor Hotpoint turnover in the commercial Greg.

Wouldn't it be fun to be able to change the Cascade commercial so that the woman with spotted glasses actually does go over to her sister-in-law and calls her a bad name then she just out and slaps her one! LOL.

The way computer technology is going, I'm sure we'll be able to do that soon.

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Post# 4896-9/9/2001-09:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: I think the Hotpoint coaxial washer design was gone sometime around the mid 70's.

Speaking of pushbuttons, I saw a late 50's GE 30" range with the keyboard burner controls on the top of the back panel - in pink! It was already in a dumpster and I don't need another range anyway.

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Post# 4897-9/9/2001-09:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Slapped Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: Instead of such "un-ladylike" behavior, she sould sweetly say; "you know, your children are out of control tearing the knotty pine paneling from the rumpus room walls and your husband has again pickled himself with scotch and is drooling on his shirt - you know the one, with the ring around the collar. Now I suggest you put down that glass, gather your pitiful excuse for a family and leave."

No violence and no foul language - but that would be a different commercial altogether!

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Post# 4898-9/9/2001-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Belted Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: Boy after a tongue lashing like, the sister-in-law might be the one to come over and belt the woman with spots.

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Post# 4899-9/9/2001-10:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: I don't know about the A and the E, but I'd guess that the G stands for something spelled like "Gesehlshaft", which seems to be a very common word in German company names. It may mean "Incorporated" or "Company". As you might guess, I don't know the German language.

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Post# 4900-9/9/2001-10:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG deciphered)
MESSAGE: OK, I snooped around the AEG web site and finally found a translation of the AEG acronym. It stands for "Allgemeine Elektricitäts-Gesellschaft". I'll have to crack the German/Englsih dictionary to do a literal translation.

This is almost as much fun as learning about the Bletchley Park project in WWII ;-).





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Post# 4901-9/9/2001-10:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, the white knob on the hotpoint is reminiscent of the knob grabbed to turn cycle selector on the earlier belt-driven Maytag dishwashers, particularly the ones that had the white push buttons before the brown/black ones were used later on--but even then, the darkened knot is still reminiscent of this style.

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Post# 4902-9/9/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG in Englishe)
MESSAGE: AEG = Allgemeine Elektricitäts-Gesellschaft = Universal Electric Company or possibly, General Electric Company (not to be confused with GE, of course. However, it appears that Electrolux now owns AEG, and in turn some Electrolux made washers, like the Frigmore, are rebadged as GE models. Small welt!).




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Post# 4903-9/9/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG in Englishe)
MESSAGE: Forgot the AEG history link!

LINK: http://www.aeg.hausgeraete.de/index.asp

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Post# 4904-9/9/2001-11:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: The fill in the blank is Dash

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Post# 4905-9/9/2001-11:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: I remember this commercial campaign being popular on the Dick Van Dyke show iwth Rob & Laura Petrie.

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Post# 4906-9/9/2001-12:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating
MESSAGE: Uni,

I checked the model number on my Frigidaire Compact 30 electric slide-in range. It's model number RBE533. S/N 41CM0636. Any idea what year this was manufactured?

It has an "Electriclean Oven" and a "Cookmaster" clock/timer.

I beleive the kitchen this range came from was remodeled in 1965. So the range is pre-65. Perhaps late fifties or early sixties?

What I think the homeowners did here in '65 was to pull the applicances and cabinets from the old kitchen and build a second kitchen with them on a new enclosed patio. There are permits and contractor plans for the remodel, dated then. The second kitchen hugs the former outside wall of the house. It is quite handy for entertaining on the patio, and also the fridge is useful for storing produce from the garden, in addition to the usual beer/soda cooling and frozen food keeping. There is some owner's materials from a Frigidaire refrigerator, as well, but that appliance is long gone. Instead there was a '79 GE top freezer which I replaced this last winter with a Kitchenaid which uses 1/3 the power. I figure there was probably a Frigidaire washer/dryer as well in the pre-65 years, but when I got here there was a Filter-flo GE washer with matching electric dryer. I still have the washer but I donated the dryer to a charity. The underside of the GE washer lid says "G-136-30".

Thanks!



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Post# 4907-9/9/2001-12:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Most people say Aus Erfahrung Gut, I think it's more famous than the real meaning of AEG: Allgemeines Elektro Gesellschaft, which translated means: General Electric Company.

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Post# 4908-9/9/2001-12:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG deciphered)
MESSAGE: So I was almost right ;-)

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Post# 4909-9/9/2001-12:54 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, actually I have 2 AEG machines. I need to post a picture of the Lavamat 600. What you saw there was the 74,620 model I have. Now, that operates totally different from the older one. Amazingly more frugal with water consumption. Even during the rinses you never see the water level come near the window, although on yours and my 600, the rinses are "deep" rinses.
Eddy

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Post# 4910-9/9/2001-12:58 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (silly me)
MESSAGE: I actually show the 2 machines in the photos, but I didn't say which machine had the direct spray system in the center photo which was the Lavamat 600.
Eddy

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Post# 4911-9/9/2001-13:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Louis,

I am sure you're more on the mark on such things than I. I can only guess at the translation.

The word "Allgemaine" had me somewhat stumped. At first I misread it as "allgermane". Then I found it in my Langenscheidt, however, and allgermaine means either universal or general, among other things. "Gemain", and the two most relevant meanings listed are "common" and "general". And "all" can mean "universe". So I infer that "allgemaine" is closer to the english concept of "universal" than it is to "general", universal being more all-encompassing than general. Too bad it isn't "Allgermane" after all, since that might mean "universally relevant", a thought-provoking concept, maybe even a "heilegedankesan". Please pardon my fractured interpretations. ;-)


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Post# 4912-9/9/2001-13:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Rich,

Your conclusion that Allgemein would be closer to universal than to general is not right. Actually the germans use universal (pronounced in german ofcourse) as equivalent of universal. Common = gemein and general = allgemein. Until now I didn't know the word germane. One is never too old to learn!

Louis

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Post# 4913-9/9/2001-14:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Louis,

Thanks for the correction. It just goes to show that one cannot derive the nuances, or in my case, the general meaning, of a language just from a dictionary definition.

So if AEG means General Electric Company, how do the Germans refer to the US General Electric company? Do they just say "General Electric" with a german pronunciation?



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Post# 4914-9/9/2001-16:28 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Maytag's frustrating action-stopper)
MESSAGE: Steve I-18:
My EXACT SENTIMENTS on the Maytag's. It seems like its 'TABOO' to look inside their operating machines! While Im liking the new Atlantis, I'm frustrated with its viewing preventative measures (which by the way, are quite intricate)!

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Post# 4915-9/9/2001-16:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: The Germans say General Electric with the English pronunciation.

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Post# 4916-9/9/2001-19:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen these before, or is this something new? I was out for a walk in the neighborhood and a new laundromat opened up nearby, called "Rainbow Coinop" (I have not yet determined whether that means gay owned and operated or is just a name). There was a coinop in the same location years ago, which was the first place I saw Maytag frontloaders (stainless steel ones with windows; this was long before the "Neptune"; I believe someone here told me they were made by someone else). It sat empty for years, having closed I assumed due to a very small parking lot; although many travel on foot in this area).

Anyway, they have what I have to assume is Neptune washers, only Coinop (no these unfortunately do not have windows either). The control panel looks like a Maytag t/l commercial washer except it has some sort of computer readout. They're up on those raised cement things like frontloaders in most laundromats. The dryers are the typical two high glass doored units, and there are some other larger stainless steel front loaders against another wall (with windows), and a nice lounge.

I'll have to wander over there with my comforter sometime this fall (during the day) and check it out more thoroughly. I don't know if a comforter is too large for a Neptune, but they have the other s/s units there if so, and I can still inspect the situation.

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Post# 4917-9/9/2001-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Maytag's frustrating action-stopper)
MESSAGE: Lenny, something in the back of my mind tells me that the end of a typical wooden clothespin (where there's two pieces) fits in the hole that can trip the switch. It is worth a try if you can find someone with a clothesepin.

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Post# 4918-9/9/2001-19:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: The coin-ops have been around almost as long as the Neppies themselves. These are probably equiivalent to the consumer model 4000. Yes, you comforter should fit nicely in there. Give it a whirl just for grins.

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Post# 4919-9/9/2001-19:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: I've seen mention of and photos of commercial/coin-op Neptunes on verious web-sites, but I've never seen a real coin-op Neptune. I would tend to agree with a repairman over on THS in that the Neptune design is really not suitable for coin-op laundromat operation. He said he's seen them fail in those situaitons because people overload them and melt the inner door panel or ruin the door gasket. This is not so much because it's not a reliable design, but rather, it is easier to abuse the Neptune than other front loader designs. I know this because I have tested the limits of my Neptune. I washed some car mats in it, and the semi-flexible plastic backing on them caught on the door gasket and wore a hole through it. It also scuffed up the inner door panel, laying down a streak of melted black plastic on it. I could see a laundromat customer overloading a Neptune, or loading it with inappropriate objects, and causing problems. Additionally, I could see a customer trying to force the door open, when it's locked, and the Neptune door is simply not made to resist that kind of abuse.

Treated with respect, the Neptune is a great washer. I just wouldn't put one in a laundromat! I wouldn't put a Frigmore or an HE3t in a laundromat, either, because they also have somewhat vulnerable door gaskets or pumps.




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Post# 4920-9/9/2001-19:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Spambdamn, thanks for the interesting info and insights. Actually, I believe there are Frigidaire f/l coinops; though I think they may be called something other than Frigidaire. I saw a couple in a laundromat in Omaha when I was visiting Greg this spring.

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Post# 4921-9/9/2001-20:31 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: Hi, Rich, are you sure your Compact 30 is a self clean (Electri-clean) model? Because they didn't make a Self clean until 68 or 69 in the Compact 30 style, with RBE539 as the model number. I think the original style/model was introduced in 1962; but I will keep checking!
SteveD

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Post# 4922-9/9/2001-20:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (Coin operated Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Scott
The coin operated Frigidaire front loaders are repackaged as Wascomat washers.
Jim

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Post# 4923-9/9/2001-20:35 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (think so....)
MESSAGE: Hi, Scott, I think you're right. My daughter goes to a state school (college), and the have commercial Neppies in the laundry room, but not coin operated - laundry is included in the room/board cost. But they definately are not home models. SteveD

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Post# 4924-9/9/2001-20:44 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Contortionist effort!)
MESSAGE: Appnut, thanks for the suggestion on the Atlantis lid switch. Unfortunately my new MAV8600 has its switch opening on the inner hinge side of the lid (which opens toward the console). It is such a design as to prevent ALMOST any gadget to work to manually trip the damn thing. Funny, but I have found that a sturdy 'rattail comb' works. I have to hold the comb by the tines and push the rattail end up from the back, underside of the open lid where I can visualize the switch - its a contortionist effort at best! For right now, I have almost given up until my electrician friend can override the dual protected safety switch. Maytag really makes this difficult!

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Post# 4925-9/9/2001-20:57 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: By the way, speaking of some 'vintage' detergents, does anyone recall the brand called "Silver-Dust" that came with little boxes of washcloths inside? LoLoL, Blast from the FAR past!

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Post# 4926-9/9/2001-21:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Lenny, I don't remember Silver-Dust coming with washclothes inside, but I do remember Breeze having hand towels and Duz having glasses inside the box.

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Post# 4927-9/9/2001-21:33 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Positive! It says "Electriclean Oven" right on it! And it's pretty definite, it's engraved in the stainless band on the front, and then filled in with black enamel.

It could well be a post-65 model; I have no idea exactly when the 2nd kitchen was added because it looks like there never was a permit (gasp!) for it. ;-). I'm just surmising it came from the original kitchen. Maybe not. I bet there was a nice old Wedgewood gas range with a nice chrome plated griddle that they junked instead ;-).





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Post# 4928-9/9/2001-21:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Hi Scott!!!

I was in Las vegas about two years ago for a convention (not nearly as fun as the one in Minnie) and the hotel I was staying in had coinop Maytag Neptunes in the self-serve laundry room. I was going to try them, but ran out of time. So, they've been around at least that long. I think you should do a test and take some laundry to the mat and the rest in your Frigidaire and compare!

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Post# 4929-9/9/2001-21:41 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (ok, think I have it..)
MESSAGE: Ok, Rich, here's what I have found..
Frigidaire intro'd the ElectriClean oven on 2 free-standing 30" ranges May 1965. Your Compact 30 should be a RBE533"P", introduces as a less-deluxe model in March 1969. In Jan 1970, they changed the KW rating from 11.9 to 14.1.
So.......I think it is a '69 or '70 model. Hope this info is satisfactory!!!
SteveD
PS Im sorry you have had bad luck with your Precision Wash DW. We have ours since 11/97 and have been very happy with it.

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Post# 4930-9/9/2001-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: That model # Rich is most likely a post 1965 model #.

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Post# 4931-9/9/2001-21:53 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, I do remember Silver Dust (omg,from when?) in the early 60s. I also remember telling my aunt to buy Vel Automatic Dishwasher detergent, even though she didn't have a dishwasher....I've been told that when I was 4 or 5, I would go to my grandfather's grocery store and tell women to buy Tide because it was the best. I would collect detergent boxes to play "store"....but I only sold detergent! SteveD

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Post# 4932-9/9/2001-21:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Thanks for the info! I think it must then be a '70, since it's a 14.1 KW model (or at least that's what I can make out of that part of the label. It's very crudded up in that part of it and I didn't have time to clean it off completely.

This helps me date when they did what to the house. I think!

At some point they also replaced the big kitchen appliances in the house itself. I believe this was around '86, because that's the date of the harvest gold GE sxs fridge that was in there in '97. The GE washer/dryer were also harvest gold, as is the cooktop hood and the GE wall oven. There was also a matching GE dishwasher. I got rid of the fridge, washer/dryer, and dishwasher.

Thanks for the condolences on the Fridgidaire dishwasher. You might be interested in knowing that the bottom rack from the old GE washer (porcelain interior!) fit into the new in 97 Frigidaire dishwasher. I eventually threw it out, however, no need for a spare one of those I think.

Part of my problem with the Frig dw was inexperience on my part. It kept on clogging and not draining properly. I didn't understand about the vacuum breaker cap on the sink. So I'd jiggle the drain hose under the sink and it would drain a bit, enough to start a new cycle. Finally I took apart the top of the vacuum breaker (or anti-siphon device) and it was clogged with glass, toothpick, etc. It drained ok after that, but then shortly thereafter, the pump went out. It's possible its life was shortened by the blockage at the breaker. After I replaced the pump, the heater went out. Plus maybe a couple of thermostats. After replacing all those items it's been generally ok. However I'm not happy with the way the upper rack binds when you try to push it back in. Or the noise level. However, it hasn't flooded the kitchen so I suppose I should be thankful for that!


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Post# 4933-9/9/2001-22:11 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents (Silver Dust Hinderance)
MESSAGE: Steved:
LOLOL, I KNOW, I guess were dating ourselves to admit that we remember those brands! My mom used Silver-Dust in her wringer machine and of course I was there to help (Probably Hinder actually)! I was probably 5 yrs old when we had the wringer and used Silver Dust. I remember I loved 'shifting' the orange-red lever into gear to 'fire her up'! I loved washing machines even back then in the ice-age!!! LOLOL...Lenny

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Post# 4934-9/9/2001-22:21 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: I MAY have DREAMED this commercial so if no one remembers it then I probably did: It was for Frigidaire washers, Rollermatic probably with the plunger action agitator: A little boy pouring milk and chocolate syrup into the machine and turning it on to mix his chocolate milk using the 'thorough' Jetcone action after which he used a straw to drink his 'thoroughly mixed' drink!!! I REALLY think I saw that commercial as a child!!!! Was it POSSIBLE??? Lenny

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Post# 4935-9/9/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: My dear Lenny. Zometimez a vashing mazhine iz chust a vashing mazhine.


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Post# 4936-9/9/2001-22:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: LOL I think we know who would win that competition Rich, but as a practical matter, f/ls are good for comforters and things, so that will give me a chance to check the place and the machines out! Scott :)

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Post# 4937-9/9/2001-22:53 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: Lenny, there definitely was a Frigidaire advertisement like that, either on TV or in magazines, or perhaps both.  I don't remember the details of a little boy and chocolate syrup and all that, but I do recall a milkshake being made.

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Post# 4938-9/9/2001-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: They have a coin laundry with Neptunes in, of all places, Newton, Iowa! Saw it on the way back from Rockford when I took pics of the Maytag Corp. headquarters and campus. There were only Neps and two large comm. washers - also Maytag. The dryers were all Speed Queen - just kidding!

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Post# 4939-9/9/2001-22:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Contortionist effort!)
MESSAGE: I used a Dodge key - they are long and have a nice rubber grip to hold onto. I couldn't hold it there for a whole cycle, but it's still a Maytag - didn't miss much, I'm sure.

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Post# 4940-9/9/2001-00:35 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream? (Frigidaire dream/commercial: plunger action agitator!)
MESSAGE: Lenny:
My boss (let's just call him Dr. Psyx) could have a field day with your Frigidaire dream/commercial; let's see, you've got plunger agitator action, milk, and drinking (sucking) through a straw. Verry interesting. Much deep-seated meaning. Your 50 minutes are up. That will be $250.

LOL!

But then again, as our esteemed Dr. Spambdamn has so eloquently stated: "Zometimez a vashing machine iz chust a vashing machine."

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Post# 4941-9/10/2001-05:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: You need the data from the name/model plate to date it. Post it and you will get a date from someone. TT

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Post# 4942-9/10/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: We have bypassed the door switch and run one with the door open. There is not much to see suds-wise or rinse-wise. You could always stop it and feel the water to see if it is slippery, I guess. One of the reasons, according to Maytag, that they did not put a window in the thing is that it does not look like much washing or rinsing is going on because it uses so little water. They sort of pioneered what I call "damp cleaning" which the hettie seems to have taken to new heights. I wonder why Maytag did not or would not tell Lenny about the damping devices in the door? Thermal insulation, PUHLEAZE. TT

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Post# 4943-9/10/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: They did not use the Maytag agitator because they needed something that would move clothes during the filming. Maytag magic was that the agitator only "worked" when the lid was down. If you watched it, it did not perform. They did not want you raising the lid and seeing things in the rinse like safe property at the shore, always above the water line. TT

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Post# 4944-9/10/2001-06:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele's PERCIL
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports mentioned it once when testing the Miele. When HE detergents were not very available here, it was sort of necessary, but it is very expensive. They mentioned how much per wash and how it almost negated water and energy savings. Now that we have more HE detergents it is less necessary to buy this. Using less detergent with Calgon or the complex phosphates greatly improves rinsing. TT

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Post# 4945-9/10/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: There were often tie-ins, like todays WP and Proctor & Gamble stuff. Dash and WH were usually seen together and probably shared the costs of advertising. You can bet that if Maytag was so prominently featured in the ad, they helped with the cost for the product association.

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Post# 4946-9/10/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (The Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and all of the light & resulting heat makes the actors sweaty which is why they shave them and....Oh, sorry different thread.

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Post# 4947-9/10/2001-06:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Steve, Like you, I have found that the heating of the wash for whites is very beneficial and have come to really like my Miele, and the Creda, too for that matter. TT

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Post# 4948-9/10/2001-06:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: DASH

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Post# 4949-9/10/2001-06:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet
MESSAGE: John says the Duet is on the WP price list he just got and there are two models, one with heating and one without. They will only be available in white, but with your choice of grey controls/door trim or blue. TT

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Post# 4950-9/10/2001-06:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: Same problem that leads to many ills, lack-o-action. First it was that damn water level control in the lid because the timed fill AMPs had no safety lid switch, then the full time lid switch to keep bad action from being revealed.

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Post# 4951-9/10/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating
MESSAGE: Actually 65-67 would be almost on time for this. There were no self cleaning oven ranges before GE introduced it in 63/64. Frigidaire was a little later with the feature. The first Compact 30s did not have the Cookmaster, but they offered it in a higher priced model a couple of years after introduction of the Compact 30.

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Post# 4952-9/10/2001-07:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Scott, when Steve and Rhinnie were here last fall, we walked up to a shopping center and saw Neppies in a grungy laundromat along with dead SQ drycleaners.

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Post# 4953-9/10/2001-07:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: If you bought the bigger sizes, you got hand towels with King size and bath towels with Giant size.

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Post# 4954-9/10/2001-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Unusual Brands ??
MESSAGE: From the sale we got the '56 Hotpoint, I also found some paperwork on the research materials the owner used when buying their Maytag A606 in 1972. There are a couple of tables cut from Consumer Reports and listed in the brands are "Viking" (grouped with & similar performance data as Norge, Hamilton, etc.) and GSW Easy Mark III which is similar to the Hoover washer. Would this have been a Blackstone (which isn't listed) as was the Hoover?

In the CU tables the Maytag A606 and the Frigidaire WCDS are underlined, but they obviously narrowed it down to the Maytag. He seemed to be a big GM fan by all the auto brochures there.



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Post# 4955-9/10/2001-07:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Brands ??
MESSAGE: Greg, GSW Easy and I believe GSW McClary were the same Canadian brand. I posted the GSW McClary brochures eariler this year (I've since deleted them). Remember the similarility between the McClary "Spiralator" and the Easy "Spiralator".

The Viking brand I believe is still being marketed in Canada. In the 1970s, GE made Vikings, complete with mini-basket, clamshell timer, but a side opening lid. I will post Viking brochures from the 70's sometime soon for you to see.

Maybe Eddy can give us more insite???

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Post# 4956-9/10/2001-08:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Brands ??
MESSAGE: I didn't remember the GSW on the McClary brochures you'd posted before. Interesting to know the Viking thing - it threw me when comparing to others around it, would never have guessed a GE relation with a left swing lid.

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Post# 4957-9/10/2001-10:16 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action!
MESSAGE: While I agree that Maytag goes to seemingly great efforts in their lid safety switch mechanisms, that 'flaw' has nothing to do with its action. I can attest that the Atlantis has 'excellent' wash-action. There is lots of water 'sloshing' and outstanding rollover. The 'load-sensing' agitator is, granted, a little silly. It either rotates with large load pressure or it just oscillates with light loads. In fact, the Atlantis might even be considered a little too rough on the clothes (C.R. listed Atlantis as 'among the least gentle' on the clothing but 'not unacceptably so'. My main dissatisfaction at this point is that darn complex double-safety lid switch - otherwise what more 'wash-action' could one want??? Im happy with it anyway! Lenny

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Post# 4958-9/10/2001-10:23 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream? (Frigidaire Milkshake)
MESSAGE: THANK YOU, THANK YOU DADeOS:
That Frigidaire commercial with the Milkshake is so long ago and far away in my childhood memory that EXACT details are very fuzzy but I am THRILLED that you DO remember something about the Frigidaire commercial. Yes, it might have just been a milkshake the washer was making rather than chocolate milk AND it may not have shown the kid drinking from a straw BUT there was something about the Jetcone mixing a drink! Thank you for jolting your memory and making me realize that it DID exist...as it could easily have been a washer 'dream' (LOLOL Ive had LOTS of those). That commercial always stuck in my memory for some reason!


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Post# 4959-9/10/2001-10:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

After pulling a bath towel out of the Silver Dust, I bet there was about one cup of detergent in the box. Ha!

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Post# 4960-9/10/2001-10:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Wow!!! What a find! Congrats!

Maybe this signals the end of the dry spell and the treasures will start showing up!

-ph

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Post# 4961-9/10/2001-10:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Tom,

You haven't seen the latest AEG's yet. They use only 39 litres for a full load, which is I believe around 10 gallons. It's almost drycleaning.

Louis

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Post# 4962-9/10/2001-10:42 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream? (Just FUN!)
MESSAGE: LOLOL Janet Planet:
But, I assure you that my interest in washing machines and splashing soap-suds is just 'clean' wholesome FUN!! Lenny

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Post# 4963-9/10/2001-10:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: And I made a picture of a Neptune in a laundromat in Rhodes, Greece last year. It was not a coinop, but it was a commercial machine.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/Laundromat+on+Rhodes&.src=ph&.dnm=American+and+European+washers.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/Laundromat%2bon%2bRhodes%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4964-9/10/2001-10:47 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action!
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny

I think Tom was referring to older Maytag wash action. The Atlantis has the wide-sweep action of its Norge ancestors, not classic Maytag action. With the auger agitator, Atlantis probably has the best wash action among modern top loaders, except maybe for the F&P.

I had an early 70's Maytag ex-large capacity and the wash action was dismal. The safety switch was easy to trip, and except for small loads, I always ended up helping it along by pushing the clothes down into the tub. The rinse, which was very short and did not seem to fill with as much water, hardly moved the clothes at all. Yet, that machine was harder on clothes than any other I've owned. But I liked it, nonetheless. Lots of chrome and panel lights.

It kept on going, and going, and going, and going...I sold the set, both still working, when they were 20 years old.

Rich

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Post# 4965-9/10/2001-11:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action!
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, I thrilled you love your new washer. Congrats again. Its really not difficult to jump that switch.

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Post# 4966-9/10/2001-11:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (The Sixth Rinse)
MESSAGE: I can see it now... a grungy laundromat with a frightened little boy...

"I see dead Speed Queens!"

(from the sequel to the Sixth Sense, "The Sixth Rinse"...


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Post# 4967-9/10/2001-11:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Rich, the bath towels were not the luxury thickness of today's premium towels and the bath towel box ws B-I-G. Anything that costs nothing is generally worth it.

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Post# 4968-9/10/2001-12:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Estate sale
MESSAGE: On the way to a friend's house Sunday, I checked out an estate sale during its last 20 minutes. The house was a beautiful 50s showcase still in the original family. Beautiful bathrooms in pink, green, blue with original fixtures, gorgeous tile and wall coverings, all in top shape. The kitchen has new black glass builtins which did not go well with the soft Westinhouse aqua of the cabinets and the KD11 DW. I opened it. The interior was in great shape almost 50 years after it was built. In the top rack was the owners manual. I slipped it out and into my stuff. Anybody who pays around a half million for a house is not going to keep that kitchen or DW. So anyway we now have that manual. No detergent cup or dispenser, no pre rinse, no pre wash purge, 5 minute wash, two 1 minute rinses, dry. 35 minutes total, 7 gals of water. TT

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Post# 4969-9/10/2001-12:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Good for you Tom! That's how I got the research stuff out on the Maytag from the Hotpoint sale. A little trick I learned from Robert. I've gotten several owners manuals and paper items that way. I figure we're saving someone the trouble of throwing it all away.

I love those 50's houses with the colors and the kitchens to die for - I recently saw one (early 60's) with all the orginal Hotpoint appliances in Mocha brown, blonde cabinets and gold swirl counters. There was no dishwasher, but what a step back in time!

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Post# 4970-9/10/2001-12:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Pictures?  A scan of the manual?

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Post# 4971-9/10/2001-12:37 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents (Free towels)
MESSAGE: I remember asking my mom to buy some of the laundry product that contained the towels. I thought the towels looked huge and fluffy in the commercials. We didn't really need any towels, but hey, it was on TV. She refused, but in retrospect I wonder if it was because Duz was a soap product, and she had a Bendix front loader with more than her share of over-sudsing problems.

I've got an old comedy album from the early 70's (The Congress of Wonders) that does a spoof on those free towel in soap commercials. It was on a mythical show titled "The Flower Power Flour Hour", and if you bought a box of Flower Power Flour you got a free Flower Power Flour Towel. OK, it was more amusing on drugs. The COW did have some other great bits, including "Pigeons in the Park" that featured a geriatric Jerry Garcia and Phil Lesh sitting on a park bench in their dotage. Plus great spoofs of Star Trek and the Lone Ranger (Star Trip and The Stoned Ranger)... My favorite bit was an odd little 3 minute reminiscense of childhood on an upper class country estate... "Flipping-on-the-Hod", every sentence contained one or more complex puns...




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Post# 4972-9/10/2001-13:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Tom, I didn't realize there was a KD11, I thought KA went from KD10 to KD12, learn something new everyday.

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Post# 4973-9/10/2001-13:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale (For the good of Applianceville)
MESSAGE: Yup, I usually find a magazine or record album to slip the vintage owners manual into. I've found that they sometimes wont sell an owners manual even if the appliance is long gone, so know I don't give them a choice. Its important for the good of Applianceville!

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Post# 4974-9/10/2001-13:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents (Free Glasses inside Duz)
MESSAGE: While I was going through more of my video collection last night I found a mid 60's Duz TV commercial that shows the boxes coming with a free drinking glass inside, the commercial bragged more about the quality of the glass than the quality of the detergent! I will post this soon.

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Post# 4975-9/10/2001-13:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Yes, Scott, coin-op Neppies came right out when the machines were first introduced. And just like the domestic models, the earlier models were the pits, and the most recent models are holding up much better. Not that I would install them in my 'mat tho...

The big Maytag commercial FL's are currently made by Primus out of Belgium. Previously, they were made by Unimac (which is now part of Alliance Laundry systems with SQ and Huebsch). The commercial BIG Maytag dryers are made by American Dryer Company (ADC).

-ph

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Post# 4976-9/10/2001-13:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Mind your soap usage tho'. I seem to remember that coin-op Neppies rinse only 2 times...

-ph

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Post# 4977-9/10/2001-13:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: The Frigmore coin-op FL's are sold by Wascomat and GE...

-ph

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Post# 4978-9/10/2001-13:40 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Atlantis MAV8600)
MESSAGE: Unimatic:
Thanks for your vote of confidence on the Atlantis. So far, I'm loving it! Lenny

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Post# 4979-9/10/2001-13:50 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Rich:
I remember some of the really old Maytags (70's) with the light blue agitators. Are those the models you are referring to regarding the poor wash action? Somewhere along the line, Matag went from a 'decent' agitation stroke arc to a rapid, short stroke arc with their 'Quad-clean' agitators. (Did 'Quad-Clean agitators use the Helical Drive Tranny)? Now, they are using the 155 degree sweep arc in the Atlantis which provides a nice rollover action. Can't Maytag make up its mind on arc degree effectiveness? Can't they just look inside and watch for good rollover instead of mathematical engineering equasions on paper??? LOL Lenny

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Post# 4980-9/10/2001-13:59 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Clutch or Slippage on Atlantis?
MESSAGE: By the way, regarding the new Atlantis units:
Does anyone know how this machine manages to accelerate on spin? I don't believe there is a 'clutch' per-se, but there MUST be something that takes the motor torque and slowly accellerates the tub to full speed during spin. Could it be simply a slippage of the drive belt? If so, that doesnt seem like an efficient method!!

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Post# 4981-9/10/2001-14:44 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Clutch or Slippage on Atlantis?
MESSAGE: Thats right. And that is one of the reasons I said it was an inefficent and out dated design.

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Post# 4982-9/10/2001-14:52 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Shattered Illusions!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Good to see another classic finding a good home, our illusions are finally shattered about the name, the amount of engineers and car mechanics who came shopping with wives and purchased those washers because of the "Advanced Engineering Germany marketing name" and the other model name was "Lavamat Bella"

If I remember rrightly the front panel removes completly for servicing etc..

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4983-9/10/2001-14:58 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Smelling Salts Needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Two great finds, looking forward to the video action shots.

Hotpoint UK has as far as I remember the famous "Spiralator" or "Spiraclean" Agitator or wash action, have your Hotpoint machines always been marketed as this??

In the Hoover twinny are all the tubs plastic or metal coated and did the TOL models have metal??

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4984-9/10/2001-15:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny

My Maytag had the aqua colored "power-fin" agitator with the lint filter and softener dispenser in it. It had a slow stroke. I did not overload it, but often did heavy loads of towels, jeans, or cotton knit shirts. The agitator sloshed them back and forth, but was not very effective in pulling the load down into the tub. Still, the results were satisfactory.

I used that machine for my son's soccer and baseball uniforms that got pretty muddy. I would prewash them, then soak with detergent and color safe bleach overnight in the machine. The next day I would refill with hot water, more detergent, and run the longest cycle, adding some chlorine bleach the last few minutes of wash, and added an extra rinse. I guess any machine could get something clean with that regime. Ha!

When you get the switch "fixed" on your Atlantis, I'd be interested to know how the turnover rate is. I bet it's very good. The Norge wide-sweep agitator action always seemed to produce good movement, and that is the tranny in the Atlantis.

Rich



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Post# 4985-9/10/2001-15:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (Loads of Money)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter

This rinse problem is the same in commercial as well eh!

The local lauderette here has the ancient Huebsch machines, are they 300/500rpm, when my machine broke few months ago thought I`d go and use the local,have a coffee & read etc, took the clothes out and they were sopping wet, looked around NO Extractor!!! spent about £9.oo on two loads of washing to dry them, really peeded me off..

A lot of OAP`s use this place and they would part dry and then finish off at home on the line because they coulnt afford it..

Could`nt believe the bottle of the owner, he`ll certainly be retiring soon!!!

p.s how many extractors do you have???


Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4986-9/10/2001-15:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

You really made me smile with this post, well done that mind for remembering, another "End of Discussion".

But what made me laugh was the "Glide To You" oven racks were they marketed as this, if not they should have been. LOL

Bosch/Siemens/Hotpoint re-invented this system 10+ years on their TOL models but it really didnt take off...

Laughing merrily, Mike

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Post# 4987-9/10/2001-15:23 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Have machine manufacturers shortened the stroke or arc sweep of wash agitators over the years, in favour of bigger or different curved vanes on the agitators to move the wash around etc??

Cheers, Mike

p.s. sound like you`ve had lots of laundry programme practice

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Post# 4988-9/10/2001-15:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Shattered Illusions!!!)
MESSAGE: The AEG Lavamat Bella was the TOL model from a series that wasn't different from the normal models. I have seen these machines in the smaller shops that don't belong to one of the white goods chains. I think they just got a name for marketing reasons. Other models were the Lavamat Princess and the Lavamat Domina. I often wondered what proper housewifes wanted washers in their homes with such names. But then again their vacuums were called Vampyr and their electric broom was called Vampyrette.

Louis

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Post# 4989-9/10/2001-15:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: MEMO: Maytag Analysis Meeting
MESSAGE: Big thanks to Magic Clean for providing all of us here in Applinaceville some good dish (a Maytag Memo!):


Subject: Maytag Analysts’ Meeting July 26, 2001

Some 43 analysts attended, most arriving late. After talking with Paul Wagner of Lehman (with whom I had talked about the floor care percents late last year), I joined the Merrill Lynch group, headed by just-assigned Managing Director for Appliances, Jeanne G. Terrile. Nick Heymann, Prudential Securities, arrived late and huddled with Jeffrey Sprague (Salomon Smith Barney) and David MacGregor (Midwest Research). All three focused on lunch and left at the conclusion of the open Q&A. [There was no informal pre-luncheon meeting with Maytag executives.] Of the three, only Mr. MacGregor asked a question, and it was phrased as a friendly brand equity softball.

The analysts were well disposed to Messrs. Hake and Wood (CFO) and seemed to buy his pitch that over the next 2-3 years, he could absorb Amana, “block & tackle” Maytag into shape, and capitalize on brand equity with high priced products (slide #3). The slide show speaks for itself: opener focusing on how well Maytag did 1995-1999, one slide (without numbers) on 1999-2000 during which CEO Hake said Maytag “added management and costs” before he turned to the current situation.

Specific Brands

With respect to questions about brands, the CEO commented as follows:

Jenn-Air: high consumer preference, but doesn’t have the organization or product to support the brand. Still good profitability. Will take 2 years to recover.

Magic Chef: “problems of cost structure and lack of sufficient retail presence.”

Admiral: “lost soul” with the exit of Montgomery Ward. “I am not going to share the strategy.”

Amana: “has not been well supported. We will first fix the product.” Turnaround will take two years.

Dixie-Narco: the management team is “very busy looking for geographic and product partners. To be frank, their position is tenuous.”

Distribution

Mr. Hake said he would be “coy” with respect to distribution plans; he was. “With Home Depot, Sears and Wal-Mart we now have a new rivalry. Maytag needs to be on any floor where Maytag shoppers shop. The rivalry will play out, but we will get full value for our brands over 3-4 years.” As for the sales force, 50 people have been added since 2000, not including Amana.

Cost Structure

“We will benchmark against the lowest cost competitors. Head count and SG&A clearly are too high.”


Amana Acquisition

Amana was a repeat of what was said in the original announcements with emphasis on unspecified synergy opportunities (logistics, marketing/sales, engineering, administration, consumer care, procurement & manufacturing). The CFO said, in response to my question, that the price was approximately book value; there will be “no significant goodwill.” As for the facilities, the CEO replied to my two-part question, “It is premature to say what is going to happen. We will have to have a close look after the sale is closed. Due diligence has been limited to seeing a little of what was under the tent. We need to know more how to rationalize the overcapacity. It will be done within 18 months.”

Floor Care

As requested, I raised the floor care business downturn and current margin situation twice without eliciting the desired number*1*. The CEO maintained the Maytag floor care downturn was a “mix issue” caused by distributors delaying purchases because Hoover had announced a new line that was late coming from the factory. The channel wanted the new vacuums. As for the margins, “I’ve read what you analysts have written and they are not out of the realm.” Hoover is “very profitable” although currently it is at the “low end of your average.” Asked about Hoover’s almost complete vertical integration, he said he had just seen the motor plant (upgraded for $19 million) and considered it very competitive.

Future Plans

Under “winning in the future,” he stressed the favorable demographics as the baby boomers hit 45 years in 2000 (see slide) and favor the top 1/3 appliances price points. He promised three unspecified new products in 2000 and 2001, while admitting none would be a Neptune. The “key driver” was “innovative products supported by premium brands.”

Internationally, Mr. Hake plans to focus on North America for the next two-three years. “We’re under represented in Canada and not legitimately in Mexico.” In addition, there is a small export business, which might grow. However, “Globalization is a very risky way to grow.” As for China, he said the new management there would be given a short time to fix the problems or Maytag will divest. To me, he added afterwards: “I worked in China and shut down two out of three businesses; I should have shut three.” I concluded the China JV will be divested.

Maytag’s Internet Model

While stressing in the Q&A that Maytag had 3,000 Maytag distribution trade partners of all sizes and types “signed up,” Mr. Hake hyped his Internet model. He claimed 70% of all households are online (high estimate) but make only 1% of all transactions. However, 27% or 11 million appliance shoppers researched online and 66% (7 million shoppers) bought the exact make and model they researched online. Average retail price was $810 with 50% of all sales being made during normal business hours. Unlike the GE Home Depot model, Maytag’s web site lists the local distribution partners, options with the latter’s prices, promotions, and delivery availability.

July Results

Current month is “on track,” although he reminded analysts that July 2000 was poor.

Question & Answer Session

During the Q&A, CEO Hake asserted, “Design and cost effective manufacturing were not high on Maytag’s list ‘till now.” Over the next 2-3 years, he promised to “get Maytag’s house in order” by rationalizing manufacturing, shrinking the number of supplies and (with Amana aboard) reducing the number of platforms. [The analysts were nodding heads in agreement.]

Lack of understanding about: a) the trust redeemable preferred and b) the put options “temporary equity” pulled Mr. Wagner of Lehman and several others to CFO Wood for an explanation.*2* He tried, but made little headway while agreeing with me that he “wished Maytag had never done either financing.” He anticipated the EPS dilution would cause a “lot of ripples,” and he didn’t look forward to explaining the problem to the financial community. He planned to retire the options as soon as possible. Long-term debt was $719.2 million on June 30 (2.71 LTD/OE) and would rise after the Amana acquisition. The planned sale of Blodgett and Jade for $150 million cash before the year-end would help meet the promise to the financial institutions that total debt would be cut $50-75 million by December 31. All available free cash flow in 2002 will go for debt reduction.


*1* In a one-on-one post luncheon conversation, Mr. Hake said, “You wrapped up that margin question in interesting ways…I’m not going to reveal the Hoover margin unless the SEC demands it.”

*2*As you know, the redeemable preferred in the subsidiary trust, which Maytag tried to classify as minority interest, is long-term debt. The net income is unchanged with minority interest becoming interest. Long-term debt is increased by the redeemable preferred. Because of the potential dilution of the Maytag subsidiary trust contract, EPS may change “significantly.” Mr. Wood would not speculate to me how much.
Most of the “temporary equity” was reclassified as owners’ equity (which was $265 million on June 30, 2001, up from $21.7 million on December 31) and the rest shown as assets and debt, “representing the fair market value of the put option contracts.” Changes in the fair market value must be included in income; for the second quarter of 2001, the non-cash accounting change was $3.7 million. The reclassification was done in the unaudited statements; presumably, Maytag cleared this approach with the auditors


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Post# 4990-9/10/2001-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: My mother has a Siemens oven with a "Glide To You" oven. She likes it very much, alas no pink on that 70's oven.

Louis

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Post# 4991-9/10/2001-17:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (Don't loose an arm)
MESSAGE: Mikey!

Hardmount washers are not the best at extraction. Dexter, the fastest, pulls some 90 G's throughout their line. My Wascomat doubles pull about 90 G's, but my triples pull only 80-something. My GE toploaders beat them out with extraction!

Extractors are few and far between here. I'm considering one, but extrators are rather cost prohibitive. For $10K, you can add about 3 stacked dryers to your 'mat. Most owners would rather add the dryers to reduce a bottleneck than to add an extractor. Then there's the old fear that someone will loose an arm reaching into a spinning extractor. That's just about impossible with the way they are made now. And, surprisingly enough, most store owners think they make more money by putting wetter clothes in a dryer and letting it run longer. I've had this argument with several store owners in person and on various chat boards. Here's what they say: if for every quarter put into a dryer, you make 2 cents, then it's better for you to force your customer to use 4 quarters to dry (you make 8 cents) than it is for that customer to use an extractor and dry with 1 or 2 quarters (you make 2 to 4 cents). Definitely one of the most stupid arguments around. Thay fail to see that if you charge 50 cents for an extractor cycle, you will make about 48 cents off that cycle, far surpassing any income you'd make in your dryers. I want to put high-extract washers in my store, provide free soap and softener and charge 50 more per wash, far surpassing any income from my dryers, but 1) every thinks that's the most crazy idea around and 2) high-extract washers are also cost prohibitive and won't reach top speed unless the customer loads it up.

-ph

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Post# 4992-9/10/2001-17:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Shattered Illusions!!!)
MESSAGE: Lavamat Dominatrix? Sounds more like a stage name...

-ph

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Post# 4993-9/10/2001-17:32 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: MEMO: Maytag Analysis Meeting
MESSAGE: DAMN!!! I hate corporate America! No wonder why they have to "put thier house in order". They are so worried about profitability instead of their product. They need to have Maytag on every sales floor where Maytag shoppers are? What the hell is that? They don't realize that every major appliance outlet in the USA carries Maytag? They are being coy about how they are going to position their brands says that they don't have a clue what they are doing. It's so infuriating to me to read corporate drivvel like this about something that I -- that we all here -- have such passion about. That's like here at my company to get a memo that talks about what it will take to make bonus and you don't see the word "hotel" or "guest" once in it... What the hell business are they in -- pleasing the analysts and stock holders or making a superior product? aaaaaarrrrggggghhhh!!!

-ph

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Post# 4994-9/10/2001-17:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Smelling Salts Needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike -

The Thriftivator was in the early days, but the Spiralator was an Easy name for their agitator. I don't recall what GE/Hotpoint called their spiral agitators - perhaps somebody has some literature?

The Hoover wash tubs were always plastic in this vintage (70's) but the spinner basket is aluminum with a plastic top rim. This also was the TOL or "Deluxe" model that had the auto rinse feature. Our neighbor had one and she would spin the washing out thoroughly, then turn on the water and set the rinse selector (right knob) for automatic rinse. There is a float switch in the outer tub of the spin basket that floats up with the water level, begins spinning until the float goes back down. It's not very efficient unless you let the fill/spin cycle on and off about 10 times.

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Post# 4995-9/10/2001-17:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hoover Twinnies)
MESSAGE: I had a Hoover twin-tub once that had a plastic spin basket - hadn't seen that before, but it was a later model year and not the TOL.

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Post# 4996-9/10/2001-19:14 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Clutch or Slippage on Atlantis? (Must be a disgruntled Maytag employee!!!)
MESSAGE: Dear HQOTS:
How is it that as SOON as I saw your name responding to my Atlantis question, I KNEW it would be a NEGATIVE jab at my BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL, FABULOUS, OUTSTANDING Maytag Atlantis? I've been using it nonstop since It arrived on Saturday and I couldnt LOVE it better! If Maytag engineers have decided on belt slippage for a clutch then its EXCELLENT for me and MY money! I WILL and DO wholeheartedly recommend Maytag Atlantis as a MODERN, State-of-the-art, highly stylish machine to anyone who should ask my opinion. For me, Im THRILLED with my choice and that I did'nt drop my the money on the Kenmore Catalist.

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Post# 4997-9/10/2001-19:29 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (GE spiral agitator)
MESSAGE: I think the General Electric spiral agitator was called the Activator.

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Post# 4998-9/10/2001-19:29 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Power Fin agitator)
MESSAGE: Rich:
I DO remember those aqua Maytag agitators and I thought they had a good stroke arc but as I didnt own one, I cant comment on its efficiency. I know that that agitator had the four fins near the bottom and not much (if any) fin on the shaft. Maybe those machines needed todays technology with the Auger and they would have moved the wash better. Anyway thanks for your thoughts. I feel that Maytag does make a solid, reliable machine as your 20 yr + unit has proved.

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Post# 4999-9/10/2001-19:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike!

In a nut-shell: The Whirlpool-made top loaders (Kenmore, Roper, Whirlpool) switched to a faster, shorter stroke with the changeover to direct-drive trannies. Maytag and GE (Hotpoint) followed suit. These manufacturers produce the majority of machines in the U.S.

Norge and Amana kept their long strokes, both were eventually taken over by Maytag, and now we have Maytag producing a machine with a long stroke and stainless steel tub (the Atlantis). At least Maytag seems to pick up on some of the strong points of different lines it aquires. Not like WCI dropping the Frigidaire design completely.

WCI (Frigidaire, Kelvinator, Gibson, Tappan) top loaders' agitation strokes are just dismal, dragged too far in the counter-ocillation by the "revolving tub." I will admit that I haven't seen one of the new Frigidaire auger style two-piece agitators in action, so I don't know if they help the situation. Anyone ever see one?

You usually find a slower, longer agitation stroke in older machines and a quick, short stroke in new models.

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Post# 5000-9/10/2001-20:01 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Rich your last statement pretty much sums up how some things in life work out!

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Post# 5001-9/10/2001-20:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Clutch or Slippage on Atlantis? (Must be a disgruntled Maytag employee!!!)
MESSAGE: Lenny, I am very happy you like the machine you bought. However you asked a question and I answered it. Sorry if you didn't like the answer. As you said yourself, "Could it be simply a slippage of the drive belt? If so, that doesnt seem like an efficient method!! " Remember, you asked the question.

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Post# 5002-9/10/2001-21:34 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale (KD11)
MESSAGE: Hi, Robert......the KD10 series was the only KitchenAid with a horizontal wash motor, which changed on the KD11 to the vertical motor style that KitchenAid maintained till changing to whatever it is they build now. SteveD

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Post# 5003-9/10/2001-21:36 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale (manual)
MESSAGE: Hi, Glen, as a fellow Hobart/KitchenAid lover I have several manuals,(KD10 not 11) but no scanner :-( ....I will see if I figure out who could scan it for me to share!! SteveD

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Post# 5004-9/10/2001-23:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: MEMO: Maytag Analysis Meeting
MESSAGE: Peter, I concur. Most companies now days are only concerned about the bottom line & making share holders happy. Forget about customers, quality, & employees. I oughta know, I was a recepient of that phiilosophy and now my friends at Compaq are facing similar fate.

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Post# 5005-9/10/2001-23:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Rich, I had friends that up until about 3 years ago, had a 1975 or 1976 ex. large capacity fabric-matic Myg. I got to "play" with it several times--family of 4--2 soccer players. She always stopped filling the wash at the top holes in the tub, right before that "rim". I always felt the wash action was adequate and I even told them it was the typical Myg movement. The machine was about 23 years old when it died. They now love their load-sensor based one. I never heard them complain about not getting the boys soccer & workout clothes clean. And they never had ripped clothes, even nylon wind suits when those were popular, like I've had with my Kenmore.

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Post# 5006-9/10/2001-23:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: hahaha...I guess I qualify as an older model these days!

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Post# 5007-9/10/2001-00:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Bwahahahaha!  And then we have the F&P, that varies the stroke somewhat throughout the cycle . . .  ;-)

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Post# 5008-9/10/2001-00:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale (manual)
MESSAGE: Hey, SteveD!

If you don't have anybody local to do the scanning, I can do it if you would be willing to mail the manuals to me.  However, you could probably do it or have it done at a Kinko's or other such outfit, and they could probably even put the scans on a CD.

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Post# 5009-9/10/2001-01:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: MEMO: Maytag Analysis Meeting
MESSAGE: Making the shareholders happy IS the bottom line. Gone are the days when appliance design, engineering and production are subsidised by the cash cows of the auto industry. Ahhh, the good old days. Hang on to those top loaders boys and girls - soon will be the end of the 49 gallon washload as we know it!

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Post# 5010-9/11/2001-05:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Greg, the machine I wanted, but could not buy was the 4AMP timed fill I saw years ago. John was out of town. I left one of our stickers on it, but we never heard a thing. It was the one AMP I would have been able to watch without all sorts of wiring like Robert had to do. I checked the cabinet near by and found the owners manual which is now in my Maytag folder. The HP kitchen sounds like a time trip. Those blonde cabinets were often bleached mahogany, a very expensive wood then and unheard of now. You saw it in better kitchens, often paired with turquoise appliances. Tom

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Post# 5011-9/11/2001-05:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Glenn, I do not have a scanner, but I will see if someone will scan it for us. Tom

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Post# 5012-9/11/2001-05:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Rich, I'm glad you can laugh about being an older model rather than whining about it. But then again, you are wineing about it, you get better with age. Okay, I know, I'll put a cork in it!

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Post# 5013-9/11/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents (Free towels)
MESSAGE: Detergents were not the only place you could find free towels in the grocery. I remember cloth sacks of flour with towels stitched to the top seam. There was some kind of funny knot trailing down at the end of the row of stitches that when undone properly, allowed you to pull one thread and the whole line of stitching fell open so that neither the flour sack, often a valuable source of cloth in homes whether for lintless dish towels or to be used in clothing construction, nor the towel was damaged.

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Post# 5014-9/11/2001-05:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Robert, the KD11 had the same big surface-mounted timer dial as the 10, but the pump & motor had been changed from the horizontal mount in the 10 to the vertical one that would be used through the 14s and the 10's rectangular filter was changed to the round one, also seen through the 14s.

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Post# 5015-9/11/2001-06:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Clutch or Slippage on Atlantis?
MESSAGE: Lenny, Maytag has used the belt as a clutch since the end of the AMP machines in 56. I would not be surprised if the Norge design was similar. Lots of others did that too. That's what we were telling you about belts burning up.

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Post# 5016-9/11/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Mike, Thanks for the note. Yes, Frigidaire marketed the rack as "Glide to You" because there was a linkage with the door track that pulled the rack forward when you opened the doors. You can be sure that in American marketing, any new feature has a specific name, like all the names various manufacturers gave their agitators, and Frigidaire's name for their control that turned the oven on and off by the clock: Cookmaster. Frigidaire's deep well was called a Thermizer and when they started making them with the unit that could be lifted up to the cooking surface and used as a 4th surface unit, it became the Triple Duty Thermizer because you could use the pan in the well, you could take the pan out of the well, put a rack in the well and use it as a small oven, or lift the unit to the surface. Tom

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Post# 5017-9/11/2001-06:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Stage name)
MESSAGE: For a Drag Queen

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Post# 5018-9/11/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: MEMO: Maytag Analysis Meeting
MESSAGE: Pleasing the stock holders, of course.

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Post# 5019-9/11/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Smelling Salts Needed)
MESSAGE: GE agitators were called Activators. Design did not matter.
Old Joke: What did Maytag and the Communist Party share in the 40s and early 50s in America? Thousands of Red Agitators.

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Post# 5020-9/11/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Power Fin agitator)
MESSAGE: And of coure, as a Maytag service person friend said, "Of course they last forever, they can't do anything to hurt themselves."

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Post# 5021-9/11/2001-06:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Hey Hey Leslie, gettin' a little frisky there, aren't you? Is there a more rakish hidden side behind the calm demeanor you usually display? Way to go!

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Post# 5022-9/11/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: Interesting, I never knew that. I would just LOVE to find a KD10.

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Post# 5023-9/11/2001-07:12 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis 'Excellent' Wash-Action! (Maytag Arc through the Decades!)
MESSAGE: Rich' explanation was 'priceless'. He usually has fun with stuff like that. Turnabout is fair play!

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Post# 5024-9/11/2001-07:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: The blonde and natural stains were very popular around this area and era of homes. I've seen it many times at sales. A little more rare is the colors - but we know there was at least one kitchen with charcoal gray in town, so there's always hope!

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Post# 5025-9/11/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale
MESSAGE: What was the one you had about a year or so ago? Coppertone I think?


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Post# 5026-9/11/2001-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Dirty hands for dirty clothes......
MESSAGE: After a boost of confidence and viewing the "bearing lesson" from Robert's Philco Automagic restoration again, I pulled the Speed Queen completely apart last night and after about an hour, success! I have my two bearings in a bag and will stop at the bearing shop today. I took several pics and will post tonight after I get them re-installed and the machine back together. I have also been restoring the fill flume which should be done tonight also.

I'm also going to the Launderall dealer to look for parts for the '56 Hotpoint and whatever else I can scrounge - make a wish for some agitator column seals!

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Post# 5027-9/11/2001-09:56 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Thoughts and Prayers
MESSAGE: Hi all

This is so unreal, am sat here watching everything unfold on the computer and TV screens, I wish you all and your family and friends to come through this okay, it just looks as though some wont.

Take care, Mike



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Post# 5028-9/11/2001-10:20 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers
MESSAGE: Thank Mike, I can't believe what is happening right now, a moment of silence from Applianceville to families and friends of those poor people. This is Pearl Harbor day all over again.

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Post# 5029-9/11/2001-10:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers
MESSAGE: Tom is home safe and sound!

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Post# 5030-9/11/2001-10:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers
MESSAGE: It's just unbelievable what has happened. We are all watching the TV in disbelief. Thank God, Tom is home safe and sound, I hope all the other members in Washington and New York are too. My thoughts are with all the victims and their families.

Louis

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Post# 5031-9/11/2001-10:50 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers
MESSAGE: Thank you Jason, I was worried about him.

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Post# 5032-9/11/2001-11:35 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Very unerving)
MESSAGE: Today has been a very surreal day for those of us who live in NYC and the tri-state DC area. I live in Vienna less than 10 miles from the pentagon so I have seen how this is effecting friends and neighbors. My next door neighbor Rj works down at the Navy yard and he fortunately made it home safe and sound yet my friend Sophia's sister-in-law had just started working at the Pentagon and she was there when the plane crashed. Sophia called upset because her brother couldn't get in contact with her. A friend who works with my brother Mike at the lawyers office at Tyson's(from where they could see the smoke from the Pentagon billowing above the skyline) says that her friend who was best man at her wedding worked right where the plane crashed and that they know he was killed.
So I think we should all count our blessing and pray for those who are uncertain about there love ones and also take stock in the fact that NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!
Pat Coffey

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Post# 5033-9/11/2001-12:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Very unerving)
MESSAGE: I'm just in shock about the whole thing.  I never watch the news on TV, hadn't heard a thing about it until I got to work.  Somebody I passed on the way in said "It sure has been a rough day."  That struck me as rather odd thing to say as a greeting.  Then a couple co-workers asked what I thought about the WTC and Pentagon being attacked.  Excuse me WHAT!!????

Unbelievable.

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Post# 5034-9/11/2001-12:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A sad day)
MESSAGE: My prayers and thoughts go to all my friends here at Applianceville. What happened today is a testiment to what hatred can really do. I don't hate anyone and I hope you all know that. It doesn't matter who has the best washer, what matters is that we're all in this together no matter who you are. This is the time to encourage and love your brother and sister, because stuff like this can happen again and they can be gone forever.

God bless all!

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Post# 5035-9/11/2001-13:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Very unerving)
MESSAGE: Yes it is amazingly sad and tragic. 50,000 potential casualties just in the WTC alone. I first heard about this on my portable headset radio while doing my five mile bicycle ride from home to the Amtrak station. The train mood was somber and the train was delayed an hour (normally a 30 minute trip) as they checked the train itself and the tracks ahead several times. My boss is visibly upset and has gone home for the day. I'm waiting for the next train home and will be leaving here in about an hour. My heart goes out to the victims and their friends and relatives. I fear that things will never be quite the same - air travel in particular - and I hope that there will not be more death and destruction to follow. On the positive side, an arabic co-worker has come by and said he is going to a nearby Red Cross center to donate blood.

Take care, everyone. If only we could wash the world clean of hatred and violence as easily as we wash our clothing.


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Post# 5036-9/11/2001-14:27 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A sad day)
MESSAGE: What poignant remarks. Sitting here with a knot in the stomach and lump in my throat, all one can do is wonder how, who & why? Some of the news reports state there were celebrations in connection with today's attacks. How can people(s) be led down a path; to take joy in death & destruction? I'll never understand. While calling on a Sears store this morning; a young couple with a newborn baby were in the appliance department viewing the horror on a tv across the aisle......there were tears in the mothers eyes as she rocked their child in her arms. God only knows what she was thinking. So many images forever placed into one psyche. What else is there to be said? Prayerfully.....Leslie

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Post# 5037-9/11/2001-14:46 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (My sorrows)
MESSAGE: Just absolutely UNBELIEVEABLE. In total shock that something like this can happen to us! As I write this, more and more 'horrors' blare over my radio. Gives me such a cold, frightened feeling. We sometimes think were safe because we live here in America...how untrue as this event has proven. My heartfelt sorrows to all here in Applianceville. We need eachother more than ever! Lenny

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Post# 5038-9/11/2001-15:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (this is horrible beyond anything I ever could imagine)
MESSAGE: My thoughts and prayers are with everyone here today, and anyone involved in, who lives near or has friends and relatives near these tragedies, and a special thank you to our good friends in Europe for their consoling thoughts, and for those checking in with us or passing on knowledge that they or someone is ok. This touches each and every one of us in some way or another, and sadly this is going to change much of life as we know it, not for the better and perhaps forever.

I awoke earlier than usual this morning to get ready for my shift at Target, and learned of the situation when making a quick routine check on computer before leaving. I listened to reports on the way to work, then afterwards at 2:00 I saw for the first time that awful videotape and that the Pentagon was also involved, which was even more frightening.

My shock and numbness is quickly turning to anger, while I simultaneously try not to let my imagination run too wild about what will happen next. My fulltime job in the downtown Minneapolis area has been canceled for today, and angry as I am that these people are being allowed this much control over us as a country through all these closings, protective measures and so on, certainly I understand the thinking behind these measures and I have to admit that for many reasons I did not really want to and am glad I didn't have to go down there today.

I think, however it is going to be important for all of us, as time goes on, to work at trying to be positive and hopeful and to generally "come together" in the face of this horror, and not to let these people get the upper hand. It was very difficult at times talking with my customers who like everyone were trying to make sense of what was going on, and none of us really knowing what to think, but we did our best to be friendly and helpful and conduct business as usual, while at the same time trying to empathize with people as they try and deal with this.

We have a primary election here in Minneapolis today, and I'm going to go and vote, get some air and do a few other things about the neighborhood, while praying for and thinking of my family, friends, our nation and world.

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Post# 5039-9/11/2001-17:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A sad day)
MESSAGE: Leslie it is most disturbing. Remember, today is the anniversary of the signing of the Camp David accords between Palestinians & Israel. The malls in Killeen & Temple have been closed even. Ft. Hood is on highest alert and bombing practice ensured by 11:00 a.m. this morning in preparation for any "response" that will most undoubtedly be executed. It's unfortunate that cultures that have real no regard or respect for our way of life or life in general. That's why it's so easy for them to perpetrate these hanus activities. Makes me shudder thinking about all our own innocent people involved and thankful fot the pilots that crashed short of their intended targets--Camp David, areas in Pennsylvania. Us admin. people have gotten very little done at the hospital today. Glued to the TV. I'm glad we have each other to convey thoughts & emotions, here in Applianceville. We are a family in so many respects. Bob

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Post# 5040-9/11/2001-17:50 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A New Day Begins )
MESSAGE: Evening to you all

Just taken the dogs for a final walk, feels like an extra eerie calm outside tonight, our day is ending here and I feel embarrased to feel tired when so many people need help...

Not sure what tomorrow will bring but our friendship, warmth & love, bid you all goodnight and await tomorrow, Mike

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Post# 5041-9/11/2001-19:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Flying The Flag)
MESSAGE: I woke up this morning and turned on the usual Today show lineup, but by 7:45 I felt as though I was watching a movie. It was too surreal to believe. Our city, like many others in the country seemed to come to a halt, government offices, businesses closed, shopping malls closed early. Traffic was eerily light all day on the roads, but with STRATCOM at Offutt Air Force Base, the air was buzzing with military aircraft of all sorts. To see the fighters, bombers and stealth aircraft at highest level of alert - in the air 24 hrs. a day in and out of Omaha, has left a blanket of fear and uneasyness over our city and probably the entire country that we've never known before.

Most of the people I interacted with today were functioning in a sort of "stunned stupor" that I found myself in as well. Tonight, it seems the city has taken on a stunned silence as we digest and try to understand the magnitude of the still unfolding events. As soon as we arrived home tonight, we put out our American flag as many others are to show our grief and condolence for the families and loved ones of the victims, but for the support of our nation as well.

A New Day Begins - Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. Greg





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Post# 5042-9/11/2001-20:58 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Thoughts and Prayers ( from Australia)
MESSAGE: We are also a nation in total shock and disbelief that our friends in the USA have suffered such acts of bastardry. This morning I awoke unusually early and went to shower. I never switch on the radio then but something made me tune to our National news radio. At first I thought they were reviewing a horror movie but soon realised the full impact of what had occurred with the four hijacked planes. Our Prime Minister, John Howard was due to address your Congress yesterday and is currently sheltering in the Australian consulate in Washington DC. He has clearly been devasted on this day of "infamy" and gives USA our unconditional support on any actions it may take.

It is beyond my grasp that anyone could have so little regard for humanity to carry out such atrocities.
My thoughts and prayers are with all members and their families and friends in Applianceville.

Greg

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Post# 5043-9/11/2001-21:02 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: I too was really worried about Tom and have had special thoughts for him as well as so many others today. We ask ourselves, how in the world something like this could happen in the greatest country in the world? My heart goes out to all the innocent people that were involved in this tragedy. When something like this happens to so many, it makes us realize how blessed we are. Terry

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Post# 5044-9/11/2001-22:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: I too had no clue as to what was going on. I knew something was wrong when events that happen daily, like clockwork didn't happen today. I quickly turned on the TV and as soon as I knew what happened my heart sank and I quickly dialed the phone to find Tom and John safe at their homes.

I am truly thankful that I have not lost any friends and family in this horrible, evil act. This should be a wake up call for all of us to be thankful for who and what we have. I think everyone has known that we can lose those that are dear to us in the blink of an eye, but the activities of today have really driven that home.

My prayres and thoughts go out to those who have lost on this day.

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Post# 5045-9/11/2001-22:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: Surprisingly enoought, it has hit close to home here in Temple Texas. A friend of mine's daughters teacher--her brother & nephew (his son) were on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. She found out about her brother by watching tv, no prior contact.

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Post# 5046-9/11/2001-23:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: I wanted to share with everyone that Brooklyn Robert (Whirlpoolbklyn) is fine. He works for the Brooklyn PD and needless to say is in the midst of a LONG shift.

He has not lost his sense of humor, however he did mention general concern there that this is not yet over and that care should be taken in any impending travel, once travel starts up again. I pray they will be wrong on that point, even as I try to figure out how I will strike a balance personally between being careful and the part of me that is now white hot with anger at this situation and my stubborn refusal to let these people control my life. I feel a bit guilty about some of the thoughts I have had about what should happen in retaliation to these people, but I guess that's just part of the process.

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Post# 5047-9/11/2001-23:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: My friend Traci's sister lives there, and apparently works not far from the trade center. She called their father from beneath a truck on the street somewhere about a block away where she had been hiding after the first incident, and their contact was broken by the second plane hitting. They lost contact with her for about an hour afterwhich fortunately she was able to call back and convey her safety.

The most frightening part for me was when I heard on the radio that the President was in Nebraska having a meeting in an underground tunnel, and there was all this talk about special planes there designed to be used in nuclear wars, and I thought is this going that far this fast?

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Post# 5048-9/11/2001-00:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: Thanks to all for the reports on those members who are in the New York area, I know there are several.  Has anybody heard from Peteski50?  His profile only says New York, doesn't mention specifically where.

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Post# 5049-9/11/2001-00:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: oh goodness, good thinking. I must call him tomorrow. I think he lives quite a ways away but I'm not sure where he works.

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Post# 5050-9/11/2001-00:19 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 1 World Trade Center
MESSAGE: List of tenants.
LINK: http://forbes.com/2001/09/11/0911towertable1.html

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Post# 5051-9/11/2001-00:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 2 World Trade Center (South Tower)
MESSAGE: List of tenants.
LINK: http://forbes.com/2001/09/11/0911towertable2.html

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Post# 5052-9/12/2001-04:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Survivors
MESSAGE: I spoke with my parents last night. We all moved from NY in 1972, but the roots of our family are still there. I have a third cousin whose husband works in the WTC. Fortunately, he saw the plane hit the other building and decided it was time to get out of there. His sister's husband, however was still unaccounted for. Two other 'extended family members' by marriage, also work in the financial district. My mom said she wasn't sure if they worked in the WTC or not. She hasn't heard anything from their parents.

It was devistating for me to witness. I was in the hospital car and first heard the news on the radio. I was not prepared for the scene on TV when I got to the hospital. Our waiting room was full of people glued to the TV, watching the story unfold. I was quite busy, so I got to work. Every few minutes, I'd pass through the waiting room and glance at the pictures. Then, all at once, Pat (a fellow native New Yorker) called me. There were so many people in the waiting room, by this time, I heard her, but couldn't see her. I started to continue to walk on and she called me again. I stopped and turned around. She said look, the tower is collapsing. I was in shock. I lost it. I walked into the processing room. My knees were shaking. I was crying. There were two other girls in the room. They were both in tears as well.

The rest of the day was busy, but solumn.

The only member I could think of that is near that scene is Brooklyn Robert. I am so thankful he is safe. God be with you, Robert.

Last night, amist all the reporting, the bottom of the screen was announcing all the churches that would be open for prayer vigils. It is ashamed that it takes such devistation to bring people together.

I pray for all the people who lost their lives, for their friends and family members who suffer the loss, for the president and our country, and finally, for the leaders around the world. Things will never be the same, again. I pray that this isn't WW3.

In closing, Rhinnie and I had a tradition. Every summer we would travel to NY for my family reunion. We would always make a day trip to Lower Manhattan to visit Chinatown, the Village, little Italy and either at the beginning or at the end of the day, we'd ride the Statin Island Ferry. I would always say, I have to plan on my Ferry trip. We've been doing this for at least 17 years. I can recall viewing the majestic twin towers as the boat would pull away from its slip. I don't know if I'll ever be able to do that again.

Another reflection, was during the 1964-65 NY World's Fair. It was there I saw the first scale models of the WTC. I saw those two magnificent towers being built. When Rhinnie and I went to the top some 15 years ago, I remember telling him I had an uncle that was part of the crew that worked on the building.

God be with us all.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 5053-9/12/2001-05:33 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Very unerving)
MESSAGE: Glad to see everyone is ok. I hope friends and family are all ok. This is absolutly unerving waundering whats going to happen next.

SD

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Post# 5054-9/12/2001-05:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: lGlenn, Peter is in upstate New York.

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Post# 5055-9/12/2001-05:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Very unerving)
MESSAGE: Yes, If only we could wash the world clean of hatred and violence. That will only happen when something happens to stop people preaching hate in the name of God who is the source of all love. That has to be the ultimate abomination and is not limited to any country or religion. I think today is going to be very rough with the start of casualty lists. This morning, as I walked up to the library around 6, flares lit the darkness as the roadblocks around the Capitol complex were manned by the police. I tried up until I went to sleep to call Peteski, Peter Sternlieb, but could not get through; the circuits were full. Through friends, I was able to determine that another friend who works in the WTC complex was OK. It was amazing to see the fragility of the modern technology. News web sites were quickly overloaded yesterday AM as were many wireless networks. Radio and TV were the dependable sources of information while land line phones were sometimes available for long distance and sometimes not. Thank you all for your concern about me. Office friends were in our 6th floor cafeteria and saw the smoke from the Pentagon fire shortly before we were dismissed. Tom

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Post# 5056-9/12/2001-06:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Flying The Flag)
MESSAGE: While we were waiting to cross the intersection of First & Independence, SE, about 10:30 AM there was a large explosion somewhere close. There were a bunch of VFWs who had planned on meeting with their representatives, a fairly common sight here, but instead of meeting, they were out on the street and remarked on the explosion. Then, after crossing the street, we heard an F-16 fly over. They had been scrambled and were doing air traffic control over the area with the tower at Natioal Airport shut down, but we did not know that and when we heard the noise, everyone looked up to see what was coming next. It was heartbreaking to hear that over 200 NY Firemen were lost when the towers collapsed. Tom

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Post# 5057-9/12/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: Terry, Robert and all, Thank you for your thoughts. The trip home was easy, except for two places where road crews had not been told that the Government buildings were being evacuated so they had a lane closed. We were not sure about the subway because they had talked about closing it as a safety precaution, so a friend gave a couple of us a ride to our cars at the parking lot. This AM that lot, next to the DC Armory, was filled with cars belonging to the National Guard who were called out yesterday to help. The other subway consideration was that rush hour had just ended so they were not prepared to handle the exodus right away. Tom

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Post# 5058-9/12/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: Scott, I don't think that your thoughts of anger could be worse than mine as I envision certain areas in antagonistic countries lit up by US bombs. Anger is a natural reaction and was very widespread after Pearl Harbor, too. Tom

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Post# 5059-9/12/2001-06:25 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine (Peter)
MESSAGE: Peter lives in Westchester County and takes a long train ride of more than 2 hours each way every day into Manhattan to work.

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Post# 5060-9/12/2001-07:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (A special thank-you!!)
MESSAGE: Tom, I was so relieved when I found out you were okay. It's been 28 years since I've been to DC & I couldn't remember the positions of the LOC & Pentagon, so i was worried about you. And also, thank you for your poinant observations. Me, I'm still numb from schock--the anger hasn't set in yet, maybe it's all my medications I'm on right now keeping me propped up, don't know for sure. Bob

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Post# 5061-9/12/2001-08:02 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: incomprehensible...
MESSAGE: during the course of yesterday's events, i found myself struggling to fully realize the horror at the wtc...
i work in midtown atlanta, in colony square, a twin-tower complex...my office is on the 19th floor of building 100...i have floor-to-ceiling windows comprising one wall, with virtually an unobstructed view northward...i found myself imagining a repeat of the nyc tragedy...as a precaution, we were evacuated, as many other atlanta skyscrapers, around noon...
i went home and mowed the lawn, did laundry, ironed, vacuumed...all chores essentially unnecessary, except for the needed diversion and release of energy...
all the remainder of the time, i was glued to the tv...still in disbelief, but conscious enough to be deeply saddened...
today, i return to my office...i find myself repeatedly glancing out the window...
i have many current and potential clients in manhattan...i'm not sure when i will be in contact, as now the "business" all seems so trivial...
my heart and prayers for all...
geodon

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Post# 5062-9/12/2001-09:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Thoughts and Prayers (Sowing the wind)
MESSAGE: Yes, but I am also reminded of RAF General "Bomber" Harris' comment during WWII. "They have sown the wind, now they shall reap the whirlwind". They say this is an act of war. But, war on who? Where? How? I like to think of myself as a pacifist, but this has me very angry. As Tojo and company found out in WWII, it is not a good idea to wake a sleeping giant.

My last surviving aunt on my mother's side of the family lives in uptown Manhattan, has for years. I waited until this morning to call her, but got her answering machine. I'm hoping that because she lives so far away from lower Manhattan, and also is retired and in her 70's, that she was far from the scene and is OK. But I'm sure she has been shaken severely by this tragedy. I also know people I have met in my profession who survived the earlier WTC car bomb attack of about 7 years ago, I worry that they were still working there yesterday. With the scope of the probably casualties, it is likely that everyone in the country, and especially in New York, will have lost a friend or relative or know someone with such loss. This tragedy is immense. It is likely to be the worst civilian disaster in US history.



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Post# 5063-9/12/2001-10:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert is fine
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom....I, too was very relieved to hear fairly early on when I returned from work that you were ok. I had found out about what happened in NY before I went to Target in the morning, but didn't know about the Pentagon situation until midafternoon after I was done.

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Post# 5064-9/12/2001-10:19 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: incomprehensible...
MESSAGE: Morning Applianceville. I spent the rest of the day yesterday talking to Family and Friends in both New York and Washington and thankfully no one that I knew was hurt in yesterdays tragedy. As for my Dad and his wife, who are both recently retired, they are not so lucky as they both know scores of people who worked in the World Trade Center.

It was very hard to watch the World Trade Center fall down yesterday. I saw both towers collapse live on TV yesterday morning as I left my office to travel into the skyways where there are TV monitor all over blaring the horrific news, it was a very painful site indeed. When I was a kid I was I watched those towers be built, it was always so very exciting to travel on the NJ Turnpike or the Garden State Parkway where you could see those buildings rise as the gurters at the top turn into to white walls. I was so excited a few months after the towers opened, for my birthday, my parents took us to the top to see the view. It was there that I took my very first pictures with my shiny new 110 film camera and I took out those pictures last night. I still cannot believe that those buildings are gone, but that’s really is irrelevant compared to all the suffering of the victims and their loved ones.

I'm sitting here now at work looking out of my 21st floor view thinking something like this could happen to anyone, anywhere, it makes one stop and really think, about a lot of different things. We must move on now, but we never can forget what happened yesterday, for most of us Baby Boomers, it will hopefully be the most horrible national news day of our lives.


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Post# 5065-9/12/2001-10:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: incomprehensible...
MESSAGE: And I, on the 24th floor, working for a major international company, in a city with the 2nd busiest airport in the world, and a major air reserve base about 10 miles away, wondered if a plane would drop out of the clouds and take this building out. Those with cubes that face the windows are being very vigilant about watching what goes on out there.

Fear and anger are very real right now, but I sure don't feel like a victim. It is sad that a tragedy will make us all stronger. And those Palestinian children dancing in the streets all need a good, severe spanking...

-ph

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Post# 5066-9/12/2001-11:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Peteski is fine
MESSAGE: I just got off the phone with Peter and he is home safe and sound, thank goodness. He says hello to everyone and sends thoughts and prayers in the face of this situation, and told me that he has not been able to get online because of various computer issues and so forth, but looks forward to being in touch soon.

I learned that he works only a few blocks from the trade center, and had planned to go in late yesterday, then saw the situation unfold on tv while getting ready for work. Not initially realizing the gravity, he did go to the train station but by then of course no trains were running. So thankfully he never left his home area yesterday.

Tom, Peter really appreciated your trying to reach him yesterday, and said he will call you later.

Scott

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Post# 5067-9/12/2001-11:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: incomprehensible...
MESSAGE: Robert, I thought about you yesterday with roots & ties in both NYC & Washington. I knew in some way it would "hit close to home" for someone in your family.

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Post# 5068-9/12/2001-11:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: incomprehensible...
MESSAGE: Prior to the spanking, can we start with some good slapping? I'll volunteer a few steel braces for the cause. That way they can brace themselves for the severe spanking to follow.

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Post# 5069-9/12/2001-11:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Jason (HQTPIE), I think you need this...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1464819579

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Post# 5070-9/12/2001-12:00 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: OMG!!! I really WANT the stove!! I guess I could buy the frige too, but I want that stove!! It's only 45 mins away. Oh my......I owuld have to repaint the DW to match the stove and frige oh and the trashmasher.

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Post# 5071-9/12/2001-12:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Jason YES!!! And after all is said & done, you would be tickled pink to have everything match!!!! Imagine a pink powerclean dishwasher.

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Post# 5072-9/12/2001-12:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: I first I thought you were being facitious, but then I found the stove...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1464827393

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Post# 5073-9/12/2001-12:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa (stove and maybe more?)
MESSAGE: Maybe they have a pink Hydrosweep dishwasher too, but since it's built-in, they aren't offering it... And maybe they haven't the energy to move the pink Control Tower w/d set out to the garage and offer it either...

Take your toolbox with you...

-ph

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Post# 5074-9/12/2001-12:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Peteski is fine
MESSAGE: Scott, Thank you so much for the news. I knew he worked near there because he told me that he uses that subway station. thanks again.

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Post# 5075-9/12/2001-12:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. I hate to sound like Suzanne Sugarbaker, but where is the link to the other auction he mentions featuring the pink stove? Tom

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Post# 5076-9/12/2001-12:32 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Hi Suzanne, if you look on the auction page there is a link that says 'view sellers other auctions' or something like that. Click on that and it will bring you to a new page that has the auctions listed.

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Post# 5077-9/12/2001-12:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Tom, you have to click on the "seller's other auction items" link. It's the very last item in the listing. Nice looking stove.

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Post# 5078-9/12/2001-12:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Well, Thank you for the link to the stove. It is almost BOL, no light or clock. I think you could do better, Jason. And remember that refrigerator is about 3 years BEFORE Frost Free.

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Post# 5079-9/12/2001-12:51 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Before Frost Free?? How primitive! I could never have that, I may break a nail chipping the ice away.

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Post# 5080-9/12/2001-12:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa (Those push buttons)
MESSAGE: Like I said, GE was all about the buttons back in the day.

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Post# 5081-9/12/2001-13:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink refrigerator in Tampa
MESSAGE: Jason, back in the primitive days of college when I had non-defrosting freezers, I'd just simply put in a few pans of hot water and let the ice dislodge. These were all Hotpoint fridge and they had a "chiller" tray under the main freezer, so that caught the drips and some of the lower ice chunks. Made defrosting so much easier and no chance for nail chipping. I mean, why disturb the hot pink manicure from the week's beauty parlor visit.

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Post# 5082-9/12/2001-14:26 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Neptune Filtration Bristles?
MESSAGE: Hi all:
Just wondering, do Maytag Neptunes and for that matter, any frontloaders have a lint-filtration system? I know the point of the f/l's is to be gentle and probably not produce much, if any lint. But do these use some type of lint filtration? I've noticed that my Neptune has some sort of gray plastic bristles that form a 1/3 (or less) arc around the lower tub opening. What is this and what is its function? Could it be some type of lint filtration??? Thanks;
Lenny

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Post# 5083-9/12/2001-16:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Convention at the Sacred Burial Ground
MESSAGE: This just in...

3. New Holiday Inn Planned for Aberdeen, S.D.
Hotel Online, September 11, 2001
New lodgings are on the horizon for Aberdeen. A Holiday Inn Express and Suites is being built next to Target across from Lakewood Mall.

LaMont Companies Inc. is in the process of building the new hotel.

According to developer Jeff LaMont, work started a year ago and is expected to be completed mid-February to early March.

The three-floor hotel will encompass approximately 50,000 square feet and will contain 68 rooms, including 21 suites. There will also be conference rooms, a fitness room and a continental breakfast bar.

The highlight of the hotel will be its indoor water park complete with a 150-foot water slide. There will be a balcony overlooking the water park, and a connected deck behind the hotel.

It will be more of a business traveler hotel, Lamont said, adding he hopes the water park will also attract families on weekends. Meeting rooms will also be available on weekends for birthday parties and other events.

LaMont said he is excited to be opening the new hotel. "It'll be good for the community," he said. "It'll be a nice economic boost that will bring more jobs in." He expects the hotel to provide 15 to 20 jobs. Applications for employment will be taken beginning in October or November.


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Post# 5084-9/12/2001-16:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Neptune Filtration Bristles?
MESSAGE: Lenny,

Like many modern washers, the Neptunes have what they call a "self-cleaning lint filter". So the lint winds up getting flushed down the drain, but it is filtered out during the washing. Not sure how the 3rd gen or "New Century" 5500b/7500 models do this, since they don't have a recirculation pump...

I believe the bristles between the tub and the gasket are there to prevent coins etc from getting in between the tubs. Occasionally I will find a rug thread or some other large lint object caught in the bristles. So periodically I check it and remove anything I find.


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Post# 5085-9/12/2001-16:33 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: WTC update
MESSAGE: ABC news just announced there is a website listing names of known survivors of the WTC collapse.

Also, I was able to get in touch with my 70+ year old aunt in Manhattan. She is fine, but worried about the change in wind that will start blowing the dust her way. She did, in her characteristic fashion, dismiss those who are bemoaning the disaster with words such as "Why us?". She said, what do they expect, this has been coming for a long time; this is how life has been for years on Israel, South Africa, and Europe, so get used to it. So as you can see, she's alive and kicking ;-).

LINK: www.ny.com/wtclist.html

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Post# 5086-9/12/2001-16:43 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: WTC update (Survivors)
MESSAGE: Also, according to my aunt, a former Blue Cross employee says that of the 300 Blue Cross employees in the WTC, 70 are unaccounted for.


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Post# 5087-9/12/2001-19:08 ||| Mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: New Collector
MESSAGE: As a new member to this board and big fan of vintage appliances, I focus on Kenmore/Whirlpool washers of the 60's and 70's. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas where I could purchase an already restored appliance.

By the way, the Lady Kenmore videos are awesome. Please post some more...

MRB

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Post# 5088-9/12/2001-19:26 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! Where do you live? Surly someone on here may have a connection to an already restored WP or Lady K.


SD

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Post# 5089-9/12/2001-19:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector
MESSAGE: Welcome to our home MRB. I believe I've seen you on appliances forum of thathomesite.com I dunno about purchasing one that's been restored, but it might be attainable still. The Atlanta contingency is growing again. Bob (aka boba) on the other forum.

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Post# 5090-9/12/2001-19:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (old Kenmore)
MESSAGE: My mom's original washer was a 68? Kenmore 800. I grew up around old belt-driven Kenmores and Whirlpools so I share the same interest.

Uni, if you have time, can we get one of the Lady K filling? I miss the sound of the old style fill flume. The "waterfall" thing just doesn't do anything for me.

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Post# 5091-9/12/2001-19:48 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Appliance Graveyards
MESSAGE: Does anyone know of an appliance graveyard within a few states of me? The appliance recycler in Buffalo, NY will not sell to an individual. I'd like to find another Frigidaire washer and/or dryer to keep me amused over the soon-to-be-here winter. Thanks!

New Member Rich from Pittsburgh, PA

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Post# 5092-9/12/2001-19:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (old Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Me neither Jason. It was so nice to hear that old, familiar fill sound when I ran a load through the LK and later on someone else did at the same time the early 50s Whilpool was running. I'm still sorry you had to miss our initial get-together. Hopefully we'll have one either next year or the yer after.

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Post# 5093-9/12/2001-20:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards
MESSAGE: Welcome Rich. My, we are becominh awash in guys named Rich. Post the question about how many cans of mechanism oil you'll need to finish rebuilding your unimatic transmission. Our Unimatic will promptly respond when he sees the post, or turbomatic, or one of our other Frigidaire experts. I'm envyous of all your Frigidaire vintage machines.

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Post# 5094-9/12/2001-20:13 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (ATL)
MESSAGE: I am in the Atlanta Area. Closer to the mall of GA than the city.

I too miss the Whirlpool/Kenmore Belt Drive Sounds. I didn't know how much until I downloaded the LK Rinse Video.

Very Sweet. How about getting the whole cycle.

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Post# 5095-9/12/2001-20:15 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (thathomesite)
MESSAGE: Yes, I have frequented that site as well. I became interested in the HE3T. At first, anyway. Now, I want one of each!!!

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Post# 5096-9/12/2001-20:22 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (All of the above)
MESSAGE: My mother had a 1970-ish kenmore. Cold water only. One Water level. Two cycles Normal and Gentle. Gold Straight Vane Agitator. ( I completely disassembled it in less than three hours at the age of 12. Dad couldn't put it back together and we had to replace it )

The neighbors down the street had an avacado frigidaire jetcone. ( with that backlit console and that timer noise with each advancement {you know what I mean} )

The people across the street had an old Norge. With that Black Agitator.

My Aunt in Texas had a Speed Queen. With that chrome crown on the agitator.

Yet another neighbor had the maytag. With the timer in the center of the console.


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Post# 5097-9/12/2001-20:52 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Thankful that all are safe!!
MESSAGE: I too am so very thankful that all of our family is safe and accounted for. Just wish with all my heart that others had been as lucky. It is still hard to believe how people can commit acts like this and hate that much.

A warm welcome to our new members. You are going to enjoy this group very much. Take care all and thanks for being here through all this. Terry

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Post# 5098-9/12/2001-21:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas aunt with Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Greetings and Welcome, mrb627!

In what part of Texas did your aunt live?  I have an aunt who had a Speed Queen, a late 1960's or very early 1970's model I think, solid tub, chrome agitator cap, fabric softener dispenser (which they never used), incandescent light behind the timer.  It was my first Speed Queen and I always got a thrill out of visiting there, especially when she let me wash!

They replaced the Speed Queen sometime in the early 1980's with a Whirlpool, and I recall my uncle remarking that it drained before spin, which was something new in his experience.

They didn't have the Whirlpool for long, less than 6 years.  I don't know why.  I recall he had to change the belt once, and that's quite a chore for a novice, so maybe they got turned off on that machine.

They've had a Maytag for several years now.

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Post# 5099-9/12/2001-21:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas aunt with Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Glenn, you asked the Texas question I was dying to ask.

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Post# 5100-9/12/2001-21:21 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas aunt with Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Most happy to oblige you, Bob!

(Now let's see if we get an answer -- :-)  )

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Post# 5101-9/12/2001-21:34 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas)
MESSAGE: She is in a very small town in central texas called Rising Star.

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Post# 5102-9/12/2001-21:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas)
MESSAGE: What larger city is that near in "central texas". I'm in "central texas" between austin & waco.

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Post# 5103-9/12/2001-21:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas)
MESSAGE: MRB, your aunt has the asme area code as I do and the first two digits of the zip code are like mine. She's a bit more north/northwest of me. I looked up medical centers on yahoo & one in Brownwood was mentioned. That's about an hour or so drive from here.

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Post# 5104-9/12/2001-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Welcome New Members)
MESSAGE: Hello Rich and MRB our newest members. MRP I would love to be able to put a whole cycle on the internet, but at this point in the technology, that would bring the server to its knees. Computer technology isn't ready for 35 minutes of footage yet.

Rich, the only Graveyard I know of is in Aberdeen, SD, they are very rare now.

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Post# 5105-9/12/2001-22:31 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone;
Just want to let you all know that I'm OK! I'm very tired from working very long (12 hour tours), lack of sleep, and alot of stress, but we are tuffy's here in Brooklyn (some people here have better "ammo" then the police department) (LOL)! We like good fight and don't frighten easy! Sorry for not posting sooner just wanted to let you know that I'm OK.
My RCA Whirlpool great too! (LOL) Be Well!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 5106-9/12/2001-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: Robert, I'm thrilled you are okay. I shudder at the loss of all life, but my heart particularly goes out to the firmen & police who died trying to help. I thought about you on Tuesday, hoping you were okay. Bob

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Post# 5107-9/12/2001-22:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: welcome new members
MESSAGE: Welcome to a number of new members that have joined us this evening! We're glad to have you here. Enjoy, Scott

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Post# 5108-9/12/2001-23:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Texas)
MESSAGE: Link to website of Rising Star, Texas!
LINK: http://www.risingstartexas.com

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Post# 5109-9/12/2001-23:04 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: I'm fine, just tired. I usualy work from 9pm to 5am, now I'm working from 9pm until 9am. My assigmnet is keeping track of the members of New York City Police Departemnt who are injured or still missing, very depressing assignment. I'm glad your OK also!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 5110-9/12/2001-23:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: The whole thing is horrifying.  I've not even been wanting to watch the news, but I've seen a few video clips on-line, and it's just awful.  I can't imagine being there in the midst of it all.  The ache and sorrow for those who have lost their lives is almost unbearable.

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Post# 5111-9/12/2001-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Unimatic Oil)
MESSAGE: 1 1/2 Pints from the Unimatic mechanism wall chart above my desk!

Welcome Rich! Another Frigidaire fan - can't wait to see photos of your collection. What color is your WCIR-58? Congrats on your recent eBay aquisitions, that pink dryer must certainly be beautiful.

Enjoy the club and the links sections will be especially fun for you to see the photos.

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Post# 5112-9/12/2001-23:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: Robert,

Please keep in mind that you have an entire group of friends here whose thoughts and prayers are with you and all working to sift through the disaster so diligently as the hours tick by.

Glad you are well, Greg

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Post# 5113-9/12/2001-00:04 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: Thank's! That's really great to know!

I'm also getting a little backed up on my laundry, I 'm so glad I have "a few washers" (lol). Thank you for your thoughts and kind words!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 5114-9/12/2001-00:18 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: I have a question about the picture of the day. I was never a big Speed Queen fan but can someone tell me what that box is on the top washer, near the lid, in the center, in front of the console, is that a light or a dispenser?

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Post# 5115-9/13/2001-05:07 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Playing downloaded video files
MESSAGE: Unimatic,
I have no trouble downloading videos from your albums and playing them back. In fact I loved the Frigidaire and the Kenmore - my mother had a Whirlpool that was very similar to the Kenmore and the sound brought back all of the memories). However I have downloaded a couple from your new vintage video tab and saved them but can't seem to get them to play. What software do you suggest I use to play them?

Many thanks,

Greg

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Post# 5116-9/13/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Unimatic Transmission Oil)
MESSAGE: Yes, you use 25oz (1 full can) of Frigidaire Automatic Washer Oil. BUT I have found that using 25oz of Air Compressor oil works just as well, actually it makes for quieter mechanisms.

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Post# 5117-9/13/2001-06:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day (Soap Dispener)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, nice to see you. Yes, that is a soap dispenser. The incoming water is passed through this box and into the fill flume.

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Post# 5118-9/13/2001-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Playing downloaded video files (Windows Media Player 7.0)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, these video files are in the new WMV format, they make for relatively crips, large pictures, clear sound and a much smaller file size than MPEG files. You should view these in your Windows Media Player, I believe you need Windows Media Player 7 or later. Version 7.1 is now available for free at the following link:

More video's to come soon, I've been plastered to the TV set with all this news, which is extremely rare for me. The laundry is backing-up and I Dishwasher hasn't even been loaded!
LINK: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/default.asp

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Post# 5119-9/13/2001-07:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Unimatic Transmission Oil)
MESSAGE: Is the viscosity the same? Just wondering what the difference between the two oils to make quieter running.

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Post# 5120-9/13/2001-07:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Whirly's Revenge
MESSAGE: Well, actually, it's just a movie of Whirly going through part of a cycle. I used my Studio DV software to make a movie of the washer doing a fill, wash (high), wash (low), spin-drain, spin (shaking the trailer... as you will see on the film), and the beginning of the rinse fill.

I'm dumping it to an AVI file right now (which is SLOWWWW) and I will have it in .wmv format this afternoon.

Yes, Whirly was upset when he found out I erased his video and he refused to wash, but he's easy to handle. I just say "Fisher & Paykel" and he obeys ;-D .

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Post# 5121-9/13/2001-08:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector
MESSAGE: Welcome aboard. You have lots of collecting company in the Atlanta area. Tom

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Post# 5122-9/13/2001-08:15 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Alive and Well!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Glad to hear you`re safe and hope the work eases soon for you all...

Take care, Mike



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Post# 5123-9/13/2001-08:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards
MESSAGE: Welcome Trainguy. Do you like steam locomotives, full size trains or model trains? I think steam locomotives come the closest to being alive of any piece of machinery I have seen. Tom

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Post# 5124-9/13/2001-08:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: welcome new members
MESSAGE: I would also like to say "Hello and Welcome" from the UK to all our recent new members...

And to say "make sure you book early for the next convention!!! its an event not to miss!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 5125-9/13/2001-08:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: welcome new members (Next Convention)
MESSAGE: When will the next convention be? And where? I can fly (well...) to Minnie non-stop for $158 I think. We WERE having airfare wars but that's likely to change over the next few months.

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Post# 5126-9/13/2001-08:52 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Oil Contamination)
MESSAGE: I don't know if the viscosity is exactly the same, but they are close.

The Frigidaire oil was slightly darker, but I have to wonder if that is contamination of the oil due to it sitting in a metal can for some 30+ years. In the seven or eight Unimatic Tranny's I've restored, only one of them I used on old can of Frigidaire Mech oil and I wasn't as pleased with the results.



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Post# 5127-9/13/2001-08:54 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: welcome new members (Next Convention)
MESSAGE: Probably late next summer, and it will probably be in Washington DC or Boston.

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Post# 5128-9/13/2001-08:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (New Orleans)
MESSAGE: Any washer heads in New orleans besides me? I have seen a 50's Maytag on ebay a long time ago and it was located in NO. The guy wanted $1000 for the washer/dryer set. It was all push buttons. I know there's lots of old people here still owning their old Kenmore/Whirlpools and maybe a Frigidaire or two.

I live in a trailer so I'm VERY limited to collecting.



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Post# 5129-9/13/2001-09:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: welcome new members (Ouch)
MESSAGE: Wow, so really missed out on seeing Uni's basement. :-(

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Post# 5130-9/13/2001-09:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector
MESSAGE: Welcome, MRB!

I'm in Marietta. Drop me a line and let me know where you are. I have a '63 LK pair in need of restoration, unless the Augusta or Tampa contingent want to lay claim to them.

-ph

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Post# 5131-9/13/2001-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards
MESSAGE: Welcome, Rich!

Yes, you need to find a pink '64 CI to match that sweet dryer you just got!

-ph

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Post# 5132-9/13/2001-10:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: Let me ask you people a newbie question.

How difficult is it to restore an old washer? I'm asking this because somebody I know says they'll give me an old Kenmore. They don't know the year but the faceplate is silver and the knobs are silver as well (60s) and it has a light. The washer itself is in ok condition. It needs to be cleaned and it I'm sure it needs belt/transmission/motor work. Is it hard to take these things apart and put it back together? I know I can get parts like the wigwag, etc. from the internet but what else what I need? How would I know if I had to rebuild the trans? Or should I do that anyway? Change the oil and the seal?

Or better yet, should I leave it alone and try to find one that works?

Thanks for any help you can give to a novice.

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Post# 5133-9/13/2001-10:42 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Are You Ready For This??!?)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom,

You asked what trains I like. I like the model trains, but I collect (are you ready?) boxes! Yes, the empty set boxes that the trains came in. I have been buying and selling boxes for over 25 years now. I know what you are thinking, but there actually seems to be almost as many box collectors as train collectors! Go figure that one out. But now that rare boxes are selling in the $1,000's I thought it time to vary my interests a little. I always loved that old Frigidaire washer of mine. I was so happy to find its mate. They look great together. I am surely going to enjoy hunting, finding and renewing more Frigidaires.

Rich

Rich

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Post# 5134-9/13/2001-10:53 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Devoted Frigidaire Fan)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the answer about the mechanism oil. I appreciate your comment about my purchases. My WCIR-58 and dryer, however, are only white. I will enjoy my hunt for the other dryer's pink mate. Frigidaire surly made neat things. Who would have ever thought about a sprinkler in a dryer! I was very lucky to find it. The ONLY mark on it is a small scratch from a belt buckle on the front. I hope I can find the matching washer in the same condition. I'll send a pic as soon as I figure out how to use my camera with my computer. I bought a whole new Gateway system during tax forgiveness week in February. I'm not smart enough to figure it out myself.

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Post# 5135-9/13/2001-11:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: It really is not that hard providing you have the tools needed or have a good mind and make something else work. Both Robert and I have extensive pictures from rebuilding Whirlpool/Kenmore machines. It really is not unheard of to get one totally finished in one day. By that I mean new bearings, rebuilding the tranny, replacing the pump, belt, hoses, spin tube assy, and any other little thing that needs to be done. If you want to do a total resoration, including paint it takes about 3-4 days because you must let the paint cure before you move the machine.

Expect some blood and scratches.

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Post# 5136-9/13/2001-11:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: welcome new members (Ouch)
MESSAGE: Oh, I imagine you could arrange a visit -- Uni is quite a generous and accomodating host.

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Post# 5137-9/13/2001-12:38 ||| Boboh1 (San Dimas, CA.)
SUBJECT: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: I am looking for a restored washer and dryer from the late 1950's to early 1960's in a color other then white. Does anyone know a place that deals in these? Thanks.

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Post# 5138-9/13/2001-12:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (blood and scratches)
MESSAGE: Well thanks for the advice. I used to have a 64 VW Bug that I loved to pull the engine out and work on it so I write off the blood and pain as just part of the job, especially if I wind up with a beautiful washer.

I guess I can pick it up and get it functional then if I love it enough, I'll take it all apart and give it a major cleaning and paint job. What kind of paint do you use on porcelain?

Another question: How much money would I have to sink into the machine if I wanted to restore it? It would be a good investment because once I restore it, this washing machine will be used on a regular basis.

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Post# 5139-9/13/2001-13:16 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (blood and scratches)
MESSAGE: You really should not paint porcelain. But I suppose you could use some sort of epoxy paint. Tom??

How much you sink in to the machine depends on what you replace. I have spent close to 500 on one of my Kenmores, and as little as 50 on another.

The 500 dollar machine had a new:

top, lid, outer tub, wash basket, pump, motor, belt, wig wag, bearings, superstructure assy, all hoses, seals, tub ring, dispenser assy, dispenser control valve, water valve, water level switch, cord, feet, suspension rod balls, rebuilt tranny, and some other stuff that I am forgetting.

You can go to Home Depot and buy the Appliance Epoxy paint in white or almond. Or if it is funky color take a part of the machine with you and have them do a color match and mix up some exterior oil base paint. I've got pictures of a few machines that I have repainted somewhere. I'll post them sometime today.

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Post# 5140-9/13/2001-13:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Graveyards (Are You Ready For This??!?)
MESSAGE: Rich, being a librarian, I am very familiar with paper collectors and see catalogs from time to time with such offerings. More power to you. It must be easier to store boxes than appliances. Tom

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Post# 5141-9/13/2001-13:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (paint)
MESSAGE: Click the link and look for the 85 Lady K set, 64 Lady K, the 67 Mark XII, and Mabel Maytag. Oh, I had to repaint the Catalyst washer too.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/hobbies.html

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Post# 5142-9/13/2001-13:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: Yes, some as yet undiscovered corner of appliance heaven.

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Post# 5143-9/13/2001-13:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (blood and scratches)
MESSAGE: You have to etch the porcelain first with acid so that the paint will bond. The black undercounter GE combo in John's kitchen was originally brown porcelain. He used black 2 part epoxy paint from Duron and a spray gun. Tom

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Post# 5144-9/13/2001-13:35 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (blood and scratches)
MESSAGE: I knew that.....must have been mental pause or a blonde moment.

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Post# 5145-9/13/2001-13:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: Excuse me!!! Excuse me!!! For those of us who love vintage appliances and would love to purchase a fully restored one, I humbly argue that those of us who are physically challenged should be allowed first in line for said opportunity!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 5146-9/13/2001-13:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: Otherwise, I guess I'll have to purchase airline tickets to Minnie, Omaha, Maryland, Boston, & Georgia to get my Frigidaire addictions calmed.

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Post# 5147-9/13/2001-17:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (New Orleans)
MESSAGE: I remember this from eBay a while back. Ridiculous price for the machine, especially when it wasn't even pink! This is one Maytag set I would love to have (in pink or turquoise) as I love the style of it. I have a 67 set with the all-pushbutton controls, which are not all they are cracked up to be, but I love the style nonetheless.

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Post# 5148-9/13/2001-17:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: The other night while working on getting the spin bearings out of the '54 Speed Queen (I'll post pics) and scraped my hands quite a bit and the dropped the removed bearings on my foot the next morning! All the pain will be worth it in the end....

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Post# 5149-9/13/2001-17:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: There are several companies around the country that deal in restored appliances, but most of those deal in stoves and some refrigeration products. The colors are harder to come by, and for most of us that are collecting, it's hard to part with a machine that we've put countless hours of hunting, scrounging parts and work into. You never know where lightening will strike though! Are you able to do the restoration work? There is a huge bank of knowlege in the members here that will be more than happy to help you.

Do you have a particular brand(s) in mind?

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Post# 5150-9/13/2001-17:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: I had a call the other day on a white Maytag A700 washer (I had this '62 model in turquoise) but there was no dryer and no color, so I turned it down. It was a fun to get a call anyway!

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Post# 5151-9/13/2001-17:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: OK, so Whirly doesn't get his revenge and take out the whole trailer park. But he does what he does best... washing. Here's a new video of Whirly with the one-piece agitator at both speeds and a spin-drain (note the pen cap).

This video was done in a lower bitrate due to the file size so the framerate is ok but not perfect.

Enjoy :-D
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 5152-9/13/2001-18:03 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Sorry to be so late with it, but here are the rest of my pictures and video clips from the convention.  I probably should have split this set into two pages since there are so many, but at least it's done and viewable.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/satsunmon.htm

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Post# 5153-9/13/2001-18:09 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: VDCVC!  (very damn cool video clip!)

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Post# 5154-9/13/2001-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Reading your earlier remarks about shakin' the trailer, I thought you were exaggerating - but you weren't! What a trip, I've never seen a DD do that before - is that due to the machine or the floor? Thanks for the video work - excellent editing and the music was a fun change too!

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Post# 5155-9/13/2001-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Who's making the ramp up noise on the Unimatic spin clip? Too fun - you are a very good photographer and have a good eye. Where do I sign up for lessons?

Thanks for your hard work, it was fun to have them to look at, we needed some reminders of fun memories!

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Post# 5156-9/13/2001-20:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Oops my prev. message was in reply to #5152

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Post# 5157-9/13/2001-20:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (Shakin' the trailer)
MESSAGE: Well, I live in a small trailer house with a plywood floor. The Whirly's as level as I can get it and the self-leveling legs work fine. I think it's because the floor isn't as rigid as hardwood or cement, it gives it more room to vibrate. Any vibration of the tub is amplified through the washer's feet and to the floor. Sometimes when it accelerates, my computer monitor sways back and forth and you can feel the floor moving. My trailer is sitting on cement blocks but it is on a slab. That massive shaking you saw was floor moving under the tripod.

I guess I could build a deck using 2x4s which will screw into the bottom supports for the house and set Whirly on top of that.

This is a common problem as my next door neighbor has a newer D/D Whirly (I just had to look) and it does the same thing.

I kinda wonder what a 1000rpm Frigmore or F&P will do in my house. Actually it might not really shake too bad as the really hard shakes come when the Whirly's accelerating.

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Post# 5158-9/13/2001-20:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Terrific pics Glenn. Now, our photo albums have all be posted. We now have the memories to download & click on.

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Post# 5159-9/13/2001-21:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't know who that was.

Will the sound-effects artist please step forward . . .?

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Post# 5160-9/13/2001-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Could it have been me? Someone remarked I did a remarkable imitation of a Unimatic spin ramping up.

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Post# 5161-9/14/2001-03:31 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Very nice pictures. Now I'm able to match a face with your posting.

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Post# 5162-9/14/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (poetry in motion)
MESSAGE: Greg, that sounds like what I do. Sorry it happened to you. Tom

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Post# 5163-9/14/2001-06:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Glenn, great pictures. Seems you caught me as I live, with my mouth always going. One thing I forgot to mention while we were watching the forbidden cycle that I will say now. Did you notice in the picture how the one corner of the cover had much more direct streams of water going up to the top while the rest of the cover shows the spray more diffused? That was the corner where I put the large plates. They channel the water right up to the top of the tank. Old toploading GE's, and I mean the ones with the pop up porcelain lid, used to instruct the loader to place plates in the corners and if you had only 4 plates to place one in each corner to make the washing more uniform. Of course, when you needed the corner for a bowl or pan, you forgot that. Later they claimed they had a "wash regulator" that took care of balancing the flow. As I remember, everything in the top rack got clean, but I guess if you had something really dirty, it would be best to put it above the large plates. Thanks again for the great pictures, Glenn. Tom

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Post# 5164-9/14/2001-06:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (Shakin' the trailer)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire 1-18s in a mobile home, especially if they are at one end, will set up a bouncing in the whole structure. Because of this lack of rock solid construction, Kenmore gas combinations were not approved for use in mobile homes. Too much shakin' and gas connections don't mix. Tom

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Post# 5165-9/14/2001-06:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (shakin' pt. 2)
MESSAGE: In the video, you saw a washing machine that looked like it was possesed, moving and shaking horrendously. The washer vibrated but what the camera itself was bouncing while sitting on the tripod. For one thing, the tripod is very cheap and plastic so it's not hard to make it wiggle.

The vibration is common with trailer houses with plywood floors. No real support so any vibration in the washer is amplified.

My mom & dad had a trailer with a direct drive Whirly and it did the SAME thing.

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Post# 5166-9/14/2001-07:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (Frigidaire in a trailer)
MESSAGE: The agitation cause the bouncing? :-(

I was hoping to get a 1-18 too (unless I get that old Kenmore).

My trailer has a gas stove and heater (like I even need it in New Orleans), but the dryer is electric. I guess that's the reason because of the vibration.


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Post# 5167-9/14/2001-07:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (Lady K)
MESSAGE: DUDE! Do you have close-ups and inside shots of the Lady K and the Whirly dryer? Those are awesome!

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Post# 5168-9/14/2001-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: My grandmother had a t/l GE dishwasher like you are talking about. As I remember from loading it many times(she didn't use it unless I insisted) the bottom rack was was formed in such a way that if you put a large dinner plate on the sides instead of the corners, there was a good chance they would move during the cycle. I still remember the sounds of the water blasting around inside that tank and the wonderful smell of the machine when you opened the cover after the cycle.

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Post# 5169-9/14/2001-08:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: Greg, I gotta hand it to ya, you'll still manage to scrape by with the repairs, bearing the pain well for the end results. The machine may be a Speed Queen, but that doesn't mean you have to be one in repairing it.

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Post# 5170-9/14/2001-09:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Thanks for the video Jason. It looked like the washer was only about 1/2 full of clothes. How is the turnover with a standard full (not stuffed, but loosely filled to the top) wash load?

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Post# 5171-9/14/2001-09:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Thanks so much Glenn, the picts are great!!! All those nice and fun memories are nice thoughts for this week.

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Post# 5172-9/14/2001-10:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (Frigidaire in a trailer)
MESSAGE: Yes, the 1-18's agitation produces strong vibrations through to the floor to make the trailer bounce up and down. It was the fact that the Kenmore combo produced its own vibrations far beyond what a dryer would and when they could not be isolated, they might loosen its own gas connections. That's what caused them to be banned.

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Post# 5173-9/14/2001-10:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Greg, you are right that there was not enough room to guarantee stability for plates exxcept in the corners, but to say that plate should be spread out was new to me. Once I get my pooter and scanner going, I will have to share the booklet. TT

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Post# 5174-9/14/2001-11:38 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Here are some picts......I'll have to look for more
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jasond21/lst?.dir=/Washer&.src=bc&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jasond21/lst%3f%26.dir=/Washer%26.src=bc%26.view=t

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Post# 5175-9/14/2001-11:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Jason,

Thank you for the clip. Until now I don't think I had seen a Whirlpool DD at work.

Louis

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Post# 5176-9/14/2001-11:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online (Turnover)
MESSAGE: The turnover is very slow on the gentle cycle with a really full load. I much rather the belt-drive action

I don't usually wash it full, but yesterday I did and turnover is pretty slow.

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Post# 5177-9/14/2001-12:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Glenn,

Thank you very much for those wonderful pictures!! I enjoyed them so much. You have a very good eye for detail. Keep taking pictures.

Louis

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Post# 5178-9/14/2001-12:56 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star?
MESSAGE: Hi All:
Does anyone here know about the Maytag Atlantis MAV9600? It has EXACTLY the same features and styling as the TOL MAV8600 however Maytag calles it an 'Energy Star' model. The capacity is the same as the other Atlantis models. Could it be a different motor in the 9600? Even the Maytag consultant on the phone could only read off the energy consumption usage of this model but no information on what makes it an "Energy-Star" model! By the way, all models us a deep rinse AND a quick spray rinse. Just some thoughts or ideas?
Lenny

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Post# 5179-9/14/2001-13:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Ya know, with all these pictures taken, we're all gonna have photographic memories of the Convention.

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Post# 5180-9/14/2001-13:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star?
MESSAGE: Lenny, I vaguely remember my Maytag dealer telling me that it was because, like the newest F&P, you can't get a complete Hot fill, up to a point ou get hot water, then it switches to warm or cold automatically, thus using less energy. That's my stab at it.

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Post# 5181-9/14/2001-13:44 ||| boboh1 (San Dimas, CA.)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer
MESSAGE: I have seen many antigue stove places, but no washer/dryer places to check out. I would want them to be restored already. I know it would be difficult to part with one that so much work has been done and time invested,but everyone has their price that they will accept in order to part with such a prize.

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Post# 5182-9/14/2001-14:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restored Auotmatic Washer/Dryer (maybe)
MESSAGE: If I owned a 68 Kenmore 800 washer (the one I grew up with) that was fully restored and was operating as my primary washing machine, hmmm... I don't know. especially after putting in sweat and muscle and even if I drew blood for the machine, I wouldn't think I would part with it.

There are used appliance store everywhere. They more than likely have an oldie or two sitting in storage that might need a little work to make it run. I saw a 60s Kenmore on the way to my parent's house the other day, then it was gone. It either went to the crusher or it got fixed and sold as used.

Good luck! I'm in the same boat, I want an old Kenmore and I might get one soon YAY!

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Post# 5183-9/14/2001-14:31 ||| Foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Miele
MESSAGE: I got this picture from a friend. Looks like a Miele. I don't know the model ;-)
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.dnm=wasmesiene.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 5184-9/14/2001-14:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: He must be related to Robert...

-ph

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Post# 5185-9/14/2001-14:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the pics and videos, Glen. You've done a great job documenting the event!

-ph

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Post# 5186-9/14/2001-14:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: I may be cheap, but...
MESSAGE: I just got a lead on an "old Easy". I was at the parts store and an old timer was there, talking about working on Blackstones and Apex's (Apecies?). He said he had just seen an old Easy, but couldn't remember where it was. In the course of the conversation, he remembered. If there are enough daylight hours after work today, I'll be combing the neighborhood where he said it was. Cross your fingers that it's an automatic and not a wringer. He kept wanting to talk of wringers, and I had to keep pulling him back to automatics! Even if this doesn't pan out, he said he'd contact me if he finds any old machines.

-ph

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Post# 5187-9/14/2001-15:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but...
MESSAGE: ..are you sure it's not a twintub?

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Post# 5188-9/14/2001-15:16 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star?
MESSAGE: Lenny, Tom told you in an earlier post that the energy star rating was given to the machine because the hot wash was reduced to 90 degrees and the high water level was lowered a few inches.

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Post# 5189-9/14/2001-15:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but...
MESSAGE: Scott, you are making me cry... Think "automatic"...

-ph

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Post# 5190-9/14/2001-15:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Nice shoes...

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Post# 5191-9/14/2001-15:34 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star? (MAV9600 No Regrets!)
MESSAGE: Tom & HQOTS:
Thanks for the information on the Atlantis MAV9600. Now I'm glad I did'nt choose 'limiting' model. I want to be in total control of H2O levels and temps. (On top loaders anyway)!

Lenny

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Post# 5192-9/14/2001-15:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: Well isn't that pun!

Speed was definitely not a factor in getting this one done, the summer has just flown by and there are always a thousand other things to do when the weather is nice and a seven year old is bored!



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Post# 5193-9/14/2001-15:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Pictures Part 2
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly the tines were maybe smaller and/or shorter in height on the sides than the corner tines.

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Post# 5194-9/14/2001-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Funny, even as much as I love washers, my eyes were drawn elsewhere......was there a washer in the pic?

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Post# 5195-9/14/2001-15:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but...
MESSAGE: The "old timers" are the ones to talk to about the vintage machines - they remember working on them and can be a great source of help if needed.

The Easy is spinner washer. That's my vote. If he kept talking about wringers, the outlook isn't great for finding an automatic. The spinner washer would be fun to play with for a while - save up a 10-14 days of laundry, call in sick on a Monday and stay home to wash. Put some lines up in the backyard (or garage if it's raining) for the full effect. There was a good reason it was called "Blue Monday."

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Post# 5196-9/14/2001-16:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star? (MAV9600 No Regrets!)
MESSAGE: No problem Lenny. I wouldn't want the energy star version either. How is the washer doing and how is the water extraction?

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Post# 5197-9/14/2001-16:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: The only way Monday is blue is 1) having to go to my real job, or 2) if I use LaFrance or Mrs. Stewart's! If I remember the discussion, the extraction wasn't all that on the Easy spinner. I'd probably wash in the Easy, spin it out, and then rinse and finish up in the 1-18.

-ph

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Post# 5198-9/14/2001-16:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Yes, but the special attachment option would work on any brand of washer...

-ph

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Post# 5199-9/14/2001-16:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: Did we decide on the agitator for the Downy commercial? I looked at it again, and it looked like the high fin SQ agitator like in Greg's '54 SQ.

-ph

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Post# 5200-9/14/2001-16:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly's Revenge online
MESSAGE: Jason,

Is that the 5 vane or 4 vane Surgilator? My guess is that the 5 vane one is slightly better.

-ph

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Post# 5201-9/14/2001-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: One of my good friends brought her father (Retired Air Force Col.) and the first thing he said when we went to the laundry room was "you don't have a wringer!" He was an adult and raising children when automatics were new. From what he remembered, his family had a mid 50's Maytag AMP which they bought used and moved with them to Germany. They ran it on 50hz with a converter for 3 years, moved it to HI for another 3 years, then back to the states until it was replaced in the late 70's with another Maytag. He said in Germany on the 50hz, it "ramped" up a bit slower, but worked just fine. Can you imagine the AMP "a bit" slower?

I guess I'll have to get a wringer - but only if it's pink!

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Post# 5202-9/14/2001-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer
MESSAGE: I have a black bakelite agitator for that '54, as well as the aluminum one that was in it, but I don't think it's the same as in the commercial. The Downy agitator looked fatter down the barrel.

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Post# 5203-9/14/2001-17:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: What a shame...about a month or so ago Robert and I saw a beautiful pink 1963 Sears wringer washer :-)

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Post# 5204-9/14/2001-17:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: I want one of these attachments for each of my washers - I have 14 washers on the property - would that be condsidered hoarding?

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Post# 5205-9/14/2001-17:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: I saw a neat old Whirlpool wringer from the 50's, but it was white so I just admired the styling and marveled at the lint filter in the lid and kept walking.

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Post# 5206-9/14/2001-17:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: This one had the lint filter in the lid too, looked kind of like a toilet brush. It had the big open top wringer with chrome drain trays.

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Post# 5207-9/14/2001-17:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Looks like that attachment would function pretty nicely as an auto-loader.

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Post# 5208-9/14/2001-17:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring an old washer (See-Thru Kenmore Wringer)
MESSAGE: I looked at it again and I saw the high fins, it looks almost like a late 50's Kenmore wringer washer agitator. I know that Kenmore also had a clear demo round wringer washer (like my clear Maytag Wringer) in the late 50's and I have to wonder if that is what they are using to film through.

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Post# 5209-9/14/2001-17:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Message Deletion, But The Archives Will Remain Forever
MESSAGE: Hey Applianceville, I'm going to delete some of the earlier messages off of the system soon. Of course the Archive feature will always save every message and you can view anytime the messages back to #1 in the Archive, but I doubt that many people would scroll back 52 Pink Index pages to get to messages 1-100 to select them manually. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.

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Post# 5210-9/14/2001-18:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Message Deletion, But The Archives Will Remain Forever (Archives -- File / Save As)
MESSAGE: Anyone who wants to do so can also save a copy of an archive page to their drive for safe-keeping or viewing off-line.  It might be a good idea to do that in case of a server crash.  The contents of the navigation frame on the left doesn't get saved, but the frame with the posts does.

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Post# 5211-9/14/2001-19:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: No, it might be considered whoreding.

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Post# 5212-9/14/2001-19:15 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: That could be a multi-purpose dispenser system or an updated Apex "bouncing basket" washer.

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Post# 5213-9/14/2001-19:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Washing the flag
MESSAGE: Like many Americans this week, I am flying the flag in front of my house. I finally figured out how to attach a flag bracket to the wrought-iron column on one corner of the porch, and it looks great (I used a u-bolt!). But in looking at it, I realized that after four years in storage the flag had picked up some stains.

Neptune 7500 and STPP to the rescue! Last night I set the Neptune to a normal cycle, warm water, max extract, extra rinse. I used Sears HE Plus with bleach alternative and 33% STPP, just enough to get a little suds going. Then finished off with a next to lowest heat level in the matching dryer, using the wrinkle free setting. Results - one sparkling flag.

The reward was that as I was bicycling down the block towards my home at the end of the street this afternoon, a breeze caught the flag and it sparkled in the sun.

God Bless America, Maytag, and STPP.


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Post# 5214-9/14/2001-19:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Or it could be new packaging for Mr. Clean.


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Post# 5215-9/14/2001-20:31 ||| Cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (Mr clean?!>)
MESSAGE: I want one of these attachments too, btw that isn't a Miele washer... I think it says Merker on the front...

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Post# 5216-9/14/2001-21:49 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember the Norge commercial that said "Knock on any Norge" The husbear remembers that slogan for some reason and I was wondering if anyone else did. The knock on any Norge appliance meant Quality I guess from what he said. Just thought I would share.
Mike

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Post# 5217-9/14/2001-21:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Yes Mike there was that one, and "Years from now, you'll be glad it's a Norge". Good to see you on! S

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Post# 5218-9/14/2001-22:29 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Norge 'n Kenmore )
MESSAGE: Not only do I remember "Knock On Any Norge, Knock On Any Norge, Hear The Solid Sound of Quality, Knock on Any Norge, Years From Now You'll Be Glad it's A Norge" but how about this one from Kenmore: "You'll Get More With a Kenmore 'cause a Kenmore Has So Much More To Give"!!! LOLOL Kewl!
Lenny

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Post# 5219-9/14/2001-22:45 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Atlantis MAV9600 Energy Star? (Atlantis MAV8600 review)
MESSAGE: HQOTS:
Iv'e been using my second Maytag washer (Atlantis MAV8600) for about a week now. I also have a Neptune 5500 which I really love - except that I can't really watch it work! I am really impressed with using my Atlantis. The TOL unit has loads of features to play with. Flexibility is the high point to the Atlantis MAV8600. I am so happy with the broad-sweep agitation and the oversized agitator base...its Huge! You can hear the 'whoosh - whoosh' with each complete stroke...really nice! On 'Super-Wash' the speeds are changed to 'high' and the extraction is quite good. Not sure what the RPM's are but I dont think they are exceptionally high. Iv'e noticed the spin cycles (in ALL cycles) is quite long in duration - much longer than other washers I've used - it goes on and on. Also, Iv'e noticed occasional small threads of lint that catches under the edges of the 'flexible' agitator vanes. I didnt have this with the flexible vanes of the Kenmore DD. The tub is a highly polished stainless steel that I LOVE. I rate the machine an A+ but only time will tell its durability. It certainly seems like a solid, quality built unit. I hope so. Actually, Im enjoying it much more than my Neptune although the Neptune is 1000% more energy efficient with the same cleaning results! (but no fun).Thanks for your interest.
Lenny

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Post# 5220-9/14/2001-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (YAY - Another Collector!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jim, welcome to the club. I see you have quite a few washing machines in your collection, where do you keep them? Are they all hooked up? Inquiring minds must know!

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Post# 5221-9/14/2001-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Norge 'n Kenmore )
MESSAGE: I remember the Knock on any Norge solgan too! I hope one day to find a vintage commercial to post from them.

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Post# 5222-9/14/2001-23:37 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Rotor
MESSAGE: Does anyone have and still use an Antenna Rotator?

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Post# 5223-9/14/2001-23:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Rotor
MESSAGE: Now that brings back memories from when I was 5. I used to turn the dial all the time because I thought the noise was real neat and the tv would go crazy. My parents didn't think it was too funny especially if they were watching tv.

Down here in the deep south you can still get them in Wal-Mart and Radio Shack.

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Post# 5224-9/14/2001-00:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Rotor
MESSAGE: You still see them in rural areas in the midwest, and they are still available for purchase. My parents had one up until a year ago when they moved to a new house. Now they have one of those many satellite things that hangs on the side of the house.

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Post# 5225-9/14/2001-00:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Yeas Mike, we sure do, that's one of the reasons why my parents got the 1964 pair.

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Post# 5226-9/14/2001-00:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Norge 'n Kenmore )
MESSAGE: And how about the LK Rotorack's "The Best Cleaning Lady in Town".

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Post# 5227-9/14/2001-01:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (Jon Jetcone, look at this)
MESSAGE: I think you could be right. I saw an 'M' that looked like the Miele 'M' so I assumed it would be a Miele, but it could well be a Merker. So Jon Jetcone, I think we found your Merker!!

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Post# 5228-9/14/2001-01:46 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (Enchanted With Maytag Highlander)
MESSAGE: Greg,

Every now and then I drive by a used appliance store that has a similar Maytag Highlander washer model (white like yours) on the floor. I keep imagining what it would look like in my garage. What problems have you encountered with the all-pushbutton controls?

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Post# 5229-9/15/2001-02:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (No Dial Pushing!)
MESSAGE: I don't care much for the inflexibility of the timer. You get a pre-programmed sequence of cycles, no adjustments and only two water levels. If I weren't a dial-pusher, it probably wouldn't matter. I love the sleek styling and the lights, but it doesn't allow for much playing around in the cycles. I have a 50hz pulley on that machine which increases the agitation and spin speeds to a nice performance level, great results in spinning and much better turnover in washing/rinsing, but you could have this on any helical drive machine. I've had no problems with the timer itself, just the flexibility issue I don't like. I don't usually have many delicate items (sweaters, etc.) and therefore don't use the delicate or woolens cycles at all as you can only get a full water level on those selections - horrible waste for one or two things.

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Post# 5230-9/15/2001-02:44 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (More Highlander Questions)
MESSAGE: Is this inflexibility also true in other ways for the dryer? I'm already spoiled by the range of options offered on my Neptune dryer. Also, in starting up the machine, how long does the button have to be pressed?

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Post# 5231-9/15/2001-03:15 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: Detergents at the Convention
MESSAGE: A big Thank You to everyone who posted photographs of the Convention. Even though I was not able to be there, the pictures that you have shared are definitely the next best thing. In one of the photos, there are boxes of Ariel, Fairy, and Bold detergents sitting on one of the machines.

I have only seen ads for these brands in various European magazines, and have the following questions about them: 1) What are the products like? 2) Are they formulated for hard water (Do they include water softeners?)? 3) What was the cleaning performance of each product like? 4) What is the recommended amount to be used for a load? 5) Which products worked best on: ground in dirt; grease; grass; food stains; etc.? 6) Was Bold the only product to contain a fabric softener? 7) Did any of the products contain any bleaching agent? 8) Was there any noticeable difference in the way that the products performed in a top loader, as opposed to a front loader? 9) Were there any other products besides these three specially brought to the Convention? 10) How did the sudsing levels of these detergents compare with the high and low sudsing products that are most common in the US?



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Post# 5232-9/15/2001-09:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Collector (More Highlander Questions)
MESSAGE: To a lesser extent, yes. The dryer seems to be a little better for my needs as most loads I'm drying are "regular" or need to be dried completely. For delicate items I will use the "damp dry" cycle which is fairly accurate for similar weight fabrics and then hang or dry flat as needed after that.

You only need to press the button on the dryer until it starts which is immediate. The washer button needs to be pressed until you hear the timer advancing toward the cycle selected - maybe a second or so.

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Post# 5233-9/15/2001-10:50 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders'
MESSAGE: Hi all:
In the October 2001 issue of Better Homes & Gardens magazine, there is a multi-page ad for LG Appliances using the slogan "WorkingWonders". One page has 'The New LG Wash & Dry combo with SenseClean".
What are these appliances? I've never seen or heard of them until I picked up the magazine waiting for an appointment. Have any of you seen or heard of this product line? Is it new? They really seem state-of-the-art! They also advertise "The New LG Refrigerator with FastFresh Door Cooling. And also "The New LG Microwave with Scroll & Cook". Anyones thoughts or knowledge on this 'new' line???
Lenny

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Post# 5234-9/15/2001-11:30 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone

The big day has finally arrived, (40 Big Bash) didnt feel like saying earlier with the events of this week, wish you could all be here, so I`ll have a "Blue Saphire" "Convention Cocktail" in honour of you all!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 5235-9/15/2001-12:09 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Happy belated 40th, Mike. I'll have one or two drinks in your honor, too.

Cheers,

Steve 1-18

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Post# 5236-9/15/2001-12:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: All the best to you my friend! Enjoy the day - Greg

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Post# 5237-9/15/2001-12:16 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders'
MESSAGE: Lenny,

Here's what I found about LG washers. Not much, I'm afraid.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://www.unitednaghi.com/lg/household/Washing%20Machines/washers_index.htm

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Post# 5238-9/15/2001-12:56 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Safe
MESSAGE: Hi everyone I just wanted to let all know I am safe
I work near the world trade center & was on my way to work when it all happened. I have had no access to internet till now & I am currently using a public internet. So I won't be able to logon again until I go back to work or get a new computer.
I just want to say I miss all you guys and God Bless everyone. I hope we are all in touch soon.
Best Always
Peter


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Post# 5239-9/15/2001-16:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Happy belated birthday Mike, I guess it didn't hurt, did it. I'll drink to your health and happiness (it's sherry).

Louis

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Post# 5240-9/15/2001-16:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Bless you Peter for being safe. This is an awful tragedy especially for the New York people. My thoughts are with you.

Louis

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Post# 5241-9/15/2001-17:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Hey, Mikey!  Hope you have/had a wonderful time!!  Send some pics to your mates in the States.

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Post# 5242-9/15/2001-17:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Even after four days of "adjusting" to it, I can't watch the TV news or read a newspaper without getting teary.

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Post# 5243-9/15/2001-19:09 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Good for you, Dado. I've so far been unable to shed a tear about this. I think I'm still numb from the shock of it all, and so angry at those who did it, and those who support the deed. I think I will be able to cry when justice has been done. And the sooner that happens, the better.



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Post# 5244-9/15/2001-19:23 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Rotor (Remote Control Rotor)
MESSAGE: Scott and HQOTS:
I also remember the old Alliance "Tenna-Rotor". It was such a neet little gadget with a control unit that sat on top of the TV set. The control had a BIG cream colored dial that you would turn N,S,E & W. It was fun to play with and like you said to see the picture on the set jump and roll! I also always liked TV antennas - those odd, metalic rooftop 'sculptures'.
The Rotor is still used today even with satellite service if you dont have local channels available. In fact, they are remote controlled like the TV and VCR remotes. Neet!
Lenny


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Post# 5245-9/15/2001-19:27 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders' (LG Appliances )
MESSAGE: Steve:
The LG units on your Link do not look like the unit advertised in BH&G magazine. The one in BH&G was a combo washer/dryer front loader. This is a very unusual appliance line. I would really like to learn more about it. Thank you for what information you did find!!!
Lenny

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Post# 5246-9/15/2001-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: I wish I could be there with you to MJike. On the bright side, even at your advanced age you still got carded (here that means are you old enought to drink?, prove it!!) [catch the pun, I'm sure you did].

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Post# 5247-9/15/2001-20:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Peter, I'm very thankful you are safe too. And thanks for the blessing.

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Post# 5248-9/15/2001-20:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Glenn, today was the first day I cried about it. I read a story in the Houston chronicle online (and a similar one in NYT, but edited very differently). A CEO of an investment firm in the building was late because he took his son to his first day kindergarten. I cried the whole time I read the story. He also lost his brother. He says he's dealing with 700 families of employees & trying to help them. He even seeded a fund for those families with $1M as a start. Also his account of trying to help people & then having to run when the building collapsed did me in further. Bob

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Post# 5249-9/15/2001-21:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: I too, am still in shock and disbelief at the senseless loss of life. There are not words to describe our collective losses as a country and civilized world. I agree this terror must stop and pray that we all can stand united to fight those who strive for evil.

Thanks for letting us know you are safe, we are all with you in spirit. Greg

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Post# 5250-9/15/2001-21:32 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (YAY - Another Collector!)
MESSAGE: Hi Unimatic,

Thanks for the welcome. I found this place via THS and google (so some people know me from THS I guess), and finally got round to registering and posting.

I currently only have the 2 washers in the house (and 2 at work), but there are at least 2 others that I shall be getting shortly. I have one in my kitchen (well it will be there when it's finished) and one in the basement kitchen (long story). The others will go in a spare basement room when I get them, and will eventually be hooked up.

Jim

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Post# 5251-9/15/2001-21:38 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (Jon Jetcone, look at this)
MESSAGE: Louis, do you know anything much about Merker? I don't read much German (apart from translating appliance names, and a few other random things) so can't make out much on their website. It seems they are a part of Schulthess AG, and look like they sell Schulthess/BSH machines rebadged nowadays...

Jim
LINK: http://www.merker.ch

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Post# 5252-9/15/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: After months of tinkering here and there and several nights this week, I have her running in the garage. I ran it through a complete cycle tonight and aside from a few tweeks here and there, she is running beautifully. I posted a few pics of the restoration/repairs and a few of the first test tonight. When I move it downstairs tomorrow, I'll run a washload through - can't wait to see how it is with some sudsy detergent!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst?.dir=/1954+Speed+Queen+A12c&.view=t

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Post# 5253-9/15/2001-23:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Mike!

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Post# 5254-9/15/2001-23:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Safe
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, glad to hear everything is fine!

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Post# 5255-9/15/2001-23:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (Just Beautiful Greg! )
MESSAGE: Just beautiful Greg! I see you found some new spin bearings for her too, she must run very quietly now. You must be very proud and that light is just wonderful. Congrats on a great job, well done!

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Post# 5256-9/15/2001-00:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: FABULOUS action shots, especially the "final spray rinse!"

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Post# 5257-9/15/2001-01:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: New old appliance hauler
MESSAGE: Well, I plunked down about a grand and today drove home a '78 Dodge D100 Custom "Fargo" pickup. It's not much to look at, but it's a California truck and all the rust is just on the surface ;-). It might also need a radiator but for hauling around town it's fine. Plus it passed smog inspection with flying colors. It's been three years since I last had a pickup truck so I'm looking forward to hauling a lot of junk out of here, and bringing more in! Well, it will be better junk. Like sofas, beds, dishwashers, etc... stuff that just doesn't fit too good in a car.

I don't have a digital camera, otherwise I'd scan in a shot of the beast... perhaps I should wait until I touch up the paint... it's a powder blue with reddish brown "accents" ;-)



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Post# 5258-9/16/2001-02:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (Merker)
MESSAGE: Jim,

They are indeed the same. Here is a picture of the old Merker Jon Jetcone would like to find.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.dnm=Merker+washer.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 5259-9/16/2001-02:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Greg, this is a real beauty, congratulations on finishing her. I hope you will take a few pictures of that sudsy cycle?

YAY!

Louis

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Post# 5260-9/16/2001-06:28 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: Way to go, Greg. She looks beautiful and you must certainly be proud of her. Can't wait for more pic's with the washload!
Eddy

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Post# 5261-9/16/2001-07:37 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: I'll chime in with a W&C. Happy belated birthday Mike!


SD

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Post# 5262-9/16/2001-09:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler
MESSAGE: Good for you - I was toying with this idea a while back, but my van is only a year old and I need to keep it for a while longer. I wouldn't mind having something for hauling and something small and fuel efficient for around town.

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Post# 5263-9/16/2001-09:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: I will, I will! I have to have some of the washer and her matching dryer next to each other!

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Post# 5264-9/16/2001-09:23 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Weekend around the house
MESSAGE: A busy weekend around the house. Rhinnie and I did get out to the the Army Post this weekend. Ft Gordon is about 5 miles from here. It was more like Fort Knox. What security! The place was pretty empty. It took us only 5 minutes to enter, but I heard during the week, the delays were up to 4 hours! By the time we left, the line to enter the post was about 30 cars long (2 lanes). At the first check point, they asked for all passenger's ID's. Then we moved on to vehicle inspection. They visual checked the passenger compartment and have the driver open the trunk and front hood.

Unfortunately, I'll have to take Rhinnie back soon on a weekday. I'm not looking forward to the lines.

Back home, I'm dealing with a clogged drain, and this has forced me to pull several of the washers out. During the move, I am re-arranging the 'STUDIO.' All of the front loaders are already up on platforms. The 66 Kenmore pair will be moved to the corner where the Frigmore pair was. All the front loaders will be along one sife of the utility island.

Will post those pictures later today. For now, here is a preview. Rhinnie and I p0urchased some 'sexy knickers' last Sunday. Here we are modeling them. The other pictures are of the latest addition to the '1-18' family.

Later,

Steve
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?.dir=/Weekend+20010915&.view=t

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Post# 5265-9/16/2001-09:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend around the house
MESSAGE: Another 1-18!! You are getting quite a collection of the very rarest of the species - those other than harvest gold! Where in the world are you going to put all these? I guess I'll have to wait for the new studio pics!

Love the knickers - how fun!

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Post# 5266-9/16/2001-10:26 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: had to laugh this morning
MESSAGE: Was reading our local sunday paper and in the home section was an article about vintage appliance people like us... Guess were not so much the freaks we thought we were lol ...

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Post# 5267-9/16/2001-10:48 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (Another Beauty )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Great Job!! She looks great. Love that light. Will be looking forward to the pictures when she is in her new home and up and running. Terry

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Post# 5268-9/16/2001-11:51 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler
MESSAGE: Thanks Gansky. A van would probably meet most of my needs, but it would be difficult to haul motorcycles in one...

This Fargo truck was real dirty - it had been parked under trees for a while with no protection. I had to use a scrub brush to clean the sheet metal, and found numerous paper wasp's nests and even an ant colony! It has a new windshield, which is a real plus for me. And I just checked the smog report - it's a 360 motor, not a 318 as I originally thought. But it's a huge beast, dominating the courtyard. It also has an overhead lumber rack, which will be useful for the 16 foot 2x4's that I'm planning on getting for building another pergola, and for copper tubing I'm planning on getting for replacing the home's original galvanized water lines. I'm sure I can think of more uses for it. I'm a little surprised I bought this heap, as I was looking for a pre-72 that I wouldn't have to smog, but the great smog report sold me on it. Even if I only keep it a couple years, I could probably sell it or donate it or give it the crushers and not be out too much $$$. Plus I kind of like the big logo, "Fargo" emblazoned on the tailgate. One of my favorite movies, dontcha know. ;-). It would feel right at home in Minneapolis! (hauling a shredder, perhaps).


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Post# 5269-9/16/2001-11:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend around the house
MESSAGE: My my, those sexy knickers are really something.

I guess that is the 1-18 that we saw in the backyard of one of the second hand stores we visited and that was going to the junk? Does it need repairs or is it working. Ofcourse you understand I can't wait to see the pictures of the new laundry studio.

Louis

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Post# 5270-9/16/2001-11:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: had to laugh this morning
MESSAGE: Could you scan that article for us? Sounds interesting. What were their favourite appliances?

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Post# 5271-9/16/2001-12:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: had to laugh this morning (Newspaper on-line?)
MESSAGE: Maybe they have a web site with the article on-line?

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Post# 5272-9/16/2001-12:38 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (Finniky Sounding Starter?)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,

Is that one of those old dodges that makes that unique sound when the engine is turning over? A friend had a ram charger with a 360 the thing was an animal!



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Post# 5273-9/16/2001-12:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Another bit of a disaster, in Texas
MESSAGE: The longest bridge in the state (2.5 miles) was hit by a barge, knocking down a 160-foot section.  More has collapsed since then.

Don't miss the "photo gallery" and "bridge facts" links on the page.
LINK: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1049845

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Post# 5274-9/16/2001-13:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (360 sonics)
MESSAGE: Tucker,

I don't know, this is my first V8 of any kind. It sounds fairly normal to me when it starts, and doesn't seem to be finicky about starting. It does have a definite V8 burble even with a fairly new muffler. It doesn't have quite the amount of power I would normally associate with a moderately large V8, but I attribute that to a mix of 70's smog devices and lots of mileage. It does seem to handle well, though, pretty flat in the turns and not too bad over bumps, at least for a truck.

I just went out in my bathrobe and started the truck cold. Yes, the starter does seem to have a nice turbine like whine to it. I had to adjust the cold idle speed, easy to do on this engine. I also discovered that the air filter is almost completely clogged, which might have something to do with the perceived lack of power I noticed yesterday.

I'm off to the auto parts stores to get spare air filters, oil filters, etc.


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Post# 5275-9/16/2001-13:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Another bit of a disaster, in Texas (tragic)
MESSAGE: Tragic, Dado. No way to get off the island and the people lost. I hope this is not an act of terrorism/sabotage. Is there any information there about why the barges went off course?


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Post# 5276-9/16/2001-14:02 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (Finniky Sounding Starter?)
MESSAGE: That funny high pitched noise is the reduction gear starter. One of things I like about Chrysler products. The starter was one of the first things I checked out when I bought the Ram because I was not sure if they used different ones and I had to have the famous Chrysler starter whine. Anyone within ear shot knows you drive a Chrysler product when you go start it. Unfortunatly they did away with that starter in the front wheel drive vehicles.



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Post# 5277-9/16/2001-14:20 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (Finniky Sounding Starter?)
MESSAGE: Everyone in my family is a Chrysler nut. I guess it started with my grandfather. When they moved to Fl they had a new Dodge Dart along with the people across the street and on both sides of us. After a year of trying to get it to start my grandparents got a 73 Fury III. The people who lived on both sides of us and across the street kept their Darts even though it would take a good 10 mins to get the thing started and running. I can remember running outside and sitting on the porch listening to the starters scream and whine, the engine roar to life, die, and the starters scream and whine again and again until the engine was finally warm enough to stay running.
My grandmothers Fury always started on the first try so I really didn't like that car so much. I always asked her if she would get rid of it and buy another Dart. The answer was always a firm NO. Funny the things we remember. Now i wish I could finea Fury like hers.

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Post# 5278-9/16/2001-15:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (Finniky Sounding Starter?)
MESSAGE: My bro-in-law has had a succession of Dodge pick-ups. My parents stick with GM, except for a 1973 Ford station wagon, and a Fifth Avenue in the late 1970's or early 1980's

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Post# 5279-9/16/2001-15:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler
MESSAGE: Rich, congrats on the "new" truck and potential vintage appliance salvage device. Happy hunting.

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Post# 5280-9/16/2001-15:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Another bit of a disaster, in Texas (tragic)
MESSAGE: Not that I've heard yet. I have some friends in Brownsville who design/host several web sites promoting South Padre Island, I'm sure they'll have the scoop soon as it's known.

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Post# 5281-9/16/2001-15:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend around the house
MESSAGE: Love the new 1/18, looks like a model I could "live" with. You didn't take any inside pics though. Is it a filter pan or BON filter?

And lvoe the knickers, they're out of this world. Rhinnie, WOOOF!!!!

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Post# 5282-9/16/2001-15:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: had to laugh this morning
MESSAGE: Phillippe, is there a way you could scan the article for us? If not, look at my profile and get my email. Email me and I'll give you my address to have acopy mailed to jme. I'd love to see it. Bob

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Post# 5283-9/16/2001-15:58 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All (Belated Wishes)
MESSAGE: Mike:
Extending belated birthday wishes for your big 40th from sunny (and hot) Southern California. To you, I raise my frosty glass of Casera Sangria (non-alcoholic soda).

-Janet Planet

(P.S., besides being a fan of Mexican detergents, I'm also a fan of Mexican sodas)

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Post# 5284-9/16/2001-17:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm so thrilled and happy for you-despite the scraped hands, bearing-hit toe, and ... Love the initial pics. Even that rubber gasket's shape around the top of the tub (curved up & down, I don't know what you'd call it), but even it looks regal, just like the speed queen that she is. Sigh!!!! You'll be overflow rinsing to your hearts content. I find it interesting that the fill is more to the side. A friend of mine in high schools grilfriend's parents had a SQ pair like the SQ you brought to the convention. I remember it even had a fill from the back, just like the SQ washers I used in laundries in college.

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Post# 5286-9/16/2001-20:17 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (Royal LADY with the red eye!)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
That 54 SpeedQueen is totally AWSOME! Wow, what a GRAND restoration! It's really beautiful with that fantastic little red light (that is SO awsome)! I LOVE the bowl shaped wash tub with the 'high-vaned' agitator. That agitator looks very similiar to my 1980 McGraw Edison Speed Queen except of course it looks like yours is metal and it also has a higher fin pattern. I can't get over the similiarities in your 54 Queen and my 80's Queen. The cabinet is very different but the wash bowl and agitator along with the water fill, overflow and 'throw' are almost identical. My unit fills from the mid center back with a 'bubbly-arated' flow. Even the rippling lip gasket looks similiar - mine is not as undulated though. I wish you much luck and endless sudsing fun with your 'royal LADY'
Lenny

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Post# 5285-9/16/2001-20:17 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!! (Royal LADY with the red eye!)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
That 54 SpeedQueen is totally AWSOME! Wow, what a GRAND restoration! It's really beautiful with that fantastic little red light (that is SO awsome)! I LOVE the bowl shaped wash tub with the 'high-vaned' agitator. That agitator looks very similiar to my 1980 McGraw Edison Speed Queen except of course it looks like yours is metal and it also has a higher fin pattern. I can't get over the similiarities in your 54 Queen and my 80's Queen. The cabinet is very different but the wash bowl and agitator along with the water fill, overflow and 'throw' are almost identical. My unit fills from the mid center back with a 'bubbly-arated' flow. Even the rippling lip gasket looks similiar - mine is not as undulated though. I wish you much luck and endless sudsing fun with your 'royal LADY'
Lenny

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Post# 5287-9/16/2001-20:23 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: I've been hearing the term 'helical-drive' associated with some Maytag trannys. Could anyone tell me what this is exactly? Is this by chance, Maytag's vertically mounted tranny? How does this differ from the present 'Dual-Drive' super wash tranny on the Atlantis??? Thanks,
Lenny

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Post# 5288-9/16/2001-21:40 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Thats the one that came after the AMP and before the orbital tranny. The orbital had the short fast stroke, the helical had the long slow stroke which really didn't do anyting unless you put a 50 cycle pulley on the motor.

The dual drive is a Norge design that was modified a little by Maytag.

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Post# 5289-9/16/2001-21:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Mabel had the helical but was replaced with an orbital and I soon hope to add a 50 cycle pulley. She will then kick some laundry ass. LOL

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Post# 5290-9/16/2001-22:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Jason, with the 50 cycle pulley in Mabel, not only with she kick some drawers, but she'll live up to her name--she'll send the laundry into orbit with that orbital tranny.

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Post# 5291-9/16/2001-22:16 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (Mable Maytag Action!)
MESSAGE: Dear Appnut & HQOTS:
You guys are a RIOT!!! Mabel sounds like a scream! What is she anyway? AMP? I am new to all this vintage stuff and I never heard of the AMP Maytag? Is Mable an AMP model? The new Pulley your adding to her - is that a modification to Mable and if so, can it 'blow-up' her tranny? I can just see that machine shake-rattle-'n-rollin at warp speed. The wash cycle probably looks like a blender action making a milkshake! Talk about roll-over, more like fiber breakdown! LOLOL Thanks for the info!
Lenny

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Post# 5292-9/16/2001-22:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (Holy Mother of Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mom has an orbital Maytag and it hauls ass. It's strokes are still better than the DD Whirly strokes. A 50hz pulley would be slightly larger than a 60hz to compensate for the slower frequency. I wonder how many more rpm's would you get on the spin?

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Post# 5293-9/16/2001-23:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Sunbeam mixmaster
MESSAGE: A few days ago somebody asked what model my mixmaster was. I did some research and found out it's a 70s design. Straight handle, detachable power cord. Well, I guess it's nothing special really but it is pretty being all chrome and it works great.

The mixer I'm very attached to though is a 60s Sears hand held mixer. The one I grew up with. Nothing really special about it but the sound it makes means the world to me. Just another link to my childhood. Yes, I still have the mixer and I start it every now and then. The problem I have is the variable speed knob doesn't work anymore. It shorted and it only runs at high speed.

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Post# 5294-9/16/2001-23:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: I've not had much direct experience with Maytag or any exposure to their service literature.  Can somebody explain the following? --

1. What does "AMP" stand for?

2. What are the differences between the AMP design, the helical drive, orbital drive, and now the dual drive?  I've seen my sister's machine running, it's from the 1980's I think, has the two-belt design with the upside-down motor, and the entire tranny spins during spin, and it has the counter-weights attached -- that's the helical tranny, I assume.



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Post# 5295-9/16/2001-23:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (Mable Maytag Action!)
MESSAGE: Mabel is an 80's maytag that was about the last of the Fabric Matic helical tranny design. I changed the top over to a mid 70's machine.

Water had entered the tranny and it was making strange sounds so when Tom and John came down we put the 50 cycle pulley on it and if left that way the tranny would have blown up. Later that day we put the orbital tranny in it and it did a better job, but I would still like a 50 cycle pulley one it. We estimated that spin speed was up to about 700-725.

I also replaced the pulley on my belt drive Kenmore with a larger one and that made the spin speed go up to about 710 rpm. The only problem is that neither machine can really handle spin speeds that fast. If the load is even the slightest bit off balance they run across the room. But that is about the only way I can justify the use of a regular top loader. Having the higher spin speed and both top loaders connected so I can have a manual suds saver machine.

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Post# 5296-9/16/2001-23:23 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Tom or Robert will know the answer to that one.

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Post# 5297-9/16/2001-23:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: Well, my first car was a '64 Valiant 2 coupe, which I bought used in '76. Since then I have only bought Chrysler Corp products. Although the '79 Plymouth p/u truck is really made by Mitsubishi. You're right, the '64 Valiant has a similar starter sound to the truck, although the truck makes a lot more emphatic statement about it. My '50 Plymouth's starter has its own sound, not that similar to the Valiant. Kind of depends on how the undersized 6 volt battery is feeling that day ;-).

I've been sort of wondering why I bought this truck. It needs attention, and I thought I had no time to spare for such things. I bought it from a gentleman who was selling it for his family. It had belonged to his cousin, who recently died after a lingering illness. Although it had many defects, something felt right about the deal.

Today I spend most of the day working on the truck. Change oil & filter, get instrument lights to work, replace alternator, buy various supplies, fan belts, etc for future work. It took the whole day. As I was fiddling with the rear view mirror, I noticed a little black 2x2 inch square of plastic above the windshield, pasted to the sheet metal of the cab roof. The plastic was molded in the shape of city skyline. Inside it were the words,

"No matter what may be your lot in life, build on it."

At that point I realized why I had bought this truck. To keep myself busy, to work on something, to build on something, to build for the future. This anyone can do, and should do, to climb back from the horror of this past week.


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Post# 5298-9/16/2001-23:34 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: My thoughts are with you all
MESSAGE: Sorry this has been belated, but I have been thinking about you all and glad no one is injured.

I hope all your families are safe too.

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Post# 5299-9/16/2001-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My thoughts are with you all
MESSAGE: Thank you arrrooohhh, it has been so nice to receive everyone's kind thoughts from all over the world during this difficult time. Scott

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Post# 5300-9/16/2001-00:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: 1962 Maytag Co. washer service manual explains it in simple terms as a nut and bolt. Imagine the agitation shaft as a bolt indside of a sleeve (or the spin drive.) The bolt head (at the top of the agi. shaft) is the driver for the transmission gear train that produces the agitation stroke. At the bottom of the shaft is a nut (and a stop lug - so the nut won't fall off!) which is the driven unit of the motor. When the motor turns counter clockwise, the nut moves in a downward direction on the bolt allowing the bolt (shaft) and bolt to turn freely inside the sleeve, driving the transmission. When the motor reverses for spin (clockwise) it "winds" the nut up the bolt, locking the nut against the sleeve, agitation shaft and the transmission now are locked into one "unit". Perhaps you've seen inside a Maytag cabinet before when the machine is spinning, the entire transmission and drive tube spins, thus the warning label "Keep Clear of Spinning Power Unit."

This is very simple with the nut and bolt, but explains the principle. The helical drive system is just that, a drive system, a means of producing two separate driving methods for different functions - agitation and spin. I'm not positive, but I believe Maytag is still using the Helical drive principle in the Dependable Care (now part of the Performa line) machines. The agitation stroke is determined by the transmission gearing. The orbital tranny is the shorter stroke that is mounted vertically along the shaft/drive tube, older style with slower stroke is perpendicular to the shaft/tube.

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Post# 5301-9/16/2001-01:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: 1. I don't know :-)

2. (a) First we have to separate agitation actions from drive systems. Drive systems are the methods by which power from the motor is used to obtain different functions of the machine, principally agitation and spin. The AMP was a different drive system than the helical. The AMP used a torque spring and key/solenoid drive and a one directional motor. The spring is "wound" around the agitation shaft(inside a sleeve or spin tube) that is driven by the motor. During agitation the spring is wound tightly around the agitation shaft allowing it to move the tranny gearing, then during spin, a solenoid operates a lever that lowers a "key" or stop onto one end of the spring causing it to unwind and expand outward to the spin tube causing the rotation of the motor to be transmitted to the spin drive tube which moves the basket and since there is no power or torque on the agitation shaft, agitation stops. I tried to explain the helical as best I could in my previous post. Helical Drives are reversing motor machines.

2. (b) The agitation action or stroke is determined by the transmission. The gearing on AMP and Helical drive styles is identical, just different housings and counterweights. The orbital is again just a different tranny design that produces a shorter faster stroke. I've not seen any service lit. on the dual drive (I beleive a modified Norge?) or the drive system used on that.

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Post# 5302-9/16/2001-01:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Or they can correct my errors!

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Post# 5303-9/16/2001-01:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Golden Gobbler
MESSAGE: I found this while surfing tonight. It's a Canadian lawsuit concerning the design of the dual-action agitator and flexible agitator vanes involving Maytag, Whirlpool and GE. The first part to catch my eye was the mention of a flexible vane agitator invented by WP that "mauled fabrics so badly it was nicknamed the Golden Gobbler." And later it's mentioned that WP first experimented with the dual-action and fixed fin agitators that tangled clothes so badly, they had to stand on a chair to remove the load from the machine.

Interesting bit of washer history...
LINK: http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/pub/2000/vol2/html/2000scr2_1067.html

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Post# 5304-9/17/2001-02:36 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My thoughts are with you all
MESSAGE: I just hope that it can be resolved quickly with as few casualties as possible.

The whole world is affected as people have been killed from so many different countries, so everybody around the world shares your grief.

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Post# 5305-9/17/2001-04:34 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: Ganski, Your Speed Queen looks beautiful. COngratulations on a well done job. The pictures were fantastic, esp the spray rinse!!

All the best with the Hotpoint too!

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Post# 5306-9/17/2001-04:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders'
MESSAGE: You may or not be familiar with Goldstar. LG was goldstar, but there quality has imporved greatly and they are seriously after market share. There products have been well recieved, thanks to innovative styling offereuing something fresh and new.

Here is there Global website
LINK: www.lge.co.kr

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Post# 5307-9/17/2001-04:39 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders' (try again)
MESSAGE: click on english to get the english language website.
LINK: http://www.lge.co.kr

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Post# 5308-9/17/2001-04:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders'
MESSAGE: Have a look at LGs washing machine here, Lenny. This iste is great fun.
LINK: http://lgwashingmachine.com

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Post# 5309-9/17/2001-05:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: Rich, great words of wisdom. Thank you. Bob

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Post# 5310-9/17/2001-05:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: We have that washer in white in the collection. Tom

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Post# 5311-9/17/2001-05:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele
MESSAGE: Looks like it would have really strong agitator action, once turned on.

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Post# 5312-9/17/2001-05:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (Easy Spinner)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was a still a lot of work, but women who went to the Easy after a wringer loved it. A friend of mine remembers her Easy with great fondness. You really did not need set tubs with it, so it could be used in a kitchen and, if you lived where you could not have an automatic, it was really great.

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Post# 5313-9/17/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (I'm not blue)
MESSAGE: Actually, the Easy was better than most wringers at extracting water and for large items like blankets or quilts, it was far better at getting the water out because for large thick items, you had to release the wringer roll tension in order to fit the carefully folded items through, if they would fit at all, and the wringing was not so even. Another thing was that woolens were easily damaged in a wringer because they caused the fibers to mat so the spinner was better in that aspect also. Of course, some of today's automatics would spin better, definitely rinse better and would be a lot less work for that operation after you washed in the Easy.

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Post# 5314-9/17/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Happy birthday, Mike! Tom

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Post# 5315-9/17/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend around the house
MESSAGE: Cute new shorts you guys. That new 1/18 of yours is the exact model my parents bought when we moved to Florida in '78, but it was in almond.

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Post# 5316-9/17/2001-07:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (AMP Pictures)
MESSAGE: Lenny Maytag has had three major machine designs over the years. The AMP was produced from 1949-1957, the Helical Drive Machines were produced from 1956-1999 or 2000 (I think they have stop producing Helical machines now, but I'm not positive) and the Updated Norge Design like in your new washer.

Here are pictures of my 1949 Maytag AMP washer (AMP stands for Automatic with Pump)...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst?&.dir=/Maytag+-+1949+AMP&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Maytag%2b-%2b1949%2bAMP%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 5317-9/17/2001-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Probably the prettiest washers (and dryers) GE ever produced.

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Post# 5318-9/17/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Oh the buttons)
MESSAGE: Look at the buttons, push the buttons. Feel the button submit to your desire.

Feel better now?

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Post# 5319-9/17/2001-08:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Oh the buttons)
MESSAGE: Not only the buttons, but the "timeline" type of "pointer" as well as a large console light!!!!

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Post# 5320-9/17/2001-08:28 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: I may be cheap, but... (Easy Spinner)
MESSAGE: I had rebuild an easy spinner and living in the country I loved it. It was one of the most efficient machines and a great steward to the enviroment with water reusage. I would love to find another one. My last one has turned into a planter when the whole transmission deciced to go into a melt down. I can remember my mother having one when I was a child and then her next machine was a westinghouse front loader around a 1960 model. This weekend I spent doing laundry in my 1-18 outside for relaxation and meditation of the world events

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Post# 5321-9/17/2001-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Boy is that a colorful piece of advertising. I wonder what the advertising boys were smoking when they picked out the background for that brochure.

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Post# 5322-9/17/2001-09:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (buttons)
MESSAGE: I wondered what that red bar was. I figured. I've always loved stuff with buttons. When I was kid I was in love with GE because of the buttons style. Also, my aunt had a 60s Keyboard Lady K and I got to push the big buttons. Needless to say my world was thoroughly rocked when I first saw the electronic Lady K in the 70s.

I saw an electronic Direct Drive Lady K in a used app store and relieved that magical moment, if only it were belt-drive.

Now, my good ol' GE dryer has a keyboard and I'm proud to own it. Whirly has the twist knobs. What fun is that?

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Post# 5323-9/17/2001-09:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: 40" Flair up for bid on ebay
MESSAGE: It's in the San Francisco area.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275244759

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Post# 5324-9/17/2001-09:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele (YAY - Another Collector!)
MESSAGE: Jim, welcome to the club. Tom

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Post# 5325-9/17/2001-09:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (AMP Pictures)
MESSAGE: The orbital tranny still uses the helical drive. Amana/SQ uses a similar type of system in their machines also.

-ph

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Post# 5326-9/17/2001-10:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive
MESSAGE: Great explanation, Greg! When the helix turns in one direction, it screws down, locking the tub brake and allowing agitation. When it turns in the opposite direction, it unlocks the brake and allows the tub to spin.

-ph

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Post# 5327-9/17/2001-10:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Toast To You All
MESSAGE: Cheers to you, Mike! Hope you had a wonderful day!

-ph

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Post# 5328-9/17/2001-10:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Appliances 'WorkingWonders'
MESSAGE: Lenny,

Seems to me that LG is a Korean company trying to make it into the American market. Wasn't the LG washer the one that is direct drive, with the motor attached to the back of the drum?:

-ph

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Post# 5329-9/17/2001-11:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: What a beauty! Spray rinses and all! Great "artful" pictures too. Great work, Greg! Did you happen to have all the needed the parts in your possession already?

-ph

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Post# 5330-9/17/2001-12:39 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: What are the vintage of those GE's that I have saw on today's POD?? Early 1960's?? Mid 1960's?? I cannot imagine them being any later than 1963 or 1964. Because in the late 1960's, the GE dryers started appearing with handles on their doors then, right??

But I cannot help but notice that cool looking electronic time line on the washer. If I don't say so myself, that was the prettiest looking washer GE has ever produced.

--Charles--

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Post# 5331-9/17/2001-12:48 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (buttons)
MESSAGE: Jason:

While I wasn't raised with any appliances that had "push buttons" on them, they were some of such appliances in my family when I was very young though. The Lady Kenmore washer that you are decribing?? My great aunt had that exact washer back in the mid 1960's, and I believe hers lasted until about the mid 1980's. But nonetheless, you don't know how much of a treat it would be to operate that machine until you pushed one (or a few) of those buttons. Turning that dial afterwards was just mundane by comparison.

But when the first electronic Lady Kenmore appeared in 1978, I have since thought that my world was rocked as well. It was like we're going into the space age long before the space age was ever going to be. The 1978 Electronic Lady Kenmore was one cool machine also (besides the 1966-67 Keyboard). It remains one of my most favorite machines of all time.

--Charles--

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Post# 5332-9/17/2001-13:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (buttons)
MESSAGE: My only push button appliance was a push button Osterizer blender I got in the mid-80's. It finally gave up the ghost with one to many daquiries. I didn't like it so much because the push buttons were difficult to keep clean. I replaced it a few years ago with one of those chrome beehive retro model Osterizers. Just two speeds - on and pulse - but these are all I really need anyway. Generally it gets used mostly for making stuff like the occasional BBQ marinade.

I may have rented a house in the 80's with a push-button controlled electric range, but memory fails me now about brand and model. I know I hated it. Not because of the buttons, but because I prefered gas.

I suppose the Neptune 7500 would qualify as a push button appliance? There aren't any dials, that's for sure ;-)




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Post# 5333-9/17/2001-13:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (buttons)
MESSAGE: Oh, and I have a '64 Plymouth with a push button transmission. Love it. When I was driving it daily, whenever I drove some other car, I'd be stabbing the dash with my left hand out of habit. ;-)



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Post# 5334-9/17/2001-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter - that final spray rinse picture was the best of the bunch, the water sliding up the sides of the stainless steel spin tub is very cool. I tried to get a shot of the water churning up through the outlet holes on the top of the tub, but I couldn't quite get it timed just right.

I had most of the parts I needed from when we made that haul from Rockford, IL. I found the water seal here at my service treasure trove/parts store. I also found another SS tub just like in the '54 and a black bakelite agitator with the high vanes like the alum. original. A couple of drain tub/pump hoses and the like were found here too.

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Post# 5335-9/17/2001-14:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: Greg, you're giving me goose bumps with all this extra parts excitement.

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Post# 5336-9/17/2001-15:49 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: Maybe you can make a audio recording of the starter seeing as how the classic chyrsler starts are wo well, classic =)

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Post# 5337-9/17/2001-15:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: I'll see what I can do. Typically I've found car sounds to be exceedingly hard to capture accurately on tape. The human ear tends to screen out all sorts of distracting noise that the microphone seems to amplify. I'm assuming I can also figure out how to get the sound card on my computer to accept the output from a portable tape recorder...



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Post# 5338-9/17/2001-16:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: Rich, you're gonna love this. I finally got all the pieces together. There was a lawyer family two doors down from us that had a pair of matching red '63 Valients--4-doors. Those suckers took forever to get started in the morining. That classic Chrysler starter. What memories. This was also the house, as older members will recognize, that had the coral pink waste king kitchen, with the dishwasher that was like our 59 model, maybe it was 59 model appliances put in a house built in late 1960.

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Post# 5339-9/17/2001-16:50 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: And I know why those Valiants refused to start. Those motors - both the sixes and the eights - had heat riser valves, or butterfly valves built into the exhaust manifold. On the sixes, at least, the butterfly would close when the engine was cold. This would direct heat up against the bottom of the intake manifold, helping to atomize the gas. If all worked as designed, then the cars would start easily and have a smooth idle. But, typically, exhaust deposits would freeze up the valve. Usually this left it in the wide open position. So the cars would take forever to warm up. And typically such an engine would also have a defective automatic choke, so between the two those engines would be very hard to start. Almost every used neglected slant six or 60s mopar V8 motor I see has a frozen heat riser valve. It's ridiculously easy to fix, if nothing is broken and the return spring is still intact. Chrysler dealers sell a little spray can of special penetrating oil/lube that doesn't carbon up in high heat. A few squirts, let her sit over night, then work it manually in the morning (hey cut that out) and it would be nice and loose and free. It's lost art, and some good deals can be had on older mopars from owners who are fed up with the hard starting and they don't know why. The valves have to be sprayed once or twice a year to keep them free-moving. If one does that, those motors are among the best the USA has ever produced.

Looks like sometime in the 70's Chrysler abandoned the heat riser valve design and went to shrouds and intake tubes and a lot of other smog-related stuff. Less HP as well.

Later,

Rich




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Post# 5340-9/17/2001-17:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New old appliance hauler (No matter what may be your lot in life...)
MESSAGE: Rich, right, I could see some attorney & his former-beauty-padgent wife doing that with their exhaust valves & such in the mornings in Houston. What a hoot that would have been.

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Post# 5341-9/17/2001-19:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The 54 Speed Queen Is Finally Ready!!
MESSAGE: There are a few "extra" parts, but a lot of them are orphans that need machines!

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Post# 5342-9/17/2001-19:45 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Where are all the console lights?)
MESSAGE: Speaking of console lights, why is it that ALL (American) manufacturers have eliminated the flourscent console light on their machines? The last more recent year to us a light was on the Amana (1994) which had the light on its TOL unit and as an option upgrade to 'lighten the load' (as the advertisement stated) on a few of their lower units. Also, the TOL electronic Kenmore a few years back had the console light and did away with it. Im guessing (like DUH..!!) that it has something to do with the machines overall energy usage. Is this a correct guess? I really loved the various console lighting...it really added character along with great functionality. Anyones thoughts on this?

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Post# 5343-9/17/2001-21:11 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Washing the Flag ?!?)
MESSAGE: I am told that a Flag should never be washed- if it becomes dirty, or torn, it should be respectfuly retired, & replaced.

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Post# 5344-9/17/2001-22:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Where are all the console lights?)
MESSAGE: Lenny, it's all part of educing costs. That it plain & simple.

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Post# 5345-9/17/2001-22:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Washing the Flag ?!?)
MESSAGE: Robert, I was taught the same thing. And to not let it touch the ground.

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Post# 5346-9/17/2001-00:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Washing the Flag ?!?)
MESSAGE: There was a story on the radio news today about this very subject. Our flag is considered to be a living entity or symbol of a country that is a living entity itself. Retiring a flag is done by burning. Usually the local VFW chapter will do this for you if you have no means of burning it. Just call them and ask. In our flag kits, there has always been a guide on displaying and caring for the flag. Of course I don't have this....

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Post# 5347-9/17/2001-00:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: I moved the Speed Queen downstairs last night and washed a load of clean rags. What a fun washer this is! It still needs a couple of fine tuning adjustments, but it runs very nicely. I had some continuing water valve problems from the other night so I put in a new one before moving it down. Turns out, there is no overflow wash, but there are 2, 30 second spin sprays in the first spin immediately followed by the rinse fill which runs for 6 minutes, 2.5 min. of which is agitated. There is one more 30 sec. spin spray in the final spin.

Here are some pics of the first load in the Queen.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/vwp?.dir=/1954+Speed+Queen+A12c&.dnm=Together+At+Last.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 5348-9/17/2001-00:58 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Respecting the flag)
MESSAGE: Sorry, guys, but I think all that stuff about folding the flag, touching the ground, washing, etc, is a bunch of superstitious totemic pseudo religious bunk that is not national law (thank God). It may be fine for the military, which is free to make regulations about how tight you make your bed, but this is MY flag and I feel I treated it with the utmost respect and honor by renewing it and flying it proudly in front of my house. If anyone has a problem with that they can look at some of the old newsreels of Nazi flag-worship ceremonies and rethink the concept. This is the land of the free, the home of the brave, and that means to me a land without completely unecessary regulations about such things. In a world where our enemies burn the flag, we have better things to worry about than how we honor it.



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Post# 5349-9/17/2001-01:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Respecting the flag)
MESSAGE: My flag is hanging outside not illuminated as the brochure states it should be. Simply displaying the flag is an act of patriotism whether you follow all the rules to the letter or not. Nobody is judging you, we are simply having a conversation! If some people choose to follow the guidelines as an act of their patriotism and respect for it's symbols, they do not ever deserve to be compared to Nazis - that was rude.

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Post# 5350-9/17/2001-01:50 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: Those new pics really were fantastic, Ganski! They really made my day. What a beautiful pair they are side by side.

Though I really dont like the idea of beautiful pairs at the moment personally, as long as they are white metal and square...

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Post# 5351-9/17/2001-01:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Respecting the flag)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry if my treatment of the flag or my comments offended anyone. But I find the whole body of flag ritual to be rather strange and off-putting. If these "rules" were made law then I would probably never fly the flag. I am a civilian not a military person. I come from a generation that would sooner burn the flag than fly it, and at the same time made it a fashion statement (although I never trashed, burnt or wore it). I choose to fly it to honor those innocents who died in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania, and to the troops who will avenge their deaths. This flag was not deteriorated in any way except for a few minor stains. I could see the wisdom of not washing older cotton or wool flags, because the colors would probably run. This was a 100% synthetic flag and the washing improved it rather than diminished it. If that's against the rules then the rule book is obsolete.



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Post# 5352-9/18/2001-02:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: WOW!  What a fabulous pair!

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Post# 5353-9/18/2001-03:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Woo Hoo! POD again (now I can print it!))
MESSAGE: I love the look of those machines!! All those buttons certainly switch me on!!!

Its a shame not many machines these days have buttons, they all look the same with a row of dials. Thats one reason why I like front loaders, their control panels have interesting combinations of dials and buttons.

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Post# 5354-9/18/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: My what a fabulous Queen you have there Greg. I can't wait to come down for a visit and do some wash in her!

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Post# 5355-9/18/2001-07:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (What An Honor)
MESSAGE: I can't think of a higher honor for a flag, that is lucky enough, to get washed by an Applianceviller. Talk about well treatment!

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Post# 5356-9/18/2001-07:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (buttons)
MESSAGE: Maytag Atlantis & Neptune has a combination of buttons and a timer knob. Is that the last of the mechanical buttons? There's lots of machines with electronic buttons. Hetties, Neptune, Calypso, Fisher & Paykel, the TOL GE. The list goes on.


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Post# 5357-9/18/2001-07:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (correction)
MESSAGE: ARGH! I said Neptunes have mechanical buttons. oops. Bad info, they're electronic.

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Post# 5358-9/18/2001-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the flag (Respecting the flag)
MESSAGE: As a child, I can remember my grandfather raising the flag every morning and bringing it in every night with an amazing amount of pride and genuine patriotism having lived through WWI, the Great Depression and WWII. For whatever reason we are flying or method of caring for our flags, the most important thing is that we can stand together against the evil brought upon us a week ago.

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Post# 5359-9/18/2001-07:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: Greg, I gotta ask this ignorant question since I wasn't there to observe the entire rinse cycle--did the sudsy rinse ever get clear before it went to throw out the water?

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Post# 5360-9/18/2001-08:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: It's not an ignorant question - I thought about putting a note about that on the picture or the posting, but didn't. The first 3.5 minutes of the rinse cycle were just fill time. I would say the tub was full in about 2 to 2.5 minutes and then it continued to fill making the overflow portion about 1.5 minutes, then agitation began while the water continued to flow for another 1.5 minutes. The last 30 seconds of the rinse agitation was without water fill. By that last 30 seconds, the water was surprisingly clear. I was pretty skeptical when I saw all those suds at the beginning. Those rags are tough customers for a washer anyway, they had been washed and double rinsed in the 1-18 over the weekend and still the water was somewhat murky in the wash and since the bulk of them are terry cloth and entirely cotton, they are even more difficult to rinse completely.

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Post# 5361-9/18/2001-09:23 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: what was the original problem with the "queens"?

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Post# 5362-9/18/2001-09:27 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (transmissions)
MESSAGE: What about the "Dependable Drive"?It was produced to replace the Helical drive with only 3 moving parts.

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Post# 5363-9/18/2001-09:33 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (transmissions)
MESSAGE: That is the Orbital tranny.

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Post# 5364-9/18/2001-10:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (still helical after all these years)
MESSAGE: The "dependable care" transmission still used the helical DRIVE to DRIVE the tranny. The drive/clutch/brake mechanism is completely separate from the transmission that only produces agitation in the Maytag. If you take the front off the Maytag, you'll see very little action during agitation, but a whole helluva lot of action during spin. During agitation all action is within the tranny, but during spin, the tranny is disengaged by the drive system and spins along with the wash tub at spin speed. The helical drive controls this process.

Look at it this way:

In the Maytag beginning, there was the first transmission. (I think we generally refer to these machines as AMP's, altho' I think of the AMP's as a general category of Maytags with the flotation water level control. By that definition, I think there are later model "AMP" machines with helical drive).

Then came the Helical drive system. The tranny itself remained about the same, but the drive system to run the tranny was radically changed. However, for this period of Maytag history -- the longest period so far -- we refer to this as a helical drive or helical tranny machine because both remained virtually unchanged.

Then, in the mid 1980's when cost cutting was a big thing, along with WP's quick, short stroke agitation, Maytag came out with the orbital transmission. The orbital tranny still used the helical drive, but because the transmission was the radical change, we refer to these machines as the orbital machines.

Then came the Norgetag. It first appeared in the Performa series while the mainstream Maytags had the orbital transmission. Then then swapped places with the orbital machines, and now the Performas and the coin-ops are orbital, an original Maytag product, and the premier Maytag Atlantis models are Norge based machines.

Hope this helps. If I can find a scanner, I can get some stuff posted on this to help clarify.

-ph

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Post# 5365-9/18/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (still helical after all these years)
MESSAGE: We know this Peter. We were talking about the tranny.

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Post# 5366-9/18/2001-11:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (still helical after all these years)
MESSAGE: oops... Then what did I miss? I though Laundromat was confused about the helical and the dependable...

-ph

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Post# 5367-9/18/2001-12:46 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (still helical after all these years)
MESSAGE: Your absolutely right Peter, except that the AMP models always used a solenoid to shift between agitation and spin, AMP machines never incorporated the Helical drive. It was when they changed to the new perforated basket transmission and reversing motor (first introduced in '56 and become standard in '58) that the helical drive was introduced as a means of switching from agitation to spin to brake.

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Post# 5368-9/18/2001-13:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Once upon a time
MESSAGE: There was a lonely old Maytag. This maytag was lonely because nobody liked him. He was a 1970 model, avocado green, console light and all, but still nobody liked him. Among his peers, he was a loser. His tranny never worked right and couldn't extract worth a darn. The other washers laughed at him at the appliance store. His unhappy owners called him countless names and curses. The repairman (yes, the Maytag repairman) came out and said "He's a lemon, throw him out". So, he was thrown out with the rest of the garbage when he stopped working. Now here he sits in the junkpile. His lid wide open, trash collecting in the tub and his hoses ripped off and put to use somewhere else. Poor little Maytag, waiting for the crusher to turn him into a Coke can.

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Post# 5369-9/18/2001-14:17 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time
MESSAGE: LOL! Good one!

Just wondering though, how could he be a lemon if he's avocado?

How could he be a Coke can if he's mostly steel?

What possible uses could a set of 1970 hoses be put to, besides public floggings in Kabul?

These are riddles that perhaps even the Maytag repairman has no answer for!




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Post# 5370-9/18/2001-14:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time (answers)
MESSAGE: 1. Cars aren't lemons but they're called lemons when they break.
2. They ran out of steel at the plant so they used aluminum.
3. It was a bunch of foreigners that bought the hoses.

Here's what a Maytag repairman told me: "It's funny when somebody throws a washer away but it's not funny when someone rejects you and no one else likes you."

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Post# 5371-9/18/2001-14:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time (too deep)
MESSAGE: Jeez! You guys are just too deep! Jasonl, just go get the machine already! Put a new belt on it and tighten up the motor mount and it should work!

-ph

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Post# 5372-9/18/2001-14:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time
MESSAGE: I'll save the Maytag!!! They can always be made to work.

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Post# 5373-9/18/2001-15:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Today I brought home a KDS-56A in coppertone. Well the sides are coppertone, the front was painted with almond house paint that will be taken off and then the front will be repainted black to match the kitchen. Pictures will follow soon.

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Post# 5374-9/18/2001-15:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Cool Jason, that's a neat ol' Superba.

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Post# 5375-9/18/2001-15:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time (Any washer can be made to work)
MESSAGE: Any washer can be made to work! Be it Frigidaire, Maytag, Whirlpool, Kelvinator or Apex. Too bad I learned that lesson a little too late for the Apex.

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Post# 5376-9/18/2001-16:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: A 56-Series? When was that? My parents have a KDI-17A, which is from around 1975. My Superba is a 22-Series from 1991/1992.

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Post# 5377-9/18/2001-16:26 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: NorgeTag 'Atlantis' Dual-Drive Turbo Rinse!!!
MESSAGE: Does anyone know anything about the drive on the Atlantis Maytag? I know it's called a 'dual-drive'. Appliance Magazine states the 'dual-drive' tranny is 'based on a single axis' and therefore easy to assemble. Does 'dual-drive' refer to some type of dual actuating on the agitator by the gearing mechanism? Also, on this 'NorgeTag' Atlantis, does the entire tranny rotate with the spin cycle OR does the tranny remain fixed and energize a spin tube or flange connected to the basket? I'm really curious about this mechanism since I am now using an Atlantis (Great washing action by the way)!!
Also, while I'm asking, does anyone know what Maytag is referring to when they state "Turbo-Rinse" system on their Atlantis? The rinse cycle seems to be just a traditional deep agitated rinse. Is there a difference perhaps in a speedier drain mechanism or something???
Thanks for any input.
Lenny

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Post# 5378-9/18/2001-16:30 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: I think jason got himself a portable/convertible. If it was just a undercounter it would be KDS-16.....around the late 60's. It's older than he is!

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Post# 5379-9/18/2001-16:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Glenn, don't quote me on this, but I think that numbering scheme is for portables. I just learned about this when visiting my friend Roger a few weeks ago, who has a Superba portable, model KDS-58. I'm thinking maybe the last digit corresponds, i.e KDS-58 portable is equal to a KDS-18 builtin.

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Post# 5380-9/18/2001-17:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Glenn, didn't you receive a copy of the History of KA from you-know-who? It's in there.

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Post# 5381-9/18/2001-17:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: NorgeTag 'Atlantis' Dual-Drive Turbo Rinse!!!
MESSAGE: Lenny, the only thing I can respond to you about is "Turbo Rinse" It's simiply a marketing ploy/term to sound fancy for the spin-spray rinse that is between the wash & rinse cycle on the Whites cycle (which also agitates at fast speed). It's my understanding, the spin/spray rinse on the Colors cycle is after the deep rinse, which agitates on the gentle speed. Both are 6 minutes long. If you don't know this, on the Whites cycle, the 2nd rinse is 3 minutes & agitates on gentle.

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Post# 5382-9/18/2001-17:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: NorgeTag 'Atlantis' Dual-Drive Turbo Rinse!!!
MESSAGE: Lenny, this info is based on my memory from a discussion from our old Yahoo club with a member who didn't transfer to here, but had an Atlantis washer.

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Post# 5383-9/18/2001-18:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: DUH! (thwacks self in head)  Thanks, Bob and Scott.

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Post# 5384-9/18/2001-18:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Oops, and thanks to Leslie as well!

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Post# 5385-9/18/2001-18:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Leslie, I would enjoy to see a copy of this item as well. I can't seem to email you these days (they come back a week later) but I'll talk to you again soon. Scott

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Post# 5386-9/18/2001-18:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Geez folks, I'm trying to make sure Leslie doesn't get abused!!!, that's why I was trying to be anonymouse as to the source.

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Post# 5387-9/18/2001-20:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Click on the link to see the picts. More will be posted as things progress.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/56A.HTML

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Post# 5388-9/18/2001-20:26 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Scott, I'll get a copy for you.

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Post# 5389-9/18/2001-20:42 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: NorgeTag 'Atlantis' Dual-Drive Turbo Rinse!!! (Atlantis Switch-o-Rama!)
MESSAGE: Hey Appnut:
Thank you for your input/info on the Atlantis. I find all this info very fascinating. I am still getting used to the Atlantis and its variations of speeds. If I dont select a cycle modification such as 'super-wash' or 'gentle-wash', the Atlantis will switch agitation/spin speeds (seemingly random but probably methodically) on its own throughout the cycle. In fact, sometimes the 'extra rinse' will provide a different agitation speed along with the last 5 min of wash agitation. Its quite strange actually, but its fun to watch for sure. Again thanks for your info.

Lenny

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Post# 5390-9/18/2001-21:18 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (The Queens at home)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, The "Queen's" look very much at home in your laundry center. Is the dryer gas or electric? You sure did a great job on them. They look like new. Terry

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Post# 5391-9/18/2001-21:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member
MESSAGE: Thank you Leslie! I received your "test email" and replied to it. Let me know if you get the reply (I say this because the two emails I sent that were returned to me hung in the balance for 4-5 days with me thinking you had received them and of course you never did). I'll speak with you soon. Scott

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Post# 5392-9/18/2001-22:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Jason, that's the "mobile" version of the Superba dishwasher that's still going strong across the street from my parents. This is the same household that had the 57 Westy Imperial and the Windsor Grey Hotpoint TouchCommand dryer.

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Post# 5393-9/18/2001-22:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: NorgeTag 'Atlantis' Dual-Drive Turbo Rinse!!! (Atlantis Switch-o-Rama!)
MESSAGE: Lenny, on Whites & Colors, if Superwash isn't selected, it shifts to gentle agitation at the "light" wash/soil section of the timer. Gentle wash gives you a slow spin speed and will cancel out super wash capability.

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Post# 5394-9/18/2001-23:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Looks very nice Jason - I always liked the buttons higher up on the panel. How is the mechanics of the machine? The inside looks pretty good, how are the racks?

Is that Weatherbeater paint on the front? It will be beautiful in gloss black!

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Post# 5395-9/18/2001-23:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: They were sitting idle for 25 years, give or take, in the appliance shop on display for "novelty" purposes. The dryer wasn't bad, a thorough cleaning, some belts and a lube job. The washer needed everything rubber (tub boot, hoses, belts, etc.) replaced, a new set of bearings and a water valve and some sealing around the fill flume/tub. I think there is more work to be done on the fill flume as I'm not happy with how it sprays onto the metal clothes guard too much causing water spray clear across the room.

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Post# 5396-9/18/2001-23:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (The Queens at home)
MESSAGE: Thanks Terry - the dryer is gas. I was concerned about the whole gas valve & burner assembly, but it works perfectly. I had one faint leak when I first hooked it up, but that was my own fault for not sealing a joint properly and then forgetting about it in my haste to have it running. All is going will now, it's a slow, hot dryer (as most were in this era) but it works well and does have a variable temp range which helps slow down the baking and scorching a lot!

Hope all is well with you - how do you like that GE Vacuum from Robert?

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Post# 5397-9/18/2001-23:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: I got to play with a NorgeTag today
MESSAGE: I was over at a friend's house and her mom was doing laundry. Curiosity got the best of me. I had to see the washing machine. They have a Maytag pair with the Norge mechanism. "Need Help?" I gleefully asked. "Sure! can you put these in and start the washer". OH BEHAVE! (Don't anyone dare tell Whirly or he'll blow a coupler). Well, I loaded her up and started the machine. I have to say, they're quiet running machines. Quieter than my whirly and during spin, all I heard was the "whooshhhhhh" of the tub going around. From the little experience I had with the NorgeTag it sounds, looks, and feels like a quality machine. I didn't get brave enough to lid the lid and stick my finger on the switch to watch.

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Post# 5398-9/18/2001-23:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Well.....it's paint. I knew the original owner of the machine but she left us years ago, ok she died years ago, her mind left decades ago.( I had to do some repairs/rewiring on the house today and in the fuse box there is a huge note that says " DO NOT STICK FINGER IN AN EMPTY FUSE SOCKET") Anyway she used the machine very little but when she died the house was sold and the new owners did not use the machine partly because it was too loud for them and also there was a tupperware lid melted over and around the heated dry stack. Other than some leftover plastic in the bottom, the inside is perfect. The racks are not worn at all and they glide so smoothly.

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Post# 5399-9/18/2001-23:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today
MESSAGE: HEHEH You think Whirly shakes the place.....put a Maytag or GE in there. It will be like a 8.9 earthquake.

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Post# 5400-9/18/2001-00:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (shakes)
MESSAGE: I thought Maytag would've been smoother. I haven't seen one in a mobile home yet but sitting on concrete it's smooth as glass.

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Post# 5401-9/18/2001-00:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (GE shaking)
MESSAGE: I do know about GE shaking because my grandmother lived in a house with a plywood floor and her 60s GE danced with me all over the laundry room. Man did it make a helluva noise too. BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG

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Post# 5402-9/19/2001-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful set Greg! Two beautiful jewels. I bet you keep these.

Louis

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Post# 5403-9/19/2001-02:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Jason, cute dishwasher. Could you take a picture of the control panel? Are you going to use it regurarly? Louis

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Post# 5404-9/19/2001-06:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Luigi, the 4 buttons on the left bank are heavy soil, normal wash, sani wash, & rinse & hold. That's the daily use bank. The "party" bank was cancel/drain, light soil, and now the last button slips my memory--maybe plate warmer. The lights on the left side were pre-wash, wash, rinse, sani (for the delay in the last rinse to heat the water to 180 degrees), and dry. Bob. It's only been a minimum of 20 years since I last looked at this control panel.

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Post# 5405-9/19/2001-06:31 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Greg, when starting a wash cycle, does the main drive motor run while the tub is filling? Subsequently pumping out a small amount of overflow water near the end of the time fill? Or is the machine just filling and after the elapsed fill time, does the motor & mechanism power up? These machines are very 'pretty'. You can just visualize June Cleaver with her pearl necklace doing the wash in 'style'. Very neat....

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Post# 5406-9/19/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (still helical after all these years)
MESSAGE: And you could buy an AM, the automatic machine without the pump. The AMP was the only Maytag automatic that could be used with a floor drain and the AM with gravity drain had to be used with some sort of low drain like a floor drain. I would imagine that the AM is almost the rarest of Maytag automatics by now.

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Post# 5407-9/19/2001-06:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time
MESSAGE: Coke cans are aluminum. Most of the Maytag was steel. A car part maybe? Another washer?

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Post# 5408-9/19/2001-06:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (Spray Queen)
MESSAGE: "sprays across the room." Like the first GE V-12 machines? I finally substituted the fill flume from a later model that sprays more to the side, but kept the original in a bag that stays with the machine.

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Post# 5409-9/19/2001-06:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (that's strange)
MESSAGE: Tom why couldn't other solid basket machines be used with a floor drain too, such as a Beam, Frigidaire, Hotpoint, ABC-O-Matic, etc?

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Post# 5410-9/19/2001-07:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Norge
MESSAGE: A Happy and Healthy New Year to Everyone. Yesterday as I crept along the Beltway in "Rush Hour" for the first time since Yom Kippur, I came up beside a car with a license plate that read "NORGE." I looked at the solitary male driver in it, but did not see anything out of the ordinary about him. Norge is Danish for Norway. Maybe he is from there. Maybe he likes Norge appliances. Now that would be a case study that could go on for years. The car was white, like maybe "white goods."

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Post# 5411-9/19/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (that's strange)
MESSAGE: Robert, many soild tub machines with timed fill or a type of fill that was metered like the Maytag's could. CU used to have a column, maybe last seen in the 58 washer report with the heading "can be used with floor drain" and yes or no for each machine tested. I just said that the AM and AMP were the only MAYTAG Automatics that could be used with a floor drain. Shanah Tovah

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Post# 5412-9/19/2001-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I've been to several sales that had little notes and visual aids on the appliances for operation by someone that didn't see well or understand the markings on the dials.

I wondered what was up with the heater outlet - looked like it was gone. What a great find!

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Post# 5413-9/19/2001-07:25 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: TV ADS FOR HETTIE
MESSAGE: Last night I saw ads on Lifetime and Animal Planet (Animal Channel?) for the new Hettie. Pretty good shot of red garments tumbling in suds, although very small load. Maybe suds would not be a visible with large load. Enjoyable ad overall.

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Post# 5414-9/19/2001-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (Spray Queen)
MESSAGE: I've looked through the SQ service manuals and there were numerous methods of filling the machines through the early to mid 50's and it looks like I'll need to keep hunting for some parts in order to change it. I did find a couple of flumes that would work nicely, but they are from GE's and are too short to get over that SQ clothes guard on top of the tub.

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Post# 5415-9/19/2001-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge
MESSAGE: Happy New year, Tom!



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Post# 5416-9/19/2001-07:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (Duh)
MESSAGE: Oh, I get it, sorry, I'm on my first cup of coffee yet. Thanks Tom, Shanah Tovah to you too.

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Post# 5417-9/19/2001-07:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (Quick get the smelling salts)
MESSAGE: DO WHAT TO HER? While your at it Greg, can you convert her to a large capacity, perforated tub Speed Queen too LOLOLOL!

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Post# 5418-9/19/2001-07:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (YAY)
MESSAGE: YAY, Happy New Year!

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Post# 5419-9/19/2001-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (Quick get the smelling salts)
MESSAGE: Now stop with all that! There is so much water that hits the clothes guard if the tub isn't centered perfectly after spin (or you can push the tub toward the left back to clear the ring) the water sprays all over the inside, out of the top and a lot gets wasted by not making it into the wash tub.

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Post# 5420-9/19/2001-07:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: The motor runs during the entire wash fill, but only starts after 2 minutes of the rinse fill have elapsed.

Unfortunately, my pears were ruined when they were caught in a wringer! That's why we decided to invest in an automatic. ;-)

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Post# 5421-9/19/2001-07:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: oops, pearls

Who doesn't love a pearl necklace!

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Post# 5422-9/19/2001-08:05 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: What about the matching bracelet. How chic!

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Post# 5423-9/19/2001-08:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TV ADS FOR HETTIE (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: My latest Cooking Light arrived yesterday. It had a Hettie ad. Said it spins at 72 mph.

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Post# 5424-9/19/2001-08:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge
MESSAGE: Happy New Year Tom.

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Post# 5425-9/19/2001-08:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: I guess those were pearls of wisdom, converting from wringer to automatic. At least y0ou didn't "arm the wringer". (Sorry Rich, couldn't help it, I was just too overcome with puns--nothing personal).

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Post# 5426-9/19/2001-08:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge
MESSAGE: Well, with that license plate, it makes that car a Nortag !!! LOL

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Post# 5427-9/19/2001-08:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (pears)
MESSAGE: Thank heavens for the typo and that you were talking about pearls. I was imagining a horrible pubescent maiming when they were just the size of pears.

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Post# 5428-9/19/2001-08:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (buttons)
MESSAGE: Luigi, now that I'm on my 3rd cup of coffee, I better remember button order, from left to right. Full Cycle, Heavy Soil, Sani Wash (which was like Heavvy Soil, but with 180 degree final rinse), and Rinse & Hold. Then the right 3 were light soil, plate warmer, & cancel/drain.

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Post# 5429-9/19/2001-08:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (pears)
MESSAGE: No, I recognized immediately the typo--relating to June Cleaver. Knew he meant pearls.

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Post# 5430-9/19/2001-08:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge
MESSAGE: Tom and others, Shana Tova!

Perhaps he is from Norway AND likes Norge appliances.

Louis

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Post# 5431-9/19/2001-08:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Noise(s))
MESSAGE: Jason, yes, I always thought of that dishwasher sounding like a freight train running through the kitchen. Quiet it was not. But, it has that famouse pump sucking sound that I so dearly love, not only toward the end of the drain but also as it's beginning to fill up again. Ahhhh, such memories. But again, I was never really impressed with that dishwasher--even when brand spanking new. Even on Heavy Soil, it didn't deal with a pan used to boil rice in as well as our 68 Waste King or the 73 RotoRack. And thought to myself, and this is supposed to be the best dishwasher on the market. I don't think so, when it comes to cleaning--our cheaper dishwasshers had better results. That perpetuated my bias against KA until they came out with the multi-level, load-as-you-like design. (Which I might ad, had started "desgning" myself on paper at the age of 10.

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Post# 5432-9/19/2001-08:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (buttons)
MESSAGE: Sani was like Full Cycle with heated final rinse. Heavy Soil gave an extra rinse in the early part of the cycle. The Superbas were the only machines that gave 3 after rinses, from the 14s through the 18s that I know of and the last rinse was only a 1 gallon fill from the 15s on to speed heating if Sani was selected.

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Post# 5433-9/19/2001-08:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge
MESSAGE: And to you, Louis. Thank you all for the wishes. Well, he would have been a sweet new year's treat with all of those qualities as well as being easy on the eyes. I just love eye candy.

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Post# 5434-9/19/2001-08:46 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (I wonder why)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I wonder why Speed Queen engineers didn't redesign the fill flume right away? Obviously they must have seen this happen overspray happening during their tests, and Consumer Reports confirmed that the SQ was particularly splashy. Who knows what they were thinking.

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Post# 5435-9/19/2001-08:47 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (OUCH)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, I'm so sorry to hear about your pears. That sounds like it must have been very painful.

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Post# 5436-9/19/2001-08:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (buttons)
MESSAGE: Tom, I won't dispute you. It's just that I remember the cycle chart from the manual seeming like the HS & Sani werre only differentiated by the heated rinse. Now, for the Heavy Soil, that early extra rinse was actually the initial pre-wash that was skipped by the full cycle--timer advancing. That first fill on HS was only a 1-minute fill-like on the Sani-Rinse, and I thought, what waste of detergent. If I used the HS cycle, I'd wait and add detergent to the open cup after that initial partial fill as I called it.

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Post# 5437-9/19/2001-09:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Greg's POD
MESSAGE: Is today's stylish and fashion-snappy POD the washer model Greg just found?

-ph

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Post# 5438-9/19/2001-09:06 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Greg's POD
MESSAGE: I think Greg's Hotpoint is a year or two older.

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Post# 5439-9/19/2001-09:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag's helical drive (it AM a Maytag)
MESSAGE: Didn't our old Yahoo friend Buick9 find an AM?

-ph

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Post# 5440-9/19/2001-09:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Age)
MESSAGE: The timer says Jan 17, 1971

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Post# 5441-9/19/2001-09:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Age)
MESSAGE: And as they say, time marches on. At least now, we can rapid-advance through time.

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Post# 5442-9/19/2001-09:54 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Noise(s))
MESSAGE: It will be insulated very well before I bring it inside. A combination of auto insulaton and expandable foam.

I don't know if I will make it a built in or not. Being that I am the only one who loads the dishwahser I don't see any reason why there should be any problems cleaning. I prefer to wash the pots and pans by hand anyway.

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Post# 5443-9/19/2001-10:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (crack spackling, anyone?)
MESSAGE: Or maybe in reference to a Saturday Night Live skit, when the Norge repair guy (Dan Ackroyd) arrived at the Loopner's home to fix Edith's (Jane Curtain) Norge refrigerator. When Mr. Norge Guy bent over to examen said refrigerator, he basically mooned the audience and most of late night American TV watchers. Tom, could you tell, if the driver of the aforementioned Norge car bent over, would we all be giggling and making comments about "NORGE"?

-ph

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Post# 5444-9/19/2001-10:01 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (NorgeTag Whoooshhh)
MESSAGE: Jason1:
Your story of 'helping' to do the laundry at your friends house is SO funny - And, it remindes me of myself! I have helped do people's laundry over my years and I always enjoyed it so much to use different washers! (what an 'odd' interest)!
With your friends 'NorgeTag', what model is it? Is it the feature-loaded MAV8600 or a lower model? I am having a blast washing EVERYTHING in sight in my MAV8600! I am thrilled with its wash-action. It is very throrough with the 155 stroke. When you mention the 'Whooooshhhh' sound on the spin cycle, I believe that is the high output poly pump reaching the last of the water throw. Its a powerfull sound and eventually evens out to a steady droan. I agree that the Atlantis is a very quite machine. However, the TOL MAV8600 has thick insulation under the cabinet to reduce sound called 'super quiet plus'.
Again, my one main complaint thus far is that you CANT just put your finger on the lid switch to watch her work. There is a very tricky, hidden mechanism in the 'crease' of the lid opening that requires a contortionist to activate manually (and quite uncomfortably I might add)! Otherwise shes a 'NorgeTag' gem.
PS: My MAV8600 spins smooth as a top, no rattling or shaking of my tiled bathroom floor or windows! Could'nt be happier except for maybe a F.& P.!

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Post# 5445-9/19/2001-10:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (crack spackling, anyone?)
MESSAGE: Let's not make him the potential butt of our jokes. And remember, that Norge fridge always had plenty of egg salad sandwitches & tang available.

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Post# 5446-9/19/2001-10:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (pears)
MESSAGE: My! "Just the size of pears" on a pre-teen? Sounds like he'll have a lucretive career in films...

-ph

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Post# 5447-9/19/2001-10:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Very Scary News
MESSAGE: I am sorry to use this forum this way, but it is the fastest way that I can try to educate many people that I care about. I have just attended a talk about Hepatitis C, a very dangerous type of the disease. Many people got infected thru IV drug use and transfusions. There was no antibody test before the early 90s. Many people who have it do not know that they have it and the damage is accumulating to their liver, pancreas and other organs. More than 70% of the people who get infected with this become chronically infected which leads to end stage liver disease or cancer of the liver. Liver transplants can be reinfected because the disease has reservoirs in other organs, even the brain. The most frightening thing I heard was about tatooing. Even if the instruments are properly sterilized, the virus survives in the ink and if you know anything about the process, there are repeated applications from the ink to the skin, anyone of which could transfer virus. IF you are going to get a tatoo, bring your own ink and maybe even needles. I sat and listened to this and was almost physically ill from the onslaught of bad news. The doctor who presented this talk is from Georgetown University and is an authority on this. Please, please friends, be very careful. I want us all to be around and well for a long, long time. Read up on this. There are treatments that sometimes can eradicate the virus from the body for varying amounts of time. In the most successful cases, it does not come back. It is spread by blood to blood transmission. It is not spread like A or B, but there is no vaccine for it and it mutates and has many strains like HIV. Sorry if this is overreacting, but with all the losses to HIV fueled in part by ignorance, I just wanted to put this before you because this group is precious to me. Tom

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Post# 5448-9/19/2001-10:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (crack spackling, anyone?)
MESSAGE: No, this was in no way an Ackroyd-esque person, like I said, eye candy; maybe not everyone's favorite flavor, but certainly candy for the eyes.

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Post# 5449-9/19/2001-10:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (NorgeTag Whoooshhh)
MESSAGE: Lenny, glad your drain can handle the high output pump. Norges offered a reduction fitting for the pump outlet/drain hose connection for years for homes where the fast discharge caused water to back up and overflow from standpipes.

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Post# 5450-9/19/2001-10:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (pears)
MESSAGE: Pubescent does not necessarily limit the age to preteen and besides pears come in varying sizes. And what a headline: Budding talent flattened by a wringer.

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Post# 5451-9/19/2001-10:29 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Very Scary News
MESSAGE: Yes, Tom, how well I know. I have a friend who was seriously ill in the mid 1970s, had transfusions, and just this year discovered she has th disease because she finally gained enough weight to be able to donate blood & that's how she found out. It bothers me so much about this fad of tattooing, it's not worth the risk, and have know about that for a while.

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Post# 5452-9/19/2001-10:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (buttons)
MESSAGE: Thank you Bob, I'm quite impressed by how many control panels and cycles are inside that head of yours LOL.

Luigi

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Post# 5453-9/19/2001-10:34 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (buttons)
MESSAGE: You're welcome Louis. My favorite cycle on this machine was Light Soil. It skipped through one or two of the pre-washes and shortened the main wash cycle time by advancing a bit through it in the middle of it, plus it skipped the final (3rd) rinse that was used for the Sani-heat & skipped the portion of the dry cycle which KA called "dwell", essentially the fan wasn't on, right into the dry portion that started the forced-air fan. Lots of little ticks of the timer on this one. SIGH!!!

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Post# 5454-9/19/2001-10:44 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (NorgeTag discharge capacity)
MESSAGE: Tom:
No problems with the high-output drain flow. I have a specially designed 'alcove' for the laundry and had that specialized 'plumbing-box' installed behind the washer. It holds a single lever valve and a build in waste port. The plumbing is the code-width pvc (maybe about 3" diameter). Anyway, I could see how some older plumbing stand-pipes might have a flow-rate capacity problem with this NorgeTag.

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Post# 5455-9/19/2001-10:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I got to play with a NorgeTag today (it wasn't Atlantis)
MESSAGE: I don't know the model # but it was a Performa I think but it was the Norge descendant. Awesome machine I might say. The washing action is nice and soothing, not abrupt and rythmic as a D/D Whirly. come to think of it, that pump sounded like it was kickin' out a helluva lot of water down that pipe.

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Post# 5456-9/19/2001-11:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Once upon a time (yeah, I know)
MESSAGE: It was analogy anyway. If the poor Maytag was real, I'd have saved him already.

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Post# 5457-9/19/2001-11:35 ||| Peterh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Saving Private KitchenAid
MESSAGE: Atlanta is a big KitchenAid town, and I find many too many in my hunting trips. Which models are the keepers and which should be Krusher bound? Dishwashers are not my forte', so all opinions welcome.

-ph

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Post# 5458-9/19/2001-11:39 ||| Peterh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Washer water heating
MESSAGE: I just had this thought: What protection is around an internal heater in FL washers that protects it from items protruding through the wash basket, such as underwires, jewelry, nails and screws? I'm thinking about the Hettie being owned by the absent minded contruction worker whose wife is negligent in emptying out pockets, so the 4 inch nails work themselves thru the wash basket perforations and tear up the outer tub...

-ph


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Post# 5459-9/19/2001-11:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Saving Private KitchenAid
MESSAGE: I'm still on a hunt for a KDS-18 or 20. hint hint

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Post# 5460-9/19/2001-11:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Bob, several of the cycles on my Superba also have interesting timer behaviors, with advances at certain times to skip or shorten the various phases.

For example, Normal begins with an advance to skip the first wash (that is used on Soak, when there are three wash phases -- wash-soak / wash / rinse / wash / rinse).

Light does the same thing, but then does a very short advance after the fill to skip the temp-assured water heating. It still has a one-increment pause before washing actually begins.

Quick/Glass starts immediately at the press of the button, at the wash-soak phase. The motor runs while it fills to give a quick rinse. Then when the one-increment fill is completed, the timer does an advance to drain and goes on into the main wash, which is also shortened. I think it skips the pre-dry dwell, and the dry is shortened. And I think if energy-saver dry is selected, the dry phase is skipped completely.

The water heating phase for Sani-Rinse is timed, not temp-assured (I wonder why is that?), so there is an advance involved whenever that option is not selected.

I'm not 100% sure on all these details, but will check it out when I get a chance.

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Post# 5461-9/19/2001-12:16 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Birthday Thanks
MESSAGE: Hi to you all

Thanks for your "40th Birthday Wishes", just about survived the bash!!!

Had about 166 family and friends together at the town Hall ( first time for everything)jazz swing band first part & disco later, the original disco cancelled two days before, was gonna shock em with a classy drag disco (Christana De Whore) but the silly cow got appendicitus two days before, anyway standin was brilliant.

As it does when its your party just went to quickly, even had a few guests in Scottish Kilts, and it is true what they wear underneath!!!, my mother looked at one photo and said " whoose knees are they!!!.... bless!!!

Need to collect some more photos and I`ll post at the weekend!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 5462-9/19/2001-12:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Very Scary News
MESSAGE: Tom, thank you for sharing this important information. S

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Post# 5463-9/19/2001-12:35 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn. That's really disappointing that your Sani-Rinse isn't thermostatically controlled. Some friends of mine here in big T had what I guess was the KDS17, the 1st Superba with Soak'n'Scrub. Basically looked like Jason's, but buttons were slightly lowered, SnS replaced Heavy Soil, and I believe the light was changed to Pre-Wash/SnS. They always used Light Soil, so as the timer advanced through SnS portion, the motor was turning on & off & then on again as it approached the first and only pre-wash. Also, that was when they added the two closed detergent compartment dispenser with the little indentation for the SnS.

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Post# 5464-9/19/2001-12:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Saving Private KitchenAid
MESSAGE: How many machines fit into your new truck, Jason? hint, hint! I'm afraid your truck will look like the Beverly Hillbillies' truck when you leave Atlanta next... No, I won't play Granny in my rocker up on top either!

-ph

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Post# 5465-9/19/2001-13:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Yes, I do think the 17-series was when the Soak cycle came in.  My parents' KDI-17A has it.  The soak is during the last two increments of the prewash.  The pump stops, and the timer goes into a pulse-mode that extends those two increments, normally one minute each, to 13 minutes total (I think, or maybe it's 14 minutes, 7 minutes for each increment).

As I recall (perhaps incorrectly), rinse/hold, which runs through the initial half-fill purge and then the prewash, pauses during those last two increments, but without the pulse-mode delay.  Then it drains and the timer clicks through to off in real-time.

Their 17A has two covered compartments.  There is an indention when they are closed, but it's not for detergent.  There are only two wash phases, even on Soak.  The 17-Superba had three washes?

The last increment before Off on my Superba is used on every cycle, including Rinse/Hold and Cancel.  The blower runs for 1.5 minutes.  Is there a particular reason why that's necessary for Rinse/Hold and Cancel?  Does it have to do with mechanical considerations related to not having the timer slam rapid-advance into the Off position?

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Post# 5466-9/19/2001-13:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Glenn, even on the Light Soil cycle, I distinctly remember hearing twice the mechanism used to open each detergent compartment door. I spent many a meal at that house. So, I had numerous times to hear that thing run. I didn't notice anything unusual about the arrangement, even after I'd heard the two "snaps", but after a while, I began to "investigate" and realized there were two doors plus an indentation. Same arrangement for some friends that have the KDI18 or KDI19, the first one with the reversing motor. On S&S, it heats the water 3 times.

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Post# 5467-9/19/2001-14:16 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: KUDVSS
MESSAGE: Last year at this time I was in the market for a new dishwasher. I searched and researched and for repair CONVENIENCE sake I chose a KitchenAid Superba Electronic KUDVSS model. (I custom ordered this from a builders supply vendor). It was the end of KitchenAid's Contour style with the angled-up control panel and a kickplate. The large tubs, single doors were JUST comming out but I couldnt wait for their arrival.....I HATE doing dishes that bad!
Anyway my KUDVSS is outstanding! A year later Im still thrilled with it. 'V' stands for its 'vacuum florescent tube' display module. Its got the pressure sensor mechanism along with 155 sani-rinse and 'super-wash' wash temp boost. Total stainless interior too. Its so quiet I (almost) have to touch it to hear it run!
I ALMOST went with the TOL Bosch model with the concealed controlls BUT was afraid of getting service/parts if it should need work.
Lenny

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Post# 5468-9/19/2001-15:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

A happy and healthy one from me as well!!!

How long has the Norge brand been established, and is it a totaly American brand or does it have overseas connections??

Is it just laundry & refrigeration they produce??

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 5469-9/19/2001-15:28 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Just seen the SQ vids, great job you`ve done, lovely machines...

If there is so much splashback from the fill flume can the water splash over the tub and inside the machine cabinet or is there a gasket of some sort to the top lid??

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Post# 5470-9/19/2001-15:34 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: According to my parts book the KDS and KDI-16SOAK was the first one to have the soak and scrub cycle.

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Post# 5471-9/19/2001-15:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Nice machine, I agree black will definatley be a better colour...

Does this model have a concealed heating element, and what is the tub made of??

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 5472-9/19/2001-16:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: Has Applianceville been running very sluggishly for the past couple of days? Makes me wonder about Nimda????

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Post# 5473-9/19/2001-16:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: It has been a little slow compared to usual. Maybe the virus is just causing a general slowness online and is hopefully not doing something to the site itself. My Yahoo mail account has been running so painfully slow that I'll open an email and go get a cup of coffee or something because it takes so long. Our systems here at work are a bit compromised at the moment because we are beginning the big move to Nicollet Mall this week, but I've noticed it at home too.

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Post# 5474-9/19/2001-17:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: Nimda has generally slowed down sections, if not the whole, of the internet, is what my isp has said. My mail server was an NT server and was hit. My email is supposedly safe, but wasn't accessable until this morning after I left home. Web-based access of my email is still not there. So, when I get home, I get to see just how much junk mail I have in addition to the important stuff. I feel so outta without email--this is sick.

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Post# 5475-9/19/2001-17:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: It has been slow for a few days and I have been getting the nice page that says IE can not open the web page.

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Post# 5476-9/19/2001-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike - glad you had a fun and memorable birthday bash, can't wait to see the pictures!

The Speed Queen is a solid basket machine so the water should not be able to escape the drain tub (which is sealed on the cabinet top) but there is no seal around the lid. I should try a load with the lid closed (hard as it will be - no watching) to see if water splashes around the closed lid. I can sure see why women complained about the water splashing - most likely happened as a result of the too short fill flume and higher pressure water spraying onto clothes during the floatation rinse portion of the cycle.

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Post# 5477-9/19/2001-17:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis - yeah, these will be keepers! I still sigh when I walk in the room and see them!


When is your moving day, coming soon?

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Post# 5478-9/19/2001-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: I've gotten that IE page a couple of times, but things aren't horribly slower - just a bit. I would imagine that it would be more noticeable with a dial up connection.

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Post# 5479-9/19/2001-17:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (OUCH)
MESSAGE: We all have our wringer horror stories!

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Post# 5480-9/19/2001-17:43 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or... (What Is!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

It feels like I should know, but i`ll ask anyway....

"What Is NIMDA?????


Cheers, Mike

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Post# 5481-9/19/2001-17:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or... (What Is!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, NIMDA is a new worm/virus that has hit the circuits in the last day or so. It spreads via email and targets IIS (Microsoft's web server software).
LINK: http://symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a@mm.html

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Post# 5482-9/19/2001-17:56 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (That Word!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

You mentioned that word again, Ha! Ha!...(Sani)....

I tell you we would never get away with it over here!!!

The only time its mentioned here is on adds for womens monthly wear and usually with wings!!!!

What is the definition of Sani-Rinse??? is it the end of cycle steam/heat dry...

Its also used on the Hettie cycle to, is that for hot/boil wash etc???

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 5483-9/19/2001-18:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: I've had it worse on our LAN at work than my dial-up at home.

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Post# 5484-9/19/2001-18:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: We'll Applianceville hasn't become painfully slow, but for the past couple of days I certainly noticed that it is running slower. When clicking on message posts the background wallpaper is slower to come up than it used to be and the text isn't as speedy either. Still, even with this slowdown, its still much faster and more reliable than our old Yahoo club site. Applianceville is running on a UNIX server, but I'm not sure if that makes any difference with this worm. Dial up connections as well as broadband (DSL, cable, T1) will all be effected because it's the server itself, not the lines that are having trouble.

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Post# 5485-9/19/2001-18:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (That Word!!!)
MESSAGE: Well, Mike, I'll try to give you my rendition of history as I remember it for using Sani. KA dishwashers (Superbas) (remember all in F degrees) had a Sani-Wash cycle that heated the last rinse to 180. Then in the early 80s, that was reduced to 150. It may have gone back up to 160 at some point, but never again 180. Glenn's early KA superba, as he said, is timed, not thermostatically controlled for that final water heat. On our 1973 & 1974 Kenmore Rotorack dishwashers, on the first one had a 150 Sani-temp rinse, the 2nd one said it heated to 155. During the mid 1960s Kenmore offered a 220 volt Lady Kenmore that heated to 180 degrees. The 120 volt versio heated to 150 or 155. Before the 70s energy crunch most peiople kept their water heaters at 140 or 150, now they most likely keep at 120 to 130. Other dishwasher manufacturers TOL machines may have had a sani rinse option, and again probably ranged from 145 to 155 degrees. KA was the exception with their 180. When the energy crises hit, that's when we got hot/cool dry options and the Sani buttons all but disappeared. During the mid-80s when Whirlpool started making Sears' UltraWash models, their TOL had a "hot rinse" option, which probably was 140 to 145 degrees, due to lower water heater settings, to aid in drying. The GE GSD2800 all electronic dishwasher introduced in 1983 or so, was one of the last on our to have a "sani" rinse option, but I don't know what it heated to. Then, I believe when KA introduced their first stainless steel interior dishwashers KDS24 (superbas) in 1994, they may have had the Sani rinse option, I don't remember per se. But I believe the KDS25 definitely had the Sani-rinse option. And it was the first home dishwasher that met with NSF approval (National Sanitization Foundation). I believe it had to heat the water to 160 degrees and hold it there for 9, 11, or 15 minutes. Then Maytag followed suit with the beginning of their MDB7000 and MDB9000, if not, then definitely on their MDB7100 and MDB9100 in 1996. GE tol offer Sani wash in about 1997 or 1998, but I don't know the temp set point. And the new tall-tubs from Whirlpool (WP, Kenmore, & KA), offer Sanitize options for some cycles (160 degree final rinse again). Kenmore & Whirlpool have a cycle called "Anti-Bacterial" which essentially automatically chooses this option. KA's version is called "Baked-on Cookware". Also, during the mid-70s, a couple of maytag models had a sani cycle or button. I BELIEVE this only heated the water in the main wash (the only water heat option on Maytags at that time). Jenn-Air's differentiators for their version could have also hadded a temp boost to the last rinse, but I have forgotten that. But, we never had anything over 180 degrees for Sani. As for the Hetties & WP Duets, the Sanitary cycle heats the waash water to 153 degrees, which is paultry by your standards, but here in the U.S., it's HOT. I've found out that many water heaters now only allow you to heat the water up to 120 degrees. You have to buy an optional thermostat to allow you to increase it to 140. I don't know how true that is, but I'll be finding out soon as I need a new tank. Maytag is sourcing water heaters from a company called A. O. Smith. Their TOL model has a programmable thermostat that allow you to set it up to 150 or 160 degrees. You get a scald warning once it's set above 120 or 130 degrees. All this stuff is either energy saving related or government safety edicted regulations to protect children from burns from too hot of water. Hence, most dishwashers say that they have 120 degree water inlet capabillity and will heat the water during the main wash cycle. And as I go back & forth as memory serves me, The D&M produced machines in the 70s had varying degrees of "Sani" washes. Some brands heated the water only during the last rinse to 150 or 155. Others did it both in the main wash & final rinse. Turbo will probably have a lot more to add to this or correct me, which I need. I'm doing this all off my memory. Bob

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Post# 5486-9/19/2001-18:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: Right, our site is slower than *usual* (but not nearly as slow as a Yahoo club); in my case it's been my email (only) that has been painfully slow, maybe I should have been clearer.

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Post# 5487-9/19/2001-18:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: LANs seem to be affected by usage levels, i.e., when I come to work in the afternoon normally, things are kind of slow, but later when we're pretty much the only people here, it's not. I discovered this when I got DSL, and suddenly home was generally speedier than work. Right now at work they're running some kind of split server or some such thing at work because we're moving and for the next few weeks there will be some people in both locations, so it is generally slower than normal here.

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Post# 5488-9/19/2001-18:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (That Word!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, our 1959 & 1968 Waste Kings had capabilities to heat final rinse water to 150 or 155 also. On both, it was part of the "Full Cycle" button. By 1968, my Mom was already conscious of energy. She didn't use "full cycle" on the 68 one. I did when I did the dishes because it improved drying results. Sometimes, she'd sneak in the kitchen and push a button that would stop the heat delay and get the tinmer going again. She normally used the "Fine China" cycle that eliminated this 3rd heated rinse. On the 59 one, she'd move the timer knob to stop heating and start pumping the water, especially when the load had china & crystal in it. And again with the 1972 rotorack at the lake house & the 1974 one in Houston, there was the sani-rinse option, almost taboo to use, but I'd sneak it in when I could--I just preferred the better drying results. Mom also didn't olike it because it made the dw run that much longer. I always chose models with this feature, up until my parents & I ended up with the GE dishwasher I have. When it water heats on most cycles, I believe it's up to 140. However, my PotScrubber cycle seems to heat the water hotter during the main wash, so in addition to using it for my grimey loads, when I'm sick, I use that cycle to "sanitize" LOL my dishes.

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Post# 5489-9/19/2001-18:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (In the U.K.)
MESSAGE: Mike, I remember when I was in my previous life in the PC industry & doing competitive analysis & working with ad agencies & european people, it became increasingly difficult to do hard-hitting, competitive comparison ads for PCs & printers, mostly in the U.K. and Germany, over the timespan from 1984 through 1997 when I no longer was in the industry. Very frustrating for our team because we could do such ads, substantiated, here in the U.S.

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Post# 5490-9/19/2001-19:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Is it me or...
MESSAGE: Part of the virus/worm protection was to switch to IE 6 which I have done. Things are much faster now!!

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Post# 5491-9/19/2001-19:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: It's a semi concealed element. You can see it in the 8th and 9th picture.

The 4th pic shows the wiring diagram that says: Wiring diagram for model KDS-16 (with soak cycle) dishwasher. The 5th and 7th pic kinds shows the the control panel. I'll get better oics when I am finished.


LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/56A.HTML

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Post# 5492-9/19/2001-19:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, looks like a great machine, esp. for 30 years old! I have not seen that particular model in a long time, but I remember the cycles being divided between daily use and party.

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Post# 5493-9/19/2001-20:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: The 16 was the introduction of the Soak feature. The 18 was the first time the Soak and Scrub was found an a KA machine.

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Post# 5494-9/19/2001-20:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Well Jason, git in that truck and driiiiihhhhhhhve on over here and slap me downright sillly. I NEVER saw a Superba with the Soak Cycle on that high of a button arrangement. The first ones I saw with the Soak Cycle (actually in the metal trip words) was when they lowered the buttons. I've now learned something new for the day.

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Post# 5495-9/19/2001-22:14 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (crack spackling, anyone?)
MESSAGE: Moral of that story...

Never borrow a pencil from a Norge repairman!

LOL!


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Post# 5496-9/19/2001-22:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (crack spackling, anyone?)
MESSAGE: Depends upon which pencil LOL


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Post# 5497-9/20/2001-06:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Jason I do stand corrected. Maybe my neighbor has the KDS15. I only saw the tag on the machine last April for once in my life. It could have said 15 rather than 16. But, I will stand behind what I said, the 15 Sani Cycle was identical to Heavy Soil, except for heated final rinse. It would make sense on this 56 you have to have the Sani Cycle equal Full Cyclce with the addition of the heated rinse. Not "imitate" the "Soak" cycle of the Heavy Soil. I suspect they just had so much in inventory of the full cycle, heavy soil,... metal things that they needd to get rid of them (ha ha) and just simply put that down line under "soak" on the panel. Like I said, something I'd never seen before. Only the "Soax Cycle" under the button that used to be Heavy Soil when they lowered the positions of the buttons on a later model--which was a machine purchased for the old LK Combo house while I was in college after fall of 1973.

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Post# 5498-9/20/2001-06:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POTD-GE Combo
MESSAGE: Loved the whole thing. Neat ad. But can you imagine, for the hot wash, a series of cold warm & HOT rinses?

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Post# 5499-9/20/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo ( I can imagine...)
MESSAGE: When hot wash is selected on the '54 SQ, both spray rinses are with hot water and the deep overflow rinse is warm.



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Post# 5500-9/20/2001-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo ( I can imagine...)
MESSAGE: Our neighbor that had the Hoover washer always used hot water to rinse the whites as it gave better results and "speeded up drying" in the tiny dryer. Don't know how true that was, but it was cool with that automatic rinse pumping out steam every minute or so.

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Post# 5501-9/20/2001-07:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Mike, Norge was a division of Borg Warner, a big industrial conglomerate and with a name like Borg, you can see where Norge would come from. Norge was the domestic appliance line and made refrigerators with the famous "Rollator" compressor, stoves both gas and electric with strange styling in the late 40s-early 50s, and the full laundry line with everything from wringer washers to a wild washer-dryer combination. Their first automatic washer as seen in the Consumer Reports ratings was a very strange machine. It was a frontloader with a huge capacity, but no suspension so it extracted poorly, about like their combo almost a decade later. After that one FL, they only made TL washers. They marketed Norge dishwashers made by D&M (Design & Manufacturing) who also made them for Sears, Admiral and many other brands. They were not stellar pieces of design or manufacturing. Norge marketed the gas refrigerator made by Servel and gas water heaters also. I am sorry to say that Norge was never one of my favorite brands. Thanks, & Best wishes, Tom


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Post# 5502-9/20/2001-07:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo
MESSAGE: Between the slow spin speed and the calrod heating element it needed warm or hot rinse water to preheat the clothes and drum so the dryer would work properly.

A warm or hot rinse does save a little on drying time, but not that much.

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Post# 5503-9/20/2001-07:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer water heating
MESSAGE: Peter, in the Duomatic, the water heating element was in a safe position behind the back of the drum and shaped like a big wide smile. Dunno about shielding in newer machines. I have seen toploaders & WH FLs of years gone by with outer tubs scored by foreign objects. Porcelain outer tubs rusted badly. Plastic ones leaked. I have seen John replace WP & maybe Maytag outer tubs, generally when making one good machine out of two, but not the WH FLs. Porcelain outer tubs were very vulnerable to rusting through if there was a lot of soaking in bleach also.

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Post# 5504-9/20/2001-07:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Soak, but not Soak and Scrub on your 16A. That was introduced on the 18 Superbas. You did not need a heating element for the soak cycle which is why it ws offered in the Imperial line also in the 17s and 18s. Only Superbas had a heating element until the 19s. The 18 Patrician did not have a heating element and only had Soak, like the Imperial. Soak Stopped and Soaked. Soak and Scrub alternated soaking and scrubbing and kept the water hot while doing it for about a 45 minute period.

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Post# 5505-9/20/2001-07:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Tom, we had a 1954 Norge chest freezer that was still going strong when my Mom needed to get an upright for her back, less than 10 years ago. It was as wide as our washer & dryer on the other side of the laundry room. I have the owners manual.

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Post# 5506-9/20/2001-07:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Greg, with the lid open and the spray coming in for the rinse, would it blow foam across the top of the washer, like when you have a storm on the coast and ocean foam gets blown around?

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Post# 5507-9/20/2001-07:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo ( I can imagine...)
MESSAGE: When I wash and dry in the Whirlpool Combo, I usually select a warm rinse (or switch it to warm for the 3rd rinse if I'm down there), it seems to make a slight difference in the drying time.

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Post# 5508-9/20/2001-08:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo
MESSAGE: It is not hard to imagine the series of rinses. It was a form of early energy saving. The first rinse was introduced into the hot wash load so it turned out to be a very warm warm since there was no spin. The next rinse was warm and the last rinse was hot because if fabrics could stand hot wash water, they could stand hot rinse water, but in reality the machine used about the same amount of hot water for these rinses as it did for 3 warm rinses. This final hot rinse was an easy way to get the temperature up for drying. That is why warm wash was all warm rinses--to keep the load as warm as possible for boosting the drying phase's intital temperature. Of course, if regular dry was selected, one heating element came on during spin to help warm things a bit more. We are talking about a machine that dried fabrics on the regular dry setting at well over 200 degrees. The spray rinses they talked about were more flush rinses to clear the sump and lasted a few seconds at the end of each drain phase, like in the GE dishwashers with the stainless impeller in the bottom. They terminated each drain with a short flush also.

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Post# 5509-9/20/2001-08:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: That's what it reminded me of! Here is the picture of the foam on top of the water. At the end of the spin, you can even see some remnants of the foam still clinging around the top. Since it's only a floatation rinse for the first couple of minutes, it tends to be exaggerated a bit. I was surprised at the amount of foam, but that Oxydol (Redox brand) is a sudsy detergent anyway. All part of the fun, just like the second rinse. On the second rinse, I advanced the timer to agitation/overflow so as not to waste more water than was needed.

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Post# 5510-9/20/2001-08:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo
MESSAGE: A warm or hot rinse does not save much drying time in separate appliances where you have an air flow dryer, but in a sealed chamber like the combo, having everything nice and hot at the start of dry can save a good bit of time in a slow dryer with clothes you can squeeze lightly and get water out of.

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Post# 5511-9/20/2001-08:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo ( I can imagine...)
MESSAGE: When Alice used hot rinses, the clothes still had to be taken out of the spinner, shaken out and then transferred to the tiny dryer - usually in another room so I don't know how much heat was left in the clothes, probably warmer than with cold water though.

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Post# 5512-9/20/2001-08:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah, the picture...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/vwp?.dir=/1954+Speed+Queen+A12c&.src=ph&.dnm=Sudsy+Rinse+Overflow.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst%3f%26.dir=/1954%2bSpeed%2bQueen%2bA12c%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 5513-9/20/2001-08:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: But Greg, this spraying across the room is not as bad as Lucy's first automatic, right?

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Post# 5514-9/20/2001-09:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Of course not!!! Lucy's spray across the room was boosted by high-octane Ethyl and Ferrocious Fred, right in the middle of lunch!!!

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Post# 5515-9/20/2001-10:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: Greg,

The picture of the set is my desktop picture at the moment, what a joy to turn on the computer and then see the picture. This set looks a little Art Deco I think.

I believe I get the keys on the 1st of November and then there has to be done some painting etc. And ofcourse some work to get two washer and dryer sets into the bathroom (I hope the floor can handle that). I guess I will be moving a few weeks later. I'll keep the other house until the 1st of January because I rented the house from January 1st 1987.

Louis

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Post# 5516-9/20/2001-11:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thank you Jason for the pictures. Bob was right about the buttons, amazing. I liked the picture without the doorpanel. I never saw a naked dishwasher before. Louis

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Post# 5517-9/20/2001-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-GE Combo
MESSAGE: I guess the Combo started with a cold rinse so the suds were removed best, but gradually building up the temperature was better preparation for the drying cycle. Hot water is easier spun out than cold water.

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Post# 5518-9/20/2001-11:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, Happy New Year.

Did Servel make gas refrigerators and badge them as Norge, or was this a Norge-based product? For some reason, I aligned Servel with Whirlpool, and I have also seen "Servel-Electrolux". Do you know about the history of Servel?

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Post# 5519-9/20/2001-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: What does the "A" stand for in 16A? What is a Patrician? Are the new KA d/ws still referred to as "Custom" "Imperial" and "Superba" or has that been dropped?

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Post# 5520-9/20/2001-11:38 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: I believe the A means it has the soak cycle. In the parts book it is listed as a KDS-16SOAK.

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Post# 5521-9/20/2001-11:40 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: You're welcome. I hope you didn't get offended by looking at a naked d/w.

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Post# 5522-9/20/2001-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Offended? Delighted!

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Post# 5523-9/20/2001-12:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Today's are basically referred to as Imperial, Monarch, Royale, Superba, and Superba Integrated. Then there's the new Full Integrated 2 models, one of which is a Superba, the other is more of a Monarch or Royale. I remember the Patrician because I had a secretary in the winter/spring of 1977-1978, before I got transferred to Northwest Houstonm, buy one. It was pretty similar to a Superba--lights, rapid advance timer, I believe the adjustable upper rack, but lacked the Sani Rinse and was Soak instead of Soak & Scrub. Maybe a few other minor details, but not much different. Plus there was the heating element that was less wattage most likely & not as concealed as on the Superba, most likely. I remember she wanted the Superba, but just couldn't justify the added money given that the Patrician looked so similar.

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Post# 5524-9/20/2001-12:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Pictures)
MESSAGE: yeah, nothing like pure raw dish scrubbing.

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Post# 5525-9/20/2001-12:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Freezer)
MESSAGE: Bob, we also had a Norge chest freezer, probably from the mid-1960's.  It went for more than 25 years, until my parents got rid of it because it was just too big for the two of them.  It was always in the garage and the lid got scratched up from putting things on top, and my dad painted it a couple times.

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Post# 5526-9/20/2001-12:19 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Naked Superba)
MESSAGE: Louis, I'll pull the panels off my Superba when I get a chance and take some pics for ya.

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Post# 5527-9/20/2001-12:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Yes, I always thought of the Patrician as being a pseudo-Superba, placed in the line between the Imperial and Superba for those who like the all-pushbutton look of the Superba, but a bit less feature-set for lower cost.

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Post# 5528-9/20/2001-13:18 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: My latest project has been working on programming a cyber museum into our website. Between all of us here in Applianceville we have hundreds of machines and there is no good way of keeping track of all of them until now. The goal of this museum will be to record all of our wonderful Classic appliances and display them proudly for the entire world to see via text, pictures and video. This will be done in an organized fashion so each machine gets into its own little spotlight. The machines will be easy to find and they will be searchable. We can talk about this if anyone has issues, but I think in order to be considered a classic, the machine should a minimum of 15 years old in order to be entered into the museum, it does not have to work, nor does it have to be restored. The format of the museum will be set in “Wings” by name brand. Each Wing will have a grid like table, each row will have a column that has text information plus clickable buttons for picture and videos pertaining to that particular machine.

I’m currently working on the first wing of the Museum and this will be the Whirlpool wing. For those who have classic Whirlpool machines who want their stuff entered for the grand opening of the Whirlpool Wing please provide me with the following:

1. REQUIRED: Machine Type and Model #, (e.g. Automatic washer, model LAA56089, see sample form at the bottom of this post).

2. REQUIRED: Picture #1, a full front shot of the machine, showing as much as possible. 1024x768 is the preferred resolution, but if your camera only does 640x480 that is ok too. If you want to scan a photograph, scan it in at least 150dpi. No need to email me the pict, just provide a link to where you have it posted on the internet, such as in YahooPhotos. I will download a copy of it and place it on our server so we will not be relying on Yahoo or others for viewing these pictures. You can change the picture anytime you like by just letting me know the new URL link address.

3. REQUIRED: Model Year, if your not positive, an estimate will be fine.
4. REQUIRED: Quick Description or text (see sample below).

5. REQUIRED: Your first name and your Applianceville login-name (see sample below).

6. REQUIRED: Current Location of Machine (see sample below)
7. REQUIRED: Picture #2, Machine Interior, a full shot looking down into the machine so you can see the tub and agitator, drum in a FL or dryer, racks and spray arm in DW, racks and element in an oven, etc.

8. REQUIRED: Picture #3, Machine Controls, a close up and readable shot of the machines main controls. (Appnut is going to just love these!).

9. OPTIONAL: Picture #4, miscellaneous picture of the machine you would like to include.

10. OPTIONAL: Video(s) of machine in operation. Please post them to a Yahoo Briefcase or other web server and send me the link in the submission form.

11. OPTIONAL: Picture #5, a scan of a magazine or other advertisement for this machine. All scans should be at 100dpi.

12. OPTIONAL: Picture #6, a scan a few of the “how to operate” or “machine features” section of the owners manual. All scans should be at 100dpi.


I am hoping to have the first wing open by the weekend or next week. To submit an entry for the Whirlpool Wing, copy the text of the following form out of this post and paste it into your email program. Then fill out the form and send it to me at webmaster@classicappliances.com.

Tom, since you and John have so much that needs to go into the Cyber-Museum, when I come to DC sometime this fall I will take the necessary photos, including the Control and Interior shots to add many of your machines into the Cyber-Museum. You and John can supply the necessary Text Information for each one.

Machine entry to the Classic Appliance Museum:
1. (REQUIRED) Machine Type and Model #:

2. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of the machine:

3. (REQUIRED) Model Year (an estimate is OK if you’re not sure):

4. (REQUIRED) Short Description:

5. (REQUIRED) Your first name and your Applianceville Login Name:

6. (REQUIRED) Current Location of Machine:

7. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of Interior of machine:

8. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of the Machine Controls:

9. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of a Miscellaneous picture you want included:

10. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of Video(s) of the machine in operation:

11. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of an Advertisement for this machine:

12. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of page(s) of the Owners Manual:




The following is a sample submission. Greg I hope you don’t mind, but I’m using your sunny yellow Whirlpool dryer as an example:

Machine entry to the Classic Appliance Museum:
1. (REQUIRED) Machine Type and Model #: Automatic Dryer, Model ????

2. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of the machine: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.dnm=1960+Electric+Dryer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

3. (REQUIRED) Model Year (an estimate is OK if you’re not sure): 1959

4. (REQUIRED) Short Description: Whirlpool Electric Dryer in beautiful “Sunny Yellow”

5. (REQUIRED) Your first name and your Applianceville Login Name: Greg (Gansky1)

6. (REQUIRED) Current Location of Machine: Omaha

7. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of Interior of machine: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.dnm=Inside.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

8. (REQUIRED) URL Link of a Picture of the Machine Controls: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.dnm=Control+Dials.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

9. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of a Miscellaneous picture you want included: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.dnm=Left+Control+Panel.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

10. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of Video(s) of the machine in operation:

11. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of an Advertisement for this machine:

12. (OPTIONAL) URL Link of page(s) of the Owners Manual:



And there ya have it folks. This will be an ongoing project for quite a while as we grow our museum. You can add machines anytime by submitting the form to me, as well as removing items that you don’t want in the museum, by simply letting me know via email. Please use the webmaster@classicappliances.com to submit these so I can keep them separate and organized from my other email.

As each new wing opens, I will send a call out for submission of machines of that specific brand.




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Post# 5529-9/20/2001-13:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: How exciting. I'll be able to qualify with my purchased 10/16/86 LK DD when it turns 15 next month. It was the first DD LK and featured Electronic Temp Control. Then my 05/14/87 1200G PotScrubber will be 15 years in 2002. My stove was installed 07/1984 when the house was built, a pure example of a continuous-cleaningless oven. Oh, for once I'm thrilled I can't afford to replace my appliances!!!!!

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Post# 5530-9/20/2001-13:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (My picture taking)
MESSAGE: Robert, in response to a post you made prior to the convention, no I don't have a digital camera. I simply went out & bought a "disposable" camera to take all those pics. I can see another purchase in my near future in preparation for my paultry 15 year old appliances!!!!! Now I've got something to look forward to.

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Post# 5531-9/20/2001-13:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Servel made refrigerators and badged them as Norge and Servel. Norge did not make gas refrigeration systems, to their credit. RCA WP bought Servel and marketed gas refrigerators as RCA WP boxes. The last were frost free and the defrosting was achieved by turning on an electric defrost heater while the gas refrigeration system was going to melt frost because the gas refrigeration system had almost no reserve so the additional electric heat could melt the frost off the freezer coils while the system was cranking away. The amount of heat that one of these could put into a kitchen was pretty remarkable. The biggest thing about Servel was that they designed the icemaker that, with a few modifications WP uses to this day. It was a pretty remarkable device. Of course, when it was in the gas refrigerators, it took up almost half the freezer space.

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Post# 5532-9/20/2001-13:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (Naked Superba)
MESSAGE: That sounds like a really good strip act!

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Post# 5533-9/20/2001-13:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Servel/RCA WP fridges)
MESSAGE: Yupper Tom, the house next door to ours (Luigi the KLM family) with the 60/61 model 70 Kenmore, had one of these in the kitchen from the Parade of Homes that the family decided to keep. Loved the ice maker. You're right, similar to today's. Our house probably had the same WP fridge, or it could have been a Norge. By the time we looked at it, I don't think the fridge was still there-but it could have been, it's just that I was simply fascinated by the Maytag pair that was still in the laundry room. Although the houses were built by different builders, we both had the same O'Keeefe & Merrit gas wall oven with rotisserrie and the same O&M 44" gas cooktop with the burner with the brain. Our's had a griddle in the middle, theirs had a grill/grid in the local. They had the WP impeller DW, ours was a O&M/Tappan with the rotating cylinder at the bottom. We also had the gas Arkla-Servel water-tower central AC unit (murder with the very hard water we had).

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Post# 5534-9/20/2001-17:13 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: Is there such a thing as a gas freezer?


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Post# 5535-9/20/2001-18:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: Not quite like Lucy, but there is shockingly no cautionary warning of the spatter-spray or instructions or where to stand to watch the washer running in the owners manual!



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Post# 5536-9/20/2001-18:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: Woohoo! I'm honored to have machines worthy of desktop wallpaper!

I didn't realize it was to be several months after the convention that you were moving. I was thinking it was only a few weeks later. Is there room for only two washer/dryer sets? How about vintage washer "tables" on each side of the couch? ;-) Be sure to take some before and after pictures of your new place, it's fun to look back later at how you've improved what you found.

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Post# 5537-9/20/2001-19:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Grandpa's 1948 GE Fridge questions
MESSAGE: My grandpa has a great '48 GE fridge that's in very good shape but needs work. I know that sounded crazy but here it is. It's a small model GE Fridge (fits in my trailer YAY). It runs beautifully and it's still in use. The little drawer under the freezer makes ice cold Cokes. It needs a paint job and a new door seal. The inside is clean and the light works. What kind of paint do I need to use (white of course) and where do I get a new door seal?

The whole family loves this fridge and my grandpa says it's mine when he dies so I'd like to restore it and make it pretty again.

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Post# 5538-9/20/2001-21:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: I wonder if they meant to type $30.00 and mistakenly dropped the decimal......
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276970064

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Post# 5539-9/20/2001-21:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: And I wonder who "pubicbear" is....

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Post# 5540-9/20/2001-21:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000 (Typos galore)
MESSAGE: Looks like there's not only a typo in the price, but a typo in pubicbear's name too.

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Post# 5541-9/20/2001-21:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: Surely a range in such an attractive shade of vomit should be worth more than $30! ;-)


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Post# 5542-9/20/2001-22:06 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Happy New Year Tom)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, Happy New Year from me too!! Hope things are getting back to somewhat of a normal routine for you. Terry

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Post# 5543-9/20/2001-22:09 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000 (Stove Seller)
MESSAGE: O---M---G!  This is too bizarre!

I know somebody name of Chris Alan Jones.

An ex-employee of one of the places I work.  A real slacker-type.  26 years old and never had more than a part-time job far as I'm aware.  Ran off with his latest girlie when she left town for college.

He is definitely not a bear, but that HotMail addy is something he would come up with.  IIRC, he used ronjeremy@hotmail.com at one point.

Nahhhhh, must be a different one selling the stove.  The fellow I know wouldn't come up with something like that, wouldn't know anything about a stove, vintage or otherwise . . . unless it's a scam to get $3,000 from an unsuspecting sucker.

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Post# 5544-9/20/2001-22:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (question)
MESSAGE: What new year are you celebrating?

Sorry if that sounds crazy but I don't know. Thanks.

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Post# 5545-9/20/2001-22:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (question)
MESSAGE: Rosh Hashanah -- the Jewish New Year.

Happy New Year to all!

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Post# 5546-9/20/2001-22:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (ok)
MESSAGE: Thanks.

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Post# 5547-9/20/2001-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: I dunno, but he sure sounds like my kinda guy!!!!

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Post# 5548-9/20/2001-23:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Museum
MESSAGE: WHOA! That rocks, dude. I like that WP combo machine. Do you have a video of it going into spin/spinning? Great work.

If you need footage of a DD Whirly, I got one and I can upload it.

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Post# 5549-9/21/2001-05:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum
MESSAGE: Jason, in some ways it's kinda boring to watch the combo go into spin. It just kinda goes from tumble to spin in a subtle, relatively quick way. After all, it's only spinning at about 200 rpms period.

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Post# 5550-9/21/2001-05:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (washing rather than spinning-wp combo)
MESSAGE: Jason, the washing iwth the wash stream spraying is far more fascinating than the spin.

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Post# 5551-9/21/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Family Member (KA rapid-advance)
MESSAGE: Right, Scott, the A signified a modification to the series with the replacement of the old Heavy Soil cycle with the new soak cycle for heavy soil. The Patrician was a drop in model in the 18 series that had more features than the Imperial, but still lacked some of the stuff of the Superba. It was kinda goofy because when I bought my KDS58, the difference in cost between it and the Imperial was the cost of adding the rinse agent dispenser to the Imperial which did not come with one. The Superba used a different tank than all the other models because of the heating element and thermal probe. With the 19s, every model had the same tank, a cost saving measure AND they eliminated the constant rinse in the top, a big mistake in my book. With my 21 and 22, I would from time to time find stuff in the bottoms of things in the top rack that would have been flushed away with the 18's constant rinse. The fine filter did not prevent it becuase it was probably stuff that got shot up there from something in the lower rack and had no chance to get to the filter. You note the constant rinse is back.

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Post# 5552-9/21/2001-06:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (A New Year)
MESSAGE: No domestic gas freezer that I have ever heard of. The refrigeration system did not have the capacity/efficiency to do this. When you consider that a modest sized central home AC unit, say 30K BTU output, had a gas burner input of 150K to 175K BTUs, you can see there was a lot of waste. Keeping a freezer at zero would probably have been like having an oven and maybe one or two top burners going full blast all the time and you would have to get all of that heat away from the freezer cabinet fast so that it would not warm the freezer. As long as the gas refrigerators were in the 6 - 8 cu. ft. range, the adsorption refrigeration system with the small flame could keep them cool, although they ran a lot warmer than today's boxes with interior temps in the low to mid 40s versus today's in the mid to upper 30s. The heat thrown by the large WP I mentioned was really something and they had a huge grill across the top back of the cabinet to vent them. Notice the grills above the two gas refrigerators in the kitchen for the Beverly Hillbillies.

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Post# 5553-9/21/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry) (her majesty)
MESSAGE: How 50s of them. No regard for owner stupidity. Shocking.

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Post# 5554-9/21/2001-06:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Happy New Year Tom)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Terry. Yes routine is back, but there are always "things" that happen to upset apple carts. Best wishes to all, Tom

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Post# 5555-9/21/2001-06:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (question)
MESSAGE: We get to celebrate twice, or as a cantor's son once said, one New Year for praying and one for drinking. Actually, this one is a lot more fun and the crowds rival anything Times Square can throw atcha. A Happy, Healthy & Sweet New Year of Peace & Blessings to everyone and may SRVAA prosper!

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Post# 5556-9/21/2001-07:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (200rpm?)
MESSAGE: No way! That's pretty slow. So it took twice as much time to dry the clothes.

The washing video is great

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Post# 5557-9/21/2001-07:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Happy new year!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information. Have a great new year!



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Post# 5558-9/21/2001-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: Wonderful idea and a beautiful way to add an organized method of what we all have in our collections! I'll get to work on the WP stuff this weekend. I hope we have enough server space for a couple pages of harvest gold 1-18's! Thank you again for all your hard work and dedication!

The video is awesome!


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Post# 5559-9/21/2001-07:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (200rpm?)
MESSAGE: Jason, this was the big problem with most of the combos. See, Bendix invented the first one and tied up the patents. One of the things they patented was suspending the mechanism in the cabinet, thus allowing it to spin fast and absorbing and damping the dynamic forces that generates. Every combo produced by every US manufacturer incurred a royalty fee to Bendix for the concept fo the combination. Even Westinghouse, who had a front loader washer that was suspended in a cabinet could not suspend their their combo. Most combos spun between 200-300 rpm. The redesigned WP/Kenmore combo spun at 500 rpm, but was redesigned to spin at only 400 rpm after some problems. They were able to do this by an ingenious system of having the three baffles in the drum serve double duty as water tanks. As the machine accelerated into the high speed spin from intermediate spin, the heaviest part of the load caused the machine's frame to flex. The flex sensor was opposite a little valve that squirted some of the final rinse water that was retained during the spin into the tank that was opposite the heavier side of the drum. Concurrent with this, an air valve bled air off the pneumatic clutch that was trying to put the machine into the high speed spin. There was lots of hissing as the machine came up to speed with a less than perfectly balanced load. When the load was balanced, no more water was admitted into the balance tanks and no more air bled off the inflatable bladder that drove the tranny into high speed. At the end of the high speed spin, there was a gush of water down the drain as the main diverter valve snapped from the recirculate to the drain position to empty the water held in the botton of the outer tub and then as the machine slowed and continued to tumble, the water drained from the balance tank(s) into the outer tub. If you have ever heard of the expression poisoning the well, Bendix did just that by keeping other manufacturers from making efficient combinations. The machines got such a bad rep that everyone who made them stopped. And the real pisser is that Bendix was sold to Philco about 4 years after they introduced the Duomatic, just about the time other manufacturers were starting to make their own combos so it did not profit them that much, although Philco or Bendix made some money off the royalty payments. But the whole thing was an example of how not to do something. Today, everybody like GE, WH and the others would probably just have bought the damn combinations from Bendix, added a feature or two along with their trim package and everyone would be making out like a bandit. Tom

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Post# 5560-9/21/2001-07:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge (Happy new year!)
MESSAGE: Thank you and to you also.

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Post# 5562-9/21/2001-07:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (Its coming)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, I'll get to posting a video of the combo going into spin too. My first concern was getting the base code of the Museum up and running, now that its written and working, it will be easier to just concentrate on adding stuff.

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Post# 5561-9/21/2001-07:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: What a gay museum; more wings than a flock of birds.

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Post# 5563-9/21/2001-07:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum
MESSAGE: I disagree Bob, I think its really cool the way the little chain motor winds up and as the chain gets pulled it slowly but shurly ramps up to 200rpm. Granted the end result (200rpm) isn't that interesting, but with a 29" drum, the extraction is SLIGHTLY better than one would think.

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Post# 5564-9/21/2001-07:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, I know you have at least two Whirlpool pieces that need to go in. It should be pretty quick if you already have some pictures uploaded, just shoot me that info. It will be interesting to see all the 1/18's between all of you guys, and what few we don't have.

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Post# 5565-9/21/2001-08:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: storm (for those who care for them)
MESSAGE: Our September has been dry with less than 1/4 inch of rainfall at the airports. Yesterday, we had showers off and on. Last night, about 10, I was awakened by crashing thunder. Usually it takes loud noise to wake me because I use my bedroom AC for white noise while sleeping. Brilliant flashes of lightning lit up the room as I came to consciousness and looked at the clock. The rain was beating down, too, so I guess we got some measurable precip with all the sound and light show. I went right back to sleep so I don't know how long it lasted. It is funny how noises like the thunder muted by the AC steal into your mind while you are asleep and become part of whatever dream or mental sequence you are having. A sharp clap of thunder will wake most people right up, but muted as it was, it takes a while, especially when you are sleeping soundly. What a wonderful night; lots of good sleep and a storm.

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Post# 5566-9/21/2001-08:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: Robert, by the time you get here and so graciously take pictures for us, we should be able to load them to whatever and wherever(not Wearever) they need to go. My computer has arrived and Jason will be here, G-d Willing, the week of Columbus Day to help set it up. The DSL line is supposed to be installed the 26th. I can watch what you do and write down instructions so that maybe we two fogeys can continue to contribute. YAY!

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Post# 5567-9/21/2001-08:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: That's part of what makes it fun!

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Post# 5568-9/21/2001-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: That's wonderful Tom! I had no idea you bought a computer, what did you get? You'll be able to post over the weekend now, share photos, etc. That is great news, and maybe you can work on getting John up to cyberland speed.

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Post# 5569-9/21/2001-08:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: Not only did he drop the decimal in the price, but he forgot the "L" in his name! LOL!

-ph

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Post# 5570-9/21/2001-08:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000 (Typos galore)
MESSAGE: oops... "read all posts before you post"!

-ph


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Post# 5571-9/21/2001-09:50 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: MAV8600 (NorgeTag)
MESSAGE: On the Atlantis Maytags ('NorgeTags'), does anyone know if it uses a 'fixed' or 'rotating' transmission on the spin cycle. I know the 'traditional' Maytags often used the locking tranny that spinned along with the basket. But, how about the NorgeTag tranny? Thanks for any info.

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Post# 5572-9/21/2001-09:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, I have no idea, but why don't you just pull of the front panel and take a look? You can't break anything just by looking.

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Post# 5573-9/21/2001-10:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: Robert, John has ordered his DSL also.

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Post# 5574-9/21/2001-10:22 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag)
MESSAGE: Hi Unimatic
(May I call you Robert)?

Thank you for your responce. I thought about taking off the front but I dont see any screws on the bottom or anywhere that I can wedge something in to 'pop' the front. Do you or anyone elce know how to do this. Appreciated
Lenny

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Post# 5575-9/21/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Queen Takes a Load (of laundry)
MESSAGE: I'm looking for non spinning Miele toploaders. They are smaller than the common European washers but can hold the same amount of laundry. I was thinking of using them as bedside cabinets. Unfortunately I haven't seen them for quite a while in second hand stores.

I will take pictures and put them on the net. Unfortunately I still don't have a digital camera and now is not the moment for me to buy one.

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Post# 5576-9/21/2001-11:53 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (norgetag)
MESSAGE: Dear Lenny,First,you need to pop the top up using a screw driver.After pushing the top back,you ned to remove the screws that are holding the front panel on.They are on the left and right sides.It is tricky but not to difficult.

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Post# 5577-9/21/2001-12:00 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (norgetag tranny)
MESSAGE: Dear Lenny,the Atlantis as well as the dependable care Maytags and the Norge,Admiral,WT Grant/Bradford,Western Auto/Wizard,Montgomery Ward/Signature,Magic Chef,...etc.all have the transmission that spins along with the tub during extraction and stableises during agitation.

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Post# 5578-9/21/2001-12:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (norgetag tranny)
MESSAGE: Dear laundromat:
Thanks for your info on the Atlantis. Wow, you really know your brand sub-catagories! I had no idea that THAT many of those 'generic' names were under one roof. Is Maytag the parent company of all those names? Thanks,
Lenny

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Post# 5579-9/21/2001-12:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (Computers & DSLs)
MESSAGE: OMG, Tom & John, I'm excited for both of you.

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Post# 5580-9/21/2001-12:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (norgetag tranny)
MESSAGE: No Lenny, not all were sub-names of Maytag. Many were products that were produced by Maytag for the other label--like Whirlpool is to Kenmore. Others were part of the Maytag family--Magic Chef, Admiral, Norge. The rest were made to be sold by those department stores or whatever you want to call them for their private label, predominantly.

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Post# 5581-9/21/2001-15:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (Computers & DSLs)
MESSAGE: Geeze, I can't even get an IDSN line out of Southwestern Bhell, much less DSL -- tried three months ago, never heard a peep back from them.

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Post# 5582-9/21/2001-16:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE stove for $3000
MESSAGE: Greg:

I would guess and think to say that THAT has to be a misprint. WOW!!!!! $3,000.00 for a vintage GE electric stove?? It would be interesting to see how many people will be bidding on that stove, wouldn't it??

--Charles--

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Post# 5583-9/21/2001-20:46 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Maycore)
MESSAGE: yup They just recently purchased Amana too.

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Post# 5584-9/21/2001-20:53 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Maycore)
MESSAGE: Not the Department Store brands like Bradford,Wizard and Signature. They just recently purchased Amana too.

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Post# 5585-9/21/2001-21:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (Computers & DSLs)
MESSAGE: Well Glenn, that's one of the problems of living in smaller towns like you & I, or as I like to call it, Bubbaville.

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Post# 5586-9/21/2001-23:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Western Auto Wizard)
MESSAGE: My dad had a room air conditioner with this brand name. Also, they have an upright freezer with the Wizard brand on it. Who is the actual manufacturer? This is about 1970 vintage.

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Post# 5587-9/21/2001-23:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (Broadband in bubbaville)
MESSAGE: Try Starband. It's 2 way (upload/download) satellite internet. It also is a TV antenna so you get satellite TV. Put the dish on the trailer and start surfin' YEEHAW!
LINK: http://www.starband.com

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Post# 5588-9/22/2001-20:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (Broadband in bubbaville)
MESSAGE: Jason you're just too funny. Besides, broadband in bubbaville sounds like a bunch of overweight broads in a band chasing after bubba.

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Post# 5589-9/22/2001-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Geez, where did everybody go?
MESSAGE: Was there another terrorist attack today and everyone else in applianceville was taken away & I'm left all alone? Or did the 2nd coming happen and I'm the only one left?--uh-oh, I'm in BIG trouble then. Hmmmmm. What that hell. (Hope the humor doesn't offend anyone, none was intended). It's just kinda lonely here, even after almost 24 hours, no other new posts. WHICH MEANS, the estate sales better have been very fruitful and I'm expecting an Apex, a Bendix, TOL matched sets of Unimatics from 1956, 1957, and 1958, a Kelvinator, a Hamilton washer with the windowed lid, and a 1/18 CI in perfect condition just for little ol' moi.

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Post# 5590-9/22/2001-21:10 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Wizard Freezer)
MESSAGE: Franklin

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Post# 5591-9/22/2001-21:13 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Geez, where did everybody go? (destination)
MESSAGE: Fairyland!LOL

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Post# 5592-9/22/2001-22:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making (overweight broads)
MESSAGE: You mean Jolene, Irlene, and Matilda? Talk about shakin the trailer.

"Play 'Your Cheatin Heart' fer me baby"

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Post# 5593-9/22/2001-22:44 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Geez, where did everybody go? (Where is everybody??)
MESSAGE: I'm with you Bob, sure hope that everyone is OK. Very unusual for applianceville to be this quiet. Terry

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Post# 5594-9/22/2001-22:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: My dad used to fix washers
MESSAGE: My dad used to work for Speed Queen in the early 60s. He talked about the Westinghouse front loaders and said that they were lots of trouble back then. He didn't say "Laundromat" but he described the washer having a glass on the door and the front was on an angle. He did say he remembered Frigidaire and Norge being the most reliable washers. Also, he said that Westinghouse had stacked washer/dryers. Is that true? Did they have stackables back then?

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Post# 5595-9/22/2001-22:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Geez, where did everybody go? (I'm here)
MESSAGE: but everyone ignores me anyway.

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Post# 5596-9/22/2001-23:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: I have seen the Hetties
MESSAGE: OK, so the "washer-cool" people have already seen them but I went to Sears today to take a look. First impression: DANG! Those things are big. I could go 2 or 3 weeks without having to wash. The glass on the window is tinted? Or is that just an illusion. The washer was filled like fluffy light cotton balls of different colors. The sales person came up and asked if I needed help. I told her I wanted to see how this new-fangled warshin' masheen worked. She couldn't remember the key combination so she looked and the book. Pressed the buttons and the machine went into demo mode. The washer first started moving very slow back and forth. She said this is the part when the water and soap is coming in. Next was a normal wash. It would tumble for a minute then it would switch directions. The washing action is very quiet, in fact I couldn't hear the Hettie over the ambient noise in the store. Next it began to spin very slowly as to balance the machine. What happened next made me drool. The Hettie kicked up into a delicate spin cycle. I could faintly hear the familiar front-loder high-pitched whine beginning. This was a sound I remember well from when my mom worked at a laundromat. All of a sudden. weeeEEEEEEEEEE!!!! The Hettie accelerated into (I thought) high gear. The faint whine became like a jet engine taking off. I thought this thing was moving until it accelerated a second time and the noise turned into the scream of 747 at full power (but not as loud). OH YEAH! SHAKE MY TRAILER BABY (oh behave). Needless to say, the Hettie hauls a$$. With its huge drum, I'm sure it pulls lots of g's. Sadly, the spin slowed down and the mighty shriek of the spin cycle lowered in pitch and faded into the background.

At $1499 this better be a good washer. If I had the money and space I probably would have it in my house right now. But, unfortunately, I think the lowly Frigmore will be in my space/budget contraints. PLEASE tell me the Frigmore makes the same noise.

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Post# 5597-9/22/2001-23:07 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (Westinghouse 60's stackables)
MESSAGE: Hi Jasonl:
Yes, for SURE Westinghouse had a stackable front loader in the early 60's. My parents had a set in an alcove off our kitchen. It was a beautiful set that could be stacked or placed under a counter or side by side with the optional tops. Our set had an exagerated concave pyrex glass type round window set in textured matt white metal and surrounded by a thick band of heavy chrome. It had series of colored buttons for wash/rinse temps and a gray graphic timer dial. It really was a beautiful set. The tub was more compact than the 'Laundromat' and it was not set at an angle but was a true 'front' loader. Ill always remember those machines! Lenny

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Post# 5598-9/22/2001-23:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (WOW)
MESSAGE: So he wasn't kidding. Did your parents have any trouble with them? They sound like they were beautiful machines.

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Post# 5599-9/22/2001-23:30 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (You can Be Sure if its Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Hey Jasonl:
Yea, I DO remember the stackable Westinghouse washer having her problems. I remember occasional floods of suds and water on the kitchen floor. I remember a 'burning rubber' smell which must have been a belt or motor ailment. I remember 'jingling' of coins in her pump that had to be taken apart from time to time. But that washer did 'heavy-duty' laundry for a family of 5 people for years! I'm sure it took a beating and stood up for most of her years. It truely was a beautiful set. The dryer matched the washer in opposite mirror image of eachother. The use of 'heavy' chrome, textured metal and glass made a great impression. One other problem I remember was my Mom always stopping the cousins and neighbor kids from pressing and playing with all the bright colored buttons (Red,Orange,Yellow and Blue)! It had in very small raised print under the 'W' emblem that read: 'You can be Sure if its Westinghouse'....KEWL!! Lenny

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Post# 5600-9/22/2001-23:30 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (You can Be Sure if its Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Hey Jasonl:
Yea, I DO remember the stackable Westinghouse washer having her problems. I remember occasional floods of suds and water on the kitchen floor. I remember a 'burning rubber' smell which must have been a belt or motor ailment. I remember 'jingling' of coins in her pump that had to be taken apart from time to time. But that washer did 'heavy-duty' laundry for a family of 5 people for years! I'm sure it took a beating and stood up for most of her years. It truely was a beautiful set. The dryer matched the washer in opposite mirror image of eachother. The use of 'heavy' chrome, textured metal and glass made a great impression. One other problem I remember was my Mom always stopping the cousins and neighbor kids from pressing and playing with all the bright colored buttons (Red,Orange,Yellow and Blue)! It had in very small raised print under the 'W' emblem that read: 'You can be Sure if its Westinghouse'....KEWL!! Lenny

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Post# 5601-9/22/2001-23:31 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (You can Be Sure if its Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Hey Jasonl:
Yea, I DO remember the stackable Westinghouse washer having her problems. I remember occasional floods of suds and water on the kitchen floor. I remember a 'burning rubber' smell which must have been a belt or motor ailment. I remember 'jingling' of coins in her pump that had to be taken apart from time to time. But that washer did 'heavy-duty' laundry for a family of 5 people for years! I'm sure it took a beating and stood up for most of her years. It truely was a beautiful set. The dryer matched the washer in opposite mirror image of eachother. The use of 'heavy' chrome, textured metal and glass made a great impression. One other problem I remember was my Mom always stopping the cousins and neighbor kids from pressing and playing with all the bright colored buttons (Red,Orange,Yellow and Blue)! It had in very small raised print under the 'W' emblem that read: 'You can be Sure if its Westinghouse'....KEWL!! Lenny

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Post# 5602-9/22/2001-23:42 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Unexpected DANBY delight!
MESSAGE: Today while I was shopping around, I stopped in The Home Depot for a 'gadget' fix! I happened (of course) into the appliance department and low and behold I saw this VERY small (hamper sized) apartment compact-sized TOP loading washer called a "DANBY". I couldnt get over it. It was EXTREMELY compact but had a full agitator in a small shiny stainless tub. I noticed a bleach and fabric softener dispenser. It had really neat, big, round push buttons lying flat on the rear top. The wash tub had a tremendous amount of 'give' or 'play' when you pushed the tub/agitator. It looked like it would be a blast to do some small loads of laundry in. It was priced at only $279.00 and I ALMOST bought it. But, alas, with my space, I just couldnt justify it since I already own a Neptune and an Atlantis! (People might talk)! Has anyone heard or or seen these little gems???
Lenny

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Post# 5603-9/22/2001-23:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight!
MESSAGE: Seen one, used one and thats all I'm saying.

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Post# 5604-9/23/2001-03:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (Westinghouse 60's stackables)
MESSAGE: You can see pictures of these at the old Yahoo club - in the photos section, click on Imperial Appliance Museum and then from the list select Westinghouse Spacemates. They are very cool machines indeed!

I think you must be a member of the Yahoo club to view the photos. There are lots of other great photos in that section too - enjoy!
LINK: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/classicappliances

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Post# 5605-9/23/2001-06:52 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight!
MESSAGE: How big is this machine? I saw a machine made by Haier recently and it could of only been about 35cm wide. The drum looked like it would be struggling to wash more that two towels. It was so cute I thought how much fun to would be to play with too! $300 would by me other things though that I really NEED so I didn't.
We have always had medium sized machines about 23" wide as full size machine will not fit in our laundry. They hold about 9-10 pounds of laundry and we have NEVER had problems washing sheets doona's or towels. I hope no one here is bagging out wonderful little machines like Hoover Premiers.
Whirlpools 24" model is just the right size.

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Post# 5606-9/23/2001-07:04 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Fisher and Paykel Compact)
MESSAGE: Does Fisher and Paykel offer its other size models in the us market?

Fisher and Paykel make three sizes, the Full size like DaDOES has, then a model that measures about 600 cm wide and another only 54cm wide. It would take a load of about 9 pounds. It is just like the full size modle only narrower.

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Post# 5607-9/23/2001-07:20 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Its just too cute!
MESSAGE: Almost as cute as my friends new baby. I was getting all clucky until she vomited on me!


Anyways here is that Danby washer and it looks very much like the Haier. A member of the club has a hHaier washing machine, I cant remeber who it is though. But it has a full size agitator, rather than an impeller. the sooner LG decide s to put Full Lenght agitators int heir machines, the better!

LINK: http://www.cookathomeappliances.com/danby/danby_portwash.html

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Post# 5608-9/23/2001-07:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A New Cyber-Museum is in the Making
MESSAGE: Thanx again Uni for another great idea. Your hard work is verymuch appricieated by me!

I cant wait to see all those machien laid out and videos too! Looking forward to seeing Toms huge collection.

Uni, I loved the video of the Whirly combo in action.

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Post# 5609-9/23/2001-07:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Its just too cute!
MESSAGE: Here is the Haier model i saw. Inly 16" wide!!!
LINK: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/atozhomecenter/haierfulcomw.html

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Post# 5610-9/23/2001-07:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Danby Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: When I was in A-1 Appliance looking at the Fisher & Paykel, I saw a tabletop Danby dishwasher for $199. It can do 4 place settings and it has a glass window to watch the action.

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Post# 5611-9/23/2001-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (Westinghouse 60's stackables)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, I was trying to remember the name of the vintage stackable Westinghouse set. The SpaceMates of course.

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Post# 5612-9/23/2001-08:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Window-Door Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: When I stopped in at Home Depot early last week, I saw the little DANBY counter-top dishwasher, with a window-door! While I've seen these before, the $249 price was very tempting, but I resisted. It was just too cute for words, sort of looks like a Microwave. Has anyone had a chance to play with one of these. Of course the real attraction of this thing is that it has a window. I'll have to get one just because its sooo unusual.

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Post# 5613-9/23/2001-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Danby Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Oops, should have read ahead in the posts.

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Post# 5614-9/23/2001-09:22 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Window-Door Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I have played with one of these things. We had one come in to the shop for repair. It was cute. We didnt put any dishes in it so I cant say weather it will clean good or not. It would be nice to have in an office or in a bar where space is at a premium.

SD

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Post# 5615-9/23/2001-10:04 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: What a Great Shopping Day!
MESSAGE: Yesterday I found a used appliance store. There were lots of washers and dryers inside for sale, but the real treasures were out back. I don't know squat about Maytag, but I bought an A806 washer and two matching DE806 dryers. These three have glass panels with flourescent lights in them. I'm crazy about lighted W/Ds. The other find was a 1972 Frigidaire 1-18 model #WIA3T. It is, however, missing the jetcone agitator. These will be fun winter projects. Do you think that $20.00 each was too much?

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Post# 5616-9/23/2001-10:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Danby Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I could have bought one of these for $119 at the Mart a of couple months ago - display model. I tore myself away from it, as I don't need to spend on toys when I really need tools!

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Post# 5617-9/23/2001-10:10 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Lady Kenmore Help!
MESSAGE: I saw another machine there yesterday that I don't have a clue about. It is a Lady Kenmore with a penta-swirl agitator inside and a pull down panel that covers the controls. It has a lighted control panel, of course, which has the timer along with 14 push buttons. The tag has the following: ST #34901 with model #C44101804 and another series of numbers 110.73490110. Would $20.00 be too much for this washer? I'm a Frigidaire guy and this other stuff is foreign to me. Thanks.

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Post# 5618-9/23/2001-10:16 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Interesting Footnote.
MESSAGE: At this particular appliance junkyard, I counted approximately 200 washers and dryers. Of this, there were over 70 scrapped Maytags that appeared to be quite modern, while I bought the only Frigidaire washer (1972) and passed on two semi-destroyed Frigidaire dryers (1970's). I always thought of Maytag as 'dependable.'

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Post# 5619-9/23/2001-10:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day! (Congrats on your finds!)
MESSAGE: $20 each was the perfect price. I can't think of any other toys more fun for that price!

Those Maytags you got are the TOL Maytag models which, at least around here, were fairly rare. Most people went for the mid-line machines. You will have fun working on them and the parts are all still available through Maycor (orginal factory parts) and quite a few from after-market mfgrs. too.

What color is your 1-18? Have you ever had one of these before?

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Post# 5620-9/23/2001-10:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help!
MESSAGE: This would have been, I think - others here can give you more specifics, the first large capacity Lady KM washer and maybe one of the last ones with the pull down console cover. It would be a fun machine to play with, at least a good learning experience for that belt-drive WP design. Based on the model # it's a 73 or 74.

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Post# 5621-9/23/2001-10:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (wow!)
MESSAGE: I wish I was there. I would've picked up the Lady K. Those are sweet. It's all about the buttons.

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Post# 5622-9/23/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day!
MESSAGE: Excellent finds!! The price is right too.

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Post# 5623-9/23/2001-10:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Footnote. (Keep Coming Back!)
MESSAGE: I would stop by there every now and then to see what has changed in their junkyard. I've found that by actually going to the shop and checking out what they have is the only assurance you have of not missing the "dream machine" they don't realize you even want. I stop by my favorite haunts every weekend as the scrap man Walter, whom I also have on the payroll comes to get them!

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Post# 5624-9/23/2001-10:42 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day! (WOW Fab-o)
MESSAGE: Very nice finds Rich! And $20 is nothing, for all that. I'm sure you can find a 1/18 agitator around and I would think the Pittsburg Metropolitan Area would be a great place to find old parts as well as old machines.

Were are you going to install these machines, in your basement?

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Post# 5625-9/23/2001-10:43 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help!
MESSAGE: The model # on that machine is the 110.7390110 number Rich, and its a 1973 model.

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Post# 5626-9/23/2001-10:45 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Rapidry 200
MESSAGE: I posted a video of the 1958 Whirlpool combo going into spin for anyone who is interested.

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Post# 5627-9/23/2001-10:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Fisher and Paykel Compact)
MESSAGE: I've seen those models on F&P's web site.  To the best of my knowledge, they do not market their smaller machines in the U.S.

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Post# 5628-9/23/2001-11:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Rapidry 200 (cool)
MESSAGE: Dang, that's slow compared to the HE3t :-D and no jet engine sound. What makes that noise in F/L's anyway?

Thanks for the video. Great editing and cool camera angles. Keep up the good work!

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Post# 5629-9/23/2001-11:43 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Rapidry 200 (cool)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, glad you enjoyed the video.

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Post# 5630-9/23/2001-12:04 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day! (Colors)
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire washer I got was white. As for the two dryers they had there, one was a green and the other was a gold. I did have a set of 1-18s from the mid 70's, but the family member I gave them to had disposed of them years ago. But I'm still looking.

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Post# 5631-9/23/2001-12:12 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day! (The Perfect Place.)
MESSAGE: I have a 28' wall in my gameroom. My other half finally realized that I'm the boss of this household and that's where they'll go. I'm keeping the winter project ones in the garage temporarily. I have a funny feeling that since I found a local junkyard, I'll be bringing home more treasurers to work on over the winter (thank goodness I have a large enough garage).

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Post# 5632-9/23/2001-12:14 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (Thanks For The Info.)
MESSAGE: I think I will be adding this machine to my family.

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Post# 5633-9/23/2001-12:42 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What a Great Shopping Day! (The Perfect Place.)
MESSAGE: Congratulations again Rich and by the way...

Welcome to the Applianceville "Collectors Circle", we're thrilled you're joining us!

Don't worry about the other half, they all seem to get used to it over time.

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Post# 5634-9/23/2001-13:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Dirt Bomb and a 10 Foot Tall Automatic
MESSAGE: I've added three new detergent commercials to our database of vintage appliance videos. The Salvo commercial has to win Appliaceville's most stupid detergent commercial award, but we can vote on that. The new Oxydol commercial is from 1949 and is the oldest detergent commercial in my collection.

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Post# 5635-9/23/2001-13:33 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help!
MESSAGE: Thats a 74 Lady. The 1st and 3rd digits of the model tell you the year.

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Post# 5636-9/23/2001-13:34 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help!
MESSAGE: OOPS...1st and 3rd after the 110.

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Post# 5637-9/23/2001-14:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (But)
MESSAGE: That's true for 1974 Jason, but do you know when they switched from using the 1st and 2nd digit? In 1969 the Kenmore washer models were all still using 110.69######.

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Post# 5638-9/23/2001-14:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: New commercials and museum
MESSAGE: Robert, I really enjoyed the new commercials and the museum is going to be great! That should be a very user friendly format. I especially liked the Salvo commercial, as you may have guessed!

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Post# 5639-9/23/2001-15:16 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (But)
MESSAGE: 70 I believe. Otherwise my '71 70 series Kenmore would have been made in something like 76.

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Post# 5640-9/23/2001-15:18 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Ok, whats going on
MESSAGE: Something is wrong with Applianceville. Today is really slow and I keep getting the This page can not..... error message.

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Post# 5641-9/23/2001-16:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New commercials and museum
MESSAGE: I didn't guess that Scott, why did you expecially like the Salvo commercial?

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Post# 5642-9/23/2001-17:56 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Ok, whats going on
MESSAGE: Its not just you its me too.


SD

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Post# 5643-9/23/2001-18:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New commercials and museum (Droppin' that Salvo bomb)
MESSAGE: Here's my top 5 commercials

1. Christmas Frigidaire 1950
2. Salvo Dirt Bomb
3. Easy Spiralator
4. Ad Detergent (I like how the agitator on that Norge looks like it's dancing to the music)
5. All (in your automatic)

Am I the only one that sings those jingles often? When I'm thinking to myself I catch myself going "Automatic automatic" or "Get a new kind of clean with Ad" and people look at me like I'm nuts.

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Post# 5644-9/23/2001-18:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Commercial request.
MESSAGE: I know you don't have it Uni but I hope someone does. I want to see the Kenmore dual-action vs. Frigidaire commercial. Also, the famous Calgon "Ancient chinese secret" commercial comes on TV Land every now and then. I'll try to tape it and post it to the videos section.

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Post# 5645-9/23/2001-18:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Another washer song
MESSAGE: Ok. I'm washing clothes and listening to AC/DC. So here's what I did to the lyrics:

to the tune of "You shook me all night long"

She had a washing machine
she kept her laundry clean
it was the best damn Whirpool that I ever seen
It was super size I'm tellin you no lies
knockin' me out with that new direct drive

She threw her towels in there
said "i don't care"
She told me "hold on, this ain't no Frigidaire"

Cause the trailer was shakin'
the earth was quakin'
the clothes were spinnin'
and we were washing them and

she... washed clothes all night long yeah
she... washed clothes all night long


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Post# 5646-9/23/2001-18:35 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New commercials and museum (jingles)
MESSAGE: Jason,you're not alone.I always hear the old "Skinni-Mini"washer jingles from 1970 including the ending frase"FRIGIDAIRE bothers to build in more help"It was the height of the evening Where FRIGIDAIRE and General Motors were sponsering the Miss USA Pagent 1971."Fits almost anywhere"

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Post# 5647-9/23/2001-18:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Ok, whats going on
MESSAGE: Been having this problem since 6:00 a.m. this morning, here.

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Post# 5648-9/23/2001-19:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (Now, some information from a Kenmore expert....)
MESSAGE: Trainguy:

The Lady Kenmore that you have saw the other day is a 1974-75 model. That year, I believe that Sears (or is it Whirlpool) has made some radical changes in the TOL Kenmore washer. What they did was remove the three speed motor that was found in the 1969-73 models and replaced it with a two speed one. They also did away with the "Vari-Flex" agitator that was also in the 1969-73 models and replaced THAT with the "Penta-Swirl" agitator. That particular Lady Kenmore model was also THE first Lady Kenmore washer with large capacity (the 1966-73 models were considered to be standard capacity models). And lastly, the 1974-75 Lady Kenmore was the last model with the "keyboard" control console and the last one with the pull down cover (with the 1969 "colored keyboard" model being the first model with the pull down cover). The next time we saw a Lady Kenmore model with push buttons (well, electronic touch pads, technically) on it, the first electronic Lady Kenmore has arrived. And that was in 1978.

I hope this helps you out a great deal and answer all of your questions.

Though, I would've prefered a 1966-73 Lady Kenmore (and to break it down EVEN further, I would take a 1966-67 in a heartbeat), the 1974-75 model would be a great model to add to your collection. Just like some others have said, it would be a great model to have so that you can learn about the Whirlpool/Kenmore "belt-drive" designed washer.

Good Luck....

--Charles--

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Post# 5649-9/23/2001-20:36 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help! (Now, some information from a Kenmore expert....)
MESSAGE: Charles,

Thanks so much for the info. I will be bringing home this new family member Thursday. Wish me well with its restoration. I'm going to start on the Frigidaire and work through the Maytags.

Rich

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Post# 5650-9/23/2001-22:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Commercial request. (Not me)
MESSAGE: Sorry Jason, I don't have either of those commercials. Most of my collection is older than that.

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Post# 5651-9/23/2001-23:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Museum Navigation
MESSAGE: Uni, for convenience of navigation, you might consider putting links to "Home" or "Back to Museum" (or both) inside the individual wings, perhaps at the upper left.

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Post# 5652-9/23/2001-23:33 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: 3-ringer pulsator wall paper
MESSAGE: Uni, this is the first I've noticed it. It's a hum-dinger of a 3-ringer. The classic 3-color version. Thank You!!!

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Post# 5653-9/23/2001-23:35 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-ringer pulsator wall paper (doing laundry)
MESSAGE: Now, if I could just have virtual reality to stuff my laundry into my computer screen and get the laundry done there. Imagine, my computer monitor spinning at 1140 rpms.!!!!! And look out for the overflow rinse!!!!

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Post# 5654-9/24/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Leave It To Beaver
MESSAGE: last evening I saw the episode where Beaver oversudsed the washer. It was a TV LAND fandemonium weekend with all LITB episodes. Once I saw it was getting to the "good part," I taped the rest. Basically his friend Richard's family's washer broke and Richard asked Beaver to help him take the stuff to the laundry. En route, Richard discovers he lost the $3.00 his mother had given him to wash the clothes. He asks if they could do the laundry at the Cleaver's. When they get there nobody is home. Beaver is goaded into saying he knows how to operate the washer. Here is where it gets interesting. In an all GE kitchen, with two wall ovens, but not double wall ovens, Beaver opens a door. There was a 1961 or 62 GE TOL dryer and next to it, a very non-descript, BOL, pretty well disguided Frigidaire washer. The lid is hinged on the left and you get a glimpse of the 4 sections of instructions printed on the underside. They stuff this huge bundle of clothes in it and keep adding detergent and some starch, start it and leave to wait for the bell to ring that, Beaver says, signals the end of the cycle. Then the oversudsing happens, but strangely, it looks more like water spraying out suds from under the lid toward the right, not the oozing overflow you would expect.
There were episodes from the early part of the run in the old house with the big gas range and the Sunbeam Coffeemaster that was almost always included in kitchen scenes, and even on the table in the dining room. It was next to June when they had after dinner coffee. I guess she was pouring.

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Post# 5655-9/24/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Western Auto Wizard)
MESSAGE: Wizard was large made by Franklin, although the stoves looked like Sunrays, some of the cheapest crap you would ever want to avoid. They made the stoves for AMC and a customer told me back in the early 70s that they had a stove with the oven liner so rusted out that the broil element could no longer be screwed to the top of the oven.

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Post# 5656-9/24/2001-06:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My dad used to fix washers (Westinghouse 60's stackables)
MESSAGE: Westinghouse introduced the SpaceMates in 57, I believe. Imperial Bob's album on the yahoo site has pics. I had the aqua dryer originally.

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Post# 5657-9/24/2001-06:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POTD--Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: I love it, designed for you, but built for your husband. Hmmm, a typo maybe, husbear? LOL. Either way, quite approproiate. LOL

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Post# 5658-9/24/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Unexpected DANBY delight! (Danby Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I told my mom that when my mom moves up here to the retirement apt I would get her one of these because the kitchens do not have a DW. I guess with breakfast and dinner being served in the dining room, there is not that much cooking going on in the apartments to wash up after. Anyway, it is a cute little thing. The Recreational Vehicle magazines have been showing them since sometime in the 80s for motor homes.

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Post# 5659-9/24/2001-07:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAV8600 (NorgeTag) (Wizard Freezer)
MESSAGE: Well, our 1970 Wiard freezer is still going strong. My grandfather has a 1980 chest freezer by Wizard and it's running like a powerhouse.

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Post# 5660-9/24/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore (one of my dream machines)
MESSAGE: OMG, that lady's beautiful! Colored buttons, vari-flex, old-style belt-drive mechanism (vs the "newer style" with a smaller gap between the tub ring and the top of the machine), and AVOCADO!!!!!!!

My mom's Kenmore 800's faceplate looked similar and the timer knob looks the same. I recognize the second rinse section of the knob.

What a machine!

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Post# 5661-9/24/2001-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Skyler and I went to Ace Hardware yesterday to get stuff for the Westinghouse L5 restoration I'm working on and we saw Avocado Green appliance epoxy. I was surprised to see it was still there along with white and almond.

That is the machine that I snatched my Variflex agitator out of, except in coppertone brown. Pretty machine, but it was in very bad shape - took me over an hour just to clean the agitator.

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Post# 5662-9/24/2001-07:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore (one of my dream machines)
MESSAGE: Jasohn, our 800s must have been either the same year or a year off in production. It was a honey of a machine wasn't it?

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Post# 5663-9/24/2001-07:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was a sweet washer. It was almost TOL and it was cool to play with the knobs. My Aunt had a white Lady K just like that and I got to push the buttons.

I think the old Kenmore/Whirlpool machines were the best sounding ones. The agitation sound could put you to sleep.

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Post# 5664-9/24/2001-08:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Well, I don't know about putting you to sleep. We had a canary, named Roberta, whose cage hung in the corner of the breakfast room next to the laundry room. When that machine would start up with its high-pitch hum, Roberta would chime right on in with her own chirping to contribute to the motor's "whine". Needless to say, we all thought it was a hoot.

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Post# 5665-9/24/2001-11:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD--Lady Kenmore (Strong enough for a man....)
MESSAGE: I wonder how long it took before the feminists sued Sears for publishing that. As far as I know, that's why we don't have "Lady Kenmore" anymore. sheesh.

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Post# 5666-9/24/2001-19:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: New Appliance in the Museum
MESSAGE: Big thanks to Jason who submitted his beautiful 1967 turquoise Whirlpool dryer to the WP wing of the museum.

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Post# 5667-9/24/2001-20:01 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Tornado Damage in MD
MESSAGE: Just letting you know Tom and John are OK.
LINK: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18320-2001Sep24.html

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Post# 5668-9/24/2001-20:03 ||| Devildaddy (Troy, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Re: the Norge slogan, the husbear "remembers that slogan for some reason" because my parents owned a Norge washer and stove, probably both circa 1961. Our house was so poorly built that the vertical blinds in the front of the house would shake when the washer was running. Eventually, the floor rotted so badly that my father placed the washer in the basement. Something gave out on the machine where you would hear a very loud noise akin to the sound of a machine gun when the spin cycles were finished. Looked like something contacting a bolt as it spun rapidly with the tub. Lasted for several years that way.

The Norge stove (electric) had a glass panel behind the knobs which every so often cracked. My father would unscrew the panel, tape up the glass from behind with duct tape, and reinstall the panel. He also had to replace the oven heating element and was unable to obtain the correct part, so he hacksawed and drilled and made the new element fit. My most memorable moment with that stove was the time the oven caught fire. My mother, the prototype for Peg Bundy, never cleaned the oven. She was baking pumpkin seeds when the oven caught fire. She knew enough to cover the burners with pan lids and called the fire department. The fireman opened the oven, saw the unrecognizable pumpkin seeds and said, "Lady, your beans are burned."

As for my husbear, I have to say that he certainly has an unusual hobby. I don't look down on it at all; matter of fact, we've had a lot of fun with it. I witnessed his knowledge of appliances on more than one occasion at Sears stores. He offered his two cents to people who were on the verge of buying from typically overpriced Sears, advising them that they could get the same or better machines at Home Depot for much less. Anytime you can screw a Sears salesperson out of a commission is a big plus in my book. How many of us haven't been jumped by a dozen salespeople anytime we've walked into a Sears appliance department?

Hopefully none of you take any heat from your spouses and partners regarding your hobby. While I have to honestly say that I don't have the same degree of interest in it that everyone here does, everyone needs a hobby. I'd much rather see my husbear getting excited over the latest developments from Maytag and Whirlpool than have him hanging out in bars and picking up men. And as a special bonus, I know that when we finally live together, he'll be happy as a clam while washing my clothes, and I'll be sure to let him know how much I appreciate it.

And last, but not least, I had to chuckle about the postings on the HE3Ts - they were dubbed "Visiting the hetties". In my world, visiting the hetties has a meaning all its own.

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Post# 5669-9/24/2001-20:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Appliance in the Museum (Go Whirly!)
MESSAGE: Awesome dryer! Now you need to find the matching washer.

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Post# 5670-9/24/2001-21:22 ||| Nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (husbear)
MESSAGE: Oh I married well. I couldnt believe that he wrote that when he told me he wrote a reply tonight. So sweet.
Mike

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Post# 5671-9/24/2001-21:42 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: Old Miele for sale ...
MESSAGE: If I did it right, this link should point to a 40-45 yr old Miele on ebay.de for sale. I said hopefully...

I can't translate much German, so can anyone translate the page... I might, possibly, be interested... of course this depends on someone telling me whether or not UK power is the same as German. Calling Louis!!!

Jim
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1642125994

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Post# 5672-9/24/2001-22:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: I think that most parteners know that they can and will be replaced if any flack is given towards this strange hobby. And if they don't, they will find out one day.

Vintage appliances can't be replaced.

As someone once said: I think it's time for something new around here and it isn't an appliance!

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Post# 5673-9/24/2001-22:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: The first washing machine on the internet? huh? (scratches head). Is this real?

Check it out
LINK: http://www.margherita2000.com/sito_uk/it/home.htm

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Post# 5674-9/24/2001-22:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: New Member
MESSAGE: Hey everyone, I thought I posted a message last night, but I don't see it so I will try again. As a new member, I am thrilled to find this site for a couple of reasons - nice to know our hobby is shared by many. Also, I may now actually be able to find and procure some of the "late, great machines" for myself. I feel a little behind the curve since I have not collected anything yet, but one has to start somewhere.....

I look forward to learning a lot from all of you - from reading past posts and messages, I have already picked up some useful information. But as an opening, let me ask - Where do you start looking for these cherished finds? Is ebay a source for anything? If so, is there any particular location there to find stuff? So far all I have seen on ebay is too much "Orange Glo" cleaner and miscellaneous non useful stuff..........

As for me, I have been curious about a few things - so let me throw them out for you:

- Anyone familiar with the Philco-Bendix "Miss America" series of appliances? This must have been 1960 or slightly later when they were a pageant sponsor - a neighbor of mine had the set years ago - same great "blades of water" washing action, but what a control panel. Completely lit with eight colored pushbuttons supplementing the control dial and "Miss America" emblazoned across the control panel in splashy cursive script - what could be better!!!And of course, like all Philco-Bendix dryers of the period, there was a window in the dryer door.

-Even better was the 1967- 68 Philco (no longer using Bendix) Custom Imperial set. My best friend's father who worked for one of the few Philco dealers in the area had them. These were beautifully styled, sleek machines with some very contemporary features, like the wide loading contour top sloping down toward the tub. Also the tub and agitator were a perfect light blue - same wash action, though. By that time I believe they were calling it "flex-a wash". Again a great control panel- it lit up like Las Vegas - great brightly colored, lit pushbuttons... oh well, I can dream can't I???

- To respond to some earlier messages - I also remember Silver Dust Detergent. It was a Lever Bros. product and in the 50's and early 60's it was known as Silver Dust Blue and contained various sizes of Libbey glasses inside. Later in the 60's they switched to dish towels - ultimately the brand went away altogether even before the phosphate debacle.

- Unless I am losing my cognitive skills, I also remember there were two Duz products. One was Duz soap and the other was originally Premium Duz detergent and inside were different size plates. This ultimately became just Duz detergent and then they switched from dishes to glasses. Duz soap and Duz detergent disappeared in the late 70's.

Also form the cognitive skills department - wasn't there a product known as "Fluffy All"? I seem to remember a red box , yellow letters and a non concentrated product.. And a short lived P&G product called Bonus, that packed towels inside?

Now for the tough ones - come on Brooklyn natives, help me out here - Bleachette Laundry Bluing - navy blue chunks wrapped in cheesecloth and packed into foil covered toilet paper rolls. You had to dip the cloth covered chunks into a container of water and then mix the solution in the rinse water. And finally, this one is a stretch, but I am certain that I remember a chlorine bleach called "Aqua Lina". It may have been a regional NYC area brand but I know no one who remembers this. Great label picturing a woman hanging out clothes and I am sure she had a clothespin or two in her teeth.

Well I think I have gone on long enough - hope I haven't frightened anyone, but future messages will be shorter - promise. Besides - -who else do I have to discuss these issues with???

I leave you with one small challenge and one weird idea - the challenge is whether anyone remembers which detergent was introduced with the tagline....... "treats stains like dirt!!!". The weird idea is that I always thought PacMan was inspired by the little "en-zolve" stain eaters in the commercials for Lever Brothers' Drive Detergent............


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Post# 5675-9/24/2001-22:46 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Norge slogan)
MESSAGE: Knock on any Norge(tap,tap,tap,tap)Knock on any Norge(tap,tap,tap,tap)hear the sound of silent quality,knock on any Norge!(tap,tap,tap,tap)years from now,you'll be glad it's a Norge!----By the way,that loud banging noise you heard was normal.They had a serious tub brake that would engage once the lid was opened or the motor shut off and all it was is a flat space on a cylinder that would stop the spin imediately once activated.I can't begin to count how many ladies I scared the crap out of at monkey Wards LOL
LINK: 'Knock on any Norge(rap

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Post# 5676-9/24/2001-22:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: I noticed several new nicknames when perusing the Profile list this evening.

Welcome, welcome, welcome, to all!

Post on, bros!

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Post# 5677-9/24/2001-22:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: You're not seeing things. A while ago I found a similar appliance line that had a connection to the internet too. You could use the programs from the manufacturer to create your own cycle sequences and then download them to the washer. With the infinitely variable speed motor and computer controls, you could alter the cycles any way you wanted from water temps to tumble and spin speeds. Interesting idea, this was also from a Euro manufacturer.

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Post# 5678-9/24/2001-23:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome!

I have seen literature for the Miss America Philco line - very fun! Kind of like the "Lady Kenmore" and "Her Majesty" (Wards) Some friends of mine had a Her Majesty dryer that was left in their house when they bought it. What a deluxe machine that was!

I also love the look of the later 60's Philcos - I have a service manual for the combo washer/dryer and some for the dryers, but none for the t/l washers. "The Agitator Blades Are Made of Water." Gotta love it!

If you regularly hit the used appliance stores and service firms in your area, you are bound to find something. Also some people have good luck with new appliance retailers and their haul-away machines taken from customers when new are delivered.

Welcome to the club - have you had a chance to view some of the photo albums in the links section? Lots of great pics of many member's machines there.



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Post# 5679-9/24/2001-23:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Yes, I have looked at most of the pictures and was impressed beyond words at the level of dedication, patience and detail that goes into the restorations - kind of like watching a miracle, isn't it?

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Post# 5680-9/24/2001-23:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: ALmost forgot - thanks for the welcome!!

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Post# 5681-9/24/2001-00:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: L5 Restoration Progress
MESSAGE: Last Wednesday evening, I started the tear-down and restoration of the Westinghouse Laundromat L5 that I brought home from Robert's this last spring. After working on it every night and a bunch this weekend, I am re-assembling it in hopes of getting it running in the next couple of days. I posted some pics of the progress I've made thus far and will continue in the next couple of days so that we have some fun pics of a load of wash sliding up and over the "scrubbing dome!"
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&.dnm=L5+Cabinet.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%2bLaundromat%2bL5%2bRestoration%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 5682-9/24/2001-00:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: A labor of love - hours of work and frustration and hopefully, in the end a wonderful restored vintage machine to enjoy for years to come.

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Post# 5683-9/25/2001-04:52 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Leave It To Beaver (June Cleaver's Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: It does seem a little strange that the Cleaver kitchen and laundry room would include top of the line GE appliances except for the washing machine, doesn't it? I checked into this matter, and found an interesting explanation in the documentation in the company library available on this subject. Also, a very knowledgeable set designer deserves much of the credit for the following explanation: That there are GE appliances at all is a matter of product placement on the part of an agreement between General Electric and the production company of the show, and the terms of that agreement.

Briefly, a company that places its best product line on display in a forum such as a television show wants to show that product in the best possible light. It is the same for cars, clothing, children's toys, as well as appliances. Manufacturers of such items generally are not willing to let their products be presented in instances of what is called in the film and television industry as "negative placement." There are three issues that are used as a test for this: 1) Is the production itself negative to the identity of the product? 2) Is the situation in which the product appears acceptable to the supplier of the product? 3) Is the association of the character in the scene, or the action of the character, supportive or derogatory to the product? As you can expect, all of these questions require an affirmative answer in order for the placement to occur.

For the particular episode "Beaver's Laundry" not all of the questions got an affirmative response. For 1), the answer was yes, as it was a family oriented show, and the production was not perceived in a bad way toward the product supplier. For 2), the particular situation appeared to be a problem for GE. In this case, two 12 year old boys were to be depicted as operating a washing machine, and not necessarily in the manner prescribed by the manufacturer. (The matter of the clothes stuffed into the machine, and the way large amounts of detergent and starch were added.) It can be argued that the instruction manual cautions against children operating the machine, and that the manufacturer could be seen as condoning the ignoring of its own advice. For 3), the carelessness of the boys loading and starting the washer led to a mountain of suds and a messy laundry room, not to mention that the clothes were probably no cleaner than before this adventure started. From a company's standpoint, this is hardly the way to showcase your best product.

For these and probably other reasons as well, it is easy to see how GE would have balked at any implication that its products could cause such a problem, or that such a thing could even happen with a GE appliance. GE might also have been concerned that such a slapstick scene might affect the image of its premium line, or at the very least, the washer product in the line. Incidentally, it is common for a company to provide items from its product line as the need arises, with a placement agreement in effect. This means that if the Cleavers decided to remodel the kitchen, new and different GE appliances could appear on the set. The agreement (which is actually a contract) typically contains a clause that allows one or both of the parties an escape from the usual terms for any specified reason. It is probably for this reason that a similar appearing washer to the GE dryer was chosen for this episode, and that the product had nothing to do with either the GE or Hotpoint brands.

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Post# 5684-9/25/2001-04:54 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club angus. Sorry I dont have much info on those various brands of detergent. I'm not old enough to remember them. All I remember was my grandmother using tide and sometimes cheer. And of course downy and clorox.


SD

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Post# 5685-9/25/2001-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Welcome Angus
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Angus. You will really enjoy this group. Sorry you were not a member in August when we had our first convention in Minneapolis. We had such a great time. Yes, I remember "Fluffy All" It was a favorite, I can almost still remember its wonderful smell. Terry

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Post# 5686-9/25/2001-06:52 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: L5 Restoration Progress (Looking good Greg)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Thanks for sharing the restoration of the Westinghouse with us. Westinghouse is a favorite of mine. It sure looks like you have done a lot of work on her. Can't wait to see her up and running. Terry

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Post# 5687-9/25/2001-07:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply - not a problem. I guess some of those brands - Bleachette and AquaLina were just regional things, and more 50's than anything else! Ciao!

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Post# 5688-9/25/2001-07:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome Angus
MESSAGE: I wish I had known about you folks in August - I am sure I would have enjoyed the whole event to no end!! But better late than never..... Glad you remember Fluffy All - funny thing, though. I guess it was fluffy because it was not concentrated like regular All - had nothing to do with its performance on the wash - didn't seem to do anything different than other products!! A bit of marketing illusion perhaps......

Another gem I remembered... mid 1960's - Rinso Blue becomes Sunshine Rinso and the world is humming that catchy jingle to the tune of "You Are My Sunshine". I stil miss the creativity of those ads........

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Post# 5689-9/25/2001-07:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: L5 Restoration Progress
MESSAGE: Outstanding pics - I know you look forward to getting this baby up and running - - I am continually impressed with this work, being as mechanically challenged as I am!!!!!

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Post# 5690-9/25/2001-07:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Leave It To Beaver (Brady Bunch washer episode.)
MESSAGE: So I wonder if Whirlpool had anything to say about the episode where Bobby (I think) dumps a whole box of soap in the Whirly and causes a flood of suds.

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Post# 5691-9/25/2001-09:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Welcome Angus - this is a great club
Peter

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Post# 5692-9/25/2001-09:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Thanks - I am looking forward to it!!

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Post# 5693-9/25/2001-09:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: WOW, I would love to get that machine. Oh well, it would be sooo expensive to have brought here by a ship though. Maybe I'll buy a lotto ticket this week, ya never know.

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Post# 5694-9/25/2001-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (How to find vintage machines)
MESSAGE: Well hi Angus, welcome to Applianceville.

As for your question on where to begin find some vintage washers here goes:

Vintage automatic washing machines are extremely rare in the 21st century. While I have found over 40 of them, its taken me over six years to do this and I’m constantly looking. I spend at least 6 hours every week searching for these vintage machines and then countless more hours searching for parts and restoring these wonderful rare machines. There is no place in the world that we have found that sells these machines in restored condition, and even finding places that sells these machines as-is, is a one-in-a-million shot.

Since you live in suburban NYC, your chances of finding some vintage automatics are relatively high. Over the past six years I have found that the best locations to find truly vintage machines are older mid-sized cities and suburbs with basements. Back in the 50’s and 60’s when families purchased a new automatic washer to replace an older, original model, many times the stores did not remove the old machine for free, with delivery of a new machine. So many thrifty people opted to just push the old machine to a corner of the basement, then 40 years later I find them at the estate sales.

Here’s what I would suggest to you:

1. Make up some cards saying you are a collector of vintage automatic washers and go around to all the mom-and-pop appliance retail and service places you can find give them this card. Explain to them what you are doing, and that it’s a hobby. You’ll have to tell them that you’ll give them $100 or so for any vintage automatic washer they find for you, because if you don’t give them a good reason to look, they won’t. Believe me they wont. You’ll need to concentrate your efforts in the older, closer-in, NYC suburbs, and don’t bother with the newer suburban towns that are further out.

2. Next find all the local appliance-recyclers in your general area and do the same thing. The recylers are by far the best places to find vintage machines. I have found one recycler here in Minneapolis that has found some of my best machines for me. I must have visited six local recyclers here and only one has ever bothered to call me with my $100 offer, but that one has turned out to be a gold-mine.

3. Go to the estate sales every Saturday. They should be listed in your local newspapers classified section. Estate sales are not the same as garage sales and they are usually listed separately, the main difference is at Estate Sales, the entire house is opened up and most everything is for sale.

4. Finally you need a little bit of luck. One last thought though, you have to be prepared to do the mechanical work yourself, because no one will do this for you anywhere. Most service people have no knowledge of how to work on appliances this old and do not have any desire to learn, for any price. But one thing to remember, is that servicing these machines isn’t very hard, all you need is the proper instructions and you be shocked at how easy it is to do this. We’ll be able to help you along the way, you’ve come to the right place.

Good luck on in your search.


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Post# 5695-9/25/2001-10:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: L5 Restoration Progress
MESSAGE: Great restore Greg, I can't wait to see it washing. Did you have to cut any edging off of the boot, or did you use all of it?

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Post# 5696-9/25/2001-10:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Leave It To Beaver (June Cleaver's Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Wow Darryl, that's really interesting. What library did you find this information in?

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Post# 5697-9/25/2001-10:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome Angus
MESSAGE: In case you haven't seen them Angus, there are some very vintage detergent tv commercials to be downloaded in the Appliance Video section.

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Post# 5698-9/25/2001-13:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (translation)
MESSAGE: Jim,

That sure is a cute Miele. I'm not sure if it's a bolt down or not, probably not. The power in those days in Fermany was 220V 50 cycles. Here is the translation of the ad:



Miele Floodamatic (the name should make you reconsider LOL)

This washing machine is 40 - 45 years old and therefor only something for collectors or nostalgia lovers.

This machine is currently in a basement in Hamburg - Reinbek and I only sell it to people who can collect it.

I'm placing this ad for the new owner (an acquaintance) on eBay. She found the washer in the basement. Perhaps there is somebody who is looking for such a washer or somebody who would like to have it. Besides that it's a waste to dispose it.

I will pay the auction costs.

NO SHIPPING



Louis

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Post# 5699-9/25/2001-13:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: It's that horrible brand Ariston again. Stay away from them!

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Post# 5700-9/25/2001-13:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Hmm, I couldn't find the word "hetties" in my dictionary. I guess if somebody feels like explaining this to me it should better be done by email rather than here on the club LOL.

Welcome Devildaddy.

Louis

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Post# 5701-9/25/2001-13:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hello Angus,

Welcome to the club. Don't apologize for long postings, I quite enjoyed your first one ("It lit up like Las Vegas" LOL!) although I am from Europe and I don't have that memories.

What model Amana do you have?

Louis

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Post# 5702-9/25/2001-13:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: Greg, perhaps I am mistaken, but I think I remember it was an LG from Korea. Louis

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Post# 5703-9/25/2001-14:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: L5 Restoration Progress
MESSAGE: My goodness, what a hell of a job to get the boot on that machine. Although I don't work on machines I very well know that is one of the hardest jobs on a frontloader. Eagerly waiting for more pictures and ofcourse a tangling test with long sleeved shirts when she is ready. Louis

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Post# 5704-9/25/2001-14:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: If I only had room for this!!!! And believe me I'm buying lottery tickets all the time!

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Post# 5705-9/25/2001-15:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Hetties)
MESSAGE: Luigi, the hetties are the new Sears front loaders we saw in Minnie

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Post# 5706-9/25/2001-16:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Hetties)
MESSAGE: Bob , I know that but I was talking about "visiting the hetties". Louis

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Post# 5707-9/25/2001-16:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hello Louis - thanks for the response - I am pleased that prople enjoy a bit of colorful prose!!! My Amana model is ALW880QAW - I don't know if that means anything to you - I don't even know if Amana is sold in Europe. Mine is a 3.3 cubic foot top loader (I never understand what those measurements mean, but that tub is big.). I must say I am quite happy with it- it washes very well and does seem to be easier on my clothes than any of my previous General Electric units. Of course it is not as gentle as the front loaders that are now available here. Honestly, I would have bought either the Frigidaire, Kenmore Elite or General Electric front loader (Frigidaire makes them for the other American companies except of course Maytag),but other family members felt loading and unloading was too difficult. It didn't seem to be a life or death battle, so Amana seemed the right choice and I have never been sorry. I particularly like its handling of unbalanced loads - barely noticeable. Love the dryer too (model ALE866SAW)- I have a weakness for stainless steel washtubs and dryer drums! The drum is quite large and dries very efficiently - yet doesn't seem to run as hot as some others. I am curious - is Amana available to you there? What machines do you have? Regards.......

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Post# 5708-9/25/2001-16:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Thanks
MESSAGE: Thanks to everyone (especially Robert - a/k/a Unimatic) for your tips on how to find these vintage washers. And yes, I have already downloaded and enjoyed those commercials - - Outstanding!! One problem though - - I can't seem to stop humming the "AD jingle". It is a catchy little tune!

The answer to last night's challenge - the detergent introduced with the tagline "treats stains like dirt" was.....Gain.

Ciao!

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Post# 5709-9/25/2001-17:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Hetties)
MESSAGE: Isn't that what we did, we went and visited them. Maybe Mike also went to Sears where he is/was and visited them there too.

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Post# 5710-9/25/2001-17:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Welcome Angus and Devildaddybear...

-ph

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Post# 5711-9/25/2001-17:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Did you say "floats away?"
MESSAGE: Just watched the Hotpoint commercial. I'm sitting her at work trying to come up with the "Rocky Horror Hotpoint Show" responses to that commercial. Did you say "floats away"? LOL!

I would have thought that they would have loaded the machine with socks and undies, rather than items that would baloon up and show the machine struggling to pull the load under.

And not a word about the dryer!

-ph

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Post# 5712-9/25/2001-17:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: L5 Restoration Progress
MESSAGE: Greg,

That looks really great! I know that boot was a struggle! Here's to a leakless seal!

-ph

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Post# 5713-9/25/2001-17:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (How to find vintage machines)
MESSAGE: And don't forget used appliance dealers. Nearly all my machines have come from them.

-ph

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Post# 5714-9/25/2001-18:15 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Heh

I'll email you Louis, and tell you what I think it means.... or at least what I have heard it to mean!

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Post# 5715-9/25/2001-18:22 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: LG and Samsung make TL machines that can connect to the web, I'm not sure about any other FL machines apart from the Ariston.

J

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Post# 5716-9/25/2001-18:27 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: The machines cheap, at the moment, I don't know whether it's working or not, can you translate Louis? Or is there an English version of ebay.de?

Uni- how much'd it cost you to get it shipped over? Of course, once it got shipped over it might not work with the power you have...

J

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Post# 5717-9/25/2001-18:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I? (LG internet digital turbo drum)
MESSAGE: Here is the LG site. I know a lot have seen this before but we have new members and maybe they havent.

This machine is so radical looking. When people see one in a store they always stop and look at it and make comments. I was with a friend in s store yesterday and she couldnt get over the way it looked and its colour. Maybe if some other manufactures were a bit adventurous with their design they too might make people actually go and have a look at what is new in washing machines.
LINK: http://www.lgewasher.com/

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Post# 5718-9/25/2001-18:33 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Welcome!
MESSAGE: A Big welcome to Cafe Jim and Angus to the club. We must have something like 70 members now! You will enjoy this club. Six months ago I thought I was the only crazy person on earth who LOVED washing machines, but now I have others to share my interest with and learn new and exciting things.

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Post# 5719-9/25/2001-18:39 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome! (opps!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to Devildaddy too!

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Post# 5720-9/25/2001-18:44 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

When I think og Hetties i think of Hedy Lamarr.

I just love old dead hollywood actresses!

If only we could have an Ava, A Jane Russell and a Greer Garson washer and dryer pair!!!

Hey maybe when i ahve my own appliance company I could name all my washers aafter these actresses!

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Post# 5721-9/25/2001-18:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: Are Aristons really that bad? Or are you spoiled by AEG's and Meiles? I mean when I get my own place (soon) I would love an AEG but the Ariston is much more realistically priced. I picked aup a brochure the other week and I just love the look if there machines.

I just really wish that We could get the English Hoover fl's rather than the beko with a Hoover badge but as it is the cheapest front loader in our market and has more features than the Whirlpool, I might end up with one of those.

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Post# 5722-9/25/2001-18:49 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome!
MESSAGE: Thanks arrrooohhh!
I know the feeling, it's nice to know I'm not the only 'appliance nut' out there!

J

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Post# 5723-9/25/2001-18:55 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (old Miele top loader...)
MESSAGE: Or there's another one, again don't know if it working or not. Louis, do you know if ebay offers the site in English? It's a bit tricky to find out as I can't read the German in the first place, heh.

J
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1642581221

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Post# 5724-9/25/2001-19:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Ariel measurements
MESSAGE: Hey folks - Today, I managed to score a hit of a few bags - - of phosphate rich Ariel detergent at a Hispanic market in Bridgeport, CT. Problem is , I don't understand Spanish. So, what is a"practi-taza" and since there is no measuring scoop, how much do I use?? Any experience out there? Thanks "loads"!!!

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Post# 5725-9/25/2001-20:25 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements
MESSAGE: well taza means cup, but practi-taza? no idea. At a rough guess, assuming it's HE detergent, you'd probably need a couple of tablespoons in a FL machine... Top loaders i have no idea about.... Trial and error probably the best way to go! ;-)

J

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Post# 5726-9/25/2001-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements
MESSAGE: Thanks for the assistance. This is definitely not the HE version of Ariel, so I guess trial and error it is!!!!

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Post# 5727-9/25/2001-21:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: There was a discussion of the Ariel "practi-taza" a while ago.  Check the Archives section and use the search feature to find it.

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Post# 5728-9/25/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome! (Love for Appliances)
MESSAGE: I also thought I was the only wierd one. So many years I discussed very little about appliances with others. I feel so comfortable spending time reading the posts and viewing the pics. It's one of the few times that I feel at peace with myself when I study about appliances. Washing machines will always be my favorate. Again welcome all.
Peter

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Post# 5729-9/25/2001-21:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Thanks pal - I did remember seeing something about Ariel in a previous message and subsequently found it. I am just so pleased that I finally found something with phosphates in it. That really does make a difference in cleaning and residue. And, much as I love Calgon water softener, I must admit that $5.99 per box is annoyingly steep.....

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Post# 5730-9/25/2001-21:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you say "floats away?" (Hotpoint Water Dryer is the Next Commercial)
MESSAGE: They didn't mention the dryer because the next commercial is all about the Hotpoint Completely Sealed-In Water Dryer. If your real nice to me Peter, I'll post that one too.

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Post# 5731-9/25/2001-21:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: It would probably be $1000 at least Jim. But I would figure out a way to either change to motor to 60 cycles or figure out a way to step down our 60 cycles to 50 cycles.

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Post# 5732-9/25/2001-21:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Whirlpool Appliances
MESSAGE: Have been placed in our cyber-museum, thanks to Greg!

By the way, who else out there has some cool vintage Whirlpool machines (besides Tom and John, of course) that might want to have their 15+ year old machines placed in the WP wing of the cyber-museum?

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Post# 5733-9/25/2001-22:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washer Philosophy
MESSAGE: What is it about the washing machine that fascinates us so much? Some people think of it as WORK or drudgery. Some people hate their washers. The despise the fact that it's full and ready to be started. Smart people like us love our washers no matter their age, size, brand, or type. But what is it that draws us to them? Here's a few theories I came up with (and this might be weird to some people).

On the emotional side: To me, the washing machine is not just an appliance, but a symbol of love. Actually, who was the first person you ever saw operate a washer? Mother. Many of us associate our washers with our moms (or dads). On the top of the list of my dream machines, I listed a 1968 Kenmore 800. That was my mother's washing machine when I was a baby. So to me, aqcuiring a 68 Kenmore 800 will be a link to my childhood. I have a feeling that if you look at some of those dream machine lists, you'll find that person's mother's washing machine listed.

On the physical side: A washing machine is almost as mechanical as a car. It has a motor, a belt, transmission, and a drive unit (an agitator or the drum). I'm thinking that guys (and some gals) are just naturally drawn to spinning motors and moving things. One of the greatest thrills in life is to watch a washing machine wash clothes. It's a simple yet magical device. Washers make cool sounds. From the spray of the water fill to the warble of the agitation to the shift into spin and the final brake.

On the spiritual side: (getting weird now)... The washer is a symbol of a kind of cleansing. Like the saying goes "Wash your cares away". Did they even realise just how true that statement is? On a long stressful day, it's good to come home and start the washer and let the sights, sounds, and smell of the detergent soothe your troubles away. The washer now becomes like a friend and not an appliance.

Well, that's my feelings about washers. What's yours?

Dryers? Yeah, they dry clothes. Well, what's a laundry pair without a dryer? I don't find dryers as fascinating as washers but they do their job and I'm happy with that. Long live my 70s GE (with the buttons).

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Post# 5734-9/25/2001-22:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Calgon)
MESSAGE: No kidding!  I bought a box of Calgon a while ago, had sticker-shock, and the box doesn't last long.  I picked up another box recently, looked at it, pondered, and put it back.

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Post# 5735-9/25/2001-22:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: More awesome Whirlies to add to the museum.

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Post# 5736-9/25/2001-22:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Philosophy
MESSAGE: Mechanics and action.  Geeze, the whole thing is just sooo cool!  Water goes in, a measured amount (either by time or pressure-control feedback), then switches click, solenoids energize, motors rev up, gears mesh, and things start sloshing!  And so many ways to get the sloshing going -- agitators of varying shapes and sizes and design.  And of course, the tumbling of a front-loader.  Bleach and/or detergent dispensers.  Soak cycles.  The water is drained away.  Or spun out!  Spray rinses.  Deep rinses with more filling and agitation.  Maybe an overflow rinse.  Drain again.  (Or perhaps a series of rinses for a front-loader, or shower-sprays for an F&P on water-saver mode or a Resource-Saver Whirlpool, or whatever).  Final spin.

The wonderful variety of design in the various machines.  Control panels, colors, lights (alas, no more!), knobs, buttons.

There is a sense of satisfaction from tossing in a load of grungies, then pulling them dry and warm and freshly-scented from the dryer.  Dryers may not be quite as mechanically fascinating (except let's not overlook the European models with reversing-tumble [which I've never seen first-hand] and the Whirlpool multi-speed models [which I've also never seen in action], and Frigidaire Filtrator and other condensor designs), but they are an integral part of the scenario.

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Post# 5737-9/25/2001-22:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Does a belt-drive Whirlpool model LA7800XPW1, serial C60630774 qualify?  It technically won't be 15 years old until October, but at the time it was bought, it had been in stock at the store for a while.  The "P" in the model is the year designation (I think), but I'm not sure what year that is.

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Post# 5738-9/25/2001-00:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (How to find vintage machines)
MESSAGE: Well done Robert!

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Post# 5739-9/25/2001-00:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: I don't use Calgon in every load, mostly just towels and whites. It is a bit steep, but breaking the water is most important. I keep meaning to call around to look for the sttp here.

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Post# 5740-9/25/2001-00:47 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: The age is in the serial# C= Clide plant the 60 denotes the month or day( 6 being the month or 60 being the 60th day) of the 4th digit which is 86 if i remember correctly.

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Post# 5741-9/25/2001-00:48 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I found the matching dryer to my 64 Lady K washer. It will be home Saturday and I'll post picts then.

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Post# 5742-9/25/2001-00:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Calypso video
MESSAGE: I am working on a viedo, maybe more than one of the Calypso in action. We will see what happens and I will let everyone know of the progress.

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Post# 5743-9/26/2001-05:05 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Another washer song
MESSAGE: Jason, that was quite creative! I'm an 'ol AC/DC fan from years ago and I just loved those lyrics. I can just hear Brian screaming out over the drone of a SQ motor ;-)))
Eddy

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Post# 5744-9/26/2001-05:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Well, I must confess that I keep buying Calgon anyway - - and like you, I don't necessarily use it in every load. I am lucky to have soft water here in Connecticut, so it is not as much of a day to day issue for me. But on whites and once a month on colors does make a difference - and on towels it is essential! I also have managed to squirrel away several boxes of phosphated Fab, Fresh Start, Ajax, Surf and Clorox Powdered Detergents from the beginning of the "ultra days" (early 90's) and will use those only on Great Laundry Occasions. And that certainly helps. As an aside for other east coasters - Clorox detergent was a great product introduced in the late 80's but one that never made it to national distribution - shameful! It was one of the only products that actually didn't smell like artificial fruit or flowers or really cheap perfume - it smelled quite like the FAB of the early 1960's before that dreadful artificial "lemon freshened borax" phase!

I, much like Blanche DuBois had to rely on the "kindness of strangers" - - well actually, it was more like West Coast friends kind enough send me a few boxes now and then.

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Post# 5745-9/26/2001-05:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Philosophy
MESSAGE: I think we are all in agreement on that. There is something very elementally reassuring about the whole process and it is a comforting connection to our inner child - - following the same proven steps our mothers did and having a predictable tangible result. I know for me nothing was more relaxing than this - until my position was eliminated a few months ago, I had an 80 hour a week high stress position where I was often called upon to do impossible things in a short or no turnaround time. It was the kind of environment where you were dealing all day with curveballs and you always stoodthe chance of being caught off guard. Add a 90 minute commute each way into NYC and you are wound up like a watch spring! So, on Friday nights , I would do Laundry instead of hitting the only bar in my area! It was and is a soothing, grounding experience to be able to make order in at least one area of your life. I do confess though that I prefer the results of the clothesline to the dryer, and for me the sight of those clothes billowing on a sunny, windy day is very reassuring.

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Post# 5746-9/26/2001-05:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: A super congrats on that Jason. It's always beyond excitement when one can unite a whole happy couple together again in laundryland.

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Post# 5747-9/26/2001-06:15 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Another washer song
MESSAGE: Jason, how creative. Brian & his wife are clients of a very close friend of mine. I'm going to print off your lyrics....and pass them on to him. The brand you mention is one he is familiar with.

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Post# 5748-9/26/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, since October is only a week away, I think we can bend the rules. Why don't you submit it, does anyone know what year this model is--- Jason, Tom???.

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Post# 5749-9/26/2001-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Then its 16 years old!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, 1986 Does it for the museum them, so submit it Glenn and I will add it immediately.

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Post# 5750-9/26/2001-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: Congrats Jason, can't wait to see the pair together. Where did you find it and what kind of condition is it in?

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Post# 5751-9/26/2001-07:15 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Glenn, your washer was built the 6th week of 1986. 6='86 and 06=the week of the year!

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Post# 5752-9/26/2001-07:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer (Mega YAY!)
MESSAGE: Now that's a dream machine there! Now if I could just find my 68 K800 pair

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Post# 5753-9/26/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: Good for you Jason! Can't wait to see the pair together.

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Post# 5754-9/26/2001-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (:-()
MESSAGE: My washer's a 87 model and it's direct drive. Oh well, maybe when Whirlpool changes its design a few years from now, it will be a classic.

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Post# 5755-9/26/2001-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you say "floats away?" (Hotpoint Water Dryer is the Next Commercial)
MESSAGE: Robert,

You are the BEST Webmater on the internet!

How's that?

Any other discussions on niceness might have to take place offline...

-ph

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Post# 5756-9/26/2001-09:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I found it at the appliance store along wath an avacado Maytag dryer. The Maytag is not coming home though.

The Kenmore is in great shape!! Not a scratch on it and the inside is not worn that much either.

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Post# 5757-9/26/2001-09:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Happy 5 Months, Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Do you all realize we've been here 5 months as of September 20th? Happy Birthday, Applianceville, a very intelligent and fun place to be!



-ph

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Post# 5758-9/26/2001-09:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: Great, Jason! Now I don't feel so bad about letting that one go here a few months ago!

-ph

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Post# 5759-9/26/2001-09:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Angus,

I think the Practi-taza is a standard, plastic measuring cup/scoop that is purchased separately in Mexico. It is the standard for soap measurements. Meanwhile, here in the States, you can use a regular scoop from any detergent to measure your Ariel. I get good results from the regular or normal line - about 3/4 of a scoop.

When shopping at the Mexican markets, also look for VIVA. It's the Colgate-Palmolive competitor to P&G's Ariel. It's just as phosphated, but the scent is a bit less sweet, more citrus.

-ph

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Post# 5760-9/26/2001-09:34 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Another washer song (Who makes it a better day?)
MESSAGE: "Whirlpool makes a better way to face a busy day,busy day,busy day,busy day.Whirlpool makes a washer and dryer thats takes all the mess off your permanent press.whirlpool makes a trash compactor that makes it a smash to compact all your trash.Whirlpool makes a super dishwasher,refrigerator and air conditioner.Whirlpool makes a better way to face a busy day,Wirlpool."

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Post# 5761-9/26/2001-09:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Philosophy (in 3 words)
MESSAGE: It's just cool!

-ph

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Post# 5762-9/26/2001-09:38 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I hope you still have the other machines you saved for me.

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Post# 5763-9/26/2001-09:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: They are catching a chill on the carport...

-ph

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Post# 5764-9/26/2001-10:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hello Angus and welcome to the club. I have a box of "Fluffy All" for wringer washers and I believe the box is yellow and the letters are red. Will check. Tom

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Post# 5765-9/26/2001-10:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I think they will be ok until I get back from Maryland.

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Post# 5766-9/26/2001-10:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Leave It To Beaver (June Cleaver's Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: DB, long time ago we discussed a similar situation with Lucy's first automatic and it too was unrecognizable for the very reasons you mention. There was nothing to give the identity of the Cleaver's machine except a couple of features that would only be noticed by the appliance obsessed. The terms of the contract you provided make perfect sense. Tom

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Post# 5767-9/26/2001-10:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (How to find vintage machines)
MESSAGE: Angus, all I would add to Robert's excellent advice is check thrift stores and second hand shops that sell old appliances. We have found some nice things at these places. Tom

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Post# 5768-9/26/2001-10:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: Louis, the word play is on the term heterosexual and the HE3t Sears FL. No need to explain off the club. Tom

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Post# 5769-9/26/2001-10:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: It's not the main motor that would be so much affected, but the timer motor would run a bit fast. TT

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Post# 5770-9/26/2001-10:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Angus,

Unfortunately Amana is not sold in Europe, except for the SxS fridges. I am familiar with Amana washers, there is even a picture with me and an Amana washer in the John C and Uni's Convention Photo Album (Scott's link on the Link Page). Amana was my favourite American brand before I had even seen one single american washer (allright, I saw a few overhere). Mostly because of the stainless steel drums they are using and the long agitator stroke on the washer. If I'm right your washer has the higher spinspeed of 710rpm.

I have two washers and two dryers. I have a Miele washer that is ten or eleven years old and which I bought second hand. It's a Novotronic model with a slanted front. Around 4 years ago I bought a Miele condenser dryer with a straight front. Besides that I have a matching AEG set from 1993. The washer is model 625 (I'll post pictures after I have moved) and the dryer is a vented one model 330.

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Post# 5771-9/26/2001-10:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Sunday, I washed the usual peppermint press load with detergent, color safe bleach and borax. Plenty of stuff in there. Threw a half cup of the sodium hexametaphosphate (generic Calgon) in the rinse water and had it covered in suds in a minute in the KitchenAid which is not a sudsing machine and this is after the famous TT spin spray rinsing. Wonderful stuff.

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Post# 5772-9/26/2001-10:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Kindness of friends)
MESSAGE: Angus, used to buy phosphated detergent in Florida and have friends bring it up to me in their motor home when they visited. TT

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Post# 5773-9/26/2001-10:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: The ad doesn't say whether it is working or not, perhaps you can send an email in english. This version of eBay is not available in English.

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Post# 5774-9/26/2001-10:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: Well, perhaps I am a little prejudiced, but Italian washers sure aren't my favourites. And if you would look for an Italian washer I'd rather go with Zanussi than with Ariston. And speaking of Hoover, I think you should really stay away from the British ones. I have no experience with them at all, but friends from the UK say they are really bad news.

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Post# 5775-9/26/2001-11:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (old Miele top loader...)
MESSAGE: There is indeed another one, this is a toploader, a late seventies model, the W483. The owner says it washes like the devil and that it works properly and is very reliable. It got a new belt around 18 months ago. It needs new hoses, but for the price you have a real Miele. This machine has an economy cycle. The owner doesn't want to ship and it's near Cologne.

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Post# 5776-9/26/2001-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I'm going to sit right here at my desk and wait for the pictures!!

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Post# 5777-9/26/2001-11:19 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Magic Clean!  (And HQOTS, too!)  I had a feeling you would come up with the details.

It's not my machine, but I can get pics and even some video clips and scans of the manual -- soon as I get a chance.

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Post# 5778-9/26/2001-11:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: Wouldn't you get tired of sitting in one spot for 3 days?

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Post# 5779-9/26/2001-11:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: Here is pic of the 56A painted and installed.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/56A.HTML

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Post# 5780-9/26/2001-11:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: I had the idea it was quite something different and believe me that was quite something different. You know, a dirty mind..

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Post# 5781-9/26/2001-11:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Miele for sale ... (WOW, Super Cool!)
MESSAGE: I heard some complaints from people who thought that European washers take to long to get a load done. Perhaps they shouldn't adapt the machines so they get a little faster ;-)

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Post# 5782-9/26/2001-11:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: The desk is next to my bed, it's possible to use the computer while I'm in bed.

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Post# 5783-9/26/2001-11:30 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: Ariston/Indesit are not good machines, they will wash and rinse ok, but they are built to a budget and it shows in the quality. They don't last a long time with regular use. This doesn't leave much hope for Asko which is now owned by Merloni...

The best Italian washers are Zanussi, which really are euivalent quality to Bosch/AEG/Siemens IMHO. The next best Italian washers are Whirlpool. Both Zanussi and Whirlpool usually get pretty good write ups.

As for Hoover - well, they used to be good, then they got bought by Maytag and the quality went way down, then they were sold to Candy and the machines started to work better and quieter but were still unreliable. I heard that Candy had invested a lot in Hoover to make the machines last longer, only time will tell on that front. To be honest, you'd be better off buying a Whirlpool! And do you have a website where you can view Australian FL machines?

J

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Post# 5784-9/26/2001-11:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: Ah, the naked dishwasher again. She looks really pretty now she is finished. Perhaps a bit demanding, but could you take a few pictures of the fully loaded racks, I know I'm not asking this for myself alone LOL.

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Post# 5785-9/26/2001-11:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan
MESSAGE: I think I'm getting a little senile here, just ignore it.

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Post# 5786-9/26/2001-11:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: My mother's first frontloader was a Candy, I think we are talking 1965. She had it less than one year and it broke down many times. I think since then nobody in my family or among my parents friends bought a Candy.

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Post# 5787-9/26/2001-11:41 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I'm going to stay as far away from that one as possible.

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Post# 5788-9/26/2001-11:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: Oh sure. I'll do that this afternoon.

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Post# 5789-9/26/2001-12:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: I'm not. I thought, how convenient!!! hehe

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Post# 5790-9/26/2001-15:40 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (my 75 set)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni, I can take pics of my super clean harvest gold imperial set. The washer is model LAA7500Y1.

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Post# 5791-9/26/2001-15:44 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Is the machine with the wood grain on top that says Imperial Seventy on the top left? If so thats the machine my mom had in 86, cool machine. It died tho because my mom would set the loadsize to reset to add more water and it likely spilled over and ruined the spin tube. It would wash and spin at the same time, then later would spin all the time (very slowly with the brake on when it should have been washing) Very sad death.

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Post# 5792-9/26/2001-16:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: Beautiful job Jason! What's your review of the performance?

Is this going to be a keeper?

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Post# 5793-9/26/2001-16:48 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 64 Lady K dryer
MESSAGE: Jason:

Congratulations on a great find. I cannot wait to see the your 1964 Lady Kenmore washer and matching dryer sitting together. Hopefully, someone (or myself) will either find a 1966-67 Lady Kenmore set (or a 1978 Lady Kenmore Electronic set) very soon.

So tell me Jason?? What kind of shape is the dryer in?? And if it needs any work, then how much work do you think it will need before you can get in top shape??

--Charles--

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Post# 5794-9/26/2001-17:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's correct -- wood-grain and Imperial Seventy. Has pushbutton temperature control, and a "hand wash" setting on the variable water level, and the double-duty Surgilator (the one with the wings on the skirt).  LOL, that reminds me of Mike's "sani" things with wings . . . under a skirt . . .!

I kinda lost track of Whirlpool after the early 1980's.  I recall the 7xxx models in the 1970's were dubbed "Supreme" and the 8xxx models were "Imperial."  And, of course, the 9800 "Imperial Mark 18."

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Post# 5795-9/26/2001-18:34 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Hetties meaning)
MESSAGE: What my Devildaddy meant by visiting the "hetties" is that he mean visiting the heterosexuals. I had never heard of that before he said that. Being heterosexually challenged that was a new one on moi.
Mike

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Post# 5796-9/26/2001-18:44 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements
MESSAGE: I have used the Mexican Ariel before and it cleans well but one tiny drawback....the suds..mountains of them and a friend of mine translated the directions and it calls for 2 cups of the detergent to be used. If you have soft water I would advise go easy and you can get away with using a 1/2 cup and you will still have to run the load thru 2 deep rinses. Mexico from what I was told has some of the hardest water in the world and thats why Mexican detergents suds like they do.
I have used Viva Total and loved that stuff and Roma and Foca. And the Suavitel fabric softener which is a bit PU-ish to me. So if you use a Whirlpool built washer or a front with Ariel Mexican then your going to be rinsing the load out and by the 5th and I do mean 5th deep rinse then you will curse the stuff. I know I did. If I use it now I mix it with Tide HE and the HE seems to tame it but not completely.
Mike

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Post# 5797-9/26/2001-18:59 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Philosophy
MESSAGE: I find that when I do laundry I am in my own world where I can relax. I see the piles of laundry after I sort it all out and know that yeah I have some "work" to do but its a labor of love. I used to wash for a family of 7 so you can imagine how much laundry was generated. 3 loads a day sometimes more.
When you have a good machine like I have in my Maytag and Frigidaire GM washers it is an enjoyable time. My Maytag now is awesome since I put the Original turquoise PowerFin in it and with the dual filtration that I have cat hair and lint are gone. I love the smell of the clothes when they come out of the washer and the way my clothes smell when they come out of the dryer. My Maytag Atlantis dryer is fast and I leave the window open behind the dryer to pull in the outside air and my clothes come out smelling like they were dried outdoors.
But I dont limit myself to just my washers and dryers I do love my dishwasher. I know that when I put my dishes into the machine it will wash them clean and I love looking at my glassware and pots and pans and seeing the shine on them. I always "pat" my dishwasher on the top of the control panel and say good job as always. I cant wait til they make machines that talk back to you in a friendly way so you interact with them ...not like the internet ones but with speech.
Mike

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Post# 5798-9/26/2001-19:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (A Hettie visits the Hetties)
MESSAGE: Well then, that would be me :-)



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Post# 5799-9/26/2001-19:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Peter - thanks for clarifying the practi-taza question. I have tried VIVA detergent before and liked it a lot, but most of the Mexican markets in the Connecticut area carry only Ariel. Next time I drive ito Manhattan (a slight problem these days), I know a few markets in Harlem or Washington Heights where I get VIVA. I will post it when I can find some. As an aside, Ariel was introduced into the US in 1983 as a low sudsing super concentrate. I was travelling a lot in those days so I remember seeing it in Denver (and of course bringing home several boxes) - a great city for test market stuff. Unfortunately it never went national.

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Post# 5800-9/26/2001-19:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Philosophy (in 3 words)
MESSAGE: Agreed!!

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Post# 5801-9/26/2001-19:27 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YAY)
MESSAGE: DADoES,
I read your post about the 70's model #'S on Whrilpools and you say Imperial models were 8xxx in the 70's. I think that must have been changed in the late 70's because my mother has a 1979 Imperial Seventy gas dryer that she bought on 11/22/79 at the local Memco store and it is model LFI 7801 the electric version being LFE 7800. I checked my 1979 Consumers buyers guide thinking that maybe my mom got an early 1980 model but according to the guide in 1979 there was a LFI 7801 gas dryer available and while it doesn't say it is an Imperial Seventy the description of the dryer matches my mothers perfectly. I have grown quite fond of this dryer as it is the one my mom has had since I was 3 1/2 years old (it replaced the 1963 Kenmore Soft Heat 70 my mom got when she got married). This dryer has performed wonderfully for 22 years and the only thing we've ever replaced is the door latch and the squeaking drum support wheels (which because of its constant use need replacing again). For the first 11 years of its use it did laundry for an 6 people 4 days a week and it has out lasted 2 washing machines (3 if you count the fact that when the 1963 Kenmore 70 at our lake house died in August 1989 we took the 1983 Whirlpool Supreme my mother had here up there). I plan to take pictures of it for the web page and the 1983 Supreme washer at the lake too. I don't care what people say though I THINK (meaning I am of the opinion) that the belt drive machines are the coolest that Whirlpool ever made.

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Post# 5802-9/26/2001-19:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: I am always excited by a vintage detergent find - please let me know the color combo of the box - I always thought it was red box with yellow letters, but you know how packaging designs can change. I wonder - didn't AD come in a yellow box with red letters also?

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Post# 5803-9/26/2001-19:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Kindness of friends)
MESSAGE: TT - goes to show great minds do think alike - my friends thought my request slightly odd but that never stopped me at all!! I also used to ask them to ship me cases of VANO liquid starch - a Purex (now Dial) brand that was not available east of Salt Lake City. Sadly, like most great brands, Vano has been discontinued - I guess the liquid starch market is somewhat "mature", and Dial already had another similar product called StaFlo. And of course being me, I am not at all happy with that product. I do however sitll have 12 half gallons of Vano -again only to be used on Important Laundry Occasions.....

And let's not even get me started on Lever Bros. decision to discontinue my two favorite brands of bath soap - Lifebuoy and Lux!

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Post# 5804-9/26/2001-20:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I have to agree on the BD Whirly. The Direct Drive does the job but it's just not as "cool" as the good ol' belt drive. Most of us grew up on a belt-drive Kenmore or Whirlpool so we share the same affection towards those machines.

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Post# 5805-9/26/2001-20:58 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: I love the way it works!! The dishes were actually cleaner than what I would get form the Power Clean but don't tell anyone.

Yes, I am going to keep the beast. I think right where she is too.

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Post# 5806-9/26/2001-21:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements
MESSAGE: Thanks - Mike - looks like I have some experimenting to do. I will be using the Ariel in an Amana top loader, which doesn't whip up that much excess foam unless you use the small load setting. Good idea to cut it with the HE detergent. I hear that Ariel also makes a HE detergent - at least that's what I can decipher from the pictures on the package... So I will keep my eyes open for that. As for Suavitel, I usually don't use fabric softeners, but I have tried the yellow bottle - "morning sun" (or more properly - "aroma del sol", and it is not as strong as the blue or green bottles. Have you tried NuSoft, Lavender Sachet (OK, OK no wise remarks), Purex or Final Touch? Those do not seem as strong as Downy, Snuggle, etc... Now that I have said all that, I assume that you meant liquids - if you meant dryer sheets, forget everything I just said. Suavitel sheets are incredibly strong and one sheet can be split up to do four loads. I was partial to Purex "fresh & soft" sheets in the gentle rain scent. But of course, Dial sold this part of the business to Arm & Hammer who immediately kept the horrible artificial floral scent and eliminated my scent!! Curses!!!!!!

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Post# 5807-9/26/2001-21:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Whirlpool Models / Names)
MESSAGE: Interesting!  Our LDA-7800 was a 1976 model, and was a "Supreme 80" (18-pounder).  I don't recall for sure, but the matching LDE-7800 dryer may have been just a "Supreme" without the "80."

There was also an LDA-7700 that was a "Supreme 70" (standard capacity).  Then the LDA-8700 was the "Imperial 70" (standard capacity), and the LDA-8800 was the "Imperial 80" (18-pounder).

The next series after LDA was LFA, of which the LFA-9800 was the first electronic control model, and the model names may well have changed at that point.  There was also a 9500 (I think) electronic model, of either the LFA or LHA series (I think) that was a bit less featured than the 9800.  The syntax had to change after the LHA/E series, because it would have repeated the 1962 LJA.

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Post# 5808-9/26/2001-21:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: Some picts of the d/w inside have been posted. The bottom rack was half empty before I remembered to take the picts.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/56A.HTML

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Post# 5809-9/26/2001-21:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Louis - You are right - -my Amana is one of last year's "Perfect Balance" series with the 710 rpm spin speed. Interesting event today, speaking of Amana. I was in a local used appliance store, talking to the owner about what I was looking for. There were several pairs of White Westinghouse stackables - from the early 80's I would guess, along with at least 10 recent top loading General Electrics (considering what GE once was, this is a sad statement about the overall quality of GE laundry in recent years). I can say that because I had one of those myself and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I think two transmissions, and replacing the inner tub suspension straps twice in three years is a bit excessive. I actually got GE to buy the unit back from me and that is how I ended up with the Amana - but I digress. Over in the corner I spotted what was probably a 20 year old Amana washer. The control panel was, oddly enough, shaped like a Whirlpool panel, but obviously was not. Inside, the machine looked like a Speed Queen, which would make sense since Amana Laundry was introduced in 1982 and Speed Queen manufactured it for them.
Sounds like you have the beginnings of an interesting collection, though...........

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Post# 5810-9/26/2001-21:27 ||| C4aboyd (California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Flair 1960's Range/Oven Parts
MESSAGE: Hi - My name is Carole and I am looking for parts for a Frigidaire Flair Custom Imperial range/oven model RCIB-645-2. I have included the original part number following the description of the parts needed: clock (6563663), range hood motor (5879986), glass control panel (6567597). Also need the decorative chrome or aluminum strip at the top of the range hood. I sure would appreciate any help you can offer in locating these items. Many thanks!

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Post# 5811-9/26/2001-22:07 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done) (yay!)
MESSAGE: Congrats, Jason, the KDS-16 series is my most favorite dishwasher. It looks great, and washes pretty good in my book.
Enjoy!! SteveD

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Post# 5812-9/26/2001-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (YaY)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, please do they both would be a wonderful addition to the museum.

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Post# 5813-9/26/2001-01:48 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Another washer song
MESSAGE: WOW! AC/DC originate from my area of Sydney! The much maligned Bankstown! Actually the even worse reputatation Villawood. When There families emigrated to Australia in the sixties, they lived in the Villawood Migrant Hostel. The Easybeats originated from there too, actually one of the Easybeats was the older brother of Angus and Malcolm Young.

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Post# 5814-9/26/2001-01:54 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I?
MESSAGE: Hi! Whirlpool is the market leader in Aus for front loaders. LG would probably be second. Asko and Bendix/Thor (made by Philco) are also very popular.

Zanussi is not available on our market. I think Fisher and Paykel were going to introduce them on the market but they never appeared even though they ran magazine advertisements. Zanussi seems to be quite popular in New Zealand though.

here is the link to the Whirlpool australia site, I hope the link goes right through to the right pages, otherwise just click on prodicts.
LINK: http://www.whirlpool.com.au/

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Post# 5815-9/27/2001-02:00 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I? (Hoovers)
MESSAGE: I dont know if the British are the same but Australians will bag our own Hoover and Simpson machines but get all excited about New Zealand Made Fisher and paykel, even though F&P have proven to be no more reliable than other brands. Miele, Hitachi and Kleenmaid usually top reliability surveys.

Maytag ruined Hoover. They sold the Australian arm off to pay for that airlin ticked fiasco in the UK in the early nineties. SOuthcorp then proceded to sell Hoover to Email who chewed them up and Spat out the remains to Electrolux. So Now American Hoover is owned by Maytag, European Hoover is owned by Candy and Australian Hoover is own by Electrolux.

Man I hape Corporate Greed and Globalisation.

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Post# 5816-9/27/2001-02:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge slogan (Hetties meaning)
MESSAGE: OHHHH!

Well you can have your Devildaddy and I will have Hedy Lamarr!

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Post# 5817-9/27/2001-02:11 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (WoW! !986 can hardly be vintage)
MESSAGE: I cant Believe that 1986 was 16 years ago! In 1986 I was listening to Heart, Bananarama, and the Bangles and watching Neighbours with Kylie MInougue. The Next year she launched her singing career and she is still going! Kylie is beautiful and I would marry her in a minute, except she is too short!

We have council clean up and there are Heaps of 80's Vintage Hoovers and Simpsons lining the streets, as well as old Belt drive Whirlies! Maybe we shouldnt of throun our old Simpson out.

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Post# 5818-9/27/2001-04:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Larie)
MESSAGE: I remember that it was introduced many many years ago. I think that must have been in the seventies. Immediately there was a comical sketch on TV about detergent. They used the Ariel box, but since they couldn't use the name "Ariel" they turned the word the other way around so it said "Larie", which means nonsense in Dutch.

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Post# 5819-9/27/2001-07:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Larie)
MESSAGE: Hey Louis

Why did the lady put a box of Persil on her television set?

She had no Ariel!!

Ha! Ha!

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Post# 5820-9/27/2001-07:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I? (Hoovers)
MESSAGE: Oh Yeah, It gets better, Maytag screwed Hoover and then left Hoover after they got what they wanted, but the stilled Used Southcorp who Bought Hoover to import their appliances to Australia.

With the Email sell of and Electrolux takeover Maytag now imports its own appliances and has set up a subsidiary.

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Post# 5821-9/27/2001-07:51 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I? (Bendix question?)
MESSAGE: While we are still on the subject of European front loaders, ( my favourote) My Grandmother in England has always had Indesit front loaders. It wasnt as much fun to watch as my Aunties Hoover. It was a beautiful machine with electronic controls. I got Hotpoint and Hoover brochures when I was over there and took them home with me, as I was only 12 at the time, I lost them and would just kill to have them today.

Hey Cafe Jim, can you tell me about Tricity Bendix and does it have any conection to the philco company that makes Australian Bendix machines?
LINK: http://www.bendixaust.com.au/

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Post# 5822-9/27/2001-08:20 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: What drug is this woman on!
MESSAGE: Been Surfing, Check this out!

I suppose that some people never get out of the past.
LINK: http://frugalliving.about.com/library/weekly/aa030700b.htm?rnk=r10&terms=washing+machines

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Post# 5823-9/27/2001-09:04 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair 1960's Range/Oven Parts (Modern Parts House)
MESSAGE: Hi Carole and welcome to Applianceville. For those parts try Larry at Modern Parts House in Cleveland. His phone # is 216-661-6966. Tell him Robert from Minneapolis sent you.

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Post# 5824-9/27/2001-09:17 ||| cafejim (Edinburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, I'm not tripping, am I? (Tricity-Bendix)
MESSAGE: Tricity-Bendix was made up of Tricity cooking appliances bought from Thorn, and Bendix appliances (white goods) which was an independent company. Both were bought by Electrolux and the company merged. Now they are sold as a budget company in the UK for most white goods, and as a fairly well respected one for cookers.

The washers etc are rebadged low end Zanussi machines. They are usually similar prices and performance to Indesit machines but are a lot more reliable. They aren't anything to do with Philco, which is part of Merloni.

If that made sense...

J

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Post# 5825-9/27/2001-10:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: MW dryer
MESSAGE: If I pick up a gold mid-70's Montgomery Ward (Norge)dryer, would this be the first MW machine in our collections?

No, Greg, you can't have it for your collection! We all know how you love GOLD appliances... :)

-ph

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Post# 5826-9/27/2001-10:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: MW dryer
MESSAGE: No, Tom has one.

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Post# 5827-9/27/2001-11:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: Silly, almost forgot! Thank you for sharing the pictures. I noticed now that the plates find a place in teh middle of the bottom rack, I don't think I have seen that before on other brands, very interesting. I guess that is because of the form of the upper rack. BTW, the racks seem deeper than on European dishwashers. Is this is a normal American size rack?

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Post# 5828-9/27/2001-11:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Angus,

Are you interested in purchasing the 20 year old Amana? Sounds interesting to me (I know some people here consider Speed Queen pretty boring). I think I saw a similar Amana on eBay a while ago.

I like the washing machines that I have, but I would be very pleased with a few older Mieles, I am especially interested in their non-spinning toploaders, partly because they are compact machines. And there is also an agitator washer (non-automatic) made by Miele that I really like. It is square and has a timer, a heating element with a thermostat and a pump. When I was young I knew several people that had one like that. Unfortunately I have only little space. But I do have two rotary ironers. There are pictures of them in one of my album, I posted a link to it. The ironers are in pictures numbers 12 and 29
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 5829-9/27/2001-11:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (an Amana time of year)
MESSAGE: I've noticed that Amana is the rejected machine du jour to find at the used appliance places I go. Earlier this summer was Westinghouse season, now it's Amana...

-ph

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Post# 5830-9/27/2001-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on!
MESSAGE: Doesn't she know about automatic suds saver washers yet?

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Post# 5831-9/27/2001-12:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Wringer washer)
MESSAGE: I've always wanted to use a wringer washer. It would be quite fun actually do some laundry the old fashioned way. Then when the clothes are rinsed in wringed, I can spin them in the Whirly or just let them dry on the line (just like the old days).

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Post# 5832-9/27/2001-12:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: Yes Louis, this is a normal size depth for american dishwashers, although this KA may be a bit deeper than the normal width. Anyway, all single-level wash KAs were arranged so that the dinner plates went down the center of the rack and small plates were to go along the sides. With just dinner plates, this rack arrangement can appear to be "full" very quickly without many saucers, salad plates, and bread & butter plates. The manual I saw as a child suggested small saucers or cereal bowls and fingertip/fruit bowls go in the upper rack parallel with the large dinner plates in the lower (meaning in the center of the top rack). Unfortunately I'm going to be a real stickler here about the way of loading this machine, but the plates should be standing upright and not leaning forward and the cereal bowls should have been placed along the outer left & right edges of the bottom rack upright or in the top rack. Certain style cereal bowls could have ipact on water forces getting to top rack in these machines. I neveerr once saw an ad or in the manual, dinner plates leaning forward--they were always upright. The only bowls I eve saw put in the bottom rack were 10" rimmed soup bowls standing upright. Other types of bowls were placed elsewhere in the ad photos. Then again, the commercial ad photos to me didn't represent a family's typicl days worth of dishes, unless one had eggs & such for breakfast as well as dinner plates and sandwitches for lunch. Then, all those plates could easily fit in the machine.

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Post# 5833-9/27/2001-15:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: And washing machines should be loaded properly too.

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Post# 5834-9/27/2001-16:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Louis - I certainly do not find Speed Queen/Amana boring, but right now since I have no collection, I am not certain that a 20 year old Amana is what I need. Besides, it was in a back corner of the used appliance shop so I would think I have some time if I change my mind.......

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Post# 5835-9/27/2001-16:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Wringer washer)
MESSAGE: I guess you may be right - it might be fun to do laundry this way for some "sport". But a friend who grew up on a farm in the Pennsylvania Allegheny Mountains and did laundry that way until she was 23 has a slightly different opinion - funny we were just discussing this last week........!!

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Post# 5836-9/27/2001-17:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Well, friends, I decided to visit a few used appliance stores today. The first didn't unearth any must haves, but the proprietor was quite friendly and knowledgable and promised to stay alert for any older Frigidaires, Philcos, Norges, Speed Queens or Westinghouse Laundromats. Out of the next three - nothing except a Westinghouse dryer of uncertain year(sometime in the late 60's) and model. Couldn;t get any closer since the store was closed. Then I had an idea. I went to an appliance dealer, drove around the back and chatted up the delivery guys. They thought what I wanted was pretty funny and kept trying to send me into the store to buy a new Kitchen Aid....... But, the lead guy and I exchanged numbers and since they are a pretty large dealer, said that not only would look out for me, but I was welcome to come over a few times each week and crawl around the staging area. If nothing else maybe I will get a date....

Anyway - here is what I found today. Is any of it worth grabbing now? Of course, since these guys just remove the stuff, I have no idea of their real condition...... I am also concerned because I don't want to get stuff just to get it:
- Maytag washer model A203 - looks like late 50's with the little black agitator. Seems to be clean and in very good condition - probably owned by a nice old lady who used it to wash her doilies.
- GE "Americana" washer - I have no idea what year it could be, but I am guessing late 60's or early 70's. The console has the gold background with a flourescent light across the top. Also has a turquoise straight vane activator with minibasket and an unusual activator mounted detergent dispenser. The bleach and fabric softener dispensers are located under the lid on each side of the wash tub in the loading port. APpeared to be in reasonably good shape considering its age, but was missing the filter flo pan and of course have no idea about mechanical condition. If like my 1982 GE, probably is leaking transmission oil....
- Frigidaire 1-18 dryer in Harvest Gold - what else? I couldn't see the model number since I would have had to move 12 refrigerators and 6 ranges to get to it - but it had a knob with 4 temp selections and a wood grain control panel.

Other than that most were the usual recent model GE/Hotpoints, some mid 80's Whirlpools/Kenmores one or two 1980's Speed Queens with porcelain tubs, and many "Tragic Chef" washers and dryers. So any thoughts on the three I enumerated?

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Post# 5837-9/27/2001-17:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Well, friends, I decided to visit a few used appliance stores today. The first didn't unearth any must haves, but the proprietor was quite friendly and knowledgable and promised to stay alert for any older Frigidaires, Philcos, Norges, Speed Queens or Westinghouse Laundromats. Out of the next three - nothing except a Westinghouse dryer of uncertain year(sometime in the late 60's) and model. Couldn;t get any closer since the store was closed. Then I had an idea. I went to an appliance dealer, drove around the back and chatted up the delivery guys. They thought what I wanted was pretty funny and kept trying to send me into the store to buy a new Kitchen Aid....... But, the lead guy and I exchanged numbers and since they are a pretty large dealer, said that not only would look out for me, but I was welcome to come over a few times each week and crawl around the staging area. If nothing else maybe I will get a date....

Anyway - here is what I found today. Is any of it worth grabbing now? Of course, since these guys just remove the stuff, I have no idea of their real condition...... I am also concerned because I don't want to get stuff just to get it:
- Maytag washer model A203 - looks like late 50's with the little black agitator. Seems to be clean and in very good condition - probably owned by a nice old lady who used it to wash her doilies.
- GE "Americana" washer - I have no idea what year it could be, but I am guessing late 60's or early 70's. The console has the gold background with a flourescent light across the top. Also has a turquoise straight vane activator with minibasket and an unusual activator mounted detergent dispenser. The bleach and fabric softener dispensers are located under the lid on each side of the wash tub in the loading port. APpeared to be in reasonably good shape considering its age, but was missing the filter flo pan and of course have no idea about mechanical condition. If like my 1982 GE, probably is leaking transmission oil....
- Frigidaire 1-18 dryer in Harvest Gold - what else? I couldn't see the model number since I would have had to move 12 refrigerators and 6 ranges to get to it - but it had a knob with 4 temp selections and a wood grain control panel.

Other than that most were the usual recent model GE/Hotpoints, some mid 80's Whirlpools/Kenmores one or two 1980's Speed Queens with porcelain tubs, and many "Tragic Chef" washers and dryers. So any thoughts on the three I enumerated?

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Post# 5838-9/27/2001-17:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: DUPLICATION - APOLOGY
MESSAGE: Sorry, sent my message twice - a small computer problem..... me!

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Post# 5839-9/27/2001-18:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: The GE would be nice.  GE in the late 1960's and early 1970's was among the few non-Whirlpool/Kenmore machines with which I had interaction, and I was fascinated by them.  I sent off to GE for info, and a nice lady sent me spec sheets for all the current models (at that time).  The TOL model with the DispenseAll (I don't recall it being called the "Americana" but it certainly could have been -- was that always the designation for the TOL DispenseAll model?) was the cat's meow for a while, but I never was able to convince the parents to get one.

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Post# 5840-9/27/2001-18:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Get the GE. It can always be fixed.

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Post# 5841-9/27/2001-19:27 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (softeners)
MESSAGE: Angus I have used and love the NuSoft softener..the original scent not the mountain skunk scent. Final Touch does not smell the same as what I remember of it ..smells more like Snuggle so it s really not unique any more. I do love Downy Mountain Spring scent and my all time favorite is Fleecy Extra Fresh liquid. That stuff I dont know what it is ..but it makes me close my eyes and enjoy the scent. My sheets come out so soft and I sleep like a baby when I use it. I always get comments on how good my towels smell and my shirts. It comes in both liquid and dryer sheets and you can only get it in Canada. If Colgate matketed it here it would be a big hit and in fact knock Downy out hands down. but they have no plans on marketing it here not even in here New England.
Canada also has another product that I love and thats Sunlight Tablets. The Sunlight with Bleach Tabs are so powerful that its all you need for a load and you toss in 2 tabs and the results are stunning. My whites look new and they'glow" when they come out of the washer. It removes stains that Tide cant even budge like Spagetti sauce and chocolate syrup stains and the ground in grime in socks. My socks look new when I use it. And no trace of the grunge is detectable either.
Mike

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Post# 5842-9/27/2001-19:47 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS (KD-67 version)
MESSAGE: Wow did the racks and interior remind me of the KD-67 Portable dishwasher my mom had when I was growing up. I used to load this machine and had it down to a science. Plates in the middle small plates on the side tines and bowls along the edge and a pan in the back for the lower rack and glasses on the outer areas and cereal bowls and plastics up on top. Since it was a one level dishwasher the lower rack came out great. That pump made the Hydrosweep move the 35 gpm thru the tub.
But on occasion the glasses wouldnt come clean and there were flecks of dirt on the top of the load on the top rack. I didnt prerinse the either and the way the water nozzles are designed ..like a water knife...it stripped the dishes clean and the cycle was short. This machine didnt mess around. Pots and pans were washed in another load with the top rack removed so I would stand up cookie sheets and wash large pots and stand up my pans and angle them to get the most water from the arm. There were times I would see the dishwasher move in the kitchen during a pots and pans load...as interesting to see that kinda power being unleashed inside. And yes it does clean better than the PowerClean Whirlpool. I even experimented with a 2 way arm in this machine that I got from a Westinghouse dishwasher that had the slots in it and it was angled up like a V. There was enough space around the top of the wash pump spindle that I added a tower to the rack that was from the westinghouse that had the free spinning top it and I used those plastic tiedown straps to keep the tower on the rack. I also had to drill a couple of holes into the base of the tower to accomadate the lower rack tines. The performance was excellent and it allowed me to put pots and pans in both racks and they washed well...the tower blasted a spray thru the top rackand there was a V notch in the round disc that spun at high speed..and the sound it made was alike a whooosh.
Great machine enjoy it !
Mike

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Post# 5843-9/27/2001-20:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Well DADoES - my parents couldn't be convinced either - I too was fascinated by the GE and Frigidaire machines of that time, but the folks were die hard Kenmore fanatics and on top of that, replaced the 1960 "Pink Lady" with a nondescript low end Kenmore model. I do not think the GE I saw today was TOL since it only had Regular, Delicate, Perm Press, mini quick and extra rinse cycles and what appeared to be the activator mounted detergent dispenser looked like it had to be filled manually. If I remember correctly, the Dispensall models had a smaller loading lid as part of the main lid so you could load up all your potions... wish I could have gotten to the model number on that machine - then I would know the year - hell the lit console alone is worth looking into it - I always was a sucker for that stuff!
As for Fleecy, I have the same comments from others. Perhaps I need to cultivate some contacts in Canada so I can get care packages. I am also familiar with Sunlight - strange that the Sunlight brand in the US is only for dishwashing products - I bet the detergent would take off. Is it still a lemon fragrance? On the other hand - - the Surf brand in Canada is Lever Brothers bargain brand while it is one of Lever's flagship brands here. The other thing you may already have in Texas - which has not reached New England (no surprise here) is Wisk tablets with bleach - I wonder if they are comparable to Sunlight. I hear that Surf tablets are out now also, but not with bleach..... And who are we kidding anyway - I miss my trusted King Size box of "blue" Cheer!!!

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Post# 5844-9/27/2001-20:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Yeah..... I am a sucker for old GE's with lit control panels. And the straight vane activator did a much better job washing than the curved vanes on my 1982 model!

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Post# 5845-9/27/2001-20:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Sorry - DADoES - I managed to combine my replies to both you and nmaineman36 in the same message - been a long day!

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Post# 5846-9/27/2001-20:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (softeners)
MESSAGE: Mike - I managed to combine my reply to you and DADoES in the same message - sorry for any confusion. It's been one of those days!! I got a big chuckle from your comment about NuSoft in the "mountain Skunk" scent. What's the possibility of you crossing the border for fabric softener and detergent tablets? Hmm... contraband laundry supplies......

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Post# 5847-9/27/2001-20:46 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Wringer washer)
MESSAGE: Hey ANgus, maybe you should send this link on to you frined and ask her if she thinks that Modern Automatic washin gmachines are for wimpy wet blouses with there "softly curved agitators"

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Post# 5848-9/27/2001-20:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: I love old GE's too. They used to be so popular in Australia, but now you hardly ever see them in stores. But I just love the combination of knobs and buttons on their control panels and ilove the mini basket. But the filter flo pan I think gets in the way of watching the wash action.

Ge was also the last manufacturer to use the spiral pattern agitator. its such a shame no one makes them anymore.

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Post# 5849-9/27/2001-20:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Classic Blue Cheer)
MESSAGE: Mmmmm, loved the scent.  Especially on a cold winter day (washer was in the unheated garage, or at Granny's in the "washhouse" out back), with a hot wash and the moisture/scent wafting up . . .

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Post# 5850-9/27/2001-20:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Wringer washer)
MESSAGE: Excellent idea - she has a pretty good sense of humor - I bet she would enjoy this no end!!!

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Post# 5851-9/27/2001-21:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: I agree the filter flo pan gets in the way of watching the wash action, but I will tell you it was one of the best systems for getting rid of lint without clogging up drains. I can't tell you how many times our laundry sink overflowed whe we had the old Kenmore with the self cleaning filter. No one ever remembered to clean the drain! Besides, because of that filter, you had that constant recirculating waterfall. Beautiful on the rinse cycle when you had bluing in the water for the white wash. I must say though I actually preferred the straight vane GE activators over the curved swirl ones. I think the straight vanes did a better cleaning job and for some reason - just my perception perhaps - seemed like the curved activators gave you less tub capacity..... Perhaps I am slightly crazed...........

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Post# 5852-9/27/2001-21:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I didnt have much affection for the old BD. I blame my mother for that partly because the kenmore we had was major boring! Hot warm cold, high low, normal, PP, delicate. No dual action or anything. I had to go to sears to get some action! (not from the sales men of course) or to my aunts house who had an old frigidaire. It wasnt till I got on my own that I finally got a washing machine that had some damn knobs and bottons to push.


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Post# 5853-9/27/2001-21:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Classic Blue Cheer)
MESSAGE: You know, so did I. I have a particularly sensitive nose, and I always felt the classic old Cheer fragrance was the best, and followed by the original Fab scent before all that 70's "lemon freshened borax" crap. There were a few others whose fragrances I liked OK, but I remember I hated Tide (too strong) and Oxydol (too harsh), both my mother's favorites. Imagine the craziness when I, as a 10 year old yelled and refused to wear clothes washed in those detergents because they smelled funny. She eventually switched to Cheer and I was in heaven. I guess she figured this was not one of those battles she needed to win - and to boot she was happier with the results anyway!!

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Post# 5854-9/27/2001-21:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Forgot to mention how much I miss my mini basket also. You know Consumer Reports always declared that the minibasket was not as efficient as touted and really was a waste. But once I started using it I was hooked - it was unbeatable for doing just a few things or a load of socks. Actually I just remembered. In the early 70's when Hotpoint adopted the GE design , they introduced a washer - only available as a Hotpoint that was supposed to be able to do two loads at once. There was the regular wash tub and something that lookedlike a huge "mini basket" that fit over the agitator so you could, for example, wash whites and colors together. I never saw one in action and the whole idea didn't last that long. I was curious if anyone ever saw one of those. Maybe it went the way of Hotpoint's "fountain filter".........

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Post# 5855-9/27/2001-21:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Crosley has a wringer?)
MESSAGE: Anyone know what's up with the wringer - who makes this?

Did anyone email her and tell her about the club? She may find some of the topics interesting.

I can't imagine washing that way other than for fun, but I have yet to try it.

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Post# 5856-9/27/2001-21:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Yeah, our '62 Whirlpool was kinda boring, too -- hot/warm/cold, high/medium/low, normal/gentle.  No pushbuttons.  I thought that's all there was!  And really (I can hear the screams of protest from the audience), in those days, and perhaps even now, that's about all one really needs.  What a shock when I was introduced to a family friend's Whirlpool Imperial (a model from the 1960's, I think), that had five temperature combinations (as I recall, the knob had a pointer for the wash temp at the top and a cut-out section at the bottom that revealed the rinse temp), variable water level, and a flourescent light (that had a bad starter or something and only flickered a bit).

Then there came other brands with fancier controls, Lady Kenmores with keyboards and spiffy lights, and such as that.

Whew!

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Post# 5857-9/27/2001-21:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Get the Amana and play with it for a while. When something better comes along, give it to a good home and enjoy the new one. The older porcelain topped Amanas and Speed Queens were reliable machines. Not high in drama, but I think most of them had recirculating filters which are always fun.

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Post# 5858-9/27/2001-22:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Classic Blue Cheer)
MESSAGE: Several detergent scents I liked, but hard to recall them all.  Punch had an almost candy-like scent.  I liked All, for a while.  Then I got sick with a virus or something, and something in my sensory perceptions changed, and the scent of All made me nauseous! I don't recall Fab other than the lemon-fresh version.

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Post# 5859-9/27/2001-22:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: Get all three!

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Post# 5860-9/27/2001-22:09 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: This is how much the mini-basket concept affected me . . .

I tried to make one for our Whirlpool.  Tried different designs, never could get it quite right, LOL!  I cut out the bottom of a suitable-sized plastic bowl or other container, so it would fit over the agitator.  Cut pieces of water hose or other such material, and shoved them into the MagicMix filter outlet to direct water into the pseudo-mini-basket.  It worked to a degree.  I punched holes in the sides or bottom so the water would circulate out, but I had trouble getting the water to run out at the proper rate so as to have enough in for some washing action, but still prevent the items (socks or washclothes or swatches of fabric) from floating over and out, and they had a terrible tendency to fly out during spin.

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Post# 5861-9/27/2001-22:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: To this day, I've never seen a GE mini-basket in operation.

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Post# 5862-9/27/2001-22:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Classic Blue Cheer)
MESSAGE: Interesting - Punch and Ajax (and to a lesser extent Rinso with Color Bleach) were my mother's backups to Cheer. Liked both of those a lot. I had a different, but also negative All experience. Mom tried it for a short while and after a few boxes I developed a rash all over ....well, you get the idea. Must have been the 3B's - the "bleach, borax and brighteners". The rash went away when we went back to Cheer.....

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Post# 5863-9/27/2001-22:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: To replace our BOL '72 GE washer, my mother bought an '81 Maytag BOL, std. capacity and TWO water levels. It was so BOL that it didn't even have a filter - just a blue cap over the agitator. My mother got a filter/dispenser for her birthday, I was heartbroken with her choice, but it did it's job reliably. But there wasn't much else interesting on the market by then anyway, all mundane, utilitarian designs.

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Post# 5864-9/27/2001-22:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: DADoES - if you have never seen a Real, True GE minibasket in operation - you have missed a rare treat. Fascinating -- you addthe clothes to the basket and cover the basket with the filter flo pan and add detergent to the filter pan. When you start the machine, water flows into the main tub, just like a normal wash. But when the water hits a certain level, even lower than the small load, the agitation begins and the recirculating water from the filter fills the minibasket. Since there are perforations at the bottom of the minibasket, it never overflows and just enough water stays in the main tub to continue to operate the filter. Since the basket sits on and moves with the activator, the wash action is quite gentle. Then for the spin, there are holes on the top of the minibasket to allow for the traditional centrifugalGE drain/spin. Very fun to watch!!!!

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Post# 5865-9/27/2001-22:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: I am so tempted - and I can't feature that they will charge me for them since I would be taking them from the compactor area - but I of course have no idea what is wrong with them. Of the three the Frigidaire dryer looks the worst - there are big rust spots on the top of the cabinet and it just has the look of an abused appliance. Now if I could only score a Philco-Bendix Automagic Dryer..... - (actually one of my neighbors even had one - they got rid of it years ago). oh, if I knew then what I know now.................

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Post# 5866-9/27/2001-22:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Washer)
MESSAGE: My Dryer is a 70s GE. Almond, with black & brown control panel. Has buttons on one side and the knob on the other. I'd love to find its mate with a mini-basket.

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Post# 5867-9/27/2001-23:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Great idea!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like a good idea for a video!!!

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Post# 5868-9/27/2001-23:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on! (Crosley has a wringer?)
MESSAGE: I get a feeling that she wouldn't get on with certain members of this club. But then that would make things really interesting!!!

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Post# 5869-9/27/2001-00:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: How the minibasket works has been a mystery to me all my life; what fun to finally know the story!

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Post# 5870-9/27/2001-00:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on!
MESSAGE: You'd be surprised how often we visit estate sales where wringer washers were still in use exclusively, and they are present along with an automatic quite frequently, since even some owners of automatics are loath to give them up altogether. I know of at least two very nice automatic washers Robert got because their owners went back to their wringer washers early on.

Many women who were already established in homemaking by the time automatics were widely available insisted that the wringer washers clean much better. Of course part of that is owing to the fact that you can let it wash half the day if you want.

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Post# 5871-9/27/2001-00:30 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: That's right. All you really need are the 3 temps and 3 water levels. Oh and 2 speeds. But that is only to 'get the job done' which is what most people want to do. Unlike us!

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Post# 5872-9/27/2001-00:32 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: I've had 2 of them and I really loved how they worked. I would use it for a few items or really dirty stuff. I would have another one if they (the GE machine in general) weren't such a water hog.

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Post# 5873-9/27/2001-00:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done)
MESSAGE: Hi sweetie, the KDS 56 looks Superb(a). Glad to hear it's working well! For many years the Kitchen Aid was thought of as the only worthwhile dishwasher to get.

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Post# 5874-9/27/2001-00:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: welcome new members
MESSAGE: I've noticed so many new members this week or so I've lost track, which is great! Welcome to all!

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Post# 5875-9/27/2001-00:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: SteveD's Appliances
MESSAGE: SteveD sent me a link to view his pictures a while ago.  I don't recall where exactly they are on the 'net, but I saved them to my drive, and have finally gotten them posted for all to see.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/steved/pics.htm

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Post# 5876-9/27/2001-00:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: SteveD's Appliances
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting these Glenn! Thanks Steve, I've always wanted to see your appliances! Scott

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Post# 5877-9/27/2001-00:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Has anyone tried this product? Any comments? I have noticed people coming through my checkout with it recently. I thought it came up once, but didn't come across it when I searched the archives.

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Post# 5878-9/28/2001-06:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, I got the "meaning". I did towels this past weekend, again, and didn't quite "challenge" the old Lady as I had befor3e, the loads were a bit less crowded--rinsed better too.

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Post# 5879-9/28/2001-08:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS (KD-67 version)
MESSAGE: Yes, Mikey, you did have that down to the "proper" science to a "t". Then again, I would expect nothing less than that from you.

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Post# 5880-9/28/2001-08:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 56A (done) (KEEPER?)
MESSAGE: The space for Jason's dishwashers is more of a drive thru than a garage.

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Post# 5881-9/28/2001-08:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Someone mentioned looking for the words "Baja Espuma" on the box if you want low suds in a detergent marketed to the spanish speaking market.

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Post# 5882-9/28/2001-08:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Yes AD did come in a yellow box. I will ck the fluffy stuff. TT

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Post# 5883-9/28/2001-08:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Kindness of friends)
MESSAGE: I remember StaFlo and StaPuff, starch and fabric softener originally made by Staley which was a part of or related to something called Corn Products Company, but I don't think they were sponsors of the Corn Queen Contest which Greg can tell you about. A friend used to represent the company and would sometimes give us the softener. StaPuff was moderately expensive, pink and had a good smell. Then Texize introduced a competing product called Laundry Fluff, I think. It was pink, cheaper and did not smell quite as good to me. Both were very dilute and needed between 1/3 and 1/2 cup per load. We bought the stuff by the gallon and used a lot of it when my sister was a baby before we got the first dryer, my second big appliance victory. TT

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Post# 5884-9/28/2001-08:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Whirlpool Appliances (Belt-Drive Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Speak for yourself (and some others) but not me. They certainly had better turn over than a Maytag of the period, but no excitement and those awful neutral drains. TT

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Post# 5885-9/28/2001-08:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Corn Queen Sponsors)
MESSAGE: Ha! The sponsors were Banquet, Swanson and Orville Redenbacher - all food for the "corn-fed" contestants.

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Post# 5886-9/28/2001-08:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: We're off to see the Frigidaire Man
MESSAGE: Skyler and I are driving to north-central Missouri today for a wedding tomorrow afternoon. I started cold-calling appliance shops and service companies around the area and was given a couple of good propects to call on, including a retired Frigidaire service man that retired in 1985. He'd been servicing for 30 years and apparently still has a bunch of stuff around the "place" and a couple of washers and dryers in the shed. We'll be checking that out for sure - have an appointment this afternoon with him. Wish us luck!

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Post# 5887-9/28/2001-08:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: MW dryer
MESSAGE: Yes, a Her Majesty in gas. Had auto dry for regular and perma press with velvet heat, before Norge offered auto dry on their own line. With the Velvet Heat, at a certain temperature, the second gas valve took over lowering the input, to compete with Sears Soft Heat. This is still the sideswing door, has stop'n'dry, lint screen behind panel at floor level, lighted control panel with beautiful colors on it. And it's white. TT

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Post# 5888-9/28/2001-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Go For It)
MESSAGE: Angus, you should get all three just to play with. Don't plan on keeping any of them, but they will make great machines to practice on and take apart. Not to mention the fun you'll have in using them. Then when you find something better, you can always take these first arrivals to the dump.

Do you have a basement to hook these machines up and run them? Also do you have a way of transporting them to your house.

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Post# 5889-9/28/2001-08:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: The GE with the straight vane agitator does nothing but splash. No clothes movement. The little Maytag sounds cute. Probably close to dead if they got rid of it. Still, you can get parts. Don't expect much wash action.

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Post# 5890-9/28/2001-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: SteveD's Appliances (Frigidaire Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I didn't realize that Steve has a vintage Frigidaire dishwasher in his Kitchen. Steve if you have a chance could we get some closeup pictures of the dishwasher as well as your turquoise Frigidaire washer? Thanks in advance! They both should go in the Frigidaire Wing of the Museum which will be started soon.

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Post# 5891-9/28/2001-09:06 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone??
MESSAGE: BUT GEs are horrible water hogs. Only use if you can reuse water in another machine like sudssaving or recycling. If you ever get to take the top up on a GE you will see the huge outer tub and the little inner basket that holds the clothes. When they had a solid tub machine, the outer tub did not have to fill with water, but was large because the inner tub was suspended in such a way that it could swing around in the outer tub for out of balance spinning. When they went to the perforated tub, they kept the same suspension and water use soared. The agitation was a lot more vigorous in the V-12s than in the previous GEs and with the spiral ramp agitator they turned clothes over as well as around. But forget the straight vane agitators. TT

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Post# 5892-9/28/2001-09:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS (KD-67 version)
MESSAGE: This man is an engineer, a slightly manic one, but hey, that fits right in too. My hat is definitely off to you on this one, Mike the Magnificent.

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Post# 5893-9/28/2001-09:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Classic Blue Cheer)
MESSAGE: Punch, the S&M detergent

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Post# 5894-9/28/2001-09:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: No matter how many times I hae seen this - I am always amazed and entertained!!!

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Post# 5895-9/28/2001-09:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: Scott, perhaps you did not really study the mini basket as much as those other baskets walking around. LOL TT

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Post# 5896-9/28/2001-09:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What drug is this woman on!
MESSAGE: Funny - Norge also had a "semi automatic" washer around the time the "time line" automatics were popular. It looked and sounded exactly like Aunt Jennie's time line, but the control panel consisted of four buttons - Off, wash, rinse and spin. You filled it by hooking the fill hose to your sink faucet and filled it to your desired level and then worked the buttons as you needed. Of course, if you forgot the water, as my neighbor did many times you flooded your kitchen and your downstairs neighbor wasn't too happy either!. But you could wash or spin as long as you wanted.......

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Post# 5897-9/28/2001-09:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: Well, I still might get that "Americana model I saw at the "crusher". I could get over the water use problem - besides the 60's and 70's GE's were built like tanks - and they sounded so great when washing.................

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Post# 5898-9/28/2001-09:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Scott, this is the brand name of the generic compound Sodium Percarbonate, an oxygen bleach. The price for Oxy Clean is the real killer. I got a 10# bucket of the generic stuff from a chemical company in Florida for $16 which does not buy you much Oxy Clean at all. Of course, the freight is another matter, but it is a pretty dramatic bleach. Since I have been using it, I stopped using Shout or Pray & Wash. Have you seen the over the top ads for it on TV? TT

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Post# 5899-9/28/2001-09:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: I have tried it to remove a stain on a favorite shirt. One of the hazards of being a clothesline fiend is that occasionally Nature ( and birds also)deposits some funky stains on your things. I tried Lestoil, rust remover, clorox and nothing budged it. SO, I figured that Oxi Clean couldn't hurt - made a paste and rubbed it in and it got out the stains. Now, that said, I have tried adding some to my washes, but I don't see much difference overall. But I already use Calgon, Borax and yes, laundry bluing - so I don't think anything can else can improve my overall laundry results.

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Post# 5900-9/28/2001-09:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Corn Queen Sponsors)
MESSAGE: Greg, do you mean that the Corn Queen contestants looked like they would explode if stuck with a fork? Did the dresses fit like skin on bologna?

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Post# 5901-9/28/2001-09:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: TT - the Ariel sold in my local Hispanic markets comes in a plastic bag - and doesn't overtly say bajaespuma (sp??). It does however contain the picture on the back of the FL machine with the = sign and the words "Ariel bajaespuma" with a green stripe. Now for the unusual part. I opened this bag and used it this AM and had very little foaming - using 3/4 of the measuring scoop from Tide with Bleach powder. The water was appropriately slippery and my whites look terrific. Could the high vs.low suds designation have anything to do woth the package colors? Mine was trimmed with green - maybe that correlates with the green stripe on the back of the package - or am I off the deep end?????

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Post# 5902-9/28/2001-09:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Kindness of friends)
MESSAGE: Ah, memories..... I remember when Sta-Puf came in a glass gallon! My mother always incorrectly called it water softener, but we knew what she meant anyway!!

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Post# 5903-9/28/2001-09:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: We're off to see the Frigidaire Man
MESSAGE: SCORE!

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Post# 5904-9/28/2001-09:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (Go For It)
MESSAGE: Transportation is not an issue, but the basement space is.... well I know I can work something out....................

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Post# 5905-9/28/2001-09:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: ............."powered by the air you breathe, activated by the water you drink"!!

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Post# 5906-9/28/2001-10:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing
MESSAGE: I was all excited to see my 1-18 WIA in an advertisement... But then it dawned on me... A "locking lid"??? Oh MAN!!!

-ph

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Post# 5907-9/28/2001-10:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing
MESSAGE: Bingo Peter!!!! That's the dead give-away. That locking lid. I had the initial reaction until the "lock" line. Then I wretched!!!

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Post# 5908-9/28/2001-10:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: We're off to see the Frigidaire Man
MESSAGE: Oh don't I know to wish you luck. My heart is pounding already!!! Since my eyes are already crossed, I cross the fingers too LOL!

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Post# 5909-9/28/2001-10:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing (Pleny-o-Tears Forumla)
MESSAGE: This was the very first WCI-Frigidaire machine. I pick up this brochure (I believe it was in '80) the very first time I saw this new ruined Frigidaire piece of krap. The printer Frigidaire used to print this brochure must have used really good paper and ink, because the ink didn't run after having my tears dropped all over it.

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Post# 5910-9/28/2001-10:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing (What A Horror )
MESSAGE: The worst part of the whole thing was they tried to make them look the same. Lets try to get some real 1/18 pics.
Peter


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Post# 5911-9/28/2001-10:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Check the board archives)
MESSAGE: Your package says Baja Espuma or bajaespuma somewhere. I don't know what you mean about overtly, but if it says it and shows a FL, it is low sudsing. Glad it worked well. I might have to check out some of the mercados here. Was it more expensive than the regular? Anionic surfactants, which are low sudsing, are more expensive than inonic ones which produce more suds and good old American companies are quick to try to rip you off on HE detergents. There was a time in the 80s, when ALL was using soap to cut the sudsing of the detergent and that combined with the no phosphate formula soured me on All for all time. TT

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Post# 5912-9/28/2001-11:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (No tienemos muchas flavoras en los Estados Unidos)
MESSAGE: I don't think they import the baja espuma formula of Ariel. Now and then you can find the liquid Ariel -- smells like Gain -- but the different flavors shown at the P&G website have yet to be found in the ATL area.

If you have the baja espuma formula, then it should display/read prominently on the front of the bag. The little notice on the back of the bag just shows that if you have a FL, you should look for/purchase the baja espuma formula.

Desmasiado jabon hace mucha espuma!

-ph

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Post# 5913-9/28/2001-11:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (No tienemos muchas flavoras en los Estados Unidos)
MESSAGE: tambien un toro, pero el no requerie el jabon, solamente una vaca acommodada.

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Post# 5914-9/28/2001-12:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the KDS
MESSAGE: Thank you Bob for explaining,

Luigi

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Post# 5915-9/28/2001-12:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing (Pleny-o-Tears Forumla)
MESSAGE: Yes, this should be entitled the Washer Horror Picture Brochure

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Post# 5916-9/28/2001-12:32 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - wolf in sheeps clothing
MESSAGE: It is interesting to note that the dryer in this WCI-aire pair appears to still be GM design.

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Post# 5917-9/28/2001-13:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Mini-Basket)
MESSAGE: Sounds fascinating, quite an idea for the next convention!

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Post# 5918-9/28/2001-13:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: SteveD's Appliances
MESSAGE: Nice, very nice